Morbid - Episode 404: The Yorkshire Ripper Part 2

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

Part two of the Yorkshire Rippers, unfortunately, includes many many more murders and Peter Sutcliffe continuing to evade law enforcement. So many women had to lose their lives and still, Pet...er seemed untouchable. We also discuss the unbelievable way this case was handled in the press and how the victims were treated as well. Luckily, toward the end of this episode, you’ll hear that Peter started to lose it a bit, and made some stupid (but lucky for us) mistakes. Law enforcement would get a bit of a clue that led straight to Peter, but would it be enough to stop him in his tracks and arrest him right there on the spot? Well, you’re about to find out!Apple, R.W. 1981. "Truck driver in Britain confesses at his trial to killing 13 women." New York Times, April 30: A6.Byford, Lawrence. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper Case: Review of the Police Investigation of the Case. Evaluation, Inspector of the Constabulary , Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom, London: Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom.Cobb, Richard Charles. 2019. On the Trail of the Yorkshire Ripper: His Final Secrets Revealed. South Yorkshire: Pen and Sword Books.Cross, Roger. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper: the In-depth Study of a Killer and his Methods. New York, NY: Dell Publishing .Gazette News Services. 1981. "God's voice made me kill Yorkshire Ripper tells jury." The Gazette, May 12: 13.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, Prime members, you can listen to morbid, early, and ad-free on Amazon music. Download the app today. You're listening to Immorbid Network Podcast. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondries Podcast American Scandal. Our newest series looks at the Kids for Cash Scandal, a story about two judges who stood accused of making millions of dollars in a brazen scheme that shattered the lives of countless children Listen to American scandal on Amazon music or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey weirdos. I'm Alena and walking back to my microphone Oh, I was like what else are you doing? I was like you're just Alena and and I'm ash. Thank you
Starting point is 00:00:41 And this is morbid. I just like, I have to get out this complete thought. It's like this thing. It just, it'd be like that sometimes. It does. It is absolutely like that sometimes. It yells. I'm going to silly goofy mood. Silly goofy mood today.
Starting point is 00:01:25 Perhaps it's because I'm gonna bring you all down after that, by the way, but we might as well cruise on through with this light fluffy stuff in the beginning. Here I am, here we are. Here the light fluffy stuff sitting across from you is. I am gonna silly goofy mood because I got my Spotify wrap today and I love when that happens, it's just fun.
Starting point is 00:01:43 It is fun. It's fun, fun, fun. Even if sometimes it doesn't make total sense, sometimes you're like, where did that song go? Though, that I listened to about 100,000 times. Did you have that experience? I only have it with like a couple of things. Like I mean, like I think it's so surprised to know one
Starting point is 00:02:00 that my entire rap just goes to like a lot. They have a chokehold on my life. Your entire? The entire one, but I was more concerned about my top songs because Faith wasn't in there, and I listened to that song about 10 times a day. Also Mary and that was Mary and that on there? No, I wouldn't think Mary and that would be on there.
Starting point is 00:02:20 No, what about Faith? What about Austin's clock was on on there? Faith, absolutely. Monster and Skullship clock wasn't either, and that's one of my girl's favorite songs, so she makes me play it every single morning multiple times. And then she says,
Starting point is 00:02:32 Magium, she's so funny. Yeah, so that we were looking through our Spotify wrapped. Ash has one of the funniest descriptions. Oh, I have ever heard. So it says like what you start the day with, Ash has one of the funniest descriptions. Oh, I have ever heard. So it says like what you start the day with what the middle of your day is in the end.
Starting point is 00:02:51 And they give you like a vibe for each one. Yeah. You seized the day with intense poetic sad boy. Ha ha ha. Boy with an eye intense poetic sad boy. And you know what? Sometimes I am an intense poetic sad boyit-ex-sendboy. No, it described, Perf, I was like,
Starting point is 00:03:07 yeah. Your music is in 10-spoweit-ex-sendboy. Yeah, it is. It made me cackle. I was dying. Mine the morning started with spooky moody mayhem. Correct. Which I was like, wow, I've never been
Starting point is 00:03:20 to describe better in my life. No, to be quite honest. To be quite honest. I love it. In my middle of the day, I seized it with playful hardcore maim. She just may have all over the place. But then when it's bath time here at our house, it transitions into, I embrace the night because that's when I play music at the bath time.
Starting point is 00:03:39 Yeah. Theater kid, silly nostalgia. Theater kid, silly nostalgia. Wait, now I want to go and see what my beginning and end were. It's funny when you can tell to like, I like that they do those time of day ones because you know what you're doing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:55 So you're like, oh, that actually checks. That stuff, we're doing dinner time and we play music or we're doing bath time, we play music and it's usually like Silly Nostalgia. Dear Kid Nostalgia. Yeah, usually in the middle of the day, we play music, and it's usually like silly in her kid nostalgia. Yeah, usually in the middle of the day, I've had enough, and I'm an intense poetic satellite. Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:04:11 But I don't think it will surprise many people that my top artist was Harry Styles. No, I don't think that's present anyone. But we had some Mac, we had some Megan, Mrs. Stallion in there, we had Lizzo, and for the second year in a row, my girly girl, pretty spirits. Britney is always in there. Oh, if she is.
Starting point is 00:04:27 If she's not next year, like, I got to reevaluate. Yeah, you got to take a real step back. Yeah. I do want to point out because I think it's kind of a badge of honor here. Oh, you have. I know exactly what you're about to say. That I am in the top .05% of ghostless. Listener.
Starting point is 00:04:43 John said that Alina listens to ghost more than ghostless. And he is correct. I was in the top 2% of Harry listeners, which I found to be very surprising. That's intense. I felt geriatric at my concert, so I'm very surprised about that. I was just real. I was happy. 0.05.
Starting point is 00:05:02 Oh, shit. That's even wilder. Like it's point five is point zero five. Oh shit. That's even wilder. Like it's true. No, no, step back. That's like to no, no, no, no, zero five. Were you guys happy with your rap? Let us know.
Starting point is 00:05:15 Yeah, I've been, we've been seeing people tagging and like the podcast portion and all that. Yeah, I want to see who else is on the go strain with me because you guys like, you and we've been through this kind of. We've been bonding over this all of us together. Like I feel like I'm like, ooh, my friends who listen to ghosts. I love it.
Starting point is 00:05:31 So let me know, tag me in your shit. And there were so many people I saw that, like their lineups were all of the more but no more shows, which made me so fucking proud of all the little babies. And I saw so many people that had morbid and nighttime podcasts with Jordan and I was like, yeah, I'm so glad that you guys jumped on the Jordan train
Starting point is 00:05:54 with all of us. You should have been there long ago. And if you haven't, time to start your 10 to the year off with Jordan. Hell yeah. But yeah, so that was fun. That was lighthearted. I hope everybody's feeling good.
Starting point is 00:06:06 We're feeling like we want to listen to a jaunty song. Yeah, it's like you feel so good when you climb to the top of a hill, but then you realize you have to go all the way down. Yeah. That's kind of where I feel like we're at. That's where we are. We are in part two of the Yorkshire Ripper. This one's going to be, I mean, they're all tough, but this one's just gonna be like,
Starting point is 00:06:26 I'm sorry. I was actually thinking of, and oftentimes I like can block out what we've talked about during the day. Last night for some reason, I also slept like shit last night. I slept great last night. Are you told finally?
Starting point is 00:06:38 Which honestly, like you deserve first. Thank you. No problem. It's kids' an stomach bug, but, um, but yeah, no, I couldn't get this case out of my bad last night. Thank you. No problem. It's kids' an stomach bug. But, um, but yeah, no, I couldn't get this case out of my bad last night. It was. It's a tough one. And I also was looking further into it just take you're like getting some like an extraneous stuff. And I was looking into seeing that, um, there's been a lot of like the, and I'll get more into it later, but the police department actually apologized recently for the mishandling of this case.
Starting point is 00:07:06 And it's police officers and detectives that weren't on the case back then, but they are apologizing now on behalf because it is so mishandled. They talked to Peter Sutcliffe several times during the investigation. Yeah. Those descriptions that got put out, like I think we mentioned in the first one, a land rover and all that. He didn't have a land rover. And like, he does later in the first one, a Land Rover and all that, he didn't have a Land Rover. And like, he does later, which is weird,
Starting point is 00:07:28 but not when this was going on. Did somebody say he had like a red beard? Yeah, I was like red sideburns or something. It was like light hair at one point. Yeah. Black hair. And they just kind of like went with every single one and shot it out into the ether. And it's like, you really got to take a step back and do this.
Starting point is 00:07:44 Like, calculated and they didn't. And it's like, you really got to take a step back and do this, like, calculated and they didn't. And I guess also a lot of the senior detectives at the time and a lot of the senior officers really were shitty to the victim's families as well, like the way they talked to them, the way they talked about them, like as we'll see in this, there was a very big innocence and not innocence in this case. Okay. Where it was a sex worker. Well, you know, that happens.
Starting point is 00:08:11 But then if it happened to be one where nobody really knows if he came out later and said if he did kill somebody who wasn't a sex worker, it was an accident. No, it wasn't. Europe, he's a human. I don't think it was. I think he just hated women. Yeah. And it's like, I think that was his way of trying to go with the attitude of the time, which was, well, I thought she was a sex worker, guys. That's right. That's fine. Yep.
Starting point is 00:08:34 So it's like they would, they would basically be like, you know, yeah, these sex workers were killed, like in the press. And the police would talk about it this way. These sex workers were killed. But you know, these innocent girls were killed too. And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, like human beings across the board, many of the mothers of several children, like, are you fucking kidding me talking about them that way? It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:08:55 And it's sad that it's not that different than at these days, like it's really not. But it was nice to see that at least, like, there was an apology that came out after the fact when it was people who weren't originally on the case and they weren't like being like, you know, I'm sorry, I said that. They were just saying like, you know, that doesn't reflect who we are now. Yeah, recognition. And at least there's that. But the family's really had to go through a lot of shit. And they really had to deal with a lot of like really
Starting point is 00:09:18 big disrespect and really like non-shallance for their loved ones. And it's really fucked up. These murders are horrible. And the sad thing is, too, it's like, these families had clearly already gone through a lot. Yeah, that's the thing. Like a lot of these women were in desperate times, which called for desperate measures, going through a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 00:09:38 That's why they turned to sex work to begin with. It's just sad. It really is. It's sad all around. And it very is very much reminiscent of the original, the Jack the Ripper case, where the press kind of treated them like that too. And they were just kind of talked about as like these throw away, you know, less than victims. It's, I don't understand how you can look at anybody and feel like, well, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:10:01 Like how do you look at someone and not just think like, oh my God, that poor human. Because of what they do for work. Right. And it's like, that's not my business. Not at all. Not my business, as long as you're not hurting anybody, it's not my fucking business. Oh, like, oh, it just makes me crazy.
Starting point is 00:10:16 Makes me crazy, you know? Absolutely. But here we are. We ended on a survival tale, I believe, or we at least tried to last time. Yep. I'm gonna start on a survival tale, I believe, or we at least tried to last time. I'm going to start on a murder and there's going to be a lot more murder after this. He got a lot of women. These are really tough, they're graphic, he did terrible things just to put it out there
Starting point is 00:10:40 ahead of time. Also this series is probably going to be four parts. I'm sure the fourth part won't be as long as the first three, but I don't wanna crunch a bunch into the third part. And instead, I'd rather it take the time for each victim. I told you did. So I'm happy that it's four parts. Yeah, so it's necessary that fourth part is probably gonna be a little shorter
Starting point is 00:11:02 and maybe more discussion base, but then we'll close it out and on to a next true crime tale. I know you so much. But you do. So we're going to start where in 1977 at this point, and 28-year-old Irene Richardson was a single mother of two children. She had gone through a real time by February 1977. Her kids had been temporarily placed in foster care, and she had turned to sex when it worked
Starting point is 00:11:28 to make ends meet. She was staying in a rooming house in a very bad part of Chapel Town, or Chapel Town, excuse me, which was akin to the kind of the white chapel of the 70s a little bit. On February 5th, she left the rooming house a little before midnight, and she told her landlady that she was going to the Tiffany's Club in Leeds. While Irene was out that evening, so was Peter Sutcliffe. He was doing his usual haunting of the red light district near Gayity Theatre where he murdered Wilma McCann.
Starting point is 00:11:58 He noticed Irene and immediately asked her, are you working tonight? She agreed to get in the car and they began to look for a place with a little more privacy. And Peter told her he had a place and drove her to Rounday Park. Irene got out of the car and told Peter she had to go to the bathroom.
Starting point is 00:12:17 This seems to be a very like, he goes through a very similar pattern each time. There were no, there were public restrooms there, but they were locked, so she ended up having to go behind a bush. And it was then when she was in a vulnerable position with her back turned to him that he snuck up behind her and hit her with a ball-peen hammer in the top of the head. That's the thing that I just can't get over.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Yeah. The hammer. Yeah, you got to really take that and like digest it for a minute. On the morning of February 6, 1977, 47-year-old John Bolton was out for an early morning jog in Roundtay Park. Suddenly he saw someone, something that no one wants to stumble upon, he saw a body lying in the grass. He immediately thought it was a woman who needed help, maybe had passed out or hurt herself, so he ran up to her and said, can I help you, Miss? And like, he moved her hair to the side because she was
Starting point is 00:13:10 kind of laying face down or to honor side of it. And that's when he saw that her face and neck were covered in blood and her eyes were completely glazed and fixed. He called 999 and detective Jim Jim Hobson and David Ghee arrived on the scene. It was quickly noted that she had suffered a massive fracture of the skull by three blows from the hammer. One of the wounds was so bad that the skull had actually broken and been driven into her brain. Hobson also immediately connected the scene to the others luckily. She was lying face down and when they moved her head, they saw that also her throat had been slit and had been stabbed in the side as well. Her skirt
Starting point is 00:13:51 had been pulled up over her abdomen and she was stabbed three more times in the stomach. This time escalation had occurred with the stab wounds being more like slash marks. Oh yeah. He had ripped her stomach open to the point of her intestines coming out. Wow. So he is like really starting to escalate here. And he is just so angry. Like these wounds are so rage-filled, it's so scary. Like he just frenzy stabs these women.
Starting point is 00:14:22 Like in a frenzy. Her coat had been draped over her legs and under it, he had placed her brown boots across her thighs. That's the other thing. He like arranges them in weird ways that don't actually mean anything. Yeah. It's weird.
Starting point is 00:14:36 And he likes to leave them exposed as well. Of course, yeah. Like he loves to do that. Cause he thinks he's clever. The scene revealed tire marks at the body and then leading away from it. And they were able to tell that these came from a mid-size sedan or smaller vehicle.
Starting point is 00:14:50 So not a land Rover. Not a land Rover. They brought these impressions to tire manufacturers and ended up having to work from a list of 26 possible vehicle matches, like brand matches. And these matched 100,000 cars registered in West Yorkshire. Damn. Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondery's podcast American scandal. We bring to life some of
Starting point is 00:15:21 the biggest controversies in US history, presidential lies, environmental disasters, corporate fraud. In our newest series, we look at the Kids for Cash scandal, a story about corruption inside America's system of juvenile justice. In Northeastern Pennsylvania, residents had begun noticing an alarming trend. Children were being sent away to jail in high numbers, and often for committing only minor offenses. The FBI began looking at two local judges, and when the full picture emerged, it made national headlines.
Starting point is 00:15:51 The judges were earning a fortune, carrying out a brazen criminal scheme, one that would shatter the lives of countless children, and force a heated debate about punishment and America's criminal justice system. Follow American scandal wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen ad free on the Amazon music or wonder app. So they went hard at first and they were checking going down the list. They were hitting every person. Good for that. That these cars like matched. Mums were going by. They're going, going, going, going. No one's hitting, nothing's going. So come July, five months after they started this task,
Starting point is 00:16:31 they abandoned it with 20,000 cars left unchecked. Guess whose white co-sare was one of those 20,000 that was left unchecked. Of course, it's also like, I'm sorry, how many do you say there's 100,000 cars? You got more than halfway through, and we're just like, eh, fuck it, I'm sorry, how many? You said there's a hundred thousand cars. You got more than halfway through and we're just like, eh, fuck it. You had 20,000 left.
Starting point is 00:16:48 Just finish it out, man. Also, did none of you have any kind of type A personality where that would drive you absolutely mad? That's what I was thinking. I am so stressed out for them, thinking of having 20,000 lingering out of a hundred. I'm like, no, you got to hit that. I don't know what it is about me because I don't really think I'm type A, but that would
Starting point is 00:17:12 that would make me crazy. That would be insane. Yeah. And that's and this thing that they sat there as detectives and said, yeah, we have 20,000 left. And no one said, yeah, and one of those might be him. One of those might be him. That, well, that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:17:28 Wait, when he thousand, it would have been, like, way less people would have had to die, clearly. Yeah, there's a good chance out of 20,000 people that he is in there. Like, that's not a small number. No. What the fuck are you doing? It's just like, put a rookie on that.
Starting point is 00:17:42 Yeah. Put an intern on that. Just get a couple officers to just do that round the clock. You'll get it done like, come on. Exactly. Who made the, like how do you just sit there like and bring that to the top and they're like, yeah, just forget it, just imagine the chain of commands there.
Starting point is 00:17:57 It's like you narrowed it down and then you just fuck the whole thing up. Yeah. You could have narrowed it so much further. That's just, it makes no sense. It's not old. It's, and I can't believe that like out of those 20,000 lots of the ones that they hadn't checked.
Starting point is 00:18:11 Makes sense. It's like, oh, and he was on the list. It was right there. Right. But it's the first of many times that he is right there. And he just gets away. Yeah. Oh, so and on top, he was de-conducted. And David G noted that the time of death was very close to midnight, so it was very close to when she had left. And she had been killed by one of the blows to that ad-kilter. There were no drugs and no alcohol in her system. Hobbson went back and told everyone about the connections to other cases and no one
Starting point is 00:18:40 agreed. So Hobbson goes back to the force and is like, guys, there's clear connections here between those attacks, between the murders of, you know, the Jackson-Marty, the McCann-Marty. You've also found how many people next to bushes at this point. And it's like with the rest of them. Yeah, like, like, hammer and stab wounds. And like exposed, like what? What doesn't ring here? And it's like, and they were like nah, like that's wild to me. They didn't even make any public statement.
Starting point is 00:19:10 That's just I think nothing not wanting to work. Not caring. Yeah, that's just like not giving it. Yeah, that's not your loss. They didn't care. That's so fucked up. So unfortunately, he was allowed to continue his reign of terror with even more confidence
Starting point is 00:19:23 because look, he got away with it again. And so it was massive. And so it was massive. Mm-hmm. By April 1977, sex workers in the area were on edge to say the least. Yeah. Just like Jack the Ripper.
Starting point is 00:19:37 They were like shit. Something's going on. It was clear that someone was coming into their territory and dispatching them in the most brutal ways possible. It also reminds me of the Hellside Stranglers. Yeah, and there was purpose here, and the police were not connecting things quick enough. And they could tell, they knew this,
Starting point is 00:19:54 and they were like, what do we do? We're helpless. So the investigators did hand out papers with the killer's description on it, but we're talking about the description with the land rover and the scars on the hands and all that. Yeah, yeah. And where did the scars on the hands come from?
Starting point is 00:20:09 Whoever that person was that they saw, whatever that description was, that was someone else. That was someone with scars on their hands and with that. Because I was like, what? He did have cut little scars on his hands, but they said it was not something you would be able to see or tell him by. Yeah, and the way they described the but they said it was not something you would be able to see or like tell him by.
Starting point is 00:20:27 Yeah. And the way they described the scar was that it was like a long, big scar. Yeah, weird. But they put numbers on these papers and pamphlets and, you know, they had billboards with information and the things on the side of Vans that were like, call these numbers with more information. I imagine this gave him kind of even more of a boost considering they hadn't caught him yet.
Starting point is 00:20:47 And he was freely trolling without consequence all while he could watch the entire area of leads and beyond shaking in their boots. And he knows that's not my description. They're putting out, that's not me. But everyone's shitting their pants and looking at everybody going crazy and I can walk freely through this. There's no one here. No one's looking at me. And no one will even look not me. Right. But everyone's shitting their pants and looking at everybody going crazy and I can walk freely down here.
Starting point is 00:21:05 No one's looking at me. I know and we'll even look at me. It's so frustrating. It's very, again, I know I keep saying this. It's very reminiscent of Jack the Ripper, which is why the press now dubbed him officially the Leeds Ripper. This is when that came out. So in fact, one newspaper went as far to write this and it is so... It's just foul, how people are talking about this case.
Starting point is 00:21:28 But I think it's important to say because you need to know the context. One of the newspapers, the cross, and from 1981 actually wrote, cuts them open, pulls their insides out, even cuts their tits off. Jesus Christ! Which he didn't. So that's also a lie. But yeah. But I was like, what about this?
Starting point is 00:21:48 What a like, what a foul way to talk about someone. That's disgusting. About like a human being and also about like a mother. Right. Like, okay, just anyone. Yeah. Oh, no, around this time, Sonia, his wife was receiving her diploma. Oh my God. Yeah, he's married. Yeah, forgot about that. Oh, yeah, was receiving her diploma. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Yeah, he's married. Yeah, forgot about that. Oh, yeah, he has a whole last wife at home. Now Sonia was receiving her diploma, her teaching diploma. She was just doing her shit, which she was just doing her thing. Finally becoming a teacher in the summer, and they had saved a lot of money to move into a home of their own. So everything with them seemed like it was on the up and up. They were going to look for a home, but that's also because Peter
Starting point is 00:22:28 was satisfying another side of him that no one knew about. So things with them were just fine. He was getting everything he wants. So Patricia, also known as Tina Atkinson, was living in an apartment on Oak Avenue in Bradford. Her husband had left and taken their three kids some time before, and she had also turned to sex work just to make ends meet. She, like everyone else, had read the recent attacks and murders in the area, but she was thinking that she was probably safe, because although she was in sex work, she took her clients back to her apartment and didn't do her work on the streets.
Starting point is 00:23:06 So she was like, that's different. That's a little less risky. I'm in a controlled environment. He's never killed someone in a place before. He does it outside. He does it on the streets in parks. She's convincing herself that she can still make money, basically. That's just me out,
Starting point is 00:23:22 because that's even more secluded. But he's never done it before. So it's a new deviation. I can see where her head was up. But by the time April, 1977, had rolled around, she was running short on funds and she needed to make some money ASAP.
Starting point is 00:23:37 So because she had been hesitant to go back out. She had saved up money. So she was kind of taken her time, being like, you know what, I'm not gonna dip into this anymore, but she was running low and she literally had, out of desperation, had to risk it. It was gonna say desperate times call for desperate measures.
Starting point is 00:23:51 So on April 23rd, she went down to the car liel to see if she could find any new potential clients. Around 10, 15 PM, the bartenders there said that they remember her saying good night, and then they watched her quote stagger towards the door. Other people in the bar that night remembered seeing her at this time too, and also saw her walking toward Church Street, a little before 11 pm. All of them said she appeared to be pretty drunk. Okay. Now at the same time, Peter was on his bullshit, and he spotted Tina walking toward Church Street at this time.
Starting point is 00:24:25 He eventually saw her standing on the corner of St. Paul's Road. And according to Peter, she was visibly drunk. He said she was screaming of seen things and banging on the roof of the car. I doubt it. The other thing that I want to point out too is that all these people are like, oh, she was drunk.
Starting point is 00:24:40 She was staggering. She was this. She was that you don't think you'd have to get drunk to do that kind of work. Exactly. She doesn't want to be there. And I think honestly, I think the bartenders and stuff weren't being like, oh, she was drunk.
Starting point is 00:24:51 I think they were literally like, she was vulnerable. Yeah, like she staggered at it. But even then being like, she was beledrable. Oh, she definitely was. You know what I mean? Yeah, I would definitely say, he is using that kind of judgment on her being like, she was drunk. In fact, he said later, it was obvious why I picked her up.
Starting point is 00:25:09 No decent woman would have used that language. To which I say fuck you. Yeah. Fuck you, sir. So he asked her if she wanted a ride and she accepted and they started making their way to her apartment in his Ford course, Courser. Courser, I don't know what I can say that. And she offered her services as well, or him, her services as well.
Starting point is 00:25:31 They made a deal and they went to Tina's apartment. When they got there, Tina went over to the windows and closed the curtains while Peter hung up his coat. And as he did that, he slipped the ball peen hammer from his pocket. Tina sat on her bed and removed her own coat. As she sat down, she turned her back briefly to Peter. That's all he needed. He took that ball-pean hammer that he slid
Starting point is 00:25:52 from his coat pocket and he quickly hit her in the back of the head with it. She fell to the floor and he hit her in the head and face as hard as he could with the hammer a second time, then a third and then a fourth. Oh my God. Then he picked her up off the floor and placed her back on the bed. This is very graphic just so you know.
Starting point is 00:26:12 And pulled her pants and underwear down. He for some reason attempted to pull them back up before he left that night. Nobody can really understand that one. He wasn't able to very much, but it was clear that he had tried to. Weird that he very weird. Do the. Yeah. I don't know if it was just like a weird position, but it was clear that he had tried to. Weird, but he very weird. Do you do that? Yeah, I don't know if it was just like a weird position, but he also pulled her bra up to expose her chest.
Starting point is 00:26:31 He then stabbed her six times in the stomach and covered her body with blankets and left the apartment. The next day, Tina's friend Robert had decided to pay her a visit around 6.30 pm. So he knocked on the door, no one was answering, and he thought this was weird because it was a Sunday, and she was always home on Sundays, and she made it a point not to work on Sundays either. So he was hoping to just hang out.
Starting point is 00:26:55 Yeah. So he was like, this is weird. He keeps knocking, no answer, and then he said, besides to try the door, and it was unlocked. And he was like, that's weird, it was some kind of feeling. Yeah, so he slowly opened it and he went inside
Starting point is 00:27:06 and he was met with chilling silence, he said. And as he made his way to the bedroom, he saw Tina alone on the bed and a massive pool of blood that was also all over the floor. Most of her body was covered in blankets, but one side of her face was very visible and very bloody. Robert ran to the apartment manager and he shouted for him ran to the apartment manager and he
Starting point is 00:27:25 shouted for him to call the police. DCS Demile, I believe it's pronounced, and I'm sorry if I'm not pronouncing that right, Detective Chief Superintendent. From the Western crime area was called in to lead the investigation. And David Guy, of course, acted as a pathologist on this case. When he arrived at the scene, Ge looked at the body, he examined her on the bed and was able to say that she sustained four massive blows to the head, and that her face was almost unrecognizable. He was able to note the weird underwear and pants thing too. He was like, I don't know why he did that.
Starting point is 00:28:02 And the stab wounds. And he also found scrapes and scratches all over, which he theorized were unsuccessful attempts to stab the body. So she was like, right. She was moving. And also he was like, she didn't use a knife. Huh. Like so some of these were he went to stab and it just didn't go through. And what was he stabbing with? Do you think? Well, Tina's body was brought to the Emmy office and they determined one that her blood alcohol level showed that she had drank that evening. And she had not been raped. They looked further at the stab in scrap wounds and they determined the weapon was a half inch wide chisel. What? He used a chisel to stab her. What? Like, if you look up a chisel,
Starting point is 00:28:45 a half inch wide chisel. I don't even know if I know what a chisel is. Look it up. I was with you. Now it makes a lot more sense in what the fuck got. A chisel? Like that is,
Starting point is 00:28:55 is that what you used to like, like chisel? Like chisel stuff. You're thinking of a nice pick. No, like a chisel would be like, oh, shit. Like you would use a hammer and chisel too. I'm sorry, how wide did you say? A half inch wide chisel would be like to shit. Like you would use a hammer and chisel to it. I'm sorry, how wide did you say it?
Starting point is 00:29:05 A half inch wide chisel. Oh my God. So it would be like, it would be like this one. Oh my God. Yeah, guys, look it up because it's like you need to get a full grasp of how fucked up and how brutal this was. That's insane.
Starting point is 00:29:21 And that's why those scrapes and like a attempts at stabbing make sense because a chisel is not meant to stab into human flesh. It's really fucked up. Finally the cause of death was definitely one of the four blows to the head and they believe the time of death was around midnight. So the only thing we can say here is that at least she didn't, it wasn't alive. She couldn't feel. She couldn't feel them. She couldn't feel them.
Starting point is 00:29:46 Thank goodness. While the autopsy was taking place, investigators were searching her apartment. And thankfully, they did find something a little useful. They found a size seven Wellington boot print on the bed sheet. A light sound familiar. There was also a size seven Wellington boot print
Starting point is 00:30:04 found at the Emily Jackson Crane. I was gonna say, I remember that. On her thigh. Yep. And on the ground. Yep. So leads were still completely elusive at this point. Like that was a good piece of evidence,
Starting point is 00:30:15 but like what do you do with it? Right. And even evidence, you know, even getting any evidence was really not happening. That was it. Like there was no DNA happening here. There was no fingerprints they could find. And a footprint is so difficult because it's like how many of those boots are made
Starting point is 00:30:31 in here. Are those a specific kind? How many people wear those? All it's really going to do for you right now is to connect those crime scenes. And then if you were to get a lead, you could compare that to their foot. But at this point, you don't even have a lead. so it's like, it's just, it's just there. And also Tina usually took cabs around. That was her method of travel.
Starting point is 00:30:53 So they ended up interviewing 1200 cab drivers. Oh, Laura. Still nothing. No information. No information. A cab driver. Did he? I'm sorry, did he have a job at this point?
Starting point is 00:31:02 Yeah, he was a Laurie driver. Oh, he was taking a driving lessons to become a truck driver. I'm sorry, did he have a job at this point? Yeah, he was a Laurie driver. Oh, he was taking a driving lessons for to become a truck driver. Yeah. I'm like, what did he do again? Yeah. This would be the crime scene that I would worry they wouldn't connect to the rest of the scenes because of the location. Like, when I first read this, I think they're not gonna connect this. They did luckily. That's good. Do you think they would have connected the scenes? Had it not been for the boot print? I don't know.
Starting point is 00:31:49 I feel like they might have. I think he was immediately like something's ring in. Oh, okay. It was that the hammer, I think, is starting to ring true to them finally that this is a strange object to use as a weapon. The media was really picking this up and the stories were being broadcast everywhere around and they were being talked about by a lot of people. It was huge news. Now, because of this, tips were beginning to come in. And it was at this time a sex worker from Leeds named Barbara Miller came forward and said she had actually been attacked herself,
Starting point is 00:32:20 but didn't report it. And she had been attacked March of 1975 in Leeds. She said she was picked up by a quote, 35 to 40 year old bearded man with a scarred hand, driving a land Rover, and that he had brutally and violently attacked her. Okay. Now that description may sound familiar because it's very similar to the description given by witnesses at Gady in the Jackson case. Right. With this in mind, Domali put out a special notice on May 9th saying that Tina's murder was connected to the others, and they put that similar description out again. Peter Sutcliffe was not a suspect at this point.
Starting point is 00:32:57 He wasn't even a person of interest. People didn't even know who existed. The description wasn't going to help because that wasn't him. No. He didn't know Nolander over at the time. He didn't have a big scar on his him. He didn't know No Land Rover at the time. He didn't have a big scar on his hands. I don't know who that guy is. I was gonna say clearly there's another fella
Starting point is 00:33:11 who's armed and dangerous. Unless Shabarbara had heard that original description and been attacked, maybe it had gotten her head or who knows. Now in 1977, Sonia, Peter's wife had earned finally her teaching certificate officially. She was teaching part-time. She got a job. This allowed them to finally, finally be able to get a house on Saturday. What does that mean? On Saturday, June 26, 1977, Sonya and Peter viewed a house on Garden Lane in the Heaton neighborhood
Starting point is 00:33:45 of Bradford. Sonia was in love with it. This was the house for her. This moment in Peter's life, finding his dream home with his young wife was happening on the same day as one of his most talked about crimes. Really? Yeah. Now, we're going to talk about that crime right now.
Starting point is 00:34:04 Sutliff was already causing a lot of waves in the news and around the area that he was haunting for sure. But by 1977, he had killed four women at least and attacked another five, which were definitely failed attempts at murder for the most part. People were very on edge, very scared. It was the fact that he was so elusive that was really bothering everyone and no leads or evidence was becoming a thing where people were like, what's going on here? Why aren't the police getting anything? His next crime would be the one that would catapult him into international news. It was not a big news internationally right now.
Starting point is 00:34:40 Like it was really just talked about in the area. This is the one that we would hear about over here. Is there a reason for that? Yes. Jane McDonald was a 16 year old girl who was living with her family on Scott Hall Avenue and leads. 16 years old. She was happy, she was smart, she was loved.
Starting point is 00:34:58 If you Google a picture of her, she was beautiful, she looked just so sweet, she excelled at school, she worked hard at everything she did. She had a lot of friends. She was very close to her parents, especially her father. She also held down a job at the shoe department and a leads department store.
Starting point is 00:35:16 And her father would later said, quote, she was almost bursting with optimism in the sheer joy of life. Of course, she's 16 years old. Now in Saturday, June 26, 1977, remember, Sonia and Peter had found their dream home that day. At the same time, on that same day, Jane was set out to go dancing with some of her friends.
Starting point is 00:35:36 She was wearing a blue and white gingham skirt and left the house with a kiss for her father like she always did. She was beautiful. She really was. You look at all of these women, like if you look at a big list of these women, they're all beautiful.
Starting point is 00:35:50 Yeah. And when you look at them, you're like, you had so much life in there, like all of them. And then you look at the 16 year old and you're like, you had your whole life ahead of you. I have your life. So she went off after giving her data kiss
Starting point is 00:36:04 and saying, I'll be back later. She went off and met friends at Hofbrah House, I think it's called, which was a German beer hall kind of place in Leeds. There were drinks and dancing and live music and they had fun there until about 10.30 PM. When she and a friend, Mark Jones, decided to get some fish and chips at a nearby restaurant. Sounds good. They went and had a nice time together. They sat and chatted, but she realized that she missed the last bus home.
Starting point is 00:36:30 Oh, no. She was too late. So around midnight, Mark and Jane began to walk back to Mark's house, because Mark was like, my sister will be home. She can drive you home for Mark's house. So when they get to Mark's, his sister wasn't home. So they just kind of hung around seeing if she would get home. And they both lay in a field together for about 45 minutes, just like talking,
Starting point is 00:36:51 just being adorable, like 16 year olds who liked each other kind of thing. And she walked back. Probably having like the best meet. It was like a great evening. I know. The boy you like, you get more time with him because the sister's not home. And you broke off and went to this restaurant together and like it's so exciting. Yeah, like she had everything going.
Starting point is 00:37:11 So after the 45 minutes, she walked, uh, mark back to the main gate at a St. James hospital where they've said their goodbyes because I was where he lived near where he lived. And they made plans to meet up again next Wednesday. They were going to go on another date. During the same evening, Peter Sutcliffe had gone from looking at the home, Sonia, and he wanted to buy to dropping her off at work and then going out drinking in Bradford with his neighbor, Ronald Barker, and his brother.
Starting point is 00:37:40 They were hoping from pub to pub, and then around 1 a.m. He dropped the brothers off at their home, and he went back out to troll around Leeds in Chappleton and Rounday Park. It was a little before 2am that Peter saw Jane walking alone on her way home. He just watched her from his car for a bit, and then he parked in a hotel parking lot. He got his hammer and a kitchen knife, and he followed her on foot. Apparently, the street lights on Reginald Road where she had gone, where she was walking on, they go out at 11.30, so it was pitch black.
Starting point is 00:38:13 Oh, why would they go out at 11.30? I don't know, but she never saw him coming as he crept up behind her. She was passing by a children's playground. And he struck her in the back of the head with the hammer. She immediately fell to the ground and he continued to hit her with it. He then dragged her toward the playground where he hit her at least two more times in the head
Starting point is 00:38:34 and then pulled up her blouse and stabbed her over and over through the same wound in her chest. Oh my God. Unfortunately, according to the pathologist later, he determined Jane was still alive when Peter left her thinking that she was dead. Oh my God. Unfortunately, according to the pathologist later, he determined Jane was still alive when Peter left her thinking that she was dead. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:38:51 It was 9.45 the next morning that two children on their way into the playground between Reginald Street and Reginald Terrace found Jane lying face down by the playground wall. Her coat was pulled up around her shoulders and her skirt was pulled up. Her black stockings were torn up. It was blood leading to the entrance of the playground where he had dragged her. A closer look revealed the head wounds, a stab wound to her back and the horrific stab wounds to her chest. This murder was different because she was
Starting point is 00:39:21 much younger. Yeah. And she wasn't a sex worker. Sutcliffe would later say he thought she was because she was in an area known to be traveled by sex workers at that time of night. And he only realized he was wrong as he was attacking her. And he couldn't stop then. I don't even know what to say. I think he's a bullshitter. I think he's an absolute liar.
Starting point is 00:39:45 He did the whole, I was on a mission to kill sex workers and God told me to do it thing. He did that whole defense of like, I was doing that. And he admitted that he killed a 16 year old girl just because he wanted to. He would lose that defense. That God made me do it because I'm supposed to kill sex workers.
Starting point is 00:40:04 And he also wouldn't do very well in prison. And it's like, and he knows that the attitude at the time, unfortunately, the reality of the attitude at the time was people looked at sex workers differently, and he knew that. So he had to claim that he thought every one of these women were sex workers because he would never just kill a woman. And it's like, are you fucking kidding me? It's like so people that live in that area and are walking those streets. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:30 All sex workers. Oh, okay. And it's like, we see through you, you pee shits. It's like, we see through you hate women. You're a murderer. Like you're not on a mission. You're a murderer. And you're murdering women because you hate women.
Starting point is 00:40:43 And this girl looks 16. He realized she was 16. Even if she was a sex worker, you see a 16 year old girl and you don't think like if she is what got her here, my god, like, exactly. Human empathy. How do you, I just like clearly something happens in these brains where it just is like, was like, like, the lights out.
Starting point is 00:41:04 So this is really sad too. James family suffered immensely after this. Obviously her father especially felt the loss. They were very close. Yeah, and he was the last one to see her too. He developed, he actually developed, quote, nervous asthma, had been unable to work and simply lost to the will to live. And just 28 months after Jane was murdered, Wilfred McDonald died.
Starting point is 00:41:30 And his wife said, killed by a broken heart. Absolutely. I totally believe in that. Destroyed me. Like reading, I don't know how, like I don't know how you don't die of a broken heart. I really don't. It's so sad. And if you don't, of a broken heart. I really don't. It's so sad. And if you don't, you're just in hell on earth.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Exactly. So it's like there's, I, oh, I just want to like reach out and just like hug these people too. And even like Wilma McCann's son Richard. Yeah. And like, because she had like four kids, I believe it was, three or four kids.
Starting point is 00:41:59 Like she was one of, she was the first murder. And the way the press treated her, he came out later and was like, it's fucking awful. It's disgusting. That was my mother. Exactly. Like who gives a shit what she did for it? Like that's my mother.
Starting point is 00:42:11 Right. And it's like, what the fuck? It's also none of your fucking business, how people make their money. Exactly. Nobody gives a shit about your opinion about that one. Do you have food in your refrigerator? Are your bills paid?
Starting point is 00:42:19 Yeah. Then shut the fuck up. Then shut the fuck up and let people live. If they're not hurting anybody, Right. Then let them do what they have to do. It's Exactly. It's so weird that we all think that we can have some kind of judgment on what other people do and what they, you know, it's like so Weird that a society we do that shit. If you're okay and like you're not hurting someone. I don't care
Starting point is 00:42:42 Yeah, if you're not hurting yourself or anyone else. Exactly. Then who am I to tell you you can't do it? No. It's just so wild to me. And I think we are all brought up. It's so ingrained and conditioned to almost automatically judge and want to give an opinion. Well, because you have to break out of that as you evolve.
Starting point is 00:43:03 It's part of becoming a better adult and a better human. People don't want to do the work, you have to break out of that as you evolve. Like it's part of becoming a better adult and a better human. People don't want to do the work though to break the cycle or people don't have access to the tools to break the cycle. Because like, yeah, you know, it's, it really is generational trauma and generational baggage. Yeah, generational bullshit. It is. But it's like, you got to look at it and be like, I need to change this. Yeah. Because we've all done it. We've all judged people harshly.
Starting point is 00:43:28 We've all put an opinion on something that we have no fucking business putting an opinion on. But you have to learn from all of us. But it's like learn. Just decide, you know what, that's not my fucking business. Yeah. I'm out here. I'm gonna do what I'm doing as long as you're okay
Starting point is 00:43:42 and you're happy and you're not hurting anyone. And get it it girl. Like that's all the manners. It's just such a happier way to live. That's the other thing, why? There's so many bum out things in the world to hear about every day. If you're annoyed by people
Starting point is 00:43:56 and you're judging people constantly, I don't know why you're adding that to your lips. Truly, it's like that's not helpful. It's like yeah, we can all key key from time to time and we'll judge you, but. Of course, but like, come on. Yeah. And especially in these kind of cases,
Starting point is 00:44:08 like my God, these are human beings. Like, they have entire lives, and people who loved them, depended on them, yeah, would have done anything to have them back. You also don't know them from a fucking hole in the wall. That's the other thing. Mind your business. Like, all we know of these women are what we can find, what we can research about.
Starting point is 00:44:30 The people who know them are the people who they gave a kiss to at the end of the night, but they tucked into their bed. The people who raised them, the people who worked with them, the people who were there with them. The people who are here doing this so that they could keep a roof over their head. Yeah, like children's head. Those are the people who know there with them. They're doing this so that they could keep a roof over their head. Yeah, like children's head. Those are the people who know who they are. It's like really shitty to kind of display them
Starting point is 00:44:50 as like subhuman. And to take that away, like to take away all the things they were and narrow it down to one thing about them. Just one little pinpoint. It's just really fucked up. And all right, so this goes right at the dovetails nicely into this because this is when the case became international news.
Starting point is 00:45:07 It was the distinction between what they were referring to as an innocent victim and the not innocent victims. That's when the world took notice. That's when the language around the crimes changed and the headlines became less salacious, less colds. That's it put every woman on alert at this point because before it was, we thought it was just sex workers now, it's everybody, nobody's safe. Even before it also wasn't. Yeah, exactly, but that's how they were portraying it. The way the media presented it, it was that they were
Starting point is 00:45:38 out looking for clients and if you weren't doing that, then you were okay. Yeah, it's your fault. That's how they presented it. The murder of Jane McDonald showed that it was just women that he was after. Just women existing passed a certain time of night when he deemed it inappropriate for you to be existing. Like I can't be outside it. That's all it was. It's ridiculous.
Starting point is 00:45:57 So the investigation ratcheted up a notch as well because now we have an innocent. Victim quote unquote. Which I'm not saying Jane wasn't an innocent victim. No, of course I'm saying the other ones were also innocent victims. Anybody murdered is usually pretty innocent. We have a handful of innocent victims now.
Starting point is 00:46:13 We don't just have one. And now the entire world is watching. It's not just across the pond. It's now over here we're watching as well. And people in the area are finally becoming, like they're paying attention and they're scrutinizing the case, they're scrutinizing the investigation. And now they're wondering why the hell are there no leads? Why has no one been chased down for this?
Starting point is 00:46:35 What the fuck are you guys doing over there at the West Yorkshire Police Station? Right. Like this is, it's taking this? Like what the fuck? What the hell? So West Yorkshire police started talking to everyone in the area. They're talking to neighbors, shop owners, sex workers.
Starting point is 00:46:50 They collected over 3,500 statements. And at this point, the case was assigned to an investigator, a new investigator, which is also their problem. They keep just handing this to different people instead of having one consistent person who has a connecting thread. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:06 So the new one was somebody who chief constable Ronald Gregory really felt could handle this case and he was in charge. He assigned it to assistant chief constable George Oldfield. So George Oldfield was that classic detective that you think of. He was mouthy. He was abrasive, chain smoking, chain smoking. I knew it.
Starting point is 00:47:28 I had a glass of scotch at any given time. He was a former veteran. He had actually stormed the beach in Normandy during D-Day. Holy shit. He had also lost his oldest daughter at one point to leukemia. So he had a personal connection. Especially equipped deal would have the empathy needed to investigate the death of a child. That's great. I'm glad somebody capable of holding the case at this point. That's the thing. He,
Starting point is 00:47:48 hopefully, he didn't put all my eggs in his mouth. Yeah, that was going to say, maybe, maybe pluck a few of those out. I don't know. I'll take these. The idea was nice. The idea was nice, but many mistakes were made during the course of the investigation. And actually West York's share police, like I said earlier, actually two years ago made an apology to the victims. It was two years ago. Two years ago. Very recent.
Starting point is 00:48:11 And like I said, how they spoke to victims, families, all of that stuff. I'm going to get more into that towards the end, because I do want to talk more about that. Probably the end of the, like in the fourth episode. But it's notable to point this out as the investigation kicks into gear here because they put together a force of 304 officers who worked full time on this case at this point. The first mistake was that old field made a public statement about Jane's death, but refused to acknowledge that it was connected to the other murders or attacks.
Starting point is 00:48:57 Oh, question mark. Why he did this is unknown because they had already connected them at the scene, but this sucked, and it really set the whole thing back, because we're still playing on that innocent victim thing. We're not connecting it because the other ones are sex workers. No, no, no. One thing they all have in common is they're all women. That's the only thing we need to be concentrating on here. Next, they requested a profile of this killer. And it was way off. It basically said, a mind as well have said, look for an aggressive madman skulking around in the shadows
Starting point is 00:49:32 and covered in like bunions and waving a hammer. Oh, okay. Peter Sutcliffe at the time was a happily married, gainfully employed Lori Driver, who did his doings at night, under the cover of darkness, with a lot of cunning and a lot of sneakiness. He also looks like a regular average steel guy.
Starting point is 00:49:51 I would pass that man on the street. Yeah, if I didn't know what I know now, smile a lot. He just like there's that guy. You know, like he just is what he is. And if I ever were to hitchhike, I guarantee you I would have been like, oh, he looks safe. And if you think about it, all of these instances, he's going out with his friends, you know, Trevor Burd's all or Ronald Barker and his brother. He's going out with them to pubs all the time, Stanle told about 12 or 1 a.m. then driving
Starting point is 00:50:17 them home and then he goes out. Right. Most of the time he has an alibi. Exactly. Those people, they, exactly because now, I was with that guy until like one AM, like, he was, he was going home. And then times get confused, of course, the more and more people even ballscreen the bartender. Oh, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:50:35 They left about this time, could have been later. Exactly. All up. Exactly. Now, this whole thing, the whole, like, you know, this profile that was completely off base and had everybody looking for like just this bridge troll human who you could easily spot. And also the whole not acknowledging that Jane McDonald's was connected. That was throwing everything off.
Starting point is 00:50:57 But then they also paired this with the Land Rover and the other description. We've got so it is so far off. You couldn't be further away from Peter Seppler at this point and the manhunt was massive now and at this point over 175,000 people were interviewed 10,000 vehicles were checked after that initial big burst of them and no leads were found. But are they checking land rovers now? They're checking land rovers now. Exactly. What are they checking land rovers now? They're checking land rovers now. And by July 1977, Sonia and Peter had bought that home they fell in love with on Gardner
Starting point is 00:51:29 Lane. And on July 9th, he went out with Ronald Barker and his brother and Bradford to celebrate the actual purchase. Of course. You think you are for real. Of course they headed to the red light district and hung around until about 1 a.m. At this point, Peter dropped them off in Clayton and went back towards Leeds,
Starting point is 00:51:49 because this is what he does. I just love that this man is so morally superior, but then goes to the red light district. Like what do you talk about? But he thinks he has any kind of moral compass here. Not better than anyone else. Yeah. Who are you to judge?
Starting point is 00:52:02 Like, nobody's judging you for doing what you're doing. Like, I also just can't get this image of him like walking through an open house and then that happening. Celebrating buying the house. I can't. I can't, I can't go out of my head. That's such a dichotomy.
Starting point is 00:52:18 Like, wow. It's like from a movie. You'd see it in a movie and be like, whoa. Yeah. As he drove down the Chappleton streets, he'd see it in a movie and be like, whoa. Yeah. As he drove down the Chapelton streets, he saw a woman in a black evening dress standing outside the Bali high around 2 a.m. That's another club.
Starting point is 00:52:33 This woman was more in long. She was a 42 year old mother of three and she had been partying at Tiffany's with her ex-husband Ronnie for most of that evening. After that, she loved that so much. She's like, just partying with Ronnie. She's like, I am hanging out with Ronnie. Just Ronnie, my ex husband.
Starting point is 00:52:49 And after he met Dress, like, killed it. She got fancy. After that, she went to the Bali High Disco Tech and drank and dance some more. Witnesses saw her dancing there with a lot of different men. She was very visibly tipsy, like pretty drunk. I'm happy with the time. She had been outside waiting for a cab at the time,
Starting point is 00:53:06 just to go home. And when Peter pulled up, he asked her, are you going far? So she figured why the hell not take this free ride? Yeah, she's drunk as well. Yeah, she's not making like, not our best minds for you. She probably would have made sober.
Starting point is 00:53:20 So she got in and told him to take her to her ex-husband Ronnie's apartment. She was giving him the directions. On the way there, they kind of started talking. And according to him, he said Maureen ended up asking if he fancied her. She's also drunk. And they agreed to go to a private spot just off of bowling back lane. It's called I doubt that. So when they got there, Maureen said she needed to pee. This seems to be the same story over and over again.
Starting point is 00:53:49 That's the other reason I don't believe this. I think he's just using that story. No. And also, I'm sorry, she's not going to go pee in behind a bush in an evening. No. That's not happening. And she went to a small embankment behind a bush. Peter crept up behind her and hit her on the top of the head with the hammer as hard as she could. She slumped down to the ground and Peter dragged her
Starting point is 00:54:09 to a waste disposal site. Where he again hit her on the head with the hammer, he then pulled down her dress, stabbed her five times in the abdomen, and after that he wasn't done. He made long incisions from growing to almost sternum. Oh my God. Then he flipped her over and stabbed her four more times in the back. Also, the force that takes the stabs when it went back. He was now sure she was dead.
Starting point is 00:54:36 And so he dragged her brutalized body to a darker part of the waist, disposal area, and covered her with a filthy old mattress. As he walked away, he almost fell. but he caught himself on a broken sink that was on the ground and he left a bloody partial pom print on the porcelain. I just got the scene in my head from the lovely bones when he starts falling down that basement. Yes, exactly what I thought.
Starting point is 00:55:00 I felt like slow motion just hitting every thing. Falling, yep. I loved that scene. I thought I had like slow motion just like hitting every thing. Yep. Yeah. I loved that scene. Oh. Now apparently a dog barked and startled him because he left without wiping it, which he normally would have. And he said later that the dog bark startled him. The barking dog was also confirmed by a night watchman
Starting point is 00:55:20 because that was his dog. He was barking like crazy around 3.30 AM. And he had this night watchman saw a white car speeding away, but he didn't investigate it further. He was just like, what the fuck was that? Like he just thought it was somebody dumping something and leaving. Or like 3.30 in the morning.
Starting point is 00:55:36 He was like, it's a waste disposal site. It's in a bad part of town. Like people do shit all the time. Sir, there's a serial killer on the loose. I'm saying. And so he didn't look further. He was later able to give a description of the vehicle. But unfortunately, he thought it was a white Ford Cortina and it was a white Ford Corsair. So again, we are getting me on the wrong. We just look at like all the white
Starting point is 00:55:57 cars that exist. It wasn't, yeah. It wasn't until early the next morning that two women near bowling back lean Herd soft cries that they believed were a baby. Oh my god. They followed the sound and found Maureen Long alive It's just she live under the mattress crying out for help. Oh my god. Ambulance and investigators arrived and took her to the hospital Where they saved her life. Oh, and you know her ex-husband Ronnie was out for a flight. I believe in Ronnie. I believe in him too. I don't know anything about Ronnie, by the way, I just feel right about him. They had a great night, so I'm in too.
Starting point is 00:56:33 I want them to. Yeah. She had head injuries, hypothermia. She had three broken ribs and horrific stab wounds, but she lived. She had been split from growing to almost starting. And she had been laying under that mattress for hours and hours. I wonder if the pressure of that mattress
Starting point is 00:56:51 had anything to do with something. Maybe to do with something. Maybe. George Oldfield, the new investigator on the scene, he ran to the hospital after her surgery and immediately wanted to interview her because he was like, holy shit. Fresh in the mind.
Starting point is 00:57:04 Yeah. But she couldn't remember barely anything from the evening. She was like, holy shit. Fresh in the mind. Yeah. But she couldn't remember barely anything from the evening. She was like, one, I was drunk. But like, I don't remember any, a lot about the evening anyways. And obviously head trauma. Like, I don't. I just came out of surgery. PTSD.
Starting point is 00:57:16 But she did remember. She said, I do remember that I did get a ride from a man. And she said, a man of about 35 years of age who had light brown shoulder length hair. Do you think it's possible he was wearing wigs at all? That's what I was wondering. Because I mean his hair, I will say his hair is kind of shaggy or shaggy and also just like like obvious you know what he is an obvious hairstyle. Exactly he does. It's like he didn't have light hair. No, it's definitely not. And not it
Starting point is 00:57:45 wasn't shoulder length either. It wasn't. So, so that's interesting. But we'll hold on to that. And also now old field put out a special message to look out for a white Ford Cortina. And that was not his car either. This is when his name went from the Leeds Ripper to the Yorkshire Ripper. Okay. from the Leeds Ripper to the Yorkshire Ripper. Okay. September 26th, 1977, Peter and Sonia officially moved into their home and Sonia was obsessed. She was so proud, she was so happy. She had never had a real home before.
Starting point is 00:58:16 That makes me so sad for her too, because I'm sure at some point it just gets absolutely sad. Oh, yeah. I'm sure. And she literally called it her castle, neighbor said, like she was, they called her house proud because she was just so happy. Well, she was young to buy a house. Yeah, she was.
Starting point is 00:58:31 She was. And this is also when Peter started to lose his air of invincibility a bit. And he took notice of the news reports where Maureen was giving descriptions and the night Watchman was giving his car description. He decided the car, even though it was the wrong type, it was going to be an issue. So he sold it to Ronald Barker and he bought a red
Starting point is 00:58:50 corsair. So now he could even further out. Oh, red car. Yeah. October 1st, he took his red Cossera to Manchester, almost two hours away from his home to troll the streets in the red light district. At 9.30pm, he spotted and pulled up to 20-year-old Jean Jordan, asking her if she was doing business. She said she was, and they drove to a nearby empty lot next to a cemetery where they agreed to have sex on the grass for 5 pounds. Jean had run away from home at 16 and had met her partner, Alan Royale, when she had appeared in Manchester.
Starting point is 00:59:25 They took to each other right away and they had moved into Allen's apartment and Lynn Beckcresson. They never got officially married, but were like living as husband and wife. Yeah. They had two small children together. Unfortunately, by 1977,
Starting point is 00:59:37 they were in dire straits financially. And unbeknownst to Allen, she had turned to, she had met some sex workers and was doing it on the side. Trying to support her family. Yeah. As she walked towards the grass that evening, Peter snuck behind her and hit her 13 times in the head
Starting point is 00:59:54 with the hammer. 13. My God. When she fell, he began stabbing her over and over and over before he was scared off by headlights. As he was leaving for home, he realized that he had left, so he had given her that five pounds. He was getting sloppy.
Starting point is 01:00:11 So he realized that the five pound note he had left with her was part of his pay packet from that week's work. And he was worried that the little serial number on it could be traced back to where that was. He didn't want to go back though, so he just kind of hoped it wouldn't be an issue, and it wasn't, you know, and it really wasn't for a long time. He was watching the news, no one was finding Gene.
Starting point is 01:00:33 Days went by, Gene's body wasn't even found as it, and it was laying behind an abandoned shed. And she wasn't even reported missing by Alan. He explained it later, but like, whoa. Okay. October 9th, Peter and Sonia had friends over their new house for a housewarming party. I have so angry about this. Eight days later.
Starting point is 01:00:54 He's having a housewarming party. Just like, welcome, playing toast, man. And around midnight, Peter offered to drive some of his friends home. So we dropped them all off, and then he went back to Manchester after he drove them off. Damn. He went to Jean's body eight days after he had left. She was still there. No one had found her. God. She was still there, but her purse with the five pounds note was gone. Oh, so somebody had seen her and robbed her? That's what I thought initially, but no, he just didn't find it. He was pissed, though.
Starting point is 01:01:28 He lost it. And he dragged her body out from the hiding place, tore her clothing off and started stabbing her body over and over again in a rage. He slashed her chest and stomach over 20 times. Her intestines and stomach were exposed at the end of this. Wow. Once he had calmed himself down,
Starting point is 01:01:49 he decided he had to make this look less like a ripper kill. So he figured he would try to remove her head to stop her from being identified. Whoa. He tried, but he failed because he did not have the proper tool. He's like already losing it.
Starting point is 01:02:05 That's bananas, but like going off the fucking wheels. He brutalized her body in this process. So he just left her there and just went home. He couldn't get her head off. Also, like, where are all his bloody clothes going? Like what are you doing? That's the thing. This man must have been fucking covered in blood.
Starting point is 01:02:22 That's the thing. I wonder if he had clothes in the car. He had to. Something like that. He had to. October 10th, only 12 hours after Peter had moved her. Jean was found by a worker coming into do gardening work in the area. He had literally tripped over her body and called police. DCS Jack Ridgewater was on scene and he immediately knew it was the ripper by the hammer blows
Starting point is 01:02:43 in the stab marks. He'd despite what he tried to do. That evening it was on the news and Alan heard the description and he knew it was Gene. He called police and told them he had actually thought Gene had gone to Scotland to visit family because she would do that. Like she would just pop off to Scotland for a few days. So he was like, that's the only reason I didn't call her in missing. And like, so that makes sense. Fingerprints at their apartment matched the victim. So they were able to confirm it. Also a fellow sex worker and friend and a halt
Starting point is 01:03:14 identified her in person. It was five days later that someone who lived in the area found Jean's purse. Okay, tell me. It was 150 feet away from where her body was discovered. I'm assuming it was likely an animal moved it because the five pound note was still in it. Okay. Like no money, it was taken, nothing was taken from it. Yeah. I'm sure it was animals picking away and they just dragged something away. Makes sense, yeah. But they were able to trace the bill back to Shipley and
Starting point is 01:03:41 Bingley, which were branches of the Midland Bank, which is in Yorkshire. They were able to narrow it down where these bills went out by interviewing over 5,000 men who worked in places where they did get circulated. They did start to interview men from the place Sutclift worked as well. He was interviewed directly, but remember, he had a housewarming party that night. And so his friends were able to provide him an alibi that they were with him. I'm saying he had that figured out. He did. He had that figured out.
Starting point is 01:04:17 He hated when it's something like that where you're like, he fucking had it. Yeah, you like fuck you that like that does make sense. Like fuck you that That does make sense. Like, fuck you. That you thought of that. This venture also didn't really help because it ruled out the real killer. Like he was passed by now and also spread the information way too far.
Starting point is 01:04:35 So it made it hard to connect pieces and make one cohesive investigation. Now it was just getting messy. A mess and a half. This was one of the times Peter would come very close to getting caught, but found himself once again untouchable. Police in his face and he still walked away clean.
Starting point is 01:04:52 I'm glad the department apologized now about how mishandled this case was because my God. But that is where we are gonna leave it for part two. Are you kidding? Because this is a lot. And these are very gruesome. They are very stressful. They are.
Starting point is 01:05:09 But part three, we are going to dive right back in, and it's not gonna get better. I'm on the edge of my fucking sheet. No, he's gonna get caught at the end of this. Because you also said that he, there's like multiple times that the police get him. Yeah, and this seems to be the first. Yeah, this is one of the firsts. Yeah, one of the times. So, get him. Yeah, and this seems to be the first. Yeah, this is one of the firsts.
Starting point is 01:05:25 Yeah, one of the times. So, god damn it. Yeah, this is a rough case. It's a lot. It'll stay with you. Yeah, it has been. And, I'm just fucking hate him. So go listen, you know what?
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