Morbid - Episode 443: The Horrific Murder of Marina Calabro with Jonathan Van Ness

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Holy shit guys, we had a CELEB in the house today! Well not like in the house, but on the zoom. THE ONE, THE ONLY..... JVN *sound the alarm* We talk all things Bravo, True Crime and Olympics related. We also tell JVN a gnarly story out of Quincy MA since he's from Quincy IL. It was a grand time, so please enjoy!Go check out Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness anywhere you listen to podcasts and on Netflix!Thank you so much to David White for research excellenceReferencesCowperthwaite, Wheeler. 2022. "Quincy inheritance murder case on new Investigation Discovery show." Patriot Ledger, May 18.Difazio, Joe. 2021. "Man who plotted to kill his Quincy great-aunt for inheritance has been granted parole." Patriot Ledger, December 31.Ellement, John R. 2002. "DA: Woman, 84, Fought Killer." Boston Globe, October 29.—. 2006. "Former Norton Man Admits Role in Slaying of Aunt." Boston Globe, June 10.—. 2006. "Jury Hears Details of Bludgeoning ." Boston Globe, March 4.—. 2006. "Man Gets Life Sentence in Killing." Boston Globe, March 17.—. 2006. "Witness Tells of Grisly Murder." Boston Globe, March 10.Leiner, Gabriel. 2006. "First trial set in Quincy murder." Patriot Ledger, February 16.Linton, David. 2022. "Ex-Norton man granted parole for role in 2001 murder of his elderly great-aunt." Sun Chronicle, January 3.Quimby, Beth. 2002. "Friendship and Betrayal: Moments of terror for informant who says best friend' recounted Quincy murder." Patriot Ledger, November 2.Sack, Jessica Van. 2002. "Police Call Fatal 'Fall' a Killing; Kin Hed." Boston Globe, October 27.See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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through. Truly. This was amazing. Such a delight. Oh my god. We had a lot of fun. We were laughing, we were joking about a lot of stuff, but we also had a really gnarly true crime case pushed in there somewhere. But I just want to let you guys know we have a lot of chitchat. We talk about Vanderpump rules. Oh, I had to fill JVM on the tee. But don't worry, I feel like me and you are going to have a more detailed discussion next time. Yeah, I think we are. We can't get over this vendor, the scandal of all of it all. Scandal of all. But yeah, this was a lot of fun. This was definitely a chit chat episode,

but I promise you guys there's a very, very intense true crime case thrown in there as well. Yes, and the reason why we picked this specific case is because it was in Quincy and Jonathan is from Quincy So we were thinking like oh, let's tell him about our Quincy because he's from Quincy Illinois We did a Quincy Massachusetts case you we did that you see what we did see what we did there But I mean without further ado here it is Hey weirdo's I'm Ash. And I'm Elena.

And I'm Jonathan Fiendass. This is an extra special episode of Morbid! We have Jonathan Van Ness from Getting Curious, the podcast, or you could watch it on Netflix and of course, Query Eye, which is also on Netflix. And of like every other human project that you could ever take on as a human. Like you learn to be a gymnast, you are a stand-up comedian, you're a hairdresser, you're a beautiful soul. You're also from our dreams.

Welcome to the show. I'm also someone who's gonna have to go clean up the pilot shit that they just shot in their pants. I am too. Like just like top, like my Spotify, I'm like top.001% morbid, like super, I'm literally like, I love you guys so much. I love you, which I, you're like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I'm like our social vernacular is like we have more separation than what I was we do

anticipating Love you more. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you have so many things to learn you know, but there's an episode of SpongeBob Where they all enter each other's dreams and that's what's happening right now right here today This is also what happens every time you mentioned SpongeBob to me. I'm like I don't know I'm a you but it's fun to learn. Yeah, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

Because you watch like Bob's Burgers or family guy or South Park? I watch Bob's Burgers sometimes. Love. Those are my three adult cartoons. And we were a family guy house. You were a family guy house. I've seen family guy.

But like I told you earlier, I only watch Bravo. Well I watch Bravo. I like that. I like that you're clear on what you want. Yeah, yes, yes. I know. I simply if you I only watch Bravo. Well, I like Bravo. I like that. I like that you're clear on what you want. Yes, yes, I know. I simply if you don't watch Bravo. There's a giant scandal happening right now. The huge scandal.

The Bravo. I do want to know about that. So it's like, but it's like, it's straight people cheating on each other, right? Yes. Well, no, because Arianna is not straight. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's true.

And I'm not quite sure, actually, it's Tom Sandvall. But she didn't do anything. She didn't do anything. She's an innocent bystander. She is. But it was like, sis head cheating not quite sure actually, it's Tom Sandvolg. But she didn't do anything. She didn't do anything. She's an innocent bystander. She is. But it was like cis-hat cheating as far as like, yeah. A man cheated on a woman with another woman.

Yes, exactly. Yep. And it was like no headlines that really are pulling me. Like, if she cheated on him with another woman, I, if you give me a lesbian, if you give me some buy, if you give me some nonsense, I'm like, what's going on? Yeah.

Or, go tell me. So, those people. It's a lot, it's a lot of history. So, Tom and Ariana got together back and like, what, 20, nine years ago. Yeah, nine years ago. They've been together for nine years. They literally have a house together.

Essentially common law married, right? That takes up what, seven years. Yeah. I mean, they're for all intense and purposes. Together. So then this girl, Requel, joins the show. Fun fact, name is not even Requel. Found out recently on the TikTok that her name is Rachel. So we're not calling her Requel anymore. We're calling her Rachel because she's a dirty gal. And she has been carrying on a relationship with Tom Sandevol who has been with Ariana Maddox. I don't know if it's Ariana or Ariana because they interchangeably use it on the show, but we love her regardless.

I fucking a team Ariana all the way, but he has been carrying on a relationship like behind closed doors with Raquel for seven months at least. I also just found out today on Good Authority that they spent Christmas together. So Ariana is sitting at Tom's show last Wednesday night because he also has a cover band called Tom and the most extras or something like that. He is extra. And his phone slips out of his pocket. She grabs it off stage so he doesn't step on it. What a kind soul Ariana is.

She's scrolling through the phone and she finds an inappropriate video of Raquel. And then discovers the whole seven months. All the receipts, all of them. And it was at the same time that Raquel was on watch what happens live with Andy Cohen in New York along Saabina at the same time

who was also then on Vanderbilt Rose Forever. And we do not condone violence on this podcast. No. Allegedly. No, I'm just kidding. So Shina is Ariana's best friend, but has also been friends with Raquel because she doesn't know what a dirty girl she is. So they're out and about. And then Ariana calls Shina her best friend and is like, Shina, like, are

you with Raquel? I need to talk to her because I'm what the fuck is going on. So Shina finds out. And then allegedly, she throws Raquel's phone into the street. Throw Raquel up against a brick wall, punches her in the face, and then the rest we really are. After they left watch what happens, I. Yeah, they were at like a bar or something. I, okay, having done what what happens, I have a few times, like I know exactly where that is in this city, I can just like envision like coming out of those doors and they get in their car and that like, oh my god.

All of that in shoes. Sidebar, my friend went to what's that restaurant that they filmed at? Sir, or Tom Tom or Tom Tom. Okay, Tom Tom. So my friend, one of my very best friends, as all the drama was happening, was like got reservations at Tom Tom with their friends to see if anything would go down. But my friend doesn't know anything. She's like me. She just wanted to go to dinner with her friends. But the friends were like, you have to get camera ready

because shit went down. Just going down. So then she got there and shit did go down. And it makes you want to ask her like what she saw. Oh my god Be like what went down? You know was that the night that Tom and the most actress still had to perform and then everybody started chanting cheater cheater Ariana at him and then he leaned into the mic and said we love her It's like no, no, no, you don't say what happened We're calling a friend.

Food a friend. I'll work. It's like, as you see really quick, I got to, let's do, I need to see. I love it. Yeah. Hey. Um, you can send to being on a, like one of the nations leading podcasts about Mar-a-Dar, but they're also very, it turns out that they're like huge provocants and we can bleep out your name and just have,

like, you know, word of a friend is, but when you, what happened when you went to that restaurant the other night and they were filming all that drama about that man? Oh, well, they don't really film it. I don't think I don't know that Tom was sitting else one of the times. I don't know them and he was like sitting outside like all kind of like upset, you know, and looking wounded and then a couple another cast person I don't know who they are. We're with them. And then they're like, oh my god, because as we were walking in my friends, we're telling me about it. Can you give us any more? What did the other cast made look like darling?

I do. You know me. I don't care about people. I was just like, oh, I'm cute. I'm walking in and the girl for like, oh my god. There he was. You know, my friends are so silly. And I was like, what? And they're like, you don't understand what happened. But I didn't talk to any of the full story in the name so that I was like, can you please text me the full story and in the next 20 minutes, please? Oh.

Okay. It was terrible. Thanks. Very anti-climatic. Okay. It's the story. Goodbye. That was terrible.

That was terrible. Okay, but I wonder which part she saw. She took up her time. Because if Tom was looking wounded, so there's two tombs. There's Tom sand of all, and then there's Tom Schwartz. Tom sand of all is the piece of shit. But fun fact that I didn't tell you in the middle of all of this, right now, the season of Vanderpump rules is airing. And everybody tried to make us think that Tom Schwartz and Raquel Rachel were hooking up

because we think that Tom Schwartz was covering for Tom Sandeval. And Tom Schwartz was married to another cast member and they are in the middle of a divorce. So it was a big deal, even for that. But then when it turned into Tom Sandeval, it's like, well, he's currently in a relationship. So Rachel has now, like, I don't even,

like, what's the word? Like, defied two of her friends. Yeah. But today, Ariana was like her best friend, one of her best friends. If you're a regular listener, you know that I always, always recommend simply safe home security. And I'm not the only one, honey. US News Report recently named SimplySafe the best home security system of 2023.

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okay. I'm so excited for where this is going. There's a brother and sister, okay? Brother and sister. No, it's not giving Game of Thrones. It's giving interest. It's giving scandal. Brother sister, they're both married, okay? Brother and sister are married to their own partners, okay? Sister's got a husband, brother's got a wife. Sister's husband, brother's wife, start having an affair.

An affair? A full affair? A full affair? And you think that's not going to come up at the dinner table? So then they leave their partners, because the affair gets brought to light, and they go on to let Trele have cats, and they're still married.

I'm not kidding. It's the only, it's the only example of a relationship started out of like a full adulteress affair where they didn't end up. So it's like the whole thing of like, oh, don't start your relationship in a fair because it won't work out.

You lose in how you got it. It's not. It's always not true. Like sometimes people do have horrific affairs and then they do end up together. It's true. Wow. But my only other example of that happening

just got divorced last year. I was gonna say, because maybe it just takes a little more time. How long have the other two like been together and like having the kids and all? Sends like 94. Like a very long time. That's longer than my whole life.

Damn. You have very long time. That's literally longer than you've been a lot. That's two years longer than I've been a lot. Holy shit. So you were born in 92. 96. 96.

Wait, oh my god, 96. I know. I cannot handle. I know. So you don't even fucking know about the magnificent seven and Atlanta. Even fucking know about the Atlanta fucking games. The first time that a women's United States Gymnastics team won a gold medal and an uncontested games. Were you so busy watching Bravo, your whole life that you never even got into the Olympics,

not once? No, I've been into the Olympics before. Oh, thank God. And actually, we were at one of your shows in Boston when you were doing the Olympics and doing all the flips and everything, and you said that a little bit of that whole speech about the seven, and I looked at her and I said,

what is he talking about? Because I didn't know. Can you add to your list of things that I would love for you to watch that sister act one and two? Yes, two and one. Literally, one and two. And then the last of us is really good

and you should get into it. I think that people would really appreciate it in your life because it's just really good. And it's like way better than other apocalyptic shows. Like it's so good. Like it literally is. I would probably do anything you told me to do, but I'm not sure about that.

Let me try reverse that call. No, let me try a different angle with you. Okay, okay. It's not that it's not that good. Like it's not that good. Yeah, don't watch it. Don't watch it. I don't even know if it works.

No, everyone is like has like bad taste and you should follow your, it's like not worth it. Okay. And it's bad. Resounding bad. No, it's like not worth it. And it's bad. Resounding bad. That's actually terrible. That's good that you did that because I'm a Gemini, so I do always do the opposite

of what people tell me to do. That's actually my- It's like seriously, like this worst- Yeah, you'll hate it. I won't be writing it down. You know what, it's not for you. Okay, wait, what's the last thing? And then the last thing was what were we just talking about?

The Magnificent Seven. Oh yeah, could you please watch on YouTube, And then the last thing was what were we just talking about? The magnificent seven. Oh, yeah. Could you please watch on YouTube? You can usually find like an Olympic final. Like if you could just watch like the women's Olympic team final, you will see Carrie Strug in her whole iconic moment, which is such, oh my God. It is, it is the, it is probably one of the most iconic Olympic moments in history. It's iconic.

She had a Miller, does don't even much. Yanu fucking Amanda board and fucking JC Phelps fucking Amy chow carry Strog this team is just iconic. It's so amazing. And is a stack. What did you think? I didn't hear how many does. I mean, does awesome.

Awesome. She just I'm sorry. I didn't mean to yell at you. I feel like you literally picked this spit out of your eye from which I like project out through our zooms because I was so intense. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you got into Olympics this time around though because the girls were super into the gymnastics. Don't get it? Like, we now have all kinds of books about some of my own files.

They have some own files, jackets now that they were to school for them and say that they're some own files. I support the Olympics. I love that. I just like they're just getting in gymnastics a lot. And I love that the girl do. And I wanted to actually be in gymnastics, girly, but my mom said, we're broke. So we couldn't do that.

It's very, that part is very hideous and unfair. Yeah, especially figure skating. It's so expensive and geographically prohibitive for your skating. Yeah, I had a lot of resentment to work through. Including me. Well, I often like to say to my mom that most of my therapy I spend working through the resentment

that you didn't ride my back to St. Louis like to the nearest figure skating rink so that like I could have taken us to the Olympics like she could have been my mom and her that's but if she would have just done that she would have just done it but then we wouldn't have gotten queer I like the revamp so you would have gotten and I could have been an Olympic probably it would have had to have an iced answer I think I could have but then I would have had to have like given straight energy or at least like convincing, like mask and I don't know. We wouldn't want that. No.

Yeah, I was like born in the wrong everything. I feel bad. I meant to be a lady figure skater. I feel bad. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who. Yeah, there's like next time, no, my next life,

I'm gonna be like Michelle Kwan. Oh, I won't be like that. I Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that. Yeah. That era was such an era. Like, I remember watching her on TV. Me too. I remember like the Nancy Kerrigan of it all.

Are you? Well, yeah, I guess she was, yeah, she won her last, Michelle won her last world medal, which was bronze in 04. So you would have been seven by then. So I believe. I don't believe. And Michelle won her last world medal, which was bronze in 04. So you would have been seven by then. So I believe nine, nine, nine, 2004. I was graduating high school. So that's actually how I was going to be.

Yes. Wait, are you guys being sexy me? Are we? I think we are. You graduated in 2004. 85. It should have been five, but I think we are. You graduated in 2005. Did you remember it in 1985? It should have been five, but I graduated early. So I graduated, it was born in like 87. But I graduated.

Yeah, I was born basically in 86. I'm December 28th. Yeah. Of 1985, so like, I'm writing that. We're the same. We're the same. We're the same. We're the same people.

We're the same person. You literally are like, I just love your guys. It's way too much to make up my ears. We're two halves of a whole that just broke off me. Plus you. You literally are like, I just love your guys. It's so much to make up this for my ears. That just broke us. Plus me. Plus you. You're one and a half.

And you're the sprinkle. Oh, I love that. Yes. We're three peas in a pod. I love that. We make a snap pea together. Oh, I love that. We do love snap peas.

Literally. Remember when a random lady on your street gave us snap peas and we ate them with no question. She said, I grew these in my garden and we said, okay, and then later we were like, what? Yeah, why did we teach that to her? That's what we did. That night we were like, oh my God.

Do you feel funny? I feel fine. Do you feel fine? We felt fine. She really grew them in a garden. They were good. I love local produce. Yes, the best.

She has no to local produce. And she had them in a little basket that seemed legit. It seemed so legit. It seemed like a farmer basket. She was like, yeah, she was great. Get on her list again this year. Right, right. I think we just ran into her by having to walk in her dog.

And we were just walking your kids. Yeah. I didn't give my kids the snap peas. You didn't. The mom didn't do that. I took it. How can you take a lady's snap peas and not eat them? Yeah. That's a really sweet story.

Right. We're pretty wholesome, you know? Just eat wholesome. Maybe wholesome, maybe. I'm saying, my story. Is there any story we want to share? Well, we should chat about all the happiest things in the world because my story is not wholesome.

No, it's not happy. I want to hear it. This story is sad. Sad. It's is sad. Sad. It's really sad. And if you have a grandma that you love and you don't want to hear about an older person being murdered, then you should not listen to this. But if you're Elena or JVN, you don't have a choice.

So it all started on December 19, 2001. Anthony Colabro. Colabro. Return home to the house that he shared with his great aunt Marina in Quincy, of course. Marina from Quincy. Rest in peace, Marina from Quincy. Because when he walked in, he found his aunt dead at the bottom of a flight of stairs.

Now, initially, the authorities believed that the 84-year-old had slipped and fallen to her death. Because obviously, that's a pretty rational thought to have, sadly a lot of older people living by themselves can fall and hurt themselves and, you know, worse things can happen. But just 10 months later, the authorities came to a very different conclusion. The scene had been staged, and Marina had been placed at the bottom of the stairs to make it seem like her death was an accident. Scary. I hate this already.

Yeah, it's pretty rough. So in time, detectives came to realize that her death had actually been orchestrated by her 19 year old great nephew Anthony, with the help of his two teenage friends. He killed Marina and they staged a cover up in order to inherit the money that she was going to leave him in her will. Because always it's always about him in her will. Because... She's bagged. Always. It's always about money in the will.

Always. So the murder obviously completely shocked the residents of Quincy. And it left so many people wondering how three teenagers could brutally kill an 84-year-old woman in cold blood like this. That's what always amazes me is when these people can get in a group. Like you can get more than one person that's like, let's murder this 84 year old woman. And they're like, yeah, that's a great idea. Like how do you get like-minded people like that?

That's the thing that's so scary. That all three of them sat there one day and had that conversation and then had further conversations to plan the whole thing. It's like, what? How do you not think old people are the cutest? I love old people. So cute. Well, so cute.

Well, fuckers. Honestly, fuckers. No, old people. The people they don't yet. Just just feel like I actually hate old people. Fuck that. So Marina really was well loved. And her neighbors were especially surprised

and obviously very disappointed when they found out that she had died. She was well known in town. She had retired in the mid 90s, but before that, she had been a fixture at the Marvel Beauty salon where she worked for over 40 years. Oh my god, arena. The hairstyles like us. Now, when she retired, she focused all of her time on maintenance and upkeep of a multi-family duplex that she owned on Bedford Street. And she had inherited that from her parents when they passed years earlier. So she really wanted to take care of this place. Her neighbor told reporters, she was a champ. Her lawn was always kept nice,

and even when it snowed, she was out there shoveling. Marina. In other neighbors said they loved her. She always had a pleasant presence, and she would always flash a quick wave when somebody passed, and she always had candy for the kids. Oh, stop it. She'd fished out a little caramel, or a little strawberry. One of those little strawberry hard candies. I love the arena.

I love the arena. I do too much. I actually want those right now. And I love it, where there's, go to CVF. Yes. Now, Marina, she was a bad bitch. She did not let retirements slow her down at all. She kept in shape walking everywhere.

She was constantly doing her own yard work like we know. And she just wanted to do things around the house constantly. She was like a doer. So people were shocked when they heard that she had slipped on the stairs. They were like, I don't know, she's in like really good shape and she's constantly doing stuff like that. Exactly. So they were confused.

But the medical examiner concluded that it was a straightforward case of blunt neck trauma from a slip and fall accident that had resulted in her death. And that was all there was to it, he said, until 10 months later, when the authorities kind of started to grow suspicious of Marina's great nephew, Anthony, because he had been spending a lot of money, not long after they left.

It's like, idiot, you're so dumb. So two years earlier, and this is the thing, she had invited him and his two friends to stay with her at her home. So they've been living there for like two years. And after her death, the three of them continued living in the duplex on Bradford Street, and the neighbors were not thrilled about it.

One neighbor said of their time there, they would throw out trash from the second floor balcony, and the house just went to pod after that, which I've never heard. Went to pod? You've never heard that? No, that's funny. It's funny.

We totally say that. Really? Yeah. So it went to pot after that. Now, in addition to the nonstop partying, there was kids coming and going at all hours. Neighbors were noticing new cars and other luxury items being delivered to the house.

Anthony even had a new puppy, which like, what are you doing with a puppy? Take that dog away from him immediately. And he already had a dog. And one dog and then after his aunt was killed, he bought another one How do you have dogs and kill an old lady? I have like how do you reconcile those two parts of yourself? That's like a dichotomy. Yeah, that's a lot. It really is

well if you think about it If you murdered someone you might feel depressed So maybe you would want a dog, because you feel sad. But that's true. I'm actually kind of makes sense. And you'd be scared that that person you murdered in that home that you are now living in

is gonna haunt you. Haunt your ass. You'd probably be pretty paranoid. So you'd get a dog to like, I hope she haunted the shit out of them. I hope so too. I would. I absolutely would.

A marino. A marino. A marino. A marino. A marino. A marino. Yeah. Marino from Quincy was haunting his ass. For sure.

Yeah. She had her blow dryer turned on. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. She was wearing her neck. Yeah. She just got out of here. Now, the sad thing is, she had always been extremely, extremely fond of Anthony.

Oh. And remember, this is her great nephew. She included him in her will. I was just gonna say, they were close enough that she did that. She put him in a will. And she invited him to live there with his friends. Like, come on.

Now, he was supposed to get more than $200,000 cash once she had died. Wow. So she left him a lot of money. Oh my God. Now, once he got that money after murdering her, he wasted no time spending it. He got a new Corvette, which like,

people are going to notice if you park a Corvette outside of a duplex in Quincy. And also like really, yeah, like just really. He got big screen televisions and this is a quote, more than $80,000 on military equipment, including grenade launchers for where Lally and himself, those are his two friends. I'm sorry, Qua.

What a fucking flaming pile of garbage. Yeah. And also, where do you just buy a recreational grenade launcher? But it does, it does speak to the failure of our education system that like, that's how people think that you should, let me teach you 401K, better, fucking invest that shit. What do you mean?

You don't want your slug. Yeah, I was like, we don't even know. I guess I only learned about that stuff two years ago, but still. But still, the whole problem, they don't teach us that stuff. It's, but still. But still. But that should have known. But that should have known. But that should have known. But that should have known.

They didn't teach us that stuff. It's true. I had no idea what the forum teaches us. It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar to me.

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It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar to me. It looks familiar of high school, I literally used to have to Google how to write on an envelope, like how to address an envelope, because we just didn't learn that. Oh, we totally learned that. We did learn that. And that was not even teaching kids cursive. That was my mind. That was my mind. Which that is so fucking, like I love cursive cues.

I love cursive. Me too. Oh, cursive cues are so fun. Oh, good times. Those were the days. Do people often tell you about how fun it is that you say exactly with your tea like that? It's like so. It's like a divided nation because some people really, really love it.

I also never knew that I did that before I had a podcast. No, I never noticed it either. No. My grandma would be so proud of me. My grandma, you pronounce every freaking syllable. So that's probably why I say that. Yeah, it wasn't for me. I'm like the first episode. It was like, it's like one of my, I'm team loves it. Thank you. Makes me feel happy. I love it when you say that. And anyone who says opposite is like weird. But it's also so interesting, like looking at you guys when you talk,

because I'm like, wow. Like now you know, like you know Like who says what that whole time? Is it magic on? You just learn so much. No, it's even more magical. I love that. It's like when you love someone and now you can imagine like where they're sitting in their house when you're chatting with them.

Like that's what my grandma always said she had to come to your house because she didn't like chatting on the phone and not being able to envision where you were. How are you off that? I love that a lot. And now like it's like really cute, like in a non-pew way. Yeah. I love that.

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The boys had, quote, dreamed about becoming mercenary soldiers, which is what the whole grenade launcher was about. And now that they had the money, they were stockpiling weapons at this point, weird. Now Jim, he had spent three or four days a week at Anthony's house, both before and after Marina had been killed.

And Jim had dreams of becoming a professional musician, and he actually played in a band with Anthony and his friend Weir, and the band was called Electronic Kill Machine, which like honestly lame name, if you ask me. Yeah, that one doesn't do the whole like, hello, Cleveland. We are electric kill machine. No, I'm not. I'm leaving. It doesn't work. Yeah like, hello, Cleveland. We are on electric kill machine. No, I'm out, right? I'm leaving. It doesn't work.

Yeah, I've already left. Left on building. Now, apparently they were doing all right, because they had already released a CD, a compact disc. Oh. And they were hoping to release another one now that they had the money. But Jim's enthusiasm for the band and his friends,

it took a serious nose dive in late October of that year. The thing that really turned things on their side was when Anthony confided in him that they had all murdered Marina the great aunt. Jim didn't really love that. Well good for Jim. Yeah. I'm glad Jim did not love that.

But Jim had questions. He was like, why did you kill Grinnell? Marina, like, why would you ever do that? I would also have that question. And Anthony was like, yeah, like I can't just wait around for her to die of natural causes. Oh my God. like why would you ever do that? I would also have that question. And Anthony was like, yeah, like I can't just wait around for her to die of natural causes. Oh my god.

Like you're disgusting, you know. You can't just wait around. He's a vile human. What, you spend time with her. Why don't you find out what she did in her life? Why don't you stop being a dick? Ask her about the salon. Yeah, right?

Ask her about running this duplex. Well, and as we know, there are so many good stories and a salon. I can't imagine 40 years worth of salon stories. Could have said something. Yeah. I mean, but it's like if you are on that murder track for the, or the will money, it's, you don't care. Yeah, those public are sounding quite juicy enough.

Yeah. Well, he didn't think so. So Jim was like, okay, okay, thanks for telling me that. Like, not gonna tell the police. Definitely not. He did tell the police. Good, Jim. We love Jim.

Jim is who we're fighting for. There you go. So actually, and he had to sit through a whole car ride home with Anthony first. Oh, awkward. And imagine being in a fucking car with this kid and he murdered his great aunt. Like what?

No. So he drops Jim off at home and Jim immediately goes to his dad and is like, listen to what Anthony just told me and the two of them went straight to the Quincy Police Department to make a report. To make a report can make a report. So Jim worked with Quincy Detectives on a plan to get his friends confession on tape and just a few days later that plan was set into motion. If they're a wire?

There's a wire mama. Oh, I love a wire. So Jim meets up with Jason Ware, one of the friends at McDonald's in Norton. I was been there. I used to go there all the time in high school. Damn, crazy. I wasn't there when this happened.

No. Jason didn't know it, but Jim was wearing a wire. And he was about to hear exactly what had happened the day that Marina was killed. Can you imagine how stressful it would be to wear a wire? No. I can't even fathom it.

Especially in a scenario where like, like in a scenario different than this, where like somebody could potentially like feel you for a wire. Yeah, or in a place like not a public place, if you're like in their house or there in your house. Which happens or in a car or something. Oh, terrifying. Have you ever watched Good Girls?

No. Yes. Love that show. Yeah, it's so good with Rana. Love. Yeah, so good. There you go. So this isn't the wire too. That's also a great thing. I need to watch that. I've been meaning to watch that. That's a good good. Yeah, so good. There you go. So this happens in the wire too. That makes sense.

That's also a great thing. I need to watch that. I've been meaning to watch that. That's a good one. Yeah. Well, great theme song too. A great one. So in the afternoon of December 19th, Anthony, Thomas Lallie and Jason, where they drove

to Marina's house and Anthony waited in the car with his dog, the one that he already had while the other boys went inside. So he couldn't even do this himself by the way, which like, I'm kind of glad, I guess, but I'm not glad at all because it's so beautiful. I hate all of it. So Marina was out that day doing what Marina did. She was probably giving children candy, taking care of her lawn. She's like being an amazing human being.

And when she got home, she was surprised to find the two boys in her kitchen. And even more so, when she saw that there was newspaper lying everywhere on the ground and all the surfaces. The newspaper had been put down earlier because they decided it would soak up the blood. Now as she moved closer into the kitchen, she was met by Thomas Lalley, who was holding a cast iron skillet that he had taken from the cabinet. Marina was obviously terrified, so she was like, what are you doing with that? And he replied,

this is what I'm doing with this, and brought the cast iron skillet down on her head with such force, this is a quote, that the handle broke off. Like, also, you're a fucking gross. Like, I love that he had the whole, like, this is what I'm doing with that. Like, fuck off. Or a 19-year whole like, this is what I'm doing. Like fuck off.

You're a 19 year old. This woman has lived her whole fucking life for you, you piece of shit and garbage to do this to her. And they're 19, like 19. It's well above the age. Of course it is. And one of them shenanigans should be happy. Yeah, they were like two of them are 19 and one was 17.

And it's like, you are way too old. It's getting fucked. Get fucked. Get fucked. Yeah, truly get fucked. Exactly. So Lolly, he expected that the blow from the cast iron pan would be enough to kill the 80 Orioles.

But there was blood coming down her face. And she started screaming for Anthony. Oh my God. Completely unaware that he was outside in the car, knowing full well what was going on inside. Oh my God, it is yelling for him. For him, for help. Oh, that hurts my heart. So she started screaming and he lally grabs a yellow tea kettle from the stove top and he beat her with that even after she fell to the ground. And when she was down, he climbed on top of her and started to manually strangle her with his hands. But she was fighting back.

She scratched at his face, she bit his arm, and she was screaming. So when he realized how difficult it is actually to strangle somebody, he instead held a small pillow over her face, yelling, let go, given Anthony wants it this way. Oh! Like, that's what she heard in her dying moments. Was that her great grand neph you?

Oh, how? I wanted this to happen. Dark. Like, that is brutal. And like, for what? I wonder if they were on drugs because they were such like a disassociation from reality. And a lot of times when you hear about murders like that,

like it is the paranoia, the soldiers, the murder, like all of it, it's like, yeah. All right, maybe that's just like my brain wanting to say that because it's like otherwise you literally sober decided to fucking soul blood murder. Like you're 84 year old auntie, which makes you a fucking monster. An absolute monster.

Absolutely. It's like addiction and that's not who your soul is or whatever. But it's really fucked up. I don't think they were on drugs. I didn't read anything that said they were. Which makes it like you were just saying makes it worse. Ugh. It's awful.

So five or so minutes later, Anthony entered the apartment. And this is fucking insane Walks over to his great aunt who had taken him in put him in her will Looked at her lifeless body on the floor and quote gave a shrug before leaving the room. Just was like Wow, like you are a so less piece of garbage You should never be allowed around people ever again. Never. So before doing anything else, they thoroughly washed Marina's body.

They were trying to get rid of any kind of evidence. But she had scratched. I was just going to say she took some evidence when she bit him. So then they carried her to the top of the stairwell and dumped her body down the stairs to make it seem like she'd fallen. Wild. I'm also like, who is the medical examiner?

Don't you think that would have been like, like, what they have seen that the blows to the head were like pre-mortem and post-mortem, like falling down, like, wouldn't that be, like, would that be something that they could tell? They could definitely tell whether a wound is post or peri mortem or pre-mortem. Would it be possible that she was maybe like a still little bit of a watch? I mean, maybe, I don't know when she died at that point, but they washed her. Yeah. Like, if they washed her up and like, cleaned up, that's a lot of time.

And that's enough time for blood to clot Yeah, which means any of those wounds you could tell whether they were done For your post or or even Perry so I think the medical examiner probably was like oh like look she fell down the stairs And like didn't look too much further. I was gonna say that's like not good She's 84 so like maybe he was just or they they were like, and you'd think she would be very happy. Oh, dad. And I know what fall down the stairs, if you, I mean, it depends on the stairs, it depends on the...

Well, it's a duplex, I think, and it's a duplex in Boston. So to me, if I'm seeing the stairs, that's a steep, long set of stairs. Potentially even curved. I feel like a lot of them are randomly curved. Or they're just like really long and thin. So like, I guess that could cause a lot of damage, especially if you went, you know, head over feet. Right, exactly. But like, but still like pre and post,

like you were saying, it was gonna take time to wash her up and everything. They would also, I feel like, like I know that they put down the newspapers, but it's like, there would be some spray. Like that hit would cause some kind of a splash. Especially if she had pulled it back. Yeah.

I think no one found that. It sounds to me like they were just very ready to. Yeah, open and shut. Found her at the bottom of the stairs. She's 84, she fell, work here, stunned. Wow. And I don't know about the crime rate in Quincy, but I'm sure it's not like a very quiet area.

No. So I think they probably might maybe overload it. You could think I could see that. Yeah. So they did all of that unbelievable. Later that day, they cleaned the apartment, they gathered up the bloody newspapers, and then they drove to Norton, where they dropped wear off at his parents house. And Anthony and Lally went on to dispose of the frying pan

and the tea kettle in a pond before heading back to Quincy. Now, Anthony and Lally waited at the apartment until 11 o'clock at night and then called the police to report that Anthony had come home and found his beloved deer on to like this. Wow. So police found out from the wire that, that's exactly what had happened

and they were all three arrested. So he was just like, yeah. He told them. Like this is a story. Wow. Now when it came time for the trial, all three of them actually pleaded not guilty. Which I'm like,

honey, is that you on the wire? Because like we all heard that. Yeah. Now Lally pleaded not guilty to first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. Anthony, for first degree murder, accessory before the fact to murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

And we are for first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. But all three trials actually were hung up for years and years because of administrative and pre-trial matters, all that kind of stuff. Stupid stuff. Bullshit. Stupid stuff. But by March of 2006, all the respective hurdles had been cleared.

And Thomas Lally was the first to go on trial. Bye, Lally. Bye. Now, in his opening remarks, I have to laugh when I say this because it's Norfolk. Norfolk County District Attorney, Ralph Wilson. There's no other way to say it. Yeah, that's not what you say. It's Norfolk. Yeah, Norfolk County District Attorney, Robert Nelson. There's like no other way to say it. Yeah, that's not what you say. It's Norfolk.

Yeah, Norfolk. Yeah. The District Attorney Robert Nelson, he told the jury about how the boys had planned the murder months in advance. So this was months in advance. They planned this. They developed a strategy after visiting websites and watching TV shows about how to get rid of forensic evidence.

Oh, God. And according to Norton, Colabra, Anthony there, and the other boys did this because they thought they were going to inherit more than 700,000 when Marina died. And they would split, they said that Anthony told the boys they would split it evenly.

It's like, number one, I don't know who you think you are. Like you're not getting $700,000. And clearly he's not going to split it equally. No, of course he's not. And also, that's sweet aunt Marina. What the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Now, in exchange for their participation, we're was expecting a $28,000 pickup truck, and

Lally thought he was going to get his amount in cash. But at the end of the day, we're only received $6,500, which still is a lot of money. And Lally got somewhere between $8,000 and $10,000 because, which still is a lot of money. And Lally got somewhere between eight and 10,000 because he had been the one to do everything. Wow. Now when you thought you were going to get 200,000 little different, little different. So only 10 grand to kill somebody and then live with that for the rest of your lives. And not even they said between eight and 10. So you know, that was like nine,

something if that. It's like also no amount of money is worth it to murder a sweet old woman and her whole whole whole. And to like brutally while she's calling for her nephew. Yeah. Oh, God, that's right. That's what kills me. Like that part. Yeah.

That's sweet old woman. But not a sweet old little who like is candid to children and like waves of her neighbors and it's just been a story. No, but you're the hair ofunch her hair, breath or eat it. I hate it. Because you know, she was just the sweetest. Yeah, Marina from Quincy.

Mm-hmm. But now the good thing, well, it's like a good and bad thing but it works out because the evidence against Lali, it was largely circumstantial, but it's just circumstantial, excuse me, but it was still significant. When the police arrived at Anthony's house on the night of the murder, they actually had noted,

which I'm like, you noted this and you still said that it was not a murder? They noticed that he had scratches on his face and a bite mark on his arm, and they asked him about it that night, actually, and he said he got them during a fight with Anthony earlier that day. No, no, like you check that.

I have to go. You check that. But later on, they ended up searching Lallie's home and they found scraps of the newspapers that had been laid out. And Jim was able to direct them to the pond where they had dumped the cast iron skillet in the tea kettle and they recovered those items with the help of a dive team. So, one of the pond was, were fucked.

It was in Norton. Oh, it was in Norton Pond. Holy shit. I bet you know which one of this. Ooh. So the most damning was the testimony from Jason Weir. He actually agreed to testify against Lally in exchange for a reduced charge.

He was gonna get manslaughter with a maximum sentence of 10 years. So on the stand, Weir admitted to being in the apartment. And he said, he may have tried to restrain Marina and actually even handed Lolly the pillow. That was what killed her, but it was Thomas who had struck her

with all those blows that had killed her. I'm sorry, if you held down an 84-year-old who had already been bludgeoned, you're a fucking monster too. And also, does there and be like, or what's his name, Jason? Jason. Yeah. And also to be like, well, I may have restrained him.

I may not. I don't remember. It's like, fuck off. You don't remember murdering someone? Oh, I do. Jason, I hate you just as much. I hate Jason. Yeah. I hate Thomas. I hate Jason. But yeah, so he said that.

And then he told the jury in the days leading up to the murder, that Lallie had made several comments to suggest that he was actually excited about going through with this. And that afterwards, wear was so scared to report the crime because of all of that. And he feared retaliation from Lallie. And that's why he didn't tell anybody.

It's like, no, you didn't tell anybody because you held her down and you handed a pillow. That's not the first time. I was gonna say, that's why he didn't tell anybody. It's like, no, you didn't tell anybody because you halted her down and you handed a pillow. That's what I was gonna say. That's the thing. You know you worry pivotal, you play to play pivotal role in this whole thing. That's why you didn't say anything. Exactly.

Don't play with me, Jason. Fuck off. Oh, fucking play around here. So arguing in Lallie's defense, a turn, which like, I don't know how you do that. Yeah. Attorney Robert Griffin told the jury that the police and the prosecutor defense, attorney, which like, oh, I don't know how you do that. Attorney Robert Griffin told the jury that the police and the prosecutor had,

prosecutor, excuse me, I'd gotten everything wrong. He said, Jason, where is the one who killed Marina Calabra? No. But he told the jury that the DNA evidence collected at the scene was not a match for Lallie, who had simply gone along with his friends. It's like, I love that that's a defense.

It's like, this 19 year old was peer pressured into brutally bludgeoning an 84 year old to death. Like, I'm sorry, am I supposed to go, oh, okay, don't throw him in jail then. It's fine. Yeah, make him pay a favor. Don't worry about it. It'll get over like a lot.

She had had plenty of people over in the cut in the days and stuff before that. Like that could have been anybody's DNA. We all know what happened here. Yeah. They continued living in her house and using her money to buy grenade launchers. Jesus.

We know what happened. Yeah. He said he was not the mastermind. Anthony was. And he was not the murderer. Jason was. Oh, he just, he had nothing to do with it. Exactly.

So finally, Thomas Lallie there took the stand for himself and his own defense, and he told the jury that it was Jason Weir who had killed the woman. God, they were like, okay, okay, okay, sounds good. And then they deliberated for five hours, and when they came back, they found Thomas Lallie guilty. Oh, good, okay. On first degree murder.

I was like, I swear to God, if you give me enough guilty, we're like, I will do you do it. And the superior court judge, Charles Gribal, I wanna say it is, sentence Lallie to the mandatory sentence of life in prison without the possibility of parole. And then the Norfolk district attorney, there was a lot of emphasis on that there, sorry.

He was said that he was satisfied with the outcome, but he, quote, remained troubled by the savagery of her death, which seemed very savage. Now, it seems like Thomas Lallys conviction definitely put some fear into Anthony because in June of 2006, just a couple of months after Lallys was sentenced, Anthony ended up changing his tune. And he decided that he was going to be pleading guilty to the second degree murder of his grade aunt, please. It's like, hmm, first of all, you planned it.

He cried before the court. He said, he played a role in her death and he said, I'm disgusted with myself. I'm disgusted with my lack of action and attempting to stop it or anything else for that matter. You mean when she was calling out for you? And also attempting to stop it or anything else for that matter. You mean when she was calling out for you? And also like to stop it, like you continued even after she died, you divvied out her money to your friends who you would hire to kill her.

Yeah, he's so sad that he didn't stop doing that. You're sorry you got caught. Yeah, your tears mean nothing. Exactly. And that's how the judge felt too, and he sentenced him to life in prison with the possibility of parole after 15 years. Hate that. Oh. Hate that.

Yeah, we don't love the... Wait, 2006, 15 years. Oh. That wasn't... We're not done yet. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Now, because of his deal, Jason Weir pleaded guilty to manslaughter and was sentenced to 10 years with credit for the four years already served while he was awaiting trial. Now for a little T though. In July of 2006, after all three cases had been settled, it was discovered that the Norfolk County prosecutor, Susan Cochran, or yeah, I think that's it, had shared audio interviews

and other evidence and sensitive materials with the CBS news program 48 hours. What? And she was immediately fired. Oh, shit. She got fired for that. Damn. Now in January of 2022, Anthony was granted parole. Yeah, fuck.

He had been denied once in 2017, but given his age at the time of the crime and his record of good behavior while in prison, probably because there age at the time of the crime and his record of good behavior while in prison, probably because there's no old ladies to your olds. The parole board felt that he had been rehabilitated and was a suitable candidate for parole. And they specifically cited his participation, quote, in numerous prison programs, including one called alternatives to violence. It's like, well, I'm glad you're participating in that. So it's like 42 or something now, like 42 or 43.

Yeah, I hate it. I'm really bad at mental math, but I think that sounds right. Because if he was like 19 in 2001 and the child didn't go on until 2005, or so yeah, it was the 19 in 2001. So then like 21, he was like 39. Yeah. It's like 41. You just walk in these streets.

He's just walking these streets. Now. And you murdered your great, or your, your great auntie. 84 years old. That's like my lolly. We call our lolly. Oh, that's so cute.

I love that. How could you do that? And it's like lolly and pops. Stop. That's so weird. And her husband, you know, so rude. And it's like if you're going to kill somebody it's like, it's like, it's like, Lolly and Pops. Stop. That's so... In her husband. I love that.

And it's like, if you're gonna kill somebody, you know, that brutally, like, I mean, he didn't do the killing, but he like, set it all up. Yeah. You can do that for someone you love. Yeah. What are you capable of? For somebody you don't know. Now, according to the terms of his parole, he'll be released to a minimum security facility

and he was gonna stay there for a year and then after that, he would be released to a minimum security facility and he was going to stay there for a year. And then after that, he would be released, quote, on a home plan that would include a curfew and electronic monitoring. So we have that to settle our stomachs. Okay. Now in May of 2022, so pretty recently, Jim Moral's story of being a voluntary undercover agent on behalf of the Quincy Police Department was featured on the Discovery Channel series I Went Undercover. Oh! And the series producer told the Patriot ledger, this series is all about regular people taking great risks

and going undercover. When we heard about Jim's story and his bravery, it was a natural fit for the series. So yeah, that is the story of two, three actually fucking crazed individuals. Three pieces of shit. Oh, murdered, sweet, sweet, Marina. Marina.

Fuckin' this. A, poor Marina. All right, people, Marina, we loved you before we even knew you. Truly loved her so much. That's such an upsetting one. It's very upsetting. Oh, shout out to Dave for helping me research on that.

Shout out to Dave. Yes, Dave. Yes, Dave. Oh my god. To the end just said yes, Dave. Yes, Dave. That was amazing. What a story. I know. Setting. It was really sad. I definitely need to watch this to act one and two. Yeah, you do. To move on from. Also the last of us is so good and also so that I can use this women's Olympic team final. That's true, but nobody likes the last of us. We hate it. Here's the thing with the last of us.

You knew, I was like, I won't watch this. Like John, my husband loves an apocalyptic movie. Me too. Like he loves a worldwide epidemic. Like he loves the heartless. I already have my checklist. I he loves to have my childless. I already know exactly what I would do. There you go, that's John. That's good, that's good planning. Yeah.

Great the pharmacy get my HIV medicine. That's the motherfucking first thing. That I'm wanting to get the guns. I'm really like not into guns. I think I was scared of them, but in that situation, you do an Armageddon like post apocalypse. Like I'm getting so fucking Danny with it.

Then I'm taking my ass to the grocery store. Yeah, I'm getting all those fucking cans. The canned goods and the pop tart, even though they're not in the can. They still count. Oh, pop tarts can preserve. Oh, they are. They are. What kind of pop tarts do you guys like?

I like the brown sugar cinnamon ones. The Oreo ones. Those are my favorite. And I was just going to say the brown sugar cinnamon ones. The Oreo ones. Those are my favorite. And I was just going to say the cookies and cream ones are dessert pop tart. I like the strawberry too. Just go classic. Love them. I fuck with some more.

That's my second favorite. More is so good. Yes. Brown sugar cinnamon is my number one. Yeah. Brown sugar is classic. I want to start a small tart. If you want to get really decadent with it, then you put them in the toaster.

Take them out when they're nice and warm. Can you put ice cream on them? No, that sounds great. You put a little butter in the crust. Oh, you put them around the whole. Okay, good. You know what I do? I am so impatient and so

and able to control myself. Me too. That I will eat. I will take one package out, eat them together, sack on top of each other cold. Like I will wild-taste the other pair. Amazing. It's a meal.

That's next level. I need it. I need it other pair. It's a meal. That's next level. I need it. I need it out front. I can't wait for three minutes, but I like it. Room temp and hot, so I just do both. It works both. Elena, please laugh at me whenever we order food or something. I eat something in preparation for the food to come.

She's like, we have food coming. I'm like, yeah, but I'm really hungry. I feel that though. Yeah. Actually, my nutritionist taught me to do that because then you don't overeat the meal. Like I still do. Yeah, I like it just helped me though.

I also like I'll also like have a snack like before I order now. Because then I'm like a little bit less enraged. I'm a great you are. I'm a grazer. I like to eat throughout the day. Drew and I are doing a challenge this month where we don't order DoorDash for dinner because it's gotten really, really bad. I was going through

my statement the other day and I was like, all of my money is going to DoorDash. Same. And I am getting married in 33 weeks and these hips, they do lie. They do lie. They do not. Shakira. they do lie. They do lie. They do not. Shakira. Shakira. So yeah, so yeah, that's that. This is the most fun I ever had. This is so much fun. We need to do this again. I want to do this and it'll be easier to sketch you. I will bring on. Yeah, I love you so much. Can we just like, I just, I have to still finish part two of the Hollywood slayer. That's where I know. Yes. That one is raw. That one's gnarly. You should start Fender pump rolls. If I'm going to watch Sister Act, you should start. It's true. Home. It's kind of like an uneven.

It's kind of uneven. I'm only giving you like four hours. I'm only even then I'm only giving you seven hours. That's true. We're giving you 10 seasons. You're giving me like such a big commitment. But here's what's present. It is. Here's what's more accurate. Okay. If you get through Cisteract 1 and 2 and then 1996 women's Olympic team final. Okay. And the last of us, then I shall pin birth on the that's more that I can but apocalyptic hour per hour. I'm telling you the last of us, I did not want to like it, but I love

Pedro Pascal and you will too. And also that third episode that that episode from one hairdresser to another. If you just like appreciate it for like the lighting, the hair and the makeup, like how would you dress someone's hair if it had not been cut for 20 years if the world had shut down?

Like how would you interpret like that's kind of like, because like before I made TV, I didn't watch TV for that as much. But then once I understood like what it looks like in real life versus what it looks like on TV, like in an unscripted way, now I like I appreciate more of like lighting. And like how long would it took? Yeah, there's like more art there than I think you would appreciate if you just would give yourself the chance.

Yeah, you watch it. And the monsters in the last of us, are some of the most horrifically gorgeous monsters. I said, there's the monsters. They are like the bad things. Oh. The infected. And it gets better.

Like, you get more of them and there's different stages of infected where they look different. Okay. Most gorgeous makeup I've ever seen. All right, I'm telling you both right now, I'm gonna watch this. But it's gonna take me a long time

to get through it because I have to watch it by myself. And- I think it might, I think the first, I watched the pilot, like the first episode, like four times, in like the first week, because it was so, it was giving layers. Okay, I'm gonna watch it. It's layers.

I'm gonna do more layers than a fucking shag, honey. And you know, that's a lot of motherfucking layers. I'm in a lot of layers. I'm in a lot of layers. I'm in a lot of layers. I'm in a lot of layers. I'm in a film you when you get to that third episode because I have to pass that trauma on that job. It's a curve ball. It's a curve ball. We're going to have to watch it together when Drew goes away. Okay. Oh, yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I'm asking for you, I am asking you to aggressively make some time for that. Yeah. Well, I will. I'll force it. We don't have time for a fucking vacation out of your partner. When the fuck's he gonna leave? He's all we will.

He's all the time. I'm all I ever hear about in your podcast. I don't have time for two weeks. I don't have time for that shit. Elena doesn't. Nobody does. Nobody is. I just heard this tonight.

Can you imagine if someone yes? Yes. Elena does it, nobody does, nobody is, I presume. I just heard this tonight. Can you imagine if someone yes? Yes. Okay. You have to lie to you, I will. Just episode one. Okay, the word of the word. Please. Either you're a really good liar

or you're going to be, because I feel like your face changed. Yeah, because I feel like I believe you. Like I went from not believing to like, not about anything just about the last of us specifically. Yeah, because I feel like I believe you. Like I went from not believing to like not about anything just about the last of us specifically. Yeah, of course. She knows that I'm going to make it happen. Will you send me a deal? I'm going to let it go. Will you send me a message? If you want, I want to know what you think. Oh, you're just saying, please, or just text me. It's even better. Sometimes I forget that.

I'm pretty sure. I'm really happy about it for you that I do forget that. No, don't forget. Yeah. It's even better. Sometimes I forget that. I'm pretty sure it's really better for you than I do. I do forget that. No, don't forget. Yeah. Always remember. Yeah, I'm going to text you once I'm done with it. There you go. More of it is number one.

More of it has so much fun. Okay, now let's do your things for listening. Okay, I was just going to invite you to do it. Do you want to do the keep it weird? Yes. Okay, ready? Yeah. All right, guys, well that was our episode with JVN. I'm very sad that it is over,

but with all that being said, we hope you keep listening, and we hope you keep it weird. Jonathan, but not so weird that what? But not so weird that you try to take your step aunties and heritins and then take your two best friends and then murder her with a frying pan and a teapot and then Clean her body and then take her up to the top of the stairs and throw her down the stairs and then

Get grenade launchers and all this weird fucking shit and just like take care of your family bird But do do that, but don't do the other stuff No, that was really good. That was really good. I love it. I love it into the podcast so much. I love it when you do that. I keep moving in. I just did it justice. Oh, you did really good. I felt it going worse than I said.

Why can't you just take care of people because it's not so weird that you would was like, yeah, do it and take care of people. That's only the bad stuff. But then you just talk yourself through it. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, you got it. You got it. Yeah, you got it. You got it. Hey, Prime Members!

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