Morbid - Illinois Spooky Roads/Listener Tales MASHUP

Episode Date: December 28, 2020

Hey weirdos! We figured we would grace your ear meat this week with a mashup of spooky roads and listener tales! Alaina tells us about two spooky roads located in Illinois: Bloody Gulch Road and The Devil's Backbone. Then we dive into a couple of Illinois themed listener tales. We’ve got a lady in red, who doesn’t love a game of tag and a camper who makes Wednesday Addams seem like a more desirable bunkmate, I mean wasn’t she anyway? As always, thank you to our sponsors: Everlane: Go to everlane.com/MORBID and sign up for 10% off your first order plus free shipping! Gabi: See how much Gabi can save you. It’s totally free to check and there’s no Obligation! Go to Gabi.com/MORBID. Audible: Visit Audible.com/morbid or text morbid to 500-500 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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That's ANGI, or download the app today. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Alina. And this is Smartpad. It's morbid on the holiday. Yeah, cause the holiday season is over. It's over. I took my Christmas tree down last night. I took every single decoration and put it in the Christmas box that went directly in

my closet. Christmas, you're out of here. You know what, Christmas? See you later, goodbye. See you next year, Christmas. Say, but you know what, it was a really good Christmas. Personally, I had one of the best Christmases and I would just like to offer my condolences to all of you out there who are not related to Elena because this bitch was sitting across from me

on Maccazity couch got me, as if you follow me on any form of social media, you saw that my serotonin levels were boosted, but at an all time high, because she got me a cameo of Lindsay Lohan, telling me that if I shaved my head, I would not look like a finished man. And what else did she say?

That she said Elena's not like a regular mom. She's a cool mom. And she thought that Alina was my mom. She didn't think I was her mom, which was, you might as well be. And then, you, what else did you, you also got me a fucking kitchen aid because you should have a kitchen aid. Thank you. Well, I do now. You're a baker.

A baker. A candlestick maker. A baker extraordinaire. I love you. I cried. And I also got some old, old Greg Mugs. You did. And then you got Annie this bitch over here. Again, if you follow me, I'm her extraordinary. I love you. I cried. And I also got some old, old Greg Mugs. You did. And then you got Annie, this bitch over here.

Again, if you follow me on social media. I killed Chris Smith. So I posted that the Guess Who board that you made. Oh, really? Yeah, because Alaina made a Guess Who board and made it into a drag race. Guess who? Drag race.

She like spray painted the board. Pink made the cards for like different drag race contestants and then put all the tiny little pictures in the slots. And everyone's like, where can I get this? Where do I get one of these? I've seen these and I want one. Where'd you get it? And I'm like,

I'll leave a made this. And everyone's like, what doesn't that bitch do? And I'm like, I don't know. And oh no, you know what? I'm like, I'm like, she doesn't sleep. That's true. I don't know. And oh, no, you know what? I'm like, she doesn't sleep. That's true. I don't sleep.

She does not catch this one thing I don't do. So yeah, that's me bragging about everything that I got from Alina. Annie also got me a record player. Yeah, she did. That's pretty rad. Why did you get for Christmas? I got some really good stuff. Yeah.

You, Ash, got me, which I'm so excited to use. Because we had to have our bathroom fixed because we had a leak under our tub. You Ash got me, which I'm so excited to use, because we had to have our bathroom fixed because we had a leak under our tub. We shook our mouth. It was leaking into our kitchen, so that was fun. But while we're having that fixed, I've been like, you know what,

we're getting like kind of a deeper tub because our tub sucked anyways. And so I was like, I'm looking forward to like taking a bath for the first time in my house. Then we've been in for like almost five years. Anyways, and so I was like, I'm looking forward to like taking a bath for the first time in my house. Wow. Then we've been in like for like almost five years. And I was like, you know what? I would love to have a towel warmer.

And then she was like, I think I'm going to get myself one. I was like, I'm going to buy myself a towel and I didn't because I never do. Like I never buy things that I'm like, I should buy myself that thing. That's more expensive than I normally buy things. I'm like, then I just don't do it. Right. And of course, Ash got me a gosh darn towel warmer. I did!

And I'm so excited to take my first bath with my towel warmer. Whenever I get to get a bath, tell me about the game I got for. It was a gift to Elena for both of us. It's like a murder mystery dinner game and I'm so excited for COVID to be out of here So that we can have a dinner party and have a full-on murder mystery dinner party because I've always wanted to do that It like sets it up for you like all the cards and shitter. Yeah, you get like an envelope with your character in it And oh, we know I love to play a character. I'm so ready. I'm so excited and then John got you John got me

My exercise bike that I really, really, really, really want to. So exciting. I'm so excited. Because I didn't think I was gonna get it because our house is really cramped right now. Yeah. Because let me tell you, three kids is a lot of stuff.

Well, and what was really shitty is that I used to have my own room until like the youngest was born, until she went ahead and got born. God dang it. No, I love her so much. And I sacrificed my room so that she could have a room in her own home. But now I'd like you to get a different house please so that I can have a room again. But I, well, I didn't think I was going to get my exercise bike because we literally didn't know where we put it.

I put it, but he got me one anyways and we're going to figure it out. So now I can bike. Just put it on the front porch. We're going to bike as a family because he got shoes to go with it out. So now I can bike. Yay. Just put it on the front porch. We're gonna bike as a family because he got the shoes to go with it too, so I'm excited. Hell, I might even get some shoes.

So look at 2021. We're off to a good start. We're gonna, yeah, I'm not gonna say word about it. No. It's coming. I saw this thing on Instagram or so I'm shit like that. And it was like, nobody say 2021, or 2021 is gonna be your year. Yeah, don't say it.

Let's all just walk slowly into it and expect the worst. But hold your hands about ourselves. Yeah. You know, have your head on a swivel. Walk in there. You know, be alert. Be alert. Be alert, okay?

We all gotta be careful here. But that's why we figured, you know, this was the holiday week. We were gonna like fully take it off. But then we were like, we felt really not about that. We're not gonna do that. It feels weird to do that. Yeah, it's weird. Maybe next year, though, because you know, I think maybe next year we'll take the week off, just because wow, it's really stressful, but we just wanted to still give you a couple episodes. So we're gonna have this week an Ash's Then Trick episode, which I'm really

excited about, because it's a really good case. Yay. And that's next. Yeah, but this episode, we decided we were gonna do a little mashup, a little remix of spooky roads, slash lists in her tails, because it all started, because I got an email, and I got an email from a girl named Jenna. Hi Jenna. And Jenna wrote me an email about how she lives in, she lives in Illinois. And she told me all about these roads. She gave me like four of them and she was like, they're really creepy. They had crazy ass names and I was like, I gotta do this. Hell yeah. But then we also wanted to do a Listener Tales episode because they're really fun. So we're like, why don't we just mix them together? And here we are. And here we are.

So here we are. Spooky roads, listener tails, mashup. Yeah, we're ready for this. So I'm gonna start out by doing my two spooky roads and then we're gonna go right into a couple listener tails. And the listener tails of that I picked, I tried to pick ones that were from Illinois. Yeah, so we just, so hello, Illinois.

Illinois, this one goes, this one goes out to you, Illinois. This one's for you. What did they say? Oh, hello, Illinois. And then at the end, we'll say, thank you, Illinois. Yeah, all right. So let's start out with a little place, nice little place called Bloody Gulch Road.

Oh, I also, wait, before we start any quick little story of entering forever until I die. So, Elena was at work this morning in the autopsy place. And I think it's called a morgue. Yep, my brain's not working. And I was at home bebop and getting ready for this shit. And she texted me that she was on her way.

And then she texted me again. And I had asked what the roads that she picked were, and but we were having two conversations at once. So she answered the question that I had asked of what roads did you pick, but I had also asked a different question, are you on your way yet? And she was like, would you say bloody, old road?

I said, bloody gulch. I think I said bloody g Gulch and Devils backbone. But before that, you were like, sorry, like I actually just left like Bloody Gulch and Devils backbone. And I was like, yeah, those suck, huh? Like thinking that she was talking about body parts that like took a long time.

And then I was using Bloody as like, ah, the Bloody Gulch. I was like Devils backbone. We're just British now, I I guess and then I was like oh she was answering my other question no those are just roads yeah she was like are you okay I was like there's nothing in your body called the devil's backbone I promise I don't know I don't know where the devil the autopsy or say you know the autopsy place I think it's like an even coffee because I think that this clearly shows that I need it. It was really funny.

But let's, we'll start out with Bloody Gulch Road. Because it's an actual road. It's still called, it's like the street sign says, Bloody Gulch Road. I wonder how many times are your people steel that? So you, right? So you can live, how cool would it be to be like, oh, where do I live?

Bloody Gulch Road. I live on seven Bloody Gulch Road. I would like to live on six, six, six, bloody gold trod. You're like five. Well, funny you say that. Oh. That plays into that.

There is a six, six, six, bloody gold trod. Honey. Look at you. It's where I'm gonna, it's a plot of land I'm about to buy. Look at it. So, no, it's a house. Oh my God.

So, I just keep thinking though, like, what about like a four year old who's like learning their address? We live on bloody gold trod. I like a four year old who's like learning their address? They live in bloody culture road. I love it, man. And it's like what? And it's what's funny is this comes, it's named after an incident that happened on that road. Wow, you would think that you would maybe like not talk about a bloody culture.

Yeah, they really memorialize this heinous murder that occurred on this road. All right. So it's in Dixon, you know, you know, good old Dixon. I do, we know. We're gonna get emails that's like, road. All right. So it's in Dixon. You know, good old Dixon. I do. We know. We're going to get emails that's like, it's Dixon. I'm just going to come. Please don't, don't napperville me.

Don't do it. So Dixon, we know that Dixon won't do it. No. Hello, Dixon. No, do it. So Dixon, it's right off the exit for Interstate 88. The road is actually named from a murder that occurred in 1885.

It's a little old school. You know I love an old school murder. You certainly do. We love an 1800's murder. They're always like, they're just so, they're, they're jazzy. They're gnarly. Yeah.

And they all feel like Cepia toned. They do. They absolutely do. I don't know. So this was in September of 85. Cepia toned murder. Yeah, it's just Cepia toned murder. There was a farmer named James Penrose.

All right, you know? All farmers are named like James, John. Penrose Hill, baby. Penrose Hill. That wine, though. So James Penrose, this farmer, was walking his cattle down the dirt road because you do that. And it was the road that is now, Bloody Gold Road.

Alright. So he allows his cattle to stop to, you know, get some drink or something because it was like little streams on the side of the road. So he's letting them just hang out and there was this little like culvert near a stream. And he said that the cattle stopped, they began to drink, but then all of a sudden they got really spooked and they wouldn't drink anymore. Uh-oh. And they were kind of like alerting him to something going on.

So he was like, what the hell is going on? So he walked over and he doesn't see anything. He's like, this is weird. Yeah. So he just walked home with them to his farm and he didn't really think anything of it. But this happened again. This happened again to a couple of other farmers. They apparently like, ones with like horses and like other animals, they would stop to drink,

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and he, it's same thing happened. And he's like, it's one of the scenes. Yeah, he was like, it's enough is enough. So he comes over, it had recently rained. And so when he looked into the ditch this time, something was sticking out. No, thank you. Because the rain had washed away some of the soil. Right.

What was sticking out was the bloody hand of a human being. Oh. So he contacts authorities right away. It was 1885, so I don't think he pulled out a cell phone. I think he was just like, sheriff? And the sheriff was like, yeah. Oh my god. Because he was probably like right over there.

Or maybe he like rode his cattle to the street. You've rode. He hauled. He's a literal cowboy. He could be. But I'm so stupid that they're called cowboys. They should be called horseboys. Horseboys, I'm saying.

So yeah, so he calls the authority Sheriff, and then they come. And so the Sheriff came and what they found was the badly mutilated body of a 17 year old Bible salesman named Frank Teal. I almost said feel, but it's Teal. You know, you know, Frank Teal, 17 years old. Bible study salesman. Bible study salesman. His throat had been slit open to the point of almost beheading him. He.

His head bore signs of a brutal beating with his skull actually crushed in. Oh my God. And several lacerations all over his head. His arms and hands had clear and extensive defense wounds. He had apparently only come to town a couple of weeks prior from Elgin, and he was staying in like a boarding house,

and he was just trying to sell his bibles and then make some money. So, police immediately went searching for the killer. They pretty quickly focused in on a 22-year-old man named Joseph Moss. Why is that? He was a French Canadian. He barely spoke any English. So, I do wonder if that had something to do with it. They were like, you might be a good scapegoat. Yeah, exactly. 1800s. They don't really have anything to go by. But then there's some other things that you're like, okay, he might have been it. They called him, they were for Dem is Frenchy. That's very rude. Which you were like, okay. That's also what they call somebody on the Real House

wives of New York, though, and that's not his name. So there you go. And he's French. Well, he was actually a farmhand and he was working on a farm that was owned by farmer Julius Lloyd. Julius Lloyd. Julius Lloyd. Julius Lloyd. And this farm was near the grape site. Sure. He was seen by witnesses near the site of the body carrying a shovel and acting strangely. I tried to find out what acting strangely means. No one can really tell me.

I don't know if he was just like walking down the street being like, bap, bap, bap, doobap. Or if he was just walking with a shovel. Maybe he was strange. Trying not to be seen. And like he would maybe give you a weird look if you saw him. Yeah, maybe. I mean, who knows? Maybe he was wearing a color that wasn't allowed. Yeah, that wasn't allowed. Maybe he was not wearing overalls and that was strange. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe he didn't have suspenders on.

He did not have a cap covering his head. I could have been it. I think that might have been it. He didn't have straw coming out of his mouth. Oh, that was it. Hey, straw. That was it. They were like, that's not a farm hand.

No, that's not. He needs to have straw coming out of his mouth. That ain't it. That ain't it. They also said they saw when they picked him up, they saw some stains on his coat, and they just assumed it was human blood. Well, they don't have DNA testing. So they obviously couldn't test it.

They didn't even really know if it wasn't, it was like a dark coat, so they were like, it stains, they don't even know if they're red stains. They're like, that's probably blood. Meanwhile, he just ate hands. He's a farmland. Something greasy that night. And it's like, he's a farmhand. Yeah. Like, that could be literally anything.

That could be cow dung motherfucker. That could be anything. Right. That could just be dirt. We don't know, but they're like, that's good enough for me. I wonder if they even just like attempted to smell it. Well, this is where it gets a little like shaky.

Okay, Joseph. So they went to the farm to pick them up and he was like, can I just quickly have a glass of a drink of water before I leave? Before I leave. And they were like, okay. And so he walked to a nearby well because 1800s and they watched him because he was right there.

And as he walked to it, he tossed something into the bushes near the forest, like tried to be like, fly about it. Yeah, that's real. So of course they search and they found Teal's pocket watch. Okay. So I'm going to go ahead and say that he did it. He did it, I think. So his trial was January 1886.

It was a huge trial. It was like the Casey Anthony trial. It was like people would wait outside to get a seat in this trial. It was like the big ones of today. It's the 1800s. What the fuck else are you gonna do? Yeah, let's go watch this dude get trials.

Get gone. Like let's the 1800s. What the fuck else are you going to do? Yeah, let's go watch this dude get trials. Decal. Let's let's let's make it happen. So it was a huge trial. One of the biggest witnesses on the stand was actually a 12 year old. Oh no. It's a Louis Dixon. I guess he was the great grandson of one of like the founders of Dixon. So of course he's reliable. Yeah, of course he is. And he's 12. He and his friend who was 16 year old James Curran were actually playing baseball in a baseball game Very close to the site. It was close to the roadway and they both said that they saw Moss and Teal walking together on September 12 This was the day that he they found out determined he was murdered on and they said they heard Moss tell Teal that he knew Where he could sell some of his bibles. And that's why they were walking together. It was like in heaven.

So they said they thought Moss was holding a bat and it made sense because he was seen at the baseball game. He could have just grabbed a bat. And it was later determined that the brutal beating Tealhead experienced was from a baseball bat. Oh my goodness. No, just now, yeah. That's like so personal.

Yeah. It's like, like he's just a 17 year old Bible salesman, like what are you trying to do here? Right. So January 27th, 1886, Moss was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison. Okay. While he was in prison, he actually saved a prison

guard's life. He was like 20 something years into his sentence. Saved a prison guard's life when he was attacked by another inmateards life. He was like 20 something years into his sentence. Saved a prison guard's life when he was attacked by another inmate. Wow. The guard later said that Moss had been never been a problem, had been a model prisoner, and he said he believed he was a truly good human being.

He didn't believe that he did it. Wow. Maybe he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. It could have been, it could have, and who knows if that pocket watch thing? These are 1800s, you know, cops saying they saw that happen. No one else saw it happen. Yeah.

And also, maybe that was just like his pocket watch. And we just, yeah, we just don't know. We just don't know. We just don't know. We just don't know. And you know what? And he also could have done it. We just have no idea.

Yeah, I wasn't there. Because maybe he just was, maybe he did well in prison. He was a shipbag who just did well in prison. You just don't know. Yeah, we know people, I mean, fucking Catherine Knight, they call her Nana in prison. Exactly. People get real good in prison. He was a shipbag who just did well in prison. You just don't know. Yeah, we know people, I mean, fucking cathart night, they call her Nana in prison. Exactly. People get real good in prison, I don't know,

because I want to get out of prison. Well, because he saved a prison guard's life, on December 18th, 1911, Governor Deneen commuted his sentence. So he was released on Christmas Day in 1911. Never returned to Dixon. Never saw him again. People think he just went back to Canada, but nobody returned to Dixon. Never saw him again. People think he just went back to Canada,

but nobody really knows. No one ever saw him again. It was never a tale. He said, peace out. Here's the crazy thing too though. Apparently another Bible salesman who worked for the same company Teal did was murdered about two weeks after Teal

while Moss was already in custody. Oh shit. And it was never spoken about in the trial. Why though? Isn't that weird? So a lot of people think Moss was innocent and just kind of like a scapegoat. Yeah.

Because again, he didn't speak a lot of English. She was there. It was kind of easy. He's a farmhand who's really argue this. He's got a new field. He doesn't have time left. He doesn't have time left. He's got a new field.

He doesn't have time left. So you never know. Because nobody ever looked into it. Now, this is really funny. There's a ghost metal band in Dixon called Bloody Gulch named after this. All right. I don't know if you're wondering what ghost metal is. I was, and then I didn't know if I was the only one

not in office. Nope, I didn't know either. I still don't really know, to be honest. Go ahead and Google it for yourself. It's really hard to explain. But I'm like, good for you guys. Is it just... They only created a new genre.

Is it spooky? Metal? I don't know how to explain it. All right. You just gotta listen, dude. So go listen to Bloody Gulch. I'm gonna... So Dixon Band.

Good for them. That's a great name. Bloody Gulch. Can I ask what a Gulch is? A Gulch is like a culvert. Kind of. Like a ditch. Okay, so it's just another word for that. Yeah, it's just a bloody gulch. Chukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukukuk I wonder how many times people call in or like I see a body and there's nothing I know I really wanted that

That's weird There's also this weird legend I couldn't find anything else about it But a couple of people being like oh, yeah, I saw a little girl or like a girl running down the road That there's this like young girl that roams down that road and apparently she was murdered in like an abandoned home You know off the roadway. I couldn't find anything to like substantiate this, but people talk about it, so it is like a weird plot. Now, there is a 666 bloody galt road,

that's an octagonal home. Yes. And the owner said it's very haunted. Yes. So much so that he felt compelled to become an ordained minister to keep himself safe. Wow. Wow. Yes.

So that is a home. I looked it up on Google Maps. I like creeped hard on this person. If you're listening right now, I like scooped right in on your home. But I was like, oh my god, look at this. So I just can't imagine being like, I live at 666, bloody gold road.

I mean, you must be hardcore as fuck if that's where you decide to. You have to be so metal. Yeah. And it's like an octagonal home. Like, that's crazy. An octagonal home would be really cool. Is it an octagonal or octagonal?

Octagonal, I think it is? Octagonal sounds stupid. It does. Octagonal. Octagonal. Don't tell me how it says. It's like hexagonal. Yeah, right.

So maybe it is octagonal. I don't know. It's an octagon-. Yeah, right. Maybe it is octagonal. I don't know. It's an octagon shaped house. Hi, that's all we know. That's one of those words I don't care to know the names, how to say it, whatever. Octagonal. So that is bloody gold road. Wow.

The, and I just think the name alone is pretty rad. So I want to buy that house. Yeah, I really, that house must be a trip. I don't want to move out of my home though. So no, but it house. Yeah, I really, that house must be a trip. I don't want to move out of my home though, so. No. But it's a cool, but it's cool. So the next one I want to talk about is the murder of Mary Jane Reed on the devil's back, near the devil's back bone. That sounds really familiar. It's, now this case I'd never heard of. Okay. It's like, there's only so much information because it wasn't the 1940s, but it's like unsolved. But I kind of want to look into it further.

If I find anything else about it, maybe we'll do a Patreon episode about it or something. If I find more, I just found a really generalized overview of this. So it happened in 1948. 17-year-old Mary Jane Reed met 28-year-old Stanley Skidla. Skidla. Skidla. So they met working together at the Decalbe

Ogle Telephone Company. At the phone book. At the phone book. She was a switchboard operator, which is so 40s, I can't stand it. I love that so much. I can't stand it. I love that so much. I can't handle it. Isn't that like when you ring like the two numbers, then you're like,

can you connect me to my friend's staking the road? It's like you stick a little little things in the slots, a little switchboard. That was really informational, thank you. You know, you know it. Yeah. They have the headset, they stick the things in the little things. They connect you to the person you want to call. They're not a creator.

But they sit there with that switchboard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They stick the things into the slots. They stick the things in the slots, okay? People are like, what happened to you guys over Christmas? It's been holiday. It's the holiday. See, no, it's not.

It's over. Yeah, Christmas has gone to hell. All right. So he, Stanley, was working as a lineman, which my dad was at one point. So I was like, go lineman. I believe my dad was also a lineman, which my dad was at one point. So I was like, go lineman. I believe my dad was also a lineman. Weird. And you know what's even weird, are?

Telephones. This guy was a Navy veteran, which my dad was as well. My dad was as well. So that's really weird. But you know what, my dad is not a Stanley. My father is not either. So it's not him. But I thought that was weird.

You got a don, I got a thumb. I'm like, do a thumb. My but I thought that was weird. You got a don I got a thom I'm we deal with my dad's name is thom I'm his name is teetom THOM but I love calling him thom and he much to his to smake Yeah, he does not love it, but I love it So they immediately dug each other now again she was 17 who's 28 but you know age difference whatever different time different shit I'm not even gonna whatever. She had a thing I feel like in the 40s that happened all the time. She needed a Zadi. There you go So Mary Jane was known as very independent kind strong like not one to take any shit

Hell yeah, she just seemed like a bad aspect. She was she was a switchboard operator She was so she also had big dreams and Photos of her you look at photos very and you're like, oh, you were going to be a star. Like she just has that way about her. Yeah. Very forties, like, pin up the look to her. And it's just like, oh, I would, what I would get to live in that time, right?

So her parents' names were Clifford and Ruth's. The adorable. Adorable. June 24th, 1948. Mary Jane and Stanley were set to go on their first date. So their first date was in Stanley's Buick. They were going to go have, so they went and had some dinner, and then they just went to different like taverns and bars and just had some drinks and like danced and just had

a nice time. They were seen by many witnesses, so they're whereabouts are confirmed in different places. They'd stopped last for the night at this place called the Stenhouse, which is now the roadhouse. It still stands. It's just a different name. It's just a roadhouse. No, just a roadhouse. The roadhouse. That's about. Then they were going to just do some driving and they were going to plan to park at a lover's lane. I was just going to ask you if this was going to be a lover's lane. I was just gonna ask you if this was gonna be a lover's lane. Because of the forties, and that's what they did.

And this lover's lane, weirdly enough, is in that devil's backbone area, which is like what a place for a lover's lane. Yeah, a place called the devil's backbone. It was trying to change its image. Yeah, wait a second. It was trying to have an image makeover. It did, I knew.

So unfortunately, they were last seen at the standhouse and they never came home. Now Mary Jane's mother was of course worried sick. She called police. She told them that she would not just not come home without calling. She never did that. The next morning early, the next morning, a highway worker named John Eckerd was driving down Country Farm Road when he saw a random bloody shoe on the side of the road. And he was like, what the fuck? And of course, he's a highway employee, so he gets

out and he's like, I have to do something about this because I'm a highway employee. And he looks at it and then he happens to notice a body lying not too far off the road. It was Stanley. Oh, Stanley. He was shot a ton of times with what I believe this was a 32 caliber handgun. They found shells at the scene. He was on his stomach and the grass. Oh. A path of streaked blood had showed that he was dragged there. He called, so of course the highway worker called police.

They started a huge search. They soon found his Buick, not far away, and it was the highway worker called police. They started a huge search. They soon found his Buick not far away and it was near the Lubbers Lane, so they were like trying, they were basically parked there. There was no blood in the car, but they did find a cigarette on the floor with a lipstick stain on it. And they were like, that must have been Mary Jane's. Yeah, that's spooky. I know it was in that creepy.

So Mary Jane's parents were informed of Stanley's body being found, but they were told there was no sign of Mary Jane. Right. Now they're obviously a wreck, but now they're hoping you know, is she kidnapped? Does someone have her? Is she alive? Right. Holding out home. Yeah, and some of her family members I think it was her siblings because she had older siblings and younger ones. They went to a psychic during the time that they were way It was only a few days. But they went to a psychic and the psychic said that she was alive and being held in a shack by an older man.

Oh, okay. Now there was a huge multi-county search for her. It was going nuts. So it wasn't until June 29th, a few days later, that Mary Jane's body was found. Oh no. She was seen by a passing truck driver, like who was high up in the truck,

so we could see her. She was in the weeds off the road on Silica Road, which is now the devil's backbone. Uh-huh. She was shot once in the chest. She was wearing brown loafers, a white blouse, and no pants. Oh no.

Her pants were folded neatly and placed on her back, spooky. She was also wearing her mother's wedding ring. Oh. It's because their mother had given it to her for the night to wear. Oh. Yeah. That just makes me sad.

Rumors circulated about her head being missing. And that will come back later. So hang on to that. You know what? Also, it's a really bad luck to where somebody else is wedding ring. It is really bad luck, you're right. So, but usually I feel like it's just bad luck in relationships, not like, usually, but this is like really bad luck.

It is. Now, when her parents were told her brother who was five at the time, his name was Warren, and he's been like instrumental in trying to get this case solved still, he said at the time, even though he was five, he remembers it vividly. He said, quote, I was holding my mom's hand and I could feel the energy just drain out of her. Oh, no. Isn't that just like, oh, that's really sad. Well, that's such a traumatic event too. It makes sense that he remembers it so much for sure. Yeah. Because you know, you always think like kids that age don't remember things like really anything because you they could forget what they had for breakfast the day before. Yeah, but they told

them everything. Certain events like one of my my twin who was in the hospital earlier this year. She remembers every freaking detail. Oh, yeah, at the hospital stay. She's like the doctor's names. Oh, yeah, she will remember the littlest detail. And she brings it up all the time. And I'm like, I wish you would forget that. Because I'm like, I want to forget that. Let's forget that. But it's in she's four.

Like it's crazy. He's turning five though. I know. There's such babies. So the chief deputy, Willard Jigsburr, right? Oh, getting jiggy with it. Getting jiggy with it. He was the lead investigator on the case.

He immediately ruled out robbery because he said nothing was stolen. The bill is wearing the ring. She's wearing the case. He immediately ruled out robbery because he said nothing was stolen. The bill is wearing the ring. She's wearing the ring. His wallet was stolen, his pocket, with his paycheck and his money in it. Wow. Yeah, so they were like, this definitely wasn't robbery, but they were like, it's very like vicious. And there had to have been a reason for it. So witnesses were interviewed. X-boyfriends were looked into, X-girlfriends. Witnesses did say they saw two strange, like really suspicious men outside of one of the bars

that they were at that evening. And they kind of, that theory, like that theory kind of lives on. The two strange men outside of a thing. Like people think those guys had something to do with it. Yeah. The theory everyone held though was that this was kind of like a love triangle thing

or some jealous lover of Mary Jane's. I think people like was kind of like a love triangle thing or some jealous lover of Mary Jane's I think people like to hold on to a love triangle thing because it's interesting exactly But they looked at it because Stanley had like been demolished with bullets. I mean he was yeah Well really taken out and she was possibly held alive for a little bit and I feel like we talked about in Like one of the I think it might have at the two hikers that went missing. Yes, and they found folded pants. Yeah, doesn't folding the pants show some kind of aspect of like It does. Yeah, like some kind of personal thing. It's almost like a message of some sort. Yeah, so Unfortunately, the case went cold because there just wasn't anything they could go with Because also they found shell casings at the scene where Mary Jane was found too, meaning

she was shot in the chest in that field. So that's why they, I'm like, the, that's why they think that she might have been held a couple of days and then they were like, was that psychic, right? Like held in a shack by an older man? Was that happening? That's scary. The thought of being held in a shack. It's like, by an older dude.

No, no, no, no, no, thank you. So the case went cold for a bit. They kept reopening it every now and then, like, in the 50s they tried, but they couldn't get anything going. Right. So it went cold for, again, for a while. And a lot of the original evidence, actually, like the photos, some of like the reports and interviews

went missing. I don't, how the fuck does that happen? I don't know. Can someone tell me how it evidences? Yeah, it's ghost tells me. Tell me how you lose evidence. It's somewhere. I feel like it's like come on. I can listen up buddy boy. So the guy who became the Old Go county sheriff in it, um, in 1970, his name was Jerry Brooks. He was like, I'm gonna go ham trying to solve this case. Because he's like, I feel like it can be solved. He noticed, you know, that most of the stuff was missing or it was like destroyed or whatever.

And he tried interviewing older, old witnesses, but he said most of them were already dead. Or some of them were so old or it was so long ago that they were like, I don't fucking remember. And to think about it, you don't remember? No, I mean, you can ask me something about next week and I'd be like, I have no idea. Like, It's too hard. I barely even know what today is. Well, Jerry actually left, Jerry Brooks left his job in 1990, but he had worked on it the entire

time for decades. Wow. And he still believes to this day it can be solved. He was like, I know, it will be solved. I want it to be. Now, the five-year-old brother we mentioned Warren, he never stopped trying to find his sister's killer. In 2005, he requested that her body be exhumed, because he was like, we have to find a clue. And he was having trouble getting it done, but this guy named Mike Ariens, who was the mayor of the town. From 1999, he also owned a restaurant in town.

He said, I'm going to help you because he was like, I believe this too. That's all we have. We should have Zoom here. We should find this out. And he believed that there was a cover up happening. And he said, why did all that evidence go away? It's a weird scenario. So he also said, he owned a restaurant called The Roadhouse.

Shut up. And he said it was the original Stenhouse. He bought it. And he was like, I know it sounds weird, but there's some weird paranormal stuff happening in that place. And I believe it's connected to this. And I think we have to solve this to make her be allowed

to rest. Right. And so I just got a whole last two. Right. And again, remember, the stenoes was the last place that they were before they were killed, Stanley and Mary James. So maybe she goes back to try to get out.

Exactly. So he said he thinks that it was definitely Mary James ghost in there. And he thought it was possibly her mother's as well. Oh, I know. Like they found each other afterwards. Yeah. And he said one of the things that will happen

is on the jukebox randomly, like spontaneously, and it will repeat all the time. I whole-ass- Suddenly the jukebox will just start playing Sergio Mendes and Brazil 66s after sunrise. Uh-huh. Which I didn't listen to, but I kind of want to know. Maybe we should pause and quickly just here. Part of it, hold on. I feel as though it's going to be haunting. We just listen to, but I kind of want to know maybe we should pause and quickly just hear part of it hold on

I feel as though it's gonna be haunting We just listen to it and let me tell you if that shit started playing on my jukebox I would burn everything I owned to the ground that I'm sure it's like a wonderful song if you're just listening to it But hearing it in that context is like oh no, yeah, go. I don't know if we can play a part of it Are you going to I don't think we can I don't know if we can so I'm not, but hearing it in that context is like, oh no. Yeah, go, I don't know if we can play a part of it. Are you going to? I don't think we can, I don't know if we can, so I'm not going to, but it goes into it. And I actually said, Brazil 66 is, I think it's 77, sorry.

But it's after sunrise. And it's fucked up. It literally starts and it sounds like, like a scratch. Oh, it sounds creepy. It sounds like Nail's on a chalkboard, almost. Yeah, and then there's a lot of like, la, la, la, la, la, no. It's almost gonna work, girls ask, but like terrifying. Like on a mouse. Yeah, and then there's a lot of like, la la la la la. It's almost gonna work, girls' ass,

but like terrifying. Like scary, girl. Yeah, I don't like that at all. My whole last body ever since you said that has been covered in chills and they won't go away. Yeah, it's a lot. Well, when employees at the restaurant won't work certain shifts

because they like, no, fuck that. I've seen too much shit on these shifts, so I will not work at night. Like, they'll see full apparitions. They say, she'll just stroll through the restaurant. Like, no, fuck that. I've seen too much shit on these ships. So I will not work at night. Like they'll see full apparitions. They say she'll just stroll through the restaurant. Like just, hey, I wish that she could talk to them. I know and tell them what happened. And they said they smell perfume and flowers randomly.

That happens all the time at our childhood. I know, it does. And it'll get cold in random spots in the restaurant. And weirdest of all. Oh, all of it. What? Yeah. A flower delivery addressed to Mary Jane

was sent to the roadhouse on Mary Jane's birthday. And they couldn't track who it came from. Do you know when? Like what? I don't know what year it was, but they said it. They couldn't trace who it was from. What the fuck? And why was it sent there?

What the fuck? And why was it sent there? What the fuck? And yeah, it's, and dishes will fly and shatter and stuff. It's crazy. My whole last body is vibrating in shells. And together Warren and you know, Mayor Guide there, I just know him. Mike Arian, they helped get that,

they were able to get the judge to agree to having her body exhumed. And they wanted it to be examined by a forensic pathologist and like really do the damn thing. So August 23rd, 2005, it happened. Wow. They exhumed her. She was completely intact, including her head.

And there was even skin still on her bones. Wow. Weirdly, there was a dress and a slip found inside wrapped in newspaper that had a story of her murder. I don't know if I, what? And nobody goes into that. They're like, yeah, that was found in there. And it was weird.

I wonder if, you know how people will do weird shit when they bury people sometimes? I wonder if it's just, I don't know. Somebody being like, no. Unfortunately, they did find some things, I guess, that that would possibly lead to some leads in the case. But then the investigators said that the handling of the original case was so poorly done

and so poorly handled, that they were like, it's basically tainted forever. Like, it's gonna be hard to piece this all back together. But do it. But the two people of interest originally, you know, talked about that were like outside of the bars. They weren't. Yeah, they were brought up again after the exhumation because witnesses came forward again naming them, but they were dead. Damn it. And there wasn't enough to name them publicly because they still have families and they

can have nothing. You can't just say their names. So I think it was, the county sheriff, Mel Mezzar, said they're not here to defend themselves. They do have families that are still alive, and we can't definitely say they were the people who committed the crime. Damn. So it's literally just like right there. I want to solve this.

But... What? December 2007. Lisa, what is it? Lisa, Cleppinger. Sorry, sorry Lisa Lisa Clepinger. She's a board certified forensic anthropologist at the University of Illinois. She was assisted by John Moore, who's a professor of anatomy, pathophysiology, and forensics at Parkland College in Champaign. They were asked to examine the bones. They took a look at it, and they said

the bones in that casket are from two different bodies. So her skull and her upper spine are from a different body. Shut the fuck up! So her head is still missing. So it indicates that the rumors about her being found without a head were presumably true. And they just grabbed somebody else's head and put it in their house.

And they put a different head in this casket with her. Now, Warren says his older sister was the one who identified the body when it happened because her parents were just too upset. Yeah, of course. And so she said when they showed her Mary Jane, they did not show her full body. They she was able to identify her because of the ring. So she didn't. And so she said, I didn't see it. I did not see her head. And then also he said

crime scene photos, which we don't have anymore, don't show her head. That is so spooky. And so they are. And it's so bad. And he said the theory of whoever killed her would like could have been like jealous and obsessed. Maybe they took her head to keep. Maybe. It makes sense. Simple and fucked up.

Warren's like, it could be in a fucking box somewhere or on someone's shelf. Like someone could have this skull. Oh my God. And they were like, and then they said they think it might have been a local police officer who may become, who had become obsessed with her. And that's why this cover up happened

because it was a law enforcement officer. What the fuck? I need, I need to solve this case. Like I, that is easily one of the more bizarre cases. Isn't it? We've got a lot of,

a lot of my, I'm like a little, I can't, I'm like having a hard time talking. Wow. They did exume Stanley as well, his body. And he was all up there. He was all together. And it was in 2015.

They said nothing new really came of his. Yeah. The Road House is still like a ghost hunting location. It's a huge tourist attraction now. He has photos of Mary Jane up in the restaurant. Oh, that's cool. And I like it's like that. Yeah, it's kind of cool.

And then also Mike Ariin started the Mary Jane Read Foundation. Yeah. And on the website, it says the Mary Jane Read Foundation has established as a tribute to her as a living memorial, assisting women and their families of any age, race, color or creed who have been brutally assaulted and assist them in any positive way possible to ease their pain and stress, assuring that they have a network of support at no cost to them. Wow. Which is like, what a nice thing to do in her name.

That's awesome. You know, oh, go ahead. Oh no, don't worry. But I was just gonna say, I think it ends with the founders were so moved by the brutal unsolved murder of Mary Jane Reed in 1948, that they set this course as a path of life and hope in her name for those who have suffered a similar fate. Oh, I love that.

And it's still unsolved. It's also very interesting. I feel like whoever, like I said, with the jeans and everything, it seemed personal. And also, somebody, it seems like somebody who knew her knew where she was gonna be that night. Exactly. That she was going on a date.

Yes. And was like pissed off about it. Exactly. It was not happy about it. Interesting. I know, right? Wow. I know.

And definitely the overkill of the man she was on the date with, like, in case... Everything I read described him as riddled with bullets. Right. And she was shot once. Once in the chest. But her head was obviously. Her head was missing.

Teaking off somehow. It was missing what the fuck. Isn't that bizarre? Yeah, that is real bizarre. So I want to keep looking into this case, because now I feel like I'm like, I want this solve. I do too, I'm like connected to that now. And also, I don't need that, thank you.

Okay. I just like took out my charger so I could move my laptop and Alina so sweet, chandoned. I'm like connected to that now and also I don't need that. Thank you. Okay. I just like took out my charger So I could move my laptop and a lean is so sweet chandet. I'm so nice Wow, I a while and also that song. Oh, yeah, that guys you have again say what's the song again? It's after sunrise It is so spooky. It's so much I just didn't do it and think of it turning on randomly Yeah, like while you're cleaning up a restaurant at night after everybody's gone.

Oh, fuck that, fuck that, fuck that, fuck that, fuck that. It's like this Christmas, I ruined, all right, almost ruined. I didn't actually do it. But I was like, the little drummer boy came on. Yeah. And if you listen to our Myra Hendley and Ian Brady episode, you know that that song has been ruined forever for all of you and for us too.

And it came on in our kitchen, and I looked at my mother and Lawn, I was like, you know I could ruin this for you forever, and she was like, don't do it. And I was like, okay, and I didn't do it, but I was like, just know. Just know I can ruin this for you. And she was like, I don't wanna know.

And then she was like, I hate it, cause now I'm thinking of why I could be ruined. And I was like, she's like the most human alive. And John hasn't listened to that episode, and I was like, you know be ruined. And I was like, she's like the worst human alive. And John hasn't listened to that episode. And I was like, you know this song? And he was like, don't do it. I'm surprised that you didn't change it. Did you change it?

I walked out of the room. I was like, I'm not listening to this. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to listen to that. I literally can't. Like it gave me chills down my spine. Somebody actually commented on that Instagram randomly the other day while I was on our, like, morbid podcast Instagram

and the picture of Leslie and Downey like the cute one came up, but I can't look at her without seeing the crime. Oh, I'm literally just popped in my head and I feel like I want to scream. Yeah, it's horrific. Like it's like getting shot. No, it is. When it pops into your head, you literally feel like taking a bullet. My stomach just turned.

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but also attached to Google Doc where it's double spaced. I love that. That's really helpful. Let me just tell you that's like you're the real MVP. You already do that. When you go the extra mile like that to save me from myself, it's appreciated. Save me from myself to save me from reading. All right, so hey you two weirdos. To start, I want to say more, but is my favorite podcast, and I've gotten to the point where I'm already re-listening to episodes. I love you, Weirdos, and your amazing way of telling these gruesome stories while also shunning lights on the victims and their family. Thank you.

Thank you. Before I tell my story, I just want to say that paranormal activity and true crimes seems to follow me. Before I was even born, a lady at my mom's work used to tell my mom that I was going to be a girl, and I was going to be, quote, be able to see beyond this world. She pretty much predicted my gender and the fact that I'd have a six sense. I'm not really sure what else to call it, which my mom didn't truly believe until I was born.

Throughout my life, I've come into contact with numerous, numerous spirits. I've survived a kidnapping. Bodies have been dumped by my house. I've seen numerous UFOs or what I can only assume are UFOs by my house I have spoken to my recently deceased relatives and I have a wicked ability to send something if something is going to happen and Pick up vibes from people places and things. I know it sounds like a lot of BS, but I pinky promise I'm not a dingbat I believe you. I love that phrase, but without further ado, I'll start my tale of how a crazy demon girl scout planned on dragging my 12-year-old ass to hell. So I just kicked my microphone

away for me. I'm so excited. I'm so stoked. So since I was about seven or eight, I had been going to spend a week at a girl scout summer camp in Northern Illinois. I would choose what activities I wanted to be a part of when I got there. I would be assigned to a cabin and make friends, etc., etc. I would get to ride horses, make friendship bracelets, learn archery, go swimming in a fairly nice pool, and make a ton of friends. I always bought a disposable camera with me as well to take pictures of the nature in the friends that I made. I mean, it sounds super great, right? Wrong. I mean, it's like, yes, it does. It does. I mean, there were never really any strange

happenings at the camp until the summer of 2012, but ghost stories were told, and I would sometimes get weird vibes, but brushed it off because nothing ever happened to me. The campground I was staying on consisted of four cabins and a huge rec room for indoor activities. Two out of the four cabins housed girls who were part of my activity groups for the week. My cabin was peachy, and the other seven girls I was bunking with were super chill. The other cabin, however, was a nightmare.

There was one girl who was absolutely bonkers. Let's call this girl Abby. Since the second we got to our cabins, Abby was already fighting with the girl she was bunking with. There was one girl in particular she did not get along with. But anyways, it was about three days into the weirdest week of camp I had experienced yet. It was the middle of the day and all the girls were just hanging out in the cabins before

we went to do our next activity. Next thing you know, we hear screaming coming from the cabin next to ours. Uh oh. The cabin was about thirty feet away from us. We peeked out of our screen windows of the cabin to try to see what was happening, when two girls from the other cabin rushed over to our cabin and flung open the screen door. They were so pale they looked sick.

Everyone asked what was wrong and if they were okay. And then one of the girls just looked at us and stated, Abby stabbed her. What? We were all silent and I went to lock the cabin doors. Like that would do anything because they were screen doors. But you know what you do what you do. You do what you do.

The other girl explained that Abby and the other girl had been fighting and Abby took scissors out of her friendship bracelet kit and stabbed the other girl through the hand with friendship bracelet scissors. That is not friendship, that is not what friendship is about. That's not crafty. Now are you ready for this, Elena?

I'm ready for this. I already picked these ones, so. Abby got into trouble, but stayed at the camp for whatever fucking reason, and the other girl was taken to the infirmary to take care of her hand. Okay, this is one why I never went to summer camp. I went to theater camp, thank you very much.

And then two, why my kids are never going to summer camp. What the fuck is that about summer camp? I'll barely go to stay like an Annie's cabin, or not cabin, Annie's like, what's that? Campground. Campground, yeah. It's like glamping, like they don't even use tents. They have a beautiful like RV.

Sure. It's not an RV, but I don't know what any of this is. They have a nice thing that you can shower in, and there's bedrooms, and it's really beautiful, but everybody makes one of me because I don't want to go camping. No way. Anyways, the next day continued as usual and we all went to bed. The next day, or excuse me, the day continued as usual and we all went to bed.

The next day was a normal day, except we all kept our distance from crazy scissor girl Oh, you did? Oh, you did. Oh, I got to get on her bad side. Yeah, good plan. That night the girls in my cabin were supposed to be sleeping, but we were all talking, we were all up talking and making jokes. Everything was fine until one girl stopped laughing and turned very pale. I noticed she was staring out the left side of our cabin towards our neighboring cabin. She slowly turned to us and whispered, do you see that?

We looked at her. We looked at her. We didn't want to. Super confused until she pointed out her window and we all went by, and we all went to the left side of the cabin to see what she was talking about. Slowly each one of us saw it. Standing by a tree between our cabin and our neighbors was a black figure staring into our cabin. It was the shape of a human but we could tell it was not human. Nope. There was a long silence and then we all started whispering frantically back and forth to one another, trying to figure out what we were all seeing. Most of the girls, including myself, started to cry.

I was filled with fear. What was this thing? What was it gonna do to us? Where did it come from? After about 10 minutes of having a staring contest with this demon, it started to slowly move toward our cabin. Fuck that. I'm staging my house after this.

Fuck that. I'll let once every single one of us started to scream at the top of our lungs. I climbed into a top bunk with one of my friends and we held each other while she peed her pants and I sobbed so hard I didn't even notice that I was covered with another 12-year-old girl's urine. This is the saddest thing I've ever heard. It's just a bunch of little girls like literally sobbing and pain.

Terrible, fire pants. Like actually being their pants. We screamed our counselor's names at the top at the top of our lungs. I honestly thought my throat was gonna start bleeding. We watched as this thing crept up to our cabin. Then when I thought it was all over, this figure creature demon got on all fours.

No. Ran back to the tree and climbed up this mother fucking tree backwards. No, backwards, on all fours. About. Like what? Then our counselor ran into our cabin and we all shouted to her what had just happened. We were so inconsolable she could barely understand any of us.

She ended up deciding to take us out of our cabins, and walk across the campgrounds in the fucking pitch black dead of night to the rec center to our other three counselors who were staying there. It took about five minutes, but it honestly felt like a lifetime and a half to get to that fucking building. We all explained to the counselors what we had seen and what happened. One counselor sat with us while the other three went to go out and look around the grounds. I was certain she was dead, but then she came back to explain. She didn't find anything, but the weather was getting extremely bad and we needed to sleep in the rec room because there might be a tornado, which was my... Oh, on top of a demon sighting, great.

They say, which was my number one fear as a child, even over demons. Good, good. She also stated that the other cabins on our grounds needed to come sleep with us. This included scissors girl. What the f-? This is literal nightmare. It is. I was not thrilled.

Looking back, the weather turning on its head like that, or like it did, was extremely weird. I ended up not sleeping that night because I was so sick thinking about how there was a literal demon making its way to my cabin to drag my child ass to the pits of hell. Like excuse me. I was also nervous because Abby was sleeping right by me and she had actually stabbed someone. So, I was not having the greatest time.

No. The next morning I walked to breakfast in silence and so did every other girl from my cabin. At breakfast, two other girls from the other cabin started asking us about last night and what happened. We required it and didn't explain much except for that we got scared of something in the woods.

One of the two casually said they saw something that night that freaked them out too and was wondering if we had seen the same thing. I looked at her and asked what she had seen and she explained there was a weird figure lurking around their cabin last night and they started to hear screams from our cabin. The other girl ended this short tale by stating that the figure climbed up the tree backwards by their cabin and disappeared. I loved that this girl was like, you know weird.

I saw something that was like, little freaky last night too. It was this weird figure who walked up a tree backwards on Valfour's. Right. Did you guys see something like that? Like, she's very casual. I wonder if she like heard the rumor.

It was like, where you you guys all the same thing? So weird. Yeah. The girls from my cabin leaned in, and we all started to discuss what we had seen and everything matched up. We walked back to our cabins in silence again, still processing what had happened.

When we got back to our cabin, we sat there and started to talk about last night. All of a sudden Abby ran up, screamed, and smashed her face into the screen door. That's a really funny picture, I'm sorry. It's a bum. This girl needs some help. She needs to talk to someone.

Immediately, the girl who first saw the figure screamed, and burst into tears, pointing and yelling, that's the face, that's the face I saw. What? So the demon-hut Abby face. We all turn to Abby, who stood there menacingly until she silently walked away from our cabin without a word. Guys, dude, fuck Abby.

Camp counselors. Hear me. It's time to send Abby home. Yeah. Glow Abby's parents. All Abby's like, you know, caregivers, her sires. I don't know what her like emperors or whatever she has. No, you know what?

They all knew that Abby had no contact information. They were like, well, we can't send her home. They were like, well, we can't call hell. So we're just going to have to keep her here. The phone line to Satan is busy right now. Send her home. We all turned up. She stood there menacingly and she walked away

without saying where she sure did. We all started crying again in the counselors, let all the girls call their moms. Oh, that's nice of them. What the fuck else are you? Who are these counselors? Well, they're probably like 16 Yeah, get it together. I told my mom everything She told me to stay the rest of the weekend and enjoy camp and I would see her soon But I explained I was afraid to die and lose my soul while sobbing on the line She convinced me to stay but many girls ended up leaving for the week the rest of the week I was sick and on edge when I saw my mom at thebing on the line. She convinced me to stay, but many girls ended up leaving for the week. The rest of the week I was sick and on edge, but I saw my mom at the end of the week I sobbed. After that I never went back to camp.

Yeah, no shit. A couple of years later I heard the camp got shut down for leaky pipes, but I don't believe that. The property is currently up for sale, but I don't know who in their right mind would buy that land. To this day I have not developed the pictures from that summer and did not keep in contact with any of my friends from camp. I also still have vivid nightmares due to this incident. Develop the photos immediately. Don't even look at them, just send them to us.

Do not pass go, just send those. Do not pass go. I need to see those. That's crazy. Thank you for reading my long-ass demon camp story. This was easily one of the scariest moments of my life. And if you do choose to read it, and if you do choose to read it, you can shorten it however you'd like. No. P-S, I wanted to let you guys know that I work right off Archer, Avonil,

and I pass Resurrection Cemetery quite frequently. It's extremely creepy, and I know people who have seen Mary roaming around. I've never seen her though. And then they corrected our Napaville pronunciation. And also Dupas. Thank you guys. Thank you guys. Oh wait, they pranat. They corrected it.

Yeah. I know people who live in Napaville and it's pronounced Naperville, like paperville. Also Dupas. Naperville, Naperville, Naperville, Naperville. Thank you for that. We also, when I looked up, Napaville Dupas. Love you so much. Dupas, you for that. We also, when I looked up, Napperville Dupage. Shhhh. Love you so much.

Dupage, I guess. When I looked up, like, emails from Illinois, I'm 90% of them were just nap other people. No, 90% of them were other people from Illinois, like other parts of Illinois, saying that people from Napperville sucks. So we're not saying it, but. Sorry, Karen.

Your fellow Illinoisians are single-in-oigners. Anyway, so they said, thank you ill and noisy and so exciting questions. Anyway, so they said thank you guys for bringing your wonderful podcast to the world and I hope you keep it weird, but not so weird that you stab a girl with scissors from your friendship bracelet kit and also might be a demon and stare into my soul until I cry until I cry and climb up a tree backwards after scaring a cabin full of children. Love Hunter. Wow.

And also Hunter said that you can use my name and if you're interested in any of my other true crime paranormal or extraterrestrial sightings stories, I would be thrilled to share with you weirdos. I also, Hunter, would like to know about the time you survived a kidnapping, and I would love to know about the bodies that are more left along your hunter. Hunter, come at us. We've got some spleen in too.

You've got to bring us more. Because this was great. That was really good. Hunter, thank you. I forgive you for correcting Naperville. I do too. But this was wonderful. This was absolutely wonderful. You lived a nightmare. Oh, Naperville. Hey yo, let's talk about Audible. With an Audible membership, you can download titles and listen offline anytime, anywhere.

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Reading in my mind. That's what I like to call it. Well, first of all, Audible is awesome because I've never really had the opportunity to have my books read to me. Yes. So that's kind of fun. And I have been listening to my favorite book of all time,

which I've read a million times, but I've never had read to me. What? That's Acre. Me too, one of my favorites. It's by Dr. Bill Bass. Love you, Dr. Bill Bass. I know you're like a Sicilian,

so you're probably not listening to this podcast, but if you are, what's up? Hello. And John Jefferson, and it's narrated by George Grizzard. And I downloaded it on Audible, and I've been listening to it. It's amazing and I love that I can do it. That makes me so happy for you.

And guys, guess what? If audiobooks aren't your thing, don't worry, because Audible also offers podcasts, guided wellness programs, theatrical performances, a list comedy and exclusive Audible originals, you will not find anywhere else. So that is really cool. You don't have to just listen to a book. You can listen to an audio book or a podcast or just do a workout program or laugh at some comedy. Yeah, you don't have to just

listen to a book. You can listen to an audio book. It would be amazing and it would make you so happy. And honestly, whenever I would drive into work, I used to work in Boston and I live outside of Boston about like 30 minutes, but we all know that takes about an hour in traffic time. Oh, easy. So I would just plug in an audiobook and be like, boom, but then I would get a little sick of that.

So then I'd be like, I want to laugh today. Comedy, boom. And it makes a long trip feel super short. It does. It does, I know, huh? Well, visit audible.com slash morbid or text morbid to 500-500. Again, that's visit audible.com slash morbid

or text morbid to 500-500. Okay. Wow, that was a good one. Should we read one more? I think it's time for one more. I think if I were you, I would read Lady and Marit. That's the one I was gonna read. I knew it's time for one more. I think if I were you, I would read Lady and Rad. That's the one I was gonna read. I knew it.

All right, so this listener tale is called Lady and Rad. Wow, that was beautiful, but you woke Franklin up. Thank you. Sorry for a good head. You just looked at you like you was like, okay, sorry. It was Auntie Lene. He just winked and went back to sleep.

He was like, my mom, I gotta eat her life. Hey weirdos, love your show and love the listener tales. Me too, thank you so much. Thank you. So I'd like to take a second to thank you and the listeners both for constantly giving us all new stories to enjoy. I agree, thank you, listen. I know, I like that you think the listeners, that was nice. Yeah, that was nice. All weirdos, please give yourselves a well-deserved pat on the back. And because I'm the segment of the world, here's my tail. No, I love that. Short and sweet.

My name is Aaron, but my friends call me Aaron. Because most of them start with my friends. My name is this one. My friends call me Aaron. No, my friends call me Aaron. I'm from Southeast Michigan, and my story takes place in a weird Bernmierda triangle of the murder mitten.

Yes, murder mitten. Our state is shaped like a mitten, and we are home to two cities that are often on the top 10 most dangerous cities list. Why? Because those areas in particular have a penchant for illegally making people a lot less alive. Wow, what a way to say it.

That's awesome. Pure Michigan TM. I love TM. I like when people TM their legs. In this permute a triangle of sorts, you can throw a stone in any direction and be in a different city. Also in this area is a lot of strange activity.

It's made some of the most skeptic people I've ever known admit even if only once. That there's plenty of unexplained, clearly paranormal fuckery going on in our backwoods hood. The year is 2005. My dear friend Amy, names except mine have been changed out of courtesy, lived just down the street for me with her grandmother. On this particular evening, Amy's family was in town visiting from Illinois and they were having a bonfire. Friends were welcome, which is why my ex-nathen and I were present. It was beautiful, early fall. So the air was crisp, the leaves were changing, and the corn fields were unharvested. You know.

Wait, can I make a side note? I read another listener tale that, I just like, I couldn't put it in, but they said, when you live in Illinois, like, they're on one part, you either are like, like a city slicker, or on the other part, they said, you are literally made of corn, and then they put in parentheses,

I am corn. And I just want to shout that person out. I love that. I love that. Well, these corn fields were unharvested. The sky was clear, and if memory serves, the moon was also full.

Yes. As it got later in the evening, the crowd around the fire dwindled until the only people left were Amy, her cousins Ross and TJ, Nathan and myself. We wasted absolutely no time in getting to the good stuff, ghost stories.

At this time, I only had a handful of ghost stories, and only one where it actually seen a ghost. I would later found out it was much more than that, much more than one, but they often don't look much different than any of the live people I see. Pro tip, there's always something off about their eyes or the way they move. Yeah.

So I was content to listen to the group tell their stories. When we were all good and on edge, the cousins dared Nathan to take a walk on a very specific path behind us. In the backyard there were some fruit trees and past those was a corn field. No, no, no. The field had a small path that sort of split that portion of the field so that you could walk out to the woods behind it if you needed. I don't know why you'd need to, but you could then take that path around and find yourself between the corn stalks and

a fence that separated the old shut down gravel pit from the property. This is a literal horror movie. Yeah, this is the beginning of it. Either way, no matter where you were, you were surrounded by corn on both sides, woods and corn or gravel pit and corn. Children of the corn, not out of the realm of possibility. Nathan wasn't particularly spooked by the idea of this dare. After all, he and I met while working on a haunted attraction as monsters. What a love story. I'm sorry you two aren't together. I hope it was an amicable split. Me too. Amy and I thought the dare was a scandalous as daring someone to high five the person next to them at sleepover at a sleepover. So you know, big

whoop. If Nathan completed his task, the cousins were going to give him $10 or his Nate referred to it. Hell yeah, that's a dime bag. I see why you so off you went. Trelloa. As she's like, I get it. As he neared the beginning of the trail, Amy and I both jumped to our feet and yelled for him to stop. Which startled she and I, because neither of us knew why we'd done it, much less expected to do it in unison. Nathan looked at us like we were insane, which was fair.

I even begged him to come back, but he was hot for his dog bag, so I ended up jogging out to him, telling him if he was still going then I would be accompanying him. In that moment I watched a look come over his face that echoed the experience Amy and I just had. He wasn't sure why, but he wasn't walking that stupid trail. Naturally Ross and TJ gave him crap for not going, but not for long. Our backs were turned to the fields and that feeling that I was being watched came over me, so I turned around.

In a matter of minutes a thick fog had stretched from the woods over the top of the fields and that feeling that I was being watched came over me. So I turned around. In a matter of minutes, a thick fog had stretched from the woods over the top of the field, stopping right where the trail began and nowhere else. Not down by my parents' house, which could easily be seen from here, not across the street or the gravel pits solely that area. I'm aware that fog can do this, I guess, but this was the only time I'd ever witnessed it myself. And it seemed like awfully coincidental timing. Everyone in our little group agreed, and didn't feel it was reason enough to shut down the party.

Of course not. Not a little... Not a little paranormal fog rolling in. That's just like the start of the party. Yeah. We chatted some more, and then heard a woman's voice calling out. Oh, okay, dude. I love it. She's just like, we chatted some more, and then a woman's voice calling out. Oh, he do. I love it. She said, we chatted some more and then a woman called out to us. That's a little boy.

Yeah. None of us could make out what she was saying, much less see where exactly she had called out from. Ooh, a disembodied voice, right? Wrong. It's not uncommon out there. Sound travels around them. Sound travels around them, their parts.

Sorry, that was hard for me. Sound travels around them their parts. There you go. Sound travels around them their parts. I'm like that diaper. TM. All right, TM. So unfazed, we go back to our conversation, still surrounded by our ominous fog. And we hear the woman again. I'd be like, homey, can you leave? I'd be like, you got to calm down. We're having a party. How could you go? Could you go talk somewhere else? Now, because it's late late, we assume that maybe it's a family member inside the house

yelling from a darkened window. All right. It's probably just, you know, that's a big assumption to make. It's probably just a family member in the house yelling from a darkened window. We would probably, we were probably being too loud and keeping them up.

So with that, we began putting out the fire and heading back towards the driveway. That's when we all freeze. There's a woman in a red night gown standing by the cars. And since she's on the other side of the vehicles, we can only see her from the waist up. She had black hair with awful bedhead, like homegirl really needed a brush,

but hadn't seen her touch for 20 years. Right away, Ross clicks on his flashlight and shines it on her face. Her eyes reflect the light the same way an animal does. Oh, I was thinking that. Oh! Remember how I told you their eyes give them away? She's even acting like an animal cornered. Her shoulders raised up, she brought her head down

and rounded out her back. No, no, no, no. I would liken it to a human doing an impression of a scared cat, but staying on two feet. You know what's funny? I literally pictured my cats when they stretch from that. I was thinking that too, because they make a fucking like you shape with their backs.

I hate this. We are all staring at her spellbound, but her eyes remained fixed on Ross. Then she opened her mouth as if to scream, but no sound came out. That's fucked. No. No, her jaw opened wider and dropped lower

than I'd ever seen a human jaw do. I don't like, I don't like this. How do you move on from this? Not even the ones who can unhinge their freaky little joints. Stay together, Ross shouts, deciding he would chase her. What the fuck Ross is running? What the fuck? She'll eat you. Look how they're her jaw is. Like don't come running at this. Like am it Ross? Let her just be. Please note Ross is over six feet tall and built like a brick shit house. And this woman

is approximately five feet tall and looked to be in her sixties. I hate that she looks to be in her sixties. I hate it. Old ghost, sir, Tara. The moment he pursues her, she takes off into the garage literally flying. No. There were no feet. No. No head bobbing up and down to indicate running

because she was too busy taking flight. Shut up. Just a red blur of her nightgown up much higher in the air than it had any business of being. We watched her go through the door into the house. Ross had to pause to open the door before continuing his pursuit. Now he's screaming like a banshee, tearing through a house full of peacefully sleeping relics. Everyone was probably pissed.

They were probably like, yeah, how high did you guys get outside? I'd be so pissed. The four of us are still frozen, staring at the only two ways in and out of the house. The only words spoken at that time were from yours truly. This is exactly what I would say. This is so bad. This is exactly what I would say.

It's dead-set-ready silence. That all happens. Did you see that? If I could say anything that's, I'd be like, y'all saw that, right? But all happens. Did you see that? Hahaha! If I could say anything that's, I'd be like, y'all saw that, right? Hahaha! Like, do you guys see that?

That's so... Oh yeah. Did you see that? Oh, shit. Alright. Oh, alright. Because it's all that my whittle brain cells could come up with while they tried to process the metric fuck ton of insanity that just occurred.

I feel you. Ross came out soon after out of breath declaring he'd lost her. In the house? I don't think he'd fully processed what he'd seen at that time either because none of us expected him to catch whatever that thing had been. And that inexplicable fog, it had completely disappeared as quickly as it had shown up. But now all the relatives who were super stoked about waking, super stoked about the abrupt wake-up call, were outside, half asleep, and having none of it.

They tried to claim that Ross' mom had played a prank on us, but the five of us believe this was just an an effort to keep from scaring Amy's grandmother and her younger cousins. Wow, those are good adults. That is, yeah. Because I'd be like, that was probably a demon. I feel like we should burn the house down and get younger cousins. Wow, those are good adults. That is, yeah. Because I feel like that was probably a demon. I feel like we should burn the house down

and get a hotel. Let's go. I feel like who has holy water? Throw a crucifix at someone. Is anybody here in ordained minister? Yeah, I feel like shit's going down. Hell is happening. Now Ross' mom was in a red night gown,

but it had white polka dots on it. And her hair was in much better condition. Also, her eyes didn't reflect light like a damn woodland predator, which I feel is important to mention. The next day, Ross was having none of their denial. He insisted his mom needed to run, because this thing outran him. And that's not an easy feat.

She immediately said, you know, I can't run, but tried anyway. At best, there was a hobble, definitely no outrunning her son or sudden ability to fly. To this day, none of us know what that thing was. We just know we saw it. And it's not a fan of being chased by large Midwestern men wielding flashlights. But then again, who is?

That's just how it ends. You know what that reminded me of? I think it was your brother, my uncle, JP, who came home really late for her few one night. Oh my god. Ma, so my grandma, Lina's mom is you all know Ma. Decided to scare the shit out of him when he came home. She stayed up all night.

And she has very, her hair's beautiful, silky white, but it's very thin. It's like pure white. Literally snow white, but it's thin. So when she goes to bed, it like tangles all up and like stands on top of her hair. And she went and made it crazier. And when she hurt, she like,

I didn't she turn off the security lights? Oh yeah, she turned off all the lights because he was trying to be like, a little punk coming home late. Maybe he was gonna sneak in like it was no big deal. So he goes to open the door like quietly, and she whipped open the door because she was waiting on the other side

and just put her arms up and just went scream and scream and he said he legitimately thought it was like a mythical banshee that had come to warn him of his impending death because straight up our house is haunted anyway and his room actually is like the most haunted room in the house. Yep. So he probably thought that was it. He was like it's come finally, but really it was just mom Just mom and I can live in her life just having fun and she said she couldn't stop laughing And if you if you know ma's laugh, oh, you don't know the most infectious hilarious laugh. It's great So that's that does remind me of it right? Guys, those were great those were all so right? Oh guys, those were great.

Those were all so good. Those were great spooky roads and those were great tales. And I appreciate it. Want to solve Mary Jane. Mary Jane Reed, we gotta solve it. I wanna solve that. That is. We're gonna figure it out.

And hearing that song, man, that fucked me up. We gotta solve it. We're on the case. We're on the 18th year. Or no, that one's in 1948. Yeah, we can do that. We can do that. Like, get your old detective jacket out from our first virtual live show.

I got my magnifying glass, let's do it. I'll wear my flapper dress, I guess. There you go, why not? I need a reason to wear it again. No she's. I love it. All right, well, guys, that's it. And you can follow us on Instagram.

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