Morbid - Episode 409: Macabre Michigan with Paul Feig

Episode Date: December 26, 2022

Guys, we have legendary director (Bridesmaids, Spy & A Simple Favor), Freaks and Geeks creator and Sabrina the Teenage Witch alum Paul Feig on today to discuss some true scary stories from his home state of Michigan! Paul is truly one of the most delightful people we have had the pleasure of chatting with and this was such a fun and spooky episode! Happy Holidays and go watch Paul's newest film School For Good and Evil on Netflix!Check out Paul's cocktail book! Cocktail Time!Watch The School For Good and Evil on NetflixPaul made his own gin and it's won awards and shit!See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And I'm Paul. And this is another special installment of morbid. with the lovely Paul Feeeg. This is huge for me. Paul, thank you so much for coming on the show. We're fan-girling over here. Yeah, young girl, Lina's dying inside. Well, I am fanning out here because I love your show so much. Your show has gotten myself and my team through so many hard times in the last couple of years. I love you, we have a lot of times, we do test greenings for these movies. And once we had to drive all the way to Phoenix

and all we did is listen to more of it and go, oh my God, we're in the whole way back. That is so wild to me. Thank you. Seriously, thank you. It's like we're returning a favor because you got us through some hard times too. It's true.

You continue to. Oh, good. Oh, good. Thank you. Because I'm sure, I need to know, do you get the, oh my God, your Mr. Pool thing a lot? Or is that like a rare, a rare one? Doesn't happen much, but weirdly, you know, or it happens more than anything is in London for some. Oh, really? Yeah, like I'll be on the tube and it's like here Mr. Pool. I'm feeling sure.

I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go. Got it cool. Yeah, I'll take it. I love that. That's awesome. Because as soon as it's so funny because as soon as we knew we were gonna be doing this collab with you, I immediately was like Mr. Pool. Mr. Pool and my husband was like he directed bridesmaids.

Like he was like what? He was like freaks, he created freaks and geeks. Like why is that what that deep cut is what you're like? Freaking out of it. I'll take it. I will take any recognition. What's the way? Before that, I always got recognized. Everybody knew me from there's a movie called Naked Gun 33 and a third, which was the third installment of these comedy movies. And I'm in the audience, like an Oscar ceremony, reacting, because a friend of mine, they shot it later and they

needed some funny reactions. And so everybody knew me from that. Nobody knew anything else. I hear the guy from 33 and a third. Like, yeah, sure. Sure. That's awesome. I love it.

I was, I still am a huge Sabrina the Teenage Witch, Gal, the original. And I had like a huge crush on Mr. Pool when I was little. Yeah. So, so this is like a big deal for me. We found the one person who like Mr. Yeah. I could not understand. I could not understand the Mr. Pool was so annoying thing

when they would do that constantly as a key snack. Mr. Mr. Just for Mr. Pool. Well, that was like early, early days of the internet that show is on. And so they would do this photo gallery, and they would post these photos,

and you could see how many people downloaded the photos. Everyone of the cast members, I mean hundreds of thousands of people. Mr. Pool was like 7,000. And I was like, that was all the... I love it. Well, one of the things that we wanted to talk about today, because you were kind enough to send me a copy and I'm obsessed with it, is your book Cocktail Time. And it's an amazing book. Like it's so good. Because it's a cocktail recipe book, but it's not. At the same like it is, but it has a lot more in it, which I loved.

Because you have stories, you have like, how to get in the mood for certain cocktails. Like, I love the entire thing. So can you just tell us, because I know you love that like aesthetic in that whole culture. So can you just kind of tell us where that comes from? Yeah, I mean, I just, I've always been obsessed with like, grown-up life, you know? That's like, you know, that's like, you know, the subtitle of the book is, you know, the ultimate guide to grown up fun. Yeah.

I think, you know, it's, you know, I, like, I just turned 60 this year. So, but, you know, my whole kind of adult life, I've watched guys my age try to be like teenagers, you know, and I'm like, well, what? That's not, I had a terrible time when I was a teenager. Last year, I wanted to do was, I was going people was going. So I just love kind of that grown up aesthetic. And to me, cocktails sort of represents that. And as I say in the book, like you don't have to drink cocktails to get something out of this book.

It's really about how to throw a party, how to just kind of how to kind of make your life a little more grown up fun. And then there's a lot of really embarrassing stories on their channel. They're fun. There's some great ones. Like that movie ski patrol.

Was it that you did in the 90s? One of my favorite things was that originally your character was just supposed to have like a perpetual boner throughout the whole movie. Uncontrollable erections was the whole character description, which I had to do all these auditions, like ducking behind couches and doing like, oh my gosh, and covering myself up. And it's like fortunately they decided to get rid of that. They took a left turn, explored the character

a little more, you know? I was dying. A little deeper. But I have to ask, I know you love Martini's. But do you have a second, do you have like a favorite drink in the book that is not a Martini? Yeah, I'm very partial to Negronies. I think those are really

Spogliato. Yeah, those are big on two top right? Nicely done. With Perseco. Yes, exactly. Perseco said a gin. Although I'm a gin guy, so I'll always go for gin. Oh, they like gin, yeah. Oh, yeah, I have my own brand of gin actually.

Yeah, called Arding Stalls, Brilliant London Dry Gin. Oh, yeah. Very cool. Didn't it win an award? Yeah, we won a ton of awards. Yeah, that's pretty fast. We're slowly getting out into the world now. So you can't find you go to arting stalls gin.com to do it I'm always selling. I'm so sorry. Oh, it's always be closing. Don't worry. We'll link it in the show notes. Sure.

But I have to ask too if you if you to be a drink, what drink would you be? Oh, wow. What do you think you would be? I mean, I would probably be martini, but maybe I'd take a little switch on it and be like a church Hill martini, which is a little bit different. It's got a few extra ingredients in it. I like that. A little pizzazz.

I only know what would you be. Have you thought about this? That's a good question. I feel like I would be a Brandy Alexander. Really? Yeah. Nice. Nice.

I think it's warm. Yeah, it's dessert-y. It is dessert-y. Yeah. It's intense. It is intense. Yeah. I would be in espresso martini

because it's like really, really like in your face and a little chaotic, but it goes down smooth Yeah, I like that. I just did a party last night in a friend of my requested a peppermint Oh espresso martini which I've never done, but I took my martini recipe and I took a half ounce of peppermint schnapps There you go, and it was a home run. Oh, that sounds delicious. That does holiday. I'm going to put that in my pocket. Yeah. I really like that. And just like to close out, to close out talking about alcohol. Is there, is there any kind of alcohol? Because I feel like everyone has this that you absolutely lose, like that you had a bad experience with or you just don't like it all. Yeah, I mean, I hate to say this because it's such a popular, probably the most popular

spirit we have right now, but tequila. Nope, hate it. I hate tequila. Terrible hangover from tequila. Oh my God. The way it goes down, I feel like my throat and my chest is just lighting up fire. It's not good. It's not great.

I just don't like the taste. I don't know what it is. And then I've had some like kind of sipping tequila and those are kind of almost like a scotch. So you can kind of get around those. But the problem is tequila is always done in conjunction with something else. And like, you know, if tequila with beer, that's the worst hangar I've had had my life. It's tequila and beer. But then this is make it throw up. Gropa was thrown into the mix at one point during the evening. Where were you? I know what were you doing.

I was in San Francisco for this, this kind of robot convention number of years ago. And just went nuts. I caught my iconic behavior. It's like, it just goes never welcome me back. You just closed it out there. You really got it. I did that.

That happened. So, Stewart, maybe because we were just talking about almost dying, this is a good little segue into some questions that we have that we kind of try to ask a lot of our guests, because I think it gives a lot of insight into people. Yeah. So we're going to be talking about ghosts today.

Oh, great. Action. I have to know, what kind of ghost would you be? Would you be a sheep ghost? Would you be a Victorian child, a poster guy? A ghost ghost. A poster guy. Hmm.

I like that. I mean, a poster, I'm too much of a people, please, are to be a poster guy. Yeah. I would want to pull that many pranks on people. Yeah, usually I like that. I try to be, like, the friendly guy. I be cast-burred. Oh, there be like the friendly guy, I be Casper. Oh, there you go.

Oh, that's perfect. Yeah, that makes sense. So I feel like you'd be kind of be like a chic ghost. Yeah. You know, because that's always friendly. Totally. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I try to help people out. Like I go like find a secret, you know, listening on somebody else and come back. Oh, those people are conspiring again. Get away from that person. I like that. Yeah, Casper makes a good breakfast. And for some reason, I get the impression that you would also make a great breakfast.

You know, I do make a good breakfast. I just thought that. Yeah, it came across. Thank you. Yeah, and that nice scrambled egg burrito with some hot sauce and all that. Yeah, we got that. We got that hot sauce totally.

We got it. We got it. I love it. Well, and then so we're talking about a sheet ghost. We we always get really funny answers to this. What would you wear if you were a sheet ghost? Would you be straight up bed sheet ghost? A quilt ghost. Lace curtains, a tablecloth. Um, I guess I guess I can't have an outfit if I'm if a sheet ghost, right? I have to be. You can have like a hat. If you want every wall, you're going to have have a top hat I'll take a top. Absolutely. Oh there you go. Yeah.

But a white top hat. Oh there you go. Yeah. Suspect. That's classic. I could at least don my hat and then tip it to. I like that. A monochromatic ghost. I love it. I like that. I think that's great. I feel like that always gives good insight into who people are. It does. It kind of goes there going to be. Yeah. I feel like it always is. I love it. I like that. I've never been asked that question before. I'm very excited. I love that. That was the plan. It's a good one. Well, moving away from that because we will come back to ghosts. Trust me, we're gonna talk about Michigan ghosts. Oh, good. I have my home state. Exactly. And actually, you know, I'm segwaying myself and I'm not even meaning to. So this is working out really well,

speaking of Michigan. Let's talk about freaks and geeks. So my, actually, my husband had no idea, but he loves freaks and geeks. He had no idea that you created it, so he's now downstairs having like, like an existential mouth. And he was like, that's who you're talking to,

like freaking out. I love the heaks. He loves it. It's always on. I will. But I know that I personally have not met like a reboot that I liked or wanted to hang out with. I don't know if you feel the same.

I feel the same way. That's what I'm doing with your freaks and kicks. Exactly. So I know a lot of people probably ask you, like, would there be one because everybody wants one? And I feel like we all want it, but then we get it and we're like, why did I ask for that? That's the problem in life, though. We all think we want, like everybody wants, you know, that they want another bridesmaids. I'm like, you know, we got away with those. Yeah, and if it's great, it's like your losses sometimes.

Yeah, good things come to an end. Yeah, and it's like, sometimes it's like, you know, like it's like parks and rec. It was great. And it was always great. And that's it. Like, we don't, you know, just let it be always great. But if there was going to be a reboot, I realized that it was set in 1980 and it came out in like 99, 2000.

So for sticking with the same kind of time jump, it would end up being them in the year 2000. Yeah. Which is kind of different than reboots now, because like I don't wanna see anybody now. Like now sucks a little bit. Like nobody wants to see that. But like 2000s with like razor phones,

and like blockbuster, and illegally downloading music, I'm like, that's not that bad. I can work. That could be fun. The whole plot could be them dealing with the Y2K. Yeah, exactly. So if you were to do it, would you want to set it in that time or would you bring it to now? Or is it just a bad idea all around? Well, we'll leave the, leave it aside with that's a good idea or not. But I wouldn't probably do it in 2000. What I like about doing period stuff,

is you have a very limited amount of culture you can pull from. So you know all the best songs. You know, like the stars that sort of, you know, kept going. And the TV shows is still the test of time, or the ones you can make fun of that people thought were gonna be good and out. That's more fun to me,

because when you do something that's modern day, it's always this thing, oh, there's this band, there's hot new band that they want to be song in or whatever. And it's like, but then by the time you come out, that song's failed or nobody liked it. Right. Or everybody's used it a million times. I had that having on something.

I was doing something that we worked really hard to get this music. And right before we came out, it showed up on like a string cheese commercial. Oh, come on. Come on. Come on. Yeah, you stole that from the string cheese commercials.

I can't do it. No, I did. Yeah, definitely. That's what we're saying. Yeah, I feel like it dates itself when it's like two now. So I agree. I like like the period stuff. Yeah, I think 20 years in the past is a good chance for things to have blossomed and taken

hold if you use it. Exactly. I feel like that's really the only time that those kind of reboots would work is the nostalgia stuff. Because again, now is just like, I don't want to see now. We're all losing now. We're all losing now. I think doing well seems to not take place now.

Yeah, that's true. I mean, I guess I don't know when Wednesday takes place, but it feels like it's another time. It does. You're right. I feel like that's like timeless. Which I also love when things you just don't know. Yeah, you can't like pinpoint when they are.

Yeah. I mean, honestly, I mean, especially with comedy, the mistake that gets made a lot of times is when you first start out in comedy, you become very referential to culture, to pop culture. But what happens then is your only funny as long as your audience knows what you're talking about. You know, and I, you know, again, I'm 60 years old. I was a standup comedian back in my 20s.

And I really, like, I was really unique at the time because I made fun of the 70s and at that time everybody's making fun of the 60s. So everybody's like, oh my gosh, you're so out. You're so forward thinking all that. But now, you know, if I do it now, nobody knows what Helen talking about. You know, arguing and making pop culture references, you know, that's why they say comedy doesn't really travel internationally because if you're making too many references about your culture, then nobody knows if you're talking about somewhere else. Yeah, that's true.

That makes sense. But either way, I agree with you. I think if you did it, it would have to be 20 years in the past. But I'm of the same mind you are that it's like, it was great. It was perfect. And it will always be great. That's the best. Step away.

I always said, the best, the only great ending for a show I've ever seen was that it was completely satisfying was the last episode of 6 feet under. Yeah. That show. Because they showed how each character died. And he's like, now it's done. He's over. Do this again.

Yeah, like that's it. That is such a good show. I love that show. That was great. Hey there, fellow podcast listener. It's Elena. And Ash. And we're taking you back to the days before streaming services. Whoa.

You know, when you would come home from high school and it was only a few hours until that TV show everyone was watching was about to come on. Well in 1999 that show was Buffy the Vampire Slayer. In our podcast with Wondery the rewatcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer, we take it back to 1999. So get out your knee high boots and paste that poster of Angel on the wall. It's time to enter the Buffyverse. Some of you avid morbid listeners already know what we've gotten store. Hey, my nose. Join us as we sway our way through Buffy's drama, action and romance. Episode by episode. Slacy. Follow the rewatcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer wherever you get your podcasts.

You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Follow the rewatcher Buffy the Vampire Slayer wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen early and add free on the Amazon Music or Wondery app. Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da movies. Oh, boo. Sliding in here. School of good and evil. Oh, thank you. So good. I thank you. Love it. I'm a huge like, I love fantasy stuff. Like, immediately I get sucked into it. And it's this one gives you a like, it's on Netflix. Go watch it. Like, watch it immediately. It has awesome people. It's Shirley's Thoreau, isn't it? Done. Yeah. Exactly. And Carrie Washington, like Michelle. Yo, I know. Yeah. It has awesome people. It's Shirley's Theron, isn't it? Done. Yeah, exactly. You're very, very caring Washington. Like, Michelle, yo, I know you're crazy. Yeah, it has amazing people in it.

And it gives you that warm fuzzy fantasy feeling where you feel like you can go in your closet to Narnia. Like, it's going to happen. It's so good. But you're welcome. And are you usually drawn to, because I know people usually get drawn to a certain character, are you drawn to villains or are you drawn to heroes usually in these kind of things? It's a great question.

I mean, I love villains are great, but my thing with villains is you got to make sure in general, and this, this movie is actually kind of different for me than most, because my villain is just villainous, you know, because that he's, he is evil. But normally I'm always trying to figure out like, how do you make the villain not relatable but understandable because, you know, it's the fascinating thing. Why I love your show is these people generally, unless they're just horrendous and you know, obviously, you've got a few of those. Everybody thinks they have a reason why they're doing something that is good to them. It's obviously a terrible

reason. But so I'm always trying to figure out like, how do you make that villain three-dimensional in that way? And also, I always like to try to kind of have a little redemption for somebody at the end, you know, even if it's they get to come up and it's like at the end of spy, you know, it's just the fact that Melissa McCarthy and Rose Byrne just have this little daton between them. They got respect each other. Yeah. And I kind of like that. So, it's, you know, it's, it's, I'm more drawn to heroes.

The hardest thing in the world in the movie is the bad guy plot. I'm working with a writer right now who is one of the top writers in Hollywood. And she's always like, the bad guy plot. That's the fucking hardest part because you know, it's all like, you know, end the world over that like we've seen the same bad guy plot over and over. So how do you make it relatable and feel right? So but you can't have a movie that a great villain. It's true.

And I'm the same way that like if it's just a straight villain with no redeemable quality and nothing else, it's so, it's like boring. Yeah. Well, I don't want them to win. So it's like, bye. Like, lose. Yeah. Yeah, go ahead and lose.

I don't care. I'm just going to. Yeah. Like, they just want to create chaos. They have to have a reason why they want to create chaos. Exactly. So you can at least have some kind of like back and forth with it. Yeah. Yeah. But so you would say you're an effort if you had to. Yeah. Yeah. To pick, right?

Yeah. I think I would. I think I would. Yeah. Yeah. I believe that we took the quiz. I'm a never checks. Which I am a never, which also checks. Yeah. you're never, I'm a never. Although I was pretty on the line. Yeah, she was. Oh, good. Never, never is our cooler, definitely. That's cooler. They got a more fun attitude. Yeah. And that's what made us laugh about this movie

is like the, the, the, the ever's are actually really assholes. That's why I'm telling the line. But they look great. It's all mixed up. They look great though. They do. There's that.

But honestly, everyone go watch School of Good and Evil. It's so good. I know everybody who's seen bridesmaids, everybody has seen everything out like, but seriously, School of Good and Evil is such a good addition to your repertoire. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And like you say, streaming on that look right now, waiting for you two and a Waiting for you to an hour and 15 minutes of fun and then 10 minutes of credit.

That's like the perfect timing of a movie. And hopefully, do you know if that will be more of those, or is it just kind of... That's a hope we're writing it right now. Oh, I see. That's a sequel right now, about still waiting to hear if they don't want to do it. But they've ordered it. That's amazing. They ordered the script. That's amazing. Very nice. So everybody keep watching it. So that's honestly that's yeah. If you could help us out and we'll watch it again, that would be great. Not you personally. Yeah, if you've seen it throw it on again, just let it play. We did that opening weekend. We just had it on in our office. Yeah, when you leave work or when to get up. When you leave work, or when you leave for work,

just put it on. Just let it keep looping around. Yeah. The dog or the cat can enjoy it. Yeah, we love it. I'll put the cat's on. Put it on for them. Yeah, everybody will do it.

I think that's great. But yeah, I think definitely go get the book, Cocktail Time. We'll link all of these things in the show notes too. So everybody can get to it easily. But with that, thank you for chatting with us about all that stuff. But now we wanna scare the crap out of you. Oh, please do, I'm ready.

I've only recently got into scary movies and horror because I was so afraid of it. I always assumed something scary was going to be so scary that I would just die. Me too, I get that. Don't know how to do that. Yeah, totally. Scary movies.

But only in my 50s that I finally go, I got to watch these. And I'm good friends with Jordan Kruciola who does the disaster girls podcast. And I love them. She and Alana who, I'm Amanda who do it. And she's always going, he got to watch these. And so I started and what's great is they're never as scary as I think they're. No, it's always better when you're fall. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, can I say I watched what I think is for me the scariest movie I've ever seen just the other day. Have you heard of a movie called Fall? No, I don't think so. I think I've heard of that. I came out this year and nobody saw it.

It got no like marketing or anything. You can Google it. It's about two young women who are kind of like free climbers who decide they're going to climb this 2,000 foot or TV tower in the middle of nowhere and get stranded at the top. I have a major fear of heights. Yeah, same. It's traumatized.

I thought it was going to have a hard attack. Yeah. No, that looks terrifying. That's like, that's as similar to like the descent. If you've ever seen that. Yeah, yeah. The descent. Like I went into cardiac arrest. Like that was I could barely, I can barely make it through that movie. It's so claustrophobic and it's so stressful. I mean, I find like stressful is worse and scary because it's scary with you're going to have a heart attack. Yeah, exactly. If you haven't seen the ritual, I think it's on Netflix. It's a really good one. Okay. That's one of those that they keep the monster from you for the whole movie. You don't really see it. You just kind of like get the tension and then when it's revealed, it's actually a really

good reveal. I like one of the few. Yeah. It's a really goodier. Get the tension. And then when it's revealed, it's actually a really good reveal. It's like one of the few. Oh, okay, the ritual. Yeah, it's a really good one. That's it. It's all right. Just in case you're looking for recommendations. There you go.

But now we're going to scare the crap out of you with some ghosts. And feel free to interrupt to say whatever you'd like while we're good telling you these stories. Don't feel like you have to sit there silently or anything. Because being scared. Like covering your eyes. Because we interrupt each other all the time when we're telling stories, obviously. So even when it's not a good time, just,

yeah, I have something to say. So we're going to be talking about Dice Road, which is in Merrill. I don't know if you've heard about this. But so Dice Road is an unpaid stretch of really country road. It's between Saginaw and Midland and Michigan. Oh, yeah, I know Saginaw There is a home in Merrill that along with the road itself is documented to be one of the most haunted in the country Really, which I had no idea I'm already terrified you said dirt road and I got scared that dirt road I don't know how does I wonder how that happens. Were there a lot of accidents along that road

or murders along that road? I don't know, that's the thing. Cause when I looked it up, there's a lot of legends associated with it. Like there's a lot of like a witch lived here or some lady died in a car accident and is in our room. But you don't find any actual like newspaper or super operated that.

But it's not. Most on legends are fantastic. The bell. Yeah, the bell. Cause you know too, they have to come from something, like some little nugget of truth. Yeah, where they're smoke, they're fired. Yeah. This one, this haunted house is very well documented.

Like, old newspapers, this police reports associated with it. There's like documentaries about it, like it's a, and I had no idea it existed until I started looking into this. So I was like, what? All right. Some, some like famous reclusive old lady or man that lived there that's a, that's the wild thing. There's like a family who lived there.

But there is like an old lady across the street who they think was a witch that may have been, which is such a bad rap. No, the Texas chainsaw massacre family and one. Yeah. And then a witch across the street. I'm not even over in the whole. Sounds interesting to be honest. Well, the guy who owned this home in Kuwait,

this mainly happened in the 70s, like all the main activity, which I feel like everything like crazy happened in the 70s. Of course. Like serial killers go saw that stuff. So this guy's name was Harold Palmer-Ranning, and he owned the home in question in 1974.

He was terrorized for a while while he lived there. There was loud banging on the outsides of the home and insides of the home. There was unexplained and disembodied voices, furniture and other objects would just move about freely. Walls would crack open out of nowhere. God, what? Yeah, and the floor is apparently jumped move about freely, walls would crack open out of nowhere. What? Yeah, and the floors apparently jumped as if like explosions were occurring onto them.

Like not in the cute Kassito way from a condo. No, not like a condo. A little different though. Like a foot massage. Yeah. Like, there would nobody was like singing and dancing in here. It was like small explosions happening out of the house. My oh my.

And there were fires that would just light inside the house. Like spontaneous combustion. Yeah. Like all goes. Huh. Spontaneous combustion. Can anybody spontaneously combust though? I'm always fascinated with that.

That is the most fascinating thing to me. I still haven't done a deep dive into spontaneous human combustion, but I'm not sure. That was always in school. That was the favorite book in the library. Oh, yeah. It's like, you know, the chair with ashes and the two people like the box. There's so many photos with just the shoes. I don't know why those always survive, but that's why my dad always said, like, get good

shoes. Buy good shoes. You burn from the angle. Yeah. That'll be all that's left. But it's it also had several reports that were filed to the Saginaw Sheriff's Office about this house, and they're all documented. So it really began one night when this family woke up in the middle of the night to the sound of pounding and then shattering glass. So they immediately thought someone was breaking in.

Obviously. And they went into the kitchen and the dad found that the kitchen window had been absolutely shattered. But they called the pull, no one's around. They didn't see anyone outside. And when the police were called, there was no evidence that anyone had been anywhere near it or thrown anything at the glass.

But it just shattered. It was like- It had shattered in. It did. It shattered inside. So they thought somebody must have done something from the outside, obviously. Yeah. But then nothing was thrown into the house. There was no evidence that somebody was standing. And I believe when it happened, there was either they said there was either snow on the ground or it was like muddy, something that would have shown like evidence that somebody

was under that window and there was no evidence of it. Weird. Yeah, they couldn't find anything. They launched it from the woods. Yeah, there he goes. And it is a tear. They had like a potato gun and then you shot it

and then you saw an invisible potato gun. Somebody ate the potato. It's real quick. It was like this. But on Halloween night in 1974, reports were filed with the police about banging her on the home again. No shattering glass, just banging. Like someone was hitting the sides of the house.

Officers found no people, no animals, nothing that could cause it. And there was no evidence again of anyone being around the house. So at first they're like, you guys sound crazy. Like maybe that's it. Like, I think you're just calling us to have us come out here. They're like, it's Halloween.

You're being goofy. Yeah. Big fans of the cops. I've learned them over all the time. You're being silly and goofy. But January 5th, 1975, a report was filed after several officers from the Lansing department stayed at the home. Because between Halloween

and then they'd gotten so many reports that they started bringing officers to the home to like stake it out. Wow. Because they were like either you're disrupting our jobs and calling us for no reason or something's going on here and we need to know. So a bunch of these Lansing police officers stayed

at the home and they had switched out with deputies from like another shift. And they reported hearing in, there's a police report that they filed to the police officers saying they heard 13 blasts in the house. Why? And the end of the officer's report says, quote, at this time, there's nothing further I can add. That is a team blast. That's all. I can add. That is a team last.

That's all. That's it. That's all we heard. And they couldn't explain it. First of all, this is my new movie, which is the right. If you go to stay in a haunted house to see if it's really hope. Yeah, that's a good movie. I would watch.

Come on. That's got to be the greatest. That's a great film. Truly. Netflix get on this. But at the end of the report, just say there's, at this time, there's nothing further than that I can add. Just heard some stuff.

Yeah. But they had members of the state FBI unit also come in and they reported hearing explosions and blasts around and in the house. But no evidence to what it could be. Wow. So that was weird. And then January 21st, the same year, the Saginaw news ran a front page story about the home with the title Haunted House Remains of Mystery at Merrill.

So this was like only a couple of weeks after that had happened, but it had gotten around that this place is scary. And in the article, deputies are quoted saying they heard some of Harold's, like they heard some heard someone calling Harold's, like the name Harold's, but they just heard it around. And nobody was around, they could hear it almost like it was all around them, but couldn't find the source. And they said it felt like it was kind of closing

and on them people just saying Harold's. And they were like, what? And they even talk about how deputies parked all their cars around the home because they were like, we need to see every inch of this. And they heard the banging begin and still they were surrounding the house. And they could hear the banging,

but nothing is happening. That's wild. What did they call it? Scientists and their... A venture. They did eventually bring in some researchers, but one deputy said they were a quote, and this is where it gets weird.

The deputy said they were, quote, and this is where it gets weird. The deputy said they were told, quote, to say nothing to anyone about what we heard or saw. What? By their superiors. One of those government cupboards. One of those things. So, like, what is that? Or they don't want to instill, like, public panic.

I don't know, because the public was panicking. They were, like, all the neighbors were, like, we wouldn't go near that house. Like, my parents wouldn't let me play with the kids at their house. Like they had to come to ours. Yeah. It got like real weird. This is truly so 70s. Like, yeah, it is the most of these. I mean, growing up in the 70s, I feel like we heard these kind of stories. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. Now, police and firefighters investigated the home and the reports over the years, they found no footprints, no indication

people were in the home. The fire department was trying to figure out what the fire is starting. We're happening. They could find no cause for this. They couldn't even find where it was originating. They would just find something burned or they would come in and see a fire burning. Some of them even reported that fire fighters actually witnessed a fire start. Wow. In front of them. And they couldn't figure it out. And then they would just go out, do. And it would either burn out or they would have to put it out.

Yeah. That's so freaky. In fact, speaking of fires, one incident happened in the evening of February 23rd, 1975, while the family was getting ready to go to church. And this makes me think like, is it a Damon? I was going to say, I was just like, uh oh, because a roll of toilet paper just caught fire. Like a roll of toilet paper,

you're not going to church today and you're also not wiping your ass. So, I don't know if that's connected, but you're not doing. No fun will be out. It's just a prankster, yeah. This one's a pretty fun thing. Like, this will be funny.

But Harold's wife, Mabel, and their son, Dwayne, smelled smoke from the bathroom while they were getting ready and found half a roll of toilet paper on fire and the rest burnt. And also a few tiles in the bathroom had popped off the wall as well. From the heat you think or from. I don't know.

I don't know. The demon. I don't think it was the demon or the demon of the heat. Which one? Looking for, you know, it could have been either. I like it. What was it the demon? Or the demon of the heat? What? It could have been either. It could have been either. That demon either.

And I guess the curtain that was like near the window near the toilet, that was also burned, so it had traveled. Now, there was an official report fired for this, and the fire department as well as police came to investigate. And in their report, it says verbatim. This is when they say that they brought like somebody to actually take a peek at this. They said it should be noted that two members of the Duke University Physical Research Foundation

from Durham have been conducting extensive testing at the residents to determine the source of the strange noises and strange occurrences taking place there. It is felt by all parties involved that there is something some supernatural phenomena occurring at this location, and that it could also be the cause of the fires which have occurred. It is the understanding of the undersigned officer that the burning of the roll of toilet paper is next to humanly impossible when it is rolled up in the normal toilet paper

type role, as it is unable to get sufficient oxygen to produce enough heat to sustain burning. However, tests will be made in regard to the role of toilet paper by underste, under signed officer. And the humanly impossible thing was said by the state fire marshal. He said, this is humanly impossible to happen. That's terrifying. Why did they still live in this home?

They, they did get out eventually. That was my question. That's always the question. Like obviously you can't just go buy a house, but I would camp in the woods over that and I don't even camp. Yeah. Do we know how often were these things happening?

Was it happening every day or was like a month to go buy it, it would happen? I guess it was pretty routinely they would hear the banging and things moving and stuff. And that floor thing would happen a lot. But then the fire things were like, yeah, that's yeah. And the fire thing is like, you know, the fire thing is there too. Combustion happened like monthly and I feel like that's that's enough for me.

That's a sign that you should dip. That's yeah, no, I would be out there. I get out of the house as they say. Exactly. They did eventually luckily. Imagine how many rolled ankles from that floor just jumping? Yeah, I rolled my ankles just standing. I can't imagine if I floor move.

And do they like it? How fluid would the floor be if it was wooden wood? I wonder if planks would pop up? Yeah. Or if it would just like feel that like an earthquake almost. Yeah, almost like when there's a like a washer dryer or something on the floor underneath you, you can have kind of feel the vibration. Maybe.

Yeah. But that would go along with like those weird explosions happening. Yeah. So it's like, and what is exploding? Is something exploding? And we don't know it like to this day. Yeah. Yeah.

What happens? Is there like an under, under ground thing? I know this it like to this day. Yeah, what happened? Is there like an under? You've been doing. Under ground thing. I know this demon needs to explain themselves to this. Maybe it's other world pop corn is being made. Ha ha ha ha. Hell pop corn is happening. It's really intense.

That'd be great. Well, Captain Fred Clark of the Saginaw County Sheriff's Department said, quote, I would say to a doubter, in case any of your doubters, not to doubt. There are a lot of things that happen in this world that are unexplainable, and I would also say that many of these things were not to know. I mean, yeah, I agree. I'm like, all right. Yeah. Sure, but I want to know. Like I want to know what's going on curiosity. It sounds like a cop saying I'm not gonna work on this. Exactly. Yeah. He was like, you know what? Don't doubt it. We didn't lie. But I'm not going in there. And I'm not here. Yeah, that's a don't ask me about it anymore.

A retired sergeant of the Sagnaw Sheriff's Department, Charles Frisbee was quoted as saying great name. Great name. I'm sorry. Charles Frisbee. You should be in your film. Officer Frisbee. He's in.

He said, you got to. He said, quote, this dice road corridor is kind of strange. We have the cemetery on one end and the parmarineing home up the road. I heard the noise, I saw stuff out there. I don't know how to explain it, but I'll tell you one thing, I saw it. Which they're all very cryptic.

They are, they don't tell you much, but they tell you everything. They belong in a film. These are all very like just those one liners and then walk away into the mist. They belong in a soap. Yeah. Their hair came out of the white. Yeah. Yeah. Their hair came out all white.

Yeah. Yeah. No, another official complaint said that the family heard voices through the walls that quote, something or someone was talking and threatening to kill Harold and his family and also banging on the walls. Leave.

This is when I think they started packing up, bye. But they had to wait a little bit. So the family had the electric company and Michigan Bell out to investigate because they were like, maybe it's some kind of weird, falter, or thing, or they found no disturbances to explain the things that they were experiencing. And then the parmerannings had priests come in, because that's always like your last-ditch effort is like, you just bring the clergy in. Let's do it happen.

Throw the priest up. Yeah, why not? But they said the nights after the house were blessed or some of the worst nights they had. Oh, that's a demon. That's a demon. You have a demon, sir. Hello, you've been demon.

That's absolutely a demon. This, I mean, this literally should be the plot of the next conjuring. Yes. They have you have gotten some inspiration from here. Any Patrick Wilson, exactly. Yeah, like some Amityville. This is very Amityville. Yeah.

Like the walls cracking and stuff. That's creepy. Like did they bleed too? I know, like what happened here. But they also had more researchers come in to see if there was any logical explanation and they had stayed overnight at the home to witness everything firsthand and no one could explain it, but no one could deny that it was happening either. They all came out and said, I heard it, I saw it, I felt it, I smelled it, but I don't

know what it is. Wow. And it's an aggressive demon. Yes. That's it. Whatever it is, because usually he's like Mr. Ed, reference, where he like, he won't talk in front of anybody else, but you know, it's like it was apparently usually he's like Mr. Ed. Yeah. He won't talk in front of anybody else. It was apparently maybe it was an old actor.

I know, right? You never know. Or it was like, all right, I definitely wasn't a toddler when you're trying to be like, Hey, tell everybody those amazing words that you know how to say. He claimed. You're like, I swear, you're such a genius. But yeah, he was, this demon was ready to show anybody and everybody. It almost seemed like I was showing off a little bit.

Yeah, definitely. Especially to like the priests. Yeah, like I show you, firefighters come in and it's like, look, I can start a fire. I wish Anna could put it out. Please come over and it's like, look, I can mock a home invasion. Look, we don't need you. It just molds to whoever comes in. Yeah, it's true.

Maybe you're just trying to get a job. Yeah, maybe he's like, I can do all of this. Look how great I am. I can start a fire and put it out. I am a multi-faceted damit. Dive. Now, the police department actually put the home under constant surveillance, but at one point they didn't let the family know they were doing this,

because then they were trying to be like, okay, maybe we will catch them kind of messing around like, yeah. But there was times when the family would request that they would survey the home, but sometimes they did it without them knowing. And one time when Sergeant Frisbee there, our guy Charles, he was doing, he's always there.

He was doing watch outside the home, and he said, as he pulled into the driveway, the big outside light that was over the door just went out. he was like oh, maybe it's like a motion thing or something But he heard a weird noise when it happened so he went over to it and he realized that it had literally Exploded when he had driven into the driveway like the light had just exploded He was like so it didn't just go out not literally Combusted just as I drove in the drive. He's like I so it didn't just go out. Not literally combusted. Just as I drove in the drive, he's like, I watched it with my two eyes.

Like, saw it. What help forever? And went out forever. Neighbors, like I said, who grew up near the Palmer Annnings, said they wouldn't even go in the yard. They would not go near this place. And there was a story shared in the documentary

that you guys have to watch. I'll link it in the show notes. And there is. It's a really interesting one too. Oh, fun. And a family friend whose dad was a homicide detective said that Harold's the dad of this family had told his father, who was the homicide detective, that a woman who lived across the street

from their home asked about buying the house at one point. And the told her no. And the Palmer Annnings were not selling their home. So they were like, Oh, no, we're like not selling because we're going to live with this demon for a little bit. She was like, you will be soon. Like we want to see if we can make this work. We haven't bonded yet. We're going to see if we can get there if not. But she was aggravated. She like really wanted to buy the sauce. And she repeatedly kept coming back and getting more and more aggressive about asking to buy the property. And she repeatedly kept coming back and getting more and more aggressive

about asking to buy the property. And he was like, we're not selling lady, like go away. And she was pissed when they refused. So Harold believed that she may have cursed the home. Because he was like, so even she's a witch. And she cursed the home. And one of the other neighbors in the doc said this woman actually had told her personally that she was a practicing witch

Okay, and she referred to it as quote an ordained which we're not like what the hell does that mean? Very official Do you have a card who orders you? Yeah, do you have a license to practice? Where do I get where do I find that website online? That's that I was like a a Nord-Damed Witch. Like, that's- Nord-Damed Witch.com. It seems very like counterintuitive. I don't know.

But she was like that lady out of a drag me to hell. Yes. That's exactly it. And I'm like, did she just walk up to you? Because this woman is like an adult now. And I was like, so were you a child? And she just came up to you and was like, hey, girl, I'm a witch.

I'm a Nord-Damed Witch. up to you and was like, hey girl, I'm a witch. I'm an ordained witch. Just letting you know. It's a guard. I know, right. You can't end this. I don't know. But people in the area saw her, which I was like, okay, well, this could be me.

Because they were like, that's like, don't, I don't know about this. People were like, yeah, she loved being in the cemetery. She'd walk through it at night. And I was like, well, that is peaceful. Yeah, get off her back. Yeah. She'd walk through it at night, and I was like, well, that is peaceful. Get off her back. Like that she was visiting someone, we've her alone.

And she apparently had three big black X's above her garage door. That's pretty iconic. Which is pretty iconic. Yeah, I was gonna say. All right, you know, like whatever. Just like living like liver, I don't know. But apparently so that was their whole explanation for it.

They were like, this is what happened. You know, Lady Curse, the X's were just teenagers. You're in the last time you're home. Like an intervener. When you, if you put a curse on a place, are you like unleashing demons on them? Like, or the curse just like the floor will jump around. Like, that's what I think. I don't think that a curse would be like, I'm going to summon a demon

from the underworld to come live with you. Well, I would think that a curse is just what you deserve, like the rule of three by three. That's true. So what she got from them, she gave back by three, which it's like, if that's the case, just saying I'm not going to sell you my house, that's like pretty. Yeah. It sounds like there's more to the story. There's pretty disproportionate as it is.

But we don't know how rude Harold was and what their neighborly maybe there was, there had to have been a reason she really wanted that house. Yeah, and the way I see it is this might be bullshit. That's all that. And then either she came over, it was like, can I buy the house?

And they were like, we're not selling and she was like, that sucks. And then either she came over, it was like, can I buy the house? And they were like, we're not selling. And she was like, that sucks. And then just walked away. And they were like, she's a witch. She's a witch. Yeah, I was like, a witch. And that is like Salem 1692. And they're just like, well, that's that.

But I think it was just like someone trying to come up with a reason. I don't think it was actual. I don't think she actually cursed it. Or she made it any kind of like, I think. Well, Harold's getting kind of a clean slate on this. Like, was he a Jackass or was he, I guess Harold was not a bad guy. Like, I get that's the other reason I don't think he was like super mean to this lady.

Because it doesn't sound like he was a mean guy. Like, he cared about his family at least. He was trying to protect them. Maybe something happened in that house before they bought it. Yeah. And it was like all the lingering energy. Or in that land. Yeah, that land. Did he really care about his family, though? I know.

That's all it does. He was like, let's go back for a second. How much? Maybe you can go tell. Yeah, maybe not. Because once the thing starts threatening your family, I think it's time to go live in the woods for a little while. Yeah, I would do that. Yeah, I would.

Yeah, I would. I would even a family member like, hey mom, can we stay with you? And I was just threatening to kill us. She's like, no, sorry, I don't bring that here. But I will say they didn't last long in the house. This happened in a very short period of time. So like, I guess they did their best because they lasted a little over a year. And so this wasn't like years and years of him being like, well, you know, like,

right, Harold. He's probably like, they're trying to come up with reasons for this. But then a fire in the home actually caused them to have to move out. It was such a, it was a large fire. Oh, that's scary. And kind of like chase them out. And what's really sad is that Harold actually passed away shortly after leaving the home of a heart attack.

Oh, no. And family and neighbors think that it could have been like a breakdown from the events that they experienced in the house. Yeah, that's a lot of stress. Yeah. Which now the owners, I won't say their names, just because like, I don't know, I think they still live there. Yeah.

They've been there for more than like 40 years. So have they experienced anything? I think they've, if they have experienced things and they're not, I don't think they're talking about it, but they're still there. I think Harold had an enemy in the underworld. They, yeah, I think something went down. Well, and I think one of their, one of the owners now, one of their family members, did say that the only thing that they know that happened in the house like of late is that there was a like some strange things like things getting moved around, but nothing like very aggressive.

But they said there was an antique radio that wasn't plugged in and it would go and it turns on by itself. Oh, no. It's like nightmare right there. When it's not plugged in and it's turning on, I'm like, nope, that's not for me. Yeah, that's not for me. Oh my gosh, I got like serious chills from that. Yeah, that's a bad one. I don't like that. Yeah, it's a little scary.

But they do say that there's a ghost of a woman that people have seen over the years that is not associated with the house, but is associated with the road. But I think maybe like, maybe there's something potential here. Like why is she just independent from this crazy haunted house that's sitting on the roof?

Right, like I don't know. But they don't really know a lot about her origin story. There's like the, you know, she was like a jilted lover and like her lover died. Or she's like a mom whoed lover and like her lover died or she's a, like a mom who lost her bit. There's all different like iterations of like. Or his name was Harold.

Or his name was Harold. But she, they've seen her over the years. People see her at the cemetery at the end of the road. And she's usually just walking around in weird hours, wandering in the woods. She looks sad. I'm also like, is this a lady from across the house? That's what I was gonna say.

Star Wars Cemetery. Or is this her ghost to she even alive still? Ooh. What's going on here? And then the one story I could find that was actually in like a little bit of like an old newspaper clipping was there was this woman named Anna Rhodes Millerton and she actually killed herself in 1830

after losing her lover. Harold. Harold, there you go. And this is the one that they think is roaming the cemetery. Like she could be. Oh, I see. And then I'm like, was the old lady even real? Or was she a ghost and she came over? I'm just saying. I like that. Just that's a good theory. Yeah. And a lot of local residents won't even go down this road at night because they say it's so scary and you get like a weird feeling on that road. I mean, I would not go down that road during the day. I would absolutely go down that road.

Of course you would. I'm much ex. Let's go. Yeah. I wonder if the people who bought that house know any of this and if they hear this episode will they be moving out of the yellow? Oh, they're like, oh, I feel like, wait a second.

Wait, is that us? Wait a second. Sweetie, that sounds like our house. I don't know if they're... I thought you were burning toilet paper. I feel like, sweeties. I thought you did that specially for me. But I thought it was romantic.

But there is that documentary. It's called The Haunting on Dice Road. It's by Steve. And I think his name is Steve Prozac Shippy. It's pretty nice. So awesome. That's the other character. Some of Mr. Fruits being there. But I don't know if the family now has anything to do with the documentary. I didn't watch the whole thing, but maybe they're a part of it, I don't know.

But that is the case of that haunted house, and I want to go and see it, but people live there. I think we should contact them and say, hey, can I come over? Yeah, it's like an unsolved mystery. I want closure on this. That's the thing. I tried to look too to see if anybody had brought like a Ouija board in there,

which I know you're like very against. No, I'm not doing that, but like somebody else. But yeah, like did someone? Yeah, like get some answers, talk to someone, have any like ghost hunters, they probably can't because his family living there and I don't think the family's like sure. Come on in. Right. Yeah, you think those shows would be all over this.

Yeah, but this is just one of those that we have to be like, what the hell was that? For real? A demon. That's the answer. A demon. A demon. Well, we're going to call it a day. Yeah, that's what it was. I know, that was, that was freaky.

Yeah, so Dice Road. I don't think my hotel that I'm gonna tell you about has any fires or sporadic combustion, but it's pretty haunted. Ooh, I'm gonna tell you about the Holly Hotel. Have you been there? Ooh, Holly Michigan? Yes.

Oh, I've been to Holly. I haven't been to the Holly Hotel. All right, well, let me tell you about it then. The Holly Hotel was built and founded by a man named John Hurst back in 1892, so lots of time for haunting. And way back then, Holly was, oh, I just closed out of my mouth. I feel like for the moment. Let me leave you on your edge. That's it. That's it.

It's just old. So way back then, Holly was just starting to kind of boom and really become like a hustle and bustle in town because of the new railroad lines that were passing through. And the area near the hotel, especially nearby Martha Street, started really going crazy with activity once that railroad was installed. And soon enough, over 25 trains would pass through Holly Daily, which was a lot back then. And to take advantage of this clear opportunity, the town started building saloons and bars and hotels for all these patrons, which kind of led to Martha Street becoming a bit of a

hot spot for drunken fights and just like straight up violence, you know, the 1800s of it all. Exactly. Nobody had anything better to do. So before long, the street would actually become known as battle alley because there were so many fights taking place there. Wow. Wow. Kind of bad ass, but like also not great. Yeah.

Luckily for John Hurst, those passing through battle alley that after they were done with their their fights and thrown blows, they would usually need a place to rest their head for the night after all that traveling, drinking, and fighting. So John Hurst opened this hotel and he named it after himself at first. So it was known as the Hurst Hotel originally, or sometimes Hurst House, which just sounds like a TikTok home. Hurst House? It's kind of a badass name, I guess. It is. I like it. And that's spooky. I feel like it's the Hurst House. That's way spookyer.

Yeah. It sounds like the Hurst House and it's hungry for house. That's way spooky. Yeah, it sounds like a thirst house. And it's like hungry for you. A thirst house. You can open a bar and call it the thirst house. Oh, they go. I like that a lot. There's a bar outside, so it works out.

And if it was the first one on the block, you could call it first house. First house, first house, and then stop by thirst house. First house and the first house. Yes. And then it could be a rap song. Oh, there you go. We invented rap in the UK. Look at that. So he was said to have built it with his wife, Lydia, in mind.

And it showed because the place was absolutely gorgeous. She had very good taste. It had an elegant dining room. That many people of social status would din in. It had running water and electricity, which was a very big luxury at the time. It was three stories high. And it was a very big luxury at the time. It was three stories high and it was built with brick because John Hurst had previously owned the exchange hotel, which burned down on the same site earlier in 1892. I was burying the lead. It's

weird that your story had to do with fire because there's so much fire in mine. You're like just kidding. The most fire. It's a lot. I like how he learned from the three little pigs. Yeah. Like his house burned down. He was like, make it out of bricks. That would happen.

You would think that wouldn't happen. That's the way. This spot is, it's got to be haunted by some kind of fire demon. Oh. So unfortunately, Hurst House slash Holly Hotel would catch fire more than once over the following years. John Hurst would no longer own the hotel during these disasters, but some people don't think he's ever left in the first place. But before he died, and after he opened the hotel late in 1892, John and his wife Lydia and their children in Puppy would often be seen in the hotel.

They would have Sunday dinners, and John would always be around to make sure that things were running smoothly. And the Sunday dinners were a really big thing while they were owners. And John was a man that liked everything just so. So he would smoke a cigar as he walked around the hotel and tell like tell everybody what needed to be done. And they said that the family was very happy in the hotel. But sadly Lydia passed away the wife 11 years after the hotel was built. And one year after her death in 1904, John got remarried and decided to sell the hotel two years after that in August of 1906. Pretty quick, John.

Yeah, he was. We're not going to say anything. I'm just pointing out. Exactly. What are you doing, guys? Quick turnaround, saying, could it be an unwelow I'm just pointing out. Exactly. What are you doing guys? Quick turnaround, saying, couldn't be an unwelomely, very lonely man. Yeah, yeah.

So he sold the hotel to a man first, he first sold it to a man named Alfred Jones. But after less than a week, the hotel changed hands again, which is kind of sketchy. And was put into a man named FW Johnson's name. That's a much better name. It's so much better. Yeah, FW Johnson's name. Now during... That's a much better name. So much hotel.

Yeah, FW. Alfred Jones, what do you mean? Yeah, you didn't need to own that hotel. This is FW Johnson's hotel. But during that time, it seems like John Hurst wasn't totally ready to give the hotel up yet, so he was still kind of coming in and checking on things. And I think at first he was actually leasing the hotel for a little bit to kind of see how things were going. Yeah.

Now, in 1907, the hotel caught fire for the first time. And weirdly, some sources don't recognize that as the first fire. A lot of times, you'll hear that this hotel caught fire two times, but actually three. Ooh. Trying to hide that third one. Yeah, it's probably because this one wasn't

the most treacherous fire in the hotel's history, but like that fire sucked. So we're not gonna talk about it. Crucified. It's a fire. It's a flame fire. Because it also doesn't totally line up with the spookiness of the other two fires. Okay. But was anybody injured in these fires? Not this first one. Oh, okay. So that's why. Yeah, so there was no casualties here. Exactly. So the first fire in 1907 destroyed the roof and the damage is totaled $5,000. And from my research, it doesn't look like anyone was hurt. And luckily, the hotel was able to be restored in just a few weeks. And when it reopened, it did so under the name, Holly in. So that's how got the name. Now, just a year later in 1908, the hotel

would see more fire reaction, but this time in human form, Carrie Nation, a very well-known activist who was part of a conference movement, who would snatch it. She came along with her axe, Paul. You knew it. And she came with her followers to attack the haulie in. They were against alcohol and any establishment that would sell it. So in August 29th, 1908, she and her supporters stormed the town of haulie and would soon head to the inn, literally clubbing people with umbrellas to get into this place. Oh my god. Once they were inside. That's whole timey fun. That is all timey fun.

It's all too terrifying. Look, like those are sharp especially back then. Oh my god, I'm going to be pissed. Imagine her just running by you and clubbing you with an umbrella. I would be so mad. I would throw hands. I would tackle her. You're like, that would be it.

Honestly. So, and imagine like you own this establishment? Yeah, so once they were inside and carry on a load of the decor, which included less than modest photos of ladies on the wall. They were a little makey. She went bananas and she whipped out her axe and started smashing whiskey bottles and cursing the place. Come on. The police were called pretty quickly and Carrie was thrown in jail. The next day, Governor Fred Warner visited the hotel to address the public incident, which

is funny because from that point forward a lot of governors would come stay at the Holly. Now, the next fire took place on January 19, 1913. One year earlier, the hotel had been sold again to a man named Joseph P. Allen, and he changed the name to the Allen Dorf hotel, which was a bit of a nod to the Waldorf. I was just going to say, come on. And it wasn't even original because he was just ripping off the wall door. Yeah, no. And it's like the Allen door. That just sounds like somebody's evil headquarters.

If I ever get a hotel, I'm getting a name with the Elena door, the earth door, the earth door. I like the earth door, actually. That's a good one. No. What this fire again destroyed the upper roof and this time the upper two floors, but Allen was again able to rebuild and it doesn't look like anyone was hurt. No, when he did, he lowered the roof, which actually got rid of the upper two floors that were in the towers of the hotel.

Now the hotel was still multiple stories, but he hoped that it would actually solve the fire issue that seemed to always happen on the roof. And they would find the source of the fire, but it wouldn't make sense. Like they'd be like, yeah, the started here, but why? Because I was gonna say, I left, I was like, I don't know, let's try and just get in rid of a couple of stories and see if that's the fires

from such. Yeah, the problem's with it. We get somebody in here. But so while he was remodeling, he redid the hotel. And he did it mostly in a Victorian style. There was dark wood, deep velvet fabric, which, I don't know if you want to, if you want to decorate your hotel with velvet directly after a fire.

I would chance it, you know, I would chance it. Yeah, I see there goes worth it. I love a velvet moment. I'll endorphus starting to sound like me. Right. I'm chance it. You know, I would chance it. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment.

I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment.

I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet moment. I love a velvet Yes. I expect nothing less. I'm saying the new Akutra Mons attracted people

from all over the world. And the hotel again was bustling with the world's finest guest in no time. And these people would wear their most luxurious clothing to attend the Sunday dinner, which was still huge. I would go there. Right? This is just seeming right up your alley right now.

Yeah, exactly. I think when Carrie comes in and smashes everything, yeah, yeah. Are you boober? We don't want that. Get out of here, Carrie. I think when Carrie comes in and smashes everything, yeah, yeah, we don't want that. Get out of here, Carrie. It's funny. There's actually a bar named after her in Boston, and I had my own photos in there. Oh, that's hilarious. I'm really sticking it to Carrie.

She needs to read a copy of Cocktail Time and then write. She writes. She needs to see the aesthetic of it all. Grow up, Carrie. It has some grown up fun. But so Sunday dinners were huge, but now they cost 50 cents to get into. So it was a little exclusive. Ooh, there you go.

And again, this is post-depression. So it was a pretty penny food. That's a lot. Yeah. Now, as the years passed, the hotel would survive two world wars, the depression, and a lot of other crazy stuff. But as those years went by, less and less people were traveling through the town, the nearby opera house had closed its doors,

and then eventually the nearby theater would do the same. And the bustling life in Hawley just wasn't so bustly anymore. So by the 70s, the hotel soon just became a regular old hotel where people could stay, you could get pizza there if you wanted to and a beer. Oh, I'm out, But it was so forget it. And it would again catch fire. Of course it did. This fire took place on January 19th, 1978

and got this exactly 65 years to the day, to the hour some people say of the last fire. Really? Because they introduced peace and beer on the dot. That's exactly it. This demon liked the elegance. It was like, it's not like I'm sad. I'm out. Yeah, I'm going to expand a gong song.

He's like, you know what? He's going to get a nice dinner. Oh, pizza. He's like, what's the beer? Let's know. A man plays. It's like burning to the ground. How weird. That's weird. That's up here? Let's look. Like a mad place. Like burn into the ground. Oh, you go.

Oh, weird thing. That's weird. That's really crazy. To the day. To the day. To the hour some people say, I wasn't there, so I don't know. You were? Not in the 70s.

Although I wish. You belonged there, though. I did. So this fire was due to faulty wiring, I guess. They were able to find the source of this one. Yeah, yeah. And the new order, George. Excuse me, George. Good, George.

What, Lee, and no? I'm gonna say, sorry, George. Sorry, George. Sorry, George. Good, George. He quickly got to work afterwards, and he restored the hotel to all its original glory. Oh.

I think he kind of took a note and was like, bad things are happening. Let's put this springy out of the ghost to be. Yeah. He took great pride in the project. He used a ton of the original elements of the hotel and he used everything original that he could when he rebuilt. The stair railing from the 1800s that led to the upper floors of the hotel is now a railing on the main floor. The back bar of the hotel was reconstructed using materials that were actually in first,

in the first Cunningham's drugstore, which is nearby. And the doorway arches were reconstructed to allow full access to all of the main floors, the dining rooms and the banquet halls. So once it reopened, it finally became known officially as just Holly Hotel, not the Hallian and opened up as a restaurant this time where you could also stay. And fun fact, since it reopened in 1979, every state governor has eaten there. Whoa. And President George H. W. Bush also did his campaign in 1992 and dined there. But soon after the haulian was reopened, he was there. Yeah.

He was there, yay. Since you were there for the Hollywood was reopened, moving away from that. He did that, I don't know. He ate and he did. He had to beat some. Yeah. It became super popular again. And it was also put on the National Register of Historic Places in the US. And since then, many guests who have spent time at the hotel say they've had their own paranormal experience. Yeah. One famous professor of parapsychology,

and actually somebody who was trying to debunk the haunted claims of everybody was Norman Gauthier. And he visited the hotel in 1989, like I said, fully intent on debunking all the haunts. But instead, he left saying that the place was truly, quote unquote, loaded with spirits. Oh, wow. I love the idea that he was like, nah, nothing's real here.

I'm blessed and he was like, don't go there. He's like, it's literally the cup overflow with spirits. Yeah. They are packed. They are there. So, one of the main haunts that people will tell you about is that they smell cigar smoke. Ah, I knew this cigar smoke. It's true. I knew the cigar was gonna come back.

I told you. No, they say it seemingly comes out of nowhere and like Paul remembered, if you remember, the original owner, John Hurst, was a big cigar smoker. He did pass away in the 20s, but people who smell the cigars or who see his full body apparition, hell yeah. Think of that.

Yeah, he's still hanging out at the hotel, making sure that things are being kept in tip top shape. People who actually see him are like, I think maybe he's hanging around. No, I think that's John. I think he is. Yeah. But people will see him wearing a knee length coat

paired with his top hat. Top hat full circle pulp. Oh, look at that. Wait a minute, here we go. Look at that. It's me. It's me. I think sometimes even see him smoking a cigar. That's a great way to come back. go. Wait a minute. It's me. It's me. It's me.

It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me.

It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's me. It's because he wasn't happy about them. But in my mind, since the hotel was being restored to its original glory, he probably just wanted to oversee it and make sure everything was going well. Yeah. I mean, this smells to me like whatever spirits are in this hotel were fancy spirits. Oh, absolutely. And, you know, so that one of the place was nice

when they went to fell into pizza time, then they were like, bring that shit down. Yeah, they were like, start anew. They were like, fuck these fires. We're doing this bring that shit down. Yeah, they're like, start anew. They were like, all these wires were doing this. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think he was just maybe frustrated that he technically wasn't in charge anymore.

If there was anything going on there, I was going to say, because I know that I will come back and be frustrated that I am no longer in charge of things. Yeah. So I'll probably just be like, overseeing everybody all the time. Especially if they're not going so great to begin with, yeah, like somebody starts tearing stuff out of our house. I'm gonna wait a minute. Wait a second.

Yeah, I'm gonna start a fire. I'm gonna fault the wires. Hands off that wouldn't go or. Yeah, that's fine. People have also heard him in a more jovial way when they hear faint baritone laughter that many believe is him. That's adorable.

And they have actually been previous hotel goers who say they've seen him and heard him speak. Ooh. But that seems to be a pretty rare occurrence. Now what's he laughing at? Like if I was in the bathroom, I heard laughter. I think I would enjoy that. Exactly.

There's certain times in your life when you hear, like, baritone laughter, you're like, uh, are you laughing at me? You know about this. I think he's just happy. Yeah, he's just, he's just John. Now, this one I love, people also claim that the Hearst family dogs still roams the halls.

Oh, yeah. They say that barking with no source has been reported, and it's been heard by many of the chefs who work the first morning shift. And some guests have seen a dog similar to a rat terrier tearing down the hallways, which is exactly kind of the dog they had. Ooh. And sometimes the pupil even brush up against your leg. Oh my god, I would die.

So cute. You would die. Exactly. So maybe that's how they're explaining their little rat issue. They're like, oh, that's actually a dog. That's the dog. It's the donor. Yeah.

That barking you here, a dog. And that dog's name was Leonahurst. The herst, Leonah? Oh, that's great. Sweet Leonahurst. Really? That's amazing. I think it's a perfect name.

I love that's like those, that's what Ritzy people name their dog. My favorite thing is dogs named like straight up human names. Yeah. Oh, it's a great. I was wondering if you have a dog like Ted or something. Yeah, that's my fiance has a dog named Ted. Yes. Oh, yeah. He was has a dog named Ted. Yes.

Oh, yeah. He was named after theodore Roosevelt. There you go. We had saw a dog at the dog park once named Kevin. And I thought it was, that's like the best name for a dog. Our dog was almost named Kevin. We really got him when we, I was doing Ghostbusters. And it was a toss up.

Do we call him Buster, like G-Buster's name? Or should we call him Kevin? And we took all these in the park. We took like a survey of people in the park and Kevin lost out by like two votes. Oh, the Buster is a good one. I like G-Buster. Yeah, I like G-Buster.

What kind of dog do you have? He's a Scotty. He's got a good dog. Oh, so cute. So cute. I love it. I love that. So that's their family dog.

Now, the next hunt is another one that will appeal to your sense of smell. Many people will get whiffs of perfume again, seemingly out of nowhere. And the perfume is described as being a flowery and sweet scent. And many people believe that it belongs to one of the former hostesses of the hotel, Miss Nora Kane. Oh, wow. Now, on good authority from the staff at the hotel, Miss Nora Kane. Oh, wow. Now, on good authority from the staff at the hotel, she's most often spotted in the bar area,

which makes sense because she worked there. And in the back hallway, which used to be the main entrance to the hotel. Now Nora is also known to be, or was also known to be a music lover in her day. So now the piano will start playing with no source, and people think it's Nora. That's the best

She also loves a good wedding pretty much anytime there's a wedding at the Holly she will show up in the background of people's photos You need to get married at the Holly. I know I'm You later. Yeah, it's a caterer charge you for that extra head She's eaten dinner. she's got to pay. Trust me. That's right. You're right. But people will look back on their photos,

and they'll know it's her, because there's actually a photo of her hanging in the lobby of the hotel. Now, when people who haven't seen that photo spot Nora in their pictures, they describe her as graceful, small, and wearing a dress. She's small, small. But what's weird is that they usually say she doesn't appear to them completely. Her body is seemingly cut off at the ends. And she only materializes down to her knees. She had legs. I don't love that.

So as soon as she meets her demise, not getting cut? No. Oh, she didn't die that way. So weird. She's like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like,

you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like,

you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, you're like, Crazy, she's just so parting. But like I said, she's not the only ghost that shows up to people cut off at the knees. There was once a Native American man spotted in one of the dining rooms. He was actually spotted by owner Chrissy,

who owns the hotel with her husband, George. It was a Thursday morning, she said back in February of 1996, and she was getting ready for the Thursday afternoon tea event. She said it was early in the morning, so she was just checking out the room, seeing what they needed to get ready for the Thursday afternoon tea event. She said it was early in the morning, so she was just checking out the room, seeing what they needed to get ready for the day. And she said, as she walks into the dining room, she saw this man kind of hovering there,

cut off at the knees. What? She said they locked eyes. And she said he was, quote, just as real as anything else in the room, except that he had no feet. Now strangely, and with like floating, I was floating. But strangely, this is the first and last time

he's ever been seen. Really? Wow. She's the only one to have seen him, but she like is adamant that she saw him. Just pass him through. Now, one of the final and said to be the most active of the haunts takes place in the kitchen.

And this one's like really creepy and I need to know so much more about this, but there's not a lot on it. There's either one or two children who really love to get chaotic with it in the kitchen. I don't like kid ghosts. I don't either. I don't like kids.

And some people actually believe that if it's one ghost, that it's Nora Kane's daughter. And they think actually that that is why Nora's wearing black in her photo, they say she's wearing a morning dress. Ooh, in the lobby. Now it's unclear whether or not there's any validity to that, but there's also a theory that it could be the ghost of a little girl

who was killed in a nearby accident at a stable down the road. Or actually, excuse me, not down the road. The stable is where the parking lot of the hotel is now. Oh, it used to be a stable. So whether it's one girl around, just seriously. Never good. Never watch Poltergeist.

Oh, so whether it's one ghost or two, they're actually having the time of their life in that kitchen. And this is where I don't like this. They are most drawn to the meat cleaver. Oh, Jesus. What the fuck? Yes.

I didn't see that coming. They just move around the meat cleaver throughout the kitchen. Oh, my God. What's up, setting? They move other things, but they say the thing that is most often moved is the meat cleaver. I'm like, they are trying to tell you something

and you are not listening. I thought you were going to say something cute like the standing mixer. No. Because it makes mixer. No, because it makes kicks. They're not interested in kicks. They're interesting and pulverizing. Wow. So creepy. Now that's the best thing. I also love to run up and down the stairs of the hallway. And one of the possible two of them appeared during a sands in the 90s and was described as being between nine and 13 years old, which is exactly how I describe most children.

I'm like, there was just for this sex in 24. I'm terrible at taking ages with red hair. And during that say-ons, the little girl was the only ghost to show herself. It was me. I knew you were gonna say that. You do look between nine and 13. There you go.

And then Honorable Mention goes to the third floor of the hotel, which is rumored to be closed off because of the hauntings that are just too much to handle. I love that. They're not even reported. But get this. Most recently in June of 2022, the hotel caught fire again. So this is like the fourth fire. It's currently closed actually, actually temporarily while they are trying to rebuild it. But the fire this time was so bad that it actually destroyed many other buildings nearby. Oh, I don't know. And they're hoping they can reopen during summertime in 2023. And luckily they say they still have a lot of important historical paintings and photos thanks to Fire Chief Steve McGee, so shout out to him and his responding firefighters. They were able to run in there and like take all this all the

good stuff the important historical stuff before it got destroyed. Wow. Wow. Did they start serving pizza again? That's what I was wondering like. I would think that George and Chrissy wouldn't just wouldn't serve pizza. They know better. Yeah. You'd think you'd learn your lesson, but not George. Not George, not George. George wouldn't end George. You wouldn't end George. You would've done it.

But yeah, if you're ever in Michigan, stay at the Holly Hotel and let us know what you see. Yeah. And go drive down Dice Road. No, don't do that. Yeah, there. Well, I mean, it must have been a great place to work. If nobody wanted to leave it, even after they died.

Yeah. I think so. John really liked it. Yeah, he loved it. And I loved it. And I just liked it. And I just liked it. And I just liked it. And I just liked it. Yeah, I think so. John really liked it. Yeah, he loved it. And I love it. Or it just plays the piano. Yeah, she loves it. Very white lotus if you watch some of the time of a relic. Yeah, you've been to the like the magic castle. You've been there when they got Irma, the piano that knows. No, but I want we're we're going to be going. Yeah, we are actually.

Oh, yeah, it's fun. It's very fun. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, that's it. Because I was going to say when you said play the piano, they have those that like play on their own creepy. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, that's why because I was gonna say when you said play the piano They have those that like play on their own creepy. Yeah, so people There you go up and you you like ask a question and answer you and so yeah, oh, that's cool. I didn't know that. Oh, yeah It's really fun. I like that a lot. That's really rad. Well, this was so much fun. Thank you for coming on Yeah, oh, thank you for having me. That's it first of all, I just they had the greatest time I love you guys and also it's fun to hear some of the good Michigan ghost stories. Yay. I know now you're going to have something to talk about when you go back to Michigan.

Yeah, it's for sure. It's a great time. You can warn everybody. That's right. No, thanks so much. It was just so much fun. And I just honestly, this is the best podcast going. Oh, thank you so much.

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