Morbid - Hinterkaifek

Episode Date: September 18, 2018

Let's take a rather unpleasant trip back to 1922 where we meet The Grubers. This German family had it all: incest, a possibly haunted farm and their very own murder mystery.  There is a lot to unpack in this case And since this family's very unfortunate new maid didn't even get the chance to unpack herself, we are here for you. Sources: https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/502044/chilling-story-hinterkaifeck-killings- germanys-most-famous-unsolved-crime https://www.unsolvedcasebook.com/hinterkaifeck-murders/ https://defrostingcoldcases.com/case-month-hinterkaifeck/ https://grimhappenings.com/the-hinterkaifeck-murders https://the-line-up.com/hinterkaifeck-murders Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. And I'm Ash. And this is morbid. Oh, it is? It is. Okay, I came to the right place. You did come to the right place. All right, cool.

Welcome. Thanks. Hey. Hurry. I'm just so funny. I'm actually making myself laugh, to be honest. Yeah, what else is new? Nothing.

Hey, everybody. Hey. We're back. For another week of uplifting stories. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't think of anything funny to say. That's what this is about, right?

Yeah. Jesus. Sorry. I can't wait to hear that. I won't edit it out. In fact, I'll amplify that sound. Whoa. That's what everybody wants.

Some people will think I'm like an elephant. Yeah. Cool. That's exactly what they would think is she must be an elephant. Is that? Only elephants belts. An elephant. Like a big, a big belt.

Like as soon as I hear a belch in public, I'm like, where's, where is that elephant? Right here, bitch. Oh, my damn. So, uh, there's been a little true crime news. What happened? I'm sure everybody listening knows about the Elizabeth Smart case. Who's that? I'm just kidding.

I was going to kick you in the face. No, that wouldn't have been a proportionate response to that at all. I wouldn't quit the podcast. I would understand. So everybody knows about the Elizabeth Smart case and all that good stuff. Well, terrible stuff. Back it up. One of her kidnappers, Wanda Barzee, who she once described as the most evil woman she's ever met. Wow. So just keep that in mind. It's being released.

That seems fair. Yeah, right? Yeah. I mean, whatever. Apparently what happened was she was sentenced to 15 years originally. and but it took like eight years for her to get sentenced like it took eight years for them to go through all of the uh like a people like um well they were going through like whether they were competent of stand trial and they went back and forth a million times whether they were fit or unfit yeah like whether they were crazy or not crazy so by the time she really got her sentence like started serving it she had already

served eight years she was in jailed all that time oh so now there's all of a sudden this thing where she has time served now. So she's already served eight. She had already served eight of the 15 years right off the bat. Oh, damn. So now this year in 2018, she's going to be released because she has technically served her time. Oh, thank you. And there's a law that says once you've served your time, you've got to get the hell out of there.

But a parole board today just said that she is completely unfit for release and that she's a danger to society, but their hands are completely tied. Why can't, I don't understand why they can't do anything about it. Because it's the law. They can't do anything about it. So now, Wanda Barzee is going to be roaming around snatching up kids. Hide your kids, hide your wife. For real. Legitimately.

And poor Elizabeth Smart, who is literally one of, like, everyone listened to her talk. She sounds so intelligent. Well, she's an advocate for, like, child rights now, like a child advocate. Yeah. And when she talks about her ordeal, it's insane. And it makes you feel like everything. It's just so minor in your own life. This girl was 14.

And for nine months of her life, she went through hell. I'm like, I don't know problems. Yeah, exactly. And so, but she's terrified. Like, she came out and said... Well, and she has two little kids now. Yeah, she has two little kids. And she came out and said recently, like, this is bananas.

She didn't use that word. She literally was like, guys, this is fucking bananas. B-A-N-N-A-N-S. And she's, she has said outright, like, she's, such a danger. Like this is society's in trouble with this woman on the loose. That's so scary. And there's actually a lot more that, you know, Wanda Barzies' background will tell you. And if you want to know a little more about

this, maybe you should head on over to www.patriot.com slash morbid podcast. Because then you'll get a little surprise bonus episode that we decided to do about the Elizabeth Smartcase. That's right, Patreon's. We got bored today and we were like, do something for our listeners because we fucking love them. So if you feel like giving us a little support financially, you're all giving us support emotionally, so I appreciate that. Yes. But if you feel like donating, you can have access to our bonus episodes, which are pretty rad. And we just... Sometimes I feel like our Patreon is like a lemonade stand. It just makes people happy. You know? I just feel that way.

Ash is overtired today. I say in third person. It's a long story. We had a long story about Monica and Morocco. Just like, let's save it for another day. If you want to hear about Monaco, listen to a history podcast. I mean, geographical. They need to listen to the geography podcast.

The gist of that. Goodbye. Which one was an island? None of them. No, which one did you think was an island? Morocco. It sounds like a fucking island, okay? She thought that Monaco was Morocco.

And then when she thought that Monaco was Morocco, she thought that there was an island involved somewhere. Who knew the fucking queen was in charge of Canada? Not me. Ash is learned a lot today. Everybody that's not from America is going to be like, oh, Ash is just an uncultured swine. You know? The queen is going to say. send someone for my head. This stuff is hard.

She's like, I'm in charge of everywhere, bitch. I'm in charge of everywhere. Oh, shit. Well, yeah, so if you feel listening to, now, the Elizabeth Smart Patreon bonus episode is not going to be as in-depth as our normal cases go.

No, just like a fun little... It's going to be a shorter one. We're going to go over it. Just to kind of a brief overview of the case, but we'll give a little detail, but just not as much as we normally give. Just a fun little bit. you're aware. Because our last bonus episode was like 400 hours long. How long was it? I think it was like an hour and a half. Really? And I had originally been like, this is going to be shorter and looser. It was looser, but it was definitely not shorter.

So I think people liked it, but this one will definitely be shorter than that. So it'll just be like a nice little surprise for you. Yeah, well, we'll surprise if you want to listen to it. So yeah. Let's see. Well, no, another, there's another quick thing I just wanted to talk about real quick. is the Sabrina the teenage witch re-well it's like a re-imagining I guess

because it's going to be based off of the comic books it's going to be like Riverdale right the original one was made for TV no but the comic book like they're making the comic book they're making the comic book yeah I'm not talking about Sabrina the Teenage Witch with like Melissa Joan Hart

no because that's definitely not what this is no it's I think it's called the chilling adventures of Sabrina the Teenage Witch. Yeah, you're right. And it looks rad. Fucking good. It's going to come out on Netflix October 26th, and I am counting down the seconds.

And Netflix has a trailer up right now, and it looks like a nice little mosh-up of like the craft meets American Horror Story Coven. Yeah, it does look like that. And it just looks like it's got that vibe to it, and I think it's the same people who did Riverdale, so it's got that

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I wonder who Harvey's going to be. I know. Well, it's actual Harvey, right? Yeah. He was in the comic books. Oh, cool. And then I, the only thing I'm a little bummed about is I need the like poorly animated Salem

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I'm on all the shit. And she's like, hey, I'm doing this today. I'm like, sick. Cool. But yeah. So we kept this one secret. I did not reveal what this is yet. But some people guessed it.

Some people guessed correctly. I didn't write down your names, but I'll give you credit for it. Yep. I'll like tag you. I'll look right now. Yeah, Ash will look right now. Some people got it right on the Facebook page and some people got it right on the Instagram. Okay, well, I'm just going to shout out the Instagram people right now because I don't have a Facebook.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Ash is too cool for Facebook. Excuse us. So, yeah. So the people who got it right were the ones who said Hinter-Kyfeck. And also, people were mentioning a lot of really good ones, too, that I have on the list already of ones that I have on the list already of ones that I want to do, like H.H. H. H. H. Holmes, the bloody benders, and a couple more. Only one girl got it right on the... Yeah, one girl, I think, on Instagram.

Zero girl X on Instagram. Yes. Who I think is Lisa. Lisa. So it was Lisa. So, so hot right now. Lisa's so hot right now. You got it right. It's Hintr-Kyfeck. The people who got it right on the Facebook page are Stephanie St. Germain. Thanks, girl. Hell yes. And... Jacob Adams, who is one of our Australian listeners. I know this. Because. Because he's awesome.

You're awesome. So I like, Jacob, you're red. Was he the one that was confused when I called? I was going to say, because the last thing I just read of Jacobs was when he commented on the Australian episode, the last one we did, Catherine Knight. And Ash might have called her a see you next Tuesday. I said it. I was in the moment and I said it.

I said it. And she meant it. But Jacob, it was funny because, and I knew in my brain that, like, I think it's, I knew it was in Australia that is a term of interment as well. Yeah. In other places, too. In Ireland, I think, too. Like, I think we're the only ones that make it, like, a bad thing. Yeah. Americans are the only one that really just, like, we just ruined it. Everything. So we just ruined that word and we made it not fun anymore. And so Jacob was like, I was really confused when you called her a cut because it's like a term of endearment. I only, I reserve it for special folk.

So those people got it right. It's Hinter-Kifek. Now let's just jump right into this. Okay. All right. I just jumped. Just jump. So this is referred to as the Hinter-Kifek murders, but a lot of people just call it Hinter-Kifek,

which is funny because it's kind of weird that you'll get why. So it involved the massacre of an entire family of six. Insane. On a farm in Germany in 1922. It remains unsolved to this day. Kind of. And you'll see why at the end. It's kind of unsolved. I thought I didn't know this case, but I just remembered it right now. I'm glad you're with us now. Okay. Here I know. So yeah, we'll explain later that it's

kind of unsolved, but kind of not. So the victims were 73-year-old Andreas Gruber and his wife's 72-year-old Cazilia, their widowed 35-year-old daughter, Victoria Gabriel, and her two children, the seven-year-old Cazilia and two-year-old Joseph. Oh. Also, the family's made Maria Baumgartner. That's sad. So, I know it's really sad. So, yeah, there's a two-year-old in this.

It's a bummer. I have two-year-olds, so... They're so cute. It's not awesome. So this family resided on a large, remote farm in the woods located in between the Bavarian towns. I apologize, German listeners. Iglestadt and... Schrobenhausen.

I apologize, German lister, but also my father's mother was German. So I have German in me, so maybe I'm going to get these right because something in me is just speaking. My stepdad was German. So there you go. But we don't share the same blood. My stepdad was German.

He was. There you go. He was. So, now this place is located about 43 miles north of Munich. Now, the term hinter actually means. means behind in German. Okay. So there isn't a place called Hinter-Khyphic. The term Hinter-Kifect actually refers to this remote farm because it was behind the small

hamlet, which is just a small human settlement. Is that called a Kaif? Of Kaifek. Well, this place was called Kaifek. Okay. This farm is behind Kifek, so it's Hinter-Kifek. Got it. It's confusing, but...

Now, Kifek was located in what was referred to as... wangen, but is now Weidhofen, as of 1971. So again, behind Kaifek is Hinter-Khyfect, just for your reference. I get it. That's why it's kind of funny how people call it Hinter-Kifek, because that just means behind Kuy-Fek. Right. So it's like the murders...

The murders at behind. Exactly. At behind Kifk. So the Gruber family themselves were not super popular around town. Why? They kind of kept to themselves, but their outcast status really stemmed from the fact that Andreas was a special kind of asshole. Uh-oh, what did he do? He was super abusive.

Oh, no. Like, super abusive. To everyone? To everyone? To everyone in his family. He beat his wife. He was abusive to his kids. In fact, it was so bad that there, it is said that there was way, there was more children besides Victoria.

But they just didn't make it to adulthood. Oh, my God. Yeah. So that's how. bad. So he killed them? Well, that's what a lot, like when you rumor has it? When you see a lot of things about this case, one thing that comes up consistently is there was other children and they're just not there anymore. Okay. Along with the fact that he was most definitely very abusive. Spook,

motherfuck and spook. So that's scary. Uh, how did Victoria manage to survive? Oh, I know. I mean, I don't know. How did she, how is she the only one? Well, It was known and documented that Andreas and his daughter Victoria were engaging in an incestuous relationship. I'm vomit. This happened since Victoria was at least 16. We know it was happening at 16. The entire village was aware of this. Were her babies his babies?

Well, we'll get to that. Okay. Well, at one point in 1915, a maid caught them in the hay on the farm. He was raping her because she was like 16 at the time. Jesus. They were both charged for this. The maid went to the police. Oh, wow.

Andreas spent a year in prison for it, and Victoria spent a month in prison for it. But she loved him too? Well, I mean, that's not really known. It's who knows if this was... Why did she have to go to jail if she got raped? Because she was part of it. It's just...

Especially in 1922, you know, in Germany, this was... It's one of those things. It's like way back in the day, if you were caught, you know, I don't know, you could get caught doing like stupid shit and thrown, you know, it's like one of those days. She was part of it, so she gets thrown in jail too. She got a month, he got a year.

Damn. Yeah, so that's kind of crazy. So Victoria definitely slid past the whole like murderous child abuse thing, but instead found herself being sexually abused by her father constantly. Now, regardless of when the incest began and how it began, it's clearly sexual abuse no matter what. The parent is in a position of power here. It doesn't matter if the child is a willing participant. You're wielding power over your child in a really fucked up way.

Yeah, that's so gross. Just to be clear. So, because I don't know if later in life she, I don't even want to say consented to it. Well, maybe at that point she might have been brainwashed. But it's like, it's still fucked. It's like, that's your, he wielded power over her. For sure. And that's really fucked up.

So, like we said before, Victoria. was a widow. Her husband, Carl Gabriel, was a soldier in World War II, World War I, excuse me, and he had been killed in action in December 1914. This was like really soon after he left for war two, which is really sad. I think he left in like August of that year. Oh my God. His body was never found, but his fellow soldiers said they saw him die in the French trenches and they all claim to have seen his body. So it's not suspicious. This is important because later he does get brought up as a suspect in all of this, and then they're like, no, we saw him die. Like, he's dead.

So Carl Gabriel was seven-year-old Cazilia's father. Oh, damn. So she, so her husband was the father of her seven-year-old. Oh, oh, damn. Because you were like, oh, damn. Oh, good, damn. Yeah. So we know that.

Okay. How about the two-year-old? He obviously didn't father Joseph. Because he was dead. Because he was born, Joseph was born in 1919. And he was already dead. Victoria did have a relationship with another man after his death. This other man was Lorenz Schlittenbauer, who in 1918 started a relationship with Victoria

after his wife died. Schlittenbauer was like literally the closest neighbor to the Gruber farm. This relationship was said to have ended when he wanted to marry Victoria, and Andreas wouldn't let it happen. Because he was like, no, she was mine. Yeah, pretty much. and Victoria claimed that Joseph was Schlittenbauer's child, but he denied this. He claimed that that child was Andreas's child.

Oh, shit. And because of this, he confronted Andreas about this and was like, this is your child. Like, I know this. They got to a huge argument, and it got so heated that Andreas actually threatened Schlittenbauer with a Sith. What's a Sith? One of those fucking, like, big, it's like a pole. with like a half-moon blade on it. Oh, damn.

Oh, like, and I know what you did last summer. Um. He holds a slick, I think. The killer. No. No? No, he doesn't hold a Sith. Oh.

I was like, what? The fishermen don't have it? No. I wonder am I thinking of. It's a farm tool. It's on the cover of children of the corn. Okay. If that helps.

A Sith is what the Grim Reaper holds. Oh. I knew there was an example of this that I could be like, that's it. Yeah, the grim reaper holds us it. Cool. So yeah, Andre has threatened Schlittenbauer. That's no joke. Schlittenbauer is really fun to say.

Schlittenbauer. Schlittenbauer. That sounds like a swear. It does. It's like Schlittonbauer. Well, I'm going to start saying that. Oh, Schlittonbauer. That's a really good one.

I like it. Schlittew. Feels good. It feels good coming up. Schlittew. Schlittu is a good one too. Schlittonbauer you. So obviously the marriage was not going to happen.

Bummer. It appeared more and more that Andreas was Joseph's father. Uh-oh. But Victoria demanded child support from Schlittenbauer after Joseph was born in July 1919. Once she had the child support happening because he was denying this kid, but then he was like, okay, if it's my kid, I'll pay. Right. Now, some sources, we know that the gruber's were pretty wealthy. Oh, they were.

pretty wealthy farmers. Okay. Schlittenbauer, some sources say he had a little money, and then some say, like, he wasn't poor, but he wasn't like a lot of money. So either way, he didn't have as much money as the Grueger's did. Now, so she got the support from Schlittenbauer happening. As soon as the payments started coming in, she switched guardianship of Joseph into Andreas's name. Oh. Yeah. And refused, basically refused him seeing Joseph Schlittenbauer. Now, that same year, Schlittenbauer made a formal statement to the police saying that Andreas was Joseph's father.

Uh-oh. Gruber was arrested for this. Andreas was arrested for this. So many things. And he was held in custody for two fucking weeks. And then he was released because Schlittenbauer withdrew his statement. Because he was probably scared. Well, at first it wasn't really clear why he would retract that statement, because it was

true. Like, it seems like it's true. There's no official thing that says it's true, but everybody thinks it's true. But he later said it was because Victoria's family paid him to take it back. Oh. But by the time he made this claim that they paid him, the Gruber's were already dead. So nobody can confirm it. Right.

Now, Schlittenberg, Bauer, soon after the, after he wasn't able to marry Victoria and all this shit happened, he pieced out. He married another woman. And he still lived right next door to them. He just married another woman had a kid. So that sucks. So like rest in peace, but this family is a bunch of messy bitches. Yeah, there's a lot going on here already.

They're messy, messy bitches. So now the maid that died alongside the family, Maria Baumgardner, she was actually a new maid. So new, in fact, that she had just arrived that day. She died her first jet. Not even just her first day. within hours of coming to the farm. She didn't even work a full day. That's so sad and horrible.

When they found her, which we'll get into later, her shit wasn't even unpacked. So she literally hadn't even started working. She hadn't even started working. So that's a bummer. That really sucks. The reason they got a new maid was because the old maid quit

for kind of strange spooky reasons. Uh-oh. The previous maid was certain that the farm was haunted. Oh. And she claimed to hear footsteps in the attic. She felt like she was always being watched by something. She was claiming to hear voices.

And Andreas just thought she was a dumb, dumb and was like, you need to leave. He's like, you know what, bitch? Get out of here. He was like, you're crazy and like, I need to focus on my own crazy. So like, you need to leave. Yeah. I think that's how. There's too much crazy going on here. Exactly how it went. He just, he said that. Verbatim. Direct quote. Bitch you crazy, but I got focused on my own crazy. So you need to leave. Also, you would dumb dumb. Also, you would dumb dumb. So she was let go. And now the days before the murders occurred, shit got weird. So the old maid left, and she was like, I'm not dealing with this shit anymore.

Now, there was a snowstorm days before the murders. Andreas was looking around outside, probably like checking on the animals and shit. Right. He later told neighbors that while he was doing this, he found very clear footsteps in the freshly fallen snow that led from the forest to the house, but not back. Like, bye. Like someone came into the house, but they didn't leave. And he wasn't fucking alarmed by that shit?

Well, he was. So someone, so everyone in the house was like, we didn't leave those because clearly none of us have been outside. Ooh. And he knew he didn't leave them. So he searched the entire property and he didn't find anything. That's fucking weird. That same night, he heard noises in the attic.

Did he go up there? He said, according to some people, he went up, according to some, he was just like, whatever that that maid got into my head. Oh, shit. Now, he relays all of these things that I'm going to tell you to various neighbors. Oh, shit. So there's a lot of people that confirm that this was happening. This is wild.

Right? So on March 25th, 1922, which is again days before the murders, a little girl named Sophie Fuchs, I think it is, Fuchs. Fuchs. Let's say Fuchs. I like Fuchs. That's how I say fuck sometimes. I literally go Fook. I got it from one of my friends.

It's true. So we'll say Fuchs. Yeah. And her mother were walking in the woods near Hinter-Kifek. Randomly, they come across Victoria, and she's sitting on the side of, like, a little, like, dirt road. Casual. Crying and shaking uncontrollably. So they try to help her and ask her what the hell is going on.

And the only thing they can get out of her is she repeatedly said she needed to run away. Uh-oh. And she was a grown-ass woman at this point, 35. Like, girl, just leave. Like, you can leave. Like, go ahead and take your kids and leave. So that's weird. Nothing came out of it, though.

They got her to go home. She went home. So March 30th, a day before the massacre, Andreas noticed that there was some scratch marks on the family's tool shed. It appeared that someone had tried to break into or possibly successfully broke into the toolshed and left like a ton of marks around the lock. So it was very clear that they were like trying to get in there with something. In that tool shed was the item that would later be used to massacre the family.

An axe. He also confided in a neighbors that he also, that same day, found a newspaper in the house. Some people say it's on the front porch. Some people say it's in the house. One that they didn't buy or subscribe to in that house. Like, why didn't you get the fuck out? Well, this is weird because they didn't have, like, newspaper delivery boys back then that were just, like, throwing newspapers on. Right, like, somebody...

If that newspaper was in that house, somebody had to go into town and buy that newspaper. Yeah. And none of them did. So that same, again, that same day, now this is a day before the murders. One of the old, there was two keys for that house that they had, two copies. Right. One of those copies went missing. So that's no good.

So then you move. But where? Far away. And this happened the day before the murders. You just go on the Oregon Trail at that point. Go on the Oregon Trail when you're in Germany. Yep. Okay.

You find it. I'd be. You just. just pack up and head on over to the orcline's what you do you go forge a river you die of dysentery yeah you trade some oxen you stop at the general store and buy some i was trying to think of something else to say from that but some peptobismo i remember that that's part of the original game for sure yeah oh i love that game wow the game was so good this is so fucked up yeah this is some serious tea you're spilling, bitch. I'm saying. As Ash said that, she just took a sip of her drink, like,

girl. I did. I needed a refreshment. So, on top of all this, another thing. He also claimed to neighbors that he had seen a man standing at the edge of the forest staring at his home. Like, why didn't you leave? Also corroborated this, saying she saw that too. Now, the day of the murders, Andreas found that straw had been spread all over the attic. Like someone would have put it there, like, maybe even to, like, stop a makeshift bed or something? Or to, like, stop you from hearing footsteps even. So someone was just camping the fuck out up there? It might be. And later that day, Victoria and her mother went shopping in town, and they told several people of these strange things. And then they were like, okay, we're going to go back home now.

So again, a lot of accounts of this. Like, people are like, yeah, they told me that shit. And again, Andrea spoke a lot to neighbors of all these things, so they all were aware. Now, Friday, April 1st, Cazilia, the seven-year-old, was absent from school. Okay. Around noon that day, two coffee salesmen arrived at the farm, which coffee salesmen, like, come to my house. I want that. Like, I'll take it.

I'll take five. Like, I will take it. Yes, give me it. Whatever you got. I'll take five. Thank you. For sure. All right.

I'm glad we've cleared that up. Yeah, we're on the same page here. These two coffee salesmen said they got no answer from knocking at the door and it appeared no one was around. Because everyone was dead. Pretty much. So that evening, a neighbor named Mikkel or Michael, I can't, Mikkel. Probably Michael. Michael. Michael. Michelle. I don't know.

Michael. Michael. Michael. Michael. Plokal. Pass Tintr Kifek on his way home. The place was super quiet, but he noticed that there was smoke coming from the chimney, but there was a strange odor of burning fabric. Which was dead people. No. Right? What I think is that whoever killed them burn their clothes in the, burn their own clothes in the fire, because they would have been covered in blood.

Oh. Which we'll see why later. He also saw a figure lurking around the courtyard of the farm, and that figure suddenly shined a flashlight straight into his eyes. Oh my God. Peace the fuck out. I would run. Because it gave him the fucking hebes. Like, he was like, five.

Like, I have the hebes. So he definitely had the hebes. Whoa. Now, April 2nd. This is some shit, man. No, and it's like, stress to me. I know what happens and it's stressing me out. So April 2nd, the grubbers were not in church, which is, was not, was something that was super strange.

Right. Other things could be explained away because they were kind of like, Ricklusses, but they went to church. And Victoria sang in the choir, so that was like a big deal, because she never missed a choir performance before. Okay. And isn't it funny that they were like good church-going family, but they also were incest, Yes, yeah. Like, it's just, I'm like, that seems like a conflict of interest. That sure does.

But I mean, whatever. So, Michael, another super close neighbor named Michael Pole, noticed that that day, Hinter-Khefeck was very silent. And he didn't even hear the family dog or any of the farm animals. Does the dog die? No. Okay, then. I'll just go ahead and tell you guys that.

Thank you. April 3rd, the mailman came with the mail. He didn't see it or hear anybody, but the kitchen door was open, so he was like, oh, I'm assuming they're just in another part of the farm. But he did notice that their mail was stacking up. And he was like, I don't know, maybe they just went somewhere for a couple days and they're back, I don't know. Right. April 4th, a man named Albert Hoffner, who was hired to repair an engine in the food shopper on the farm, arrived there. He said he approached the house, and he heard the dog, which was a Pomeranian park.

Okay, okay. So he was like, the animal was shut up in the stable. which was weird, but he was like, oh, I don't know. Otherwise, everything else was silent. No one answered the knock on the front door. But in the distance, he saw a man in the fields who he was like, oh, it must be a worker on the firm. Okay. Because, like, who gets a shit, right?

Like, I'm just here to fix shit. Like, I don't care who that is. I'm just going to do this. So he decided, he spent the next, like, four and a half hours working on that engine on the thing he was supposed to fix. And what was the guy doing? And he said the guy was just out in the field. He didn't notice what he did afterwards because he wasn't paying. He was like, oh, it's a worker.

I'm not going to follow what he's doing. Uh-huh. Now, when he finished, he returned to the house, and he saw that the barn door was now open. Which, again, is not weird because somebody was there. So he was like, the barn door was now open, and the dog was now tied up outside of the home. Okay. So someone was there, clearly. Yeah.

Everything changed. He did say the dog was very upset, barking and growling, like, really angry. Oh, poor dog. So he was like, oh, that sucks. He also noticed that the dog did have. have a gash across its face. But it was like functioning. Like it didn't seem like it was.

That's rude. Right? That is rude. So he was like, that's weird. I'm sorry about your gash. Bye. And then he went up to the door and he dropped again.

And there's no answer. I think, again, I'm taking these things verbatim. He just knelt down next to the dog and was like, hey there, buddy. I'm sorry about your gash. Bye. And walk to the door.

That's literally what happened. Again, verbatim. Totally. I'm just reporting the facts here. Is good. Tog German? Guten tog? Yeah.

That means good morning. Is that Guten talk? Guten tog. So he knocked again, no answer. The door was locked. He found it all pretty fucking weird, like this whole thing. He was like, it was kind of weird. But he was like, he was going to get the fuck out of here.

And so when he left, he actually went to Schlittenbauer's house, the neighbor there, that had the relationship with Victoria. What was Schlottenbauer doing? And he mentioned all the weird shit to him and the fact that the family of appeared to be absent, but the farm was still working, like happening. And he told several other people about this. None of them seemed too concerned. They were like, well, the farm's still going. Like, maybe they just didn't want to talk to you.

They're dicks. Like, I don't know. Like, I don't know. Like, what to tell you. But Schlittenbauer was like, what the fuck. So Schlottenbauer immediately ordered his two sons, Johann and Joseph, not the two-year-old, clearly. Yeah.

To go to the farm, Hintechife, and see. what was going on. What the fuck we're Schlittenbauer doing? Well, he's, I don't know. I don't know, man. I have a theory about this, but I'll come to it later. He didn't want to get his DNA up all in there? Well, I don't know. Well, that wasn't really, like, in 1915. But I like it. I like where your heads are. Yeah, I'm a fucking detective, all right? I like it. So they went to the farm, they soon returned and said, the place is silent, it's locked up, and everything's dark. Like, that's all we found. Oh. No, like we can't. I don't know what you want to say. That's all we got. Dad.

Like, sorry, Dad. So when he heard this, he was like, hmm. Why is it locked up? So he went to his other neighbors, Michael Pol, the one who walked by at that time and saw the weird shit. Yeah. And another one named Joseph Siegel. And he told them of this whole thing.

Okay. They all were like, let's go. Because I think Michael Pol was like, you know what? I saw some weird shit the other night. Like, something's going on. Something's weird. So they all went to the fireman investigated. When they got there, the barn door was wide open.

Again. So they were all like, let's go in there and see what the fuck's going on. Because somebody's obviously here. Right. So what they saw in there is fucked up beyond belief. The maid. No. No?

What'd we see? Andreas, the elder Cazilia, Victoria, and seven-year-old Cazilia's bodies were in the barn. They'd all been hacked to death ruthlessly. Oh, no. All of them had been haphazardly stacked upon each other in covered in hay. What the fuck? Weirdly. upon seeing this, Schlittenbauer immediately started unstacking them to the other, and the other

searches were like, what the fuck? Like, what do you do it? They were like, why are you touching a crime scene for, and why, how are you just touching dead bodies that have been like hacked apart? He responded, I'm looking for my son, I'm looking for my boy. Oh. So Joseph is not in, little two-year-old Joseph is not in that sack. People noticed that not only was he very quick to do this, but he.

He was not grossed out by it or like phased about this. Like he wasn't emotional. He was just kind of like, I'm looking for my boy. So they were like, that's weird. Now Schlittenbauer runs to the back door of the house where he sees the missing set of keys still in the lock. Huh. He walks inside the home and easily finds two-year-old Joseph, trigger warning, hacked to death in his crib. Aw.

The maid was dead in her room with her suitcases still packed, like I said. Poor thing. He didn't need to search for these rooms, which was weird, because he had only been at this place twice before. That's weird. So the first two rooms he went to. He just knew his way around, according to everybody. They were like, he knew exactly where he was going. Because he was in the attic.

He also was observed as being, still being weirdly stoic, even upon finding baby Joseph. His supposed son. Now, no money, jewelry, or valuables were stolen from the home. And there was a lot of money and a lot of jewelry. and a lot of jewelry and shit in that house. Nothing was touched. It wasn't ransacked, nothing. The only things missing were the contents of Victoria's purse, like slash wallet,

which was found empty on her bed. So that's strange. That is weird. Now even stranger, meat was found to have been very recently carved from a livestock carcass in the cellar. Why is that weird? So during the period of the murders, a few days earlier, and the discovery of the bodies, someone had hung around that house eating meals, caring for animals, caring for the farm, and literally were making meals for themselves, carved up the livestock carcass, like literally ran the farm and hung out, ate, like, stayed there.

Yeah, that's weird. So whoever killed them, literally stuck around and, like, fed the animals, took care of the animals, took care of the farm, made meals for himself. Like, who the fuck does that after? With the body still in the house. Yeah. Like, what? Now, food scraps and human waste were found in the hayloft of the barn, which suggests that shit was going on up there before the murders happened. Oh, shit.

Like, somebody was lurking in that home before. And, like, all that shit they were hearing and seeing and the maid was seeing and stuff could have been the murders literally camping out in that place. What? There were also loose tiles in the roof, like shingles, in the roof of the barn, that would have enabled whoever was in that loft to move it aside and have a clear view of the courtyard in the house to see who was coming in, who was coming out, what was going on.

What? Yeah. So as for the sequence of events that the investigators came up with after this discovery, it was speculated that Andreas, the elder Cazilia, and seven-year-old Cazilia, were somehow lured to the barn. Right. This could have been, and they were killed one by one. So this could have been like an animal was making,

noise so one of them went out like Cazalia went out. They were killed. Maybe Andreas went out to check. They were killed. Older Cizelia was like, what the fuck? Where's Andreas? Went out there. She was killed. And then seven-year-old Cazilia was like, where's like, where's my parents? And then

went out and she was killed. And then after they were killed, the murderer or murderers killed the maid and butchered little Joseph in his crib. Now, Andreas and Elder Cazalia were in pajamas. younger Cazilia and Victoria were dressed in clothes. Okay.

Now, this would suggest that Victoria and her seven-year-old daughter, Cazilia, were killed first. And that Andreas and Elder Cazia went out to the barn afterwards after they were getting ready for bed. Oh, okay. Then. Okay. That does suggest that, because why else would they be in clothes and the older two would be in pajamas? There was also, like, a huge cow. wandering loose in the place, which that cow wouldn't be wandering.

It would be like in a pen somewhere, you know? Yeah. So when they saw that, they were like, maybe that cow was cut free to lure them outside. Because maybe Andreas or Cazilia, the older one, was like, hey, Victoria or a little Cazalia, can you go get that cow back where it needs to go? Oh, okay. And that would lure them outside. And then they got ready for bed and then they were like, why are their back yet? So.

And I'm sure Andreas would have been like, well, fuck, I need to beat the shit out of them, so they need to come back in. Oh, yeah, exactly. Again, verbatim. So, after discovering all this, Schlittenbauer, this is another weird thing with Schlottenbauer, after he discovered all the bodies and everything, he stayed at the farm and sent the other two to get the police. Why?

And while he waited, he fed the pigs, which is just weird and cold. Yeah. But it's also that, and I just want to look at it from both sides. that can also be shock and just like, well, I need to do something. You know what I mean? Because I've also, there's another case of a whole family being slaughtered that we are going to cover. It's an insane one and I can't remember the details of it right now.

But the little, it was like a younger boy who was left and it was a farm, like a secluded farm. I was in America. I know that. And when the police got there, I think it was the younger boy or a young girl, young kid who was left. When the police got to this place, the kid was like, I need to feed the animals.

And like that was the first thing he thought of. And that's your whole entire life. And the police were like he was just like tunnel vision. Like this is what I do. I need to feed the animals. And it was like his whole. So maybe that is a possibility that someone can just be like, I just need to keep this running. Now, I don't think that's the case with Schlittenbauer, but I want it off of that other.

Just be devil's out of here. Yeah, I was just going to say that. Now, police soon arrived on the scene. and they also brought another group of police from Munich who arrived a few hours later because this was such a big deal. Now, of course, the word spread super fast around the community

because it's kind of a small, like, tight-knit community. Right, and this is fucking bananas. Exactly. And people started showing up to the farm to see for themselves. Oh, you know. Which I would say, like, shit is wild in Germany. That's crazy.

But, like, people do that everywhere. Like, it's just, it's like, it's like, you know, like, people are just morbidly, curious to see those things. Plug. Morbid. But unfortunately, these weirdos tromped all over the crime scene. Just like the Lake Bodom murders. Yeah. Like likely contaminating shit.

And like they also, people went in the fridge and like made snacks. That's fucked up. Because again, nobody liked these people. So I don't think these people were coming to mourn and be very sad for this family. I think they were like, well, they were shitty people. Like let me grab a sandwich. horrible. Like, I think it really is, that's the case. I couldn't do that. Of course, there wasn't a lot of evidence to begin with, so I don't think this made that huge of a difference.

But still, it's there. They weren't going to get a whole lot of evidence out of this anyways, because it was 1922. Exactly. But now, there's a strange thing that the dog, who is still tied up outside, was very interested in Schlittenbauer. Huh? He was barking furiously at him. Like, bitch, you're back? Like, clearly angry. Schlittenbauer later tried to say this was because he still had victim's blood on his shoes, and that was upsetting the dog. Uh. Which is possible. But still.

It's still weird. One put with everything else. Now, the family's autopsies were conducted by court physician John Johann Baptist, Um, Mueller, and whoa, shit is bleak. Uh-oh, what happened? So, the murder weapon was decided to have been a mattock, which is a pickax type. Oh, fuck. The elder Cazelia had seven blows to the head, which,

left her with a just demolished skull. Yeah. The face of her husband and Andreas was demolished as well. His cheekbones actually like protruded out of his face. Oh my God. Because it was just shredded. Victoria's skull was super smashed up. Her head showed nine star-shaped wounds on the right side of her face.

And she had been hit with a blunt object. Yeah. She also was the only one who showed signs of strangulation, which is a very intimate out. angry and very intimate like you have to look somebody in the eye as you're doing that and you have to be very close to them yeah you have to put your your actual physical hands around their neck it's like super super normally strangulation is reserved for people who know someone yeah personal so that's interesting now the younger seven-year-old kazelia's lower jaw had been shattered and her face and neck were covered in gaping circular wounds oh now this

is really bad this next thing. So just like trigger warning to everybody. Uh-oh. I don't know, I don't even know what kind of trigger warning to give you. Like, it's just, this is upsetting. So. Now, it seemed to the pathologist that while the elder Cazilia, Andreas, and Victoria likely died very instantly from their wounds. She didn't. The younger Cazia had actually remained alive likely for several hours after the attack. Oh, my God. In fact, when she was found, Schlittenbauer confirmed that she was, had clumps of hair clasped in her fist, her own hair. So it was determined that she was there,

lying next to her dead grandpans and mother, who she had watched to get murdered, ruthlessly. And she had ripped and torn her own hair out of her head, probably from sheer, like, terror. Terror? Like, she was literally lying there for hours, ripping hair out of her head. Oh, my God. And I'm wondering, I'm trying to think of, like, what this could accomplish for her. Like, why she, like, I understand agony, terror, all that.

Right. But, like, then I was thinking about it, and I was, like, think about it. When you, like, stub your toe or, like, hit your knee or hit your funny bone or something, sometimes you try to, like, relocate the pain because it hurts so bad. Yeah. That you almost try to, like, like, you'll hit a table with your hand or something like that. And it's almost trying to, like, get that pain away from what you just did because it's, like, fuck, this hurt so bad.

So I'm wondering if she was literally doing that to get the pain away from where it was hurting the most. Because she was, like, mostly in her neck area. So I'm like wondering if that was just part of it. I mean, that's a good guess. And that's just me. I don't think it's not really important. But it's just me trying to think of like, I'm just curious about why people do things like that. So it's like, I just thought that was maybe what happened.

Either way, it's fucking awful. And she's seven years old. That's horrible. And she watched her grandparents and mother get literally pickax. Yeah. Next. Now, Maria Baumgardner, the maid, was killed by like cross blows. the head, like boom and then boom over the other side. And Joseph was mortared by just one heavy blow

to the face with the pickax. Just opened up his face, unfortunately. That's horrible. Now, while the bodies in the barn were just like covered with hay, Maria was covered up with her own sheets. And Joseph was covered up by draping one of their mother, his mother's dresses or like skirts on top of him. Uh-huh. So that's weird. And then that kind of shows, especially like Joseph. Like sympathy? Yeah. Well, no, not sympathy. None of these people, when they, like, none of these people ever have sympathy, people who do these things. It's always, like, a personal thing.

Like, you had some kind of personal, like, relationship with the person or something. It's not sympathy. It's more just, like, some weird, some conscious. I don't even know how to explain it. I see what you even know. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, I don't know how to explain it, but it's like...

Connection. Yeah. In some way. Like, some weird twisted-ass way. Because it's like he didn't claim Joseph as his own. So that's what's weird. He did not claim him as his own. Maybe in his mind, though, he had some doubt.

Yeah. It's like, I don't know. So all of the animals had remained fed and cared for, and all remained unharmed aside from the gash on the dog's face. Which I wonder, maybe that was accidental. Well, I was just going to say. I think that occurred accidentally. The dog must have been, like, trying to protect. Maybe he was trying to protect, and he just got nicked by it.

You know what I mean? And they weren't concerned with the dog, so they just went to town. Yeah. The mattock that was missing from the shed was used in the attack, and it was missing. Like, not, they didn't find it. It was farmed. It was farmed. So, it was farmed. So it was farmed. It was farmed. It was farmed on the found. It was farmed on the found. So that's good. No, the farm was torn down a year after the murders in 1923, because it had remained abandoned. So they're not just going to leave it there. No, but they hadn't left it to anybody. It wasn't going in any, but it was just fucking creepy. The town was like, please make it stuff.

So the family was kind of hated So they were like, get this shit away Like we don't want to look at it anymore When it was torn down That's when the mattock was actually found Where did they find it? They found it beneath a false floorboard Next to the fireplace

So someone had very like intentionally done it Weirdly enough the mattock that was used Was actually built by Andreas Oh So that's something Because if the killer does know this family They know that he made that And now he's using it against his whole family

So before these murders, this is just a little aside, Victoria had emptied her bank account. Do you think maybe this is another stupid assumption, but do you think that maybe they were in clothes because she was? Well, no, because they didn't have the baby. I was thinking that they were going to run away, like her and the younger. Yeah, so you'd think that, but she didn't have the baby. Yeah. Right. And there was no indication of like them. Packed bag or anything. Yeah, like nothing. I think it was literally just that they went out before they had a chance to get in their pajamas. Yeah. And the other two waited around. But so she emptied your bank

account. Yeah. And she put 700 gold marks in the church that they attended. And when they found it, this was like, I think a few days or weeks before the martyrs. They found it and they like asked her about it. And she was like, oh, it's for missionary work. Oh. But they were like, that's weird

that you just like emptied your bank account. And the rest of the money was in the house. That is weird. So that's just weird. For sure. So, they were super stucer. I don't know. So they were super about all this. They knew how they all died, but they were just like, what the hell we don't have anything else?

And he leads. So what they did was, they beheaded the entire family and sent the heads off to be analyzed. Why? Who knows? Like, what could be determined by this? Well, they did this, but they didn't send them to some, like, medical research lab to be analyzed. They sent them to a clairvoyant. You're fucking with me. They were that desperate that they were, like,

somebody just look at these severed heads please now there's a book and i'm going to butcher this it's called hinserk hyphenis mr rosen verbreckens by author peter leshner okay he was the one who wrote about all this stuff and he said that basically the investigators just let these people handle the heads and determine whether they had any metaphysical clues. Okay. This one psychic did come back and say there were two killers and that the murder weapon was hidden on the

property. Okay. So that's, I mean, I think it's a bunch of bullshit, but... You never know. That's interesting. Now, the heads was even more interesting. The heads were lost in World War II because the building in Nuremberg where they were being

housed was bombed. So the family was buried without their heads. They're in fucking coffins right now. Headless. That's horrible. Isn't that spooky as fucked? Spooky and horrible. Now, there is a memorial to the family at the site.

The old house. And we're just going to go into the suspects now. Okay. I know who did it. Schlittenbauer. It's Schlittendenbauer. Now, remember, no one likes this family. So the police probably hated them too.

Okay. Especially because they know they were arrested and put prison for incest. Right. So the motive was clearly not burglary. So it wasn't somebody random who's floating through and just wanted to deal. Well, and there was all this weird shit about the attic and whatnot. Yeah. And they even stayed behind and took care of the farm, which it shows some kind of connection to the farm. Yeah. And it's like, did they, did they just like know this farm and they wanted to keep these animals going? Or it's like what? Or did they do this because they wanted to make sure nobody thought anything was amiss at this farm.

If they kept the farm going and smoke coming out of the chimney and everything going, that could grow long their getaway, basically, because people are going to think everything's fine, so no one's going to sniff it around. Yeah, so maybe they did that because they were really fucking smart. Yeah. Like in the worst way. So the first suspect is Lauren's Schlittenbauer. Right.

He's clearly the murderer. He was the first guy on the scene, which is never a good... Never good if you're a suspect. Nine times out of ten, that's a bad thing. He was super pissed at this family. He was paying child support for a fucking incest kid that wasn't his. He got into physical altercations with Andreas. He even reported them to the police for incest.

And now, about three days before the murders, his own infant child had died unexpectedly. Oh. I don't think he did that. But for a few days, his wife and other kids can't account for where he was. Oh, shit. For days. He just wasn't around. And, like, they didn't even, they were like, yeah, we just don't know.

He wasn't around. Like, you think they would have came up with a damn story? Well, that's the thing. And it's like, then they were like, no, we don't know. We don't have anything. So I wonder if he's like, his infant son dies or child dies. And then he's looking at these people and he's like, they're trying to claim that this is my fucking son. But then they make me pay for it.

Don't let me see him. And also transfer the guardianship into fucking Andreas's name. Like he was probably pissed Yeah, he was just really mad And then it's also Because it's like why kill the whole family Why kill everybody? Because you kind of have to

It might be for witnesses Because like you can't leave any witnesses Or it's because he probably looked at them Was like you're disgusting The incestness Like all of you He probably thought it like They were all tainted

But why kill the baby? And I think he just was like That's a product of incest I'm not saying he's in the right mind No, but still. Now, and he probably knows, like everybody else did, that there were kids in that house that didn't even make it to adulthood. Yeah.

So he might be thinking, I'm doing everybody a favor. Yeah, made himself a hero. And it's weird that Victoria had stuff taken. It was the only one who had stuff taken from her. And she had the more personal injuries than anyone else. Truth. Now, after the murders, he was asked about them, and he said something along the lines of God's hand was involved.

evolved here, they were bad people. So he was like, P.S. So he's literally justifying it being like, God told me too. Because they were bad people. So like, whoever did it, God told them to. Yikesy. It's like, cold as fucking ice. Like, yeah. What? Even if you didn't do it, it's like, dude. Maybe don't say that. Like, chill. No, combine all of this with how he was with the bodies upon immediately finding. Super chill. Weird. And he also. And he knew his way.

around. And he might have said I'm looking for my son when he was unstacking those bodies to throw people off. Exactly. Which was another smart thing. And when he was questioned, they claimed, they claimed the investigators, well, like, we're going to let him go because he doesn't have a motive. What? Like, he has more motives than you can fucking conjure up. He has a hole on the motive. Like, are you kidding me right now? And I think he, I don't think he thought Joseph was his. I don't think there's any point where he's and I think that's really what this all vinges on is he was being nailed for this kid he knew not only was that not his kid because I don't think he would have given a shit if it was some other guy's kid but it's her father's incest kid so it's like really

fucked up he's being nailed for this paying for this child that is a product of incest and that Victoria is going along with Andreas I think that he's just like fuck all of you exactly so I think it's show and then the poor mermaid was just there. Exactly. A poor girl. Like, that's a bummer. Now, there is another intriguing story.

I don't think that... I'm just going to give you a couple more suspects, but like, I think they're bullshit. Okay. Another suspect was, like we said before, the dead husband, Carl. Yeah, that makes no fucking sense. And they were like, well, maybe he was the guy that they saw standing at the edge. Because I think at one point, they said the guy that was standing at the edge of the forest looking at the house that they saw. Yeah.

Somebody claimed that, I think Victoria claimed he looked like he was wearing a military uniform. Okay. So they were, of course, were like, whoa, maybe he didn't die in action. Maybe he just went, like, you know, A ball. Why would he kill all of you? And he came back and was pissed that you had moved on and had another kid. And, like, no, I don't think so. Didn't mourn him, and that's why.

And then his comrades in war were like, no, we watched him die. Like, he's definitely dead. Like, thanks for dishonoring him, though. So that's not a thing. But then there was a weird story that the former maid, whose name I believe is Kresna's Rager. She was like real pissed about getting fired. I think she told police that during her time at the farm,

a neighbor named Joseph Thaler had tried to seduce her. The maid? The maid said this about one of the neighbors. Uh-huh. And she said that he seemed to know the layout of the house very well. which was weird to her. And this guy who was trying to seduce her, Thaler, also told her that he knew that Andreas hit a lot of money around the farm.

And he knew exactly where this money was. But that doesn't matter because the money wasn't taken. And Thaler and his brother were, and I think his brother's name was Andreas too, they were known burglars. But if they had done it, they would have taken all the fucking money that was there. Exactly. But some months before the murders, Andreas Gruber had caught them attempting to steal from the farm.

And he chased them off with a rifle. In a year or two after the Grubers were killed, a relative of the Thaler brothers warned this maid, this former maid, that if she continued to talk shit about them, that they were going to kill her. Well, maybe they were just like a crazy fucking family. And they were just like shut the fuck up about our family.

Because they're burglars. So they would have taken all the shit there? As far as I could tell, they didn't murder people. people and it's like their burglars, they came to the farm once before to burglarize you. Yeah. They didn't steal shit from you. And now they're just like, okay, shut up, bitch. We didn't kill them. Exactly. So I think now they're just getting pissed after a year, a couple years later,

like the family is like, okay, like shut the fuck up. They didn't do it. We're going to kill you. Like, oh, I'm going to kill you. So I think that's bullshit. So those are really the only suspects that there's, there's a bunch more that are just like. So Schlittenbauer, though. So Schlittenbauer is it though. He's the only one that has everything. Did he like stay married and everything? Well, he did. And then in 2007, he was still a motherfucking live? No. I was like, how? The first in Feldbrook Police Academy took this case on as a cold case. Wow, that's a fucking cold case. Obviously, there was a lot of missing evidence, and it was like super basic forensic techniques back then. They were unable to conclusively identify the murderer, but they did all agree on who they

believed it was. And they all said Schlittenbauer. Out of respect for surviving family members of people related to the crime, they will not release who they think it was. But at this point, everyone kind of thinks it's Schindbauer. How is that even respectful? Well, because they don't know for sure. So they don't want to name Schlittenbauer and be like, we came up with it. This is him. This is our theory. Because if he didn't do it, then they're shaming his name. Then they're shaming his name. Yeah. Which is what we're doing right now. But currently.

Currently, right the second. Currently being hell of disrespectful. He did it. Yeah. I mean, and if he didn't do it, you need to get your shit together. Right. Right. A fool.

Crazy. You acted a fool after these murders. Like, and it's like. You can't just willy-nilly throw those bodies everywhere, pretend to be looking for shit. Get it together. This family is a bunch of messy bitches, but like, that's a, It doesn't mean you have to be messy. You don't need to be messy with this.

Get out the mess. So that is the murders at Hintr Khyfeck. That was a fucking doozy. A roller coaster ride. Whoa. And I mean, again, I don't think it's ever going to be officially closed. That reminds me of the movie, you're next when they find the pee in the closet. And they're like, yo, somebody has been like spooking us out.

That movie is so good. Yeah, that's a good ass movie. Go watch it right now. We watched it and we had no idea what we were getting into. And then we were like, what is happening? You need to go watch that movie, everybody. You're next. Yeah, do it.

Do you know what I'm going to see this weekend? That movie, I forget what it's called, but Blake lively's in it. Oh, a simple truth or a simple lie or simple. It's a simple, yeah. It's a simple. Yeah, Blake lively, someone else, another girl. Anna Kendrick. Yep.

Yeah, I like her. It looks good. I don't know. Yeah. It's, oh, a fun little thing. It's almost haunted house season. Fuck, yeah. We're going to contact haunted houses.

We really aren't. And we're going to try to review them because that's fun. Maybe we'll do it on bonus episodes. Maybe we'll throw a bonus episode to everybody. Maybe we can buy a GoPro. Video. And put it on the Patreon so they could see it. How funny would that be?

Because you could hear how I react to things that are scary. Please do your impression. If you guys, okay, we went. It was a haunted hay ride. I was like, okay. So here's this scene. Last year, we went, we like really went on a rage through some haunted houses. And Ash, we were on a haunted hay ride.

And Ash had the greatest reaction to being scared. I don't know how this happened. She, like, she had a very southern bell, like, reaction. I think I was a southern bell in a past life. She literally, like, somebody came at her with a chainsaw, and she went, woo. And she held her hand. over her chest.

Like, oh, like, you gave me a front child. She was getting the vapors. My fragile constitution can't handle this kind of madness. The guy, too, like, paused for a second and was like, yeah, like, that's not the reaction we want. The guy who, like, was driving the hayride was like, what just happened back then? He was like, is someone, like, is the vapors happening right now? I was like, sorry.

But, yeah, it was my favorite reaction. Blanche Devereux just overtook my body. That's exactly it. It was amazing. So if you guys are going to see and shit like that, which you should be. Let us know if that's something you're interested in for a little Patreon bonus or, you know, anything like that. Maybe, yeah. So we're going to do it regardless.

We just want to know if you like it. Yeah, just let us know. Because we're going to go to haunted houses. So we might as well include in the podcast. So yeah, I think it's next weekend that haunted houses start. For realzies? Yeah, I think it's like the 22nd, the weekend of the 22nd. Fuck, I'm going to New York.

That's okay. And we can get on it to next weekend. Okay, cool. Yeah. So, um, yeah. Yeah. Pre-October is almost over. And then do you know what happens? Fucking mother. October, October. Fucking real ass. October.

That reminds me of a funny, a little, very quick, funny story about my children. Please don't skip this because it's really funny. We have little fairy doors in the room. And fairy doors in case people don't have children and don't know what the hell these things are. Basically, you get a little, like, literal fairy door and you put it on their baseboard and you're like, oh my god, fairies just moved into your room. That's bananas. They're going to watch over you and make sure that you're okay. And they're also going to give you little nifty gifies if you're really good. And it keeps your kids awesome. My mother-in-law's best friends went to Scotland

and brought back like authentic Scottish fairy doors because over there, fairies are like serious business. Mom loves fairies. Yeah, my mom loves fairies. Well, she's Irish. So I asked my twin girls, what would you like to name? Like, what do you think you're, fairies names are. One of them is named fairy, fairy, which I think is very on the nose. Did I say that or L? Elle said that. Okay. And I said she would like to name her as David Bowie, David Bowie.

So now when I'm like, oh, did the fairies like leave you, because we leave, it's, you don't get them like a gift gift. You get them like stickers and leave them outside of like little tiny things. Like I left them like a chipsoy cookie. the other day. They bailed out. But so I was like, did one of them leave you a gift? And she was like, um, David Bowie, David Bowie left me a gift.

Like she was like, don't call it just a fairy, okay? Like his name's David Bowie, David Bowie. Yeah, it's David Bowie. Why is like two times? Because the other one's fairy, fairy, fairy. Because the other one's fairy, fairy, I think. So yeah, that's fun. That's hilarious.

I thought that was a funny story. I love that. But, uh, kids are a trip, guys. They're awesome. My kids are hilarious. Oh my God. Wait, maybe that's how we should finish up. now. Like on a really light note,

we could just share something that your kids say. We'll bring it back up. So we'll just share things. Because they say funny shit. They really do say hilarious shit. But yeah, so we're gonna, we're gonna be going for haunted houses. We'll update you guys on that. You're gonna be getting a lot of good shit. Good shit. Yeah. Come in to you.

Merch is coming. I just wanted, I'm very picky. I'm very control freaky. I want to wear merch. This bitch. Yeah. Is type A, A, A, A, A. So I am meticulously trying to find the perfect things that aren't

like janky to send you. Meanwhile, I'd just send you guys janky shit. I should just send you janky shit. I'd send you porch furniture that I stole. Yeah, there you go. They stole from Pita. But, uh, so yeah. So thanks for listening to this craziness. And we're not going to tell you what the next one is

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Avita same. I do. I do. Tell you and you and you. Lock up your pickaxes. Lock your windows, bitch. Stay away from Andreas. Yeah, do that.

Stay away from him. Avita same. Goodbye.