Morbid - Fred & Dolly Oesterreich

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Ash brings us the story of Dolly Oesterreich and the murder of her husband Fred. When Fred was murdered late one summer night in the couple's home the police wondered if this was a burglary gone wrong. But they would soon learn they had always been closer to catching the killer than they realized. This is a tale of scorned lovers, deception, and lies but ultimately justice prevails.Thank you to David White for research assistance.ReferencesAssociated Press. 1930. "Sanhuber's Latest Story Under Fire." Evening Star, June 26: C3.—. 1930. "Attic Woman's Trial Nears End." Los Aangeles Times, August 20.Berkeley Daily Gazette. 1930. "Must Face Trial Together." Berkeley Daily Gazette, April 30: 18.Boston Globe. 1930. "Brother of Victim Plans Will Contest." Boston Globe, April 13: A19.Daily Boston Globe. 1930. "Hopelessly Deadlocked Oesterreich Jury Reports." Daily Boston Globe, August 25: 12.—. 1930. "Widow of Victim Silent on Murder." Daily Boston Globe, April 11: 34.L.A. Public Library. 1930. Otto in court. Photograph and caption. Los Angeles, California, June.Lardinois, Anna. 2021. The Legend of Milwaukee’s Most Infamous Love Triangle. April 13. Accessed November 3, 2022. https://www.milwaukeemag.com/the-legend-of-milwaukees-most-infamous-love-triangle/.Los Angeles Times. 1922. "Police Question Harry Vose." Los Angeles Times, August 28: 15.—. 1922. "Trap Ser for Man's Killers." Los Angeles Times, August 25: 21.Milwaukee Sentinel. 1930. "Bare Oesterreich Fire Plot." Milwaukee Sentinel, April 11: 1.New York Times. 1961. "'Batman' Figure Dies." New York Times, April 15: 10.—. 1930. "Indicts Widow in Murder." New York Times, April 18: 7.Nugent, Addison. 2016. The Married Woman Who Kept Her Lover in the Attic. June 7. Accessed November 3, 2022. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-married-woman-who-kept-her-lover-in-the-attic.Oxnard Daily Courier. 1930. "Oxnard Daily Courier." Must Face Trials Together, April 30: 1.Rasmussen, Cecilia. 1995. "‘Bat Man’ Case: a Lurid Tale of Love and Death." Los Angeles Times, March 20.2017. A Crime to Remember. Directed by Lisa Robinson. Produced by Christopher Dillon.San Jose News. 1930. "Says Attorney Coached Him in Confession." San Jose News, June 24: 48.San Pedro News Pilot. 1930. "Attic Lover is Found Guilty." San Pedro News Pilot, July 2.The Daily Californian. 1923. "Trial Continued." The Daily Californian, October 24: 7.United Press. 1930. "Third Person May Face Death Trial." Berkeley Daily Gazette, April 18: 21.—. 1923. "To Attack Testimony." The Eveneing News, July 28: 1. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a morbid you've been waiting for. A lot of y'all have been asking for this morbid. And you know what? It's time. Here we are. It's time.

We've arrived at Dennis Raider, BTK. I accidentally called him our guest earlier. She did. She did. And I was like, this speaks guest on the podcast. And you were like, you mean the fucking subject matter? And I was like, the case. Yes.

Because surprise. Everybody, Dennis Raiders in the house. No, he's not. He's not. Check your closets. He is not in the house. Intent, spoiler. He's currently.

He's in the big house. Yeah, he's in the big house. So this is going to be at least a two-parter, most likely a three-parter. One, two, three. When we've been, like, pushing him off for so long because there's many reasons. I have, like, very complicated thoughts about BTK. Number one, Elena, hates. Hates, hates, hates, B-TK with a full.

fiery. I really do. Passion. More fiery than her hair. And this is like reason. One, when I say I hate him and I'm going to call him like a loser and like stupid throughout this whole thing because he is. Okay. He's all of those things. But that doesn't mean that he is not wholly terrifying. Yeah, no. He's fucked up. He's a big conundrum of awfulness. But he's just so stupid and annoying that I hate him a lot. And he does really bad things as most of these guys do. But he really does bad things. hammers home the bad things. Yeah. He's just a bad guy. I know the overview of this case, but I don't know the gory details. A lot of people, I realized, don't, they know this case, they know who he is, but they don't know the details. And we're like, I never really looked into him, which surprised me.

But now I'm excited because now I can give you, like, all the really gory details. I think I remember seeing him covered on, like, forensic files or something. Oh, I'm sure. I mean, he's like, he's one of those. He's with the Ted Bundy's and the John Wayne Gacy's. the Jeffrey Dahmer's. So we only have like two items to just quickly go over with you. The first one is really awesome. And we already announced it on our social media. But if you are just listening to the podcast, we want to let you know that we are officially doing our first live show.

We manifested it like close to a year ago. And here we are. And it is happening. We did. And it is going to be happening October 30th, Halloween Eve, which is a lot of, It is almost the best night of the year. 2019. So only in a couple months, guys. And it's going to be happening at AS220 in Providence, Rhode Island. We are very excited about it. Dude, I literally can't wait.

Tickets are on sale right now. And the link is in our Instagram bio. So go there. Click on the link. Go buy tickets. They're 20 bucks. They're 20 bucks. I promise you it's going to be worth your while because we got some spooky yuki

awesomeness that we're ready to just vomit upon you. It's going to be amazing. And a lot of people are asking if they need to buy like special tickets for a meet and greet. Oh yeah. Guys, we're going to hang out when we're done. Absolutely. And just say hi to every single one of you until everyone's gone. Exactly.

Like I want to meet all of you. Like your $20 ticket will get you every. We're going to come hang out. We're excited to meet all of you. Wait. Like so you don't have to buy a special ticket to do any kind of like meeting or anything. We're just going to come hang out with you. Yeah.

So get ready because we're going to be all ready to chill to the extreme. And we want to say a big thank you to Liz Moniz. The biggest thank you. Liz Moniz. Because Liz is the one who reached out, set this whole thing up for us. She's been a huge help. She's a comedian herself. So go check her out.

Liz Moniz because she's hilarious. I've already looked at some of her stuff. And we just love her because she's been a huge help with this whole thing. She really has. The tickets are on sale on a video. Event Bright and you can find the event that way or you can click the link in our bio. But we'll be repeating this like, you know, in the next couple weeks just so everybody knows where to go. But go check those out.

Yay. Woo. On a like less happy note, guys, I wanted to thank you so much for all your messages. Hi, this is Ash because some people can't tell who's talking. I posted on the morbid Instagram that I decided to make my own Instagram account, my personal one, private. Unfortunately, I had a negative experience, like a guy just kind of crossed the line, made me feel really uncomfortable. And just it was like not cool. It was like a breach of privacy.

Yeah. So I just feel like it's better that I keep my personal account as much as I love you guys so much. I just want to interact with you on the morbid page instead. So I love you guys. So and thank you to everybody because literally 99.99.99% of you are so respectful, so amazing. So awesome. Never cross any kind of line of anything. No, I've, like literally nine out of ten people have never made me feel uncomfortable. No.

This one jerkhead that kind of ruined it for everybody. He really crossed the line, so it just kind of took it into like, all right. Well, that was that. So I don't need to deal with that anymore. But I don't want you guys to think that I'm like, well, now I don't want to talk to any of them. Oh, no. Because I love you all with my whole Black Soul. Oh, yeah.

And we're going to interact as much as we did before. Ash just wanted to make her personal. page personal, which is smart. Yeah. So, yeah, so thanks to everybody who reached out and was like, I hope you're okay. I know. Thank you so much. Are beautiful and we love our little morbid weirdo family. You guys are the best. You made us feel all snuggly and warm after that like creepy experience. So we really appreciate it. Yeah, I really, really did. So I think we can just jump into the case this week because it's a long one. Butchika. Buttoke. I want to shout out my main source for this because,

it's a great source and it's been blowing my brain apart. So it is the book Confessions of a Serial Killer and it's by Catherine Ramsland. And Catherine Ramsland, you would probably know who she is if you saw her and heard her. If you've watched any kind of crime, true crime, anything. Is she like the commentary? She's always one of those people. She's a professor of forensic psychology at the Sales University. She's also teaches criminal justice.

she is on like again ton of those true crime TV shows and she also assisted former FBI profiler John Douglas on his book The Cases That Haunt Us So she's a badass And she's done about a zillion more things So I'm actually thinking

I'm going to just give you guys Her background on our Instagram Because she's just awesome And this book is really crazy This book in particular Has a lot of BTKs actual like he him talking because they exchanged a lot of letters and she wrote this book based on their letters and included tons of his actual first-hand accounts so a lot of this stuff is going to

be directly from Dennis Raider's mouth which is fucking wild so Dennis Lynn Rader Lynn yeah Lynn you know murdered 10 people in Wichita Kansas between January 15th 1974 and January 19th, 1991. Okay. So he's terrible. And we're going to start out with... So what I'm going to do here is I'm going to give you his... Technically his first, quote, murder, but actually murders.

Okay. Because it's his first foray into murdering, but he killed four people at once. Really starting off with, like, a lot. He's really starting off with a bang. That's fucked up. So we're going to go through this first murder. scenario. And then we're going to go back to his childhood, talk about what, you know, start that there. If he has a head injury or whatever. Yeah. In part two, we'll start going into the rest of

the murders. Okay, cool. So today will be, you know, background, all that good stuff, but we're going to start with the actual murder. So you know what we're working with here. I love that. You were like telling the listeners, but I was like, okay, cool. You're like, oh, okay, cool. I'm like, thank you for letting me now. I'm along for this ride. Even though we already play this out. I'm like, all right, yep, sounds good. I'm in. I'm strapped in. So. Dennis Rader arrived at 803 North Edgemore Street in Wichita, Kansas, at approximately 8.20 a.m. on January 15th, 1974. AM?

Yes. He did this in the morning. That's like my mid-morning. He does a lot of this shit, like broad daylight. Oh, that really fucks with my mind. And the reason I'm starting with this, like, and then we're going backwards, is because I just want you to get an idea of who this dude is, because since a lot of people said,

I don't know a lot about him, I want you to know who he is right off the bat. Let's do it. So this was the home of the Otero family. He had watched this family for weeks. Oh. He had learned their routines in the layout of their home. And what had initially drawn him to this family was he saw Mrs. Otero,

the mother. And he thought she was cute. He became infatuated with her. Oh. And he immediately... Because BTK has... this whole thing where he's like first I troll then I prowl or I prowl then I troll then I stalk then I plan like he's just he's a turd like you're really important he was he was trolling and that's when

he saw her and then he decided to stalk her and then he decided a plan that's his whole thing okay now back to the case yay so this was meant to be his first murder and it would end up being four murders from one family. Okay. At one time. At 8 o'clock a.m. Yes. Essentially.

Yeah. So the father is Joseph Otero. He was 38 years old. The mother is Julie Otero. She was 33. They were both home this day. Joseph would normally be working, which threw Dennis off.

He thought Joseph was going to be out of the house. Right. Normally he would go to work. But he was home because he had hurt his ribs in a car accident, like, recently. And so he was home, like, mending his ribs. Two of their children, Joseph Otero Jr., who was nine years old. Uh-huh.

And Josephine Otero, who was 11 years old, was home at this time as well. Okay. They have a couple of older kids, but they had already gone to school. These two kids were not off at school yet. Oh, God. So when Dennis arrived, he jumped the fence. I'm calling him Dennis because he loves being called BTK so much that I'm not. I'm going to call him fucking Dennis.

Yeah. I'm not calling him BTK. Yeah, you're stupid. Because he's such a turd. So Dennis jumped the fence in their backyard. He immediately cut the phone wires with a knife. And he was wearing his Air Force parka because he was in the military previously. Uh-huh.

And he thought it would give them a false sense of security seeing an Air Force parka. Right. And he was planning to go in there, tell the family that he was an escaped criminal and just needed money. And he figured that that's when he could get the market. to chill, come, just be like, take money, take whatever you need, and then he would do his thing. Wow, that's even more fucked up. It really is. To like, just make them be like, oh, okay, we're going to be fine.

Oh, cool. We're just going to be robbed. Like, and then kill them. So he said when he got in the backyard, he all of a sudden saw dog prints in the snow. And he said he hesitated because he had not planned for a dog. Right. So he said he actually almost backed out of the entire thing, which gives my heart such. I want to throw up for this family.

Because for a moment he was thinking of backing out. And it's like, ugh, I wish you had just done it. Yeah, exactly. But he went ahead anyways. In his words, quote, I had my cords with me and some were already pre-knotted. I had a gun, a 22 L.R. Woodsman auto target pistol. That means nothing to me.

Me either. But he had even gone to the library before this and he had got their telephone number and he had called the house several times before this because he wanted to hear the female pick up. Why? And then he would just tell them it was the wrong number because one, he was making sure that that female was in the house

and that he had the right thing. And then two, what we're going to learn about Dennis is that he gets off on so many things. Like he just needs, it's like... So him hearing the female voice pick up and knowing what he wants. wanted to do to her, like, got him all excited. Gross.

Like, everything gets this dude all, like, jiggly-wiggly. Like, he's real gross. Gigily wiggly. He's real gross. He's jello. He's flon. He is flon. He is flan.

I fucking hate flan. So in his words again, quote, gun in hand. I went in. All except Mr. Otero were present. He came from the bedroom at the sound of his wife's voice. Mr. Otero thought it was a joke, put up by his brother-in-law. He also noticed my Air Force parka. I quickly grabbed him by the back collar. I showed him the gun and told him it was a 22 LR with hollow points and a hair trigger. He knew it was no joke.

To ease the tension, there was some friendly talk about the Air Force years, tech school, etc. What? Yeah. So he just like talks to this dude like, oh, let's talk about the Air Force for a second. Like gross. I'd be like, I don't really want to. I told them I needed money and food and was wanted by police. I was AWOL from the Air Force. I located the car keys, the purse, and his wallet. They told me the car was empty on gas. I guess they didn't have very much money. Mr. Otero said I could take the typewriter from the southwest bedroom and hawk it for gas money and just to leave them alone. Which is like, can you even fathom this scenario right now? No. Like 8.30 in the morning and this dude just like barges in your house, there was no panic yet. After I got in the house, I lost control of it. I

basically panicked. The dog was a real problem, so I asked Mr. Otero to get the dog out. It was a short-haired dog that didn't like the cold, so they first put him in a bedroom or basement, but it carried on so it finally had to go outside. Which first of all, it's like, you shitbag. There's a short-haired dog in here. It's in the middle of the winter. You know it's cold, and you're like, get it outside. Well, he didn't like dogs. Like you're dick, right? No, he did like dogs. Oh, he did like dogs? He doesn't like cats, as we will find out later. Oh, okay. I held on to Mr. Otero's collar and watched Mrs. Otero closely, threatening them all if they didn't cooperate. Mr. Otero told the family to be calm and do as I said.

So poor Mr. Otero's just being like, guys, like, calm down, just do what he says. Everything's going to be fine. Oh, this poor guy. Yeah. Now, his whole thing, Dennis Rader, and I'll read a quote in a little while about it from him, is he said the thing he loved to do was make people believe that they were out of harm's way that he was not going to hurt them

and then he said because then they will submit to you and he said and I loved the feeling of them not having any idea that this is all going to end. Right. Which is so fucked. Which is what he's doing here. I'm not going to hurt you. Just give me money in this and everything's going to be fine.

Now initially he bound them with a role of first aid tape that he brought with them but they all started saying that it hurt and their hands were numb. So this bumbling idiot changed them all out to white clothes, clothing line, cord. What? And you'll, like, see this when we talk about in part two other murders that he does. He, like, weirdly takes into consideration people's comfort sometimes. That's weird.

Which, again, I think is part of his whole thing of, like, making them feel like he gives a shit or has empathy or has some kind of weird, huge. human quality to him. It's like, it's so bizarre to me because he makes people have this false sense of who he is. So once he did the white clothes, clothesline cord,

because the tape was bothering them, they were still complaining and he was loosening and retightening their bindings like over and over again. And they're like, you're kind of bad at this. Like, he was just being like a general dumbass. Like he was so bumbling. And I'm not saying this is funny in any way.

because it is absolutely not. No matter what, I'm sure they did not find any of this, you know, anything but wholly terrifying. I'm just saying he's so bad at everything. Right. Like, he's just bad.

Right. And it's like, and what are you doing, dude? Like, he wasn't even doing this to prolong their terror. He was just stupid. Like, he was just bumbling.

So I'm like, stop. And then he says, quote, this is even weirder. He says, quote, I tried to make Mr. Otero as comfortable as I could. Apparently, he had a cracked rib from a car accident. So I put a pillow down for his head and a parka or a coat underneath him. But, dude, like, I just, like, your ultimate end game is to kill this whole family.

Why are you making them comfortable in the process? But he's like, let me just make this guy comfortable because he has a cracked rib. Like, what? But I'm still going to kill him later. Exactly. That doesn't, I don't understand. doesn't make any sense. And this is when he was like, well, I guess I'll just gag them all with socks and t-shirts and pillowcases. That's not comfortable. Yeah. Now that I've made them all comfortable,

let me just gag them all. First of all, before I go into this, quick little warning, this is pretty rough. There are kids involved just as a warning, guys. Yeah. But don't worry, it's all being told. So I'm going to, I'm telling you it in his, in his own words. So it's, So it's going to be rough and pretty graphic. Quote, I think I wrapped the rope around Mr. Otero's neck. I had never strangled before, didn't realize how long it took, and the victim was fighting. Then I strangled Mrs. Otero. Once she quit moving, I let pressure up.

Next was Josephine. She asked, what's going on? I told her I had put her parents to sleep in your next. Jesus. I strangled her until she quit moving. By that time Joseph Jr. was up and crying, and Mr. Otero was waking up. I decided to use the plastic bags. I then proceeded to Joseph Jr. and placed a bag over his head.

By then, Mrs. Otero was awake. She realized the fatal threat to her and her family, as Joseph struggled. She pleaded with me to stop. So quick little cut, this poor woman is watching her nine-year-olds be suffocated. Suffocated by a bag. I just want to put that like, that is like. making my heart literally leak out of my nose. Yeah.

Mrs. Otero is getting hysterical and making a lot of noise. I about decided to leave. He almost... Again. Left. Those are the parts that just like, oh, it just like hurts because I'm like leave. Because maybe he also could have got caught faster if he had left. And at this point, everyone's still alive.

Right. He had only strangled everyone because he doesn't know how to do fucking anything. Right. So he had only strangled. We strangled everybody into unconsciousness. Right. That's what kills me about this. I about decided to leave, but since I had already crossed the, quote, death path, I strangled her with a clove hitch.

Before I applied pressure, she said, may God have mercy on your soul. Wow. I covered her face with a flower print pillowcase. I found a belt and applied to Mr. Otero's neck over the bag. He quit moving. Oh. Mr. Otero, once he put the bag on his head, while he was off trying to strangle everybody else, Mr. Otero was starting to bite through the bag when he woke up to try to get out of there.

So now he said he realized that biting holes in the bags was going to be an issue. He had not accounted for this before. So he took a T-shirt and another bag. He picked up Little Joseph Jr. He brought him to a bed and covered his head with the shirt and then the bag and then he tied it. He said he struggled, fell off the bed, and then stopped moving. Now, he did say that in many reports, and I have read this and heard this as well, so hearing him dispute, this is interesting.

When they went to this crime scene, they found a chair sitting in the room where Joseph Jr. was strangled to death in. Yeah. And what they surmised from this was that he had sat in the chair and watched this kid strangle to death. Dennis claims that was not the case. He said, I would admit it if it was. he said what had happened was he said I think I used that chair to like

subdue him for a second while I was doing something else he said I didn't sit in a chair and watch him do that so good on you Dennis yeah like you still killed an entire family exactly but you're not bad enough to like watch it honestly I don't think he did sit and watch it happen because I think he was so fucking bumbling and crazy like he was crazy like he wasn't able to like

sit down and show out I don't think this was like he was taking moments to like savor things I think he didn't know what the fuck he was and was just, he was just like winging it. Right. As aside, he also said, quote, many people think I tortured the Yoteros and killed them in a sadistic way by reviving them. In which that's another thing I've read that he revived, he kept reviving them and then strangling them.

Jesus. But he says, but the multiple strangle marks were there because I hadn't learned how to strangle quickly. The bags helped to kill faster. but I had used the bags in self-bondage and knew the helpless feeling of no air and no way to get the bag off. I had strangled cats, but had never strangled anyone before.

So I really didn't know how much pressure you had to put on a person or how long it would take. Both their hands and their feet were tied up. So what he's saying is they saw these multiple marks. They saw that they had been revived and re-strangled and they were like, holy shit, he was literally like torturing them for hours.

Yeah. But what was happening again, the media made him out to be way more scary than what he actually is. Like as a killer, I mean. But in reality, he just didn't know what the fuck he was doing. So he was strangling them. They were going out. But then they were coming back multiple times. So he wasn't doing this for some like master plan that he's this like, you know, mastermind of I'm going to make this big torturous thing.

Like without intent. That's giving him way too much credit as a serial killer. It's like he's just a fucking idiot and he doesn't know what he's doing. That's all the, and he admits it. He's like, I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm doing. And you're telling me he used to put bags over his own head. Oh yeah, we'll get into that. I don't.

Don't you worry. I'm just like. This is Dennis. Wow. Dennis and Menace. This is really rough, this next part. Awesome. I want everyone to be aware of this.

We are going to talk about another death of another child, Josephine, who is 11. it's really awful and it involves him masturbating doing it so I just want everyone to be aware of what's coming next so was he like a child person too kind of I don't he's he doesn't make sense he doesn't make sense basically like I'm like I was saying before he strangled all of them and then they kept waking up and he just kept having to do it again because he sucks at everything So now everyone was gone except Josephine. He had killed everyone else. So Josephine is the only one that's alive, but she's out cold.

He had strangled her into unconsciousness. He said this is where his quote, dark sadistic self quote, came out to play. Like you weren't already there? And I'm like, yo, you literally just suffocated a nine-year-old. Right. You came to play already. You're there. Yeah, you arrived.

He's there. So I'm going to do this one in his words because I don't even know how to put this in other words. So, quote, I wanted to hang her talking about Josephine. I had made a rope noose prior, a rough hemp rope, and by chance had put four loops in the noose. Which is really fucked. That is really fucked. With hanging in mind, I searched the house, found the basement sewer pipe, and attached the hangman's rope to it. I then returned to her.

She was awake, but lethargic. I picked her up and carried her to the basement rec room. She was not crying or protesting or fighting me. I removed her pants, pulled her panties down, either cut or tore her bra open, exposing her breasts, then pulled her knit shirt back down, retied her ankles and knees, and attached the rope to her wrist.

I asked her if her parents had a camera. as I wanted a picture of her bound. Ew, oh my God, gross. She said no, so I moved her onto the floor below the hangman's noose. I told her she would go to sleep and be in heaven with her folks and brother. What the fuck? Her eyes showed shock. I applied the noose and lifted her up and tighten the rope or tied it off.

I was overwhelmed with excitement. I touched her and masturbated. Ew, ew, ew, ew, ew. The act of hanging alone is bad. and the media played this up big with her toes only a few inches off the floor. It just happened this way that she ended up like that. It wasn't planned to look that way. Remember when we did pallet cleansers?

Yeah, we could use one right there. So, yeah, so that's a terrible one. How old was she? She was 11. These are the only children he killed, these two. There are children involved in other murders, like children that were home when other ones happened. So it's not, this won't be the end of that terrible stuff. But he doesn't kill another child after this.

But those ones are really rough, especially Josephine. You don't say. He then cleaned the home. He took a watch of Mr. Oteros and a transistor radio, which he said he wore the watch for a while. And then ended up throwing it in a lake somewhere. He drank water from a glass in their house and then cleaned it, which is something he... That was really fucking stupid. Well, it's something he liked to do because he said it gave him like, ooh, I could get in trouble for that.

You know what I mean? Like, it's his little secret, like, bullshit. Yeah. It's really just him being a stupid dumbass. He turned up the thermostat to fuck with the time of death because he read it in a book. Does that work? Kind of, yeah. But like, fuck him.

And he took the family car. That was kind of stupid, too. Well, he ended up parking it in the Dillon's in a Dillon's lot and leaving it there. And then he realized, ready for Dennis to come back. Oh, God. I know BTCA just committed that, but are you ready for Dennis? So then he realizes he was missing the knife he brought with him. And he realized he left it there.

At the house or the car? At the house. So instead of walking back there, like trying to be like covert and shit. Did he drive their car back? Because remember. It's broad-ass daylight. Yeah, it's the morning. Mid-afternoon at this point or something.

He drove his own Chevy Impala back to the house in broad daylight and went looking for it around the house. Where did he park? He just parked in their garage. He just pulled right into their driveway. It's like a neighborhood. Dude. Yeah. He found the knife in the backyard.

He had left it on the ground after cutting the phone wires. Wow. Fucking dumb ass. Dumb ass. Like you haven't even, you don't even. You don't even have a reason to be distracted yet. No. You haven't even like encountered a human yet.

Like you're just that stupid. Wow. I mean, I'm glad that he's that stupid. Well, and speaking of us stupid he is, let me just start this off. Because now we're going to go back. We're going to talk about his childhood. So you can see what kind of... Is he a dumb kid too?

Pretty much. But I'm just going to give you a couple of reasons that BTK is the biggest fucking loser to ever exist. Give me up. Number one. And this is the... This is one. that will shock you to your core just because of how stupid he is. Really?

He made up his own nickname. No, wait, really? No one gave him that nickname. He gave it to himself. And people were like, yeah, let's go with that. Yeah. So what happens is he takes a long hiatus from serial killing after his last murder.

It is unheard of. He is a very unbelievably rare case. And he came back after all that time because he suddenly was like, I want attention because he's a little attention-seeking bitch. And so he started fucking with the police and the media. He was sending like, you know, random coded letters and he was leaving Barbie dolls bound to like cereal boxes on the side of the road. Like he started pulling all this shit trying to get everybody.

You have far too much time on your hands. And literally it was just because he wanted everyone talking about it. Right. And he was saying he was like ready to start again. So now poor Wichita, Kansas is like, what the fuck? Like this dude died. Yeah. Like people probably thought he was long gone.

Who knows? So when he reappeared at this time and started trying to get that attention again, he said, Hey, it's me, BTK. Oh, you like that? It stands for bind them, torture them, kill them. And like, that's what I do. Wow. Like he was literally like, hey guys.

So this is what I do. My new nickname. My name's BTK now. I'm a big scary guy. Like my name is BTK. call me that please please please please and then it gets better because also he wasn't even confident enough to just land on that name and be like call me that bitches he was then like but if you don't like that name here are some other options no i am not lying and like choose your own adventure literally do you want to know the the options that he came up with actually do uh the b tk strangler which is stupid because it's like buying torture kill strangler. It's like redundant.

It has an air of redundancy to it that I just don't like. The Wichita Strangler. The poetic strangler. No. No. BTK had a Tumblr, I bet. Oh, and you'll see why he wanted to be called the poetic strangler in a little bit. The Bondage Strangler or the Bondage Psycho,

which is so hilarious that I really wish they had landed on that one, just so he went down in history as the. fucking bondage psycho. Like I want that is really funny. The Bondage Psycho. The Wichita Hangman, which admittedly is kind of cool. I can, like that one, I can. Did he only, did he hang multiple people?

Not really, but it's still like. But that one's scary. Scary, but doesn't work. It doesn't apply. No, it doesn't really apply. The Wichita executioner, stupid. Yeah. Like, goodbye.

And my personal favorite. No, no, no, no. Wait, no. The first before, I'll end up my personal favorite. The next one was the asphyxator, which is just hard to say. And like, that just, like, no. And that just sounds, I don't even, that sounds like a pest control thing. Yeah, it does.

I don't even know. And then my personal favorite. Tell me. Hit me with it. The Grot Phantom. No. No. No.

That's quite possibly the stupidest sentence I've ever typed in my life. The Grot. The garot phantom. You are not a phantom, sir. The garot phantom. I think I like the poetic. And they were like, we'll choose BTK. I wish they had gone with poetic strangler.

And what's even better about this is not only did he do that, but then he acted like the name was bestowed upon him. Why would be sad? Like he acted like he was like the night stalker or something like that. They gave it to him. Like he was crowned with the name. He literally told the Harold son, quote, I embraced it. I had a label on me. I was like the Green River Killer or Son of Sam.

But they didn't name themselves, you moron. Like, no, it wasn't, you dumb cockroach. Like, you did it. You gave yourself the nickname. Their names were, like, those people, the son of Sam, Green River Killer, they were dumb as fuck too. But at least their names were given to them by the media. his was like in Jawbreaker how that chick nicknamed herself Foxy. Yeah, that's like no one else gave her that nickname.

She just called herself Foxy. Or it's like high school kids picking their own yearbook superlatives. Like of course they would pick like most hot person or like most likely to own their own island. Right. This is the loser in school picking their own fucking superlatives. That's what this is. Wow, it really is. That's a very good thing.

It really is. What would you have picked for your superlative? Oh, I don't even know. Oh. I'd pick most likely to succeed. Most likely to host a true crime podcast. That's far too obvious. And in reality, his superlative should have probably been like most likely to jack off to pictures of himself, bound in ropes and wearing old ladies bras while lying in a hole in the ground.

He did that? Yep. He jacked off to himself? Yep. That's a whole different kind of level of fucked up. And don't you worry, we'll get into that later. So is he like a narcissist? Uh, yep.

He's a huge narcissist. And, uh, he's just got a lot going on. There's a lot going on. There's a lot to unpack. His poor wife. Yeah. Poor Paula. I feel bad for Paula.

And his daughter. His daughter, Carrie, who just wrote a book. It's like, damn. All right. Tell me more. So the second reason that he's the biggest loser to ever. exist is he admired and tried to emulate other serial killers like a starstruck little bitch. He lacks even one single creative cell in his entire body.

He didn't come up with any of his own shit. It's just regurgitated aspects of other infamous killers and their crimes that we're going to discuss throughout. But he was such a fraud. Like everything he did, he was like, well, Ted Bundy did this. So I decided that I think I should do this. Like, you're a fucking fraud. Get out of here.

A vision of like mean girls and she's like, you can't sit with us. Yeah, you can't. But like I picture like Ted Bundy screaming that while sitting next to like Ed Kemper and the Green River Killer instead of Sam and and BTCA walks up and he's like, hey, yes, can I see with you? You can't sit with us. Because Ted Bundy used to flip out all the time. He would. He would. That was brilliant.

That 100% would happen. My mind is a cinematic piece of amazingness. You know what? When he finally kicks the bucket, that's going to happen. in hell. Wait. Guys, I love you so much. Can somebody draw that for us? Oh my God. I will award you with Oh my God, yes. Endless love. All the love. Just endless love. Yeah, because that is I need to see that with my eyeballs. Like one of the things, so he loved a lot of murderers and we'll talk about many of the ones that he was really like inspired by. He really thought he was going to be like H.H. Holmes.

Like, was he going to build a hotel? Well, instead of a murder castle, he was planning a murder barn. A murder barn. Are you kidding me? That is legitimately the off-brand version of a murder castle. Like, it's the Mr. Pib of murder castles. It's the hydrox of murder castles. I'm trying to come up with a joke and I've got nothing.

He is the knockoff of, like, a murder barn he was going to have a murder and straight up red ass murder barn that was his fantasy I don't have I don't have anything I'm stand like my jaw dropped

yeah I mean the murder yeah barn a murder barn wow and he used this is this is the next reason he used terms like factor X and the black

hat to describe his like gross ass dark side. Like he was like, like his alter ego. Like whenever something would come out, he was like, that's factor X. Like factor like that factor X. Like fuck off dude. What? Like what? What?

Like what a fucking turd? I just can't with this dude. I feel like he has like a really nerdy voice. Like he's so, he's such a loser. I just can't. I can't. He also calls the orgasms that he would have when killing people. No, no. Ready? No. No. No. Are you ready? Sparky big time.

Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I'm not kidding. Sparky big. Sparky big time. Wow. Guys, do you see why I fucking hate this? Spirky big time. So he said I sparky big time? Yeah, like he was like, oops, that that caused sparky big time. I want.

And then there's also the fact that he has orgasms while killing people. That also makes him a big fucking loser. There's that. He also literally said, quote, I was the world's world's worst speller, yet I feel I'm fairly smart and certainly have good common sense and self-control. You think you have self-control. Like, I'm sorry, sir, what? And common sense because it doesn't seem like you have that. Like what?

And he genuinely believes that. I have good self-control. You drove your own car back to a murder scene. Like, you have nothing of the sort, Mr. Sparky, big time. Mr. Dennis Lynn, you do not have any of that. You live in a fool's paradise. There's also, like I mentioned earlier, and we will get much more into.

later. There's also the fact that he took pictures of himself dressed in bras and various negliges while bound or in other torturous and odd positions to jack off to later. That is just truly weird as fuck to me. There's that. I know there's a lot of weird things to get off to in the world, but yourself is, that's top of the list. Yeah, it really is. And then the last thing that I think makes him like the biggest loser to ever exist on planet Earth is that he wrote this poem when he broke into a one.

woman's house once. At the house. No, he did it later because she wasn't there. He, like, sat around and waited for her and she never showed up, so he just left. That's terrifying. And he decided to write a poem about it later. Read it to me. Do you want to hear that poem?

Oh, I do. More than anything. It's called, oh, Anna. Why didn't you appear? Shut the fuck up. Yeah, he's like, he's just jumping right in. He's just letting you know exactly what this is about. Just, oh, Anna, why didn't you appear?

It was the perfect plan of deviant pleasure, so bold on that spring night. My inner feeling hot with propension of the new awakening season. Warm, wet with inner fear and rapture, my pleasure of entanglement, like new vines at night. Oh, Anna, why didn't you appear? Drop of fear, fresh spring rain would roll down from your nakedness to scent to lofty fever that burns within. I don't understand. In that small world of longing, fear, rapture. and desperation the game we play fall on devil ears. Fantasy spring forth mounts to storm, fury.

Oh, Anna, why didn't you appear? Alone now in another time span, I lay with sweet enrapture garments across most private thought. Bed of spring, moist grass, clean before the sun, enslaved with control, warm winds scenting the air, sunlight, sparkle tears, and eyes. so deep and clear. Alone again, I trod in past memory of mirrors and ponder why for number eight was not.

Oh, Anna, why didn't you appear? That was a poetry slam if I've ever been to one, which I haven't. I don't have a lot to say about that. I feel like I was just in a creative writing class and the professor and the professor read that to me and that's like the reason I dropped out of college.

It's just, he's so excruciatingly pathetic that, like, he's, you know that friend who reads a book about some inane subject and immediately is an expert? It won't stop fucking inserting their stupid, no-it-all regurgitation from that one book. Or, like,

people that travel abroad and they're like, well, in Spain. Exactly. And they do it like every day. They're like, oh my god, it's 1117. Exactly. In American time, but not elsewhere. Exactly. That's how when Dennis describes a scene, he will reference

something from another serial killer like they're all bros. He's literally like, oh yeah, so I did it this way like Bundy did like ever heard of him like Ted Bunny he said that. No, but like he says shit like that. Like we said earlier you would not be allowed at their lunch table

and their lunch table is already the loser fucking table at lunch so what the fuck does that make you Dennis? It's like in mean girls when Damien puts the pastrami on his face yeah he's like except that's way cooler than bunch of serial killers.

Yeah. So I think we should now talk about Dennis Lynn Raider's upbringing. What the fuck happened? I, it, nothing? It's a very, it's odd, man. It's all odd. Did he have a mom and a dad? He did.

So Dennis Lynn Raider was born on March 9th, 1945 in the small Southeast Kansas town of Columbus. Okay. He was a shy kid. for most of his life, and he said he really didn't come out of his shell until he was like 20 years old. Okay. His mom, Dorothea May Cook, Raider, was 20 years old when she had him. What's that called?

Yeah, when she got pregnant. When she got pregnant with Dennis. By his own words, she was attractive. She was a high school cheerleader and majorette, but she was also very skilled in math and bookkeeping, something Dennis says he thinks he got from her later in life because he liked to fuck with numbers himself and was really good at math. He claims he loved his mother, but was like kind of whatever about,

like weird about their relationship. He goes like back and forth. He'll be like, yeah, like I loved my mom, but like she could be a shithead sometimes. Like it's very weird. Yeah, but like everybody's mom could be a shit sometimes. And he said she liked the same things that he did

like scary books and movies and they would like share these things together. And she was very shy like him. But he also said that their relationship was kind of strained, which we'll get into. He also kind of attributes his bondage fantasy to her in a way that we will cover in a bit, too. I don't want to cover that. Yeah.

His dad, William Elvin Rader was 23 years old. He was a Marine, and Dennis thinks he got a lot of his organizational preparatory and, like, mechanical skills from him. Okay. His dad was outgoing and social. His dad and his mom met as high school sweethearts. They married in 1943 when Dorothea was still a senior in her.