Morbid - Jean Harris and the Murder of Herman Tarnower (Part 2)

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

When Jean Harris met Herman Tarnower in the winter of 1966, she quickly fell in love the charming doctor. Having just come out of a disappointing twenty-year marriage, Harris was desperate to find the love and stimulating partnership she’d long dreamed of, and believed she’d finally found it in the intellectual Tarnower and the two would live happily ever after. But fourteen years later, Tarnower was dead and Harris was on trial for his murder, her fantasy of happily ever after having crumbled around her.Thank you to the Incredible Dave White of Bring Me the Axe Podcast for research and Writing support! ReferencesAlexander, Shana. 1983. Very Much a Lady: The Untold Story of Jean Harris and Dr. Herman Tarnower. New York, NY: Simon and Schuster. Clendinen, Dudley. 1981. "Jean Harrids as a witness: sad, humorous, cutting." New York Times, January 28: B2.Faron, James. 1980. "'Scarsdale Diet' doctor slain; headmistress charged." New York Times, March 12: A1.Feron, James. 1981. "Defiant Jean Harris sentenced to mandatory fifteen years." New York Times, March 21: 1.—. 1980. "Hard questioning is screening out Tarnower jurors." New York Times, November 13: B2.—. 1980. "Jean Harris jury told of clothing found 'slashed'." New York Times, December 3: B1.—. 1981. "Jurors in Harris trial re-enacted night of murder in deliberations." New York Times, February 26: A1.—. 1980. "Policeman tells how Mrs. Harris described fight." New York Times, December 12: B1.Haden-Guest, Anthony. 1980. "The headmistress and the diet doctor." New York Magazine, March 31.The People of the State of New York v. Jean S. Harris. 1981. 84 A.D.2d 63 (Appellate Division of the Supreme Court of New York, Second Department, December 30).United Press International. 1981. "Juror says Mrs. Harris's tesimony was the key to murder." New York Times, February 25: B2.  Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. Oh, you said it twice. And this is morbid. I threw you all off. That was really weird. I don't like when you throw off the whole vibe. I kind of just do it to mess with you because honestly, it doesn't feel great for me either, but messing with you does. Honestly, it does not feel great for me either. So we're suffering together.

Straight up, not a good time. Yeah, as you can tell, we're a little punchy. We're feeling punchy. little sloppy. We're, we're feeling all kinds of things, but no, no, no, no. We're not doing a listener tale. No, no. Those are fucking great. We're doing a haunted motherfucking hotel's episode installment, number one. It's a new installment. Nope, not in, well, yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. A new series. Yeah. Yeah. You're right. Believe in yourself. Do it. I believe in me. And you know what?

I felt like Patrick Swayze and Donnie Darko. And you were in the little kid. I'm not a phrase. Yes. Yes. Donny Darko is a great movie. You should watch it. Patrick Swayze was great and he was also terrifying.

All right. So we also were feeling pretty spooky because our boy, Drusifer. Our motherfucking man. Our fucking boy took a little trip without saying, word to us. Didn't say anything. Went to Bath and Body Works, which I don't know if you guys have been on TikTok, and if your TikTok is as spooky and Halloweeny as mine is. Mine is too, man. But it has been all over TikTok how Bath and Body Works has all these amazing little spooky-uky Halloween things. And boy the

fuck they do. Drew just went on his own volition. Accord. And for the pod lab, bought this spooky Victorian, like, vampire hand candle holder for us. It's wearing a ring. Wearing a fucking ring. It has acrylics. Great nails. It looks great. And bought what, one, two, three, four, five.

Like six candles? Yes, six. Six pumpkin fall candles for the pod lab. We have two burning right now. It is fall. I know, you know what, tomorrow, it is. supposed to be over 100 degrees here. Fuck the. But that doesn't matter because fall is in our hearts and it's in the pod lab.

Honestly. It's thanks to Drusifer. It's thanks to my man. If you hear tapping, I'm Googling how many days until Halloween? There you go. How many days? Drew killed it. He put us in the right spooky mood and we were like, you know what?

Spooky it is today. I mean, there's only 89 days left until Halloween. That's like four days if you ask me. It's essentially right around the corner. It's time to start celebrating. Let's, the harvest is coming. Hop on your brooms, fucking heat up your pumpkin latte, get your knee socks out, and let's go ghost hunting, bitches. Yes.

And you know what? Speaking of ghost hunting, for my first, you, like, that segue was prima. I just teed you up there. You just teed me up so perfectly. It was delicious because my first hotel that I'm going to cover is the Langham Hotel in London. Sounds langie. You know me. I cannot get away from London. I just spent five episodes in London, but somehow here I am. Yeah, you should chill. I will not leave. You're stuck with me, London.

You have like, honestly at this point, I think you have like dual citizenship. I think I do. I think I qualify and that's fine with me because I really want to go. Did I make that joke already? Maybe, but I love it, but it's true. It's a good joke. You know what? Still true. Still true. I don't see any falsities there. And you know what? I say ghost hunting when you mentioned it because while I, I was looking up that this hotel is like super haunted, like the most haunted hotel in London, um, in like ever.

It's just very haunted. And it's gorgeous. And I was watching some stuff about the hauntings of it. And I came across this YouTube channel. I don't follow. Like I'm not a YouTube person really. No. Like I don't really go on YouTube that much.

I really only go on at this point for like research purposes. Yeah. Sometimes I like, like stumble upon stuff. and like I respect the YouTube game. So I came up on this YouTube channel that was these four guys that were in London. They were American. I can tell right away. They still are.

They were and they still are. At least I'm pretty sure. I haven't double-checked that. But they were at that time. And they were in the Langham Hotel and they were doing like a, they're like paranormal, paranormal. It's a day. Today paranormal investigators.

And they were doing an. investigation at the Langham. So I was like, I'm going to watch this. Their names are Sam and Colby. They're really great. I know some of you must know this YouTube channel, because I know we like, people watch YouTube and like follow creators on there. They're hilarious. I was not even watching the video. I was like sitting on the little coach over there listening and I was cracking up. I was dying. I was like, what, who are they? Can we be friends? Can we do a paranormal investigation together now? I want to do one. I've watched one. one video and I am sold.

Let's be friends. I'm a fan now. I'm ready. I'm ready to do this. So I think they already did the Lizzie Borden house, but we could find another one. We could go back. There's always more investigations to be had. I was going to say, I don't think you got all the ghosties in there, so I'm sure we could conjure up some.

Let's do it. Let's go, Sam and Colby. That's my official pitch. So tweet at them or something, make it happen. Oh, my God, do it. Let's go. Sorry for your two. I was in love with it.

So the hotel is gorgeous. Ooh. Gorgeous. It was built in 1865. It was designed by architect John Giles. I don't know if it's Giles or Giles. I also like Giles because of Buffy. So there you go.

It has somewhere around 500 rooms, probably more, and was built as London's first grand hotel. Ooh, weren't they all? Weren't they all? Oscar Wild and Mark Twain have apparently stayed there before. And it's part of a ton of Sherlock Holmes novels. Oh, cool. Yeah. The hotel was a big deal at the time.

It was the first in London to get American... I was at American Express. What? It's not even close to that. I wrote AC, like, air conditioning. But I looked at it and said American Express. They were the first to get American Express points before it even existed. I swear I only have been drinking coffee and eating chips.

Yeah, she doesn't even partate. I don't. So as crazy as I sound right now. Not that I'm shit-faced right now. No, but it could come off that way. They also were the first people to get hydraulic elevators in the hotel. So it was like a big deal. Also kind of scary, though, because I don't think I would want to be the first person to try out a hydraulic elevator. Probably not. Or the fifth, really, for that matter. Definitely not. So while watching Sam and Colby's channel, their experience in there, they pointed out because I was like, I got to see inside this place and thank you Sam and Colby for showing me that they're... Zoom and Colby, let's go. They showed me that there are a lot of what they kept referring to as vortexes in this hotel. A lot of mirrors facing other mirrors.

Not a good plan. A lot of them in the rooms, a lot of them in the hallways. There's like a continuous staircase of vortexes that they were just losing their shit over. Oh, my God. Yeah. And I was like, oh, that might be bad. Are they trying to conjure some shit up in there? Maybe.

And I have read in a bunch of sources that a lot of people have like super. super like crazy temperature changes in this hotel. They'll get really hot, but they'll get really cold. But most of the time, it's really hot. So you need your ember wave. You need your ember wave. Wow, that's a callback. But they can't get comfortable. People like end up having to go outside to like air. Yeah. And it's like not because of anything the hotel is doing. It's the ghosts. It's the ghosties. Of course it's what I feel. It's the diamonds. Yes. So they were also feeling this in the middle of the night. They were like, why is it so hot in here? And I was like, I don't know, Sam and Colby.

Why? And I said, it's so hot right now. I also read about people getting bad headaches sometimes in certain rooms, like room 333, which tends to be the most haunted room. I wonder why. Because 333 is supposedly like associated with like bad shit. Lame. So there you go.

A lot of them woke up. In Sam and Colby's video, they all had headaches. They all kept getting headaches. And I was like, I believe you. I believe you. You'll give me headaches. This is 100% true. I'm worried for you if you need an accrued migraine. I have one. Oh, nice. But don't worry. One of them gave each, they shared an ibuprofen and it was adorable. Was that the moment where you're like, these are my people?

I was like, these are my people. Migraines. I get it. Yeah. So, yeah, I think that was it. I was like, let's be, let's have migraines together. Yay. So that's interesting. And I was like, whoa, okay. Then I found an article that said the England cricket team in 2004 stayed at this hotel as a team. and they were haunted as fuck while they were there. Oh, no. Several of them requested that their rooms be changed out sometime in the middle of the night. Ooh. Some of their wives, girlfriends, partners literally stopped.

They would refuse to stay in the hotel. They were like, no, I'm not doing it. That's scary. A guy named Stuart Broad, who was on the team, said the room was so hot and he couldn't sleep because of it. He was feeling so uncomfortable. And then all of a sudden, out of the blue, in the middle of the night, the faucets in the bathroom turned on, like squeaked on. Which they can't just like, it's not like it's electric and can just turn on. You have to squeak the faucets on.

It's not electric, Poggiogi, not electric. And he turned on the lights, and as soon as he did that, they squeaked off. And he turned them back off, they squeaked back on again. Squeaky, squeaky. So he was like, no. So he ran out of there. He was like, fuck that. And he changed rooms.

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Why is it always a dead bride? And it's always a doctor. It's always a lady. Now, after he killed her, he killed himself, apparently. So there was some stuff going on. It was their honeymoon. It was bad. It was like ready or not.

It was. Now, his ghost is a man that can be seen wearing Victorian attire. He has very dead eyes, according to reports. And he only trolls about during the month of October. My favorite thing is that they're like, this dead man has dead eyes. Dead eyes. He's not like lively and like, hello. He's not living.

He has dead eyes. And he only walks from, he's only seen in October. I kind of love that about him. Frankly, I don't blame him. If I had the option to only be seen in October, I also would take that option. October and June. Yeah, that's it. So a BBC announcer, James Alexander Gordon, actually was someone who brought this story forward in

1973 when he moved in that room. He was just like briefly staying in that room. But he was the one who came out. He said in October of that year, in the middle of the night, he woke up to a strange feeling. He then saw at the end of his bed a ball of light. So he watched it thinking like, am I really seeing this? Probably like all of us when we have sleep paralysis demons. I know I always am like, is this real?

Yeah. Am I really looking at this? Then the ball of light started changing and forming into a shape. And suddenly it was changing into the shape of a man, but his calves were missing. What? Below the knee, just gone, just floating there. Oh, no. He was the doctor, apparently, wearing evening wear from the Victorian period, and they just stared at each other.

Where did his shins and calves and feet go? I'm not sure. Alrighty. So basically it was like, and I looked at him. And he looked at me. And I looked at him. That was what was going on. But for real, he then just screamed, what do you want?

Because he was like, what the fuck is going on right now? Yeah. But then the ghost began to move towards him. with his arms outstretched. Get away for me. And he was done. I'm going to mace you. James got out of there.

He fucking ran out of there. Apparently he ran into the lobby. This is in the middle of the night, basically in a blind panic, and asked if, like, a hotel clerk would just accompany him back to the room because he was like, well, sir, I just saw a shinless ghost appear at the foot of my bed. And this guy was like, no, thank you, sir. I don't want to accompany you back up to that bedroom. Why would you even go back up there?

So he went back up alone. because he said his wallet was up there, like everything. He couldn't go anywhere. He was like, I have to get my wallet. Wait till my bedside table. And he said the ghost was still fucking there when he met back to the room. He said it was fading and didn't feel as threatening and it didn't even look at him when he came in the room. But he said it was still there.

I got chilies just saying that. I did too. And he told his colleagues at the BBC the next day. He was like, fucking, I got to tell you what my night was. And did they lull so hard? No, several of them who had stayed there because at this point, the BBC, own the hotel and like people would stay there. A lot of them said, I saw that too.

Why? And thought I was crazy. Oh, I have tingles. To which I say like, what a team building exercise this was. I know you will be the best team. Bonded. Bonded for life. For eons. Now, apparently there's also a ghost that appears that has a giant gnarly wound on his face,

like right in the middle of his face. I picture that ballerina with all the teeth in Cabin in the Woods. I don't know why. That's the first thing I think of. Yeah. But he just likes to walk around the hallways. I don't think he really does a whole lot. Let him. And I say if you see him, just let him walk. Top of the morning to you, sir. He's taking a stroll. Let him have it. Hello. He's missing part of his face. So like just give him a moment. He deserves a stroll. Now, you may also feel a German prince manifest as a spirit here. What does that feel like? Feels cold. Does the temperature change? Okay. You can often find him standing in a window on the fourth floor. That was very Boston. I'm sorry, fourth. Floth flaw. Just staring.

He's just staring. And he's said to have jumped to his death out of the fourth floor window of the hotel, and now he just can't leave. And he's described as literally in every source I saw in these were like at least three or four sources. I saw this one description was either described as hefty or beefy. Rude and rooers. Which is like, whoa, I never described.

It goes that way. No. He apparently has cropped hair in a military type jacket. it with like a high neck. He looks very distinguished. All right. This beefy man. And he likes to jump or he likes to just walk through, not jump. He likes to walk through doors.

I mean, I would too if I was a ghost. But like right into rooms through the doors. So be careful when you're just hanging out in the buff because he could just walk through your door and be like, hello there. I would say. But in German. He's extremely active and he's seen a lot. Like he likes the attention.

He's an attention one. He's a Gemini ghost. He probably is. Now, apparently the Emperor Napoleon III lived at the hotel for a time during his exile. What? And he just chills in the basement now. All right. We'll see him.

And in room 333, again, back to room 333, it has a ghost that will just wait until you're asleep and then try to either throw you or tip you out of the bed by shaking it violently. No. Yeah. I once lived in an apartment where my bed would shake. That feeling, like, you hear that in. so many paranormal stories, but that feeling when you actually feel that is absolutely fucking terrifying. Because like you're vulnerable. Yeah, and your bed is shaking. And what are you supposed to do? And you were just so relaxed a minute ago? You were. Like you always, you were sleeping. So,

God, I, oh, I can like feel that. Now, one guest literally ran from the whole ass hotel in the middle of the night because it was so intense of a shake from this wily spirit that she was like, I'm out. Now also, this happened to Samming. Colby while they were there too. Their bed shooketh? I believe it was Colby. I think you were wearing a striped shirt, Colby. You were in the bed and you said, I feel it shaking.

Just let us know during our collab. One of you, yeah, during our collab, you can let us know. During the time when we ghost hunt with you ghost hunters. It's going to happen. So yeah, you can let me know if it was you in the bed or not. You know, it's actually funny. 333 is actually about manifestation. So we're just manifesting right now.

We're just manifesting here. So there's also a Victorian footman who is wearing like a powdered wig and it's very fancy and he just hangs out in the library distinguished he will sit in a very cold spot though it's like the whole room doesn't become cold you'll just walk through and be like oh cold spot and that's when he's like top of the morning handy for a hot flash you know there's also a butler who's on the third floor he's just walking around and he stays on the third floor just doing his business um he is said to be wearing socks with a lot of holes in them oh i don't know why he's just is still working though so just he's just trying to make your fucking stay beautiful maybe leave him out

some new socks just be nice to him okay give him some wool socks it sounds pretty cold in there please do because he's just trying to do his job still and he should be able to do so comfortably he's just making your stay great can you fucking imagine if you were a butler like and you didn't really like it and then you just had to do that for the rest of your whole god damn existence no fuck a whole no thank you fuck that really hard no that's the langham hotel I like that you ended on the butler with Holy Sox. It felt right. That's pretty fantastic.

It did feel right. Oh, sorry. I squeaked my mic. We got a new desk and I'm trying to figure out how to look at my computer. Also look at Elena and talking to my microphone. Life is hard. Thanks for asking. It is hard.

So I'm taking us all the way to Hollywood. Hollywood. Hollywood. Hollywood. I bet that's shocking. I'm going to take us to the Hollywood. Roosevelt Hotel, which is located in Hollywood. Hollywood.

California. There you go. All right. So the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, it is located at 7,000 Hollywood Boulevard, and it's actually Los Angeles longest running hotel. Look at that. Fun facts. I made my ex-boyfriend take me there when we went there.

Okay. I thought you had been there. Yep. I thought so. Yeah, I was like, I want to go there. Maryland stayed there. Did you look at any mirrors? I didn't.

Hmm. Well, its doors were first open. on May 15th, 1927. And throughout the years, pretty much anybody who is anybody in Hollywood has stayed there. We had back in the day, Mary Pickford, I've talked about her a ton. She actually was one of the hotel's founders. Marilyn Monroe stayed there, like you said, Clark Gable. And then more recently, like super big stars like Beyonce, J-Z, Prince, RIP before his death.

And of course, my girl Lilo have been spotted there. Of course. Yeah. And I think if the walls that the Roosevelt could talk, they would definitely tell you that they have seen their fair share of cool shit. Shirley Temple supposedly had her first tap dancing lesson at this hotel. My God. Which is like wild. Errol Flynn tested out his first batch of bathtub bootleg gin.

Yeah, he did. And he did it in a barbershop in the back of the, uh, of the back of the hotel, like in a bathtub. That's amazing. I was like, why was there a bathtub in a barbershop? Why not? Don't ask questions. said. And also, I thought this was super duper cool. The hotel actually hosted the first ever Academy Awards slash Oscars. That's cool. How crazy is that? And the first ceremony was like super short.

I saw in one source that it was five minutes long and then I saw in another that it was 15 minutes long. Either way, probably better than what's happening today. Yeah, far too long. And they only handed out 13 awards at the first one. They were very choosy. They were. I think, you know, bring it back. And if that wasn't cool enough, this place is said to be haunted by the ghost of the one, the only. The queen. Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn.

So Marilyn actually did her first debut photo shoot by the pool at the Roosevelt, which is called the Tropicana. Yeah, it is. Which I love. And some of the most famous photos of her are on the diving board. Some people say that she was selling toothpaste, other say sunscreen. Either way, protective substances for your teeth or skin. And either way, I'm buying it.

I'm buying whatever Marilyn is selling. Now, when she officially moved out to California, the Roosevelt was actually her official resident. She lived there for almost two years. Damn. And her one request, maybe there was more than one, but like I like to represent her as a humble queen. Of course. Her one request was that a full-length mirror be placed in her room. Yeah.

And I get it. I get it. Fit checks are important, okay? Now, I can only personally imagine how much time she spent looking in that mirror, like getting ready and shit. If I looked like Marilyn Monroe, I would look in the mirror all day. I would actually... Never stop. I would have never been in a movie because I'd just be sitting and looking at myself, full-blown narcissism right here.

I love it. But yeah, I feel like she spent a lot of time looking in that mirror, which would make sense because she haunts that fucking mirror to this day. Wow. Allegedly. Allegedly. She's also been seen wandering around the hotel, like, outside of the mirror and inside of her favorite rooms that she actually stayed at while she was living there. Room 229, book it,

Sweet 1,200, book it, or over the pool in one of the cabanas, 246. Okay, I'm booking all of them. Let's book every single one. Now, it said that housekeeping workers were the first to see her reflection in the mirror, and it was while they were cleaning one of those rooms. This woman was kind of, you know, like maybe windexing the mirror, dusting it, I don't know. And all of a sudden, she's like, oh, there's this very sad looking blonde woman. She must be behind me because that's how mirrors work. So she turned around and she was like, let me help this sad looking blonde woman. But there was no sad looking blonde woman to be found. Because that was Marilyn. So she looked back in the mirror and the woman is still there, still sad, still blonde. And that's when

she realized that she was looking at Marilyn Monroe. Oh my God. I would be like, oh my God, I know I probably only have a second to say something to you, but like, I love you. I wouldn't even know what to say. It would be like when I met Andrew McMahon from Jack's Manikin, and I would literally spend the entire time in line thinking of what to say to the man. And then I get in line and I literally just blurt out, I love you. It's true. It was the most embarrassing moment of my life. Thanks for, thanks for being there. This photographic proof of it somewhere.

There is. But yeah, there's other variations of the story, but that's like the one that's most often shared around. So once people started talking about spotting one of Hollywood's most famous stars inside a fucking mirror, people wanted to get their hands on said mirror. They were trying to summon Miss Monroe for themselves. Yeah. So for that reason, the staff at the hotel, they were like, oh, fuck, that's going to get the people coming. I mean, we had the first Oscars here, and now we have a mirror that shows Marilyn Monroe.

Yeah, I'd come. So they put it downstairs by the elevators, and apparently they put two big pictures of Marilyn on the wall opposite it. So, like, technically, they're not lying. She's always in the mirror. You're going to see her. You are going to see her. It was then eventually moved next to the gift shop, and now it's said to be in storage somewhere. Oh, that's fake. Why would you just get rid of that mirror? No, you wouldn't. Can I have it? I don't think they did. I feel like they just like put it in a random bedroom and I don't know, maybe we'll have to wait in here from the guest who finds Marilyn next. Also, if it's in storage, like I want it. I need it. Can I have it? Can you just give it to me? It's a really pretty mirror too. Yeah, I want it. It's like dark wood and everything. Oh, give me it. Okay. I'll call someone. Thank you. So, but Maryland is actually not.

the only celebrity who haunts the Hollywood Roosevelt. Four-time Oscar nominee Montgomery Clift is also said to haunt not only room 928, but actually the entire ninth floor. Whoa, look at him. Now, if you're not aware of who this man's is, he was a very famous actor between the 40s and the 60s, best known for the misfits, a place in the sun, and the movie that he was filming while staying at the Roosevelt from here to eternity. Ooh. Which is like really creepy once you realize that he actually does seem to be spending the entirety of his eternity at the hotel. Ooh, I would hate that. Yeah.

So while he was working on the movie, he would pace the halls of the ninth floor, just repeating his lines over and over again. And to this day, people say they hear low mumbles on the ninth floor while they're in the hallway. And sometimes they feel like somebody's bumped into them or brushed up against them. So they're like, could that be him like still pacing the hallways? And he's also said to still mess with the radio and the heat settings to let people know that he's lurking. I love it. So, you know, if you're visiting the ninth floor and your room gets a little

toasty, just ask Monty to turn the heat back down. Monty, take it down. Take it down. Take it down a notch. And while you're at it, you also might have to ask him to stop playing the music so loud, but he's not going to. Because guests who stay at the hotel, to this day, again, still hear him practicing his trumpet all around the ninth floor. Oh, damn. And I wish you guys could have seen that Ash did a little trumpet move with her shoulders too. I, she grieved. She grieved. Yeah, shimmied while playing a phantom trumpet. Air trumpet over here. It's the new air guitar, spread it like wildfire. There you go. But apparently the years of practice haven't really helped him so much because it's not so good. Oh, I'm sorry, Monty. I know. He actually had a really sad life. He, like, got into a car accident and actually became like disabled and like hurt his face and all this stuff. Poor Montgomery. Had a really, really sad life. But I'm going to be honest. I get overstimulated with a lot of noise. So me too. I'm going to need you to take it down. Thank you, sir. Thank you.

Now, the next two celebs who are said to haunt the place are Clark Gable and Carol Lombard. No big deal. Casual. Who are they? Well, while they were alive and after they were married, they decided to spend their honeymoon at the hotel in the penthouse suite on the 12th floor. Now, apparently there's a belief held by a lot of people in the paranormal world that ghosts will go back to a place or a time where they were the happiest.

Which seems to be the case here because Carol and Clark, Clark still hang out on the 12th floor. Stop. And they also hang out in the Blossom room. And the Blossom room is actually the banquet hall where they held the first Oscars. So it makes sense that these two actors are drawn to it. Hello. Of course.

I believe it. Now down in that room, guests have actually reported this one spot in the Blossom room where it's impossible to get or to stay warm. And it's like a super crazy cold spot that is about 30 inches in diameter. Whoa. Which is like pretty big. Yeah. And they say it's freezing cold.

Most of the time, the temperature in that one single area is at least 10 degrees colder than the rest of the room. Wow. Isn't that weird? That's weird. There's also just a random man in a top hat that sits in the room that, like, nobody claims him. Nobody claims him. Nobody claims him. They don't know him.

Whose man's is this? He's just lurking. They think he's like some actor that may have, like, been in a movie and tuned into the Oscars. Oh, man. Poor guy in a top hat. Just stays lurking. Hmm. And then there's also.

Also another little ghost girl who wanders around in a blue dress looking for her mom. Oh, I'll help her. Isn't that so sad? Oh, that's really sad. I'll be your mom. I'll be your mom, little ghost girl. Now, Janice Oberding, sorry if I said that wrong. Oh, Oberding. Oh, Oberding. Yeah, I was just setting up excitement. Yeah. She's an author and she has a theory as to why so many celebs still hang out around the Roosevelt. In her book, the big book of California ghost stories, which if you don't buy that, you're stupid. She says that, Quote, perhaps being a celebrity means never having to leave the party. I love that quote. I love it so much. Such a good quote. Put that in one of those like light things that Gen Z loves. That Gen Z loves. You know?

One of those light things. I want one of those light things. It's got to say something completely innocuous, though. It should say something so lame. I know if I got one, you know what it would say? I would hang in my living room. Guess what it would say? I don't know.

So, so silly. Farts. What if you just got like this beautiful pink light? That would be amazing. And like in beautiful, sorry, I stepped on a chip bag. And that's who I am. In beautiful pink cursive lettering, it just says, farts. Please get that.

And like you have to look at it for a second to see what it says. To like understand. Yeah, like Ma would come over my house and be like, Fart Farts. And then she'd question how she raised me. Please do that. How do you get one of those? I do you can order them on Etsy.

Let's order one. We're going to go to the P.O. box. And there's going to be like nine that just say farts. We can make a fart wall. Oh my gosh. That's all I've ever dreamed of. That's all you've ever dreamed of. Please don't do that.

No, I don't want that. But you can do it. I want you to do it in your home. Farts. I need you to do it in your home. I'll do it in my office. In your actual home.

It needs to be in your living room. Okay. I got to talk to Drew. All right. I think Drew Safer will be into it. He's a farty boy. So something I actually realized I do a lot and I'm not going to do it anymore is I will scarf down my whole plate of food and I'm like, oh, God, I feel horrible afterwards because

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All right, so moving on from that, my next one is the Ben Lohman-Soo-E-Loman-Sour. Suites in Ogden, Utah. So I go from London to Utah. That's just like fitting in a weird way. I don't know. It just makes sense. Felt right. I felt like I was spending too much time across the pond.

I had to come back for a minute. You wanted to stop at Beauty Lab and laser? Uh, what? Can't tell you. I don't know what that is. Housewives. Oh, okay. I don't know what that is.

I was like, I really don't know what it is. I'll be in on the secret. Oh, man. Well, these were built in 1927, and it was one of three grand hotels in Utah. Oh. I picked grand hotels. The grand name. So where the hotel, where this hotel was, was actually the site of two previous hotels before it. They tried.

They gave it their best shot, but a lot went down there. So the first one was the Reed, which was built in 1891, and it was five stories, pretty cool hotel, pretty decent. But apparently three days before the hotel even opened to the public, the brother-in-law of the owner, his name was William B. Steele, he just up and died from tuberculosis in one of the rooms on the bed. Yeah, I bet that happened a lot back then. Whoops. And apparently there was eight. Oops. That's not good.

Oops. There was eight more deaths after this in the hotel. Oh, no. Now, September 1921, a new chef at the hotel fell down an elevator shaft to their death. Their name was Asuki Nakone, I believe it is. I'm sorry if I said that wrong. Apparently, the elevator came up. They just stepped in while not looking.

And the car had not come up with it. So they just fell down the shaft. That is my biggest fear. It happens like, weirdly a lot, too. Even still. Yeah. I hate elevators. I do not like elevators.

I've gotten stuck in an elevator before. And it was the scariest experience. No. Horrible. Didn't you get stuck in an elevator and somebody threw up? Yeah, I got stuck in an elevator at Boston College. And I mean, it's very evident why I got stuck in the elevator. I chose to go on one with like 30 people in it, which was really stupid. But yeah, a girl had a panic attack and threw up. Another girl couldn't find her inhaler. Somebody was smoking weed in there. I was like, dude, what are you doing? I would lose my damn mind. Yeah. And then firefighters had to come and like lift us all up. And I was not 21 at the time. And was, I had to get out of there. I had to get out of there. I had to get the fuck out of there.

Oh, and my phone got, I lost my phone in the movie. Oh, yeah. And then we had to go to the dining hall after we, like, ditched the firefighters. And this super nice girl came over to me because I think I was, like, in my background picture with someone else. And she was like, is this your phone? And I was like, it is my phone. And I got my phone back. That was a great story.

I mean, it was. It was a story about kindness and not stealing. It was. It had a message. It had a message. Unfortunately, these elevators are terrible. So the moral of the story, elevators suck. Yeah, they do.

Now, another guest was Helen Van Allen, and she was staying long term in the hotel with her husband, and she shot herself in room 1902, and her husband and a bellhop found her. Oh, yeah. That's very sad. Now, the read was demolished in 1926, when a big banker bought it and decided to make his own hotel,

on the site. The hotel that was built in 1927, the following year was the Bigelow slash it became the Ben, you know, Lomenschweets. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Also, I just love that he's like, a hotel already exists here, but I'm actually going to knock it down. I'm going to build a hotel. A hotel over this. And he's like, I'm going to make it bigger. You can't just renovate the one you have. And you know what? This hotel was a wild place. It was in 1927, and it was where the roaring 20s were definitely the roaring 20s. And like gangsters, bootlegging, like all that stuff was going on here. Very Gatsby.

There was a tunnel under the hotel that was used to smuggle alcohol. Fuck yeah. But was also a tunnel that would lead into other parts of the town and city where like a nefarious and like sinister dealings were going on. Obsessed. Like all kinds of like. Obsessed. Just things of the night, basically.

Let's go. Yeah. Apparently they cemented it shut. Why the fuck would you do that? Because I think it just was going to lead to a lot of nefarious things. Fun. Yeah, like fun ruiner city of Ogden. Yeah, fun sucker.

But, you know, there it goes. So March 9th, 1929, actually, a guy named Edward Spelman was killed there, like murdered. And here's the story. This was during it, and there's like newspaper articles for this. There was, this was during the Utah Canters Association Convention, which sounds wild. I feel like we've talked about Canner. I think we have. I feel like we have.

A man named Dan Rowland invited some of his fellow canners to the room upstairs where he was staying in to have some like pregame beers and drinks. We love a pregame. And just, you know, like be men. But then, you know, it was up on the 12th floor. They all just hung out. Some ladies and wives came in and out during this whole thing, drinking with them. They all hung out for a while, went back downstairs to the ballroom where the whole like

party and shindig was going on. Now, one of the men who was with them was his friend and colleague. Edward Spellman. They were all now back in the ballroom and he suddenly excuses himself and goes back upstairs. So Dan Roland is a little suspicious. He's like, why are you going back up to my room? Yeah, like we just left. Like, did you forget something? So he goes back up to check on him, and he finds that Edward was in the room. And it was because one of the one of his other colleagues' wives had passed out drunk on the bed, and he was assaulting her. Oh, what the fuck. So Dan went in there and he ripped him off her

and he starts like beating the shit out of him because he's like how dare you? Yeah. And he ends up throwing him into the hallway. They're fighting like scuffle, scuffle, scuffle. And he, Dan lands a serious punch to Edward's face, knocks him into the wall hard and

he dies. Damn. Boom, dead. Now he died from a ruptured artery which is like an aneurysm. Oh shit. Now Roland was apparently charged with murder for this. but was acquitted later because they figured out he had died from the aneurism and not the punch, and they could not determine that the aneurism was caused by anything else but natural causes.

It was just a weird coincidence. Divine intervention. Whoa. Now, check out this website, wearwuffs.com, by the way. Werewolves? I'll link it in the show notes. They just had a lot of information on this, and they had, like, other paranormal stuff on there, too. That was really interesting.

So I just wanted to point that out. Now, in the Bigelow Ben-Loman Hotel in 1939, two men Glenn Jackson and Elmo G. Chapman arrived at the hotel one day. They were belligerent and angry and they weren't staying in the hotel and they were kind of arguing with the staff. And then they just walked into the elevator and took it up to the top floor. So the manager sees them, tries to follow them, and she kind of like corrals them at some point and it's like, I'm getting security, you need to leave. When she's getting security, they run off back to the top. floor and then they both apparently jumped out the window together off the top floor of the building. What? Later it was discovered they had just both lost their jobs. Oh, there's newspaper articles for this one too.

This is real. How sad is that? Because you know how sometimes with like hauntings and stuff? You're like, I had this story, but like there's nothing really. There's so many articles for this one. It's funny that you're finding all these articles. My next one, I was like, I tried to find it. I tried, but I could not find it. And it's so sad. There's like a lot of suicides at this hotel. Yeah. Now, in July 16th, 1951, a teacher, Donna Anderson, she was a teacher,

like, locally for 20 plus years. She jumped from the 9th floor to her death. And according to an article from the desert news, she was found first by her friend on the 9th floor. Oh, God. And she hadn't jumped yet, but she had slashed her wrists.

And her friend tried to help her, and she pushed past her friend and ran and dove out the window. Oh, God. No one knows the exact reason, but she was having health problems recently, and people think it may have been worse than she was letting on. And she just... I can't imagine being that friend, too. And, like, I can't imagine. Yeah.

Obviously, like, the survivor's guilt. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Like, I can't imagine. I also encourage you to check out history goes bump in the night blog. Because there's a lot of cool information on there, too. I'll link it in the show notes. Now, August 24th, 1976, so we're in the 70s now.

Johnny Perez, who was a 15-year-old boy at the time, came into the hotel to rob it. Oh. And in the middle of everything, he's trying to rob the clerk at the front desk, who was a guy named Henry Topping Jr. He was 65 years old. Are you kidding me? In the process of trying to rob him, he ended up stabbing him 44 times and killed him. So people, and he was, like, charged with first-degree murder.

He's in prison. I mean, yeah. Now, people still feel like they can sense Henry. the clerk in the lobby. And staff say he turns on the music over the speakers a lot. And like, apparently he was like a music lover. So they think that's him. Now the elevator at the new hotel acts crazy.

Don't get in it. Yeah. It moves independently of being summoned. It will like stop and just open clothes. Like it just, it's not. It's working totally on its own volition. And they've had like elevator repair people come out and check it. And they're like, nothing's wrong with this elevator.

like nothing is wrong with it. There's so much wrong with it, though. It's ghosties. That's it. Who are you going to call it? But there's also these stories about a woman who died in one of the rooms, 1101. She drowned in the bathtub. People say, sometimes people say it was after she got married.

I don't know if that's the truth. Always. It's usually a bride. You need a bride. It was just a woman. We know that. And later, her distraught son came to gather her things from the hotel and just like, he was like very upset. So he stayed in the room next to that room where she died. And it was 1102. And he got so

upset and was so depressed while he was staying there that he ended up killing himself in that room next to the room. So now in those two rooms, people feel like really heavy, weird vibes. And also the water in the tub will just turn on and start filling by itself. And if you take a bath in there, sometimes you'll feel hands like pressing on you, like pushing you. Fuck that. It was, it's crazy. And, I saw in a couple of sources, people who had stayed there were like, no, I felt it. Like, I felt like someone was pushing me out of the tub. No, no, no, no, no. Yeah.

I never take a bath at a hotel. No. People also hear a man and a woman talking like a radio almost in rooms. Like they'll feel like they hear a radio and they're like, what is that? But it's just like hearing voices talking to each other. Oh. Like disembodied. People will also smell perfume, especially lilac perfume, which was a favorite of the wife of the original owner.

So they think she's just walking around checking out everything, making sure everything going on? I always love a perfume haunt. We love a perfume. We grew up with a perfume. I was going to say in my house, you could always, you could always smell Chanel number five because that was the perfume that my grandmother wore, uh, wore and you can smell it when you're like stressed out and it'll calm you. Luxury baby. Always. Luxury will calm you. There are also a lot of temperature issues in this hotel as well. Always. A lot of cold spots, the places that like just will not get warm. They are always cold no matter what. But, Many guests will hear, like, disembodied voices in the middle of the night walking by their doors as well. And they'll be like, huh. Like, I didn't think anybody was on this floor or something, and they'll peek out and no one's around.

Goodbye. Yeah. Staff gets calls in the lobby from room 1106 often. And they'll check and see that no one is staying in that room. And no one ever talks when they answer the, they'll, like, answer the phone and nobody will say anything. And then it just hangs up. I hate it. And no one's in the room.

And there's this tale where they think it's this. mother who was staying in the hotel during World War II and her son was a soldier and she got a call that he was killed in battle and she like died of a broken heart in that room. Oh. Isn't that sad? So many residual hauntings. So many. And the last thing that will happen is security guards will pass by rooms and they'll hear noises in the empty room. Go to check it out. No, but nothing's in there. And they're like, okay. And they'll go shut the door and as they walk away, the door handles will like violently shake. No. Yeah. And I'm like, no, thank you.

Yeah. So that is the Ben Loman Suites in Ogden, Utah. Sure is. Which was two other hotels before it, and not good. And not good. Not great. I mean, it's great. Like, go stay there if you want to. It's fine. Yeah, stay. But like a lot of shit happened there. Yeah, fun. Fun. Fun for haunts.

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And Grill. And Grill. It is also a grill. It's also a grill. It's actually not a. anymore. And now it's called the 21C Museum Hotel because it's different. Oh, because it's different. It's different. But either way, it's said to be incredibly motherfucking haunted. I'm ready. So this original hotel opened up in 1888. Oh, does that year sound familiar to you? I don't know, just the year that Jack

the Ripper was doing his thing. Yeah, creepy. Just that. Also, because it opened like so long ago, it is the oldest running hotel west of the Mississippi. Good for it. And I have to, and I have to, had a lot of fun writing out M-I-S-S-I, S-S-I, P-P-I. Thank you. So these days, it actually houses guests for short stays and also features apartments for people who are interested in staying a little more long-term. All right. So some of those tenants, like especially from the apartments, have stories that will give your chill bumps, chill bumps. Go curl your toenails. Yuck. Now, reportedly the most haunted room is room 505. So you came for my number. I'm coming for yours. There you go.

Now, a woman named Betsy Ward is said to have died in the room while she was staying there, either in like the late 1800s or the very early 1900s. I did check newspapers.com and I could not find anything to say that a woman had been killed there, but it's a fun ghost story, so proof be damned. And you know what? If it was in the 1800s, maybe it just wasn't reported on. Exactly. So there you go. Yeah. Now, there's like a lot of stories as to how she died or was killed.

Some people think that she ended her own life in the room's bathtub. Other people think that she was killed by somebody who broke in. And then other other people say that she actually suffered a heart attack while she was in bed sleeping. Oh, okay. But one thing is for sure, she haunts that damn place to this day. Yeah, she does. She does. So while the hotel was being renovated in the late 90s, which if you know anything about paranormal shit, you know that they don't like a renovation.

No. And while it was being renovated, a man named Larry Freeman was living in the now apart. apartment 505, which used to be the hotel room of the same number. So one day Larry gets out of the shower, he turns off the water because, you know, he's done with the shower and like save the fish, closes the curtain. He's like, let's not get water everywhere. Heads to the sink, wants to get his dental hygiene on. Yeah.

As he's doing so, he hears the water start back up again. And he's like, the fuck. And then he looks over his shoulder and he sees that the curtain is wide open and the water is most definitely running. Hmm. So he goes over and he's like, maybe I'm just having like a geriatric moment and I didn't just do what I thought I did. So he turns off the water, closes the curtain, la la la, goes back, tries to brusha, brusha, same thing happens again. Uh-oh. Same thing happens again. Now according to hauntedhomes.com, which is like a super fun website with a ton of information about them. Oh, I saw that one too. Haunted homes. Yeah. It's really good. I've used it before. It's a good one. Now according to them, Larry carried out the same steps four times in total before he ran. ran the fuck out of his apartment and got a hold of the property manager who was Sean Brines, I'm going to say. Now, it's a little unclear what Sean did to resolve this specific

issue. I don't really think he specialized in like ghost evictions. Probably not. But one day, on a separate occasion, Sean was actually heading back to his own apartment, which was also on the fifth floor of the hotel. And he heard some super loud music coming from Larry's place. And he's like, Jesus, this guy's a pain in my ass. And he heard jazz music to be more specific. So anybody who knew Larry, he was like, wait, what? Anyone who knew him said, Larry exclusively listened to rock and roll. And he always had any radio that he owned set to a specific station that only played rock and roll. Hell yeah, Larry.

Larry rocks. Larry only rocks. Yeah. So this was weird for Sean because he was like, what the hell? But he was more worried about the noise than anything. So he made like a little mental note to talk to Larry before the day ended because he had shit to do. He had to go run errands. Yeah, you had shit to do.

Yeah, so he goes down to the lobby to head out and do a shit that he's got to do. And he sees Larry walk in. And he knows that Larry lives alone. So he's like, wait a second, what the fuck? So he's like, hey, dude, what's with the loud music coming out of your place? And when did you take a liking to jazz? Yeah. And Larry was like, what the fuck are you talking about, man?

So the two of them head up to the apartment, knowing that they're the only two people that have keys to this apartment. And they're like, did somebody break in somehow? And just play jazz? And just, I mean, did like the axe man? I was going to say. I was going to break into my home. Yeah.

So when they get in, they realized that the music wasn't coming from like where Larry usually played his music, which was a clock radio that he had. But it was actually coming from this little flick on radio that he had next to his washer and dryer, but he didn't use it very often. And there was no way that anybody else was in that apartment. They checked and they found absolutely nothing. Whoa. And they were just like, I don't know what to do about this.

It's a jazz playing ghost. It's a jazz playing ghost. Like, fuck that. I'm a rock and roll kind of. guy. Yeah. But so Larry is like whatever like I don't know what to do about this and I got to sleep here. Yeah, he was like, I guess I have a roommate. Yeah, exactly. He's like, cool, you're going to pay rent, buddy? Yeah. But he's like, all right, let me ignore this, whatever. So another night, he's sleeping. And there's this huge heavy, I'm pretty sure it was like made of oak, which is incredibly heavy.

And it's a sliding door that separates his bedroom from the living room. So he's going to bed. He's wide asleep, I was going to say. He's wide asleep. He's fast asleep. And all of a sudden, he wakes up to the noise of the door sliding open because it, you know, it's like on a runner. So it's going to make that little like bunga-bon. Yeah. And it's heavy. So he's hearing it. And he wakes up and he literally is like, what the fuck is going on?

Like what is happening? So he goes around and he searches the entire apartment, but the door is still locked to the apartment. And there was nobody in the apartment. No. Insane. Get out of that apartment layer. So then he starts kind of talking to his neighbors and stuff. And then he found out through a neighbor who knew the hill.

history of the hotel that 505 was reportedly super haunted because Betsy had died there. Ah, so it's Betsy. Yes. Now there's more stories because haunts than hotels. Of course. Another encounter comes from this young guy who was staying at the hotel while his friend was working in the lobby. Since she was working there, she had an apartment on the fourth floor. And I think he was like getting ready to also get an apartment there. So he was staying with her for a little bit. Now, he was like, fine to stay there. He was like, live in, having a good time. He's like, cool, whatever. So his friend is down in the lobby working, and her neighbor comes over, and she's like, hey, lend me some sugar, I am your neighbor. I'm just kidding. Direct quote.

She needed some sugar. Yeah. And he was like, okay, it's just going to take me a second because like I don't live here. So like, do you mind if I just knock on your door when I have said sugar? Like, I got to find it. I got to go locate sugar. Yeah. So if you don't mind. Must locate the shug. So she was like, okay, sure. So she, he like locates the sugar. he makes his way back over and he's like, oh, she must have company because he hears voices coming from her apartment. So he knocks on the door and he just about shits himself when the woman answers because she did have company. She's sitting there just waiting for her, for him to hand over the sugar, but he's too busy looking at the ghostly grayish man figure standing next to her. Oh. So later,

he said that the man was wearing a 1930s double-breasted suit. Hot. I know super hot. And that he was really just like an outline almost of a person. Like he looked like a person, but it was hard to, he was misty, you know, Father John Misty. Yeah, he was just, he was misty. Oh, the woman sees this kid's terrified face and goes, oh, that's my dead husband, Fred. That's just Fred. Oh, I can see you're about to shit your pants over there. That's just my dead husband.

That's just my deceased. To spouse. Don't even worry. It's all good. Don't worry. That's a man I buried in the ground years ago. Just Fred. Don't freak out. Calm down. Give me my sugar. It's just my dad husband.

I, wow. That's why you don't do people favors. That's great. Don't get it. That's great. The guy, for some reason, actually still continued, ending up getting his own apartment there. Just one floor below the fourth floor where the woman had introduced him to dead Fred.

Dead Fred. And it seems like dead Fred actually took a liking to this poor kid. Sick. All of a sudden, this kid's room would get, like, super duper cold at night. And he'd be like, okay, Fred, like, calm down. Calm down, right? And then I guess he would like candles on Sunday morning. I guess that's, like, something you do in the Catholic religion before you had to church.

Oh, okay. I don't know. And he would come back and he would find, which, like, also dangerous because, like, don't have any flames in attended. I'm very concerned about this. Yeah, don't be doing that. You can get those ones now that are just, like, fake candles like those. but he came back and all of his candles were blown out. So, like, I think dead Fred was looking out for him.

If I was Fred, I'd be like, listen, I'm not dying twice. I'd be like, have you ever heard of Smokey the Bear? Yeah, this is my house too, buddy. Only you can prevent hotel fires. Exactly. Yeah, so weird. Wow, Fred. And then also one night he came home from work or like something.

And he said there was all his records and cassettes just all over his bed. Like Fred was just trying to figure out what to listen to that night. That's amazing. He moved out shortly after. I mean, he's not doing anything mean. He's not. But everybody was saying, like, maybe he just, like, really took a liking to you because he helped out his wife.

Exactly. And he thought you were a cool cat. Yeah, and he's like, I want to check out his music collection. Yeah. What are the kids listening to these days? I want to make sure he's okay. I'm blowing out these candles. I'm worried for him.

Yes. He's like, what's the cool jams? And he's like, everyone likes to sleep in a cool room with some snugly blankets. So I'm going to cool it down for you. Obviously. I say Fred is really in the right here. I think so too. Fred, for life.

Honorable mentions go to a little girl dressed in Victorian clothing that apparently just runs around the fourth floor. Yeah. Yep. Yep. An old man who wears a purple jacket that is sometimes spotted in the basement of the hotel. Okay. He's just chilling. Yeah, he is.

He wore a, no, it doesn't work. And another honorable mention goes to a 32 caliber pistol that was just found chilling in the wall while they were renovating the hotel. Oh, my God, I thought you were going to say the ghost of a 34-cali-cal-cal. A pistol. No, the actual thing. Whoa. You were like, tell me everything. I was like, tell me more about the specter of a pistol.

That would be it. Holy shit. Do you think that's like happened? I hope so. That's the next episode is ghostly weapons. Email us. Yeah, spirit weapons. Morbid podcast at gmail.

com. Name it spirit weapons. Name it honorable mention spirit weapons. Because wow. No, no. They just like found a 32 caliber pistol sitting in the wall. Just in the wall. Yeah. And you're like, that definitely murdered someone.

Easy. No reason to hide that in the wall unless you did something bad with it. Real nefarious. It is. That's our first installment of haunted hotels. And I got to say, I want to do like 800 more of those. There's so many. I mean, there's a lot of hotels across the world.

So we're going to keep doing these. These are fun. If you have any that you want to hear, you know where to find us. Morbubbodcast. Atgumel.com. Make sure you put in the subject line, haunted hotels. Yay. Woo!

And we'll do more of these because they're just fun every once in a while. You know. And after talking about Jack the Ripper for five episodes, I was like, whew, give me some spooky. Let's have some fun. Let's have some fun. All right. Well, guys, we hope that you keep listening.

And we hope you keep it. Weird. But not so weird that you don't email us about ghostly weapons. And haunted hotels. Those too. Do it. Bye.