Morbid - Extremely Wicked, Shockingly Evil and Vile Review

Episode Date: May 11, 2019

It’s time, friends. It’s time to chat about Netflix’s Extremely Wicked, Shocking Evil and Vile. What did the Ted Bundy flick get right, what did it get wrong and would we recommend it? Contains spoilers. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. And I'm Ash. And this is morbid. Yes. Not a mini-mor? A whole-ass moribus is what it's about to be. Yeah. It's about to be a whole ass morbid.

It is. It's, I'm, yeah, you're right. It's going to be a whole ass morbid. Because we have a lot to say. So much to say about this long-ass movie title. Today we are going to do what we promised you guys we would do. we are going to talk about extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile. Which I have nicknamed, ew.

Ew. So we're going to talk about it, ew. And we're basically going to just go into what we liked about it, what we didn't like about it, would we recommend it? Talk about what they got right, what they got wrong. And then at the end of the episode, we're going to give you our final thoughts about it. We're not going to tell you right away. Together, we share a thought.

We do, we do. We pretty much stand the same thing. Two brains created, I almost just said combusted. Two brains combusted. Two brains created one thought. It's true. Y'all, it's been a long week. But you know what?

There's a lot to cover in this. So much. This, you know, Ted Bundy is my case. You like Ted Bundy? I do. I didn't know that. I do. Just kidding.

Don't like him as a human. Yeah, sorry. But I like the case. And I know this case inside and out. So let me just preface this by saying, I went into this movie fully open-minded. Like I went in there and I was like, I hope this is great.

I mean, was it? Not really. No. But it wasn't terrible. It would have been great if it was not based on a true story. That's when it would have been a great movie. A lot of moments. in this movie the way they did it would have been great in some slasher flick or horror movie

or like thriller where they belonged yeah and honestly there was parts where i was like wow that gave me chills but like don't want it in this movie i didn't get chills like want it in another movie once i got it one part and i'll say when when that comes up and i know what you're talking about but i didn't get it i got it we'll get there when we get there so um i think we all know that the movie is based on ted bundy's longtime girlfriend during the murders, Liz. She wrote the book The Phantom Prince, My Life with Ted Bundy,

under the pen name Liz Kendall. The book is out of print. You can go on Amazon and buy it for $2,000. Shut the fuck up. Are you kidding me? I don't think anybody's going to. It's $2,000? Yeah, it gets out of print.

What does that mean? It went out of print in like 89. What does that mean? I mean... They're not printing it anymore. Good job. I was self-explanatory. I was like, I don't really know.

One has it laying around. Well, people do, I'm sure. But, like, you can't take people's copies. But you found it on Amazon for $2,000. I found it on Amazon for $2,000. And I was like, um, am I that dedicated to the podcast? I'm sorry, guys, no. I want to know who in their right mind and buy that book for two.

I don't think anybody. Can we just have a separate podcast about that? Well, the good news is somebody uploaded the PDF. $2,000. Somebody uploaded the PDF. So I got the PDF. You're trying to get me past this and it's not going to work. Because we're going to move past this.

But I got the PDF. I got the PDF in Reddit in like one morning. Because she's psychotic. Because it's fascinating in a very like odd way. And it's pretty short. Is it? Yeah. Is it actually or is it you?

No, it's pretty short. It's like a quick read. When you know the case, you know what's coming. So it's like you can kind of like, speed read through it, you're just getting her point of view. Yeah, I mean, you can probably skip over some stuff. Yeah, but it's really interesting to see her side of things. I mean, it's a good look into someone who was as close to Ted Bundy as probably most anybody has been in his own life.

Like, it's really odd to, because they were together for like over five years, five, six years. It's a long ass time. I should, together for like on and off. They had a very, I know you didn't get that from the movie. movie, but they had a very tumultuous relationship. You mean she wasn't blindsided? No. Weird, because it seemed like she was.

It definitely did. Now, what's weird to me in the book that they didn't show in the movie, and I, and it's like they didn't, they showed it in the movie, but I didn't get it from the movie. I got it more from the book when I read it. What is it? How weird it was to hear her saying things about like giving him a hug after he was convicted in January 1975 of the aggravated

kidnapping when he tried to kidnap and murder Carol Durantch, which we'll get into that too. Casual. She says in the book Quote, Ted's attorney asked that Ted be allowed some time with his family. We entered the judge's chamber where Ted was frisked and his hands were cuffed behind his back. I put my arms

around him and told him I was sorry. He was drenched in sweat and stiff with tension. I kissed him on the cheek and whispered, I love you. I hated myself for what I had done to him. Whoa, why didn't they put that as a scene? Yeah, and you know why they didn't do it first as a scene? Because in the book, at that point, she had already called the police on him.

And said, I think my boyfriend might be the guy. In the movie, she didn't do that. I know, that was like a weird part, too. I feel like the whole thing was like leading up to her admitting that she was the one that did it. Yeah. Or that called in, like, his name. But I was like, why was that, like, the main point? Yeah, instead of showing this slow buildup of her...

Realizing it. I mean, her whole memoir is this, like, spiral that she's going through of being like, things are not adding up. I'm finding weird things. Like, yeah. Calling the police, talking to detectives. I mean, she was talking to friends. She talked to her best friend.

I think they called her Joanna in the movie. Uh-huh. Or Joanne, I can't remember. But she talked to her. about it. Like she told her her fears and her friend was like, you need to call the police. Yeah. That's weird. Right. So it's like they didn't go into any of that. Barely at all. And with a, with a title like extremely wicked, shockingly evil and vile, which like we all know that comes from what the judge said to him at the end.

Someone who didn't know where that quote comes from or a lot about Bundy's case would be like, yeah, where? Right, because, you know. It's so true. It just was not. Like he seemed like the boy next door in the movie He really did I saw very little I didn't want to see you know I didn't need to see like a ton of like The murders or shit or anything like that

But I needed to see a little bit of something Just anything to show me what a monster this guy was Because he wasn't a monster at all in the movie Yeah and it's like I understand that this was from Liz's point of view Like we all understand that I went in there knowing that I know we're not going to get exactly what I know in my head we're going to get a different point of view here because that's what joe barringer really

wanted to do with this but so it was intended to show like how easy it was to believe that he wasn't a monster and how he tricked women even during the trial to like root for him and to dress up like his victims in the i mean which they didn't go into that enough too i feel like they didn't go into that at all really skimmed over that but it backfires and it backfires hard because it doesn't come off like we are liz trusting him the whole whole time, which she didn't, like we said, and we'll get more into that. Instead, it comes off as a way to, like, humanizing and romanticized portrayal of a brutal demon who committed some of the worst atrocities we've seen in a serial killer.

And, oh, he was a necrophile. Yeah, that wasn't even touched upon at all. Never touched upon. Like, it was not a part of the movie at all. Not a part. And I understand, you don't, I mean, again, you don't need to show me he's a necrophile. I don't need to see it. It could have been mentioned and should have.

Yeah. Because Zach Afron was absolutely phenomenal. Yeah, he was really good. With what they gave him, he was phenomenal. And I think if he was given darker shit to work with, he would have knocked that thing so far out of the park. Mm-hmm. Because he had it.

He was doing it already. So if they gave him the darker stuff. He had his mannerisms and stuff like that. Yeah. And he looks so much like him. He really does. And there was a point. where when he grows the beard.

Yeah. And he's practicing jumping off his, but he practiced, when he was jumping off of one of the, like, top bunks in his cell. You're like, hold up. For a flash, I was like, whoa. Is that a quick bit of Ted? Like, it literally looks, and when he's talking to the reporters in the hallway and he's, like, doing that laugh with the beard, I was like, oh, my God.

And when they recreated the scene when he's in that brown turtleneck. Oh, my God. That was like, holy shit. It was insane. Insane. We also never see that. that Ted had utter contempt and hatred for women. Weird.

One of the biggest, you know, facets of Ted Bundy's personality and psyche is that he had a contempt for women. Mm-hmm. And especially women who he deemed to be higher than he was. Right. And it's like, and it came from him being illegitimate, from his mom lying to him, like all this crazy, like, you know, mommy psych issues and all that. good stuff. He was a bitch to his mom and that scene in the cell.

He was. I was like, boy. I was like, dude, she's a little upset. But we never, they never touched upon that. And that's like one of the biggest facets of his personality. Right. Instead of showing that he had this awful contempt for women that he tried to hide all the time, they showed him as this like romanticized fucking, like Nicholas Sparks character. Literally. And it's like, nope, nope. Did Nicholas Sparks direct this movie? Seriously. It's never even suggested. And honestly, it's hard to believe that it's even a part of his psyche while you're watching it.

And it's like in the movie, you can't even picture him losing it on Liz. Well, because he doesn't. Because he never does. And it's like, sure, he gets like wound up and he gets stressed and like Zach Frund did a really good job with that. But it's not really toward Liz. Yeah, it's never really directed at Liz. when in Liz's book she says, quote, I can count on two fingers the times Ted threatened me

or was the least bit violence towards me. Violent towards me. I was like, yet I feel I have lived through a violent time. It's like you have Liz. You have. Another time she and her daughter stopped by his room and saw that he had all this expensive shit

that he had clearly stolen because he was a kleptomaniac. That's another thing they never talked. ever touched on at all. He stole shit all the time. And she always confronted him about it. Throughout the whole book, she's confronting him about it. So when she saw that he had this whole room full of like a new TV, a new stereo, all this stuff, she said that she saw this and was like, he definitely stole all this.

He can't afford it. Right. And she blurted out, quote, you're nothing but a thief. And he responded by grabbing her arm and saying, quote, if you ever tell anyone about this, I'll break your fucking neck. That's a red flag Elizabeth. Like, did you see that in the film? No.

Would you have thought that Zach Afron's character was capable of that in the film? I'm just going to go ahead and say it. Zach Fron's character wasn't capable of that in the film. No. I was rooting for Zach Efron in the film. That's the thing. And again, like we say, we're not asking to see gruesome, awful, violent murders and assaults to get the point across. That's not what we need. But even just in the relationship, like, it could have been depicted that he was sometimes violent

toward her. An abusive, he, I mean, he was dismissive. He was unfaithful multiple times that she caught him. He was very disrespectful to her. He talked down to her. He was constantly telling her, like, she was a child and she needed to grow up. I hate that. I would slap him silly.

He was totally, they had time, like, she describes times where everything was wonderful. And it does seem. I mean, it must have been if she stuck around for that long. And it seems like they did have great times. And it seems like he was. There's always good times. In general, it seems like he was good to her daughter. Yeah.

So it's like that they played out very truthfully. And they could have kept all that stuff in. Totally. Sure. It just needed some additions. Yeah, like show him as this great boyfriend and who is. But then show that he has two sides to him because he does. Exactly.

Exactly. That's who he was as a person. They needed to show some of the darker moments. Right. They needed to. And it would have been so much more impactful if you got like glimpses of those darker moments. Well, because the whole movie, it's like you don't see any of that. So you're like, wait a second.

Like you're, it makes you root for him. Yeah, it does. Like I just, I had a better way of explaining in my head. You forget what the end game is here. And it's not Ted. Like that, I'm sorry that's not Ted. No. That was who he wanted people to see him as.

Right. It wasn't. And they should have shown that. And in order to grasp, like, his actual personality, I just don't understand why they didn't show both sides of him. Yeah, that's what bothers me. And it's like everyone was terrified that this film would like glamorize Bundy. Remember that whole thing that came out?

And I was a staunch arguer against this kind of thing because I believe stories like this need to be told. They do. I am fully into that. But unfortunately, it's like the people behind this film were out to make me look like an asshole. because it 100% glorified Bundy. It turned him into a Nicholas Sparks' character. All right, I have to ask,

what do you think that the title of the movie would have been if Nicholas Spark directed it? Oh, damn. Because I have one, but I want to hear yours first. Oh, shit. Okay, hold. I think Ted in the Fireplace. Mine is just the summer.

my boyfriend became a murderer. Because I feel like that's about the effort that Nicholas Sparks would put into it. 100%. To the point. That time my boyfriend was Ted Bundy. No, that's it. That's my final answer. That time Ted Bundy was my boyfriend.

That's the movie. That's the movie. Thank you and good night. That is it. I think we nailed it. And honestly, I mean, unfortunately, this wasn't a Nick's Nicholas Sparks movie. It is a real fucking case. Guys, it's like if this wasn't...

Guys? If this wasn't real, this would all be hilarious. So we could be like, Nicholas Sparks, they turned this guy into like summer. It's not funny, though. Not funny. We're laughing, but it's not funny. And there were times where I,

who know this case backwards and forwards, thought to myself, now I know Ted Bundy did it. Mm-hmm. But I am 100% convinced that Zach Afron is being railroaded. for these crimes right now. I was, I was rooting for

Zach Ephron. I dead ass was. I literally, like halfway through, I was like, guys, Zach Ephron didn't do it. I was like, we need to get him a good lawyer. That's right, Zach. Fire the lawyer. Like, the police are framing Zach Ephron. They were.

But in the other part of my brain, I was like, but I know dead dead dead. I know, I know Ben Tundi did it. Bed Tundi, I know you did this shit. I know Ben Tundi did it. Bet Tundi did it. And it was like, But it's true because now I'm seeing a lot of people online who don't know this case well

are now being like, guys, I don't know if Ted Bundy did it. Wait, for real though? No, for real. I've seen people on Twitter. Well, they need to Google some facts and not just go off of this movie. But that's the thing. They're portraying this. Like, this is this true case.

And it's like, but you're not giving the real shit. In fact, like one of the things like, yes. I mean, this is obviously my opinion. He was handsome. I disagree. A lot of people do. Thank you. That's fine.

I think Zach Ephron is a hunk. He was charismatic. I agree. I feel like you can't disagree with that. You're stupid if you disagree with that. And he could definitely hold his shit together in front of the camera for the most part. But there were times where he cracked on film in real life, like when they were filming him in the courtroom. That should have been utilized here.

If they were going for subtlety, which they obviously were. I literally think the only one that was depicted in the movie was when he was shaking his finger at the judge. And the judge was like, don't shake your finger at me, young man. It didn't, it wasn't as intense as it was in real life. Yeah, it wasn't as impactful. That scene wasn't. No.

And there's another moment that is like one of the moments that I remember the most out of this whole case. And it's when the guards, it's during that same trial when he's, you know, the guards are leading him out of the courtroom. He's carrying a box of files. He's dressed as a lawyer And, you know, he's Like, you know, sassy self

Walking out of there being like, we'll get him tomorrow, guys. You know, like just being a dick. And when one of the guards grabs his arm just to walk him out, but like kind of just like really grabs his arm. I know exactly what you're going to say. He violently and aggressively tried to rip it back And he gives that guard a look.

Like I'm going to savagely murder you. It still gives me shivers that look. Because it went. from this like, hey, I'm a lawyer, we'll get him tomorrow to like, don't touch me. The two faces of Ted Bundy. And it is the moment for me in real life that I looked at and I still look at and I said, there it is. That's the Bundy that these poor women saw.

Right, exactly. And that's, when you switches. When you see that one clip, it is lit, and I'll try to find it if I can and post it on the Instagram because that's what they needed to show. Mm-hmm. It's like, that's the face and that's the monster that these poor women saw before they were killed. Because I can't think of one time in the movie where he snaps at all.

Or where he just shows like a glimmer. Because that was that moment. It went from the TED he was putting on for the whole time to this quick little moment where he just lost control of it. And then he snapped it back again. It's like that's all you needed to be like, it could have been such an effective tool for this film and they ignored it. And that bummed me out.

And then literally like no time is spent on the victims in this film. Yeah, that was frustrating. And it's actually something that while you were watching it, you were kind of like forgetting about. Can we talk about how pissed I was at the way that they depicted Carol Durant. Yes, please.

Because I was really angry. They made her look like this sniveling, like... I mean, obviously she was scared in real life for what she went through, but they made her look like an idiot in the movie. They did. They just didn't like... they didn't even mention what a badass she was for surviving what she did and getting out of there. Right. Like, not at all. Like, they tell you what happened. But nobody's sitting there. Like, they should have spent a minute to be like, this fucking, like, Wonder Woman over here fought her way out of his clutches.

You know what I mean? Like, they should have. I don't even, I don't even think it said anything about the fact that she did. Yeah, I think, I mean. It just was like she was kidnapped and, like, got away. Yeah, they gave, like, a very generalized overview. It was very glazed overview. It was very glazed over. Now here's both of our biggest issue with the film. It's that Liz is pretty convinced that he's innocent the entire time during this movie. Fun fact, in real life, she was not. Not at all. In the movie, she's barely questioning anything that happens around Ted.

But in real life, and in her memoir, Liz found a shit ton of weird stuff that pointed to him being the killer. She literally found crutches and plaster. Liz literally, she spoke to police several times about these things that she found. She even handed over a book of his canceled checks as evidence to them. Oh my God. Like, why did they not put, if they had, like, I have like a scene in my mind that, like, I created that would have been so good. And I know that I'm not a director.

But like, imagine if she's just like cleaning up the house and then she opens something, opens the closet to like put something away. And like on the top shelf, she sees that. And she's like, what the fuck? And then she just flips through it. And it plays like some weird ass music. Well, the way it happened is even scarier. She had her landlord let her into his house once

where she went rummaging through his stuff because she was convinced she would find something. And she did. And she found these canceled checks and she got so scared that he was going to come in that she said she just grabbed one of the books of canceled checks and left. Oh, my God. But she said she also found a film canister

that was heavily duct taped. And she said she almost took it, but she was scared he would feel. figure out that she was in there. Like she would, and he, she was like, I still don't know what was in that film. Oh my God. Why didn't they put that in the film? Do they find the film canister ever? I don't think so.

Fook. But either way, that scene of her in there, like, scared that he's going to come in. Right. Rummaging through all of his stuff, finding those, like, grabbing them. That would have been a great scene. That would have been amazing. But we didn't see it. Well, because she was so convinced that he was in a song. In the memoir, you're kind of like, like, I was way more couldn't put it down the memoir than I was the movie. The movie I got bored. Oh, the movie toward the end, I literally was like, when is this over?

But the memoir, I was like, oh, shit, what's going to happen next? Like, I was literally like, oh, my God, I know this case, but I don't know what she found. Right. So it was like hearing her point of view and her being like, and then I thought this and I was putting together this. Like that's riveting. It was like a fucking, like, old-timey detective novel. A page Turner. What's happening next?

And she, I mean, she had a super tough time with this for months and months and months and months and months. And she was, she would cooperate with the police, like call them, say something and then she would kind of pull back a little. Because he would charm her back in. Then he would go off and do something. So she would all of a sudden start thinking about it again. And they could have done that. And it would have been so effective to see how he wasn't this perfect boyfriend that was there. the time. Right. She had doubts. She had a lot of doubts. One of the victims recalled being hit with

a crutch and that he was using crutches. Yep. And she said she found crutches in a room in his house and he had not broken his leg. And she was like, why you got crutches? She reached under the seat of his car once when she was, she was getting into it and there was a hatchet under his car seat. Can you imagine you get into your boyfriend's car and there's a damn hatchet? Nope. I'd be like, I am super busy for the rest of ever. Yeah. And when she asked him, she literally goes, What's this for, Ted? Like, literally, which I was like, badass. I would have been like,

I'd be like, don't kill me with this, Ted. He said something like, I use it to help my, I help my landlord or my parents or something like that. Chop wood or something like that. I'd be like, interesting that you've never mentioned not before. Like he came up with a very like normal excuse that you could. Explain away. That was the problem.

It's like throughout the whole book, Liz is sitting there going, all his excuses could make sense sometimes. So she was being like, am I crazy? Am I being this crazy person? Right. Or is he telling the truth? And that would have been so good to have in the movie.

She also found the plaster of Paris in a drawer. Crazy. And when she asked him about it, she was like, hey, why do you have plaster? Like medical grade plaster of Paris? Yeah. He was like, oh, I stole it. He goes, I don't know why, but I stole it from when he was working in like a medical supply place. I'd be like that makes no sense to explain further.

She was like weird and he was like, well, you just never know when you're going to break your leg, right? And they like, she said they both like laughed about it. We're like, ah, ha, ha, ha. And be like, really funny that you're a kleptomaniac. But later she brought that up to a police officer and was like, you said that somebody had a cast? Like, that would make a cast. Girl.

And at one point, she saw him, like caught him stealing a crowbar from her house and he used a crowbar in a couple of them. That's so fucked up. Now, Joe Beringer, the director, said, that this was because he didn't use any of that because he wanted to shock the audience in the end when Liz finally finds out what he did. Yeah, but no one is shocked. Like, we all know what happened.

Exactly. He said he wanted to make the audience, like, reel back and disgust like Liz, because they had been lulled into this sense that he was this decent guy, at least in his relationship with Liz. He said if he had shown Liz finding some weird or fucked up shit

in the beginning half of the film, that we wouldn't be as disgusted in the end? He was like worried. No, we still would have. He said, quote, I want each audience member to have that conflicted feeling. Like, oh my God, I'm rooting for this guy. And then to have the experience by the film's end of being conflicted and disgusted by the idea that they actually liked the guy.

It's the experience of everyone who is gaslit by Ted Bundy. I do kind of, I mean, I guess I can see that he did do. He did do that with the movie. For sure, he did. But the thing is, we know he's disgusting in all. already. So like we know that. We didn't need to be lulled with untruths. Like that would have been great if it was a different movie not about Ted Bundy. Yeah. And he didn't lull us all with facts. Right. That's my problem. He took a little too much artistic liaisers, I feel.

You took some liberties here and you skipped over a lot of things. Right. It's like for convenience. So you lulled us. Don't lull me. You took away all the dark moments that were there that still lulled people. Right. You called, I'm going to use the word lulled a lot and I keep tripping over it, but. Lo, la, lo, lolled us with that. You called a, cold a, call the loblah so far. Because he tricked people with that. Right.

So it's like, you could have just gone with the facts. I see what he wanted to do. I just don't agree with the fact that he did it. No. It's like, we would have been disgusted regardless. And the movie is called shockingly evil, vile, wicked gross, ew. It's like, why didn't you? Why didn't you just make it shockingly, wicked, gross, ew, vile the whole time?

Exactly. Ew. And while I hated the idea of negating all the clues that was found, one thing I did like was I liked that dog barking at him. I loved that. I loved it. I loved it. Like growling at him?

Loved it. And Berringer said that was his way of saying he was a bad guy without having Liz find a severed head or something. Right, right, right. And I love that. But I think they could have also played. true to the real events with that too, and that still would have been as effective. Yes.

Which, because I would have been like, keep that in there for sure. Mm-hmm. Because you want to be like, oh, even animals, no, he's a fucking monster. Right. But you also need like a few little, even if he didn't use all of the things. Like, I'm not saying he had to use every single thing that she found. That would be overkill. Yeah. But just like two or three.

Yeah. Two or three events that happened. Exactly. Give me a little montage of her finding things and that's fine. Like other than, like literally, I feel like he took the fact that they meant. and the fact that she found out. And then everything else in between, I was like, it was not hunky dory. No. Why are you acting like it was?

And they made it seem like it was this perfect relationship. Right. Like, ideal. Yeah. And that it's just, shit, Liz. When she was crying in the shower, I was like, I'm crying in the shower. Yeah. Like, I get it right now.

Like, damn. I'm with you. Like, I'm crying for you. Yeah. They just, I wanted them to explore the doubts that Liz was living with. Right. Because this, again, was supposed to be a. about her. They keep claiming this was about her, but it wasn't.

No. And it's like if it was about her, then they would have spent time on the hell that she was going through in her own inner sanctum there. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Because she was dealing with this massive pile of evidence that were piling up around her and it wasn't even touched. It just, you know. So she just looks totally blind to the entire thing when she wasn't. Right. She was smart. I mean, she was being naive. in a way when it comes to him

because she was blinded by love for him which is true. That happens to a lot of people. I mean, we can all attest to that. But she wasn't dumb. She was putting these things together and I feel like it just made her seem a little dumb. Too naive.

I'm just saying. A little dumb. Another thing that I, there was, again, because there were things I really liked about the movie. Yeah, no, there was some cool things. Overall, though. Yeah. Like when Ted calls Lizzie or officer,

office at one point. You can see that photo of Liz and Ted that's kind of infamous at this point. And when they zoom in on it, they recreated. It was that picture of the two of them sitting by the fire that everybody has seen of Liz and Ted. And they recreated it with Zach Affron and Lily Collins. It was great. It looked so perfect. Yeah, it was spot on. And it was like sitting on her desk. And when I saw it, I was like, oh, I know that photo. Like, that's the photo everybody knows. So I liked that. And it was like sitting on her desk. And when I saw it, I was like, oh, I know that photo. Like, that's the photo everybody knows. So I liked that.

And like I said, when he grew the beard, he looked so much like Bundy that, like, it was uncanny. It, like, shocked me. I didn't know what to say. The part when Bundy jumped, when he escaped by jumping out of the window of the library, because that was true. That was all true. Yeah.

And they did that perfectly. They did both escapes great. I mean, they even dressed him perfectly for that. It's like that. The, um, the, um, the, what's it called? Cardigan was perfect. It was. Like, I was like, did you borrow that from the actual Ted Bundy? Is this film footage from it?

And I was dying because they made the deputy who like allowed that to happen look like such a dingus. And he had to open. Because honestly, that dude was a fucking dingus. Like, he deserved that kind of portrayal. Because it's still to this day, I'm like, how did you let that happen? Yeah, I don't know. Well, also, why was there only like one person watching him? Well, it's like, because you would think that this person could watch him.

Yeah. And it's like, what, it's very interesting how much Ted Bundy was able to get away with. He was very lucky. Because he charmed his, and it wasn't, no, it wasn't luck. Yeah, he was charming. He charmed. And he, he was, he was maniacal. And he, he was good at being bad.

I'm bad to the bone. Unfortunately. So that first escape out of the law library, I thought was perfectly done. I liked that. Loved it. The second escape, when he escapes out of prison. Mm-hmm. that bothered me because with this when he goes through the tunnel and the ceiling all of it was

perfect I thought it was great except that they didn't address the huge weight loss that was the hugest part of that I thought that when I was watching it and I got really aggravated he lost what like 35 pounds yeah something like yeah something like crazy because he had to fit through that hole that he made and what the way he did it was he went on a hunger strike so and it's like why didn't you have him go on? Like, why didn't you show him go on the hunger strike? In fact, they showed him eating. Because that was a, well, and that was like a big part of his escape.

Yeah. Like, it, like, it wasn't just something that, like, you could get. I feel like it just wasn't something you could get away with not putting in the film. Exactly. Like, because, like, his two escapes are really a big part of his, I don't want to, not legacy, but. His, like, infamy. Yeah, his infamy. And then, yeah, and, like, the losing, like, 35 pounds or whatever it was that he, it was a lot of weight.

in a short amount of time too. Yeah. And when they caught him again, he looked so gaunt and like sickly. But then they show Zach Efron all buff and like... Right. I was like, okay. And that's nitpicking. And I mean, I do get it because obviously Zach Efron couldn't like do that. Well, I don't have. Yeah, they do.

But I think they only filmed this in like, I think it was like 20 days or something crazy. Really? Yeah, they filmed it in a short period of time. Wow. So I guess he... couldn't just drop all that weight. Right. And so in the part where they get his dental impressions. Did that aggravate you?

Slightly. Okay. But again, and I will fully admit, I might be nitpicking little things that other people aren't going to be annoyed fat. But it's like, this just annoyed me because I was like, I don't know. Because some of these things that I'm nitpicking, I'm like, they just could have been like tweaked and it would have been fine. It's not a big deal.

So they did ambush Ted to get his bite impressions. Oh, they did in real life? But it's because when they first requested them, he said no. So they requested them from him and he was like, nah. So then they got a search warrant and they came by surprise to get them because they were worried that he was going to grind his teeth down before they could get the... Which he totally would have done. Yeah. So that scene was pretty accurate except the way that Zach reacted to it.

because Zach played it like, what, what is, what are you doing? Yeah. What are they doing? What is happening right now? Like, he had like no idea that this was even on the table that they needed. And it's like, but Ted totally knew because he refused it already. And he knew that they had gotten a search warrant. He just didn't know when they were going to come.

So I think I was like, I'm sure he was super pissed when they ambushed him for it. But like, he wasn't shocked. Yeah. It was the wrong reaction. It was just the wrong reaction. And again, that's a nitpick. I will give that, like, hello, my name is Elaine, I'm nitpicking. No, I could see where that would aggravate you.

It's so slight. It's a small thing, but it could have. And I feel like it's really slight, but it also kind of made it seem like he was even more innocent to somebody who doesn't know this thing. Because it made him seem like, what? Why would you need my bipressions? What? But in reality, he knew he bit one of the women. Right.

So he wasn't shocked that they needed his bite impression. He was like, oh shit, I can't give them this. But in the movie, it looks like he didn't know that that was evidence because he didn't do it. So why would he need that? Yep. And that's what bothered me. That's a really good point. That's why it bothered me.

And of course, like the film spent a ton of time on him representing himself in court, which they did a really good job with, I thought. I have to say they did a really great, this is just me being an idiot. But they did a really great job with all his outfits. No, they did a really great job with the outfits. No, they did a really great job with the outfits. No, the wardrobe was spot. Like that costume designer deserves an award.

They really did. Like that, it was spot on. Perfect. Spot on. Like his stupid bow ties and shit. And even like the brown fucking sweater. Yeah. Like I was like that.

That's the sweater. That's it. The cardigan. Everything. I was like, yes. That blew my mind. And they did a really good job with like having him be the way he was. Like Zach Afron did an amazing job.

And especially with like all the girls in the courtroom. Yeah. And like playing to them and playing to the audience. And like the weird thing that the. thing that the him and the judge had. Yeah, which was so real. Yeah. In real life, they had that, which is really concerning. Yeah. But he was like, you're a

really bright man. Yeah. And like, I was like, uh, which is, and it's like, if you watched that and didn't know the case, you'd be like, he didn't say that. Well, he did. I kind of question it, and I had to look at, um, like an actual video from it. And I was like, he actually said all that. He told him he would have been a great lawyer. Yeah. And he said he would have loved to. But then he was like, you're awake. of humanity. And then he's like, you're gross, ew.

And shockingly wickedly, wickedly you. And again, they did an amazing time with that. But they didn't portray, like, they kind of put him as the picture perfect together guy who could charm the entire time. But for a lot of it, like, sure, he was great and together and he really did act like a lawyer. Yeah. But there was also insane moments of him acting totally bananas in court.

But they didn't, none of that was shown. Like he turned it into a circus at times. Right. And they didn't really show that. No. Like there were times when you were like, you're bonkers. The whole time they were in court in the movie, I was kind of bored, to be honest. Yeah, because it was just him like vamping to everybody.

Yeah. Which he did. Again, that was accurate. But there was also like a hearts where he really freaked out. Yeah. Just show him being a little bananas sometimes where you're like, okay, that's not charming. You're just weird now. Because there were times where you were like, uh, huh?

Real it back in. Yeah. Like him looking, that picture of him looking at the bite impressions is one of the best pictures ever. So crazy. Because he's like examining it. So creepy. Now, at the end of the movie, which I know Ash has really intense feelings. I have super intense feelings about the ending. By the time it was over, like if I hadn't have been pissed like the whole entire movie, by the time I got to the end, I was like, nope, I'm done. Like I'm finished here. I am done. And of course we're talking about the whole.

what happened to her head. First of all, she didn't visit him when he was on death row. And certainly not 10 years later. I was like, that didn't happen. Like, don't make it seem that like it happened like that. When he was about to die like a week or so before. Yeah, no. That didn't happen. And she was like, they're going to fry you, Ted.

Yeah, and it's like, no. She knew at that point what he had done. She was happily married. I personally, when she asked what happened to her head and he like takes the beat and she says like free me you need to release me yeah and he breathes on the glass and like slowly wrote hacksaw I was like that's awesome I loved the cinematic take that they took on that for sure I hated it it was impactful when he wrote it on the glass it really was because you were like oh like you're just like holy shit I didn't even feel like that though well I was like this didn't

happen well that's the but in reality is that didn't happen like I was pissed that they made that a thing. And again, I liked it. I'm okay with some artistic liberties being taken. I think I would have been if the whole thing, like, wasn't how it was. That's the thing. If so many hadn't been taken and things skipped over, I think I would have enjoyed that more. And I also saw that and I was like, oh, man, this would have been a great scene in some thriller, horror movie, slasher flick. When you say that, I agree, but I definitely did not feel like that. For me, it was literally the cherry on top of like, wow, I fucking hated this. I'm angry. Yeah. See, when I looked at it, I was like, this is a great scene. I will hand this to this director.

I loved it. It gave me chills, but it would have been so much better in a film that wasn't based in reality. Right. Like, if you put it in some, like, fictional thriller, I would have been like, holy shit, that was a great, like, that was a great scene. Yeah. Because it was so quiet. It was very, like, silence of the lamsy. Yeah. And that's, and again, that would have been perfect place. Right. It would have been good in a movie like that. But it's like, eh.

And Ted was said, this is the thing. It's like they used it that way instead of the way it actually happened, where he didn't tell Liz about the head. He told investigators about the head. Right. He told one of the investigators that he disposed of one of the victim's heads in Liz's fireplace. Jesus Christ. He claimed he burned it.

So he said, quote, Quote, of all the things I did to Liz, this is probably the one she is least likely to forgive me for. Poor Liz. Shit. That's what he told the detective. That would have been a fucking awesome ending if that's how they ended it. If he just sat there and was like, poor Liz. If they ended the movie and, oh my, like, I'm even a, I'm pissed right now.

Right. That would have been so much better. Because then it also would have ended on Liz. About Liz. Right. It would have been like, poor Liz. Like wrap up the movie, poor Liz. And then it just leaves, because that would have not only left you on Liz,

but it also would have left you with, Ted Bundy's a fucking monster. Like, that would have been like the shebang, like right there. Yep. And, yeah, that's the, and so basically my, like, biggest thing with this is it just didn't focus enough on his psyche. Right. Not at all.

It stayed more with the... It didn't show him as, like, a two-faced, like, two multiple personalityed guy. Exactly. It just focused on making him look innocent and railroaded, which I know the director is saying that was kind of his intent to kind of shock you at the end. He did a great job with his intent. He did. Throughout the film, I was wavering between being like really frustrated and really impressed by the fact that I could not reconcile this person with a vicious killer. Right.

Like there were times where I was like, this is annoying me because we're not showing him how he is. But then there were times where I was like, wow, Zach Afron's doing a great job. at making me read for him. Yeah, I thought the actors were great. So, because again, exactly, Zach was great. Lily was great. I mean, the girl who played Caroline Boone was great. The judge, John Malkovich playing the judge was great. Her friend Joanne there was great. I mean, I really didn't see a bad actor. Oh my God, not because of the acting, but I fucking hated Carolyn Boone in that movie.

I was like, you're so annoying and pathetic. That's her in real life, though. Yeah, no, I agree. And she was great. And she looked just like. Oh my God. It was like scary. It really was.

I was like, holy shit. But in the whole movie, at no point are you like, oh yeah, he's a necrophile. I forgot about that. Yeah, they never once mentioned that. And you just can't even like reconcile that with the character that they can be. No, I would have been like, that's not true. Zach Efron does not do that. Which, like I'm saying I'm annoyed by it, but I will also give it.

It's like the do here that like, yeah, they didn't. Because I mean, nobody walking past, you know, Zachron. Kephrone. Nobody walking past Ted Bunny on the street would be like, that guy's probably a necrophile. Yeah, I don't think that very often when I walk past people on the street. So I can't even, I can't get too mad at that part because I'm like, all right, you did do your job. I didn't ever remember that. You named the fucking movie, shockingly evil, wicked, vile, nasty, oh gross. And you didn't once mention that he was a necrophile. Exactly. That could have helped along with your title. I just think it was a missed opportunity. Totally. Just to put that, put it at the end.

to really make the audience go like, holy shit. And he did that the whole time. And then I saw somebody comments on our Instagram, and I'm sorry, I didn't write down exactly who it was, but you'll know who you are. They wrote down that they just thought of the fact that the whole time he was lived with Liz,

he was also having sex with dead corpses, and that Liz has to know that now. And I was like, oh my God. I have never thought of that before. Isn't that bonkers? Whoever said that, you blew my mind. I have been following and researching this case for, like, decades. And I never once put those two things together that Liz now knows that throughout their relationship.

Like, Ash is just, like, mouth open blinking, right? I can't. Isn't that crazy? this is why I love our listeners, man. I need to take a shower now. I gotta go. This is why I love our listeners because you guys bring me

into these head spaces that are like, I didn't even think of it that way before. I would never feel clean again. Never. Never. I would burn my body off. Never. Never think of it again. It's, yeah. And that's going to stick with you now, everybody.

I'm ruined. Thank you. Thank you person who said that. I'm ruined. Like, I'm, oh, ruined. It gives me the heaps. I'm ruined. about it. Wow. Can we talk about the fact that they not once mentioned Ann Rule? I know it's not

a biggie, but I'm like a little pissed about it. No, I am too. It is kind of a biggie. Like they should have put that, even just give me like a little scene. Just a little, just a little scene of him working at like the hotline and like show her or something like that. That was a big part. And it also had been like, wow, he worked at a hotline. Like, what a great hum. Yeah. Like, well, what a great hum. I don't know. I was just pissed that they didn't mention him. Yeah. Because I mean, Liz only really mentions her in passing in her memoir. So I guess they were going straight off of that. Well, they weren't, though.

Exactly. But it's like you took artistic liberties elsewhere, and you might as well put Anne Rule in there. She would have been a great character, I feel. Everybody loves Stranger beside me. Everybody loves Anne Rule. Bring Ann Rule in there. And Rule is that bitch.

She is that bitch. Dabish. And Daubish. Put that on a shirt. Anne Rule is daubish. That would be a great show. I'd wear it. We'll come up with a lot of shirt ideas.

We've got to make these. Murder apparel. Hey, you listen? I did also. love after that's that faithful scene the hacksaw scene when Liz walks into the hallway and just kind of collapses at the end I think I was so checked out at that point that I just was like maybe scrolling through Instagram well and this is also and she collapses in the after talking to tiz after talking after talking after talking uh after talking to ted and hearing that you know

he sawed off a girl's head with a hacksaw she walks she walks she walks she walks into the hallway and she just kind of like collapses and then they do this like quick little like montage where she's just like flashing through all the moments between them and she was flashing through like times where he was around her daughter yeah and they showed that one part where which by the way the beginning of the movie where she like brings him home just meeting him to where her two year old daughter is sleeping that actually happened which I was like whoaless yikesy I mean, okay. Live your best life, girl.

But I was like, wow, that was a lot. Great choice. And when she wakes up in the morning and the crib is empty. My stomach dropped. And they show like, and it's like, I even knew what happened. Right, I knew she was okay. And I was still like, oh, God. Yeah.

Like, it made me sick. And she was going through all the times, like, him dancing with her daughter and just, like, taking care of her daughter. Oh, yeah. And it was probably totally like the mom in me, but I was like, I was, it made me like sick to my stomach. Yeah, I could definitely see that. I was like physically sick. Because if I ever had to think about that with my own children,

no, I would be a goddamn mess. Literally. So watching that, I was like, wow, that was really impactful. The way they did that, because you were just like, oh, because then you think about Liz, that does, I will give it to them that that is a good way to end it too, because you did sit there and immediately go, holy shit, Liz has all of these in her brain.

Forever. Like burned into her. Yeah, and she's probably constantly just thinking about that. When she probably has like constant flashbacks even still. Constantly second-guessing herself. And so I did like that. So I think... Rotten tomatoes the score. End results, 47%.

Wow, that's pretty good. I would, yeah, you know what? I'll give it maybe 30. 32. 32%. I like 32 better. Oh, I was going to. going to give it a little more. I was going to say, I was going to give it like a, well, you liked the hacksaw part. I didn't. I'm going to give it like a 52%. Oh. You know what? What's the average of, somebody write in and tell me what the average of 42, 47 and 32 is, and I'm going to give it that

percentage, okay? Well, I'm giving it the 52 because the acting was amazing. The casting was amazing. Uh, the wardrobe was amazing. They did get a lot of stuff right. And, and, And when they focused on the real stuff, they were really good. And some of the artistic license I was okay with, like the dog growling at him. I think that's the only one I was okay with. And I was, I can't even say I'm okay with the hacksaw thing. I'm not. I liked it.

I wasn't okay with it. I'm so against it. Mainly because it's just like he didn't admit that to Liz. Vote no one hot. But I want to see what everybody else thinks of that. I'm conflicted on the hacksaw thing. But, you know, I have a lot of nitpicky things, and I'll admit that. And then really the only thing that I'm, like, really down, down on were, you know, inaccuracies and things left out.

And the general way that they portrayed him in the film, I guess, which is kind of a big deal. But I think Zach kind of made up for it with his acting skills. I think the acting was great. I just think the whole screenplay, it just sucked. Yeah. So in the end, not my favorite. 10 out of 10 would not watch it again. Yeah, not my favorite. I would not recommend it to people.

I wouldn't either. Especially, and I think that's really telling. If anybody asked me what to watch for a Ted Bundy case, I would definitely not recommend this as true crime, like, research or true crime. It's just so inaccurate. It's just, it's not an accurate representation of it. So I would never recommend it to somebody who wanted to find out about the case. I'm really mad that we didn't direct this.

I think we should direct our own Ted Bundy movie. Honestly. I think we would kill it. No pun intended. Next project, 2020. Done. You like this podcast, tune into our movie. Thank you and good night.

About Ted Bundy where we will do it better. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode of us railroading this. Yeah, we've enjoyed watching. We wanted to let everybody catch up and watch it before we did this so that everybody could kind of be along with us. But it's been interesting to read everybody else's takes on this. And a lot of people, I mean, because again, We're not saying it's like 100% the worst movie.

No, and I'm super open to hearing other people's opinions. Because like even you and I had like a couple different opinions. We did. Yeah. I think it's cool that you enjoyed the last part. Yeah. And I see what like I see your side. Exactly.

And I see why you didn't like it. Right. Because I'm so conflicted on it that I can totally see both of those sides. So I think this has been an interesting ride. Yeah. And just a quick note. Before we'd thank our patroness is for the episode, we have been so in love with the Facebook group.

So I just wanted to quickly, because everybody's amazing on it. Like I'm obsessed with everybody, and we keep popping in there just a look, and it's making us so happy. Sometimes if I'm having a bad day, I'm just going to look at all the things. Literally. Like, if I'm having, like, if I'm in a bad mood, I'm like, I'm going to go in there because it makes me happy. It's a safe space. It is a safe space.

And I just want to shout out Jen Ann really quick. I just like, I popped in there and I was like, wow, you're like taking charge and I appreciate that. And she wrote the most amazing appreciation post where she just said that she appreciated the content that like how much content we were giving and everything. And then all of this, and all of you just like wrote these wonderfully amazing comments and response. It really, yeah. And can we just tell you that you will never know how much we needed that? We need, it made that post that Jen Ann created and then every, like, all our supporters commented on, it, like, negated every bad review I've ever read. It really did. Because the more people who start listening, the more negative reviews pop in that are not constructive feedback. They're all just like, they're annoying, they're annoying, they're annoying, they're annoying. They're all just like, they're dumb, their bitches.

And I'm not a dumb annoying. And after a while, it can get a little tough to hear that you're just suck at everything you do and you're annoying and people just hate your voice and that you exist. So like I've stopped looking at iTunes reviews because that is the place that's the scariest. And then something like that happens and it's like, huh, that's why we're doing it. You know what I mean? Like it just may be like, you know what? It really is. So Jen Ann and everybody in the Facebook group, we just want to thank you because you are our safe space. I love you.

I love you all. Exactly. And all the people on Instagram too. And even Twitter has been a happy place for us. which I'm scared to say because I feel like that might change. I know. But all the people who just like try to give us little like nudges and be like, I love your banter or don't change for these assholes, we read everything and we seriously appreciate it.

So we just want to let you guys know that because you're pretty awesome. You love you. We're very lucky. I love you so much. And so I think that's where you're looking at iTunes. The first one I pulled up said, disappointed. Yeah, I was going to say, don't go. into that black hole.

But I think it's time now that we've thanked everybody that we thank our paternices. All right. I'm going to thank as many as I can possibly say. Let's do it. Okay. So first Patreon this week is Joshua Morgan. Joshua Morgan. Thank you so much.

You have the last name of Dexter Morgan and I love that show. Great. Thank you, Joshua. Next is Marie France. Marie France. Look at you with your pants. I feel like you're Marie Claire 2.0. There you go.

I love you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Amanda K. Hoffner. Amanda K. Hoffner. Get out of here because you were just so amazing. You're the best. Thank you.

Our next Patreon is Riannon Mystique. Oh my God. I'm going to name every person I know that from now on. From this day forward, everyone I know is Rianna. mystique. Riannon also is such a pretty name. Riananin. I'm just kidding. I do that every time. I love that name. I love it. Every time I hear it, I'm like, ah, love that name. I love you, and I love Stevie, and I love all the patrons. Thank you so much, Riannon. Thank you. Uh, thank you to Barbara Gonzalez.

Barbara Gonzalez. We love you, Babs. That makes me think of Stranger Things, and I don't even watch that. Yeah, Barbara. She was one of the best parts of it, so yeah, I know you're dead. You're great. This Barbara is a lot. She's alive. She's a great bar. She's alive and she's supporting. She is well. Thank you, Barbara.

Next is Michaela Watson. Michaela Watson. You are the Watson to my homes. Yes. And I love you. I was just going to say, Michaela, what, son? That's all I was going to say. I like that one.

Thank you, Michaela. Next is Kate Genicki. Kate Genicki. That's just a cool name. Yeah. I don't even know what the favorite. You're fucking cool, Kate. Kate, thank you. Thank you, Kate. Next is Laura Dion. Laura Dion. Or Dione. I think it's Laura D. Laura D. Laura D. You to best.

Laura D. I give you an A. I was just going to say that. Oh, but I said it fast. A plus for you, Laura. Yes, girl. Thank you. Thank you. And then we have Wendy Mueller or Mueller. Wendy Mueller or Mueller. I'm going to say Mueller because it looks like Mullen. It does, and that's a cool name. I think that's one of our family names. It is one of our family names. That's cool. We got some mallers in there. Thank you, Wendy. Good job, Wendy. Next is Zanette. Thank you, Zanet. Thanks for bringing your cool name to us. I just want to say that over and over again. Thank you. Thank you, Zinette. Thank you. And then we have Shannon. Um, Madonna. Thank you, Shannon. Shannon. Madonna, aren't you Vogan right now?

Shannon, you are smart. Smart, sassy, sustainable. Very sustainable. Yeah. Studious. Successful. What else can I say about you, Shan? Good job, Shannon.

Thank you. Thank you so much, Shannon. Oh, and then we have Jess O'Kelly. Ooh, Jess O'Kelly. Jess O'Kelly. Oh, Kelly. Are you Irish? I bet you are.

I bet all my dollars. There's not many of them, but I bet them. But thank you, Jess. Then we have Heather Whitney. Heather Whitney. You are as great as Brittany. Oh, that's a good compliment. Oops, I did it again.

Oops, Heather. Oops, Heather, you did it. And then... Thank you, Victoria Boresford. Victoria Boresford. I like the name Victoria a lot. I was literally just going to say Victoria is such like a strong, like...

Yeah, just bad bitch name. Yeah, bad bitch. It really is. I love it. So thank you, Victoria. Thank you. Then we have Raven Men's House. Oh, Raven Men's House.

That's a cool name. That is a really cool name. You belong. 100%. Yeah. Hey, Raven. Hey, Raven. I also.

Funny story. I have Ravens who live outside my house, and I named them Ted and Eileen. How fitting. Yeah. Thank you. Look at that. You brought it full circle. Next is Catherine O'Donnell.

Catherine O'Donnell, another O. Are you Irish? Bet you are. All the O's are Irish. You're Irish or you married into an Irish family. True. She also spells it RYN and I like that way a lot. Oh, I like that, yeah.

And then we have Joan Cattaldo. Joan Cotaldo. I had a crush on somebody with the last name Cotaldo at one point in my life. Did you? I did. Look at that. She has a crush on you too. I have a crush on you, Joan.

Love you, Joan. Thanks, Joan. Thanks, Joan. All right, guys. Last one for this week. Thank you so much for listening if you've listened this far. Sarah Hafer, we wanted to end on you because you're awesome. It's true.

I love you. I love you. You are safer. I love you. Than anything we've ever seen. Sarah Hafer is safer and she likes vanilla wafer. She does. I know it.

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