Morbid - Golden State Killer

Episode Date: May 1, 2018

Alaina is an autopsy technician with a passion for science, true crime and all things creepy. Ashleigh is a hair stylist who may look glamorous on the outside, but houses spooky core. Now that this bad Larry has been identified, it seemed like a perfect debut episode. Come take a look through the crimes and capture of Joseph James DeAngelo AKA The Golden State Killer, The East Area Rapist, The Diamond Knot Killer and The Original Nightstalker. He may have began his reign of terror way back in 1976 but he was able to continue it for four decades before pesky familial DNA was able to take him down. Isn't science great? Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

I'm not to kill you. Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. All right. So, we were originally going to debut our first episode with the big guy, Edmund Kemper, the co-ed killer. But we didn't.

But we did not. We have pivoted, as they say, in the biz. We did a one flippenny. We pivoted because some big. big news happened and I'm sure all of you, some of you, maybe none of you heard about it. If none of you heard about it, turn this off. Exactly, you don't belong here. Just kidding.

You all belong here. We accept you all. So basically what happens is they caught the Golden State Kill. Have a name. It is Joseph James DeAngelo. That asshole. Who's super creepy, nightmarish voice you heard at the very beginning of this podcast is now behind bars. Yeah, the sh.

So we figured with this huge true crime news, we couldn't just let the first episode go. We had to talk about it. That would be dumb. And we are not dumb, y'all. And then everyone turned the podcast off. Stay with us, please stay with us. I promise, we get better. We grow on you, I swear.

Yeah. basically we're going to start I say basically a lot yeah it's okay we're gonna have to work on that we'll work on it we'll work on it we'll work on it we'll work in progress they will for sure the three people listening to this will call me all of our listener so we're going to start with talking about he he this guy did a lot so many things he did all the things he was known as a lot of things too so he was he was known as the golden state killer the original night stalker that's my favorite I don't know why I like it because I feel like Richard Ramirez needed a better name.

Yeah. Because sure, he was the Nightstocker, but this guy was the original Nightstocker. My favorite, actually my least favorite, but like my favorite in a funny way is the Diamond Not Killer. That one just sounds dumb. And fancy. It actually sounds wicked fancy. Like I feel like he should be wearing a monocle. I'm like a bow tie.

Perhaps a top hat. He's just like tap dancing up to the murder scene. And that, he did not do that. No. I can. I can confirm that he did not do that. Like tap dancing. At least no one saw him do that.

It's not reported that he was a tap dancer. That would either be really scary. He probably fucking would because he was all about the terror. He was. He was all about the terror. That's one thing because he was also known as the East Area rapist. Yeah, yeah. Because the whole first part of his reign of terror here was focused mostly on rapes, of which he committed at least 45.

No one. we know of at least 45 that were reported so then he dude's a bad guy some murders up in there he's also going to be known for at least 12 murders and what is it 150 or over 150 burglaries i mean this guy was a d bag you have the highest order yeah he was busy he was real busy so how they caught him is actually pretty interesting he left a ton of DNA everywhere he went. But at the time, DNA was not a thing, so it didn't really help. No one had DNA back now. No one, there was no DNA. None of us had DNA. Nobody. Early man did not have DNA. Nope. Zero. We got it later. It's like a millennial thing.

Yeah, for sure. So they had this DNA on file. It was just sitting there doing nothing. And after a while, he didn't have anything to compare it to. What they ended up doing was they looked at a genealogy site, which was confirmed not to be 20, 23 and me or Ancestry.com because they've already said that they don't, they don't do this kind of thing. They don't release DNA just for anybody. And I believe it was one of the sites that you basically, when you sign up, you say that it's okay that your DNA is going to be open to the public. And it wasn't his DNA. It was familial DNA, which is.

So his family. So Thanksgiving would have been weird this year had he not been caught. And so it's a pretty good match. So this is like, this is perfect what you want. Like, familial DNA is great to go off of. And what they were able to do was take that DNA, and they were able to compare it against a sample that they collected in public domain. So, like, a cigarette that he threw out or, like, a drink.

They might have gone through his trash. Oh, yeah. They could have done any of that. Like, anything he's discarded that he put DNA on in public, that's free reign. Yeah. So it means they must have been watching him at some point or staking him out. Right. Because I know they did surveillance on him for a little while. Oh, wow.

And they waited for him to discard something to grab. At least that's what I heard. So. You know, just around. I mean, genealogy sites, man. Don't go on them now. Don't go on them or definitely go on them. I don't know what to tell you.

Just like, do whatever. 23 and me and Ancestry.com are apparently like lock solid, so you're good. You don't have to worry about somebody taking your DNA. It's not like Facebook. This worked out for the best stuff. It's not like Facebook. We're coming for you, Zuckerberg. Full soon.

So, um, Joseph James DeAngelo's reign of terror began way back in 1976. A long time ago. A whole long time ago. Before I was born, which means it was like a billion years ago. Because I am 104. Because you're older than me. I'm older than dirt.

I like 104 years. Exactly. And, um, basically you see. started out his career focusing on young women and teenagers. And when I say teenagers, I mean as young as 13. Which is so spooky. When you were a baby, a child that you know nothing of the horrors of this world. So he started out basically going after people who are alone in their homes. And his MO was to stake these people out for weeks before. Yeah, weeks. He would know there every He would know when they were home, when they weren't home.

He would actually... Thinks about their family? Yeah. And, like, their neighbors and stuff. Yeah. He just started gathering information. This guy was, like, super into his craft. And...

Yikes. He wouldn't just stake them out. He would break into their homes. So he would find a way in. He would find the best way in. Yeah, like, he would remove screens, unlock windows. Yep. And leave them that way.

Your fucking garage door was broken. Yep. And he would, like, leave it so that he could get back in. Terrorist. And he would, and he'd go in there. He'd learn, like, the layout of your house. He'd see where all your rooms are.

He'd see if you had a dog. He'd see where light switches are. You know, he would sometimes leave tools and weapons places so that he could get them quicker when he came back, which is horrifying. He left because he loved to use shoe laces to bind people. And one of the things I'm pretty sure he took special note of is the kitchen. He loved the kitchen. He really loved the kitchen.

We will get to that. We will definitely mention that at some point because this guy... Yeah, he had a very weird relationship with food, which I would love to explore. He had a very weird relationship with just about everything. Yeah, he just had, he had some stuff going on. He has a weird existence. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see if he talks.

But his whole deal was he would break into the house in the middle of the night, like in the middle of your REM cycle. He was busted in. Really disturbing you. Yeah, like right in the middle. So you were already disoriented. He's wearing a ski mask. Sometimes no pants.

A lot of times no pants. Like he would just come in already pantsless. Which is, I hate to say it, but like smart. Because he wouldn't have to put his pants back on and leave really fast. If something happened, you could just run right the fuck out of there. It's like evil efficiency. Yes. I love that.

Evil efficiency. That's horrible. But that's a funny thing to say. That might be a good band name too. Wow. Called it. Evil efficiency. It should be like a metal band. No, it should be like a super like Katie Perry kind of deal.

Or like an indie band, like something super chill. Yeah. Evil efficiency. We're just chilling on the bench. I mean, I took it. So that's not free, guys. That's not free. That's mine. A lot of the times he would come right up to you in bed. He would flash a flashlight right in your face to wake you up, which already just orient you. Right. You can't see him. Exactly. And then he would speak to you through gridded teeth. Like clenched. Yeah, like he would clench his teeth. He would disguise his voice more like making it like higher. A lot of people described it as a fun voice. Yeah, like a cartoon kind of voice. Which is even scarier. I don't like that. That makes me feel some tip away. Can we talk about the first victim how she woke up? Because that, that's the worst. Yes. You think your alarm clock is bad. I have news for you. This is real bad. So the first victim,

was woken up by this guy in the middle of the night. Calling her by her name. Calling her by her name, which is already so disconcerning. And he was pantsless, standing in her doorway of her bedroom, tapping the doorframe with a knife while calling her name to wake up. No, thank you. Like what? Disinterested.

Nope, can't do it. And I feel like if I saw that in a horror movie, like most of the things he did. I'd be like, that was a lot. Maybe scale it back because I don't believe it. Come on. Let's be realistic here. Yeah. Like, just make me believe this. But it happened. That shit was real. Yeah. Like, he was a horror movie villain of the highest order. And now, he's not. Oh, actually, I think HBO is making a documentary series about it.

Oh, I'm sure there's going to be a lot now. I definitely think they're going to make some movies. Now that they've got them. I just want, I just want, crazy film. Yeah. And I want like a Dahmer, like, Kemper-style prison interview with him where he just like opens up. Because as we'll mention later, this guy, I think, loved his fame. And he liked having notoriety for what he was doing. But anyways.

But anyways, once he was in the people's houses, they got raped. And they got raped in many ways, several times. And while he was doing it, he would stop. He would, this is where his weird relationship with food comes in. He would literally tell them, I'm going to take a break. so I can go to the kitchen and cook some food and eat it. And then they would hear him, like moving around pots and pants because he fucking knew where that shit was. Yeah, he was already already.

Like, he knew where everything was. He knew what food they probably had in their house. But, like, it's really messed up. And then, like, I remember there was one instance where I think he broke into a house where there was a six-year-old. And this is when he later started attacking couples, which we'll get into later. But he had already assaulted the woman several times. had made himself a sandwich. And the six-year-old woke up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, saw a man

standing in the hallway eating a goddamn sandwich, looked at him like, what? Because she's six, and in the middle of night, you got to pee, you got to pee. She's looked at him, and he said, I'm playing a game with your parents. Do you want to help? And she was like, no thanks. And she looked at him and then went in the bathroom, peed and went back to bed, which good on her. And he didn't do anything to her.

But like, what? Like, what are you doing just standing eating a sandwich? Well, like, what is happening? I don't know. He did weird shit all the time. Like, another time, a lot of people said he used to, like, act like an addict. Oh, yeah, that one case where the girl's down was a doctor. There was a couple of times where he would, like, tell them, I need my fix and ask them for medicine.

Right. I asked him for pills or money because I need drugs. And they said that he, because it's like maybe he was an addict, but I don't think he was. I think he was just trying to throw off the cops. Like, they were looking for, like, a very specific suspect. Mm-hmm. and just confuse them. Yeah.

Exactly. And the victim said that it seemed like he was putting on an act. Like it wasn't a real. It was too much over the top. He was like over-dramatizing it. And there was one victim who was a teenager. And he knew that her father was a doctor and her parents were not home. I believe it was the one who her and her teenage sister were both tied up.

I think only one of them was technically assaulted, but I might be wrong about that. And he asked to the daughter, where are, where, where, Where are the doctor's pills? And she was like, I don't know. I don't know where they are. Eventually, he found them. He made a big production out of, like, shaking the pill bottles in the other room and, like, pretending he's taking them, turning on the water, and, like, I need my fix.

I need my fix shaking and all that. And then they later found the bag of pills soaking wet in the neighbor's garbage. It was so weird. So he was just bullshitting. And it's like, what? What? Why? It's almost like he got bored.

And he was just, like, adding things to make it more exciting. And it's super exciting for himself. Next level nightmare. Like next level. His mind, man. He was just, I don't even know what to say about him. He also sometimes would try to mimic the behavior of like what he thought was schizophrenia. Yeah.

Like I read a bunch of things where he would just like start like crying in the middle of it. Yep. But it wasn't like he was actually feeling any kind of remorse or emotion. I think it was just him trying to be theatrical. Exactly. I think he just liked. And who knows? Maybe he does have some like weird.

Because there was a lot of times, like you were saying, like, he would just talk about his mommy. Yeah, like, go cry in the corner and be like, Mommy hates that. Or, like, Mommy hates seeing this on the news. Yeah. It scares Mommy to see this in the news. Yep. Or he'd be like, I don't want to do this anymore, Mommy. Or there was one instance where the woman thought that he said, fuck you, mommy.

But then we found out, and I've actually found this in, like, a Reddit post that he was engaged to a woman named Mommy. Like B-O-N-N-I-E. Mm-hmm. So who knows if he was, like, having mommy issues or if he was having Bonnie issues. Which those are two very separate things. Yeah, you know. And one of the, the victim did say that she knows that he was saying Bonnie. Yeah.

At least one of them said it. Once a lot. What's bothering me a little bit is that they're, like, stringing this narrative now after this came out where it's like, oh, he was angry about Bonnie and Bonnie and him broke up. And I'm like, poor Bonnie. Yeah. Like, and it's not Bonnie's fault. Bonnie's going to get all the flack for this bullshit. Yeah.

I'm like, this is not Bonnie. Bonnie's deal. Like let Bonnie go. Who knows where Bonnie is if she's even alive. Bonnie is not going to come forward. Bonnie Jean is not his lover. Yeah, and you know. Nope. And you know what? I don't blame you, Bonnie. Like, don't make it Bonnie's business. Like, this is him being a creep. Like, damn.

It's always the woman's fault, man. Seriously. It's not about. Fight the patriarchy. But, uh, so, let's see. He like switches his MO at one point after the police are saying that he's targeting young women. they send out kind of like an alert like don't be alone in your home blah blah blah yada so he is very adaptable very like versatile switches to attacking couples and this is when you thought shit was real

already it gets it takes a turn for it even down a darker corner yeah it gets realer than you thought you thought it was real real so sit down yeah grab some water snack maybe snuggle a puppy yeah do do a comforting thing. Yeah. Because now that he switches to couples, things get real weird. Real weird. He breaks him. So he kind of keeps the same MO generally. Yeah, he breaks in, he's got the flash leave. You're disoriented. He has the ski mask on. He uses... He still breaks in

beforehand to know your house. One case, he unloaded a handgun that was in a bedside table. And, he, like, shown the flashlight on the couple's face and disoriented them that way. The husband turns over to open the bedside table and grab the gun. And then he flashes the flashlight onto his hand where he's holding the bullets that were once in that gun. I can't. That, and that's another thing that you're like, no, if that was in a horror movie, I'd be like, okay. Yeah, I'd be like, okay. Because you'd be like, that's really theatrical and no one's that theatrical. But he was. But he was. He was that fucking theatrical. So he breaks in disorienting.

you. Then he has the, he ties up the man, has the woman stack dishes on the man's back, takes the woman out of the room most of the time, I believe. Yeah, he always separated. Yeah, separated them. Said that, he went to the husband and said, if he heard a dish move, fall on the floor, I'm going to kill you or I'm going to kill her. I'm going to kill both of you. I'll kill anybody else in the house because sometimes there were children in these houses. Many times there was children, which is so sad. Um, and then he would proceed to rape the woman over the course of hours. A lot of women said that they thought he would be gone because it would have stopped for so long and then he would come right back again if like

she moved or made any kind of noise, anything like that. Yeah, so these poor people are just laying there tied up by shoe strings. They've been terrorized, assaulted, everything you can think of all night. And then he's never, he's always telling them I'm going to be back. I'm going to kill you if you move. And you're just laying there hoping. And the poor, the, the, the, man that was tied up. I mean, the situation you have to be in, you're sitting there, you're taking a gamble either way. You're taking a gamble to move and try to help your wife or partner.

Because that could even kill her. Because maybe he's telling the truth and he's going to kill you both or he's going to kill her. And it's like, or you lay there knowing she's in another room with this guy and having no idea what's happening to her. And you're just laying there. It's like, what an unimaginable position to be in. Yeah.

So the whole community is up in arms, not okay. not doing well, not sleeping at night. Which you can understand. They hold a Gilmore Girl-style town hall meeting. And this part is super, like, this, I get goosebumps when I think about this part. It really stresses me. So at the town hall meeting, this man stands up and he says, I don't know, I don't know how this is happening. How could a man be in the home with his wife and not do anything about it?

If this happened at me. I'd kill him. That's what he says. So then we take our car into another dark corner. Yeah. We're really driving around here. We're dragging you down and deep here. Yeah. Come with us. He, the killer, I just couldn't talk for a minute. The killer, Joseph James DiAngelo, was at the town hall meeting that night. That was an amazing sound. He was there and, you know, didn't stand up. I don't know if he put

name put in what his deal was there. He probably just hung out there. He was just listening, you know, and ended up, I must have followed that couple home. Yep. And that couple where the man had stood up and said, this would never happen, I would kill him. They were attacked, unfortunately that night. And unfortunately,

his wife was assaulted. Yes. Which is awful. Which, and it just shows the depth of this guy's. Awfulness and adaptability that this guy has. Like, it's insane. Because we now believe he was at the town hall meeting obviously because that happened.

And also, my favorite murder posted on their Instagram is a photo that appears to be him sitting in the crowd. And if you put it next to a photo of him at the time, like a Navy photo, which by the way, he was in the Navy, which kind of shows why he was able to do weird

knots with his literature because that's why he was referred to as the Diamond knot killer in times. Because a diamond knot is a very weird, intricate knot. So yeah, it looks like he was there. My favorite murder posted the photo. Go check out their Instagram to see that.

And also listen to them because they're awesome. Yeah, I like them a lot. Shout out to Karen in Georgia. So after that, the murders didn't begin until 1978. Which was, was this after he got, like, fired from the police force? Or was, that was 1979. Yeah, he was fired. So it turned out that he was a police officer, which kind of makes sense why he was able,

one, why he was doing staking out, because he knew that that's the smartest way to catch somebody and, you know, do what you need to do. And two, he was able to leave nothing behind and was able to keep himself completely concealed, his identity completely concealed. Because he knew, that's what the training you get in the academy. Right. In 1979, he was fired from the police department for a really ridiculous reason, a hilarious one. It was just chaflifting things that you buy all the time, you know? This is always the list. It's always on my list. It's always on the grocery Dissary list. One, he stole dog repellent, which I didn't even know was a thing.

I actually didn't. I thought that was fake. I was like, ha-ha. I was like, oh, dog repellent. And then they were like, no really. And a hammer. And a hammer from a pay and save. Just casual things that you're picking up on a Tuesday, you know.

So what's interesting about that is a lot of the victims, a few of them had dogs. A lot of them were said later to be shocked that. Their dogs didn't make a sound. Their dogs weren't barking or seemingly like trying to attack this guy. Right. Because normally they would. They said that they, their dogs bark. And people smelled like a weird smell that they couldn't identify on him.

And it seems like that must be because of the dog rappel. Which I didn't know what is the thing. But when I looked it up, it is to make a dog stop barking. So, and obviously it would make a dog not want to attack you because you apparently smell bad to them. So that's a weird little. thing but they would get on his trail and then lose it yeah like the the police would get on the trail and lose it right um just stepping back a couple years it was right before the murders which started at 1978 uh in 1977 77 he somebody sent a letter to the police

and they believe it was him and it's now kind of canon that this is him so um the letter is so dramatic very like snap your hands and like hit bongos and like poetry slam it up. So I'm going to read it for you all. Enjoy. Because this is wonderful. It's called Excitements Crave. He literally titled this.

Can everybody just take a second? So all those mortals surviving birth upon facing maturity take inventory of their worth to prevailing society. Choosing values becomes a task. One self must seek satisfaction. the selected route will unmask character when plans take action accepting some work to perform at fixed pay but promise for more is a recognized social norm as is decorum seeking lore achieving while others lifting should be cause for deserving fame leisure tempts excitement seeking what's right and expected seems tame jesse james has been seen by all and son of sam has an author others now feel temptations call satire Sacramento should make an offer. To make a movie of my life that will pay for my planned exile,

just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file. Your East Area Rapist and Deserving Pest, see you in the press or on TV. What? Why? So that's a lot to unpack. He sat down at his kitchen table or wherever he liked to do his writing. Or in his cave, wherever he was living. lived, yeah, and wrote that, like, you know he was tossing papers left and right, like,

nope, that doesn't sound good. Let's add this in here. He was trying to make that as intense as possible. Super intense guy. No chill in that poem. Basically, to me, what it seems like is, first of all, he was, he seems to be kind of influenced or, you know, seeing role models in other famous killers, you know, Jesse James, son of Sam, and saying how they have authors, meaning they have books about

them. They have movies about them. They want that. He wants a book. He wants a movie. Like the police are going to be like, you know what? Yeah. You know what? Let's give him this. Because that's what he's asking for. That's all you want. And then the part that is kind of silly. And unsettling. And unsettling is when you first hear it, you're like, wait, what?

Because he says, um, he says, just now I'd like to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file, which is like, what? Are you talking about? What is that? Like, why? That's weird. But then, then in May 1977 the same year one of the victims who also had two small children in the house

I just want to mention that because he's a goddamn monster you didn't care if you had children in the house sometimes he made the children tie them up or he would just tie them up and like move them somewhere he's just real gross this lady was assaulted in her home by him and she also had in her home an Italian

father which to me kind of seems like he's saying like I want to add the wife of a mafia lord to my file. It was the father-in-law, wasn't it? I think it's, I'm not sure if it was the father-in-law. I just, it's an Italian grandfather which I think is the grandfathered in the kids.

Either way, there was an Italian father-sacilic in the house. Which isn't exactly the wife of a mafia lord, but he kind of, it's like, and he wasn't just Italian, he was from Italy. So, I mean, to me, that seems like he was kind of making a little, like, confirming I wrote the letter or trying to be like, see, I did it.

Which is just... Well, and he was all about, like, calling the police, calling the victims. Oh, yeah. Phone calls galore. Yep. Yeah. He was a creep. Yeah.

He didn't just let these feel... Like, after he had assaulted them, he didn't just let them live. If he let you live, he was going to keep calling you. He sometimes called people before. Oh, yeah. In many cases. He'd call and hang up. He would say weird, like, that one...

Like, and he was, like, like, he was... like whisper into the phone, like, I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. I'm going to kill you. Like call the bitches and whores and say really, really foul things. Really good things. Which, by the way, if you are so inclined to see all of these and you can also hear recordings, a website that we used for a lot of our research was coldcase dash ea-r-o-n-s.com.

They've done like an insanely extensive job at researching this. Everything you could possibly want. Yeah, they have all of the attacks. They have before, during, and after exactly what happened. All the phone call recordings. They have straight from the victims. Or not recordings, but. And you can see all of this, like, everything that he did after it,

because it's so long that we could be here for, like, 10 hours talking about it if we went through each one. But, um, yeah, he was a super freak. Um, he didn't, he, he began murdering after he had two botched attacks, too, which kind of seems like maybe he was, like, angry. Yeah, like, it kind of pissed him off. off and he was like, well, now I'm going to kill people. Yeah.

So once he went to murder, he, basically his method was bludgeoning. That seemed to be his... In one case, I think it was the first one, perhaps, that he used a fire log from outside to bludgeon them. Yeah. Like a log you would put in your fireplace. He bludgeoned. And a lot of it was overkill. Yeah, they said a lot of the times it was a lot of overkill.

Like, he just kept going. Like, they have definitely in death forever. And I just want to go through the amount of just the murder victims just to say their names because their name should be out there more than his should. Absolutely. So I'll go with August 21st, 1975 was Keith and Patricia Harrington. An interesting one with this one is Keith's older brother, Bruce, actually helped usher in Proposition 69 after his murder, which mandates prisoners that they have to.

to provide donate their DNA to a database, which is what would help in these kind of situations if he was ever, because if these people are ever arrested, their DNA is automatically going to be on file. So they can grab them if it's going to hit. Hopefully sooner. So that's pretty awesome

that something good came out of that. You know, like Bruce is a badass. February 2nd, 1978 was Ryan and Katie Mazury, I want to say. If I'm saying not wrong, I apologize. guys. December 30th, 1979 was Dr. Robert

Offerman and Deborah Manning. March 13th, 1980 was Charlene and Lyman Smith. February 5th, 1981 was Manuela Wittoon, which again, I'm not sure if I'm saying that correctly. W-I-T-T-H-N.

Totally yell at me if I said that wrong. July 27th, 1981 was Shari Domingo and Greg Sanchez. and May 4th, 1986 was Janelle Cruz, who was only 18 years old.

There is another one that hasn't been officially linked to him, but a lot of people think it might have been him because it was around the times that he was burglarizing homes. His name was Claude Snelling,

and that was September 11th, 1975. One of the survivors actually, though, that we wanted to talk about this lady is such a badass. She really is. Sandler, I believe is how her name is said.

He attacked her, and it was 6.30 in the morning when he broke into her house. Which, like, birds are chirping. People are awake. Her neighbors are getting ready for work. You should be enjoying a cup of coffee. Yeah. Her husband had... Feeling safe. She definitely wasn't. Her husband had just left for work. He was, I believe he was in the military and, like, some branch of the army. He broke in either through the garage door or through her son's room because she had reported a few weeks earlier that somebody must have been in her home. Her son's piggy bank was missing and a few...

Which is so sad. Yeah, like, what? What are you doing? And some of her rings were also missing. When he came into, on the morning of the attack, her three-year-old son was laying next to her. He comes in, I believe he was paying. handsless, says, shut up or I'll kill you. I just want your money. So it was under the guise that it was just going to be. Which he used a lot. That was a lot of his, he used to say,

I just want money, just cooperate, I just want money. Right. So he ties her and her son up. He ties their wrists, their ankles with shoelaces. He moves her son out of the room. I mean, which is upsetting. Upsetting, but at least. I'm glad that it's like, oh, like a three-year-old. Oh, poor baby. Um, he raped her. And she is quoted as saying, I'm not sorry I was raped. And I say that because it has given me one of the purposes in my life. And that is to reach out and help other women, which is amazing that she can take an event like this in her life and turn it around to make it her one of her life's purposes to help these women.

Can you imagine being that kind of optimistic? I think I would just like fall into the deepest, darkest possible depression. I don't know how people. Talk about that's like hero status. Literally. Like being able to look at it like that. And she was absolutely terrorized after this. Like didn't feel safe in her home.

Of course. Didn't want her husband to go away on these trips that he had to go on. This is horrible. I think it was a month or so after the attack. She finally was starting to feel a little bit better, safer. She had put up a wicked tall fence in her backyard. And she, her husband was away. She was sunbathing in the backyard.

and a pebble landed next to her that had flown over the fence. So she kind of didn't think anything of it at first, and then another one and another one came, and she ran into that house because she was like, what is happening? Like, yeah, scary, weird. She calls the police, they're there within, like, 10 minutes because obviously they know what she had been through.

And it turns out some asshole that lived down the street from her was just terrorizing her because he knew what happened to her. He was just, like, having a fun time, like, spending his afternoon terrorizing of rape victim. Yeah, you have to be the lowest form of parasite on earth to do that. You really do. Like, you're gross. And we don't know if it was the Golden State Killer, actually. I mean, it could have been based on the fact that he had to continue to call people.

Yeah, she was, she was, she was receiving phone calls me with it. Yeah, she was receiving phone calls as recently as 2017. She got five in one week that were just a. all like silent breathing, stupid hang-up phone calls. And it's like it's terrifying either way, whether it was him or not. Somebody thinking it was funny to terrorize a rape victim. It's like, either way, it's like, come on, people do better. Seriously?

Do better. Just some little like tidbits here. It seems like a lot of people said that it didn't seem like he was very into the sexual part of the rape. In fact, there were actually points where they weren't sure if he was. had finished and or he couldn't get going. It's also reported that he had like a very tiny penis. Yeah, speaking of that it's widely reported.

So we're not, this isn't just like, you know, we're not speaking smut here. We're just telling you what we're hearing. Just letting you know. It's reported widely that he had a tiny member. He was not well in doubt at all. There was one girl who was a teenager. I believe she was a 15 year old. Yeah.

She was raped three or four times in one night. by him. What the hell? And she was a virgin, and she told him that. Or he asked her that, or she told him that. Either way, it was brought up. When she was checked out later, her hymen was not broken. Wow.

So that's three or four times in one night. He was pretty dang. But that's how monstrous this guy was, though. Like, first of all, a 15-year-old. And even, it's just gross. Some of his youngest victims were, like, 13. Yeah, it's, it's, like, awful. And it seemed like his main motive was not to, you know, not to get off.

It was to literally terrorize. It was to instill as much fear and as much panic and anxiety into these people as possible. And it seemed like he almost got, like, power from it. Absolutely. Yeah, like, he would, I mean, he would tell them he was going to kill them. He would tell them he wasn't going to kill them. He was going to kill everybody in the house. If he had kids, he was going to kill your kids.

There was a case where he told the woman if this ended up on the news that he he would kill her and then told her husband if he didn't end up on the news, he would kill her. Yep. And there were like, yeah. And there was like several times where if there were kids in the house, he would say, you know, don't let these plates move or I'm going to cut off your kid's ear or finger and bring it to you. Like, can you imagine like being a pair of his camp. God, no. He kept gloves on for almost all his attacks.

Even when he was raping people and like fondling and groping, a lot of people said he kept a glass. loves on, which is really weird. He also used a bike to get away from scenes, which sounds really ridiculous. At first time, I was like, why, though? But then when you think about it, you can get really quick, you can get away really fast on a bike. And somebody running after you isn't going to be able to catch you on a bike if you're going, go and going.

And then even somebody in a car, if you dart into a yard or down an alleyway, they can't get you. So it's actually a really smart way to get away, which I don't want to admit that he's. He's smart, but, like, he's, again, he's evil efficient. I was going to say, what was the band? Yeah, evil efficiency. Yes. TM.

And I want to, we really can't talk about this without mentioning Michelle McNamara. And her book, I'll be gone in the dark, because she should honestly be getting so much more credit for this than she is, because that woman put in so much work. This became her life's purpose. This was her life. And it's like she put together so many loose ends. She connected so many things. Right. And she was able to get information from people that, like, no one else could get.

Like, she did the damn thing. Yeah, she was working on this day and night. It's so tragic that she's not physically here to see this happen. Impostate at such a young age. But hopefully wherever she is, she's, you know, watching and high-fobbing everybody around her. She is tap dancing. If he wasn't, she certainly is. And I believe, and it was Pat and Oswald, their husband and a few other people who finished the book for her, because he said that's what she would have wanted.

She wanted that book finished. Right. So go check that book out because it's awesome. And the title, All Be Gone in the Dark, is actually ripped from a quote directly from the Golden State Killer. Said to a victim. He said to, I believe it was a 16-year-old, his ninth victim, I want to say, that he said, basically don't move. or you'll be silent forever and I'll be gone in the dark. Which is horrible.

Again, if you heard that in a movie, you'd be like, no one talks like that. He's on another level. He's really on another level. So now we got him. We're going to see what happens. Hopefully, he's going to start talking, and we can maybe do another episode talking about what his bullshit insights are. I cannot for him to talk.

Please talk, sir. He'll talk. After that letter. A poem. Yeah. He's a fame scene. Maybe he'll write another one. He's going to be like Kemper, where he's going to be like, let me tell you everything.

Yeah. Because I like seeing my face and hearing my voice. For sure. Like, I really think that's what it's going to be. Yikes. So, yeah, that's the Golden State Killer, Joseph James DiAngelo. That asshole is caught. Yeah.

So stay tuned for that. And we are going to do Edmund Kemper. Next episode. Next episode will definitely be Edmund Kemper because we got him totally ready to go. Yes. And that dude talks. a lot. I don't think he's written any poems, but we'll check it out.

But little, you know, spoiler alert, he has done some books on tape. So just hang on to that. Just chew on that nugget until next week. That's for another time. All right, guys, so thank you so much for listening. We hope you continue to listen. And we hope you keep it weird. Yeah.

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