Morbid - Episode 615: Vampire Talk with Doug Jones

Episode Date: November 4, 2024

Weirdos! Are you ready to talk about Vampires? Today we are joined by the ICONIC actor Doug Jones, the nicest monster in Hollywood! He has played everyone from Billy Butcherson in the Hocus Pocus films, the Fawn & the Pale Man in Pan’s Labyrinth, to the Amphibian Man in the Academy Award winning film The Shape of Water, as well as the titular role in David Lee Fisher’s Nosferatu: A Symphony of Horror available NOW on AppleTV, Amazon Prime, and other purchasing platforms! We ask him about his experience playing the hilarious Baron Afanas on What We Do in the Shadows which entered its final season on October 21st on FX! Ash tops off the episode telling us about a vampire legend from Poland. It has goat throwing! It has pacts with the devil! It has supernatural halitosis! It is the vampire story that keeps giving, hopefully, with the aid of our friend Dougie, will come to a theater near you at some point in the future! Looking for the Full story of Cuntius?? Visit https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/An_Antidote_Against_Atheism/Book_III/Chapter_IXSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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And we have a very special episode of Morbid today. Woo, Doug Jones is here, guys. Weirdos. We, I mean, Doug Jones is an absolute icon, to be perfectly honest. And also we can, we can also say that he is the nicest monster in Hollywood. 100%. We have had to reschedule this pod twice because of just various shenanigans that occur. Nicest man ever. Like truly, if it was going to happen with everyone, anyone, I'm glad it happened with Doug. So thank you for being so patient with us.

Oh, and you mean, I love you guys. No, we love you. We love you. So Doug has breathed life into roles like the fawn and the pale man and Pan's labyrinth. Those are two of my favorites, like all time favorites. So good. The amphibian man in the Academy award winning film,

The Shape of Water. His resume includes the roles of Billy Butcherson, iconic from Hocus Pocus, Baron Alphanass on What We Do in the Shadows, as well as the titular role in David Lee Fisher's upcoming film, Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror. And we are just so excited to have him on the pod today. So again, thank you so much for joining us. Oh, thank you. And I can't live up to that introduction. I think we're done here. You already have. You do every day.

Thank you. So you're like, like we just said, your resume is mighty, like one of the mightiest. We have to ask, how are you able to do all that, to be all that, to personify all that, and still keep your feet on the ground and truly be the nicest monster in Hollywood? Oh, well, thank you for thinking of me in that manner. I don't deserve it. I love you for that. You do.

It's funny. My resume is long, not because I'm really that good. It's just because I'm that old. I've been around a while, you know? So, I've been, my career has happened because of the graciousness and kindness of the Creature Effects makeup people, honestly. If it wasn't for their referrals early on that propelled me to the next project and the next one and the next one, I never would have met the, you know, the wonderful Rolodex of directors I have now worked with, including the ever great Guillermo del Toro.

It's because of those early days being, you know, when you come to Hollywood land and you're a tall, skinny, goofy actor boy, 6'3", 135 pounds, and you have a background as a mime, and you can also put your legs behind your head, so your resume says contortionist on it. There you go. So that was like my first commercial agents dream It's like okay, we can do so much with this Yeah, so they submitted me for all kinds of things that were physical tomfoolery and clowning and miming of course

And a lot of those roles that came with that kind of breakdown Also came with a look that needed to be glued on to me. So those early commercials that I did, the very first commercial I ever did was for Southwest Airlines as a dancing mummy. I love it. Right. How that worked into an airline, I'll never remember. But I think the fares had dropped low enough that I could finally come out of my sarcophagus and go on vacation. I think that'sies had dropped low enough that I could finally come out of my sarcophagus and go on vacation. I think that's how it worked. And then shortly after that,

I booked a commercial for a World of Wonder toys for a doll commercial. And I was an alien landing in a kid's backyard. And I thought I was making first contact because the doll was left out and it was a talking doll, but you know, you push it on the belly, it's like, ooh, that tickles, whatever. So it was like a funny little, oh, we're first contact.

But it was, yeah. So it was like a funny little, oh, we're first contact. But it was with, yeah. That creature effects makeup designer that made those alien outfits for that commercial, then also was doing the moon head for the Mack Tonight campaign for McDonald's. I remember those so vividly. Right, well, it's set to the theme song, taken from Mack the Knife,

but rebranded for McDonald's as Macktonite. I love it. It's Macktonite! Hey! Yeah. So I ended up booking that job as the Crescent Moonhead guy under this huge heavy mask, also created by Steve Neal. So I was already getting a taste of, ah, the creature effects world is tight and almost incestuous and, you know, and they're very loyal. So if they like working with you. So the reputation got around town that I'm tall, skinny, move well, and don't complain when there's a lot of stuff on me. LS. You're lovely to work with. CB. So I guess that's the reputation that got around the creature effects. So the referrals happened and snowballed from there.

And here we are 38 years later. And it's with a resume that I never foresaw. I never, I never saw it like, I want to be monsters. I really wanted to be a sitcom star when I started. I wanted to be like a goofy next door neighbor that comes, you know, like on the Dick Van Dyke show. Or being Kramer on the Seinfeld. The guy who comes in and does something funny and leaves. Yeah, right.

I had very low aspirations for myself. You surpassed all of them. Very much. Thank you. So getting swept up by the creature effects world was a surprise to me, but a happy one that has turned into a career that has been very, very good to me. It has turned into a career that has been very, very good to me. And you know, when you mention the likes of Guillermo del Toro, when you are standing on the stage at the Academy Awards, because a movie you were in called The Shape of Water just won Best Picture, and you're there with the entire team accepting the award for best picture.

And it's an Academy best picture with a monster on the cover. This doesn't happen. Yeah, it really doesn't. And you happen to be the guy who played that monster. It's surreal moment. You can imagine. I was gonna say, how does your brain wrap around that? Like just being on the Academy award stage

must be like, what? You're looking out a sea of the most famous faces And then you can wrap around that. Like just being on the Academy Awards stage must be like, what? You're looking out a sea of the most famous faces you've ever seen in your life. And they're all looking back at you with adoration in their eyes. It's like this moment doesn't happen to just anybody. No. It doesn't.

That's a pinch me moment for sure. Totally, totally. I'd be like, the aliens should abduct me now. This is insane. Right? That's a good time to die happy. Right? Truly. You're like, I'm good.

It's funny that you brought up the Macktonite character. Oh, yeah. One, I vividly remember those commercials, so that's so funny. But also, our researcher for Morbid, our friend Dave, his father, Jim White, actually directed a lot of those commercials. So we had like this weird one degree of separation. Isn't that nuts? What are the chances? Isn't that weird?

Yeah, it's awesome. Yeah. And I remember us talking about this like a long time ago when he brought up like, oh, my dad directed those things. We're like, oh my God, I used to love those commercials. And then we found out you were Mack tonight. We were like, what? If you can get a message back to him that I love him dearly to this day. We definitely will. I love that.

And we spoke about Guillermo del Toro. And I have to ask because I'm a huge Guillermo del Toro fan. I think he is so brilliant. And he seems like just one of, he's one of those people that he seems like one of the sweetest, kindest, just like genuine person. What is it? Is he that person? What is it like to work with him?

Yes, he will, they say don't meet your heroes, but he is one you would absolutely love to meet. Oh, that's so nice. Because he will live up to all of your dreams and expectations of who he is. I love that. You can imagine how often I get asked, what's it like to work with Cameron Latour?

You gotta tell me that. Oh yeah. Cause you're not alone in that love for him. I hear such love for him everywhere I go. And when you work with him, you are doing two things. You are under the tutelage of one of the most visionary, brilliant artists in the world ever. You're also hanging out with like a funny friend who is the self-effacing, hilarious, and sassy as can be. So he's right. I love that he's sassy. Oh, no, he's got the best sense of humor. And in fact,

he's a director that understands his actors better than any director normally does. He directs all of us on the same project in different ways, depending on our personality and what we'll respond to, because he's already sussed all that out. Wow. He's brilliant with the human spirit and psychology and all of it. So with the set of buttons on us

that he now knows what to push to get what reaction out of us on the day, he'll direct like, so from the Hellboy movies, Ron Perlman, Selma Blair and Doug Jones, very different personalities. So we all got different types of direction from him. Oh, that's like brilliant. Now with me, it's very simple. He knows if he can make me laugh, I'll do whatever he says. So one of my favorite examples was from Hellboy 2,

the Golden Army. There was one long tracking shot that he wasn't going to cut away to anything. He had no coverage to cut away to. So I had to do a lot of physical business while this one camera circled me. And I had to be done with the business by the time the camera stopped.

Well, I wasn't. The first take of this, it's like I was going slow and methodical and like milking these moments visually. And by the time the camera stopped, it just stayed there for a while and I wasn't done yet. Finally, Guillermo del Toro, finally he yells, cut, doggy, you're boring me to tears. And that's all he had to say.

I was like, got it, got it. I'll go, I'll go in a different direction. Take two words. And yeah, yeah. I just love him dearly. We do have a shorthand like that. Oh, I love that. That makes me so happy because it truly is one of those things that it's, you hear

that all the time, don't be your heroes. And I'm like, not Guillermo. I love it. be your heroes and I'm like, not Guillermo. You can meet Guillermo. There you go. Meet Guillermo. Guillermo. Guillermo. I love it. But so one of the big things that's happening right now is that we are in the final season of What We Do in the Shadows.

Yeah. Which, yeah. Bittersweet, right? It starts on the 21st. And you obviously play Baron Alphanass, amazing character. So good. You are are like chef's kiss. What is it, has it been emotional to say goodbye to that character in the show? Yes. By the way, the Baron loves you very much too, my darling.

Don't worry about it. Playing Baron Alphanass has been the joy of my life. You know, after this 38 year career of mine, you I have behind me with more coming ahead, of course. But looking back, it's like, I've looked forward to going to work a very handful of times over all of the jobs that I've done, because I know that a lot of them are very physically taxing and I know what's ahead of me

and I'm gonna have to go through the process and the thing and the thing, right? Or I have a ton of science fiction dialogue that I have to blurt out in a monologue with Techno talking it, and I love them, but dread them at the same time, if that makes any sense. Yeah, definitely.

What we do in the shadows? Oh my gosh, I look forward to it with like, I can't wait to get there. I love that. Because when you're doing something that's all for the funny, and you are taking vampire tropes and sending them up and like, you know, just like mocking all of it.

The best. You know, in this age of comedy that we're in now, everyone's being so careful to not offend. Well, our show does nothing but offend everybody. You know? And that's what makes it great. And it's got an old school vibe to it because of that. Yeah.

We love an equal opportunity to offend her. Absolutely. Let's make fun of everybody and we're all taking care of them. Across the board. Yeah. So then nobody's left out and everybody can be offended together. Exactly. Right.

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So years ago, if you had asked me what's my dream role, it would have been what we're gonna talk about next would be Nosferatu, right? Of course. The dark mystery of him and the horrific look of him. Well, when I was offered the role as Baron Athanas, and what we do in the shadows, he kind of was a parody of Nosferatu

in a way. He's the vampire that comes from the old world. And he sent all of his minions out to North America to conquer the new world and they never made it out of Stanton Island. So he kind of stays there with them now. Like whatever, right? So I just, I the the that now that I've done the Nosferatu a Symphony of Horror movie And what we do in the shadows, I've had both the light and the dark of this of this type of vampire character I that's my favorite part is that you've touched both sides of the spectrum on the vampire scale. It's so perfectly And speaking of like just I was just thinking about like how you were saying, like some days you would be like, oh God, I have to go in and like, you know,

I'd have to like spew out all this dialogue that's crazy, or I have to go in the makeup chair. Do you do anything specific? Cause I know you probably had to sit in that makeup chair for a lot of these roles for a long time. Do you have to do anything specific to like, get yourself in a vibe to be able to do that? Well, here's the weird thing about me, is that I don't need to do anything specific to like get yourself in a vibe to be able to do that? Well, here's the weird thing about me is that I don't need

to do anything specific. Unlike most people, I don't get antsy. I don't get stir crazy. I can sit still and stare at a wall for hours and be completely entertained. Wow. What is that like? I know.

That's amazing. Because that's the number one question I get from people is like, I would go crazy if I just sit still for that long. And it's like, nope, that's the easy part of my day. The makeup artists are doing all the work during that time. And I get to just kind of sit there and go over my dialogue if I need to, or we listen to music or we tell jokes or whatever, right?

It's a great time of day. But it's when now, now that it's on and you have extra heat, weight, stickiness to your person, and you have to heat, weight, stickiness to your person, and you have to perform in it all day and keep your energy up while wearing extra layers of stuff and trying to not stick to your chair when you're taking a break or whatever it is, right? That's the long part of the day for me. I can imagine.

Yeah, yeah. Because that would destroy me. I'm so heat sensitive that I feel like as soon as I started sweating, I'd be like, get it off. I know. Help me. Oh, I delineate between suits and makeups. A monster suit would be something that you slip in to zip up the back, right?

And it might involve a head that's that slips over your head, snaps down to the neck. And then you get, there's mechanics that are puppeteered in the face, right? That's a suit. Makeup would be either glued or painted onto my real person. So when you're in the suit, there's nothing quite like that feeling of,

now it goes on much faster. You're maybe 30 minutes into the whole thing and you're ready to perform. But once it's on, it is, they're usually very heavy and very hot. And you feel that trickle of sweat going down the back of your neck and you can't get to it. Or you feel that trickle of sweat

coming down the side of your face. Is it gonna hit my eye? I don't know. Is it gonna go, ah, it's on the cheekbone now. I guess we've been, you know, whatever. Oh. Yeah, cause salty sweat in the eye, you don't wanna do that while you're on camera.

Not great. Not ideal. I give you credit. Truly. I think the heaviest thing I've ever worn is my wedding dress and even that at the end of the night. I was like, get this off of me. I was like, seriously.

People who just wear wigs on camera, it's an itchy mess. And they don't want them off. I totally get it. Oh, yeah. Wearing a wig for Halloween, I'm like, why did I choose to do this? Like, this is awful. He ended up ripping it off at the end of the night It's an itchy mess and they don't let them off. I totally get it. Yeah. Oh yeah. Wearing a wig for Halloween, I'm like, why did I choose to do this? It's awful. Right.

He ended up ripping it off at the end of the night like, ah. Right, right, right. Well, going back to our love of vampires, your love and our love, we are so excited, like completely stoked for the premiere of David Lee Fisher's Nosferatu, a symphony of horror that is premiering on October 18th on Apple TV Plus. So everybody go check it out. But this is a very different approach to remaking a classic film.

It's shot in black and white. It's so hauntingly beautiful. We got to get a little sneak peek. Thank you for the screener. It is delicious looking. It's beautiful. So can you tell us a little bit, do you know anything about like

how they really created the film? Yeah, yeah. Thank you for setting that up so beautifully, by the way. Because it's a very confusing time for the title Nosferatu because there is another one right on our tail coming out Christmas, directed by the wonderful Robert Eggers and starring the brilliant Bill Skarsgård in the same role I'm playing. Now he might be younger hotter, and more famous than me, but I think we can have both, can't we? Absolutely. We all want both. Okay, good. We do.

And I'm going to watch theirs with every bit of glee as I'm watching on my own. Ours though, what makes ours a little bit different is it's scene for scene the same movie as the silent film that made it a classic in the first place. So I got to get into not only Max Shrek's role, but I also was in his environment, digitally reproduced from the original film. David Lee Fisher, our director, is a technical wizard who made this all magic happen. So it might be something as much as when I was out, let's say when Nosferatu is outside walking around with his coffin under one arm, that would be a complete 100% green screen set with marks on the floor to match exactly where I needed to turn, stop, walk up steps, whatever, right?

That we would match then with the laid-in frame from the old movie. Then the least amount of green screen used might be Ellen's bedroom when I finally get into her and I'm finally reaching the pinnacle, the object of my desire. She's the dessert of all the meals I've had over my vampire years. Her bedroom scene was walls built, furniture in the room, and the window though was green behind it so that they could put in the original movie window behind that. That's amazing. So there's a green screen element to every scene of the movie. Yeah. And so that does bring old and new together

with a very ethereal kind of dreamlike feel to it. Right. But also, ours, that's why we filmed ours in black and white so that we could match the old movie more seamlessly. And also with dialogue and sound that fleshes out that silent film story. It is scene for scene the same story,

but now with dialogue, you get to hear more of it. Yes. Right, right. And it really does have that ethereal quality to it. It does. It's almost like, I don't even know if this is the right word. It feels like gauzy. Yeah. When you watch it,

it's this pretty veil. That's a great word. That is. You know, like, I don't know why, it just feels gauzy. I love it. She's a novelist, it makes sense. Yeah, it makes perfect sense, yeah. Well, you mentioned before that you, this is a role you hoped you would play someday.

So how was it playing this role? Was it completely surreal? Yes, yes, yes. He had been my bucket list character for many years. And I think I always had a love and fascination with vampires anyway. And of course I loved Billa Lugosi as Dracula. And of course all the other Dracula's over the years

that have been played by various wonderful actors. But there's a certain sexiness about Dracula that I thought, I don't know that Doug Jones can pull that off. I think you totally can. Bless you, bless you for that. But then there's also the teenager sparkly ones from that other franchise that I'm like,

I'm never going to fit that demographic. That's okay. That's totally fine. Right. But the buck-toothed, pointy-eared scraggly one, yes, him I get. Ding ding ding. Yeah. That's why I know Sartre. But what I also love about his hideous look is that he's probably not aware that he looks that bad now. He's a count, right? So he's

of nobility. In his younger day when he was a human, he probably was quite fetching, you know? Right? And he probably was respected by the community and all kinds. And who knows what story got him, what decisions he made, what position he put himself in to become a vampire. And now decades, you know, millennia, you know, centuries later, who knows how old he is? He's living with his choice, right? And is he ever satisfied? Is this a satisfying lifestyle for him? So that's why what I loved about him was his yearning for Ellen, the character that I'm after in the movie. By the way, Ellen was played by Sarah Carter.

Sarah Carter and I starred together as series regulars on Falling Skies about 10 years ago. Oh my God. Oh wow. And it's because of that relationship that I said, "'Hey Sarah, would you be a deer?' Oh, I love that. And she's like, "'Oh my gosh, I love this. So that's how we got her into the movie. Oh, that's awesome.

I play Ellen. Okay. Is she not a movie star? Oh my God. Ridiculous. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Incredible. And gorgeous from every angle. I know, I know, I know. I told her. And so her husband in the movie, Young Thomas was played by M. Reese Cooper.

He's a series regular on Coronation Street now, that it's a very British. He's from Great Britain, so that his accent was legit. Oh, I love that. So he's sent on this journey by his real estate boss who goes crazy. By the way, his real estate boss was the character Knock, played by an actor named Edgar Allan Poe. Do you believe that? Stop it.

Destined perfection. Is that perfection? Should I know that name? Yeah, I don't know what from. But yeah. So, Nock sends young Thomas on this journey to fetch me in Transylvania because I'm interested in buying a piece of property in their hometown right across the street from them. Because something about me, you know, Ellen has been calling to me from afar and I haven't really, you know, known who she is yet or what she is, but I know that I need her. He comes to me to

sign paperwork for this real estate deal. And while he's with me, he's getting creeped out by all that I am, what I look like. And I love those scenes when, you know, we're at the dinner table and he's eating food and I'm not, and I'm just kind of staring at him or you know. I love that so much. So fun. Right? There was so much dialogue happening in those quiet, silent moments where he's very uncomfortable and I'm very comfortable.

Too comfortable. And one of my favorite moments too was I'm about to sign the paperwork and I pause for a minute and say, uh, uh, do you have the time? And he hands me his pocket watch in which was a photograph of Ellen, his wife. And that was like, done, done, that was the moment that count Orlock realizes that's the object of my desire. That's who I've been dreaming of. That's who I've been wanting all this time. So he rushes and signs the paperwork and now it's a done deal. So what I love too about this story is that once he gets to the town and takes residency across the street from Ellen and Thomas, he doesn't go right for her right away. He's peers at her through the window like a creep. Of course.

And other people in town are dying all around them. They think there's an epidemic that's, you know, wiping, there's some kind of a virus wiping out the city. So he saves her for dessert, right? And by the time he gets to her, this is the ultimate. This is what, right, the moment, his whole life as a vampire has been leading to this moment. It's his magnum opus.

Right, and I love that David Lee Fisher left the camera on me for a long time while I am on her neck. And it's very sensual and very disgusting all at the same time. It's beautifully horrific. Beautifully horrific, great way to say it. So when he then when he comes to and realizes that the sun is up and he's coming through the window, he's like he kind of overdid it. He over-indulged in his addiction.

I think that's when he had his come to light moment. I wanted to add some humanity into him because watching the silent film, of course, it's very dramatic and, you know, and Max Shrek struck that pose when he got in front of the window with a hand on the heart and a hand toward the window. Like, no, not the sun.

Right? So I wanted to strike that iconic pose as I tried to strike a lot of his iconic poses throughout the film, but give some backstory meaning and some heart and soul of why he got into that pose. Oh, I love that. This show is sponsored by BetterHelp. This month is all about gratitude, so I want to shout out the people in this room, Alaina and Mikey, and from afar, Dave, because without the four of us, this show just wouldn't exist, and I love the four of us.

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Sure. And if I die, you know what? Maybe I deserve it by now. I think that's kind of the backstory I gave him that maybe Max Shrek, I'm not sure did or not. So it translates definitely. It really does. No, thank you. Thank you so much. That's very, very sweet. Beautiful and wonderful intimidating to play this role too, because there's no way to not compare me to Max Shrek and also to all the other Nosferatu's including Willem Dafoe's brilliant Shadow of the Vampire version. And of course, Bill Skarsgård coming. I'm sure he's going to be delicious in whatever he does with it too.

Definitely. Yeah, I could see why that would be an intimidating role to take on for sure. I love that you put like your own like spin on it though and that you put your own like feelings into those poses and everything, because it really does translate. Yeah, you left your mark on Nosferatu. Oh, thank you so, so much. Yeah, I was so happy that our director too was on board with like making sure we hit all those iconic notes.

Like when he's in the bowels of the ship in transit, and the captain comes down and sees him like standing up from his coffin, stiff as a board, right? So good. Right, that took some engineering, by the way. I'm bad. But we did it. And then also that famous shadow going up the stairs

on his way to Ellen's bedroom. So spooky. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then of course, like I said, the grabbing of the heart and the hand out to the sun when it's time. That was my favorite. Classic, I love it. Classic Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then of course, like I said, the grabbing of the heart and the hand out to the sun when it's time. Classic. I love it. Classic, classic moment, yeah.

It's awesome. Going back to the look, you mentioned, does he even know that he looks like this? What was the costuming like? Was it very heavy on prosthetics? How was that for you? Good question. As far as prosthetics go, again,

I've played creatures that are rubberized from head to toe. This was not that. This was head and hands, thank question. This was, as far as prosthetics go, again, I've played creatures that are rubberized from head to toe. This was not that. It was his head and hands, thank heaven. With a very specific wardrobe to match the original wardrobe. And there was a bit of a hump built into the back because he was hunched over in the original film. I think I probably stand a little straighter than Max Schreck did, but they still did have some extra built into that hump area of the back with this long double-breasted coat. That was gorgeous. I wore more prosthetics than the other Nosratus have. Really?

That had played him more, including Max Schreck was very smooth. It was basically his face with a bald cap and some ears and some funny swaps of hair placed just so. I was more wrinkled and elderly looking, which was a design choice. And here's the fun backstory of that look. Michael Lazzalde, a very talented artist who owns the creature shop Spectral Motion that did the Hellboy movies with me and the Silver Surfer movie with me. And he, as a garage project at home,

started sculpting a Nosferatu decades ago on a life cast of me, my bust. Oh, wow. He added clay to me and started sculpting what he thought Nosferatu might look like in his dreams. And he came up with that. Once it was done, they had prosthetic pieces made of it. And just as a test, fun makeup test one day, he called up and said, would you ever want to put this on just for a Saturday afternoon fun photo shoot? I said, yes. It's like manifesting. Yeah. Right. So we went and did that. And this is, again, a good 10 years before this movie came up. Oh, this is my Yeah, so to win david lee fischer, uh who i'd worked with before on a movie much like this we did

We did a reimagining a remix of the cabinet of dr. Caligari That 1919 silent film that we made into the same thing old movie new movie put together with dialogue sound musical score Uh, so david lee fischer calls me up one day and says, hey, if you don't wanna do this, I won't do it, but I have this idea, would you wanna ever do Nosferatu like we did Caligari? And I was like, you have been reading my dreams, yes. Right?

So, and I said in that same phone call, oh my gosh, I know exactly what makeup I wanna wear doing this too. So we went back to Michael Lazzaldi and his design is what Moe Meinhardt and Ben Plowman put on me on the day. It took about four hours a day and those four hours also included appliances on the back of my hands to make them more bony and veiny. Right. And also to add those long delicious talons.

The acrylics. Fingernails, yes. The acrylics. Yeah, right, right. talk about Lee Preson nails, those are, yeah. That is so cool, it was like you were manifesting this 10 years in advance, that's amazing. Yeah, for real.

Isn't that wackadoodle? I know, I love it, just love it. See, it was meant to be. Yeah, that's crazy. It really was. So, speaking of all these vampire things, because vampires are so much fun, and it's spooky season,

and Nosferatu, a symphony of horror is coming, like, why not talk about a funny, stinky vampire legend really quick? We thought. Oh, okay. I want to hear this. Yes. All right. I've got a stinky vampire for you. Okay. Okay. This case of vampirism brings us all the way back to Pensch Silesia, a section of Poland. It was the ye olde days of 1582. Oh.

And Johannes... That is ye olde. It's ye olde. Johannes Könches was out with one of his horses. They were all trying to repair the horse's shoe. It was him and a couple of assistants. Now, something went wrong where the horse got upset and actually ended up kicking Könches, knocking him unconscious. Also, I swear that's his name and I'm not swearing right now. Yeah, Conscious went unconscious.

Yeah, exactly. So luckily, like I said, he wasn't working out there alone. So they picked him up, they brought him inside, laid him down in bed. Now, he slipped in and out of consciousness in the following days. But in the moments where he was with it awake, some dark, dark secrets started to come out. Uh oh. Conscious was very, very worried about dying because the life he led wasn't really the purest. He was a well-respected alderman in a small community, but he admitted while laying on his deathbed that his life had been full of various sins. Some even claimed that he admitted to making a deal with the devil. That's a big one.

That's a huge one. That'll send you straight to the east. Yeah. Life altering. So the story goes that the deal was made around the same time that Cunchus's young son disappeared. And many believe that he actually sold his son to the devil for money, which right after his son disappeared, he fell into a great sum of." That's the biggest sin you could do, I feel, selling your son to the devil. That's damning evidence too, isn't it? Yeah, that's very damning evidence. The timing is suspect. The literal receipts are there.

And that's the sin of all sins. Money has exchanged hands. Exactly. Hands, claws, whatever have you. Whatever have you. So while he laid dying in his bed, he would call out, woe is me, how do I burn him? And I'm all on fire.

And he would repeat over and over again that his sins were quote, bigger than all of the world besides and we all agree. Yeah, and everyone said, ooh. They said, you sold your son to the devil conscious. What did you expect? Yeah, that tracks, yeah. So the night that conscious actually did die,

he did eventually come to his death. The great unconscious is what he became. The great unconscious. That was great. Thank you for that. No problem. So, the night that he did die, his son, his oldest son that didn't get sold to the devil, was sitting in the room with him and later said that a black cat slinked into the room,

jumped upon Conchis' chest and started scratching at his face feverishly, almost like the cat was trying to erase him from this world, the son said. And this was right before he died. That's poetic. He wasn't completely dead yet. It is poetic. His son said that as the cat suddenly disappeared from the room, Conchis breathed out his last breath. Ooh, so he did erase him from the world.

He did, the cat said, my job here is done. You're okay. He licked his paws and left the room, right? Yeah, he said, you're welcome. He said, peace out you guys. So the moment that Conscious did die, a great storm was said to have started, and it raged on all throughout his funeral.

Henry Moore wrote, No sooner Cunchus was dead, but a great tempest arose, which raged most at his very funeral, there being such impetus storms of wind and snow, that it made men's bodies quake, their teeth chatter in their heads. But soon as he was interred, all of a sudden it was calm. Damn. Isn't that beautiful? That is beautiful. Is that okay Henry? Yes.

So there were actually a lot of moving pieces surrounding Conscious's burial. His friends and family all felt, you know, they had heard of his sins, but they said, maybe he was just, you know, unconscious and talking crazy. They said, I really think he's a great man and he deserves to be laid to rest in a hallowed place. So they all got together and pooled their money

to make sure that he was buried to the right of the church's altar, which I guess in ye old days was the best place to be. Primo spot. Primo spot. Like rockstar parking. Yeah. So apparently very shortly after he was put to rest there, little splats of blood started

showing up on the church's cloth, which was right above where his grave was. That's so metal. And listen to this, people around town started claiming that they were seeing Conscious roam the streets. That would be, you know, well and fine,, cool, be a ghost, be a specter. But Cunchus wasn't just a specter. He was a menace to the town and a straight up criminal. According to occultworld.com, when Cunchus started roaming the streets again, he was

going wild. His specter, quote, strangled old men, galloped around the house like a horse, wrestled with people. This is my personal favorite, vomited fire. Like we said. That is menacing. That's menacing. There's more though.

Like we said, bought in the church's altar cloth with blood. This is horrible. Bashed the heads of dogs against the ground. Oh, straight to jail. Straight to jail. Turned milk into blood. Drank up supplies of milk. S, straight to jail. Straight to jail. Turned milk into blood. Ew.

Drank up supplies of milk. Sucked cows dry. Threw goats about. Devoured chickens and pulled up fence posts. Just a few of the activities that he was up to. Threw goats about and also pulled up fence posts. Like he was like, bah, your fence. Whilst vomiting fire.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Right, that was his own personal workout. Yeah, exactly. Apparently, yeah. Calisthenics, right? Right. So he was getting all of that, you know,

some of that was like not so great. Most of it, you were just like, okay, cunches, you're getting crazy. This is where it gets dark. He was also getting very frisky and inappropriate with the women in town. It's so like, it's so country. It's so country.

Shortly after his death, he was said to have returned to his own home, which neighbors had seen physically shaking in the days leading up to this incident. And he supposedly just walked right into his wife's bedroom and demanded that she move over so he could get into bed with her. Whoa.

Now, obviously that would be horrifying enough, but to add insult to injury, this specter conscious had the most foul breath that this woman had ever smelled in her life. Aw, this poor woman. Poor dear. Poor dear loses her husband and he comes back all stanky

wanting to get into bed. With halitosis, that's the worst. Lost her husband who sold their son to the devil. To the devil, yeah. And now has come back. She had some issues to work out in therapy, didn't she? And then he's like, move over. I'd be like, no.

She rode a horse to her therapist first thing in the morning and said, honey, sit down. Now she wasn't the only woman whose bed that Cunchus was trying to get into. Oh. Cunchus. Yeah. Many women in town were reporting seeing his specter appearing to them, touching them without permission, and stanking up the surrounding areas. He would stink.

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And people saw him on horseback a few times. You know, he goes for a ride every now and then. An evening stroll. You know, yeah. So obviously something had to be done about this, am I right? Yeah. You're so right. Get him out of here.

But what were the townspeople to do? How do you stop a dead man? Eh, no. Well, they started by going to his grave, and when they got there, they saw all these little holes in the ground, so they said, oh, that must be it. You know, he's like oozing out of the earth.

Obviously. So they said, well, fill these up, and maybe that will put an end to things. It did not. And the little holes just kept reappearing. So after going back to the drawing board, they decided something more had to be done here. They had to exhume his body and check it out. So they set out to do just that. And when his coffin was opened up, somehow, after six months of being dead as a doornail,

Conchis' body was perfectly preserved. Uh-oh. But I bet it stunk. It did stink, definitely. But it had to stink, though. Can't confirm. Had to stink, definitely. It's even said that they handed him a staff and he was able to reach out and grab it.

So they were like, this rocked their worlds even more. They said, what are we to do here? So they went, they actually went to a judge and had asked him what they should do. And he said the best thing that they could possibly do was burn conscious his body. So they said, okay, all right, let's do it. He's a vampire.

He's a vampire. They said, you're working with a vampire here. You got to burn him. Yeah. So they tried to, they tried to light him a blaze. and said, okay, all right, let's do it. Because he's a vampire. He's a vampire. They said, you're working with a vampire here, you gotta bring him. Yeah. So they tried to, they tried to light him a blaze, but his body wouldn't stay lit.

Conchis said, no. It's like, awful birthday candles. Yes, it's like trick candles. They got the idea from Conchis, you didn't know? You know, yeah. If you look on the back, it actually has this legend on the little package. It does, it's just more condensed, that's all. So they said, well, we got to do something about this. So they ended up cutting him into smaller pieces.

And when they made the first cut, they said blood spilled from him like it was still flowing freely throughout his body. My goodness. After six months of death. After six months of death. But luckily they ended up being able to fully burn the body once it was cut into smaller pieces and nobody ever saw or smelled conscious again. Damn.

Well. What a crazy tale, right? Was quite a tale. And then I, so I have to ask. So was, so was this an, are these true accounts? Are these, is this fictitious? Where does this story come from? Polish folklore at least, right?

Yes, it's Polish folklore. And it's based off of Henry Moore's version of events of this tale that he wrote. And it was basically something he was writing against atheism. Whoa. Oh, okay. Okay. Interesting. He was like conscious. It happens. He said, I love me. There's actually you can read and I'll link it in the show notes. You can read this tale in much greater detail because Henry Moore told us a lot about conscious. Oh, really? Okay. So you gave us the abridged version. This is the abridged version.

I didn't want to keep you here. I know you have other roles to get to, Ducky. You know, sure. I want to play conscious now. I'm sorry. I was gonna say your next role is right here. I'll send you the link to the detailed version and you find somebody to make that movie.

Okay, it's a deal. I'm surprised it hasn't been made yet. I know. I was I know this comes from 1500 something. Yeah, yeah. Just start practicing throwing goats about and vomiting. Right. And taking fences up by the pegs. Yes, just fences up. Just skip the other crappy stuff. Yeah, the dog beating and the woman. No, I don't want to. I'm going to toss great milking cows and turning them to blood. Yeah, maybe skip that part. But you know, throwing goats about is fine,

as long as you're not hurting them. Yeah, they can land on their hooves. Yeah, just holding their hooves and running around with them. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's the tale of conscience. Wow, thank you for that. That was a story I'd never heard before. I'm so glad. To tell Doug Jones a story he's never heard. Yeah. About a vampire. About a vampire.

About a vampire. Well, we would end on conscious, which would seem appropriate, but we do have one little thing that we would love to end on. We love to do a little short game with guests a lot because these tend to be fun to hear answers for. So we would like to know who out of these three characters that I'm going to list would be most likely to do these certain things I'm going to ask. So who out of Billy Butcherson, Baron Alphanas and Nosferatu would have compete, which one

would have won the Hunger Games? Okay, okay. Oh, not Billy. I don't think he has any powers to last very long. No, and the mouth so shut would be, you know, not great. Between Baron Affenes and Nosferatu. I'm going to say it's probably going to be the Baron. The Baron will have lasted longer for the Hunger Games because he tends to show like supernatural powers more often, right?

He flies, he zaps things with his hands. He could take them all. I think so. I think so too, and he's charming. He could do the alliance thing really well. Yeah, he's good at gaslighting. Yeah. I agree.

That's the perfect answer. Yeah. So the next one is out of those three characters, who would take over the world successfully if given the chance? Oh, poor Billy. I'm gonna have to leave him out of this one again. I know, poor Billy.

Bless his heart. He might win the next one. Yeah. Yeah, he probably will win the next one. Okay, okay, so why don't we, I'm gonna say, probably, let's go with Nosferatu on this one, because I think that Count Orlok, his subtleties and his sneaking around the back door kind of personality might be what gets him to take over things with no one knowing about it. Whereas the Baron is very out there and very

presentational. And yeah, right. Yeah, he does it with a flourish. And so you see it coming and he would be stopped before, but the count would be more shifty about it. Yes. Good point. Good point. I agree with that. I love the thought put into this. That was a good one. And the last one, I'm thinking about it, and it might not be Billy, but possibly. Who would have the biggest TikTok following? No, honestly, it is indeed Billy. I was gonna say, I felt like he was gonna win,

but I was, I didn't know if the Baron could edge him out. Well, the Baron would love to be the most famous of all of them because he's very, such a narcissist. But I think Billy would win because a scene that you did not, that you never saw or a moment you never saw from Hocus Pocus One that we did film but was cut from the film was, do you remember the costume dance party? Yes. Yes.

Where the witches get up on stage and sing, I put a spell on you. Iconic, yes. Iconic moment, right. Well, my character Billy Butcherson was in that scene and I fit into the costume party. Nobody really noticed me because everybody was done up as something. And so, oh, look, the fun zombie.

Right. Right. So I'm roaming about the crowd looking for the kids and trying to, you know, do my deed. And once Bette Miller sings, you know, I put a spell on you and then the whole crowd gets in a trance and starts Dance dance dancing until the spell is broken I I'm not under the spell but I thought it was it was kind of fun for me So there was a scene where you come the action continues outside the dance party But they come back to the dance party show everybody's still dancing a couple of times

Oh, I love one of those one of those coming back to the parties was going to be Billy hopping up onto stage and dancing once he had an audience. Oh my God. They can be like, hey, I'm here, I'm here. And I tell you something, I threw my legs about in such tomfoolery, I bounced up and down on the floor. I did the curler splits. I'm so sad we didn't get to see this.

Oh my God. So it was, that was a raging TikTok video before TikTok existed. Okay. You are correct. I think Billy would have the dance videos that could end all dance videos if he had a TikTok. Wow. I think that footage needs to be released and somebody needs to make Billy Butcher send a TikTok. Yes.

Yeah. Come on. Oh, I love knowing that. Thank you for that. That was such a good one. Don't talk about that very often. So you got, you might've gotten an. Oh, I love knowing that. Thank you for that. Oh, that was such a good one. Yeah, of course. Don't talk about that very often. So you might've gotten an exclusive there.

I love that. Dougie Jones forever. We always have so much fun with you. We do. Me too, you. So thank you so much for coming on today. We love sitting with you. You are always welcome.

You are one of our most favorite, most treasured guests. And plug, plug, plug, whatever you have now, upcoming, feel free to shout it from the rooftops here. Well, let's go down the list we talked about, of course. We have Nosferatu, a symphony of horror coming to Apple TV Friday, the 18th of October and on Amazon Prime as well. I'm also told it's on Fandango and Roku. And so look forward on whatever your device is.

Also, October 21st starts the new season, the final season of What We Do in the Shadows. Baron Affanasse does return for a few episodes. You'll see me on the first night. I think that they think they told me they're gonna show three episodes on the first night. So you can have a lot of shadows to start the season up. Nice. Also, Billy Butcherson, as we've talked about, is in Hocus Pocus one and two all month long on the Freeform channel playing as a double feature on various nights and days. And other than that, I have more movies coming. I've been doing a lot of indies and shorts over the last year and a half playing a lot of humans.

Oh, exciting. Yeah, I'm loving this phase. And one of them is a funny movie called Operation Taco Gary's. Obsessed already. Zany comedy, right? Two brothers are on a road trip across the country and when they get to their destination, they find themselves in the middle of a conspiracy

with an Earth takeover by aliens. And I might happen to be the alien trying to pass as a human who's the leader of all this. Yes. Amazing. I'm in. I'm in. So Operation Taco Gary's is going to be playing at the Austin Film Festival October 25th. Awesome. You have an exciting October, Doug. I know. It's quite a month.

It is. Yeah. And then next week, I'm actually going to North Carolina to film an episode of Blue Ridge, which is a, this is a turning of the page for me. I'm gonna play a guy who lives in the mountains and what happens with me is yet to be discovered. But that's a show that's led by Jonathan Sheck, if you remember him from, he was the lead singer of The Wonders in That Thing You Do.

And he was also the young hottie in a movie with one owner writer called American Quilt. That was kind of his breakout back in the day. I remember that movie. He also played Houdini in a TV movie of Houdini, which he was brilliant as that character. And he also played Jonah Hex in DC's, oh gosh, which DC show was that?

What was it? I'm so bad at these. Yeah, I know, I know, right? Anyway, so all my scenes are with him and I can't wait to play that out. That's this coming week, I'm gonna be filming that. So that'll come out on the Inspiration Channel and the Cowboy Way, I think,

when their season two finally airs. Oh, that sounds awesome. Blue Ridge. Man, you are busy. Yeah, so we're doing it. We're doing it this month. All good stuff. Getting after it. I love it. Yeah, seriously. Well, Doug.

Well, thank you again. Yeah, thank you so much. And again, you are welcome anytime. Oh, bless you all. Thank you so much for having me. I adore you two. Don't ever change, okay? We adore you. You either.

Okay, okay. Loving you so much. Oh, we love you so much.ving you so much. Oh, we love you so much. Thank you so much. Hi, Doug. Well, guys, we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird. Unfortunately, you'll never be able to keep it as cool as Doug Jones, but never. I meant to say keep it as weird.

You'll never be as cool as him. You'll never keep it as weird as Doug Jones. Love you! I'm going to be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a

little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a So please tell the children that Billy Billet-Chibuterson loves them very much. Would you do that for me? Amazing! I was just very much. Would you do that for me? Amazing! I was just going to ask you to do that. Thank you so much.

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