Morbid - Justice For Katie Palmer

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

On the morning of April 21st John Palmer and his wife Katie decided to start their day off with a nice walk together before the craziness of their day to day ensued. They didn’t know that one of their neighbors would also be out that morning, driving his F-250, impaired to say the least. Katie and John were both hit by that man, Cory Todd Foster. John suffered serious injuries that left him in the ICU and unfortunately, Katie was killed in the crash. Cory Todd Foster, who has a 20 year history of vehicular crimes including DWI, reckless driving and speeding faced absolutely no charges. A huge thank you to John Palmer for speaking to us about Katie's life and the injustice surrounding her death. There are so many injustices in this case that will leave you infuriated, but the fight is not over. There will be justice for Katie Palmer, and all of us can have a hand in helping. For more information and updates on Katie’s case these are the best links:Katie Palmer ProjectJustice For Katie Palmer WebpageJustice For Katie Palmer Facebook GroupJustice For Katie Palmer Twitter Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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yeah all right are you ready i'm ready i'm really ready i'm gonna do that thing where i just start reading my notes i love that okay i love that so on the day of and or night of june 5th 1986 Bruce Nickel came home from work with a headache. I mean, that one often does. According to his wife, he took four extra strength excetrons and collapsed only minutes later. Ooh. Yes. I think I might know this one.

Fuck you. I'm not sure. Just kidding. It's great if you do. Either way. It's great if it's the one I'm thinking. Bruce took some exedrons and he collapsed after and then he died, unfortunately, at the Harbor View Medical Center.

That's terrible. That's really sad. He's come home with a headache and you're dead? Well, and at first his death was ruled to be the result of natural causes in emphysema. Ah. But his wife begged to differ when she heard about another death that had happened only about a week after her husband's death. Ah. So at first she was like, maybe it was emphysema, but that seems weird.

Yeah. And then she was like, this other person just died. So that's a weird coincidence. And you would think it would be like aneurism or something that they would think it would be. Right. So the other person that unfortunately died was Sue Snow. She was a mother and a wife and actually a vice president at a local branch of the Fuget Sound National Bank. Damn, you go, girl.

She was killing it. She was. She was 40 years old and had recently been married for a third time. Her new husband recalled a pair being madly in love. Aw. That's what they always say. Just kidding. Maybe they weren't madly in love.

You never know. Maybe he's a suspect. Ooh. Oh, he's thrown me for a loop. You don't know. I'm throwing you for a Carolyn J. Loop. On the morning of June 11th, Sue woke up and started her regular routine. She went to the bathroom to get ready, and she took two Excedrin capsules, which she did every morning.

Wow. Which some sites said that she suffered migraine, so she just took them in case. But then other sites, and one documentary that I watched, said that she liked the caffeine from the pill instead of drinking. coffee. Oh, okay. I mean, I get migraines and I take accedrin migraine. Yeah, but not every day, right? No, in fact, I only take them when I feel one coming. Wouldn't you build up a tolerance? I wouldn't want it. Yeah, I wouldn't want to take one every day. And I just wouldn't want to take like an over-the-counter pill every day if I don't have to. Well, some people said that she likes the caffeine, so maybe that's what it was. Or maybe she had migraines. I don't know. Either way. So actually, in my notes,

it says, except either way. This morning did not go on as usual. Oh, no. Her 15-year-old daughter, Haley, heard a thud in the bathroom, and she went to check on her mom. Oh, so did it happen, like, right away? Like, a few minutes after. Wow. Okay. So she went in to check on her, and she discovered that Sue was, like, on the floor, and she still had a faint pulse, and her eyes were open.

Oh, my God. That's horrifying. She said she looked dead, except her eyes were open, and she had a faint pulse. So Sue was rushed to the hospital, but because the doctors, like, couldn't figure out how to treat her based on her symptoms, she died quickly. Oh, and was sent to the medical examiner. Oh my God. I know. This is just like a nightmare. It's really sad. You just like take a pill that you like normally just take for like a headache or like a cramps medication. These kind of things scare the shit out of me. I know I wanted to take Advilp.m. last night, but when I had a lot of wine and two,

I was afraid to take anything. So while the autopsy was performed, Janet Miller realized that she smelled the scent of bitter almonds. Ooh. Wonderful. know what that is. Is that cyanide? Maybe. A toxicology test was performed and the results confirmed the bitter almond scent. Cyanide. Oh no, girl. So I actually didn't know this before, but only between 20% and 40% of the population do not carry the gene to smell cyanide. That's interesting. So like some people can smell it, but some people can't. Yeah, that's interesting. I don't know if I would want that trait. I mean, it's kind of a good trait to have, yeah. Anyways, so investigators did a search of the snow home and discovered that cyanide, the cyanide came from the accedron capsules that Sue had taken

that morning. So fucked up. And more fucked up, her husband also took excedron from the same bottle that morning. What? And he was fine? And he was fine. So it was determined that three capsules out of the remaining ones contain toxic amounts of cyanide. And she happened to get. And it was just like, the unlock of the draw. Wow. So news in Seattle spread quickly after another tampered bottle was found at a grocery store in Kent. And at this point, Bristol Myers, who is slash was the manufacturers of Excedrin, I'm not, I think they still are. I don't know. Well, Bristol Myers. They were at one point of list. The manufacturers of Excedrin published, publicized a recall of all Excedron products in Seattle. And a group of drug companies came together with an offer of $300,000 reward for the

capture of whoever was responsible for tampering with the products. Oh, God. This must be so hard to figure it out. So in the meantime, Stella and Sue's husband, Paul, both pointed the finger at Bristol Myers and filed wrongful death suits against the company. I would in one second do that. Absolutely. And then while this was all happening, FDA went out to the plant, which was in Morrisville, North Carolina, to inspect it to figure out where the cyanide was coming from. How far reaching is this now? Exactly. Is this nationwide? So they inspected it and that was the tainted lot had come from that branch. Oh, okay. So, but when they got there,

they were unable to detect any signs of cyanide whatsoever in the branch. Wow. Like nothing. So on June 18th, Bristol Myers recalled all Excedron capsules in the U.S. That's probably a good idea. And warned consumers not to take any that they had previously purchased. I didn't piss because that's the only thing that helps my money. I know. Can you imagine? I'm going to be so freaked out.

And they probably lost like billions of dollars. So then two days after that, the company announced a recall of all of their non-prescription capsulated products. Oh, shit. So like everything. Oh, my God. And then on June 24. fourth, a cyanide contaminated bottle of Aniston 3 was found at the same store where Sue had purchased

the Excedrin that killed her. So it's like, is somebody doing it in the store? Well, wait. So then, because I know, I know this case, but I don't know the detail. So on June 27th, Washington State declared a 90-day ban on the sale of non-prescription medication in capsules. Oh shit. Like any fucking medicine at all. So if you had cramps, you were getting out your heating pad. If you had a headache, you had to go to bed. You just had to deal with it. Yeah. Wow, that sucks. Especially for people with like chronic pain and stuff that have to take like, yeah, you know, just these like over-the-counter pain pills just to like get through the workday. Exactly. Oh, that sucks. Like I said, Stella, back to her, had serious doubts that her husband died from emphysema. And she told police that he had

died after taking the excedron capsules and that this must have had some connection. Yeah. So she actually gave the police two different bottles of the excedron that she claimed. to have bought from two different stores. I heard how you said claimed. Yeah. So at this point, thousands of bottles from the Seattle area had been tested for cyanide, and only two came up positive for traces of the poison. And they were the ones that killed the people, right?

I believe so, yes. And Stella's bottles were tested, and shockingly both came up positive for traces of cyanide. So now that makes four, and she has two. two of the four in the entire. Yeah. So actually I don't think that includes the ones. I was going to say so that probably doesn't. I think one of them was sous.

Two were the one she handed over and one was random. That makes sense. But then eventually five bottles total were confirmed to have cyanide traces, including the two that Stella had. Yeah, that's a lot. So two out of five you got and you bought them at two different stores. The odds of that? Like some math genius needs to write out the odds of that because that's crazy.

You're unlucky, girl. Yeah, you're real. unlucky. Well, Stella always seemed to run into bad luck. Oh, Stella. She was born in Portland, Oregon, and do you say Oregon or do you say Oregon? Oregon. I don't know what I say. I just said Oregon. I think I say Portland, Oregon. Yeah. Maybe when I'm talking, I say Oregon, but then, that sounds weird. Sounds like Oregon. Yeah, like Oregon. I like Oregon. So, yeah, she grew up there, and she had grown up poor. She was married before Bruce and had her first daughter, Cynthia, at 16 years old. Okay. She had another daughter years later, but there's not much information about that.

She had also been into frequent trouble with the law over the years for things like fraud. Oh. Forgery. Oh. And beating her daughter, Cynthia. Oh, okay. Yeah. So little stuff. I forgot what she beat her with, but she beat her so bad that she bruised her cheek, I believe. Oh, my God. And when... Like when she was a kid? I think she was like nine years old. Oh, my God. I mean, not that it's better to beat your adult child, No, but still child abuse is fucked up. And she said it was because she was jealous of her. Oh, Stella's not looking good here. Like her daughter, she said that her daughter was jealous of her.

Yeah, Stella is not looking good here. Like, girl, like maybe don't do that. Yeah. Maybe you're her mother. Like, I don't know. Like, try to be her mother. Yeah. So she didn't have the best reputation either after all that.

Weird. So strange. That's very weird. People said that she liked to wear tight dresses and go bar hopping with her husband Bruce. which take out all that other stuff and like you do you. Yeah. People were like she was, I think when you add on all the other stuff, you're like,

Stella, what are you doing? Yeah. Basically, it sounds like she was just kind of tacky. Yeah. Like, she doesn't seem like she's living her best life. Her classiest life. No. I really like the name Stella too.

I do too. I love that name. I can't be liking it anymore. No. Because that's all I'm going to think about. Is that she's just not doing well. Doesn't somebody yell that in a movie? Stella!

A streetcar named Desire. Wow, that's it. You said that fast. Sorry. So, yeah, according to Cynthia, her mom had been getting really annoyed with Bruce lately because he'd been out of work a lot, and he'd also quit drinking. And Stella thought that was a bore. I know that it really annoys me when people get sober. Like, what is up with you? Why are you sober? Like, come on. Get out of here. Fucking Bruce. Fucking sober. So for five years, Stella had been talking to Cynthia about killing her husband. I mean, mother-daughter shit, right? Yeah, you know, like bonding as you eat dinner and get your nails done together. You're just like sitting there. Like, I think I'm going to kill Bruce.

Watching Project runway and you're like, I might kill your dad. Is that cool? Well, it wasn't her dad. Cool, cool. But still, like your father figure, is that cool? And she just felt like it would solve a lot of her problems. Yeah, totally. It won't bring any new ones at all. Jail. Yeah. Killing people always solves problems. It never brings new ones. For sure. It's just like clear the air. I'm glad that she watched an update line to realize that. She totally did. Yeah. So another thing that would probably solve a lot of her problems was the $76,000 life insurance policy that she took out on Bruce in 1985. Guys, life insurance policies are tricky, man. I don't think I'll ever get a life insurance policy. If you're not doing it together, then there's a problem. If one person is doing it on their own, you know, there's a segment. There is a segment.

on 2020 in your future. And also, sometimes if you're doing it together, it's not good either. You don't know what your boy or your man or your woman or your lady has planned. I'm going to bury it under an old tree like Ron Swanson. Yes. Off the grid. So the other thing that probably would have solved a lot of her problems is if her husband died accidentally. Yeah, I mean, wouldn't that solve everyone's problems? Well, it would really help her because if Bruce died accidentally, finally, it gave her an extra $100,000. Wow. And also she was the sole beneficiary, just so you know.

So she literally would have gotten every single penny of that. Man, the bad luck that this woman has. It's wild. It's just, it's really interesting. It's a huge bummer for Stella. It really is. So Cynthia came forward and told police that in the spring of 1986, her mom became fascinated with the Chicago Tylenol poisonings.

I was thinking of that one. Which is actually unsolved. That this, and that's the one I knew was unsolved. So I was like, wait. And for a second, I thought this might be that. And you're like, Ashley, wrong. It's 10. Yeah.

No, but I was like, ooh, this is a day one. And I'll say, it's Chicago, not Seattle. You are wrong. Hey, you did your research wrong. Guys, I fucking researched last night. You did. I'm very into this. So, she said that she knew her mom was capable of doing something like this, but she said, quote, when it's your own mother, you don't want to believe she could.

Oh, my God. I can't imagine being like, my mother is very capable of poisoning a bottle of Excedrin. My mom is very capable of literally murder. Like, I'm being very confident in that. Like, oh, no, she's very capable. My mother is very capable of handling cyanide. Yeah. Like, that's something.

That's a life. So it started to become pretty clear why Stella had been so adamant that her husband's death was not from emphysema. Oh, yeah. She wanted the extra money from the law insurance policy. Yeah. Like, as if fucking $70,000 isn't enough for you? I would shit.

But it's not $170,000. I would shit. my pants if anyone was like you get this yeah I mean what if they were like you have to murder your spouse first I'd shit my pants then too and say no thank you I'd be like yo who are you who are you shady finger

you're a bridge troll first you have to solve a riddle and kill somebody kill your spouse bye I feel like whoa I don't want to cross the bridge you went from riddle to murder your spouse what happened here thanks though so yeah she wanted the extra money from the life insurance policy and if her husband had been murdered by some crazy person lacing excedrine with cyanide,

that would surely fall under the accidental category. That feels pretty accidental to me. It feels super accidental. So the question was now, how were they going to get concrete evidence that she did it? You can't just be like, well, she got. Well, all of this makes a lot. It's a lot of circumstantial evidence that are pointing to it. But they wanted a good ass case.

So Cynthia came forward with some more information. Oh, Cynthia, what you go? I think she got a money reward for all her information. Probably. But like I would want to go on her. Yeah. Childhood I had. Stella told Cindy that she'd been trying to poison Bruce with Foxglove.

Oh, with Foxglove. Foxglove. Yeah. Hidden in capsules, but that it had been unsuccessful. Wow. I think that's also called like Digitalis. I believe it's all. I meant to look more into it, but I didn't. After this, she started going to the library to check out books on poison as one. Does. Cynthia never thought to be like, hey, stop. Maybe she did.

Like, don't. Or maybe she was afraid her mom was going to hit her in the face again. It's true, but I'd rather be hit in the face than be like knowledgeable about my mother poisoning someone. But who's to say that she didn't? That's true. Stella seemed unstoppable to a few others. That's very true. So, yeah, she had been checking out books on poison, which, like, you're leaving a paper trail if you're checking out fucking books. So the police headed over to the Auburn Public Library.

with a search warrant for all the books that Stella had checked out. Oh, no. One was legit called human poisoning. Like, girl, be a little more nonchalant. How to murder your husband for dummies. Yeah, exactly. Like, you might as well have checked that out. And like, I have a lot of weird books that would definitely put me on like an FBI watch list if somebody looked at my library, but I'm also not slowly poisoning my husband. That's good to know. I feel like that's where she crossed that line. I was thinking last night when I was like typing in 50 million things. Like how to know if you can smell cyanide. I'm like, the cyanide Chicago murders. I was like, I'm fucked if anything ever happens to anyone. I think that all the time while

researching cases, because I, I Google the weirdest shit to try to get the little details. Like, like you were saying, like, how you can detect cyanide. I know that. It's like, they're like, yeah, you're a murderer. Who are big brother is watching my search engine right now. Oh, God. So they fingerprinted the books too and found her fingerprints like all over the pages. just like loving all over it. Including one page for cyanide. Oh, interesting. Like that specific page of cyanide.

Again, what bad luck for her. Yeah, it's really shitty. It's just very coincidental. So in case that wasn't enough evidence, it also became clear while inspecting the contents of the excedron, the ones that were contaminated with the cyanide. Within the cyanide, there was also little green specs. Ooh. That they were like, what the fuck is this?

What could that be? Is that the digitalis? Nope. Upon further investigation, they were tested and determined to be algae destroyer. Wow. That's very specific. The investigators remembered seeing a large aquarium at Stella's home. Oh, snap. Like, fuck yeah. I love when shit connects like small. Wow. Like that's awesome. Wow. So they started to check fish stores nearby. You know like the fish stores. You know fish stores. I thought that was funny. The fish store. The fish store.

They come across one that Stella apparently frequents often. We all frequent a fish store. I mean, who doesn't have a favorite fish store? Who doesn't? Mine's pet go. Where the pets go. Sponsor us, bye. The employee there remembered selling her the algae destroyer,

and he had told her to soften it before she used it. Ah. So it confirmed that Stella must have crushed up the cyanide in the same container that she had been crushing the algae or like softening the algae in. Oh my god. Imagine that leading to like that dumb move. It was it was present in all five bottles that were found. Oh shit. Like every single bottle. So it connected all the bottles together. Yes. Oh my god. So on December 9th, 1987, the jury indicted Stella Nicol on five counts of product tampering. Holy shit. Including two which resulted in the deaths of Bruce Nicol and Sue Snow. She went to trial in April of 1988 and was found

guilty on all charges on May 9th after five days of deliberation, which I feel like it shouldn't have taken that long. I know. But she was sentenced to two terms of 90 years in prison for the deaths of Sue and Bruce. Good. And then on top of that, three 10-year terms for all of the product tampering. Bye bitch. She still maintains her innocence. Oh, fuck off. Stella. And she's like, there's things that didn't come out and they paid the fish store guy. Oh, stop. It's Stella. It's Stella. Oh, I'm so glad

that ended that way. The algae destroyer. The algae destroyer. And that it was present in all the bottles. All of them. Can you imagine being Sue Snow's family? No. How much you would want to rip this bitch limb from limb? Because it's like, not only are you disgusting that you wanted to kill your own husband for no reason, just to get his money. But this person... But now you've

taking my loved one with him because you're an idiot. Like, I would... For no fucking reason. Like, that's so senseless. And she never, and she, she, she knew that was going, that was a possibility that was going to happen. 100%. Someone was going to get that bottle. 100%.

It's so messed up. Fuck. Stella. Man. I also could have gone like super deeper into that, but I wanted it to be like... I love it. I love it. It was so good.

That was great. That was like one of my favorite ones I've ever done. That's so weird. It's such a weird, like tampering with mediter. Like that Tylenol poisoning case is really crazy. It's also more fucked up that that one is unsolved. Unsolved. They have no idea who did that.

I remember, I used to come home and I was like always home alone when I was younger. Thanks, Mom. And I would watch like all these like fucked up shows that I probably shouldn't have been watching at like 12 and 14 years old. Well, 14's not bad. But I remember seeing one about the Chicago cyanide. Yeah. Tylenol poisoning.

Tylenol poisonings. On like the, remember like the E crime shows? Like he said you watched the Black Dalian. With AJ Benza. I remembered the Chicago one. Like watching it. Because it's a crazy. It's bonkers that they can't trace that back to anybody.

Yeah. Like that's the scariest part of that case. Well, the other thing is, in this case, they didn't know where Stella got the cyanide from. Like, there's no paper trail of how she got the cyanide. I didn't even think of that. Like, I couldn't find it anywhere. Wow. That's even scarier.

Yes. Like, how does this get just getting cyanide? Yeah. Like, what the hell? And like, there's fucking. Like there's fucking a trail of you getting algae destroyer but not cyanide. Exactly. Like someone remembers you buying that weird shit, but not cyanide.

I just love the fact that she told her daughter, like, I've been trying to kill your father slowly with Foxglove, but it's not working out. It's not working. So I'm going to take, I'm going to go to the library real quick, read up on some shit. Yeah. And I'll update you. She was researching how to murder. How fucking premeditated is that? I mean.

And then you try to maintain your innocence, but all your fingerprints were all over the fucking place. And it's not like you were taking it like true crime books, like case books just to be like, oh, I'm just interested in it. Human poisoning. Like you were literally looking up and then to have it connect to, like, it's like, no, these kind of coincidences don't happen. They don't all align. They just

don't. Especially that allergy destroyer. It's like, bitch, you're, you got got. That was the best part ever. You got got got. Wow. That was a good one. Yeah. That was really good. Thank you. Ash-centric morbid. It was ashystric. So, if you would like to follow us on Instagram, you can do so at Morbid Podcast. If you would like to send us a tweet,

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