Morbid - Following Up The Loretta Jones Case With Heidi Jones-Asay

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

We got the chance to sit down and chat with Heidi Jones-Asay, who helped solve her mother’s 46 year old murder. Heidi was just 4 years old when her mother was brutally murdered in their own home. From that night forward Heidi tried over and over again to tell the police who was responsible but there just wasn’t enough evidence. We covered Loretta Jones Murder in episode 335 if you would like to listen to that first to hear the outcome. Getting to chat with Heidi was an absolute delight, and who better to weigh in on this subject than someone who lived it themselves. Thank you Heidi :)If you are or anybody you know is suffering from domestic abuse, help IS available. Please call the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-7233. If you are looking for more information on Domestic Violence and legal action that can be taken, please visit the Battered Woman Justice Center at https://www.bwjp.org to learn more. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena. And this is morbid. Woo! Yippin. And a few other people. That's me. That's both of us.

Wow. You're a few. We're here. And combined, we make Taysen or Myler. Oh, I like Myler. Today we have Myler on a podcast. Yeah, today we have one special hybrid guest named to Myel. Oh, good.

Just. It's our person. It's our person. There's people out there, dude. Are there people coming to get you? They're actually going to take us away and steal us. Oh, no. Oh, no.

If someone just breaks in that door and, yeah, if someone just breaks on that door and we just stop talking, that's why. Oh, okay, cool. We got kids. We could cover a true crime, like, live. Whoa. Perfect. It's like one of those mystery doors.

Yes. except you know the culprits because they don't have masks and you're right there you've got a camera speaking of masks do you know what do you know ski masks right with the holes in the mouth and everything I found out what the actual technical name of those are today

what are they? They're called balaclavas I like that really yeah Arctic monkeys has a song about it and I googled what it was and I love Arctic monkeys Oh Arctic monkeys are the shit You know I also love Arctic monkeys but I was a little disappointed by the new album.

That might be, like, controversial. But, I don't know. I just, like, I mean, not that I don't like, oh, is it David Bowie that they reminded me? Love me some David Bowie. It's not that I don't like David Bowie. It's just that I was expecting Arctic bunkeys and then I got David Bowie.

So it's like taking, like, a, what you think is, like, a drink of, like, water and then actually getting, like, I don't know. Oh, or vodka. I've never had vodka before. Either way. Yeah, sure. It would be different.

It was very cute. Remember when I was like five and that happened? Yeah. That happened to me at Christmas when I was like five years old. Maybe I just had like a suppressed memory come to life. And that's why I gave that comparison. She took a chug of what she thought was water in the face this girl made. I can't even describe it.

It was amazing. Maybe that's why I'm an alcohol now. I'm just kidding. Totally kidding. It was a slow spiral. Five to now. From 5.22, you know. Things get real.

We tried. We tried. Okay. So, like... So joking. We're not putting that in. She's like, well, I'll end that up. We're actually the right, wrong turn.

Oh, yeah. We should probably let you know. Oh, yeah. So this is not... Sure, we're not just some random guys. We do not just have a hybrid beast on the other end named Miler. This is the right wrong turn. podcast who is joining us tonight and we're so excited we're doing a calab

guys we're excited too it's like it's like a lab but co we're sharing a lab right now way to split up the words and just put them back together in a different way to much I'm really good at it this is our first collab guys bear with us I love that so much we're figuring out but anyway I'm Mason from the right wrong turn And I'm Tyler. Yes. That's me. I don't know why I raised my hand.

I don't know. I wanted to point that out that he raised his hand when he said that. That's the thought that counts. That one right there. It's a thought. Okay, so question. Back to our vodka talk. What does vodka taste like?

Because I have no idea what it tastes like in comparison. Crush dreams. Crush dreams. Crush dreams. Wow. I don't know if you've ever drank gasoline, but that's pretty much what it feels like. Oh, battery acid mixed with gasoline. For a second, you're like, oh, okay, not, ugh.

That's what it's. It's like what gasoline smells like. Yeah? Oh, really? Yeah. I like the smell of gasoline. I love the smell of gasoline. I love the smell.

Start chugging vodka. I'm like, I don't know. Vodka tastes like high school. and vodka really does taste like your high school but you know what my high school tastes like fucking Malibu rum is what my high school tastes like it does I'm not going to get many opportunities to take water breaks am I

you do a lot of spit takes oh I'm trying so hard not to because my computer is right in front of it Actually, my computer is like 400 years old, and I'm just looking for a reason to get rid of it. Let's put it next week. We have a lot going on this week with the podcast. Let's spit on it next week. Let's spit on it this week.

Yeah, I won't this week. What kind of computer do you have? I have, like, a super old MacBook. The first one ever invented, I think. Like, the chunky one. Like, the really chunky one. Like, it's like as thick as the encyclopedia, I think, about, yeah. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, it's doing its thing, though. That's wild. It's like 10 years old. It's doing its thing. Wow. I'm looking at it right now. I'm like, girl, you're okay. You're going to be fine.

I appreciate your world. I'm a child. I appreciate it. It's slow, but it does what I needed to do sometimes, most of the time. That sounds like you, actually. Yeah, it sounds a lot like Tyler. It kind of sounds like asking. Hey, hey.

You see, you know, it was gone somewhere. You see. We've discovered that we are essentially, like, the male-female versions of each other. Yes. And if you'd like to hear me on that, go listen to the right wrong turns episode in a week or so. So if you like us, which I hope you do because you're listening to us right now, go listen to the male version of us. And you'll love it.

Shameless plugs. Exactly. So, yeah. Honestly, though, bear with me. It's kind of like a cult because, like, everyone must be part of the cult because it's like an instant. joke. Oh, the super neat club that I won't think. Exactly. I had that thought one time Charlie Manson. He did.

And then he followed through. You know who would have followed Charlie Manson? This girl right here. Ash. Oh, oh, yes. And probably Tyler. Tyler would have followed Jim Jones. Oh, yes. Yikes. Yes. Very true. I would have... Actually, it's funny because Jim Jones's church

went through Disciples of Christ, which is actually the church that I go to now. Oh, no what? So you have a connection? Yeah. Already. Mildly. But Jim Jones.

But Jim Jones also, like, walked very far away from the church. But, like... A little bit. Yeah. Yeah, just a tiny bit. Like... Slightly. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, just a little bit. Like, honestly, not even that much. I'm not really a big fan of Kool-Aid, so I feel like I wouldn't have followed him. Actually, actually, it wasn't... It wasn't, yeah. It was the generic version. Well, I feel like if I already don't like Kool-Aid, I probably wouldn't like flavory. Probably.

Probably. Well, there goes that sponsor. Oh, there's a good chance. I don't know if they sponsor much of anything nowadays. No, you're already following Charlie Manson. You're already on the BW bus. I've been on that bus. Tripping on acid.

Hell yeah. Yeah. It wasn't helter-skelter, because they spelled it wrong. It was like heelter-heelter-skelter. Or according to these two gals, it's hiltor-swell-ed. In fact, right now we are helter-sweltering up here because it is hot. I'm wearing like this weird washing top thing and it's not

great. It's not conducive. And I still smell like everyone I worked with today, so. Luckily I didn't work today because if I smelled like everyone I work with. Never. Nice. I'd smell like old body parts. Old body parts? Body parts. Body parts. What's a body fart?

What's an old body? A daycare. Like not a fresh one? What is this? He's not like a fresh fomty far. Oh, that's my favorite smell of candle. That's like the favorite scent of candy. I retracts my statement. The smell of autumn.

It's the newest Halloween scent. Oh, yes, of course. I feel like those are the same thing. Ding down. Oh, man. I cannot. All right. Without further ado.

Oh, should I get into this? Oh, yeah. Maybe we should do this. So I thought it would be fun because we have two people on here who are not native to Massachusetts. Here's a hint. It's not ashen myself. We have a bunch of assholes. We are super massholes.

So I figured we would just relish in our mass wholenessness. And we would do something from good old same. Salem, Massachusetts. Yeah, yeah. Because all kinds of weird shit happens there. Can I admit something that's going to get me a whole bunch of fucking hate? Oh, I know what you're going to say. I've never been to Salem.

Oh, I haven't either. Well, that makes sense for you. I've taken to her up approximately my whole life. I'm taking away your mouss whole card. Well, actually, I've been... Uh-oh. Is the six flags in Salem? Is that?

Nope. No. Is it through Salem? Nope. You try. You try. You're trying. I'm asking of straws here.

Unless you've gone to like the house of seven Gables And gone to that like old burial ground You haven't gone to Salem Okay well I want to Because like I'm kind of a witch You're kind of a witch You're not a true witch till you've been to Salem So tonight

I'm going to give a little bit of a A journey Into the Joshua Ward House Oh I heard he's a douche No he is not I heard someone involved in the story Like I heard Joshua was a real douche

You mean every person Yeah That was accusing people of being a witch. A bunch of duchy. Little duchy. And we're also, so this is going to be about the house, but we're going to go into like Giles Corey a little bit. That guy's a douche.

No. Girl, are you from Massachusetts? No. I was born in Hawaii. You are. She was born in Hawaii, that's true. Oh, wow. That's awesome.

That's awesome. You're like kind of way out there. Yeah, really like. I have a way out there. She's seen his way up there. Oh, that's true. So we are going to start our tale on Washington Street in Salem. And on Washington Street, seat on Washington Street.

There. It is a seat on Washington Street. Exactly. Is this Dr. Seuss? It is. We're switching up the whole thing. So on Washington Street in Salem, right now, there sits a large brickman. This mansion was owned by a wealthy merchant and sea captain by the name of...

Great segue. Joshua Ward. Not a douche. Crazy, I know. So he built this home in 1784. In fun little fact, George Washington stayed there well-businessed San Juan. Wow. That reminds me...

A guest of awards in October 1789. So that's pretty rad. Yeah, whenever Abraham Lincoln stayed there in Illinois. Yeah, wow, that's kind of crazy. That is kind of weird. It's like, yeah, for sure. It's like President's just like to, like, have sleepovers at really much of his house. That's kind of fun.

It's like presidents like to keep in touch with, you know, important people in the country. Right? That's really weird. George Washington probably won't stay in your house. Okay. Yes, he did. Well, he stayed in this house back in 1789. Connecting.

Probably why it's called Washington Street. Makes sense. I get it. Yeah, see. And it was called the Washington Hotel at some point, and that was because he stayed there because they were like, look, he stayed here once. That's valid. I'm staying this one out. For like three hours.

Yeah. He was great. Like, he walked through here once. And, yeah, totally does. Like, he threw, used tissue on the floor once. It was awesome. And so, and actually in this, in the windows of this house for a while, they had a bust of George Washington. Because, again, they're like really banking on this whole George Washington stayed here.

But they had to remove it because humans are dumb, and they kept walking by and thinking they were seeing the ghost of George Washington and freaking the fuck out. That's my favorite thing I've ever heard in my whole life. Right? So they had to take it out of the window. You know I would be one of those bitches. That was like, oh, George! George! You feel like, I swear!

I know I saw George. 100%. Well, Ward, so he built this beautiful brick mansion. It's really pretty. It's huge. you totally want to live there if you look at it but you don't because and here's why

is it haunted? A little bit okay he built this house on the remaining foundation of a home that once stood on the property and this home that once stood on the property has a little bit of a bleak past

oh the mansion sits on the exact spot where the residence of Sheriff George the Strangler Corwin used to be you know what she's like a fun guy. I would allow my kids this is a real party animal to be with me.

He sounds like a babysitter. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. He sounds totally harmless. He's just chilling as all. Yeah. And you know what's nice? This was not only his home, it was also used as a jail and his personal torture chamber. Oh, so like best place to build a new property.

Yeah, he seems fine. You think people would just like research on the land first. It's free real estate. Oh my gosh That's so not good I mean I don't see anything wrong yet No I feel like this is fine

Oh yeah no this is fine Completely back phone Completely fine And obviously One does not get the nickname The Strangler Because you're a dude who likes to spread Peace and love all over

In fact Corwin happened to be one of the most evil sadistic interrogators And witch slash warlock killers in the history of Salem. So this guy's the douche. Yeah, he's a bad dude. So he was like a strangler and got away with it because he's like,

these people are witches. Exactly. Oh, man. That's like almost even worse. Oh. Yeah, he was like, he was like a straight up monster and he just happened to live in a time where it was totally legal for him to be straight up monster. Yeah, he was the worst.

And he was sheriff. That's the other thing. And he dresses up like like dog the bounty hunter. Exactly. With the mullet and everything. Oh my god, we are fucking one. I love Dog the Bounty Hunter. We literally talked about it on a previous episode.

We did. I sang the theme song, but I think you edited it out. I did. Whatever. And I'll do it again. The listeners have a right to know. So just picture that. Oh, that one of talking about it's great.

He's known for, like, harmony. But he looked like Dog the Bounty Hunter. All right, fine. Let's just go with that. With like a curly. Way back in like the 1600s. Yeah. That was cool in the 1600s.

Oh, no. And it's like peroxide blonde. Peroxide blonde. That's what I'm going to start calling my hair. It was truly ahead of his time. He was. He was so ahead of his time. And everyone's wondering like, where did you get those sunglasses at?

Wait, what are sunglasses? What are sunglasses? What are glasses? What is the sun? Why is that on your face? Why didn't you have? He's like, don't worry about it. And he's like, don't worry, you'll understand.

There will come a time when you'll understand. Maybe not now, but I will be relevant. So, good old George was born February 26, 1666. Oh, honey. 666. Oh, yes, you. Just saying. No.

Just saying. I mean, I'm not saying, but I'm saying. Are you saying? I'm saying. It sounds like, it sounds to me like you're saying. Are you saying on you? I might be saying. Oh my God.

She's saying. She's saying all right. I might be saying. There's a lot of saying. San just lost all in the meaning. It really did. So he, not a lot was known about his childhood because, you know, like the 1600s. That shit is kind of tough to do.

Yeah. They weren't just, yeah. But I'm going to assume it was not like great. Right. That's just me. If you become that, you're probably not having a great childhood. So he was the grandson of John Winthrop, the younger, who was the governor of Connecticut, and his wife, Lydia Gendene, Gendney, whatever.

She's dead. She's dead. She was the daughter of Bartholomew Gedney, one of the magistrates involved in the witch trials. Of course his name was Bartholomew. Of course it was. It couldn't be anything else. I would expect nothing less. I'm naming my first born Bartholomew.

I'm going to work on saying it in the meantime. You gotta say it right once before you know what I'm gonna give a kid that. Barthie for sure. Berfernerner. Berfermmer. Oh, a little barfirmar. Berfmermer. Which is shame.

I don't know. Don't worry about it. It's like Burma. It's whatever you want it to be. It will be. So George became the high sheriff, not just the sheriff, the high sheriff. Oh, wow. Okay.

Of Essex County, Massachusetts during the witch trial. So between 1692 and 1693, he signed warrants for the arrest and execution of those condemned of witchcraft. So Corwin was also responsible for choosing the execution site in Salem for the 19 innocent people that he fucking hanged. Good. His nickname. Not good. Not good. Did he choose what?

His home. Yeah. Did he choose his home? To execute them. Oh, I was like, what? Is that why they were all there? No, he didn't, well, he didn't hang them all at his house. He hung them in, like, Gallows Hill.

Just keep talking. He just tortured them in his house. Oh. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't kill people in his house. Come on. I know. You're not a monster.

Actually, he did kill people in his house. Oh, okay. Oh. But he didn't hang people in his house. Oh, okay. He has some tags. There's a difference. And that makes it better?

Totally. It's not as bad. God, Ash. He wasn't like a total monster. Yeah, he wasn't a total monster. He wasn't hanging people in his house. So I don't know if you guys are wondering where the nickname the Strangler came from. I am.

You guys wondering? This point is. Yeah. A little bit. That guy's wondering. All right. That guy. This was due.

That guy over there. That guy is wondering. So this was due to the fact that he developed some cruel methods for getting, quote, unquote, witches to admit their allegiance to Satan. So, Tom. One of these was really, really. fun, totally, totally fine. It's not going to terrify you at all. Oh, no. It included... I thought you're taking a quick break from terrified.

We are. This is not as bad as the toy box killer. I am so ready. No kidding. I'm so ready to not be terrified at all right now. Like, that's how, that's how ready I am. Ready? So you're ready. So he used to tie the neck of the accused to their ankles until a stream of blood exploded out of their nose. Duff. He would just tighten it slowly. Oh, my gosh. Gosh, you told me to, like, put on my non-surprise cap, and it's been completely blown off. And then I gave you some blood exploding out of the nose.

Just to recap, what? It tied their neck to their ankles. And then he would just, like, slowly pull it until he, like, fucked them up so much that blood just exploded out of their nose. And that was what? And you know what? When the blood exploded out, he was like, that's a good day's work. I'm done. Sounds like a sick party.

Yeah, he was like, you know what, and done. Wow. He's clocking out for the day. Just a thought of that. So, basically it was like the most slow and torturous strangulation ever. And it goes without saying, but like, they definitely accidentally made a sadist sheriff. Like, I think we can all agree. Yeah.

Yeah. So I just hate that when that happens. Yeah, that's the worst. That is the worst when you're like, shit. Oh, shucks. We did it again. We did it again. We did it.

Maybe next time. Next time we'll get it right. Few people have to die, but, you know, it's fine. There's always next year. There is. There's always next year. Not for those people, but there's next year for us. So, on September 16, 1692,

he was ordered by the Court of Orier and Terminer to preside over the interrogation by torture of one Giles Corey, who was pressed to death for refusing to stand trial for witchcraft. Could you define pressed it to death? Oh, don't you worry, I'm going to get into it right then. You think I'm just going to fly over that? I'm going to bring you into it. So this happened to be, I'm going to press you to death.

And that's how I'm going to show you. That's how I'm going to show you. So it goes something like this. Lay down, right. This is when we need the video for the podcast. Oh, yes, perfect. Yeah. So we'll wait till next time to do it to you.

Oh, okay. I'll just explain to do this time. So Giles Corey was Corwin's last interrogation and execution, and it may be the one that definitely had the most lasting effect. He went out with a bang. He sure did. He sure did. So we're going to get into Giles' Corey now.

So Giles Corey was pressed to death on September 19th, 1692 in Salem Village, again, for refusing to go to trial or enter any plea for witchcraft's accusations. So often people accused would refuse to enter a plea at all, and they referred to this as standing silent or standing mute. And it's important to note that this wasn't always purely out of pride or stubborn or just like being a badass. Back then, a convicted person forfeited all their property once they were convicted. So if he had entered a plea, he wasn't going to be found innocent because, like, witch trials in Salem. They were like, you're all witches. Let's deal with it.

So he knew that if he made any plea and went to trial, his heirs were going to receive nothing to inherit because the government would just seize his estate. So by refusing to plead and dying under torture instead, they would protect their heirs. So it's like kind of selfless and like sad. You're like shit. But when this refusal to plea happened, English law implemented what was known as, and this is French and I did not take French. Okay. So pardon me. Pardon my French.

Oh, did you take French? You didn't take French. No, but Ma talks for a lot. Because I'm going to butcher this. Let me see. Yeah. You look at it. I don't want to be the dumb American.

I'm sorry. I'm not going to be. I'm forward to eat at a doo room. Yeah, that. It's a French phrase. You pretentious Americans. We are. We are such pretentious Americans, and we swear too much.

So, this French phrase means strong and hard punishment. Oh, good. Which sounds fine, right? Oh, yeah. Totally. So when Giles Corey stood silent and refused to stand trial with a plea, this strong and silent thing came into play, and his strong and hard punishment was pressing.

Well, if I'm on trial, and then it turns out that I'm going to get a strong and a hard punishment from a guy named the Strangler, I think I might just start crying right there. Right? Oh, no. You'd be like, you know what? You know what?

And I'd be like, fuck my airs. I'm entering a plea. I didn't have many yet, so here's the food. I'm like, love you guys, but like, get a job. I'm not getting pressed to death for your ass. All right. So I was going to say in history class, we probably all heard this particular story, but Ash didn't know what Kyle's Corey was.

No, no, I heard it. I remember it now. I know, at least in Massachusetts. You need to think about, like, my whole high school experience and the things that I remember and the things that I don't. That's true. I need to not expect that. You know, actually, I can't say that I've ever heard of it either. So maybe it might be in Massachusetts. I think it is.

We learned about it. I just have, I forget everything. I'd only learned about it from other podcasts. I didn't, we learned a lot about Missouri's stuff, but there's nothing. We didn't have any witch trials or anything like that in Missouri. I mean, we learned about the, you missed out. We learned about the crucible. Yeah, that was.

That was the... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Salem, Witch Child. Yeah. Oh, Limer-Wilmer.

She's in the movie. That wasn't just having, like, a moment. I love you, but you didn't go to, like, you didn't go to the book. You were like, that movie. You watched that movie at night. It's like a real event, and you're like, the movie was great.

It was. It was good. Yeah, so that's around the same thing. The book was I. It's like John Proctor, I think. Yeah. He's in the story. Yeah, so he's in this story.

So we're bringing it all back. My favorite person in the book was Goody Good, just because I could remember that name so well. Anyway. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's my little bit to add to the conversation. I feel like I liked that. That was neat. I love it.

So I guess it's a Massachusetts thing, really, that we heard about this because we went there and chit. So it's important to know, like you asked, what the torture of pressing entailed. Tell us. So we did a torture episode, but we did not touch upon this particular method of torture. Pressing is pretty brutal. Sounds it. The executioners would tie the stripped naked victim down on the ground. Why you got to be naked?

You always have to be naked. That's just like humiliating. It's just like every torture that like, no matter what it is, they're like just fucking take his clothes off. What are clothes doing here? Casual. Casual to make it. You'll be a day suit. Always casual.

I'm casually naked. And you are laid down on the ground on your back. Once you're in that position, they would start placing a board on your chest and a board on your abdomen. And on that board, they would slowly start adding stones or iron weights, gradually increasing the weight as they went.

Oh, no. Is it a hole dug in a hole? They are. Usually you would dig your own pit that you were put in. Ah, I thought so. The fuck. Yeah. I thought I've heard of this book.

Yeah, and actually with Giles Corey, he had to dig his own pit. Oh, that's so messed up. I know, it just adds another layer of, like, dick to it. Who? Like, what a dick. Another layer of dick. Like, you're such a dick. Just another layer of dick.

Just drowning in dick. You're just drowning in it. And this particular torture. Yuck. Yuck. Oh, that's a different type of torture. It is. True.

That's very true. So anyway. So anyway. This would essentially suffocate the victim slowly. No way. And this would take like days. Way. Just wait.

I'm so surprisingly. I'm like shocked. But I'm saying slowly. But like why though? Because like wait. Oh. It took days? See, I was bleeding up to that.

You said it. Yeah. It takes days for the shit to have. happened. So you would lay there for like two days. Oh, two. Two days still sucks. That's like when you were like, I went six flags, you just have to be in a coffin for 30 hours. And I was like, it's fine. I'm like, it's just two days. Yeah, no big deal. In a coffin. I'm just kidding. Fuck that. Yeah. So if this already, now, again, I was saying, and you brought me there quicker than I was going there. I was saying if this already didn't

sound psychotic, it took two fucking days. So these, The person that was accused would either end up entering a plea or they would just straight up die. Either way. Even if they ended up entering a plea, they were probably going to be hanged anyways. So it's kind of like, lose the situation. Yeah. So really, you might as well just go with it. Instructions for this process included giving the victim bread and water the first day,

and then just foul water the second day. The fuck is foul water. Not sure what foul water is, but. That could be a lot of dirty water It's just warm pee in it Yeah It's hot blood It's post bath water

Post bath water in the 1600s Imagine the nasty shit in that Oh my god Hold on one minute and just have a thought That is foul Because the whole family bathed in that water Imagine being the last person to take a bath And then they were just like

There's no point of bathing You're just stinking motherfucker. It was actually usually the children and then the wife and then the father of the family. Oh shit, that's why the father always stank. Well, kids are gross. Kids aren't gross. I can attest to that. I make them make them last.

Children are definitely gross. Mama first. Mama first. You wouldn't be here without mama, so mama first. Now, a little background on Giles, so you know how he got there. Because that's a big jump. Giles was a prosperous farmer who lived in the part of Salem Village that is present-day Peabody, Massachusetts. In 1685, really? That's a good story.

Thanks. That is exactly what we would say. Cool. Good story. Shut up. Good story, Tyler. In 1685, he married Martha Panoier Rich, who was a widow about nine years younger than him, so like, go, God. Oh, rock in the cradle. He was actually born in Northampton, England in 1621, but he immigrated to Massachusetts.

He probably shouldn't have. Which, real unfortunate. Yeah. Like, you should have to stay. Good call. Not a good move. Not doing that. In April 1692, both Martha and Giles were arrested for suspicion of witchcraft.

Like, what did you have to do, do you think? Really nothing. Are you going to tell me? I'm going to tell you, but honestly, you just had to, like, walk by the witchcraft. He just had to, like, walk by the wrong person with the wrong time. Yeah, essentially, you just kind of, like, had to, like, piss off the community that you were in, and they kind of all be like, hmm, we don't like them. Oh, I do that all the time. So, I would be like, bitch, you're a witch.

And I'd be like, hmm, you're not wrong. You're not wrong. Don't press me. So prior to her first marriage, Martha Corey had given birth to a son whose father was unknown, so it was a bastard. This bastard child now lived in the Corey household. So this was considered like taboo. People were like, hmm, raise an eyebrows. What are we supposed to do?

Just like throw it out the window? Yeah. Shit. Obviously. You're like, exactly. He's throwing out the window and then you have to go clean out. Someone's going to find a dead baby there and accuse you of witchcraft. Exactly.

They're going to be like, that's witchcraft. It was a bastard. And they're like, oh, good job. Good job. Good. And in fact, like, whatever do you think. like they were like raising eyebrows. Their eyebrows weren't just like raising,

but they were like going like all the way to the back of the head. Just like shooting off of theirs. Peculiar. Peculiar. Now, let's press them. Let's just press them. Let's just give us much going on this. Let's just see what comes out of it.

Let's see. Two days. It's not four days. I don't have anything else to do over the weekend. So yeah, let's just press them. So Martha was a good church-going woman, and she wanted her husband Giles to join her as a church member. Now, as an aside, things were clearly a little different back then, and you didn't just, like, go to church and become a member of the congregation. This was 17th century New England, so church was not actually even a building, per se.

It was just this core group of members who were considered saints, and they were accepted into the church completely. These people... Oh, great. So a cult. Literally. Literally. Literally. essentially. Because you had to go through some shit to get that.

These people... Oh, a hazing cult. They went through. Good, good. They had to stand... A church frat? A church frat. Church frat.

Church frat. These people had to stand in front of the congregation and confess every single sin they ever committed in their life to become a member. Oh, you'd be there a long time. Yeah. I'd be like, like, so first I was born, then... I'd be like, everyone's sit down. I hope you have some snacks. Oh, my God.

Snacks. We immediately are like, food. Yeah. Have some food. So, yeah, so this gave them eligibility to receive the sacraments of communion, as well as baptism for their children, yada, yada, yada. And Reverend Samuel Paris was ordained to this church in 1689, and that's when Salem Village formed this kind of church.

and began to accept members, which included Martha Corey. Now, this whole crazy process is likely why Giles. I'm thinking of Buffy too much. Every time I see Giles, I think Giles from Buffy. I keep thinking about that too. You haven't seen Buffy? Sorry. Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

No, neither. Go watch it. I mean, I know what it is. It's so good. I know what it is. I haven't watched it. The theme song, oh, now I just want to hear of the theme song. I know.

Well, there is a character named Giles, and he's, great, but this is Giles. Not to be confused. Exactly. Not the same person. I know it was confused. So, and this whole crazy process of, like, standing in front of a church and telling everyone the bad shit you've done your whole life is probably why Giles joined a church

in another town because he was like, I'm not doing that confession shit. That's probably like, because... They were like, you're a witch. Well, and Giles didn't exactly have, like, a pristine past. Like, he wasn't... So he was like, no, I'm not really going to do that. Now, luckily in 1666, for those among them that didn't have, like I said, a pristine past, John Higginson convinced Salem Town Church to change their requirements for membership from public confession to the candidate's good behavior for a month.

So they were like, just don't be a shithead for a month and you can be in our church. Even that's hard. No matter what you've done in your past. Exactly. They were like, you murdered someone, it's fine. Just don't do that for a month. Calm down for a minute. You can be in our church. Stop real quick.

Yeah, just take a break. They also had to make a private confession of faith to the minister, which, I mean, that's easy if you've murdered someone, then not done it for a month. Yeah. The first person to be accepted under these new rules was Bartholomew Gedney. My first sport. Yes, you are.

Bishuif you were. He would be joined later by John Hawthorne and Jonathan Corwin. because everyone's name was John. I was just going to say a lot of Johns. It's a lot of John's. It's a lot of John's. Yes. I know we have a lot of Johns in our family.

And then I went up and married one, not from our family. But let me just make that very clear. Abundantly clear. I just went and found another job to bring into the family. To complete the line of Johns. I had to. It was necessary. It's a continuous cycle.

I just have to keep it going. So all three of these dudes would be judges on the court of Oyer and Terminer that conducted the witch trials. Bringing it back. Yippie. So it's thought that Giles probably had to seek this less strict church because he kind of did some shit. He'd seen some shit. He'd seen some shit. So his admission to the Salem Town Church, like, it like acknowledged that.

It said he had been a scandalous person in the former time. Haven't we all? You know? I'm saying. What did it take to be a scandalous person in the 1660s? Right? Like you... If you stepped wrong, then you were scandalous. You were pretty scandalous.

One time you, like, sneezed. Yeah. Which? What was that wind coming out of your nose? You didn't say bless you. Sorcery. Everyone thinks that you're a freaking airbender because you sneeze. They'll kill him now.

Just kill him. Don't even get him in the trial. Don't even press it. Let's just get him wrong. He throws babies out of windows. It's everything. Strip him impressing. Yeah, strip him.

I don't care if they were legitimate or not. Whatever we're going to do to him, just strip him naked first. Always. Take his clothes off. While we decide this, just strip him naked. You must. So he wouldn't be total saint status in the church, because he wouldn't be total saint status in the church, because he still was kind of shit.

But they gave him right to communion, so that's cool. He could go take the wafer, which I don't even know if that's what it was back then, but I imagine it was. Now, him being allowed to receive communion in the church probably pissed off some of the Salem villagers because they were like, he's a dirty bird and he should not be in our church. They probably thought he was like sullying. I wonder if they actually said that word for word. I think that's probably what they're going to be. they said. They were like, he's a direct quote.

We didn't interview. Yeah, I was there. I'm the oldest one here, and I'm the oldest one on the planet. Which. So, yeah. Which. Or are you at the stage? Which right here. So they were probably like, you're sullying the good name of this church by being in it, and they were probably like,

we're going to get you back, which they did. So why might Giles have been accused of witchcraft? Well, in the 1670s, his neighbor, John Proctor The Crucible I.E. I know. He accused Giles of setting fire

to his house. That's a lot. Which, like, that's a lot. Yeah. Calm down. That's a real shit move. We'll say Giles. Right, Giles?

It's not a witchcraft thing, though. Calm down, Giles. Another man accused Giles of tearing down his fence and stealing his wood, hay, and tools. That else just sounds like a shitty neighbor, not a witch. Right? Like, he's just mischievous, I feel. He's just,

He is. He is a wild streak. He's a wildflower. He can't help it. So, and then now this one, this one ratchets it up a notch. At another time, in a fit of anger, he used a stick to severely beat his hard hand, Jacob Goodell. And that man died after of those wounds. All right.

So a little bit more than a shitty neighbor. So like, great. A murderous shitty name. He like kind of sort of murdered someone. Yeah. Kind of sort of. It happens. He's slightly murdered someone.

But he got a fine for that. So he paid his dues, guys. Oh, okay. Oh, great. So, like, $50 or something. Yeah, they were like, give us, like, a handful of shrubbery and we'll, you're good. Okay, okay, I get it. So, like, basically have sex, have a baby with a man that you don't know very well.

You get killed for it. Yep. Murder someone and pay, like, five shellings in your fine. Yeah, it's all good. Okay. I mean, yeah. I don't see a problem with that at all. No, you're right.

You're right. This is justice, okay? Tyler, it's justice. Oh, okay. In 16, 16. Do not argue with justice. We've come along with license. We have.

Sort of. So, but you know what's good? He hadn't committed any crime since marrying Martha. So he was good for a while. So that's good. Martha saved him. Yeah, Martha was good for him. And, you know, like, let's just all forget about that.

So, and he, so the Salem Church record notes a remarkable change in Corey once he became a member of the church. It says, he found him some God. He found them some God, like are they all do in prison? Yeah. So it says, quote, Giles Corey, a man of 80 years of age, having been a scandalous person in his former time, and God having in his later time awakened him unto repentance, he stood propounded a month, making a confession of such evils, as had been observed to him before, he was received into the church with consent of the brethren. Damn it, I almost got that without stuttering.

That was good. Brethren. There you go. You're now put in word jail. Yeah. Damn it. You're rich. So, obviously, people saw that he regretted his former sins and he was trying to change.

Now, before he was accused of witchcraft, his wife Martha was actually accused of witchcraft. She, and it made no sense because she was like a good lady and was like going to church and she was like, I don't understand this. So she also had no idea about this kind of paranoia with the witchcraft stuff. So she denied it very calmly when they accused her of it. Like she was like, no, I'm not a fucking witch. Like, what's wrong with you? So the judges misunderstood this as someone who had an evil plan that was successful so far, obviously. Of course they do.

I feel like part of it is like boredom. Because, like, back then, if you're not sick or if you're not dying from a sickness, there's no TV. There's no football game to watch. Their real housewives are not the thing yet. Yeah, it's like, what do you want to do this weekend? I don't know. Oh, I want to press somebody. That's what I want to do.

It's like your plans for the weekend. You're like, you know what? We're actually going to burn Sally at the stake, and then we were going to grab some stakes. Yeah, yeah. It's going to be great, guys. I'm so excited. And then after we were going to throw a baby out the window. Yeah.

You know. Just so we wouldn't be accused of witchcraft. So, unfortunately, she attempted to go to, you've probably heard this name, Ann Putnam. I think so. I think so. Yeah. I'm assuming she was. She attempted to go to her place, and as a result, Ann Putnam and her mother both started

pretending that Martha was torturing them with, like, her mind. Because that's what people did. Fantastic. Yeah, because so she went to these people and was like, please help, and they were like, you're a witch. Yes, it could. Oh, it would definitely come in handy. Yeah, seriously.

Well, and then they began mimicking her movements, like she was controlling them like puppets, which is like, they were smart back then. I was like, that's theatrical. You guys are the recipients. Yeah, that really is. Now, this, of course, convinced a jury of her guilt, this alone. Yeah, probable cause, am I right? They were like, see, she's making us do this.

And they were like, oh, obviously. They're like, you're voking? Do you know Madonna? You're voting? And then Madonna? What? That's so ahead of their time. Now, the problem with Giles was he tried to defend her.

So they were like, you'll which too then. Every man from himself like then. Yeah, exactly. Like if Annie had accused, I love her a whole bunch, but I'd be like, we were never together. I did not even know him. I've never met someone named to Annie. That's not even a photo of us. together.

I hope Annie doesn't listen to this. She doesn't. So, so, that's fun. See, I would stand by, John. She wouldn't. Every second of the one. I'd be like, he is not a witch. You can press me for it.

So, right? Right? Now I look like a shit. So sweet. Now, Corey was, so Corey was originally accused just for defending his wife. And because his family apparently was closely associated with the porter faction of the Village Church who was opposing the Putnam faction. So porters and Putnames hated each other.

That could be confusing. So I think it was also kind of compounded on the fact that he was a super hard and super stubborn man who expressed criticism. Criticism. Criticism. Criticism. Criticism. All right, I got it. Criticism of the whole witchcraft paranoia to begin with.

So they were like, oh, you don't believe in this? You're probably a witch. Yeah, back then it was just not good to stand against the crowd. Yeah, it really wasn't. Not sure was big. Yeah. You guys are right. Yeah.

That's what it's considered mob. Yep. This was full on mob hysteria. Oh, yeah. And his appearances in court, not for trial, were bananas. Because they actually tied his hands because they didn't want him casting spells on anyone. Because obviously. That makes sense.

Can you imagine, like, living at a time where that's what they have. Little did they have fucking mind powers. Right. No kidding. He did. He did. So did Martha. Tinfoil hat on him. Right. Like block it.

Sunglasses. Sunglasses and the dog's bounty hunter's sunglasses. They were everywhere. We just don't hear about them in history book. So according to court records written by Reverend Samuel Paris, all the afflicted were seized now. So everybody in the courtroom that, was pretending he was a witch, because you know all those people that have to, like, pretend that their specter is attacking him.

All the afflicted were seized now with fits and troubled with pinches. Then the court ordered his hands to be tied. So the magistrate said, what? Is it not enough to act witchcraft at other times, but must you do it now in the face of authority? And Corey said, I am a poor creature and cannot help it. Upon the... I'm not a witch. Like, he's like, I don't fucking know.

happening right now. Also, did you say he was 80? He was, he was old as fuck. Damn, that's crazy. Wow. I know. So this dude lives until 80 and then they press him to death. Like, that sucks. He could have been older. He could have just been older. I was going

somewhere with that, but it got late and I don't know. There could have been more days of him. He could have been older. Could have been older. So upon motion of his head again, they had their heads and necks afflicted. So after untying one of his hands, the afflicted girls began having fits, according to Paris's records.

It says one of his hands was let go and several were afflicted. He held his head on one side and then the heads of several of the afflicted were held on that one side. He drew in his cheeks and the cheeks of some of the others were afflicted were sucked in. So he was like, like, fish face and they did the same thing. So essentially it's just like a click of like teenage girls that were like killing this man. Literally.

They were trying to. Like having fun too. Like having fun. killing this 80-year-old. I bet they were the real witches. Right? Oh, yeah. Baches.

Yeah. Giles, unfortunately, after all this, they were like, you're clearly a witch. So that's when they pressed him to death in an open pit that he was forced to dig himself. All who knew him and all his neighbors were watching the whole time. So that's cool. Now, whenever Corwin, who was doing the execution, remember, we're talking about Georgie Corwin. Dogger body number? The strangler.

Yeah, doggy the valley. Doggy about it. Doggy the bounty hunter. He was the original dog the bounty hunter. He was the original dog's bounty hunter. Yeah, little known fact. So whenever Corwin would tell him to plead, he would just respond with more weight.

Because Giles was a badass of the highest owner. Yeah, no kidding. Yeah, he was like, fuck you, more weight. So he also, he was a badass for sure, but he also probably knew more weight meant he would die quicker. So he was like, just pack that you on. Come on, let's get this time. Just do it.

You know what? I actually feel like that is kind of familiar. I feel like I think I have like that. More weight, right? That's like the famous line attributed to it. It's like etched on like the memorial and Salem next to his name, everything. Really? Wow. Yeah. So it's like his, that's like the infamous line. Let's take a trip. I love Salem. We should go. We should. So after being tortured for days, he finally died on September 19th, 1692. He was buried in an unmarked grave on Gallows Hill. Although he is, now part of the big memorial of victims of the Salem Witch Trials by the old burial grounds in Salem. Now, September 18th, like the day before he died, right in the middle of his torture, Giles Corey was

in the middle of his torture was excommunicated from the church. They're like, by the way, you can't come back. Like while he was under there, they were like... Even in the afterlife. Even though you like admitted all your shit, you can't come back. So the church documents argued that he was either guilty of witchcraft or of suicide due to his choice to endure lethal torture rather than enter a plea.

So that sucks. Well, you know why they did that prior to his death, right? Because you can't the church can't excommunicate, yeah, the church can't excommunicate a dead person. Yes. So they're like, you're not associative of us, motherfucker. I didn't even do that on purpose, but we just connected to your last episode. I know, right? And if you want to hear that, go listen to it.

Excommunication means to not be able to accept communion. So it's kind of redundant to excommunicated dead person because they can't even accept communion in the first place. And what a dick move that would be to excommunicated dead person? You're like just to really rub it in. Now, unfortunately, Martha Corey had been excommunicated a week earlier on September 11th, 1692. Later, in 1712, both of their excommunications were rescinded. So they were able to. So they were, now that they were dead, they were not excommunicated anymore.

get community next week. But at least later they took it back. Like, they were like, just kidding. So that's nice. Now, of all the things people can remember about Giles' quote, Corey, which are a lot, his curse is one that wreaks havoc even today. Because before he died, he supposedly looked at Sheriff Corwin

and yelled, damn you, I curse you and I curse Salem. Oh, that is how you actually know that you're cursed. Right. Like you've just been, wow. Like, he looked at him and was like, you right there, you've been cursed. Like right there. I am going to destroy your days. Literally.

All of them. And the whole town. Like he was like by the same way. I would be like, fuck this place. Like that place sucks. Yeah. Yeah. Well, four years after Corey's death, Sheriff Corwin died suddenly in 1696 of a heart and blood ailment at just 30 years old. Oh, honey. Just saying.

Spooky stuff is happening. He's cursed. Now, that's spooky. But that curse didn't just hit Corwin, that sheriff. It has cursed every Salem sheriff since 1962. What? In the 1970s, after Salem Sheriff Robert E. Cahill was forced to retire early due to a stroke, heart attack, and a rare blood condition. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, like all those things at once. I feel like I don't want to be sheriff. Yeah, like the nope. Thank you. I'll take that promotion with a news. Well, he ended up looking into the history of the sheriff's office, and as described in the book, cursed in New England, it says that Mr. Cahill notes that the sheriff before him also contracted a serious blood ailment while in office. It forced him to retire. He, in turn, had inherited the post from his father after the elder man died of a heart attack while serving as sheriff. The previous

sheriff had suffered heart problems as well. So have all the others as far back as anyone could trace, he says. So they've all had heart ailments and blood ailments. And then like the sheriff after that, he's like, hey, can I get this promotion but like not be called a sheriff? Like maybe that's much wrong. Like, can I be called like super lawman extreme? I like that. I'm the super lawman extremist down. Like, you're going down.

Just do not call me sheriff. Like that'd be great. Can I be. Yeah. I'll be super law. man extreme urchart that's it there's only one there's only room for one super long one extreme in this town that has a nice ring to me yeah it's really snappy so snappy now luckily in 1991 the sheriff's office was moved from salem to middleton so the curve seems to be chilling now and it's not

taking over any sheriff's blood anymore and they think that the move was the reason they like it's out of Salem. I think so. Yeah. Still, it's weird. It's definitely weird. I think there's a few people I'd curse. So now we're just going to pop on back to George Corwin real quick.

Now, after Corwin's death at only 30 years old, before they could get it into, before they could get him to a more proper burial site, his burial was delayed by a Salem resident named Philip English. This Philip English was accused during the witch trials and had somehow got out of it. I don't know how. but he had had his property seized by Corwin in the process. In a hilarious twist of power, Philip English put a lien on Corwin's corpse and delayed its burial until he had been reimbursed for the property he lost to Corwin.

So he was eventually reimbursed and that's when his burial could happen. How a badass. Wow. Right? Seriously. Like that's amazing. That's a mic drop right there. And at the time of his. death because he couldn't be put anywhere else.

Corwin was, and he was also despised by his entire family, by the way, like he sucked. His family buried him in the cellar of his own home, the Joshua Ward House, because they were scared that an angry public, including Corey's widow, would desecrate his corpse. They were like, they were like, an angry mob is going to come pull him apart. So we need to put him in the summer. Yeah, yeah, you know. So this guy ruthlessly tortured accused. witches, murdered accused witches, and was buried in the house that is now the site of the mansion that

still stands. Yikes. Now, obviously some paranormal ship is probably going to be hanging out. Nowadays, this site is a boutique hotel called The Merchant, which is paying homage to the house's less nightmarish owner, the Sea Merchant. But they're not psyched to chat about any of the, like, shitty history that the place has. Like, they're like, what? No, it's not hot.

Like, what are you talking about? Yes. Like, fuck you guys. Like, stay here. It's cool. Before it was a hotel, it was a real estate company and a publishing company. Now, initially, it was felt that two ghosts resided in the mansion, and that was George Corwin and his last victim, Giles Corey.

Both of these ghosts have a reputation for being restless and kind of pissed off, which you can kind of understand. Items are found out of place a lot in the mansion. Trash cans are found turned over. Things are thrown off of shelves, and rooms are just suddenly a straight-up mess out of nowhere. Like you'll walk into a rum and it's just like fucking crazy. It's been dogged. Which I just think is messy people.

It's dogs of the 90s. He just came through here again. Damn it. Did you find the pair of sunglasses? What's happening? I'll mine keep getting stolen. Where are all my sunglasses going? Now, candlesticks have also been found on the floor with their tapers found melted into like shapes of various letters.

Like trying to spell something out. Hate it. which I think is rad. Like, I'd be like, keep going. I want to know what you're saying. Spell it out. I'd be like, I'm going to vacate. I'm going to leave now.

And over the course of two years, one alarm in the house was triggered over 60 times without any explanation. Only one of them? Yeah, only one of them, like one particular one. Yeah. There are also cold spots felt in specific parts of the house all the time. And the apparition of the scene being on a chair near one of the fireplaces. Which if I saw him, I feel like I would just want to, like, sit down and ask him if it was worth being a shit stain for so long.

Like, was it worth it? And then he possessed you and you would be, uh, I know, he would be called a witch. And then, exactly. And then the whole thing would start all over again. Yeah, it would. Oh, God, imagine. Oh, my God. It's basically happening now.

You just ended up TMC. Exactly. So in the mid-1980s, several witnesses reported being choked by an unseen engine. entity when they went into the house. Kinky. This makes sense. I'm sure they felt that way. They were like, ooh.

I'm kind of into it. I didn't know this came with the hotel. I'm kind of into it, but it's a little spooky. I didn't pay for this extra service. Comes complimentary. Like breakfast. It was the breakfast. It's complimentary strangling.

Woo. So like confidential breakfast is continental strangling. Continental strangulation and shanking. Oh, my God, that should be the name of our episode. Continental strangling. Yep, done. So Carlson Realty bought the home in the 1980s, and they were going to turn it into their main headquarters.

After they moved in, now this is kind of like a famous photo, after they moved in, one realtor, Dale Lewinsky, was taking pictures of the staff with their pull over a camera for the holiday. Welcome display. And in one of the photos, she was trying to get a female staff member, but instead, a fucking terrifying image came out. And you can find it, you can Google it. I've seen this picture before. I'm going to post this shit. So the image, yeah, you got to bring this up. I'll see if asking you, because we'll definitely post it on the Instagram. Because what developed was a strange, full-length figure of a female with, like, crazy black hair. Yeah. that. My entire fucking body, you just got covered and chills. Well, the photo was published in Robert Cahill's book entitled Haunted Happenings.

Oh. A lot of people think that this lady is one of the accused witches that was tortured or killed at the house. Because she definitely looks like a witch. Seems reasonable enough. It does. So there is a paranormal, like, historic tour organization in Salem called Spellbound Organization. and they take people around to different sites and tell him the history and, like, do paranormal investigations and all that shit.

According to them, during one of their first paranormal investigations at the Joshua Ward House, some shit went down. So one of the investigators was in the basement. No one had heard from him for a while. So they were like, let's go check on Bob. And when they got down there, the dude was literally on the floor, writhing in pain and struggling to breathe. Oh, my God. So they finally got him up and got him up.

and got him to tell them what was happening and, like, try to calm down down there. And he said he was setting up equipment down there, and he was hit from behind by something. And then his throat suddenly seized up, and he couldn't breathe. So when he turned around to see who was fucking choking him, no one was there, but it continued. He still couldn't breathe. And he said he felt like it was a vice that was tightening around his throat. Oh, my God. That's crazy.

He actually, yeah, right? And he actually passed out, and that's when his colleagues found him. Whoa. He, yeah. While he told them this, they saw bruising start to appear on his neck that was consistent with what is seen in a victim who's been like violently choked. Oh my God. Don't like that one bit. That's wild.

That's badanas. That is not kinky. That is not kinky. That is P-A-Nate. This dude, this dude quit immediately. Yeah, I'm going to run over. He's like, I am not fucking with the paranormal anymore. Now I'm an accountant.

Yeah, definitely not. So another story from the same organization was from the founder and former head investigator Molly Stewart. She specializes in electronic voice phenomenon or EBPs. Molly had conducted two previous trips to the Joshua Ward House and she had taken pictures and like video and all that. Nothing really came from them. So she was like, bummer. So she went for a third time and she was like, I'm probably not going to get anything, but I'm going to try it again.

She was alone in the house and had set up audio and video recording devices everywhere. At the close of the investigation, she collected everything, brought him back to her office. And when she played the tape back from the basement, which is where Bob got choked, a voice growled out, I just want to keep you. Ooh. No thanks. No thanks. And she said it was like clear as day. I got some good old chills from that one. Right?

That's some goosebumps. That was nice. I don't like that. That'll give you the heaps. I've never felt so wanted. We all had different reactions. I just lost my earphone at all. I just want to keep you.

No. She checked all the surveillance footage. No person had been down there. No person had been in the house when she was there. And she said it was super clear, super distinct. No background distortion. Out of nowhere, it was like an angry voice yelling it. You know what she said to said?

I'm not your person. I am not your person. Just another one of those callbacks that you have to go to the other episode at the right wrong turn podcast. So yeah, that's basically the end of that. So basically the Joshua Wardhouse. I did.

I sure did. The Joshua Wardhouse is super fucking haunted. I wish I didn't look at that picture because now I have to drive home a fucking hour. I know. Nice. And we're in like a billion-year-old house. That's good enough to get the fuck out of here.

So yeah, that's the Joshua Wardhouse. Wow. Massachusetts is fucked. Wow. What a treat. Huh? Yeah, that was fun. That was something.

I'm just healing sometime, guys. Yeah. You need to. Let's go right now. Oh, man. Let's not go there. Wow. That was fucking insane.

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