Morbid - Episode 406: The Yorkshire Ripper Part 3

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

Part three of The Yorkshire Ripper gets even more brutal than the first 2 episodes. Peter Sutcliffe is really starting to ramp things up. He's getting more violent, more theatrical, and more brazen as the minutes pass. The police will end up speaking to Peter for the second time in this installment (although it certainly won't be the last time) and local news outlets will start receiving Jack The Ripper letters regarding the murders. Hang on tight, the fourth and final episode will be hitting your ear meat next episode!!!After Evil by Neil JacksonApple, R.W. 1981. "Truck driver in Britain confesses at his trial to killing 13 women." New York Times, April 30: A6.Byford, Lawrence. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper Case: Review of the Police Investigation of the Case. Evaluation, Inspector of the Constabulary , Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom, London: Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom.Cobb, Richard Charles. 2019. On the Trail of the Yorkshire Ripper: His Final Secrets Revealed. South Yorkshire: Pen and Sword Books.Cross, Roger. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper: the In-depth Study of a Killer and his Methods. New York, NY: Dell Publishing .Gazette News Services. 1981. "God's voice made me kill Yorkshire Ripper tells jury." The Gazette, May 12: 13.Jenkins, Russell. 2011. "DNA closes police file on 'Yorkshire Ripper' murder." The Times, February 9.Jouve, Nicole Ward. 1986. The Streetcleaner: the Yorkshire Ripper Case on Trial. London: Marion Boyers Publishers.Kershaw, Ronald. 1978. "Police authority head wants 'ripper' caught dead or alive." The Times, February 15: 4.Kershaw, Ronald, and Arthur Osman. 1981. "Ripper squad faces serious charge." The Times, January 5: 1.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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We are in part three of the Yorkshire Ripper series. Yeah. It is going to be four. That will be the end point. I promise. We are going to get all the way up to ten murder victims in this one. The last three I will do in the fourth part of the series. And then I think we're gonna close during that same episode, episode four. I wanna talk more about like what the family members, you know, that they got the apology from the police station. You're gonna have to the fact,

talk a little bit more about them because they got forgotten all this. So that's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna talk about these, he's getting progressively worse. Yeah. And he started off absolutely terribly. So that's saying something.

He started off at the bottom of the barrel and somehow he got lower. So deeper than that. Yeah. It's really bad. Other than that, I don't think we were going to really, oh, you know what? There is one thing that happened this weekend that I was like, I just have to say this because it freaked me out and Stress me out so much this weekend. This is terrible. I don't think I'm sure you guys heard about it probably by now but in Texas a little girl named Athena

was literally abducted a seven-year-old girl abducted out of her driveway by a FedEx driver, delivering packages, and within an hour, he had murdered her and dumped her body. Like, are you fucking kidding me? This, like, I can't stop thinking about it. No, and this guy was just like some random

30-year-old FedEx driver, like, I am just without words about it. This poor family I can't even and it's right before Christmas you're getting packages delivered all the time. Of course yeah like are you kidding me? I don't know what is wrong with people like I wish there was some way to end all of this like how do we just get back to a place where like this is not so terrible. I just like that story when it popped up at my newsfeed. I was like, oh my god, it's awful. John and I couldn't stop thinking about it all weekend.

I was like, that is just unfathomable. It's not a ball. I can't say the word. Yeah, no, it's so true. It really is. It's, she was just in her driveway. And you don't think about it. No, these people are supposed to be vetted, right, to come to your house and drop things off.

And it's like, according to FedEx, he doesn't have a criminal record. And they do check records for, because he was a contract driver. That's crazy. So they say they do check records for that. And that his record in the counties that I suppose it covers was clean. I don't know how far that goes or if that means he had a clean record completely. Right.

But it looks like by all accounts, he didn't have anything that would have tipped them off. To have no priors and then do something like that. That's what's getting me. That's a bold first step. Yeah, like middle of the day or like early in the day who knows. At her home. She's literally minding her own business in her driveway.

You would never think, like that parent probably said, like, yeah, just stay in the driveway. Yeah, exactly. Because you think your child's safe on your property. And it's like, should be, your children should be safe at home. But it's like, guys, it's this world is a scary world we're in right now. Like how size is it? But children can't play in their front yards.

Yeah, they literally can't. Like now I would never even like watch the girls and let them have that. Oh, never. Never, never, never. You can't even go inside for like a second. And it also bums me out because like FedEx drivers,

UPS drivers, like all these package drivers, yeah. They work their asses off. And then this guy goes and gives them the best season especially drivers, they work their asses off. And then this guy goes and gives them the disease, and especially, but they work their asses off all the time. I mean, where would we all be without them? You know what I mean?

I rely on them a lot for everything. And it's like, especially now they're working crazy hours, like breaking their backs to do this. I mean, and then this happens, and it's gonna freak people out. Reluctive, I mean, like obviously, it's gonna freak people out. Well, luckily, I mean, like obviously, it's gonna freak everybody out. And I feel bad, like that sucks because I'm freaked out.

I'm freaked out. But I know like our FedEx drivers and all of them, like I love them, I appreciate them. Right. That really sucks. It sucks when bad one really rotten apple can really fuck it up for everybody. And it's like, so definitely don't like, I mean, I wouldn't just like judge every single, you know, FedEx,

UPS, all that, all their drivers. It's just like be vigilant. Yep. But like, my God. It's just like that story really got to me. And I just feel horrific for that family. It's terrible. Anytime this would be devastating beyond words or comprehension.

But you add the whole, add the horror to it. Add the horror to it. And oh, it's just, how do you do that to somebody? It really bummed me out. But I do that. I just had, I had to talk about it because I just had to get it out of my brain. Because I'm like, John and I have just been like so upset about it all again. It's the thing it's like, you don't even, I get so many CNN updates and I'm like,

oh, no, like stop, like I can't. Cause it's all bad news, right now. It's all bad news. It is. I got one the other day that there's a black hole fucking directly pointing at her and I'm so stressed out about it. And I told Dash, don't worry about that one

cause like we could get hit with an asteroid any second. And that made me feel so much better guys. And it's like volcanoes that are way overdue. There's fault lines that are way overdue for. She's really just feeding the anxiety. That stuff doesn't even bother because I'm like whatever world we're overdue there. But like, but it's the people.

People, the evil monster people that are just lurking around all of the real fucking danger here. Honestly. But guys, everybody hug each other. And just like each other, like a holiday candle, celebrate whatever it is you would like to celebrate whatever it is that makes you happy.

Elena's a real angel. I'm really into you all right now. Let's just celebrate it. Let's everybody just be happy, man. Don't worry. Don't be all like uncool, you know? That's my girl right there. But you know, speed, we'll get out of that

because I just had to get that out and I just want everybody to like hug each other and not be dicks. But here we are. We're gonna talk about one of the biggest dicks of them all. So, we are in part three. I just want to start this out by saying, at the end of this whole thing,

he left 26 kids without their mother. 26 orphan children. 26 children had their mothers taken from them. And not only that, taken from them in brutal ways, and then have to sit there and watch the entire world basically swipe it aside because they happen to be sex workers. It's so messed up. As well as human fucking being.

And the whole, and we've said it so many times, but it's like the whole thing is, oh, it's a dangerous job. What do you expect? You cannot say that. First of all, not that. That goes without even saying. And you can say that about a million other fucking jobs. Absolutely.

But you never would. No. You never would. Yeah, because for some reason, they're not deemed, quote, unquote, less than. That's like, my dad was an electrician. That's like saying, well, if he got elected, he didn't die. That's like saying, well, he was an electrician, he was asking for it. No, he was not.

And you would never say that. No. Shut the fuck up about sex workers. And it's just like, that's what they did for their job. Yeah. That's how they earned money. They were mothers, they were daughters, they were friends. And that's why they were doing that. Because they had children to support

and all of these women were down on their luck. Like you don't know what you would do for your kids when you're desperate. You know what you would do. Yeah, like this was a bad time. Everybody was going through it. People were desperate like right It just bums me out like 26 kids

Lost their mothers during this. I mean it could have been more outrageous All the survivors even that he has yeah and lost their mothers while their mothers were out trying to put food on the table It's all that's what's even it's like and then they were treated like on the table. That's all fun. That's what's even, it's like, and then they were treated like, like all the headlines were like, you know, good time girl, like sex worker, blah, blah, like worse things than, you know, saying that. I'm sorry, person writing the article. Did you know that person personally? And it's like, I, you can see like, Wilma McCann's son came out and was like, my, my

mom wasn't just a good time girl. She wasn't just this, like she was my mother. And it's like, oh, that person is just one thing. No. And it just bumps me out. And actually, Emily Jackson, one of the victims who was there with her husband, whose roofing company had fallen, like it fallen on hard times. And they were, they had actually lost their son Derek when he, when he had fallen out a window, like they went through a lot. Her son Neil was actually 17 years old when that happened and he had to be the one I identify his mother at 17 years old and he actually helped write a book about his mother, her murder and life after everything. I'm going to link it in the notes for this but like it just bums me out the people like this, this was handled really poorly

when it happened, like real poorly. He says like this usually are. Yeah, it followed right in the footsteps of Jack the Ripper, but let's start off with a survivor, the third survivor. Her name is Marilyn Moore. And so on December 14, 1977, at around 8 p.m., Marilyn Moore had left her friends place on Gibson Road. The house was close to the Gady pub and Rounday Road, two places frequented by Peter Sutcliffe. Marilyn was only 25 years old, working as a sex worker at the time. And since it was only 8 p.m.,

Marilyn decided she was leaving her friends house, she was like, why not try to get her client on her way home? Yeah. Make some money. She did see a dark colored sedan drive by her and only noticed it because it drove by again before she got to her apartment. So that's when she took a little notice. So she was a little suspicious.

Then as she tried to like kind of look around for anybody that could be a potential client, she wasn't getting a lot of luck. So she was like, I'll just go home. Then as she walked by Franklin's place, saw the same car again, third time. But now she saw that the driver was outside of the car and leaning against it. She thought it appeared that he was gesturing to her to come over. So she came over. The description she gave later was that this man was about early 30s, dark, wavy hair, and had a clean and well-kept beard. She was nervous that evening because of all the ripper news, because now it was becoming

very widely known. But since he was so casual and he had said hello to some of the other working girls in the area in front of her, she felt more confident that he was likely not the guy. He was friendly with the other girls. Right. He just wasn't coming off that way. He introduced himself to her as Dave, and they agreed on five pounds. He suggested they go to a spot on Scott Hall Street and off they went in his car. When they arrived, it was a very desolate and isolated area.

And he parked the car and suggested doing the whole thing in the back seat. So she got out to get into the back seat, but the door was locked. So he got out and said he would unlock it for, but he had a ball-peen hammer in his hand. And when he was behind her trying to unlock the door, he brought it right down onto the back of her head.

Every time you say that, I swear I can feel it. He hit her again, and she said she felt, quote, a searing, sickening blow on the top of my head. That's how she described it. She screamed very loudly and fell out of fell, but as she fell, she grabbed onto his pants to try to hold herself up.

And he just kept hitting because she thought also this would stop him from like having to he would have to stop, but it didn't. He was just hitting her over and over as she continued to scream This was unintended and unexpected to suck life usually he is able to incapacitate women Very quickly with a blow to the top of the head. They usually fall Either unconscious or barely making any noise that anyone else would hear and he's able to finish But her screaming, Marilyn's screaming caused a nearby dog to start barking as well.

And that freaks him out. So he decided to abandon ship. And he left Marilyn on the ground. My God. He had also hoped later he would say that he figured that she probably would die because he had hit her so many times with the hammer. He just figured it would be a slower death.

Wow. And he would just leave her to die by herself. Great human. And he just drove off back home to Sonia, his wife. Remember, he has a wife. He has a wife. And every time you say that, it hits different. And he just goes home to her after this.

And I hope I can say poor her. Yeah, I mean, she didn't buy all accounts. Sonia had no idea. Like she's just like, imagine finding out that's the man you slept next to for years and years of your life. I can. While you knew, while you probably sat together and watched reports of this man happening, that's the thing.

But anybody even knew who he was. It's wild. Like, they probably, I'm shit, like, think of all the times that you watch the news and comment on it together. Yeah, of course. They probably talked about it at some point. Absolutely, I'm sure they did. And I'm sure they did.

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up and started walking in the direction of the street. Wow. Luckily, a young couple were driving by and saw her covered in blood and crying, just like stumbling across the street, and they called for help. Marilyn was brought to Leeds General in Fermory and her injuries were a depressed fracture in her skull and other bruising and lacerations to her head, face, arms, and hands from defensive wounds. Because she had tried to stop him. Investigators rushed to the hospital to talk to Marilyn, and Dr. Anne the Doctors, and were told that, quote, considerable force had been used by her attacker. Oh, yeah. And it was evident the objective was not an attack, but murder. That was definitely what the objective was. Now, luckily, Marilyn was

conscious by the entire time that it was happening, luckily and un-lucky, because nobody should have to be conscious for that whole thing, but luckily because she was able to describe this asshole pretty clearly. And she told them he was in his early 30s, a little bit of a stocky build, dark, wavy hair, and the neat beard that was nice and trimmed, them he was in his early 30s, a little bit of a stocky build, dark, wavy hair, and the neat beard that was nice and trimmed, and he was about five foot eight. She also told them he drove a possibly maroon sedan, and he did drive a red car.

All right, go go. I've read Koseh, or so. Investigators use this and went through the list of ripper leads and people of interest. They went through all the daves and davids, but none fit that description, obviously, guys. And they put together and circulated a photo fit from the description as well. Crime scene investigators also found that the

tire marks at Maryland scene matched the ones found at Irene Richardson's murder scene, so they were able to connect. Now by 1978, the investigation into the Ripper murders and attacks had turned into full-blown panic. Because even after Maryland's description, the photo fit, the tire, nothing. More getting anything. They were able to connect these things. And say, sure, this same person did this one, but who the fuck is this person? That's the problem.

And this is the 70s? Yeah, so it's like, we don't have a lot. Yeah, what are we gonna do here? And nothing was moving forward. So much money was being dumped into this and it seemed like it was just being flushed down the toilet. And people were still being killed and wounded

and traumatized all while they're bumbling around, not figuring out how to organize themselves. Right. Worse yet, they seem to be just abandoning leads in pathways like all the live long day. Yeah, this was very poorly managed. Like the search into the five pound note that was found at the Jean Jordan.

Oh yeah, murder scene in her purse. That was one that narrowed them down to places of business and actually let them speak with Sutcliffe himself and clear him. Then, socliffe himself and clear him. Then, so that happened, they cleared him. Like, what the fuck? That's it, I forgot that that didn't happen. Then they just abandoned that like they did with the cars

because once they had talked to a few people, they were like, well, I guess we can't find him. Which is what we needed to do. And then remember what they did that with the cars. The car thing? And they only had like, how many left? Yeah, it's wild. So ridiculous.

And they had gotten through so many. Exactly. And then they even put it like they even narrowed it down to white co-sairs and they stopped that investigation. Like they just kept abandoning things. So frustrating. And unfortunately it was a real shit show. And the photo fits they had and we're circulating.

I'll describe to different men, of course. It seemed and we're not helping with any identification or leads. It was only serving to confuse everyone and frustrate everyone. Yep. So January 21st, 1978, right in the beginning of the new year, Yvonne Pearson had made dinner for her two children and then she had left them with a babysitter who was a neighbor, so she could go out and make money. Yvonne, like all of the other women in the area, knew that things were definitely much more dangerous now with the rip-around the loose and she had actually been good friends with Tina Atkinson. So in response to this, she actually kept with her a pair of scissors as defense smart and she made sure everyone knew I will fucking use these. Yeah, don't fight with me.

Ivan was finishing up a drink with a friend around 9.30 p.m. at a pub on Lumbling in Bradford. She said her goodbyes to head out onto the street to look for a client. And as she was walking down the street, a man in a red Ford co-sare almost hit her. Jesus. And he actually, like, squealed to a stop, rolled down his window and was apologizing to her, like, oh my God, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to do that. I didn't mean to do that.

Well, we'll talk about that after. Yvonne said, that's actually good timing. Put it down to fate. That was her response to him, then she got in the car. Oh my goodness. So Sutcliffe drove to a dump on, I think it was Athington Street, and he parked doing the same thing he did with Marilyn suggesting that they go in the back seat.

As Yvonne got out of the car, he grabbed a stashed heavy lump hammer. And he, or a lung hammer, excuse me, and he snuck up behind her, hitting her in the head with it. Oh my God, I gotta Google what that is. I know what that is, but I have to tell you to, this one is very upsetting, and it's graphic. It upset me.

So she fell to the ground, and he dragged her by the collar for dress or her shirt and dragged her to an old dirty sofa because they were near like a dump site. A car actually pulled up next to his at the time and a man a woman were in it and they were like talking to each other. He later said that it seemed like they were there for ages. So he was just waiting with Yvonne on the sofa like trying to keep her quiet and he said she was moaning loudly from being hit in the head with a hammer. So he shoved couch

stuffing down her throat and held her nose shut. Oh my god. Well, he waited for them to leave. Well, she's like bleeding from the head. Now once the car had left he then kicked her in the head and body several times and then jumped on her chest until her ribs cracked. Oh my god That's what he did To Yvonne Pearson who has two, two daughters, I believe at home. And the last thing she did was make them dinner and then go out to the provide. And he crushed her. Yeah. Oh my God. What's worse? How do you? I just like, yeah, that like reading that like to that to someone. Yeah, that one really got to me. That is such a different kind of species.

Tell us how that happened to you and to have that be the way you go out of the Earth. Yeah. It's horrific. I can't. I can't. And what's worse is Peter Sutcliffe had actually spent the day helping his parents move before this and had been doing so up until about 9 p.m. So he was just with his parents move before this. And I'd been doing so up until about 9 p.m. So he was just with his parents helping the move. Oh, so his parents figured things out. They stayed together. Yeah, I guess they were.

I don't know if they were both moving or he helped either. I'm not sure exactly what the details were. It was really. But he was helping them at least. And he went straight out trolling from there. Came across Yvonne quickly and by accident. And he later said during his trial that Pearson was the only woman he did not intentionally set out to murder. But when she used the word fate, he thought it was a sign from

God that she was meant to be killed by him. And I think that's bullshit. And I think that's him putting it on her. And I think it's him trying to say, well, she did it. She's the one who used the word fate. I don't think that's right. I don't think personally that like, I don't, you know, I just can't. I don't think God knows what you're going to say. I know what you're going to say. I don't think if there is a God. That's what I was trying to do. That this person is out there whispering into dirt bags ears like see Peter Sutcliffe go kill this innocent woman. Like, I actually think one of the first things

in the book he supposedly wrote, I guess, says thou shall not kill. Yeah, is that not one of the things? That's a commandment. There you go. So I don't know why we're using him as the scapegoat here. We're also, he's not only using like this God as a scapegoat, but he's also using Yvonne as a scapegoat here, where also he's not only using like this God as a scapegoat, but he's also using Yvonne as a scapegoat.

Yeah. Saying that she's the word, she used the word fate. I wouldn't have done it if she didn't do that. So you're putting it right on her and you would have. You would have. Of course you would have. You would have found her or somebody else. He was 100% out to kill another woman.

And for him to sit there and use her in what she said as the reason, is such a little bitch way of getting out of it once again, is him putting it on these women that they deserved it or they asked for it. Like fuck you. Do you think it truly was an accident or do you think he spotted her and had the idea or the impression that she was a sex worker? Yeah, I think he saw her. Yeah, I don't think he's, yeah, I don't think that was accidental. I don't think it was either. So Yvonne's babysitter obviously was very nervous when she didn't show up that evening or the next morning.

She called the police immediately to report her missing because this was not like her. Yeah. She didn't just not come home. And she wasn't found until March 26th. What, was the date that this happened? January 21st. Oh my God.

Someone walking by the dump sites on arm sticking out from the disgusting old sofa and discovered her body. This one was a tough one. Investigators initially believe this was actually a separate murder and not connected to the Ripper murders. Well, it's so different. That I can understand. She was found long after death,

which is not like the other Ripper murders. She later vets them. He leaves them pretty much to be discovered. Her cause of death was strange, obviously. And there was no evidence that she had been stabbed, which is part of his Evo. I actually keep thinking about him jumping on her ribs. Yeah, that's never been a method before.

So that threw them off. David G. the pathologist examined her body and determined her cause of death was definitely trauma to the head But actually believed it was done with a large rock and not a hammer. Okay. That wasn't true Peter Sutcliffe later to said he used a hammer, right? He confirmed it But it was different than the ball, but it was strange It was a different. There wasn't the ball being hammer that he usually uses Upon further inspection

He also found that the killer had shoved that handful of insulation in term else. And that was something that's never happened. Exactly. And they thought that this was done after the fact or it was done during for some other reason. But Peter Sekliffe later said, I did it. So she stopped moaning. He loves putting furniture on people. Yeah, he does. And mattresses and like, that's weird. That's weird.

Also, her body was different than how Sutcliffe had actually left her initially when they found her. She had been killed next to the sofa and left there that evening, but she was found with the sofa now partially covering her along with other debris from the dump. And there was also a copy of the Daily Mirror

dated February 21st, a month after she was killed, a full month after she was killed. But before she was found, it was tucked under her arm. So he went back. So he later claimed he never returned to the body and he had no idea how that happened. He's a complete bullshitter. Like who would have done that?

He was like, I never returned to the bodies. You returned to Jean Jordan's body. Yeah. Like four minutes ago. Like are you kidding? He definitely returned to this one. And he definitely left that daily mirror under her arm. Yeah.

Like he did that. He thought he was getting real crafty. Yeah. And he does this a couple. Like he definitely was returning to these scenes when they were not found right away. Well, and also, I mean, like I hate to say something this crude, but look what he did to people

as they were dying. I'm sure he got off to them afterwards, you know, because he's a fucked up individual. Yeah, he's horrific. So only 10 days after the brutal murder of Ivan Peterson on January 31st, this was way before she was found. So she was still missing at this point, but 10 days after he murdered her, Sutcliffe struck again. Wow. This time he picked up Helen Ritka. Helen

was only 18 years old. Hey God. She had been living in a motel room with her twin sister Rita. They had both been raised in a children's home and then aged out. It's awesome. They had been staying with a sibling, but like I think it was a little just like up in the air. And although Helen had been working a job at the local candy factory, she had recently lost it. So now they had both turned to sex work to try to pull themselves out of their situation. Right. They had plans. They had ambitions. They were just desperately trying to get on their feet to make those happen. Helen had actually just received a grant to attend Batley Art College. And she had dreams of becoming a soul singer. Wow. Yeah. In a newspaper article I discovered, it said when Helen and Rita were 15,

they actually sent a poem together into the Yorkshire Post. And it was published. And the title was lonely and unloved. Oh, God. The poem will destroy you. It is so sad. And in one verse, they wrote, and this just like gets you when you find out she does not survive. She is a victim that died. They wrote, no one cares if I was lured, lured into the deepest hole, cast aside by those so cruel and treated like a mule. Yes, loneliness is to live this way. Day after day. Yes, I would pray that someday love may find an open way. Wow. This is who these people were. Like they were just people who wanted love. What everyone around them had. Yeah. Like that's like, like what you and I have. Yeah.

Love. A roof over our head. And lead to provide for your family. Like that's like like what you and I have. Yeah. Love a roof over our head. Family. To lead to provide for your family. Like that's all they were looking for. Adults that cared about us when we were little. And you have to like beautiful twin babies and just leave them. That's what it's like so sad. And it's like they knew that they were like lonely and unloved at 15 year right?

Like that's so sad. Never feel that. And then like she was that's like prophesizing. Like no one would care if I was lured, lured into the deepest hole cast aside by those so cruel. That's literally what happens there. That's scary. That's not the first time that's happened in cases.

No, it's like, they know. It's so sad. So on January 31st, she was in the red light district when Peter came rolling through on his nightly trolling mission in Huddersfield. Once he had her in his car, he drove her to the Leeds to the Leeds to Manchester Railway station off Great Northern Street, and he found a secluded area to park with her. It was the same kind of methodical pattern that he had began. He is now switched from the outside thing to the suggestion of the backseat, the

exchange of money, and then the sneaking up behind them with a hammer. That's now his new pattern. He actually had to stop before he was able to hit her initially, because two men came walking by and could have easily seen it. So he paused, and then when he was sure that they were at a site, he took a shot and swung the hammer and talons head. She crumpled to the ground and as she did, he swung the hammer into her head five more times. Wow. He said he left her there for a while. In fact, he said it was, quote, long enough for the blood to soak into the ground. He's a twisted fuck. And then he stripped her clothing off and dragged her naked and battered body into a wood pile nearby. Once there, he stabbed her over and over again. Now later, Peter would

say that this time he became, and this is like, this is rough too, just trigger warning. Once there, once he had stabbed her over and over again, he later said he became aroused by the idea of getting caught because he nearly had moments earlier when the two men walked by and he ended up raping Helen after bludgeoning and stabbing her. Now, he said this, but it is important to note that the Emmy did not find evidence that she had been raped or had had sexual intercourse that evening. So maybe he's just saying that to me. So I wonder if he is saying that to make it worse somehow, or to desecrate her body and life and honor even more.

The Emmy said he found no evidence of this. He said that does not mean it didn't happen. I just didn't find absolute evidence of this. Yeah. Either way, whether he did do it or whether he just wants everybody to believe he did it, that is the most fucked up thing I've ever heard. Either way, whether he did it or he's trying to convince you, he did it, and didn't actually do it. I don't know, like, that's a whole other pathology. Horrible in either way. Yeah, they truly are. Now, the next portion blew my mind because her body wasn't discovered for another three days,

and it was found by police dogs who were actually going through the area. Oh wow. The day after she was killed though, lumber yard workers had arrived in the area, found the giant patch of blood-soaked ground, and torn women's clothing all around. But they figured that since sex workers and drug users frequented the area, it wasn't cause for concern. Blood soaking the ground in torn clothing, no matter who it is, I'm sorry friends.

That large patch of blood soaked ground means someone was very injured. Regardless of what these people do for work or what addictions they deal with, for that matter, that much blood in torn women's clothing should be reported. Also, that's a fucking human. No matter what. That's the thing. No matter what. It's an injured human. Exactly.

Somebody was injured here. You're like, you should call. That's what people need to realize. It's like, it's a human. Yeah, just it's a human. That's a human. You're a human. You would want somebody to call for you.

You might not be the best human on the face of the earth. Why are you judging everyone else? Like, you could be like, I have heard Stuart, like, you could be a fucking neurosurgeon who saves lives. Yeah. You could be the shittiest husband who beats your wife and hurts your children and does the worst shit imaginable,

but I'm supposed to respect you because you're, you do that for work. Right. But this woman could do sex work for work and be the most like brilliant, amazing, kindhearted, loving, mother, human friend ever, but because she works in that field, I'm going to treat her like shit. What? What?

Can we just judge by who the human is? And I think that's the best. And the last part, it's like, you have no idea how these people got there. You don't just wake up on morning and say, oh, you know what I think I'll do today? It's like, no, something got you there. Multiple things. Like, multiple things happen in your life to get you there. You don't just wake up on morning and say like, oh, you know what? I think I'll do today. It's like, no, something got you there. And it's multiple things, like multiple things happen in your life to get you there. Yeah. And nobody deserves to be brutalized like this. I don't understand how we still have to say things like that. I know. Now, either way, she wasn't found for another three days. And when she was found, she had been stuffed between pieces of lumber,

like trash. Investigators were not able to yield anything of help from this scene, and it seemed like women were just going to keep losing their lives with really little to no consequence outside of it. George Oldfield told BBC Radio that they were closer than ever to catching the ripper, but that was a lie. They were nowhere near close to it. They were moving further and further away, if anything at all. And unfortunately, the police set up another headquarters for evidence and tips and such in Huddersfield. You guys got to stop setting places up and stuff like that and just start investigating. Well, that's, and they also just, when they're setting up these places, things in different

places, you're just making things more complicated and spread out. And now different departments have to connect with each other. And they're not. And they're not. And they're not. We are now eight murders into this whole thing, and they have zero leads, and they have already talked to the killer at least once. Wow.

He's escalating with each new attack and murder, and he's killing more and more frequently. And they also weren't really taking enough time to analyze how his methods and procedures were evolving as well. He went back to crime scenes now. He literally moves bodies later and stages them. He didn't do that before.

He also placed that newspaper in Ivan Pearson's hands after the fact, regardless of what his stupid ass claimed. He definitely did that. Yeah, I believe that for sure., regardless of what his stupid ass claimed, he definitely did that. Yeah, I believe that for sure. But regardless of what was actually happening, they were hoping for a break at the very least. They were obviously hoping to end this.

They just weren't doing a good job at it. Even though this was clearly not being handled with the utmost care, it didn't make the department look good at all to have this case like just unsolved and fluttering in the breeze like this. So in May, it was announced that the Yorkshire Post were going to offer 5,000 pounds as a reward for anyone offering any information that could lead to the arrest. Nothing. Nothing of note came forward. I'm sure so many things of no note came forward. Exactly. Fortunately. Now, as if this case wasn't already on a one-way

train to nowhere with the lack of organization and the seeming lack of urgency because of the victim demographic really, there were more roadblocks ahead. How? This case was as parallel to Jack the Ripper as can be. And it gets even more so because now we got letters. gets even more so because now we got letters. Oh man, are they from Peter? Oh, they're from Jack the Ripper. I have to go. We have some surefire hoax letters and we have some that they thought were real.

So let's start in March 1978, where we are chronologically. Can you also, just sorry, can you imagine writing a hoax letter? No. Like as somebody who's not even a murderer, just like a whole other different kind of fucked up. Yeah. What, you wasted part of your life doing that. We are also going to get into the person who actually wrote

some of these letters and we're going to roast, we're going to shut out of them. We'll do that in episode four. Jesus Christ. Because right now we're in March 1978. That's where chronologically we are in it. So this is when George Oldfield received the first letter. It had been said to the West Yorkshire police

and it was postmarked Sunderland 145 PM, 8th of March 1978. This letter was from someone claiming to be the Ripper and he was doing the same kind of thing, taunting and acting like he was some god. Like the same thing as Jack the Ripper quote-unquote did. And you know how he's holding the entire area in the palm of his hand. And he also made sure to throw some digs at the investigators in their complete lack of leaps. Wow. So this is what the letter said.

Dear sir, I'm sorry I can't give my name for obvious reasons. I am the ripper. You're not. I've been dubbed a maniac by the press, but not by you. You call me clever and I am. You and your mates haven't a clue that photo in the paper gives me fits and that bit about killing myself. No chance.

I've got things to do. My purpose is to rid the streets. There's some really vowel language in here, by the way, and I'm just going to read it. My purposes to fit the streets of them slots. My one regret is young Lassie McDonald's, he's referring to Jane McDonald, the 16 year old, did not know, because changed routine that night. Okay, up to number eight now, you say seven, but remember Preston 75, get about, get about a bit, you know, you were right, I travel a bit. You probably look for me in

Sunderland, don't bother, I'm not daft, I just posted letter there on one of my trips. Not a bad place compared with Chapel Town, Chapel Town and Manningham and other places. Worn whores to keep off the streets because I feel it coming again. Sorry about young lassie. Yours respectfully, Jack the Ripper. Might write again later, I'm not sure last one really deserved it. Who's getting younger each time? Old slut next time I hope. Huddersfield never again. Too small, close call. Last one. Under the flap of the envelope, the letter writer had signed Jack the Ripper, which just makes me gag. Because I'm like, that's fucking clearly not. No.

Like, what are you talking about? It's just like, ugh. Yeah, yep. Also, like just the most terrible, like they're getting younger, like what is wrong with you? Yep. Now, this one, what we,

one of the things in this letter was Preston 75. What was that? I'm actually going to get to that because initially they didn't connect to what that meant. But they do connect it because you mentioned it again in the second letter. Okay. So the second letter came only days after the first

and this time it was sent to the editor of the daily mirror. Obviously he wrote two very similar letters, hoping one of them would get published or one of them would get noticed. Also interesting. The Daily Mirror. Yeah. There's that. Who knew? Yeah. Now, this one made sure to take credit for all the murders up to this point, but it also offered that same Preston 75 that was in the first one that they didn't really take notice of until now. This was a reference to the murder of Joan Harrison, who was a sex worker murdered after being raped

October 23rd, 1975, just a month after Wilma McCann was discovered murdered, and she was murdered in Preston. So Preston 75. So you were saying that wasn't me? No, you were saying that wasn't me. That wasn't credit for it. This was saying that wasn't me? That wasn't. You were saying credit for it.

This was shocking because she was kicked and stomped to death after being raped. Then her jewelry was stolen. It was horrific, but it wasn't like the murder, the Ripper's usual mo. He never really stole. That was never a thing. And that was a different mode of murder, even though he had stomped on Evon's chest and done that whole thing. The police kind of just assumed these were real letters the first two, and they took this admission of being the murder in the pressing case as a real confession mainly because she was a sex worker, so they figured it all fit together.

She was not one of his victims. They did later catch someone. I believe his name was Christopher Smith. Do you think that Peter Sutcliffe was like, quote unquote inspired by that killing and I heard the details of it and that's why he did that to Avon? No, because that was way back in 75. So you don't think he would have, like he killed Avon in 78. That would have been a weird thing

to suddenly be inspired by. Three years later, yeah. I think this person who wrote these letters is not Peter Sutcliffe, so well, I know that he is not Peter Sutcliffe. Oh, okay. And I think this person who wrote these letters is not Peter Suffolk. So well, I know that he is not Peter. And I think this person was trying to prove some kind of thing by connecting another case to make it seem like he was more so basically this person is like, I know all about zero. Now the second letter said, dear sir, I've already written the chief constable, George Oldfield, a man I respect concerning the recent Ripper Redders. I told him and I'm telling you to warn them horrors, I will strike again

and soon when the heat cools off. About the McDonald Blassy, I didn't know that she was decent, and I'm sorry I changed my routine that night. I didn't know she was decent. Okay. Up to murder 8 now, you say 7, but remember Preston 75. Easy picking them up don't even have to try, you think they'd learn, but they don't. Most are young lassies, next time try whole older, when I hope. Police haven't a clue yet, and I don't leave any. I am very clever, and don't look for me up there in Sunderland, because I'm not stupid. Just pass through the place, not a bad place compared with Chappleton and Manningham.

Can't walk the streets for them horrors, don't forget warn them. I feel it coming on again. If I get a chance, sorry about the last, if I get a chance, sorry about Lassie. I didn't know. Yours respectfully, Jack the Ripper. Might write again after another week gone by maybe Liverpool or even Manchester again. Too hot here in Yorkshire. Bye. I've given advance warning, so it's yours and their fault. I got this letter, it's like all over the place, but also it's exactly almost the same as the first one. And this is not Peter Suckliff. This is a fucking asshole who did this.

Yeah, this person is deeply disturbed. This derailed the investigation into another murder. So this person fucked it even further. And I'm sure they probably, that was probably their intentional along. It's really fucked up. And we will talk about this person when it comes up, I just wanna keep this in chronological order.

So we're not jumping from time frames here. But these are when the letters are restricted. Exactly. I just wanna keep the number of things going. Now these letters were debated a lot over whether they were authentic or not. And they seemed like they just contained just information that someone could get through the news or headlines and nothing that only the killer would know. But the only reason they were taking them seriously was the Preston 75 thing. They were wondering if that was like supposed

to be inside our knowledge. But don't worry. Again, there are more letters, more communication, or knowledge, but don't worry, again, there are more letters, more communication, and an explanation for them later. Okay. Now, just like the letter stated, he was going to strike again. Of course, that was a very easy thing to throw in paper because he has been striking left right up down all over the place. May 16th, 1978, 41-year-old Vera Millward was unlucky enough to come across Peter Sutcliffe during his escalation period. Vera was actually born in Spain and had come to Manchester in the 50s. It was very shortly after she

arrived that she met someone, got married, and had four children with him. But in the 1960s, her husband had passed away, and she fell on very hard times. Her children ended up being taken out of the home because she simply couldn't afford to provide for them on her own. Once this happened, she turned to sex work as a desperate option to try to get them back, try to get a house. The work is dangerous enough as it is, especially at this time and place, but Vera was also in very poor health. Oh no. She had only one long. Oh my god. And she suffered from chronic and often debilitating stomach issues. In the years before she met Peter Sackcliff, she had undergone at least three intense surgeries

for her stomach. Wow. Although things had been tough for her by the 70s, she had met and moved in with her boyfriend, side-barket. They had two children together, but at the end of the decade, by the end of the decade, Si had lost his job and things had turned worse financially. Again, thus she was back in the sex work world. But she wasn't really telling him that she was back in the sex work world. She was just trying to help on the side slightly.

So on May 16th, 1978, she left her apartment around 10 pm. And she told Si that she was just running out to get some cigarettes at the store But instead she had an appointment with a long-term Regular client that she had okay, so out she went to meet this client, but he didn't show up Okay, so instead of going home Vera had her heart set on making money that night So she went looking for a replacement client. She was like I'm already out I've already committed to working that evening. I'm going to headspace. I'm sure. Let's just go. Let's make some money. Now, unfortunately, Sutcliffe happened to be trolling around

Manchester that evening where Vera was, was because leads in Bradford were being heavily watched and patrolled by police now. So he had switched to Manchester. Finally, they're doing something. So he saw Vera walking down the street and he asked her if she was doing business. She got in the car and set lift brought them to a secluded area, Nymran Chester Royal and Firmary, so a hospital. His new MO, as we have said,

was to suggest the backseat instead of an outside area. This made the victim have to get to the backseat, left them vulnerable to his attack. Barrow went to open the back seat door. Suckliffe hit her from behind with the hammer three times. Once she had fallen, he dragged her to a place where the light didn't touch, where he pulled her dress up to her shoulders and slashed at her stomach, savagely enough that her intestines spilled out of her body. Oh my god! He then turned her onto her stomach and stabbed her over and over through the same wound in her back, just like Jane McDonald's.

He then placed her face down onto a pile of trash and left her there. Wow. The next morning, two workers arriving to do ground-keeping work at the Royal Infirmary found what they believed to be a discarded mannequin. When they got closer, they discovered this was a real person. Her arms were tucked under her chest, and her shoes were on her thighs. He also put her coat across her.

This was very similar to the Irene Richardson, where he put her boots on her thighs and her coat across her. Yeah. He never really explains this. Okay. But I don't know what that whole ritual he does is. Now, investigators knew this was a Ripper victim right away. And since it was Manchester, Jack Ridgeway was the

lead investigator. He was the lead on the Jean Jordan case as well. Okay. See how we have too many lead investigators happening? Yeah. It's like, why would you not just have one lead investigator leading the investigation? Need like a task force here. Yeah. So now we have another broken-off section of the investigation, which makes it more complex and more unorganized. [♪ Music playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background, playing in background They searched the crime scene and they found boop prints around the body. They also found tire tracks and were able to match them to the ones found at the Irene Richardson murder and the Maryland Moro attack. So police started asking around the crime scene for anyone who had heard or saw anything.

And after all, this was an infirmary area. So people were going in and out at all times. A man had actually brought his son into the hospital that evening around 10 pm. And he told investigators that he thought he heard someone yell for help three times before going silent. He stopped to see if his mind was playing tricks because he was like, I was stressed. Yeah. My son was going in like, we're at the ER. I thought my mind was just going crazy and then I realized I'm at a hospital and maybe someone was yelling for help.

Inside. Yeah. Either an ambulance outside, inside. Yeah. And he said, he just figured as mine was playing tricks so he didn't hear anything else and he just ushered his son in. And he's like, I just really wasn't thinking straight.

Which is not the guesfall. No. Now Ridgeway met with John Demali, who was the guy from the West Yorkshire Ripper Squad. So many guys. And he shared his findings. The West Yorkshire Squad believed there was a link between Verras murder and the Ripper killings, but wouldn't agree that their cases were connected or that their cases, the West, the West Yorkshire Ripper Squad cases were connected

to these or even Ripper cases. Okay. So they just continued investigating their cases, which were fucking Ripper cases, completely independently from the Manchester investigations. Right. This is working out great so far guys, keep going. So many cooks in the kitchen.

All three of these lead investigators get together. And the West Yorkshire one is like, nah, I don't think ours are even related to yours. Or Ripper killings, but I do agree that your, you two yours are connected and are probably Ripper killings. Like what? But we're going to go investigate ours over here. It's like, do you think that also? Some of the needs to sit in a room together and figure this out for real.

Do you also think that was like a weird ego thing? Oh, I'm sure ego's played a huge role in this shit. Now, I mentioned earlier how slow going for investigators to realize that there was a lot of escalation and a lot of tweaks to the usual MO. How are you not realizing that when a woman was stomped to death? It's like he was egging the investigators on

by getting more reckless and brutal as they failed to catch him. Yeah. Obviously, he was getting way more violent and savage with his attacks, but he was also now stabbing and slashing quite a bit. The last few victims had their, like a last couple of victims had their abdomen slashed open and had their entrails pulled out. had their abdomen slashed open and had their entrails pulled out. That's new and that's so much more brutal. He was also getting more brazen with the locations. Yes, he was being careful to not troll in places where the police were openly canvassing and stepping up their patrols, but he was choosing locations within those safe zones that he had found where a lot of people were around and could easily get him caught in the act.

A hospital, that's a 24-7 operation with lights, people, ambulance, staff, patients everywhere. Right. And then there was that whole thing where he said he got aroused by the idea of getting caught when he killed Helen. Right. Now, shit got even wilder after this. And I don't just mean with the murders, with the investigation.

I mean, how does it even? Because now psychologists started really mucking up the waters, they had already come out with a profile that was pretty terrible for identification purposes. What was it? Before, I think we talked about it, maybe in part one or two, but basically they had said he was just this

raving madman and would look like a raving madman. Oh, yeah, that was the part. He was just going to be walking around snarling. They also believed he was just this raving madman and would look like a raving madman. Oh, yeah, that was a hard one. He was just going to be walking around snarling. They also believed he was socially strange and would be someone who couldn't handle holding down a job or a marriage or a long-term relationship. This certainly described Peter earlier in life. Yes, strange. But now he had a job as a lorry driver. He had a long-term relationship. That was now a marriage. And he was hosting housewarming parties with friends and hanging out with people in public without issue. No one came forward and said, this guy's a weirdo.

He got good at it. Yeah. Then some of those doctors decided that the slashing of the women's abdomen was childbirth related. They actually associated this with, quote, a man who had his heart set on having children and was raging about it because obviously his wife or partner was not able to give him a child.

So now he was taking his anger out on these women, most of whom were mothers themselves. Yeah. Once again, let's place it on the women in these men's lives. It's all like they're fallin' old. These women are barren, and that's why their men go out and murder sex workers who are mothers themselves.

Like what's the slash open their abdomens because they're mad that their wife or girlfriend can't have babies? Right, like what sense does that make? Like let's do that. Let's do that. I think this man just hates women. I think that's what it comes down to, guys.

I don't think there's actually even a reason. I think he just, I think there are things that added to it. But I think he just hates women. No, that's definitely it, but like 100% it. Stop trying. I feel like everybody always tries to like over complicate things. Yes. That's the thing. And I will say one psychologist that George Oldfield consulted for the case

was pretty dead on with some of his notions about Sutcliffe, not all though. He was off on one big thing and I will point that out first. And then I'm gonna go into the parts that he was pretty accurate about. Okay. So this guy's name was Dr. Shaw and Steven Shaw.

And he gave an interview to the Yorkshire Post in November of 1978, where he basically declared that the ripper was done. He was done. He was done. He said the Vera Millward murder was the crescendo, and now he was gonna settle down and get married and never brutally torture another woman again.

When is that literally ever happened? How did he come up with this conclusion? Conclusion, nothing, literally nothing points to that. Wasn't even a conclusion. It was a conclusion. Nothing. So who knows? And he seemed like a pretty smart doctor too,

which is what, that's why while like sent me into a tizzy scene that I was like, why would you ever come to that conclusion? He also said though that likely, in this thing that he said likely followed him around for a bit after he said it, he said, quote, I realize I could end up with egg on my face. Yeah, you did.

Here we are. But he also said he believed the ripper had finally found his true love. A woman who of course, quote, was the opposite of a tart, possibly very religious. Someone who is in his eyes a paragon of virtue. Sir, you're going to need to lay out for me how you came to that conclusion. And also, you're going to call all the women that he murdered tarts.

A tart thinks that that's going to be palatable. But he's settling down with the opposite of a tart, which is somebody that's very religious. It's like, why did I not religious that I'm a tart? Like, so if I'm very religious, I'm not a tart, which is somebody that's very religious. It's like, why did I not religious? Why did I not religious? That I'm a tart? Like, so if I'm very religious, I'm not a tart. Like, but if I am, I'm not religious, I am a tart. Like, how did those two conflates weird together? Weird.

Like, I don't understand that. Like, I tried to see what you were trying to do there, but I failed. Because I'm like, wait, so I'm an atheist. Mm-hmm. And I'm married. No, you're not real. You're a tart. And not a tart. So, like, that is how an atheist. Mm-hmm. And I'm married. No, you're not, girl, you're a tart. And not a tart.

So like that is that work. Also, what's a tart? Like what do you, what exactly are you like a good time, girl? Can you lay out what a tart is for me? Right. Like I don't understand that. It's just a shitty thing to say. It is a very shitty thing to say.

But he also had said he believes Sutcliffe was someone who could hide this side of himself and live normally outside of this world Yeah, and he did also that's just kind of obvious though because he's gotten away with this for that law True, so but he was married he had a job he had friends no one suspected him He also called him over-controlled an over-controlled aggressive psychopath and said this means that he is cold an over-controlled aggressive psychopath and said this means that he is cold, callous, and aggressive, but also doesn't learn from his mistakes and takes a lot of unnecessary risk. Yeah. And the only thing I disagree with in this situation is that he said he would likely behave normally

when things were going well for him, but he would likely lash out and kill when things didn't go well. This could be true considering he lashed out when Sonya hurt his feelings and when the sex worker laughed at him. That was one of the first things. He even went out and murdered after, but he didn't just do it after things like that. He went out and murdered after buying his dream home. Yeah. He went out and murdered after like helping his parents move.

Like he celebrated buying his dream home with brutally murdering a woman. Yeah. So he went on and murdered after like helping his parents move. Like he's celebrated buying his dream dream home with brutally murdering a woman. Yeah. It doesn't seem to be a consistent pattern for him to only attack when things go sour. So I do disagree with that, but I see where it was coming from. But it's clear that he had some kind of frenzied moments during these attacks. Yeah. Attacks. Shaw agreed with this saying, quote, the massive head injuries to the victims means that for 10, 15 or 20 seconds, he's in an absolute frenzy. On one occasion, he hammered a head quite flat. Oh, on another occasion, he kicked a woman to death. Then rage spent, he is calm enough to go back to normal within his parameters and drive away. And that's the truth to his wife after literally flattening a and drive away. And to that's the truth. To his wife after literally flattening a woman's head.

Yep. That is just like your brain could literally never wrap itself around that. No, literally. But at this point, they do have the tire impressions. Right. That's been a consistent thing they've been able to get. I feel like you keep saying, but at this point, they do have the tires. They do have this.

This one thing, that's at least something, because it was linked to the Ford Cossair, that Sutcliffe was actually driving. So they started interviewing men in the area who drove Ford Cossairs and ding, ding, ding, Sutcliffe was on the list. So they talked to him again. They talked to him again.

In August 1978, they went to his home and they interviewed him. His home this time. Yep. He had the car and he was known to hang around the areas where the victims were found. So now remember, they already had interviewed him when they found that five pound note in Gene Jordan's purse. So they now knew like he was known to the West Yorkshire Police Department now as being talked to before No, and you would think with the added fact that he drove a Ford Cosser that was red

You would make him look maybe look a little harder at him, but no They bought his story that he drove and stopped in these areas because they were on his way to and from work And he, quote, emphatically denied using the services of sex workers. Oh, yeah, let's not even check up on it. Let's just be like, yeah, he doesn't. So they were like, all right, cool. Seems legit, I guess. It really doesn't, though. So after this, he took a pause. Mm-hmm. It was almost a year before he started up again. Wow. And it makes sense. Police were really stepping up at the very least to their presence in these areas and

they were interviewing people for sure. Sutcliffe had now been interviewed at least twice. By the end of this, they would have talked to him over a dozen times. Are you serious? So he was likely trying to avoid being caught by being too brazen. I think he was probably looking and being like, okay, they are closing in a little more now here. It was the first time he really showed any kind of control

or ability to stop his urges to maintain his cover, which is very against, I think, what he's shown before. He also made another move. He sold that Ford Cosser and he bought a black sunbeam Roppy. So you would think that like if the, which they're not, like if he's already even spoken to one spy police, like he should really be looked at a little more closely. And if he's getting rid of multiple cars, like that's another thing that maybe you could look for people who have bought like multiple cars within a few years. You would think that would make sense.

I would personally, and I haven't even been to a day of law school. But apparently, they're not really looking at this stuff. And at the end of the year, November 1978, his mother also died from a heart attack. That's sad. People living around him and working with him said he was always so polite and nice to be around. They really liked him, but after his mother's death, they said he got loody, he got rude, he was just miserable.

As 1978 rolled into 1979, he was avoiding his neighbors and people, he worked with everybody at all costs. It was a very sudden change in his persona. It sounds like it. You will find different things about his childhood too. It's like the mother thing always sticks that he was very close to his mom. That story about the hotel and him

being there for his father, like, you know, humiliating her over the the affair. And you'll hear things about his father. I don't know what exactly is true. You hear from him that his father like beat them with belts. You also look at the time period. That was happening. Unfortunately, that was not outside of the norm. Unfortunately, like that was a pretty routine thing to happen, I guess. But like, I haven't heard anything like crazy,

but when you look around, you'll see different things. So I'm not sure exactly what that whole thing is. But the one thing that is consistent that every Omo back up is that his relationship with his mom was very, very close, maybe too close. But at this point, his mood is changing. He's taking a pause. And George Oldfield received a third letter from Jack The Ripper. On March 23rd, 1979, almost one year to the day after the first two letters were received in 1978. And after almost a year break in the murders, this one had a lot of the same tone with taunting the investigators, pointing to what

they deemed the incompetence of their investigation into his crimes. But this time, they also mentioned Vera Millward's murder, and the fact that she had been hospitalized a few times before her murder. This was discussed in news reports. This was also the letter, but this was the letter they took really seriously. I'm not super sure why, because those hospital, like the fact that she was hospitalized several times was mentioned in the press. It wasn't like this was something only the killer. No, but this this letter said dear officer sorry I haven't written about a year to be exact, but I haven't been up north for quite a while. I wasn't kidding the last time I wrote saying

the horse should be older this time and maybe I'd strike a manchester for a change. You should have took heed. That bit about her being in hospital. Funny, the lady mentioned something about being in hospital before I stopped her horning ways. The lady won't worry about the hospital now, will she? I bet you be wondering how come I haven't been to work for ages. Well, it would have been if they if it hadn't been for you, cursaid coppers. I had the lady just where I wanted her and was about to strike when one of your cursing police cars stopped right outside the lane. He must have been a dumb copper because he didn't say anything. He didn't know how close he was to catching me. Tell you the truth, I thought I was collared. The lady said, don't worry about the coppers.

Little did she know that bloody coppers saved her neck. That was the last month, so I don't know when I will be back on the job, but I know it won't be Chappleton, too bloody hot there. Maybe Brad's ferns manning him. Might write back, might write again, if up North, Jack the Ripper. PS, did you get the letter I sent to Daily Mirror and Manchester? She's like, did you got that?

Did you got it? This is very much Jack the Ripper-ish. Like very much somebody who heard those letters read about them and decided to do the same exact fucking thing. And this is that guy is... This is bullshit. Not the real guy. And then on Wednesday, April 4th, 1979, so only the following month, Peter Sutplett Cliff began again and would somehow get even more brutal. Oh no. This is where we're gonna end for part three.

We are gonna finish off with the three final murders and how this all finally gets caught. Finally, seriously, I'm like, when is he gonna get caught? Like how many more? It's ridiculous. And we're gonna talk more about the victims' families. We're gonna talk about the guy who wrote these letters

and what happened to him. It's, we're gonna talk about all guy who wrote these letters and what happened to him. We're gonna talk about all that. So, and he did do a full confession, almost a 24 hour long confession. Peter Sutcliffe. Yeah. Wow. But yeah, we'll talk about that. And that is... Your chair ripper part three, and I can't wait to be out of this guy's life. I'll tell you that much. What a wanker. He's dead now, so that's good. I saw that. I can't wait to be out of this guy's life. I'll tell you that much. What a wanker. He's dead now, so that's good. I saw that. I wasn't gonna say anything, but I did see that.

Spoiler alert, he's dead. Went hand in hand with the apology, it seems. It did it out, honestly, was at the same. I think, I actually think he died of complications due to COVID, I believe. Oh. So there's that. Well, I hope it was brutal.

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