Morbid - Harvey Glatman "The Glamour Girl Slayer" Part 2

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

Part two of Harvey Glatman is here and it is wild! When we last left you Harvey had just murdered Ruth Mercado and was ready and absolutely set on the idea of abducting his next victim. He hit up a modeling agency to find his next victim, but little did he know, he got much more than he bargained for. The next woman Harvey abducted and attempted to murder would be the one to end his entire reign of terror. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a mini morbid. And it's Elena-centric. Sure is. That doesn't have a nice ring to it. Whatever, man. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, morbid.

Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. Well, we promised you guys. I know you had to get through the Kellyan Bates episode. That was a tough one. But like I said, I think it was very necessary to tell that story. Plus. Especially, you know, everybody in quarantine, like I said, again, use those numbers if you need to. And it was nice to see everybody kind of like telling their stories and how they like survived and are thriving.

So like, yay. It was exactly what I wanted. And the other thing I just wanted to mention about that was a couple of people were like, no, you shouldn't let your daughter, like, get involved with a 32 year old. Yeah. And they kind of took it as like because we didn't. go hard on the parents that we're so like we like agreed with them no we definitely didn't agree with well and i also just want to say we didn't want to focus on the parents what they that wasn't about the parents what it was about was kelly ann and that fucking asshole james patterson so we just didn't want

to focus on judging the parents because i think it would have taken away from the message of the whole episode so i just wanted to say of course we're not can you know of course i'm not going to let like my 14 year old daughter marry a 34 32 year old but and he wasn't even actually 32 exactly he was 48 so but yeah I just wanted to clear that up that you know we just didn't want to go into the judgment zone that's all we're just not you know damned if we do damned if we don't but we're our fucking best man we really do but yeah I just wanted to be clear on that that we were like yeah it's cool oh and to back up a couple episodes ago I'm really sorry that I said marine corpse instead of marine corps that was really stupid and I should have looked that up first, and I apologize. I genuinely do.

Yeah. And so I think that's like my favorite murder. It does like a corrections corner. Yeah. That was our little corrections corner. We're not going to do that again, I don't think. That one was that we probably needed to. Yeah, like the Marine Corps thing, we just wanted to make sure everybody needed it.

Thank you. I didn't want anybody to think that we were being disrespectful. Yeah. For sure. And then I just wanted to clear up that parents thing because I don't want to be seen as someone who's like, yeah, sure. Let your 14-year-old date. Which I think we made clear in the episode, but some people did not see it that way.

So yeah, so we just wanted to mention those two things. And tonight's episode is going to be decidedly less heavy and just fun spookyuki. So fun. But first, we have a little bit of business to take care of. We do. I'd like to tell you that our Philadelphia show has been rescheduled to September. Nope. It is August 11th.

Yay. Come in August when COVID is. gone and we can stop social distancing. Yeah. Yay. August 11th, Philadelphia Punchline Comedy Club. The Washington DC show at the DC Improv has been rescheduled to September 16th. Yay, September when COVID is gone.

Putting it into the universe. Yeah, for real. Our two shows at Zanies in Nashville, Tennessee have also been rescheduled to the 23rd of September. Nashville. Our Huntsville, Alabama show at Stand Up Live has been rescheduled to the 24th of September. September. September.

Roll tide, war eagle, go Alabama. Whoa. And then June 2nd, we'll be at the June 2nd. We'll be at the June 2nd on June 2nd. Am I good? No. June 2nd will be at the Good Nights comedy club in Raleigh, North Carolina. Raleigh, I know we're going to see you in June.

I just know it. We will. It's my fucking birth month. The world can't shut down. And a lot of you have told me it's your birth month. So like, let's fucking do it, Gemini. Let's do it. Make the universe stop COVID now.

Hell yeah. Pray, light a candle. yell into the hummus, wash your hands. Stay inside and wash your hands. Did I say June 3rd, we're going to be at the comedy club in Charlotte? I don't know, but we'll be there and I'm excited about it. Comedy Zone in Charlotte. Woo-hoo.

June 11th, we will be at Talia Hall in Chicago and we'll be there the next day, June 12th as well. Ooh, spooky Talia Hall. I'm so excited. Oh, girl. July 8th, we're going to be at Comedy Works South in Greenwood Village, Colorado. Colorado, we're coming to you. And last but not least, obviously, we will be. at the Wilber Theater on July 11th in Boston, Massachusetts, with Elena's childhood best friend who's really fucking funny. Emily Walsh. There you have it, bitches. And let's hope, you know,

we'll reschedule as we have to, and we're going to go with the flow, everybody. It's going to be awesome. So everyone stay inside, wash your hands, social distance, and let's have these shows happen, guys. And if you want tickets for these shows, because a couple of them still have tickets available, go to morbidpodcast.com. We have all our live shows laid out there. You can click the links for each show and it'll take you to the ticket sites. Don't worry because when things get postponed, your tickets are going to be rolling over to the new show. So let's do this.

Let's get it. Let's go. Without further ado, what is your mini episode about? So this episode is on the history of the Ouija board. A lot of people have a lot of people. requested that like many a time. Yeah, and I figure it's a fun little spooky spooky episode. It is. It's going to bring us down to a fluffier place. Fluffier place. A fluffier diamond place, but still a fluffy place. You know what's funny is you say Damon and some people think it

sounds like you're saying diamonds. And then in one of our ads you say diamonds this week and it sounds like you're saying demon. Hey, look at that. So, you know, look at you. Fun. So much fun. So what we're going to do is I'm going to go through the history of the Ouija board where it came from, how it started, in spiritualism and all this fun stuff. And then at the end, Ash and I are going to read a couple of your listener stories that have to do with Ouija boards. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, so it's going to be fun. Fun. All right. So it all began in the 19th century during a crazy, kooky time referred to as the emergence of spiritualism. Oh, girl. So it really all began in America on March 31st, 1848, when 11-year-old Kate Fox and her 14-year-old sister Margaret Fox

claimed that they had contacted the ghost of a man who was haunting their home. They lived in New York State, and he had apparently been murdered in the home. And so what was happening was they said they were hearing taps and haunting stuff and all kinds of noises. And so they started asking him questions, and he would tap to answer. So all of a sudden they were saying that they were. getting you know they were chatting them up now hitting up that dead guy you know so but he didn't just sit down and do an interview he followed a strict one tap for yes two tap for no guideline

got it uh when this worked word got out and these girls started showing their newfound talent for contacting the dead to locals at their town hall people would gather to watch them it became a whole thing then the new york tribune wrote about it and it started spreading to other news outlets And a few months later, boom, spiritualism. Whoa. So it had spread into Europe, all over America by this point. It went nuts. Funny story, in 1888, the sisters admitted that they completely faked the whole thing.

You know, I kind of saw it going there. It's like, are you shocked? But don't worry, because that did absolutely nothing to stop the spread of spiritualism. Of course not. It had already erupted. So spiritualism is the idea that you can have a chat with a ghost via the help of a skilled media. via the help of a skilled medium who has supernatural abilities

to communicate with those of us that have shuffled off this mortal coil of ours. It was and is a religion. It still is. And it was officially added as such in 1893. And it's supposedly,

they claim it's based in scientific truths rather than like faith-based methodology, but like, okay. That's all the same about that. It really took off during the Civil War, which is interesting, and it makes a lot of sense. Because as the most brutal and bloodiest war in American history, there were thousands upon thousands of families who had lost loved ones, mostly in unimaginable ways and oftentimes far away from them where they weren't able to see them. These families needed comfort, they needed closure, they were looking towards anything just to say, just to hear their loved one again or get something. Of course, spiritualism provided this way to feels like they were able to speak to those fallen soldiers again

and get the closure that they were, you know, looking for. It had a ton of proponents from every class. Even Queen Victoria was down for spiritualism. Okay, girl. Yeah. Yeah. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert actually participated in seances in 1846. Oh, shoot.

Which, like, that was a badass. That is really cool. In 1861, Prince Albert unfortunately died of typhoid. And in that same year, a 13-year-old boy named Robert James Lees said that he had a seance at his home. And he said Prince Albert had come through. And he wanted him to pass a message to Queen Victoria for him. Now, this is, at first you're like, okay, little boy. I'm like, sure.

No, I'm like, I believe you. But this message called her by like a nickname that only she and he knew. And she was like, no one knew he called me that. Right. So that's a little weird. And after this, the little boy performed seances at Windsor Castle. And Prince Albert came through again and again. Stop this.

So then when Queen Victoria passed away, their daughter, Princess Louise, said that she received messages from her mother via seances with the medium Leslie Flint, who was like a well-known medium. That's so cool. So it became like a legit thing. Like this was a legit religion. It still is a legit religion. like this is not just like woo you know um so some other noticeable noticeable notable spiritualists

were biologist alfred russell wallace which you know that gives a little bit of kudos to it when a biologist gets on board um and also sir arthur conan doyle who created the character and story of sherlock holmes would you look at that now interestingly this was a time when women were under rigid control, you know, literally physically like corsets and societal rules and shit. Well, spiritualism kind of, it kind of lended itself nicely to a way for women to kind of shake loose and regain some more control back because it was thought that the most effective mediums and clairvoyance were women. They just thought they were a little more in tune with this stuff.

Because we're in tune with our emotions. Exactly. Except me. So. Yeah. You're not. No. I N. T.J.

So men just didn't have what it takes. And so it really became a way for women to be in the driver's seat, which was nice. Love that. Spiritualists tend to be more liberal, kind of nonconformist types. The whole idea of spiritualism was supposed to be optimistic, looking at the afterlife, just as another plane of existence that you get to go into. That's kind of how I look at it. Which is, that's a nice way of thinking. Who wants to... I mean, is it logical to think like there's not, you know, this wonderful afterlife? Maybe.

But it's much nicer to believe that there's something great happening after this life. Like, who doesn't want to believe that? I think it's logical to believe that there is. Oh, I mean, I think it's illogical to say there isn't because no one knows. So it's like you can't say for no. But then you can make the argument that it's illogical to say there is because nobody knows. Well, that's the thing. See, that's why I like to sit in the gray area.

I like, you know what? Sometimes I just like the whimsy of it all. You know, it's a nice little whimsical situation. I mean, I love logic, but, you know, we'll go with it. So now, so at this point, seances were all the rage. They involved many phenomena that people really fell hard for, obviously. One of these things was table tipping. Table tipping is when a ton of people are around a table, lights low, in full

seance mode with a supernatural lady or bro nearby to aid in the communication. Everyone puts their hands on top of the table. And after a long time, like almost an hour sometimes, I'm just sitting there with your hands on the table. Poof, the table will begin to move around. It will like tip and rock and sway all over the place. And everybody's like, whoa, all her hands are here. How's this happening?

Your table surfing. Like so crazy. Then there was something called alphabet calling. where someone went through the alphabet out loud, and when a spirit tapped or made a sound, you would write down that letter and see what it spelled out. I see where we're going here. Oh, you see where we're going here.

I see it. Well, the next thing that used to work for everybody was called automatic writing. And that's when the medium went into like a trance, let the spirit move their hand around on paper. Ooh. Something would get written some special fancy spirit message. I bet it was a beautiful script. You know it.

So French spiritualist Alan Cardic said in 1853 during a seance that the deceased visitor from beyond told the people doing the seance that they should just stick a pencil through an upside down basket to let everybody place their hands on the basket to help guide the pencil to write. Oh, that was a pretty good idea. Yeah, like, thank you deceased stranger from beyond. Well, this turned into what we know as a planchette. Uh-huh. Can you guess what came next? The board. The Ouija board.

So originally called talking boards or spirit boards, their true origin has a little bit of confusion to it. It was created in 1886 for sure, but it was either invented by a guy named E.C. Reich, or Rache, who was a cabinet maker slash coffin maker. Okay. Or it was invented by Charles Knard, who owned the Conard Novelty Company. most people believe that Rache invented it and then sold it to Kinnard. Okay. Because then later, Rache said that he invented it and that Kinnard stole it from him and Kinnard claimed he invented it.

So one of them invented it and Kinnard ended up with it. I mean, someone invented it. Somebody invented it. It's here. So after being sold as a talking board or spirit board in 1890, Kinnard and his lawyer, Elijah Bond, went to a seance in Baltimore. The sance was held by Elijah's medium sister. named Helen Peters.

That made me laugh a little bit when I just said that because it's like his medium sister. Not his older or younger. His medium sister. Helen Peters. So during the seance with Helen Peters, Elijah's, what is it? Sister-in-law?

No, sister. His medium sister. One of those. Medium sister. During the seance, they asked the board what it would like to be called. Okay. Because they were like, well,

we got to name it something snappy. You know, you can't just play spirit board, which I like, but whatever. So they asked the board, what would you like to be called? And it spelled out Ouija. Okay. So then they were like, what does that mean? And it spelled out, good luck.

Oh. Yep. That's a little ominous. Spooky. According to a time article, the building where this all happened, the seance, is still standing at 529 North Charles Street in Baltimore. It's actually a 7-Eleven now. Let's go to the 7-Eleven and get a Captain Crunch Slurpee.

I won't do that. Live our lives. And then we can die and come back with the spirit board. Yeah. Yeah. There's a plaque on the wall at this 7-Eleven that says there's a seance happened and that they named the Ouija board here. I love that of all things they decided to make it a 7-Eleven. Yeah, you know, you got to do what you got to do.

We all love a 7-Eleven, so I'm not hating. We all have to evolve, you know, even buildings. So now they need a patent because that's just how this shit works. You can't just throw something out into the market without a patent or everybody's going to rip it off. So they go to try to get this patent at the patent office. And they were like, yeah, this is cool, but you can't have this patent unless you prove that it really works. Like, that's how patents work. Uh-huh.

And so they were like, okay, cool. So Helen Peters, the medium, was called to the patent office in Washington, D.C. by Elijah and Charles Kinnard. So the worker there who was in charge was like, all right, listen, if it can spell my name, then you can have the patent. And because he didn't have his name. tag or anything and he was like no one knows who I am. Helen used it and boom, it spelled his name. That's so fucking cool.

So apparently everyone in there freaked the fuck out, they got the patent. I love it. But the patent doesn't say how it works. It just says that it works. Okay. Which is like adds to the like mystique of it because it's like, we got a patent that says it works, but even they're like, we don't know how. It just does.

Because it's like, how does it? How spooky spooky? So in 1882, William Folds became supervisor of the company. He sold and made a ton of them of the canard novelty company He sold and made a ton of money selling the new Ouija boards I was like the one new Ouija boards I was like I feel like you skipped a part that I'm not familiar with The Ouija board and with this money that he was making he opened a ton of new factories to make more Ouija boards Right he opened one huge one in Baltimore because the board told him to

Oh and it said prepare for big business. Damn. So he was like, all right, Ouija board. He was a slave to the board. Well, unfortunately, he died in 1927. Of what? How, you ask? He was on the roof of that huge building that the board had instructed him to build, and he was overseeing a flagpole being put in on the roof.

According to the Baltimore son, quote, he was standing near the edge of the roof, grasping an iron support of the pole to study himself. The workman's, said when the support suddenly pulled away and he toppled over backwards. That's terrifying. If that's not crazy enough, on his way down, he grabbed an open window sill to try to stop himself. The window crashed closed as he did that. Oh my God. He hit the pavement below. Initially, he only had broken ribs and they were like, oh, he'll survive. Well, on the way to the hospital and the ambulance, they hit a bump in the road and one of his fractured ribs

went through his heart and killed him. Oh my God. If that is not some gnarliest. I don't know what is. Like what? That was like some final destination shit. Yeah. Everything he did to try to stop that from happening, it was like no.

It was just supposed to happen. Yeah. Unfortunately. So that's fucked. Well, that made me feel spooky. Yeah, some type of way. So Helen Peters, who originally, who was, you know, the medium sister, she originally had invested in the company because she was like so into this.

and she had a falling out with this board. Oh, after this. So she was totally a proponent of it at first. And then she ended up denouncing it later. Apparently, some Civil War family heirlooms went missing in her home. And so she went to the board and was like, who took these heirlooms? And the board named a family member.

Uh-huh. And so she was like, well, shit. So she said half her family believed this. Half her family was like, this is bullshit. it. They had a huge conflict, huge fight over it. And they never got over it. She said it literally tore her family apart. And Peters sold all her stock in the company after this. And apparently until her dying day, she said, don't use that board. It's evil. It will ruin your life. That made me get goosebumps. And I also feel the same. Yeah. I'm saying. So now for

it's sinister reputation. As if the stories of like, crazy juju from the initial creators and seller wasn't bad enough, it definitely gets a little worse. It just gets a worse reputation. Right. Things get worse. But first, we must know that although spiritualism started as like, you know, like we were talking, like an optimistic, you know, non-occult related religion, it was like very whimsical and like just looking towards the future. It had a lot of people against it. It had a lot of detractors.

So although many Christians and Catholics actually considered themselves spirituals, you know, spiritualists because it does make sense. Yeah. You know, a lot of Christians and Catholics decided that it was basically just witchcraft, which is somehow bad. That's not fair. So it just kind of had both. It was like some were like got it and we're like, yeah.

And this is kind of part of our religion. So like in the others were like, no. So now this doesn't make sense because it's supposed to be like a happy kind of whimsical religion. Again, looking towards the future. we all get to hang out after death the rule in fact and it's like that rules

why would you be against this like I don't understand like there's nothing like shitty about that I don't get I'm like just let people practice it right why is it bothering you it's not taking away from your religion I don't understand that you know it all has to do with like people rising from the dead and like the afterlife

and different worlds after death it's like we can all just like let's all just put it together it's fine let's just meet halfway hold hands and talk about it Let's do it. Yeah, I hate holding hands. Oh, that, man. But yeah, so it's like it rules. I don't understand why they're being, you know, being so against it.

Well, spiritualist writer Andrew Jackson Davis said he didn't even believe in hell. He believes, so he said he thought all deceased went into a really rad place called the Summerland after they died. Okay. I want to go to the Autumn land, but that's fine. Like, that's cool. And like I said, it was more like on the, you. you know, liberal-leaning way of thinking. So some conservative members of, you know, Catholicism or Christianity, it just went against

their values. So that's a reason why they were not into it. It kind of challenged them. So they turned against spiritualism. So the Ouija board in particular also lended itself to some of those, you know, broken values that religious people were kind of mad about. At the time of its creation, men and women weren't supposed to be all touchy-feely and alone together.

Don't be touchy-feely and alone. That was just not a good thing. That is way too saucy. But to use this board, it intended to be used, it intended to be used by at least two people, preferably a man and a woman. Oh, see, I didn't know that. And you would put it on your laps facing each other and put your knees together. Oh, your knees would be touching.

Your knees? Your knees, like crazy, you know, spicy knees. Getting hot and heavy. So then you would both had to gingerly touch your fingertips to the planchette. And, you know, it would get kind of romantic. and spicy. It's like footsies, but with your fingers. But with your fingers and raising a diamond. Exactly. So, so romantic. So as spiritualism kind of started to be looked at as darker, more macabre, more taboo, some physical mediums in the spiritualism, I broke a minute, in the spiritualism

movement were caught as frauds. And like physical mediums were like they would stick kids in like a cabinet and have the kid knock out on the cabinet. How do you explain that to your kid? Yeah. It was just like, I'm going to need you to just chill in this cabinet. And then knock when I tell you, because we're going to pretend you're a ghost. Right. The kid's going to be like, cool.

All right. But the problem was these few bad apples, these few frauds really turned people into like, well, this is bullshit and you're crazy if you believe it. Right, right, right. So it did start to become like, womp, womp. And then there was also the idea that like, you know, religious leaning people like, Christianity, Catholicism, like more conservative religions, we're looking at it as this isn't raising spirits of your loved ones or like nice spirits. It's raising demons.

Yeah. This is an evil board and you're bringing it into the mainstream and that's not okay. I high key agree with that. So it was like, you know, everybody's got their own opinion. It's cool. Yeah. So, yeah. So people were, you know, starting to get down on all this stuff and it looked like things were going to get decidedly less awesome and spooky. But then World War I happened.

And the Ouija board suddenly became all the rage again, particularly among the younger crowd up to like college age. Okay. It was so crazy that in 1920, a professor said it was, quote, a serious national menace. A serious national menace. And it kind of makes sense that like, and I'm going to go into it in a minute that like in the 20s it became big because it seemed to become big in times of turmoil. Right. a little bit, you know. I mean, that does make sense. It really does. So Jay Godfrey Rupert or Routbert was initially this guy who was a psychic investigator. He set out to try to scientifically validate

spiritualism at first. Okay. So before he was able to actually do it, he suddenly converted to Catholicism and suddenly thought it was just all witchcraft and it needed to be eradicated. Maybe something real bad happened to him. I'm saying. So the Pope actually brought this dude on board to put out a, like the warning bells to Catholics everywhere, that spiritualism was witchcraft and that the Ouija board was the devil. So in 1919, he published a book called the New Black Magic and the Truth about the Ouija board. In it, he claimed that using it would give you dementia, make you insane, that it was a means for spirit intercourse, which I've never heard. Incubis, succubis type deal. Don't really, he didn't really explain. He did not expound. He did not expound.

owned upon that idea he just I'd like to stick to spiritual abstinence because I looked up the book online and I found like an actual like PDF version of the like yeah it's like a picture of the book that you can flip it's pretty cool and it literally just

he's like it is a means of spiritual intercourse so like the spirits are going at it I don't know which I'm like all right like let him be maybe he just means they're fucking you over I don't know I think maybe that's like his really like a subtle way of being like The spirits are going to fuck you. Like, it's like, no, I think they're fucking you over.

I think both, to be honest. You don't know. Maybe. You just don't know. Honestly, probably. Honestly, probably. He also said it was a pagan invention and he called their use, quote, a return to distinctly heathen and anti-Christian beliefs and practices and additional

evidence of the fact that the world is once more relapsing into paganism. I really love the word heathen. I use the word heathen. I know you do. On the reg. That is one of my favorite things to say. You often call me a heathen, actually. I usually do it in a very, like, loving way. Yeah. Like, you're such a heathen.

Like, hey, yes. So, like, all right, let's go. Let's be heathens, I guess. So in the 1960s, it blew up again. It actually beat out sales of monopoly. Well, monopoly fucking sucks. But everybody has monopoly. That's accurate. Raise your hand if you don't have monopoly. I'm looking. No one's raising their.

hand because everyone has monopoly. We have monopoly. We have not played it. Monopoly will ruin a family just as much as a Ouija board will. Well, when the Ouija was sold to Parker Brothers and still beat out Monopoly. But it was still looked at as an occult item. Like it was like this taboo thing that you were getting. I know, it is funny that it's like an occult item made by like, like, like a spiritual distribution company. I know, like a toy company. Yeah. So in 1971, William Peter Bladdy wrote The Exorcist and it was published then turned into a film in 1973. I have a confession. Oh, God, you haven't seen The Exorcist, have you?

I've never seen The Exorcist. Reagan and me are not bros. We have so much work to do. I know. We're going to get you there. We're going to get you there. I'm here for it. Actually, John last year for Christmas got me a signed poster of The Exorcist and he also got me

the signed screenplay for the... exorcists. I don't even think I knew that. Yeah, it's like the script. And I like the actual script. Wow. I know. He's awesome. So the whole inspiration for this tale was a real story from Maryland. In the 40s, it was a boy who became possessed after being introduced to spiritualism and the Ouja board. So of course, that had to do with everybody being like, whoa. And of course, now there's like a ton of, there's like all kinds of movies about strictly about Ouija boards like you know horror movies um and it's in pop culture everywhere it's just you can find it everywhere in fact when we were in the lizzie borden house

there were several Ouija boards one of which they said don't touch yeah and they told us that like they got rid of it but somebody like but it like came back and they wrote like please make it stop or something like yeah and it was like whoa I was like oh don't worry I'm not gonna touch or look at any of them I don't even like to look at them I love them I love them I think they're so cool. I think they're beautiful. I think they're very pretty, but I I love Ouija boards. I love how much you hate Ouija boards. No. I would get like angry at you if you brought one near me. Like I would genuinely be like really upset with you. That's so funny. I don't want anything to do with it. Wow. I don't like seances either. I think that.

Oh, I love a good seance. I think that the wall is there because it's supposed to be there. Oh, I want to bust through that wall. If somebody would like to bust through the wall, that's fine, but I'm not inviting anybody to. Oh, yeah. See, when they want... I'm all about free will. I know. You really...

But inviting would be free will. You're just inviting them. They can come or not. Um, yeah, but I'm not... I'm not... It's my free will to not invite. Yeah, it is. Because when we were in the Lizzie Borden house, there was a medium there.

Mm-hmm. And she wanted... We wanted to do a seance. And I was like... I was okay with the seance, but she was like, can we use the Ougeborden? And I was like, no. You're like, how that was like, I will fucking drive out of here and I'm your ride home, in a monsoon.

So, yeah, so it's busy, like I said earlier, the biggest times that the Ouija board really like sales in profits and just in everybody's homes are definitely when it's clear that people need escapism or something to get their minds elsewhere. For example, the 1910s and 20s were really popular because the stress and devastation caused by World War I. You could probably hear my kids in the background. I don't know if you can't. You know, they're having a bath and they're real excited about it. So during the Great Depression is when Fould's had to open those new factories because the demand was so high. Right, right, right.

And like we said in the 60s, it beat out monopoly. Well, in 1967, two million boards were sold. Wow. 1967 was also a rush of American troops in Vietnam. And it was the race for, why, race, wow, I can't speak. Race riots in Newark, Detroit, Minneapolis, and Minneapolis. Milwaukee. So this is all times of turmoil. It's times when people just need to focus on other things, maybe take their mind away a little bit. And I think the Ouija board, the spirit board,

just kind of takes them to a place of woo. You know what is interesting to me is that it's like so, like there's so many of them and they're so like overly like produced. It's so crazy to me that they all contain so much power when it's like mass production. Exactly. It is, it's really funny. I believe it, but it's like, holy cow. It is. It is. It is. It is. It's like, Holy cow. It is kind of funny. I don't know. I've done Ouija boards when I was in like junior high high school. I haven't done one since. I mean, maybe it's because I like, I'm too careful. I think the reason why I'm so against Ouija boards is because two of my best friends, like that don't even know each other. Like one of my best friends from like when I was like way younger did a Ouija board and like this crazy

shit happened to her that she told me about. And then my best best friend did a Ouija board and like so much shit in her life went down. And like I stayed in her dorm room, which was like the dorm where they did the Ouija board and the fucking energy in that room, I stayed there like weeks later and I could not sleep. Like there was absolutely something there. I think they just didn't close it out properly. Well, that's the thing. And I'm not. You just got to close it out properly. You got to say goodbye. Yeah, but it's like even like when we were talking about the spooky games, like you think the demons are going to just listen because you said bye the right way? Maybe. I don't know. I don't know. I think you were lucky. Yeah. Yeah, because I definitely did them and I. I feel. I

feel about Ouija boards how I feel about spooky games I'm just I'm good yeah I mean I'm good with the spooky games I don't want to do that shit I feel like that's like taunting but I don't know I don't feel it's in the same level I'm like kind of I'm like whatever and I don't like that because one of my first best friend that I was talking about she when she did it they were like pretending to be somebody else and then she talked to a medium and the medium was like yeah that wasn't that person yeah well that's the I've heard things like that and I don't like yeah I don't love that I mean we won't be doing a Ouija board any time soon. Ever. So, ever. You're like, ever. Remember ever? No, ever. So that is the history of the Ouija board

where it came to be. And now I think we should read a couple of quick little listener stories that have to do with Ouija boards because I just thought that would be fun. I think that is real fun. Let's do it. Okay. So we'll start with a nice one and Ash will read it because she's so scurred. You want to be wrong. Okay. So it says, hello ladies. I recently stumbled onto your podcast and I love them. I'm slowly catching up. I'm very impressed on the way you both deliver a story. I'm hooked. I apologize in advance as I'm neither a great word smith nor storyteller. Well, first of all, thank you. And I bet you are. You are. I feel like I need to provide context. I know, blah, blah, blah. I met my wife when we were in junior high school. We experimented on each other,

played house, and I got her pregnant at the age of 15. I was 16. Live your life. A year later, we got pregnant again and had our second child. Babies making babies. I wish I would I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Oh. We tried to work things out, but ended up resenting one another. And she left me with the boys and said she needed to grow up. Oh. Don't worry.

It has happy ending. I know. I was like, you said this was happy. It is. I guess I robbed her teenage years. I took the boys and moved into a crappy apartment. Here I am 18 with two kids. Oh my God.

Wow. Yeah. A full-time high school student getting ready for college and working full-time as a load dock worker. You bad bitch. Right? I just want to like high five. I want to like, wow.

We should make you a plaque. Right? A year later, my, a year later, my boy's mom would take them on the weekends while I worked and completed my college studies. One evening, I had a good friend Mark persuaded me to be a, quote, normal 19-year-old and hang with some young ladies from another town. They didn't know me, and if they knew I had two kids, I'd probably scare them out. So being broke, I couldn't afford to take them out. We all met up at Mark's house with some takeout, yes. And a case. We all met up at Mark's house with some takeout, yes. And a case. of Mickey's wide mouths. Do you know that is? I do. I don't. After a few beers, my buddy broke out his sister's Ouija board. That was me. These are all going to have a Ouija board, by the way. No way. At first, I was like, fuck that. I was going to the University of California, Irvine, as an engineering major. I felt that I was pretty practical and didn't believe in that kind of stuff. The young lady I was matched with, Lizette, asked if I would do the board with her for, quote, fun. I would have been like, nah. I reluctantly agreed. So Lizzie,

and I asked the board some basic question. It was entertaining. She asked the board, Who will Estabon Mary? It spelled out M-E-L-I-S-S-A. That was the name of the mother of my kids. I didn't say anything but my asshole puckered. I loved that. That's amazing. We continue to ask how many kids will I have? The board gave my answer is three. I was like, who, this is some bullshit. Lizette knew very little personal stuff about me, so I didn't think too much about it after the night ended. Nothing manifested with Lizette and life moved on. Fast forward six years. My boy's mom and I decided to work things out.

Yes. We had always been in each other's lives, but not together. It was always for the boys. She did tell me that she had been told by her OBGYN, that her body took a lot of trauma having the boys so young, and we most likely could not have another child. Eleven years later, we did. Oh. Three kids.

Wow. We have our daughter, that fucking Ouija Porn. It's been 24 years since that Ouija Bored incident. and I'm reminded of it every Halloween season. As for our family, our boys are 28 and 27. Our daughter is 11. We are happy. Life has blessed us.

I'm not poor anymore and I spend a lot of time and, excuse me, I spent a lot of time and money trying to be the dad. I wish I could have been for my boys. Oh, my God. Right? You were a great dad and you still are. I personally haven't experienced much supernatural stuff. Life is spooky though. Congratulations on the recent birth of your child.

I wish you the best and continued success. I love your podcast and listen to you. to you every chance I get. Thanks for reading Esteban. Estabon. That was really nice. Esteban. Man, I love you. You're awesome. Isn't that, wasn't that just like, that was a beautiful one? I was like, you know what? That's a really nice one. I'm happy that you and miss. I got me read. I am too. I love that. Uh, so let's see. The next one is going to be less, uh, fun and whimsy. Of course it is, because it is. It is. So this one is named I messed with a Ouija board and all I got for it was a lifetime of trauma. Perfect. You know what? So not as cute. I

believe that, right? Hi, Ash and Elena. This story happened about a year ago in December 2018. It started on December 2nd when my friends had a Ouija board in their closet. I had never played Ouija before and they agreed to play. I know. Bad mistake right off the bat for even touching one and I will never let my future children bring one into the house. I'm saying. So before we even start, they talk to me about the rules. Don't let the plan check go off the board. It is a bad spirit, if it's a bad spirit, say goodbye immediately and do not give it permission. to enter you. They also told me of how they have made contact with spirits that spirits that lived on their land a long time ago and then they have a possible portal to hell

in their fucking basement. So they should have left. Why did you stay? Whenever your friends say, hey, I have a portal to hell in my basement. I'd be like, I don't know what like funny juice you've been drinking, but I'd be like, part of me is like, you've got to get out of here. part of me is like, can I see it though? I know you all too well. So basically this was set up for a nightmare week and we broke every fucking rule they said not to do. Oops. There were five of us in their house plus their mom, but only three of us were playing. Me, Easton and D, Noble and Blue. He did these in air quotes. So I was like, we're in the other rooms playing video games and Easton and Blue's mom was in her room.

We sat on the floor in the kitchen. We just started off sitting for a couple minutes concentrating on the board. It takes quite a bit of concentration sometimes and we instantly got an evil spirit. Straight to goodbye and it's gone. Next one, good spirit. We talked and just asked random things, getting kind of boring and it eventually just stops responding. Then shit went south pretty fast. Because it was pretending to be a good spirit. Probably. Being clueless as to the different spirits that typically appear in the Ouija board, I did not get the panic that struck Easton when the board started moving in rainbow motion back and forth between Z and U. Z U, Z U, Z U, Z U, Z U, it did this for several minutes before we got frustrated.

We tried to say goodbye when it got the hint and stopped. We decided to see how powerful this entity was and asked if it had something in the physical realm. Typical ghost stuff like flicker a light or close a door, etc. Nothing happens. We just keep repeating questions and it gives us answers. Typical 17-year-old questions. Who are we going to marry? Mary. Do you know my girlfriend's name? Answered that one correctly. That's spooky. Right? Now I believed in supernatural occurrences, but I was not convinced by this board. I thought Easton and D could be messing with me. That opinion started to change when Blue went to get a drink.

He walks in and is lightly chatting with us about how it's going as he decided not to participate. We tell him who we're talking to as Easton and Blue have made contact with it before. He goes and grabs a drink of water and sits it on the island in the kitchen, not anywhere close to the edge. I was about three feet away. I was in the middle of the island. He starts to walk towards the counter to grab something. As I turn my attention back to the board,

it moved the planchette towards the edge of the board. I hear a crash of glass. Oh. So the planchette moved to the edge and then the glass went crazy. And holy fuck from blue as his glass of water falls over the top of the island and smashes into the ground. Fucking panic. Noble in the other room walks out and is like, what the fuck was that? Noble is not convinced and says Blue knocked it off on accident or to fuck with us.

We're holding onto the planchette without saying goodbye because at this point, Easton's just trying to prove to me he isn't moving the planchette. More time goes by, asking it to do something else. All of a sudden, every light in the right side of the house is out. Powers gone. We don't even realize until we hear a, guys, what the fuck did you do from Noble? We look to see what the whole side of the house is completely dark. Their mom comes out and is visibly confused until she sees.

sees the Ouija board. She tells us her story of how the table levitated when she played. Oh my God. Easton says we should move this downstairs. We say goodbye to Zuzu and take a breather. After the power going out, I am pretty intrigued by the board, but also in panic mode because what the hell just happened. I wish we just stopped there, but it gets much worse. After moving it to the basement where the portal to hell was. Wait, do you know ZUZU? No. I don't want to say the name, but it's, I don't know how to actually spell it, but it's like P-A-Z-U-Z-Z-U, and it's like a known demon.

Oh, snap. And that's why we drink actually mentioned that specific demon on one of their episodes. Oh, snap. Yeah, not feeling it. After moving to the basement, Easton says we should try to summon his friendly ghost, Hest. Hest. We set up candles and darkened to the worm to help.

We begin and almost instantly, Zuzu is back like he never left. Is that really his name? No, it's short, but don't say it. Well, that's not his real name. Don't fucking say it. I'm just fucking telling you. We tell him he can go now, but he tells us he does not want to go. Yeah, I bet. Easton's getting pissed off, and we all tell the asshole the fuck right on off down Main Street.

You're not supposed to say that, that's for sure. But Easton changes his mind, and we keep talking to him. It's the most we got out of any spirit, and he's actually being interesting. At some point, Easton must have fucked up when talking to him because he stopped talking. We said goodbye to make sure he was gone and went upstairs. Easton looked insanely pissed off and Dee was asking him what's up. Easton pushed him away so Dee went to the fridge and told him he didn't have to be an asshole. Now Easton is a big dude, but Dee is pretty strong.

So when I say the man gained unholy unfucking natural strength, I am not kidding. Easton charges at Dee and before he can barely react, he picks him up and slams him into a chair and onto the ground. Oh my God. I'm flipping my shit trying to get Easton off D. eventually Easton just stops and gets up and gets put in a chokehold. He looks very confused and we let him go. Yep. Zuzu now has a physical attachment to him.

Easton begins to feel uneasy the rest of the night. Day one is over. Day two begins when Easton says he feels a very dark presence when entering his home. D. So D and I agree to come over again after school and talk to Zuzu again to leave him alone. Stop saying it. Dude, that's the name of like a Disney character too. Really?

Yeah. You just get enjoyment out of freaking me out. Well, it's just not, you said it's not the whole name. I know. So it's just a nickname. It goes about, it goes about as well as you probably fucking guessed. He decides against it. We now have our friend E over and he is talking to D in the room next to us when the bathroom connecting the room slams shut.

It sounded hard enough to break the door off the hinges. All of us jump and E and D run back into the room and freak the fuck out. Then I look down and realize we just fucked up. The planchette was now half on the board, half on the carpet. I instantly set it back and Easton looks absolutely terrified. At this point, I'm 100% convinced, by the way. Nope, Ouija boards work. I now have to fucking destroy this one.

I'm told by Easton that it is a bad idea and can actually be worse. We asked how many demons are present and the board responds 12. Oh, holy shit. Easton asks where and it responds B, E, D. bed. I swear when I looked at that bed, I saw them for a half second. The image of them is burned into my brain. We asked him to leave again or we will cleanse the house. We really pissed him off with that. Easton starts breathing heavy and we're all fucking confused when we see the scratches are now appearing on his wrists. Oh my God! Not just light scrapes, deep scratches that have drawn blood. Noble and one of our other friends claimed he was doing it to himself and there was no way. There was way too deep of cuts and especially, not after we were standing right there when he starts to gasp and arches his back. An upside down cross forms in the middle of his chest. By the way, he sent pictures of these scratches.

Oh, my God, I want to see. Yeah. We were standing there watching as it happened. At this point, we're freaking out. We're trying to say goodbye, but Easton is in tears as more scratches are appearing over his arm. Some are deep enough that they leave faint scars on him that he still has. Wow. I won't say the name.

The demon stopped responding, and we had no choice. but to just leave it alone for now. Easton would occasionally just wince and a new scratch would appear. He was so upset that he asked Dee to stay the night over there because he did not want to be there alone. We all decided to come back the third day and cleanse the house with him.

Easton is a wreck at school and has never looked so intense in his life. He told us every time he entered the house, all he felt was his wrists burning like handcuffs were on them. Oh my God. Dee had brought incense and oil and began putting it around the basement in the entrances of the house and also used a prayer.

Since burning the board could release the spirits And Easton decided burying it was also a bad idea He chose to stuff it away in a safe space Where people could not use it Not much happened after this Easton said he felt much better And it kept a cross above his bed As well as wearing a necklace with one for the next couple weeks

The house still has an eerie feel to it And the basement bedroom still definitely does Easton has not touched another Ouija board since But we did pull it out once to move it And it was broken Oh It was put in a safe spot yet had mysteriously bubbled up in a line down the middle after the house was cleansed.

That's wild. Since the board is no longer flat, it is worthless and unusable for the fucking best. Easton refuses to get rid of it still, saying it could bring even worse things to the house and stores it away. Personally, I would still fucking bury that thing where no one would ever fucking find it. Bonus story. The house is still fucking weird as shit. To further fuck around with spirits, they brought a spirit box. Remember they did that at the Lizzie Borden house?

Yes. You do not know what that is. It sweeps radio frequencies. The white noise and the fast scanning of radio frequencies is believed to provide the energy and transmission that spirits need to get their voices through to us. This was used for about 20 minutes when we got a horrifying message saying, you will all die before going completely dead. Oh, my God. The thing was drained of battery. Easy enough to fix.

We get more batteries, put them in, still nothing. Take the batteries out, put them back. Get different ones. Nothing. So we put the batteries in a TV remote, nothing. We take new batteries, put them straight into the TV remote, works. Then we take them out, put them in the spirit box, nothing. Put them back into the remote, nothing.

I don't know what the fuck happened, that anything that goes to the spirit box was instantly drained. It still does not work. We've attempted multiple times. We don't fuck around with anything spiritual in the house anymore. Never will again. The fucking end. Hope you enjoyed the story. I really enjoy the podcast and thank you for bringing education and awareness.

to cases like Alyssa Turney. Aw. Would love it if you could do a live show in Missouri. My friends and I could attend. Keep it weird. Nicholas. Whoa. Nicholas.

That fucked me right now. That's for sure. And he sent pictures. Holy motherfucking shit. Oh. There's the Ouija board. That's an old ass Ouija board, too. That pinshot is really pretty.

Yeah, there's a really pretty. It's like a really pretty old wooden Ouija board. Yeah, that upside down cross on his chest is truly sad. It's like somebody scratched their nail. Yeah. Or their demon claws. And you know what? That's crazy, Nick.

Even if that's a tall tale, which I refuse to believe, it's a good one. That's way too good of a tall tale. So, yeah. So I think maybe read one. We'll read one more. And then we'll close this out, I think. Yeah. We'll say goodbye.

We'll say goodbye. So the next one, Ash will read. and it is. It's called listener story. My dad's bitch ass, ex-wife brought a demon into our house. That is bitch ass. I said, what a bitch. Hey, weirdos. So this is an edit of my listener story I sent in. I'm sorry if it's a pain in the ass, but I was just so excited when you invited listeners to share our stories that I immediately jumped on my laptop and just spewed out some jumbled word vomit of what happened to me. I love that. I went back and reread it and realized I left some important facts out. So here's the full-ass story that changed my life. Ooh. Okay. But before that,

thought, I have to say you two girls, you girls have ruined all other podcasts for me. I've been a devoted follower since episode two and I fell in love with the banter, facts, mixed with humor, and everything else you offer in between. I love you. I know. Listening to this podcast is like sitting around with best friends or my sisters talking about weird shit. Thank you so much. You are our sister. And then she says, so anyway, onto my story. As a kid, I lived with my parents and my two sisters in a newly built house. Nothing crazy or weird ever went on, pretty normal and suburban. Fast forward to me at 15. Pretty dumb and thinking me and my friends were the funniest people on the planet. Plot twist, we weren't. Honestly, I think I'm the funniest person on the

planet all the time. And plot twist, I'm not. Yes, you are. Oh, thanks. So back to the story. One night in October, a friend was spending the night. I don't know what glue we were sniffing, but we came up with the idea to hold a seance in my room. So sitting in the middle of my bedroom, surrounded by Breaking Ben and Avrilavine posters feeling like bad bitches. Breaking Benjamin. in. She lit a candle and started doing the speech you see on TV, you know, summoning whatever spirit is around, asking if there's a presence to make itself known. We giggled like idiots for a few minutes before moving on to something else. This will come back later, but Kathy was sitting with her back to my closet. Bad idea, Kathy. That's what I said. It was a few hours later when she suddenly

set her back hurt. She pulled up her shirt a bit and there was a large red X on her back. I don't like these scratchies. I don't either. I don't like to be touched ever. I thought she scratched herself trying to freak me out, so I brushed it off and nothing else happened. It was a few years after that when my dad remained, excuse me, remarried this evil dragon of a woman named Vanessa. Her being a crazy bitch life ruiner doesn't have anything to do with the story, but I'd like to just spread the word for others. So yeah, Vanessa's from Indiana and I stay far away from her. That's hilarious. Oh, no, she said Vanessa from Indiana, stay far away from her. At the time, she seemed a little kooky, but fine, she moved in and would tell me some strange things. She said when she was a child,

she moved around a lot, and each time she moved, a poltergeist would follow her and torment her for a few weeks. No big deal. I'd be like, Vanessa, maybe you could show. Vanessa, you need to leave. Let's come now. I had seen a ghost, I had seen ghost hunter shows in America's most haunted, but like most people, when you hear others accounts of ghostly encounters, they're hard to believe. I moved in with my mom shortly after that, because like I said, fire-breathing bitch dragon named Vanessa. I love that. I love this. Three years later, my dad, and and Vanessa divorced and she moved out. My sisters and I came back to the house to repair the relationship with my dad.

It was when I moved back in then I started noticing odd things. I always felt a presence like I was being watched. I would walk up the stairs sideways, convinced something was behind me. My sisters always felt the same way. My dad was a police detective and the time, excuse me, at the time, and worked murder hours. So I was used to spending the night alone. One night alone, I heard footsteps upstairs. It was very late, so I assumed my dad was home from a case.

I went upstairs but found no one. I went upstairs several times after hearing footsteps, check the garage, house alarm windows. Everything was locked because unlocked shit is for dead people. Plus, when your dad is a cop, you don't fucking trust anybody. Finally, the last time I heard footsteps, I took a Louisville slugger with me upstairs to check the house. How many times I've done that?

You did that like a week ago. Except with a curtain rod. Earlier that day, I had closed all the bedroom doors, but when I turned on the hall light, they were all open. Fuck that. We both hate that. Yeah, no. Anything that opens, I'm just, no. Once I've shut things, if it opens again, I'm just, I'm not down for that. No, thank you. The master bedroom door was open and I looked into the darkness.

I did the whitest girl white thing I could do and I said, hello? Yes. Get it, girl. The bedroom door slammed and I fucking booked it. Nope. I ran out of the house and drove to my mom shaking and trying to convince myself it was the wind or anything else. I tried to forget about the incident and only told my boyfriend. He spent the night there with me a few weeks later so that I felt. safe. He's now my husband, so all the feels. Oh, I love that. I love love. When he slept over,

I told him about what happened. He was skeptical that helped me move a very heavy dresser in front of my bedroom door. He woke me up around 2 a.m. freaking up because my dresser was shaking violently against the door. Fuck that. There were loud bangs on the other side of the door. He moved the dresser and went out into the hall thinking he would find an intruder, but once again, the alarm was still on and all the house, excuse me, all the doors and windows locked. I shrugged and said, there's something in this house. He was just like, yep, told you. My boyfriend was never a believer in the paranormal, but after that, he definitely was spooked and didn't like being on my dad's house. I wonder why. Why? My sisters also had a similar experience, and the worst was, excuse me, and the worst was

when I had to pick up my little sister Abby from the house. She was on the front porch crying when I picked her up and refused to go back inside. She was trying to fall asleep in my old room, the seance room, and said the closet door kept creaking open. Oh, no. She had gotten up to close it, but when she got back in bed, the door handle fucking turned and opened. All the hangers and clothes inside were shaking and moving back and forth on the rack. After that, Abby refused to sleep at the house by herself. The last straw for me was when I fell asleep on the couch and woke up. It was around 3 a.m.

Oh, none of that's okay. And for the first time, I understood sleep paralysis. I was lying on my side and couldn't move because there was a face staring at me in the dark about six inches away. Oh, fuck that. Oh, I just got full fucking. Fuck that. That's what happens when I get sleep paralysis. It's that close to your face. Yeah. Oh, da-da-da-da-da-da. I could see an outline like it was waiting for me to wake up. When I was finally able to move, I reached my hand out. I touched something warm and sat up trying to scream, but my voice was gone. I simply laid back down and tried to pretend it was a dream. We told my dad. What did I just say like that? We told my dad. We told my dad about what happened, but being a very reasonable man, he chalked it up to overactive imaginations combined with a love for horror movies.

I blamed it on his now ex-wife and said, you brought the devil into this house and look what she left. A fucking poltergeist. The day my dad moved into his new house as a day I'll never forget. He looked at me and said, you know, I'm, I think there might have been something in that house. I was so exasperated, but glad at last, he at last believed us, at least believed us. I suck. Sorry. He told me there was times he was home alone and he would wake up hearing voices, assuming it was the TV or noises from outside.

He said, these voices always sound like whispered arguments and coming from my bedroom. Oh, I hate that. Later on, while working at a bakery in college, one of my regular customers pulled me aside and said, I'm paranormal sensitive and I can read other people. You are paranoally sensitive as well, and you need to be extremely careful about what you invite him. Oh, shit. They will be drawn to you and you have to protect yourself. I laugh about it now, but all these experiences definitely made me a believer in the paranormal,

and I take that shit seriously. The lame ghost hunting shows are still my guilty pleasure, but now I take it all with a grain of salt. I do all the weird superstitious bullshit. Ouija boards are not allowed in my house, burning sage is my jam and fresh airs for dead people. Yes. I still don't know if it was my dumbass self trying to perform a seance. Maybe my closet was a legit port of the hell or my dad's second wife brought a demon in. I think it's all.

She goes, I know I have way too much fun. Thankfully, I live a ghost slash demon free life now with my husband and fur babies. Thanks for reading this girls. I hope the podcast goes on for a million years and can't wait for all the episodes. Love you ladies. Keep it weird. Oh, man. Shoot. Shoot. That didn't even involve the Ouija board and it was like so scary. I know. It's a sound stuff. So I figured it was like the same kind of. Yeah, same deal. Deal. Same vibey. But yeah. I think that we need to go get some chicken wings and watch like Gilmore Girls again. Yeah. We need to we need to bring it back down to a fluffy level here. Yes, please and thank you. Yay. Well, that was a fun one.

Yeah. Hope you guys enjoyed learning about the history of spiritualism and the Ouija board and all that fun stuff. Thanks for your listener tales because I just love reading those. I do too. They're always fun. They just add a little spice to all that sense. A little pizzazz. I love it. So keep them coming.

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And we hope you keep it weird. But it's where they try to do a Ouija board or bring one into my house because of my future kids bring any fucking weedger board into my house. I'm going to light the whole house on fire and I'm just, it's not going to be good. Bye. Wow. Bye. That one was fast.