Morbid - Listener Tales 103 Halloween 2025

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

ITS HALLOWEEN and we are reaching into our candy bowl to give you a spooooooky episode that's brought to you BY you, FOR you, FROM you and ALLLLL about you! Debdeb has gathered a batch of terrifying t...ales that will get you in the mood for the most wonderful time of the year!LISTEN to this (nearly)Nicholas-free version on all podcast platforms OR WATCH the Nicholas version on Youtube!If you’ve got a listener tale please send it to DEB by emailing us at  Morbidpodcast@gmail.com with “Listener Tales” somewhere in the subject line- and if you share pictures- please let us know if we can share them with fellow weirdos! :)Huge shout out to our video editor @aidanmcelmanMusic: Www.purple-Planet.com Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome, foolish mortals. Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena and also Pennywise's sidepiece. Yeah. And this is morbid. Welcome back to listener tales. We got Penny Wise's sidepiece and me, Madame Leota. I mean, a moment.
Starting point is 00:00:36 A moment for me, the table. Shout out to my husband for making this for me mostly. Shout out to Drew. He made like the head thing and the table, and then I decked. graded it. It's iconic. I burned the shit out of my fingers on some hot glue. Oh, I never, I love that you have to do this to look at me. Yeah. Because you look like, you're like, hmm, yeah. I can see all too much. I always burn the shit out of myself when I use hot glue. I cannot not burn the shit out of myself. It's hard. Welcome to the club. It's a hard knock life. It is a hard knock life. We're trying something new today. It was absolutely
Starting point is 00:01:08 impossible for me to use my laptop in my current state. Yeah. In my current state. So the TV is behind one of the cameras, and we're going to read off of that. And if it works out, I think it could be better for filming. Yeah, because we'll have our hands more and we'll be able to use more props and shit. Well, some of us don't have hands, but... I mean, some of us don't. Maybe later you'll get some. But maybe in the future, they'll grow back.
Starting point is 00:01:31 Yeah, you can see the future, so tell us. I feel like hands. I feel like hands. I feel like hands. You heard it here first. Madam Ray Leota said that if we can... I should have done some kind of crazy spin on this. Like, Nick, missed opportunity.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Hey, I have the table and I'm trying to use it much, much more in the future because this is too good to not use all the time. We're going to use it again. Imagine I'm Madame Ray Leota. Damn. Oh, my God. We could have put some good fellowship in there. Absolutely. All right.
Starting point is 00:02:05 You know what? We'll put in our pocket. Put in our pocket. I'm a bullet wound in my head. Pull in our pocket. Oh, my God. I love it. We'll figure it out next time.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Yay. So we're going to try this. We're going to read on the thing. And if it works out, it works out. Yeah. And if it doesn't, we'll go back to laptops. And if it doesn't, then fuck it, we'll be laptop first. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:22 Laptop forward again. Yeah. Okay? So tell us what you think. And also, my audio might be like a little bit different. I'm in a globe. Yeah. That's it.
Starting point is 00:02:30 That will be a little different. Yeah. A little different. But it'll be good, I think. I think so. Mikey's the producer. He's nodding his head. I don't produce.
Starting point is 00:02:38 It's fine. I'm just it. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. So who's starting here? Because we have Halloween tales. Halloween thanks to Deb Deb. Hold on, I need to curve my spine a little bit more.
Starting point is 00:02:49 Boy, yeah. That's the stuff. She's really committed, guys. Yeah, I'm super committed right now. Very committed. All right. Do you want to start or do you want me to? Yeah, I'll start.
Starting point is 00:02:58 Okay, start. So this one's called, he said his name was Bart. Simpson? Who knows? Me. Hey, Ash and Elena, long time listener, long time lover of you both. Oh my God, I love you too. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:03:10 Your voices keep me company at work, at home, insert literally any activity here. including when I'm trying to sleep. I adore your banter. We love when someone adores the banter. Most people do, I think. I think so, too. Yeah. Thank you for loving us.
Starting point is 00:03:23 Thank you for that. And the clear love you have for each other makes listening feel like a warm, haunted hug. That's so sweet. I like you. I like you a lot. Yay. A lot.
Starting point is 00:03:31 I'm going to move this so I can see you. There you go. We can high five. See, I saw hands. You saw hands, Ray Leona. My name is Amanda, and you can use my name. There are one trillion of us,
Starting point is 00:03:43 so it's not like it's mysterious. I've even dropped the A because I'm still dirty at mom for using such a popular name. Although she did want to call my younger sister Echo. Wow. Imagine if you're Amanda and Echo. Amanda and Echo. I'd be real pissed. I begged her not to and said, the teacher will do roll call and get to her and say Echo, Echo, Echo, Echo.
Starting point is 00:04:03 Which would kind of be funny, to be honest. She thankfully decided on Gemma, so maybe I dodged a bullet. Oh, Gemma's pretty. That is pretty. Now let me take you back to the early 2000s. I was 12. My little sister was eight, and we lived in a cozy little Australian suburb, not quite rural, but outside the city. Directly across the road were two other sisters, exactly our ages. Dream come true, right? Built-in besties you could walk to barefoot. Everybody wants that.
Starting point is 00:04:31 Oh yeah, that's awesome. At the time, our family had just converted the garage under our house into bedrooms for my sister and I. It felt like the pinnacle of independence, far enough from mom and stepdad to feel like big kids, but still within yelling distance if needed. We even had an intercom system, which we definitely abused. Oh, that's cool. As you should. I want an intercom system. If you have an intercom system, abuse it. Abuse the shit out of it. That's me telling you. One afternoon, probably inspired by one of my late-night charmed or buffy binge sessions,
Starting point is 00:05:01 my kind of gruelies. We decided to make our own Ouija board. Succeed. He said, go forth and find success with your Ouija board. He said, you will succeed. That kind of thinking is successful. thinking. Did he just say come forward and kneel? He gets so fucking reckless. I don't know what YouTube takes off, but like, I feel like that's borderline YouTube offensive. I don't know
Starting point is 00:05:27 what to say about that. Like, I've, that was a message for you. I have a lot of feelings. I don't like that one. He gets so spicy. Like, okay, Nicholas, damn. Nicholas. That's wild. Come forward and kneel? No, thank you. Never have, never will. Okay. I need to move on from that. That was a lot. We all should. Okay. We should all move on.
Starting point is 00:05:49 I see the future and we've moved on. And we have moved. That like really sent me. I was like, yeah, it's not good. I feel assaulted. You should. Okay. A piece of A3 paper ripped from one of our art assignment books.
Starting point is 00:06:01 Some scrawled letters and numbers, yes and no in the corners, the alphabet and so on. A shot glass from the bar and four little knucklehead kids thinking this would be a fun time. Voila. Hello, nightmare fuel. Nightmare, nightmare. At first it was all giggles. The glass barely moved, but when it did, it was jagged and slow. We put it down to our giggles. We must be bumping it. We slowed our breathing and decided we would get super witchy with it. Really get in the zone, but when we did, the glass did too. The slow, smooth
Starting point is 00:06:31 glide of the glass started moving faster with more certainty, not really spelling anything out, just zipping around the board. We asked for its name and the letters spelled out B-A-R-T. Bart if you're nasty I M-P-S-O-N There you go We all looked at each other with slight smiles But also a little scared Bart
Starting point is 00:06:53 Not a name I would have thought of And neither family were Big Simpsons fans So it felt off But also a tiny bit comical And surely not really an entity called Bart We continue to ask questions Probably how old he was
Starting point is 00:07:07 And when and how he died The questions and answers are foggy And I can't quite recall the details here probably as a coping mechanism. But I definitely remember the fun little make-believe witch coven vibe, shifting fast into something more sinister. That's sinister vibe. Without speaking out loud or deciding as a group,
Starting point is 00:07:26 we all just individually started asking if we could stop. All of us with vague understanding that it was something you were meant to do. You were not meant to take your fingies off without saying goodbye or being granted permission to leave the session. We just kept begging, can we please stop? We want to leave. Can we please stop? I hate that.
Starting point is 00:07:42 Yeah, that's awful. I hate that. You were smart, though. Can you not just say, like, okay, we're stopping now? I think you can. I think you can declare, like, I'm ending this now. Yeah. But maybe because they were young, they were like, we need to get permission.
Starting point is 00:07:56 But I don't know. I'm not positive, so don't take me. Damn, I guess I won't be doing a Ouija board with you. I know, I need to get. I need to read up on my shit. Yeah, you better. So the glass darted between the center of the paper and back to no over and over, aggressively fast, maliciously, and with what felt like evil intent,
Starting point is 00:08:12 And that's one thing snapped. My sister started bawling. My friend began driving. Damn. My friend's little sin. Me though, just barfing everywhere. Just driving. Fingiege's still on the planchette, yacking.
Starting point is 00:08:26 Everyone's so upset. They're like, stop, that's gross. I mean, I would get so overstimulated. I'd be like, get out. I'd be like, you just have to die then leave. I can't listen to drive. In the beginning of this, she said she liked me, And then she just said, I guess you have to die then leave.
Starting point is 00:08:48 No dry heaving during the Ouija board session where we were getting like possessed by some evil. Your rules are, they are finite. They're just, they are real, they're solid. You're crazy. I know. Crazy. I know. I say it from inside a table.
Starting point is 00:09:03 My friend's little sister, white as a ghost, blank stare, obviously unable to compute what was happening. I couldn't help it. All spooky logic went out the window. And in that moment, I decided to break every spirit communication rule in the book. and pulled the cup from the paper and snatched the paper and threw it behind me. Oh, no. And we all just sat there cross-legged, scanning the room to try to find some understanding to what just happened. I began trying to comfort everyone while comforting myself that maybe we somehow, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:09:30 subconsciously fell into our role too much, became little actresses and didn't realize the talent we were held to really lean into our witchy characters. But by the distressed look on all of our faces, I knew deep down that wasn't true. We bolted upstairs and through. breathy pants explain the situation to my mom, who basically rolled her eyes and said, you're all being silly. That didn't happen. It's in your imagination. That's so rude. But her generation was not one to entertain these types of things, and how could she help anyway? March down and wag her finger in the invisible demon's face and scold it for tormenting us? Yes. Feeling awkward and scared,
Starting point is 00:10:05 the girls headed home, and I sat with our sister in our new cool rooms, pretending to be adults, and addressed the bonkers situation again without our friends near and desperately tried to calm each other down. Seeing my sister too so afraid, I decided to do something, make a big move, something that goes against everything I stand for. Lie. I lied.
Starting point is 00:10:27 I lied. I told her I'd move the glass. I had to ease her fear in that moment. I knew she would forgive me, and even though it hurt to see her little heartbreak at the thought that I did just try to frighten everyone was super sucky, but she wasn't afraid anymore. She was mad, but I knew that wouldn't be forever. You're a good sister.
Starting point is 00:10:44 You really are. I decided to just box that shit up and sent it back into my noggin. I couldn't make sense of it and it was terrifying. So I saw no other option. Fast forward. I'm now 16 living with my dad with a whole different group of friends in my last year of high school. No one in my pack with any knowledge of Bart. It was but a vague memory that sat in the back of my mind locked in a box, no key in sight. I wasn't afraid of the thought. The box was there, but I had not even acknowledged it since that day. I'd completely disconnected. The memory was just. I was just, a weird shitty horror movie I once watched. One weekend, my friends and I were hanging out at my dad's while he was away for work. Correct. That's right, baby. He said, hell yeah, have a party. Classic team chaos. Snarks, snacks, and snarks, I bet.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Loves pretending to be adults, but with no responsibilities. What a bloody time. Oh, I miss it. What a bloody time. As the afternoon went on with a friend in the corner playing guitar, some friends up and down the back steps from playing pool under the house, when someone brought up to doing Ouija. I noped out. It's not that I felt afraid or that the memory was brought to the forefront of my mind. I was still very disconnected from it being a real memory at all, but I knew for
Starting point is 00:11:54 sure I was not joining it on the seance. I hung in the kitchen while some friends got together their makeshift Ouija board while I continued chatting with another friend. Then I heard one of them laugh and say it, Bart. And remember, she just said she did not tell any of her friends this. I should have seen this coming. I mean, you should have. Ray Leota. I immediately looked over. And while most of my friends were laughing at the hilariousness of the Simpsons wannabe ghost, one friend sat on the lounge had her eyes pinched shut. It caused me immediate discomfort to see her. And as I watched her eyes slowly open, I could see that her pupils were large and started to roll back into her head. Sorry, what? Her chest was rising and falling
Starting point is 00:12:39 fast as she sank back into the couch. Shallow breaths, then really fast breaths. The visual of her felt too intense to register what was happening, but the sign finally caught the attention of everyone else in the room. Disturbingly, I remember her tugging at her denim skirt, looking as though she was using all her strength to drag it to her knees. What? Eyes still shut and her breathing intensifying. Panic set in. This was my house. I was responsible. My friend is not breathing. I have to call an ambulance. My mind raced and I ran into the hallway and picked up the phone to call emergency services. I started to I started going through what I would say in my head.
Starting point is 00:13:17 Um, yes, hello, we need an ambulance. My friends are doing Ouija and Bart and breathing heavy and she's not okay. Not and Bart. Honestly, and Bart. Not and Bart. Then I heard her name being yelled out with sounds of relief. I rushed back into the living room, everyone crowding around her. She was pale, misty-eyed, and looked exhausted when she looked directly at me with purpose
Starting point is 00:13:37 on her face and said, don't worry, Amanda. My sister got rid of him for you. Oh, I just got full chills. Oh, under this. table, it's chilly. Her older sister had passed away from an asthma attack when she was young. What the fuck? I can't explain the cold that settled in me. No one there knew about Bart, not a soul, but somehow, because they just didn't know Nicholas. They didn't know. She didn't tell them, okay? Sorry, I'll be clear. She didn't inform her new friends of her old entity,
Starting point is 00:14:12 Bart. I love the What? I'm sorry. Sometimes he scares me. I'm just like when he goes, What? What? That was so funny.
Starting point is 00:14:31 He was just like, can you please explain? I did say it really fast, so sorry, Nicholas. So yeah, she just had one of her new friends and on her old friend Bart, okay? Anyway. No one knew about Bart, not a soul, But somehow he had followed me or had been with me since then.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Or something. I like the dot, dot, dot, or something. I just kept saying to myself in almost a chant, it didn't hurt me. So it's okay. I was never scared. Nothing happened. I'm fine. It didn't hurt me.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I was never scared. Nothing happened. I'm fine. It didn't hurt me. We are doing a lot of fast forwarding here. I apologize. Never apologize. You're fine.
Starting point is 00:15:08 But over a decade later, a memory jogged to that moment loose from whatever dusty mental box I'd shoved it in and I needed to know. Did that day really happen? Surely it was some weird memory I'd formed after years of listening and watching morbid material. T.M. T.m. I decided to message a friend who was there. Someone I hadn't spoken to since high school.
Starting point is 00:15:27 Hey, do you remember that afternoon of my dad's? The Ouija board, T.M. It sat on red for a week. Then finally, I'd be like, fuck you then. Yeah. Guess you don't. But honestly, if it was me, it would also sit on bread for a week. Double-edged sword there. Then finally I got a reply.
Starting point is 00:15:45 I'm sorry, but I can't go there. I worked really hard to get over the trauma of that day. Seeing our friend like that, the feeling in the room, it was terrifying. I had nightmares for years. I love that you just completely re-traumatize this person. It's kind of iconic. Good for you. That message, that response broke my heart.
Starting point is 00:16:01 But it also confirmed something I doubted for years. Bart was real. He was there. And I think he was right beside me for all those years doing who knows what. It's working. Anyways, I'm almost 38 now and I'm still very different. disconnected from that experience. Still super close with my sister, though. Hell yeah. And I've confessed to her only recently that I did lie to her that day, that I did not move the glass. I lied to you about lying.
Starting point is 00:16:24 Sorry, but she shuts that shit down quick and says she doesn't want to talk about it anymore, ever. I just say, it didn't hurt me, so it's okay. I was never scared. Nothing happened. I'm fine. It didn't hurt me. I was never scared. Nothing happened. I'm fine. It didn't hurt me. That's a great ending. That's a good one. I like that one. Also, that was like a really spooky way. and it's just chanting that over and over. Yeah, honestly. Damn. Crooky. I like that one. I like that one too. Manda. You killed it.
Starting point is 00:16:51 Good job, Manda. All right. So this one is called The Void with Eyes. My own passenger demon. Ooh, the void with eyes. All right. It says greetings ladies, which we are of morbid. Attached is my submission for listener tales at the request of my wife. Hell yeah. We are both fans, and she thinks this tale of possible demon possession slash interaction will pique your interests.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I think it will too. In exchange for your time, I offer you no less than three photos of our kitties, Maximus and Giles. But you can't guess who he's named after. Rupert Giles. I love it. I love that. I hope it is. I hope so.
Starting point is 00:17:26 I'm not Giles Corey. Yeah. Jals. Jals. Giles. Giles Corr. Oh, it could be Jiles Corey, too. Well, let us know.
Starting point is 00:17:34 Attached is the story in a 14-point double-space put-a-fah that when it was 12-point and single-space was roughly six pages and took me about four minutes to read a lot. loud. Oh wow. Please feel free to edit as much as needed or reach out if you have any questions. No, I might have questions. Never will edit it. But we won't edit. This is from Chris. Greetings, morbid mistresses, queens of the cast, wonderful weird women of the interwebs. Oh, I love when people come up with very elite names for us. I do too. It's fun. Love that. Queens of the cast. Yeah. Wonderful weird women of the internet in interwebs. I like it. I like it all. Yeah. My name is Chris and you can use my name. That's good because I happen. Everyone else does. At the request of my lovely wife, Brittany, please use her name. She will be stoked on life.
Starting point is 00:18:18 Chris and Brittany! Chris and Brett! Hell yeah! Who introduced me to your show, I am now submitting one of my personal favorite tales from my wildly irresponsible years. Yes, we love those kind of years. They always come with great stories. They do. Some quick backstory on what to expect. I dabbled with cursed objects and came back haunted. Unfortunately, without Trent Restor. I'm sad for you. I know, that's a bummer. Per the obligatory fandom, I've thoroughly enjoyed your taking. on true crime and overall style of your podcast. I've been pleasantly surprised with the content and overall humorous bantering that you both provide. People are loving the banta. People like the vanta. Oh my God.
Starting point is 00:18:53 Also, I'm late to the party, but congratulations Elena and the Butcher and the Wren. Thank you. And congratulations Ash on your marriage. Thank you. Thank you so much. I wanted to thank you both for making our hour-ish each-way drive to and from to and from work more bearable, giving us plenty to discuss. You're welcome.
Starting point is 00:19:09 Also included with this tale are pictures of our meow pals, Maximus and Giles. love that. Yes, Giles is named after Rupert Giles from Buffy. Brittany and I also enjoy listening to The Rewatcher, almost as much as Angel and Dyes, diving into piles of trash for rats and becoming part one. Oh my God. Chris. Listen to the rewatcher. Chris. That was iconic. That was iconic. Slip that into a listener tale's next level. Truly. And to have a cat named Rupert Giles. Yeah. Come on. All of the above. You're really killing it at life. Tweed magic. Well, apologies for the length of this. Never apologize. Never. If you do deem it long, feel free to edit us needed. No. I feel there was some important context here, so I hope you enjoy. Moving on to the tale. Let us travel back to the ancient times. Let's go. The 90s. I know. It hurts me too. Oh, I do miss the 90s, Chris. Me too. Those four years were awesome.
Starting point is 00:19:58 Well, here we are back in the 90s where an angsty child was exposed to dark genes. I was going to say genes. Oh, dark genres. Entirely too early. And the macabre spoke to them. That honestly describes both of our upbring One because I had you and you because you are just creepy Yeah, because I'm just naturally weird So I grew up on science fiction, horror and fantasy, no regerts But this led to a natural and very active interest in the supernatural Fast forward to the late teens slash early 20s
Starting point is 00:20:29 When I was living my high life as an hourly manager of Spencer's Gifts in Utah Oh, you really killed it with that You really killed it. I ended up working at Spencer's immediately out of high school school and made friends with the odd ducks working there already, namely John, my manager then and now longtime friend. We love John. The best part about my interview was being told later that he effectively stopped listening to my job experience after I mentioned previously having a pet bat. He was confident that I met his expectations after that. I love you and John. I'd like to know
Starting point is 00:20:58 a lot more about your pet back, please. Yeah, I really want to know about that. John spoke to all my inner 90s kids angst, and we shared most of the same interest, the same interest in history growing up. This was a nice change for being characterized by the, or chastised by the locals. I was that guy, always wearing black, trench coats, not fearing the sky, not fearing Sky Grandpa, etc. Sky Grandpa was crazy. Sky Grandpa goes crazy. I love it. John was the big brother I never had and we got along swimmingly. Oh, now that all the gushy shit is out of the way, you can now understand why John took me under his wing and began to teach me about magic, supernatural forces, and that, which I always felt calling out to me, but never knew how to
Starting point is 00:21:50 answer. John sounds awesome. He does. You're kind of my John. Oh my God. Yeah. I'm your John. You're my John.
Starting point is 00:21:57 That sounds weird. You're my Chris. Yay. There you go. All right. So, spoilers. Should have sent that called a voicemail. Oh.
Starting point is 00:22:05 Oh. I'm scared. Oh, no. Oh, no. What's going to happen? We started small. John was trying to determine if I had any ability to detect or otherwise sense these types of things in my vicinity and whether I had any connection at all to the forces at
Starting point is 00:22:19 large. The specific tests aren't important to what follows, but necessary, according to John, based on what I told him about my life. I've always been a bit weird, and I've had, on multiple occasions, been exposed to strange or inexplicable events with others present. I don't know why I'm a magnet for weird stuff, and the weirdness of life had come knocking several times before. I've encountered ghosts on multiple occasions, future sight. Same. Madam Ray Leota. I can knock it over that.
Starting point is 00:22:46 And accurately predicting the future. Ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, look at that. And also having been temporarily possessed, asterisk, future listener tale, if you would like. That's what we call burying the lead. We would like. Yes. The specific item I do need to call out here as relevant is a vivid, terrible, and specific recurring dream of me versus me that I have experienced off and on.
Starting point is 00:23:09 I essentially dream battle the cenobite empowered version of myself for domination of my mind and presumable soul. That's the coolest thing I've ever heard. my entire life. I'm shocked that you don't do that. Why have I never fought the centibite version of myself? Why have I never seen the cenobite version of myself? Alina's deeply pissed right now. I can feel it. It's like ruminating. I want to see the centibite version of myself. I don't know if I want to see the centivite version of myself. I smell another costume. Oh. Oh. Here we go. That's the coolest thing I've ever heard. Well, the dream has afflicted me ever since. since the said possession episode, good times.
Starting point is 00:23:50 Yeah. John decided to really see if I've got any sort of ability and goes to his room and locked cabinet. Oh, I don't like that he went to a locked cabinet. Now, despite being pretty fukken weed, what? Pretty fukin' weed. Pretty fud and weird.
Starting point is 00:24:05 I'm a very rational and logical person. Yeah. When I see a locked cabinet, I immediately assume valuables or weapons, which makes perfect sense to me why those would be locked up. Yeah. What did not make sense was the immediate sense of uneasiness that I felt wandering into this room where the cabinet was,
Starting point is 00:24:20 and the increasing feeling that followed once the cabinet opened. I assured myself it was nerves and all in my head. At this point, knowing John, this was the first time I'd been to his apartment, so this was all new to me anyway. John removed only one item from the locked cabinet. An object wrapped curiously in ornately marked silk cloth and its own individual bindings keeping the cloth in place. Ooh.
Starting point is 00:24:45 This was ominous as hell. Yeah, it sure was. Yeah. And once unwrapped, I could see what the hubbub was about. A mirror. Ooh. A round single piece of glass with a silver-colored metallic rim. The mirror itself was blackened glass, but otherwise plain.
Starting point is 00:25:00 That sounds sick. That sounds awesome. I like that. Is it like a scrying mirror? Yeah. That's exactly what I was just thinking. Look at that. The one specific phrase that John said as he did this was, do not look directly at yourself in this mirror.
Starting point is 00:25:13 Oh, no. I'd immediately look directly at myself in that mirror. My vain ass. The second someone tells it, right? I'd be like, how am I looking, though? It's just the second someone tells me not to. We did an investigation recently when they said don't look at the symbol. Did you look at the symbol?
Starting point is 00:25:29 I kept looking at the symbol. Oh, my God. She said, this person said, don't look at the symbol. You looked at it? It'll put you in a trance. And I was like, well, fuck. And I just started looking at the, because I was like, oh, no. Did you go in a trance?
Starting point is 00:25:40 Stop. No, I didn't because I kept stopping myself. But the second you told me not to do something, because I'm going to go into a trance or I'm going to explode, I'm going to do it. You know what? I don't want to. You don't want to. You don't want to.
Starting point is 00:25:51 It's just I've built that way. You tell me to do something, not to do something. I'm like, you are pretty defiant. She told me not to look at the symbol and I said, got it. She said, don't look at the symbol. And I said, I'm going to look at it so hard. And then I did. In the right scenario, I, I'll listen.
Starting point is 00:26:05 Like, if there's, you put me in the room with like a button and it says, don't push this. I'm going to struggle. Struggle, but don't. I'm going to struggle. Try to succeed in the end, you know? I try. My table's moving. That's so weird.
Starting point is 00:26:17 Maybe my leg's tired. Anyway. Maybe the table is tired. Maybe the table is tired. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's yomming. I don't know that table's life.
Starting point is 00:26:28 You know, it's sentient. So don't look at yourself in the mirror, he explained. And he explained that it was a type of seers glass or special device used to see what normalize are not attuned to. It's fair to say at this point, I was skeptical. And next he showed me how to hold the mirror in such a way that I could see reflections, but not myself. He said he would explain why not to look at myself once I proved that I could see with the mirror.
Starting point is 00:26:53 Okay. I would want some explanations beforehand. Yeah. I absolutely would. I may have some certifiable smooth brain moments in my lifetime. We all do. I know how to hold a mirror, okay? I know what they do, or I thought I did.
Starting point is 00:27:06 This is the part where I apologize if you brought the whole seat because you're only going to need the edge for this show. That was a funny. That was a great sentence. I like that a lot. Remember the uneasy feeling I mentioned going into the room with the cabinet? I do. I do. I held the mirror over my left shoulder as John directed,
Starting point is 00:27:23 positioned the mirror so the reflection was facing the doorway to John's cabinet room, and almost immediately dropped it. An ethereal, hazy outline of what appeared to be a person standing in the doorway of the room, mimicking the shape of a humanoid, but was clearly not. Oh. I hate it here. No. The only distinguishable features I could.
Starting point is 00:27:44 focus on were a claw hand on the door frame, small protrusions on the head, and shoulders resembling spikes or bones, and two eyes that I could tell were looking at mine as I did theirs. It's getting too heavy. It's got too weird in here. I'm going to laugh at my eyes off. I got to bring us back to geography. That was so. I'm going to cry. I can't cry. I'm my God, I can't cry either because I have no hands. Oh, my God. If you saw them once or twice, no, you didn't.
Starting point is 00:28:47 Africa. What, boy? Africa. Maybe he misses the rains. He blessed the rains down in Africa. Damn Nicholas. All right. Wow.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Wow. Appreciate that little palate cleanser. So the being almost looks like it was trapped in that space. By the tenacity it was exhibiting to move toward me. But it was stopped by some sort of barrier. I'm assuming the look on my face was what caused jockey. to burst out laughing. What a dick wad. I kind of love John.
Starting point is 00:29:17 Yeah, you're the John. And took the mirror from my hand before my shaky hands dropped it. He explained that this being arrived after he was previously attempted to perform incantations unsuccessfully. And stressed to me the importance of not meddling with natural order. I love that he was like, just taught you some shit. Yeah, he said, you don't see it. That's wild. Damn.
Starting point is 00:29:39 That's crazy. And he said, I shouldn't do that one learning about magic and paranormal. Um, what? That's all I get? Huh? Don't do that. Fuck you, John, if you're listening. Love you, though. Did I listen? Fuck no. Of course not. Of course not. Like I would send you a story that ends with smudgy glass. Just kidding. It wasn't smudgy glass. I did try to clean it, though. Going back to the mirror, I did the same thing and saw the being in that room, watching, glaring. I could feel the intensity of it as I moved around the living room. Any angle I directed the mirror at the room's doorway, I could see this being, focused very intently on me. John even walked through the doorway to prove. John even walked through the doorway to prove. to me that there was nothing in or on the mirror that could simulate what I had seen. It wasn't long after this that things began to escalate. They always do. It hasn't already? I know, really.
Starting point is 00:30:25 Damn. Fast forward a couple more months to where my mother decided to run away from her abusive husband. And I needed a new place to live because I didn't want to become the new target of abuse. Oh. My brother John took me in, of course. I love that. Okay, I take it back. John's not an asshole.
Starting point is 00:30:39 My brother John. I always believed in you, John. Right? After moving in with John. in the entire time leading up to, I grew increasingly curious about the mirror and other occult objects that he had. I don't blame you. But never as curious as I was about the mirror.
Starting point is 00:30:53 His only request was that I only use or study these items in his presence for safety, as he said. Bitch, I've been possessed, I thought I could handle this. I waited for John to leave one day. And then I opened up the horror cabinet, which I now had access to regularly. Oh, no. I removed the mirror from its encasing and held it in my hand. Chris, you are fucking.
Starting point is 00:31:13 up right now. What are you doing, Chris? You know those moments where you tell yourself you shouldn't do something and you do it anyway? Yeah. I looked at the mirror. I raised it slowly and with my eyes closed. Once at face level, I opened my eyes and initially the panic did not set in. It was seemingly a normal dark mirror and otherwise worked as a mirror should. Insert, heck and concern. Heckin concern. When I felt the same unusual feeling from the first time that I entered the room months before and what I felt the first time I used the mirror, but did not see the same entity I had before. Instead, I only saw the room reflected in the dark glass and myself. This next part, I'll do my best to explain, but I don't know if I can truly define the horror
Starting point is 00:31:55 of this moment. I felt internally. Oh, I thought that was a new sentence, L.L. He said, I don't know if I can truly define the horror of this moment that I felt internally. I was getting really ghost with it. So I very distinctly remember thinking to myself, I must have been crazy to think that this was anything more than just a mirror and saw the reflection smirk in the way that I normally would, except that I hadn't physically moved. Oh. I was almost paralyzed everywhere except my eyes. My attention focused intently on my reflection in the mirror. So I noticed that my expression in the reflection changed for my own, turning into a scowl and gradually changing into a,
Starting point is 00:32:39 wide wicked smile. So as the mirror move farther away from my face and overall my reflection faded out, the hazy outline of our previously mentioned hellish version of myself from my recurring dreams stared intently at me. It's the cenobite version. The cenobite. I can't tell you how jealous I am that you've seen the centivite version of yourself. Oh, we love that so bad. I don't know if you do based on this story. I just want to see it. I'm not sure. I want to know what I'd look like as a Send a bite. Maybe somebody can just draw it for you and you don't have to go through all this. Well, we locked eye contact. I panicked and wrapped up the mirror, placing it back in the cabinet, then closing the door to John's room. Smart. That was the first time I saw myself outside of a dream.
Starting point is 00:33:21 This was the first time I truly started to fear that my previous experiences, I know, I don't really know what happened. I couldn't let it go. To fear. To fear. To fear. That my previous experiences were real. A little. Did you say I'm scared? A little. Are you saying? Yeah, I am scared. I am a little, Nicholas. Fear. I sat for what felt like an eternity
Starting point is 00:33:42 trying to wrap my mind around what I had just experienced and infinitely made this worse by going to our bathroom to try to wash off my face and gather myself. As I walked past the mirror in the bathroom, out of the corner of my eye,
Starting point is 00:33:54 I could see that my reflection was not the same as what I was wearing. Scars, cuts, and abrasions covered my face and exposed flesh made me appear almost ghoulish. But when Derects, directly looking at the mirror, I appeared as I normally did. That's not okay.
Starting point is 00:34:11 That's so scary, John. Imagine seeing yourself all fucked up. Yeah, just look in the mirror and you go, that's a scary mask, bro. That's a scary mask, bro. Another fun imagery I began to see was violent outbursts, such as punching the reflection surface and breaking the glass. Another was smashing my face into the mirror and then reveling in the blood and gore of my shredded flesh.
Starting point is 00:34:31 And this is a vision that he's getting? No, I think this is what he's seeing. Like, he's seeing. the corner of his eye, yeah, in the mirror. Like, he looks directly in the mirror and he just sees himself, but if he gets himself out of the corner of his eye, I think that's what happens. He's like smashing his face into a glass. Yeah. And it said, this would only happen for a moment before being whisked back to my current state,
Starting point is 00:34:51 confused and simply standing in front of a reflection. Holy shit. Always pain, torment, and violence, but never in reality. And always, always, the face that haunts me from the reflection. I'm so freaked out by this. Over the following weeks and the remainder of time that I and others, occupied the premise with me. There were many instances or strange unusual behavior occurring. Even after John ultimately moved out to be with a cursed Vahini worse than Buffy.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Worse than Buffy's. Oh my God. Whoa. That's pretty cursed. That's cursed. Leaving me alone to battle whatever demons I had inadvertently summoned, we eventually moved out. But this brings us to the most important part of the story. Confirmation. Two distinct moments I feel are why I now have a passenger entity tied to my being. You better call Rachel Stavis. You better. John and I went on many adventures together. One that followed the events described was meeting a friend and a mentor of his that was supposedly a mystic.
Starting point is 00:35:46 Insert actual title here. I'm not sure what she had was a mystic other than cryptically horrifying my ass. 10 out of 10 would be horrified again. So he wanted me to meet her in the context to the types of magic and energy that we studied, which was fine. No problems there. The problem was when walking into this person, from her son's home. She stopped what she was doing, looked at me, and in an unusually callous way, pointed in my direction and asked, are you here to get rid of that?
Starting point is 00:36:16 Bitch. And she motioned to what was an empty space beside me, or what you thought was empty. Are you here to get rid of that? I'd be like, I am now. Imagine if you were like, no. No, that's my friend. Thank you. Maybe don't be rude. God. We're taking our shit elsewhere. Why isn't everyone welcome here? Come on, Steve. So then you'll be a lot. Come on, Steve. So she proceeded to confirm visually what I saw in the mirror from the first time I used it. Obviously, I was perturbed without me telling her any specific details about it before, which I took as a sign that she knew what she was doing, or she was the real deal.
Starting point is 00:36:51 She and I spoke at length following this, and she was even able to speak to events in my childhood that I never told anybody about, including my wife and my family. To this day, I cannot explain how a person I had never met before was able to tell me about events in my life that I'd never told. spoken about out loud to any other human being. But I trusted their judgment because of it. I would.
Starting point is 00:37:11 I would too. The second moment was honestly a bit scarier because it came from someone I knew and not the same woman that John could have slipped a 50 to to mess with me beforehand. That's funny. Years later, I was living with a bunch of friends. The standard, two broke to live on our own arrangement in a house of five. Been there. By this time, I had taken a friend under my wing as a brother of source as John had with me.
Starting point is 00:37:33 Blue, we'll call him, since I don't want to get him in trouble for this. That's a good friend. He was experimenting with a substance like DMT. I mean, to each their own. It was a rough time. Blue wasn't an addict, but he just hit a rough spot and tried something that he never tried again. It's not like he was hooked on it, like how Angel was hooked on rats and diving into piles of trash and becoming part one. This is Chef's Good.
Starting point is 00:37:54 I'm obsessed. You're just melding our two worlds together. You really are. Anyway, the reason this is important is that Blue was not somebody who had ever known or been told the story about my passenger. so there's no way that he could have known to say what he said. While he was under the influence of this substance, I was walking by him as he sat on a couch. He stopped me and said,
Starting point is 00:38:15 What is that? Ooh. And I could tell from his tone in response that he was not excited about what he was seeing. What? I asked? Confused. As it was just he and I at home at that moment and we didn't have any pets. That void with eyes, the white thing?
Starting point is 00:38:31 Oh! Insert clip of my Oscar-winning performance of playing it, playing it cool when every fiber of my being was screaming to flip out. What the, if somebody said, what is that, that void with eyes, the white thing? Yeah. I probably just start crying and never stop. You know at the end of that Marcus video when he just takes to the sky? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:53 I think I would just take to the sky. Wait, you should, you should say, nah. Like he does and then take to the sky. Nah. Nah. No. So I asked him again. and he described a translucent white hazy creature resembling the shape of a human,
Starting point is 00:39:10 but specifically with red eyes following closely behind me and looking directly at him. No. You got to shower that shit off or something. You have to take to the sky. You got to shower with holy water. I eventually told him the entire story once he sobered up. What he described before I explained to the story shook me to my core, though. He had seen what I had seen and described exactly how I'd seen it,
Starting point is 00:39:33 without having any means to know what was seen previously. He didn't even know John or the mystic. What's more is that as he described it, I could feel that same energy. When he called it out, as I once had before, when I first was exposed to the mirror, as if my dark passenger was trying to remind me it was there. Oh, fuck that.
Starting point is 00:39:53 You need one of those spray bottles of holy water? Like a cat, you're just like, you just like, t's it. Yeah. Damn. You need to like Blanche Devereaux it and be like, Yeah, honestly. Since then, I still have an aversion to mirrors and my reflection. I don't like seeing my reflection, nor do I like being in front of mirrors and reflective objects for extended periods of time either. Can't say I blame you. I have had others mention unusual energy in my presence. The mystic I spoke to explained that if this was truly a malevolent being, that it would have
Starting point is 00:40:21 certainly acted on that by now, and instead offered me an unusual explanation of, it needs me. And our semi-symbiotic relationship must be required for it to exist in our realm, and therefore it has no reason to hurt me. Oh. Well, it hasn't helped me, even. Yeah, real nice. I didn't get cool powers. I wasn't shown such sights it wanted to show me. Oh, my God, you and I are meant to be friends.
Starting point is 00:40:48 Yeah, 100%. Like, truly. My unusual dreams of self versus self have also changed over time, becoming less frequent, but now more vivid. When they happen now, it almost feels more like a conversation between this being and I. Ooh. The void with eyes. Oh. I love that.
Starting point is 00:41:07 Wow, that's terrifying. That's so scary. Thank you for taking the time to consider my tale. Honey, consider it considered. You and your wife forever. You and Brittany. And John. Chris and Brittany and John.
Starting point is 00:41:17 Chris Brittany, John. And Blue. Blue. Everybody. Yeah. The void with eyes. Forever. Maybe not the void with eyes forever.
Starting point is 00:41:24 I have you figure out a way to get rid of it. I appreciate the wonderful content you lovely gals bring into the world. Thank you. Thanks. I plan to keep it weird long into my elder years if my dark passenger allows. I hope this brings at least a little bit of excitement into your lives. And if anyone ever tells you to look into a cursed mirror, maybe don't. Take it away, Ash.
Starting point is 00:41:43 Keep it weird but not so weird that you go into a locked room and a locked cabinet with a locked mirror and you look into it even though John told you not to. And then you get a dark passenger for the rest of your life. Unless maybe he decides to leave at some point when you sprit yourself like Blanched ever row with holy water. Wow, that was a good one. Thank you. I really tried. I literally lifted this to look for the thing. I was wondering what you were doing. It was like, where is?
Starting point is 00:42:01 Don't look under my table. Don't look under my table. You never know what you'll see under there. Such sights to show you under there. Damn. All right. This one is called listener tale. A kinky ghost choked me in a haunted castle.
Starting point is 00:42:27 Hot. Let's go. Nicholas is ready. Yeah, Nicholas. He's been ready. Dear Ash and Elena, please find attached my double space put a fo for your reading pleasure. My praise and adoration for you are at the beginning of the story. I have also attached some pictures of my gorgeous pup Derek.
Starting point is 00:42:43 Derek is an iconic name for a dog. That's a great dog name. I love it. Also attached to the picture of myself and younger sister, she's in the story. I really hope to hear this on the podcast one day and love you ladies. All the best, Chelsea. Here you are. On the pod.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Welcome. There you go, foolish Chelsea. Welcome, foolish Chelsea. There it is. Hi, a Chelsea. Hello, Ash and a. Elena, greetings from Scotland. Oh, oh! Bitch.
Starting point is 00:43:12 We want to go to there. My name is Chelsea. If I'm lucky enough to hear you read this on the podcast, I will ship myself and pass away. Don't do that. Don't wait. I'm looking into the future. You didn't. You come back to life.
Starting point is 00:43:22 There you go. You would also probably hear my name again, as there are some people I would seriously haunt. Please feel free to use my name and all the names within the story. Firstly, I want to shower you with praise and adoration. Oh, stop. You are absolute goddesses. what does this say?
Starting point is 00:43:38 Imaho de benevolent, amazing and beautiful souls. Thank you. I loved that. I recently moved to Scotland from the northeast of England and it had not been an easy adjustment. I have many lonely days. Who would have believed making new friends of 32 would be such a chore? Oh yeah. It's hard. However, your
Starting point is 00:43:54 podcast keeps me company when I walk my pug. His name is Derek and pictures are tag Derek the pug. It makes it even better that he's a pug. It does. I love a pug named Derek. Or commute to my job as a teacher. Hell yeah, teacher. It is lonely here. However, when I walk my many miles a day, I listen to you and feel like
Starting point is 00:44:10 I have two best friends keeping me company. You do. Here we are. You and your podcast really make an impact, so thank you from the bottom of my heart. Also, I always dreamed of writing a book. However, the confidence was never there. Listening to Elena has inspired me to start writing, so thank you. That's awesome. I love you more than life. Write
Starting point is 00:44:26 that book. You could do it. That's awesome. Let me know when you have a tiny URL like. Yes, it will scream it from the rooftops. I've rambled enough, so let's get into the story. I recently listened to your episode about Chillingham Castle. That's a fun one. As I mentioned, I'm from a small town in the northeast of England called Sunderland.
Starting point is 00:44:43 Sunderland is about an hour and 20 minutes away from Chillingham Castle. It is two councils north. Growing up in the councils. I know, I like that too. Growing up in the northeast England, we had a lot of access to castles and took this for granted when we were 13 lying to our parents about where we were. In reality, we were breaking into castles and mental health facilities exploring. The fact that you just got to break into castles. castles and old institutions in your youth.
Starting point is 00:45:11 I mean, you broke into institutions in your youth. I did do that. But castles? Castles goes crazy. Castles? Like, you're just like, oh, bye, mom. Just going to go ghost hunting a castle. Unfortunately, the institution that you used to break into burned down by the time I was cool
Starting point is 00:45:23 enough to break into it. It did. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. Yeah, I'm just super jealous. Side note, if you're interested, you can look into an asylum called Cherry Null. Ooh. I feel like that's familiar. This was exactly a stone throw away from my house.
Starting point is 00:45:36 and my friends and I spent many nights in that abandoned building. It was almost as if everyone just up and left one day. Medicine bottles, beds, etc., all left as they were. It has since been demolished, but the history is very fascinating. I digress, so back to the castle. Maybe we'll feature that on one of our new episodes. A few years ago, my two best friends and I did a legitimate historical tour of Chillingham Castle, trying to be all cultured and shit.
Starting point is 00:45:57 Rather, unlike the weirdo teens, sitting in an abandoned asylum, trying to contact the dead. The tour is very much sold as a history tour and not a ghost tour. tour, but we were hopeful some spooky shit would happen, and they did tell us that the castle was haunted, and ghost stories are part of the deal. It was in the middle of November, bollick freezing, and of rainy night. The tour started at 9 p.m., so it was pitch black, too. When we arrived, our tour guide was very quick to tell us that there would not be actors running around or jumping out at us during the tour. I assume people show up expecting some type of pantomime. We learned all about the history of the castle and the ghosts, which frequented
Starting point is 00:46:32 the different areas. Our guide was fantastic, and I can call it. confidently say absolutely nothing happened. No spooky sightings or feelings. We drove home with our brains full of historical facts, however slightly disappointed as we really went for a ghost hunting. Upon returning home, I told my ma'am all about the visit. She had no interest in history or ghosts, so I was surprised when she said she would like to visit the castle. She saw it as part of a local culture she wanted to experience. A few weeks later, my ma'am, my younger sister, who was 14 at the time, and I went for a night tour of the castle. What a cool family.
Starting point is 00:47:07 I know, that's so fun. This one got off to a more eventful start. On the drive up, I was telling my ma'am and my sister about some of the ghost stories, so the atmosphere was set. When we arrived, I parked the car. It would help to know the driveway which you park is only lit by lanterns and candlelight. That's gorgeous. I was getting ready to park the car when a lady knocked down the passenger side window.
Starting point is 00:47:29 She had platinum blonde hair, which somehow seemed to illuminate and glow in the pitch black. Because she was a ghost. She was. She was your ghost host. My ma'am, who was sitting in the passenger side seat, let out a scream and almost flew through the roof. The poor woman almost brought the castle down screaming back. The four of us ended up bent over a double laughing,
Starting point is 00:47:47 and my man profusely apologized, relived some of the ghost stories, and she said she was already spooked out. As we tried to calm down and regain our composure, ready for the tour, the whole atmosphere of the castle felt different. I put this down to the eventful start, which had not happened previously. The tour took the same route as previously, through the castle gardens, cemetery, basements, bedrooms, and finally the grand dining room.
Starting point is 00:48:10 We were taught of the brutal history of the castle jailer, John Sage, or as he was more commonly known, John Dragfoot Sage. This is important later. Sage was part of King Edward the First Army and despise the Scottish people. I remember covering this. Yeah, when I remember this guy. During a battle, his leg was injured and he became known as Dragfoot. He was no longer able to battle,
Starting point is 00:48:32 and so he became the head jailer and torturer. Sage was a seriously pissed off at the world, angry man, and has been quoted to be the most evil ghost in history. I believe it. We were all instructed to take a seat around the dining room table, exactly as last time. There were around 10 people in our tour and 15 seats around the grand table. Both my sister and ma'am were to my left of me, and there was no one sitting to the chair on my right.
Starting point is 00:48:55 The chair to my right was smack bang in the middle of the table, and I was the last in our group to sit down. Everyone else was to the left of me. The chairs were huge. I looked like I had been photoshopped sitting in them. Our guide told us all about sage and his treatment of the Scots and his desire to torture and kill as many people as possible. Our guide was full history teacher flow
Starting point is 00:49:15 when the gigantic chair to my right, which would have easily weighed 50 kilos, flew back around five feet. Damn. The legs made the most blood-curdling sounds as all four scraped along the wooden ancient floor, and it seemed to create a loud bang as it came to a stop, although it did not fall over.
Starting point is 00:49:32 I was frozen in absolute horror, but could not take my eyes off the chair. You could have heard a pin drop in that grand dining room. I was terrified. I questioned my sanity, and I truly believe my soul left my body for a moment. Trying to comprehend what I was seeing. I turned back to face the group. Everyone was clearly having the same internal crisis I was experiencing. Frozen faces full of horror, questioning eyes darting around the room,
Starting point is 00:49:58 and color drained from already pale British faces. Our guide eventually broke the silence after what seemed like an eternity. He stated the chair, which was smack bang in the middle of the grand table, was the preferred of Sage because he could see the kitchen. I kind of like Sage's style here. He asked us to take a seat on the grand dining chairs, but we all did as were instructed. Suddenly, I felt all oxygen leave my body as if someone had grabbed me by the throat. I'm sensing they did. The sound, which left my body, was the most inhumane thing I have ever heard.
Starting point is 00:50:31 Still to this day, in utter panic, I grabbed for ma'am's hand, and I am not ashamed. Strangely, my ma'am did not take my hand. My ma'am is the ultimate mama bear, protective and extremely loving, but it was clear that she could not fathom what was going on. As quickly as the oxygen left my body, it returned. At the same time, the chair swung backwards, replicating a rocking motion. However, it had four very stable legs. I could not stop rubbing my hands over my throat and wondering what the actual fuck had just happened. I soon heard the voice of our guide again, stating he had seen this type of incident before,
Starting point is 00:51:09 especially around the dining room and discussions around Dragfoot Sage. Turns out, Sage got his kicks from strangling people almost to death, and then finding alternative methods of torture. Have I really just been tortured by a 14th century ghost? Well shit, rings a whole new meaning of choke me. dazed, horrified, but also in a trauma response way, I was feeling special. Like, is it me? Is it me?
Starting point is 00:51:37 I stood up from the chair without taking my eyes off of what was apparently Sage's chair. It is said that Sage pulled his chair far out from the table to ensure his injured leg remained comfortable. Everyone makes their own mind up about that night. However, I truly feel that second experience at Chillingham Castle was dark, sinister, and Sage was hanging around. I find it strange irony, in fact, that I now reside in Scotland and have not had the best time. Was it some type of warning from Sage? No. Chelsea, stop it. Safe to say, I was silent for the rest of the tour, and the discussion on my way home was all about dissecting our experience.
Starting point is 00:52:13 And agreeing a third visit was not necessary. We will not be going back there. We got what we came for. I feel strongly you ladies would love to visit our small part of the world, haunted castles, fairy pools of sky. Oh, I want to go. And the thin areas of Northumberland and Scotland are the most magical but haunted places on earth. I want to go so bad. Thank you for reading my story and I would love to hear your opinions about my experience.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Thank you also for being my company and inspiring me to follow my passions. I wish you all love and happiness in the world. Wow. And then Nicholas just called us elderly. Wow, Nicholas. That's super rude. That was rude. Chelsea, that was a fucking terrifying but sick story. You were choked.
Starting point is 00:52:55 You were choked by Sage. And not in the hot way. Not in the hot way. I don't think Sage has that in him. No, he's not hot. I don't think that at all. And I do, that's horrifying. Imagine, just the fact that the first time you went to the castle, nothing happened.
Starting point is 00:53:09 Yeah, that's interesting. It was like he remembered you and he was like, well, he came back. Yeah, he's like, he came back for more. So here I am. Here it is. And that he pulled his chair, like, far away from the table to make sure his injured leg was comfortable. Yeah, that was crazy. That was fucking him.
Starting point is 00:53:22 I think so. You got choked by a 14th century torture. Sure. Nicholas says you shouldn't go back. Yeah, don't come back. He says leave. He said no, you shouldn't do that again. He might have told us to leave here, but he might have. I'm putting this below your table. Thank you. There you go. All right. This one is called That Awkward Moment when your friend gets possessed at Pennhurst. Oh, that's pretty awkward. So awkward. Ladies. Ladies. My name is Matt, and you can use my real name. Hi, Matt. Hi. This is the crazy story of when my skeptical friend who never believed in anything paranormal ended up getting possessed at a historically haunted location. Apologies, I know it's long, but I hope you like it.
Starting point is 00:53:58 Enjoy it already. It was the start of 2012. I was a junior in college and unhealthily obsessed with ghosts, aliens, and Bigfoot. Never unhealthy. That's not unhealthy at all. Let me just say that when I use the word possession, I'm not talking about somebody getting thrashed around on a bed and shoving crucifixes up there, you know. I guess spiritual attachment is a more accurate term to describe what happened to my friend Lawrence. Okay. A one skeptical man whose life was forever changed when he had I need me on one of the most haunted places in America. Pennhurst State School and Hospital. I want to go.
Starting point is 00:54:30 They're really bad. I think I covered that, didn't I? Yeah, I think you did. Yeah. But first, if you don't know Pennhurst, if you didn't listen to my fucking episode. Hopefully you did cover it. I feel like you did. Dangerous.
Starting point is 00:54:41 It is dangerous. Actually, no. I don't think I did cover this. No, I think we talked about covering it, so we'll cover it. Yeah. I shouldn't have yelled at you about Nathla listening to my episode because I didn't cover it. And Nicholas was like, that place is dangerous. It does sound dangerous.
Starting point is 00:54:53 So, but first, if you don't know Pennhurst, here's a recap. Its history is so disgusting. Yeah. This was a school and a hospital for quote-unquote sick children. But back then, what did sick mean? Anything. If you thought maybe your kid had Down syndrome, you sent them to Pennhurst. If you thought they had OCD, you sent them to Pennhurst.
Starting point is 00:55:11 Your kid was in a wheelchair, you sent them to Pennhurst. There were too many patients and hardly enough staff. Rooms that could fit only 10 or 20 people would be filled with like 100 or more patients, tied to their beds for days on end, going to the bathroom on their own sheets without medical care, and if you got in trouble, punishment was tooth removal. We have not covered that. No. Wow.
Starting point is 00:55:36 No, we have not. That's horrible. My life was changed forever when my friend John, who used to work at Westchester University Radio, and happened to know the night watchman of the school, called me one afternoon and said he was able to arrange a private ghost hunt for us and our friends. Okay, that's sick. It was the happiest news of my life. Yeah, honestly, I get it. Mark had also previously gone to Pennhurst on his own ghost hunt where endless creepy stuff happened. Oh, I'm sure. The scariest story he told me was when the watchman was locking up a door on one of the catwalks. He heard a noise, turned around, and saw someone in a hospital gown marching toward him.
Starting point is 00:56:12 Oh! And then they jumped off the catwalk. Oh, my catwalk. I had to. When the watchmen ran over to look over the bridge, there was no one there. They were too sexy. They were too sexy for this hospital. So Mark picked me up with a couple other friends. And we amassed at his house. The plan was that after the ghost hunt, people would sleep over at my house if they were too afraid to go home. That's so hostly of you.
Starting point is 00:56:42 That is very hostly of you. Oh, ghost host. We arrived at Penners just after dark, and holy shit, it was huge. Otherworldly, innocent yet sinister. The quiet was what unsettled me the most when we pulled up. I couldn't even hear animals or cars, and it was as if the wind had stopped the instant we got there. Before the possession, a lot of weird, unexplainable things happened throughout the night
Starting point is 00:57:05 that made my skeptic friends almost crap themselves. Here's a list. In the hospital, I heard a man groan behind me as we were walking down a hallway. Don't groan behind me. Don't do that. Don't do that. Under one of the tunnels, the K-2 meter went berserk, and it started giving us intelligent responses.
Starting point is 00:57:22 In addition, we asked the spirits to light up the meter, and we would instantly hear loud bangs just a few yards from us. We went into one room where all the women, just the women, started feeling severe pain just above their pubic regions. Oh, my God. One of the women, my friend Katie, suddenly groaned and grabbed above that region, and at the exact moment she did,
Starting point is 00:57:43 one of our walkie-talkies started going crazy and gave off static. Holy shit. That's so fucked up. The fuck. I would leave at that moment. Yeah. The night took a huge turn. However, when we entered Quaker Hall,
Starting point is 00:57:56 a claustrophobic room famous for exhibiting the most violent paranormal activity. We were warned to never make provocations out loud. This part of the location had the most abysmal history. It is said that many patients were trigger warning, sexually assaulted and punished most severely in Quaker Hall. We entered the room and stood around in a semicircle. I started asking questions to the spirit, and it had been just a minute when suddenly, we need to leave, said Lawrence out of nowhere. What? I asked. We have to go. We have to go now. His face was paler than Edward Cullen.
Starting point is 00:58:37 When I skipped this, I saw Edward Cullen and I said we will be doing that, so everybody get your voices ready. We harmonize. Back to the story. Good job, everybody. Buddy, what is it? Serious. Good job, everybody. All right, back to the story. Buddy, what is it? asked my other friend, Nick. Something's grabbing my heart and I'm having trouble breathing. Oh, shit. Lawrence, it's okay. I think you're just freaked out. No, I'm not. He interrupted me and started walking to the exit.
Starting point is 00:59:02 I can hear something in my head. Someone's talking in my head. Please, let's go. Oh, my God. I would shit my pants. Hearing something's, I'm hearing something in my head, something's talking in my head. Oh, God. I would cry. I would fuck me up. And cry and cry and cry. You would dry heap. Oh, dry heap. No, I would be doing a lot more than dry heaving. I would what, heave. That's the new term for throwing up.
Starting point is 00:59:24 All the kids would say in it. So what the hell was going on? Something was grabbing at his heart. Something was in his head. I stared at Lawrence and his head was beginning to rock back and forth. His hands were out of his pockets and his eyes were glued to the floor. Something wasn't right and for his safety alone, we needed to leave. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:43 The night went on and Lawrence wasn't getting better. We left Quaker Hall the worst of the worst. Why was Lawrence still behaving like this? The night was coming to a very strong. strange clothes and soon we arrived back at our cars. We thanked the watchman a hundred times for allowing us to investigate for free. It was midnight or so, and as we were talking to him, I noticed Lawrence wasn't with us. I turned around and there he was in the backseat of my friend Chase's car, hood up and just staring blankly at the ground. His body was there, but his mind was someplace else.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Dude, I nudged Nick and pointed out the car. I don't know what to do, he said, and chort it a little, trying to break the worry on our faces. Okay, let's just get out of here. let's go home, I said. A group of us, including Lawrence, drove back to my house to sleep. We got to the living room and started setting up our sleeping bags. Lawrence still looked so uncomfortable. After rolling out his sleeping bag, he sat right on my couch and just continued to stare straight forward, mouth agape, eyes wide, not saying a word, completely lost and scared looking. So, I stammered trying to break the ice. What the fuck do I do? What a night, am I right? How do I wake up Lauren? Should I slap?
Starting point is 01:00:51 him? Should I put a funny YouTube video on that I know he'll laugh at? Valid. No one answered. We just stared at our friend. I went upstairs to get more pillows and I made Nick come with me. We got to my room. Nick, I whispered because my parents were asleep in the next room. I'm actually freaking the fuck out. I don't know what to do. And if he brings any ghosts into my house, so help me God. Bang! Ooh! The back door of my house slammed shut. Oh, fuck that. Nick and I sprinted down the stairs. Chase was standing just outside the door. What the hell happened? I asked him. Matt, he just stood up and yelled, I need to get out, and then slammed the door. My heart was palpitating.
Starting point is 01:01:26 The three of us walked outside. Lawrence was walking around in circles in front of my shed. His right hand raised silently over his head. Oh. His finger was bent but pointing. What the hell was he doing? Lawrence, I asked suspiciously. Hey, what are you doing?
Starting point is 01:01:45 Come on. You got to talk to us. Hey, buddy. Hey. What's going on? There's a voice in my head. I can't get this voice out of my head and I'm freaking out. God!
Starting point is 01:01:54 He screamed and walked back to the steps. Oh, I'm so stressed out for him. I'm so stressed for him. This poor kid. This reminds me of talk to me. Yeah, like, I'm like, stop. Nick Chase and I backed up, fearful that Lawrence was going to clock us or something. He put his arm on the tip of the railing and collapsed his head on top.
Starting point is 01:02:10 Something had followed Lawrence from Quaker Hill. That much was clear. I can't make the voice stop. I can't make the voice stop. Oh, that starts to me out. moaning in frustration. I needed to do something. Lawrence, do you want me to speak to the voice? Pause. That's a good friend. I know. You're the best friend ever. You're very good friend. Lawrence, let me talk to the voice. No, he interjected. No, that won't. He kept stammering. Let me just go in.
Starting point is 01:02:35 He hopped up the steps and went back into the house. Holy shit. Nick Chase and I stared at one another in more than disbelief. I was willing to drop Lawrence off at a holiday in and look for an exercise in the yellow pages. There was a historic Presbyterian church near my house. Did they have any exorcist? I mean, these are all very real questions. You know, desperate times call for desperate measures. Does every church have exorcist? What do I do? Great question. My parents were also upstairs. Could the spirit leave Lawrence and possess one of them? Oh no. My hand shaking. I think he just needs to sleep. Let's just let him sleep. He'll be fine tomorrow. Honestly, I'd probably do this. I'm like, I don't know, sleep it off. It's like being drunk. Go to bed. We walked back to the living room. Right there, sitting up in his sleeping bag was Lawrence, hood down,
Starting point is 01:03:18 texting on his phone. Hey guys, he said, totally normally. Lawrence said cheese. Are you okay? Are you good, bro? Yeah, I'm fine. Are you sure? Oh yeah, he said still texting on his phone.
Starting point is 01:03:32 Matt, there was something bad in your shed, so I came back in. I'm sorry, what? I asked, taken aback. Yeah, there was something bad in your shed. Good night. He said, put his phone down and got under his sleeping bag. Lawrence confessed to us later that when he was in my living room, he was texting himself what the voice was telling him in his head.
Starting point is 01:03:51 He then immediately deleted it because he wanted to study abroad in Florence and wanted to forget about this incident. I'm sorry. What? He's like, sorry, I can't bring this to Florence. Florence will not allow this kind of thing. Florence will say, get the fuck out of here if I, you know, remember this experience. He was fearful that the spirits would follow him internationally. Wow.
Starting point is 01:04:13 Whatever happened to him was very real and very scarring. I want to know what was in the shed. Yeah, I'm like, what? Did he put the thing in the shed? Yeah, did he just put it in the shed and be like, cool, it's gone, baby. To this day, if I bring up Penhurst to Lawrence, he won't say anything. He doesn't crack a joke. Sometimes he just leaves the room or politely asks us to change the subject. I have not been back to Penhurst since, and I doubt any of my friends want to return either.
Starting point is 01:04:36 It's not your typical answer when somebody asks you what happened in college and you say, oh yeah, my friend just got possessed. Damn, Matt. Matt, that was crazy. That's a scary one. You should never go in your shed again, I feel. I don't think you should light that shed on fire. Yeah, light it a blaze.
Starting point is 01:04:53 Do it. Commit arson. It's fine. Why not? What's her face got away with it? Pennhurst is terrifying. Yeah, I don't want to go to there. The energy there must be wild. I do want to go to there, but I would be scared to.
Starting point is 01:05:04 This bitch really just said, I do want to go there. I do want to go there. I want to, like, do a ghost on there. I don't know if I want to get something in my head. Yeah, I don't want that either. There's already a lot going on. up there. So maybe there's no room. And right now I'm just ahead. That's all you got. I'm just ahead. Wow, what a way to end that with Nicholas saying, he is touching you. Damn, Nicholas. Don't touch me.
Starting point is 01:05:29 I'm under a people anyway. Nicholas is always just lawless. He's just the most reckless motherfucker lately. He is. What are you doing that? Nicholas, what's going on? I didn't know we were taking our relationship to this level. I'm going to tell John. I'm telling John on you. I'm telling gone on you, Nicholas. Guys, those were great tales. They were so scary. I'm freaked out right now. They're genuinely scary. Guys, I hope you guys have the best Halloween. Be safe. Salin ever. Be safe. Don't talk to strangers. Check your kids candy. And dress up as whatever you want. Yeah, dress up as a fucking table. Do it. Live your life. We almost forgot to mention we're going to have our very own morbid tarot cards that you guys can order.
Starting point is 01:06:12 So exciting. I'm so fucking excited. We partnered. with this sick-ass artist. She's so talented. Marissa Aragon Ware. She's so cool. They're like made-to-order cards. There's only a limited amount of them. They're going to be available for a limited time.
Starting point is 01:06:27 I think they're going to go live at midnight on Halloween. And you can buy them up until December 21st. Again, they're a limited run. When they're done, they're done. Super excited because it ends on the winter solstice, which is like witchy. From Halloween to the winter solstice. I love that. Yeah. And they're only available at.
Starting point is 01:06:45 at morbid tarot.com. Yes, and they're going to have like little Easter eggs, like fun little morbid Easter eggs in them. Little quotes maybe. Gold and silver foil accents. They're like beautiful. So yes, go to morbid tarot.com on midnight, on Halloween. And again, these are made to order. And we're actually going to reveal the first five major archa cards at launch. So keep your eyes peeled. And then we'll gradually reveal the rest of the deck like, you know, throughout the order window. Yeah, exactly. So keep checking in because more will be let out. But we're very excited about this. It's going to be really fun. Yeah, we've been having such a blast working with Relatable on this. They're amazing.
Starting point is 01:07:24 Maybe there will be more cool things in the future. Maybe there will because we love them. So. Nicholas is mad about it, but. Nicholas said it's mad sick. Mad, cool. Yeah. So guys, go order those. Do it. Keep listening to the pods and have a happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you. Keep it. Weird!
Starting point is 01:07:45 But not so weird that you don't order our fucking tarot deck! Do it. Love you.

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