Morbid - Listener Tales 63

Episode Date: January 6, 2023

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Hey weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a little tiny, mini morbid. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, morbid. Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. A little tiny small. So tiny small. Did I just break your glass windshield? No, you didn't. Well, you're not in the car. So you didn't. I was telling the truth. You're not a lie. I'm not a liar. I'm not in a a windshield right now. You're not in a windshield? I am not. I'm telling the truth again, no matter how silly that sounded. Are we okay today? We're not. It's the holiday season, everybody. It's the holiday season. People already shut this off. 100%. They're like, hey guys, sorry that you're highest fuck this episode. Sorry that you're, sorry that you're canceled. But sorry about it. So yeah, it's the

holiday season and we have another holiday fucked up episode. episode for you guys. Speaking of the holidays. Speaking of the holidays. Should I talk about murder apparel really fast because they have holiday themed smart charts for us? I think you should because I feel like it's apropos. Okay guys. So we're um we have like a little like thing with this like company called like murder apparel. We have a thing going. We've got a thing. It's getting pretty official. It's pretty serious. We're pretty, uh, into it. Anyways, I'm gonna, I'm okay. So if you go to murder apparel on Instagram and you click the link in their bio it will bring you to their website where they have a bunch of cool ass shirts including they have a Christmas shirt a Christmas sweater um maybe a

Christmas hoodie I don't really know if it's on the hoodie persuasion either way this Christmas over there's Christmas there's morbid Christmas there's everything and if you use code morbid at checkout after you buy something on the murder apparel website you will get 20% off of your order. Do it because they are rad as fuck. I love them. We love murder apparel. And we are actually going to be wearing our morbid Christmas sweatshirts to our family Christmas Eve and Christmas because we are those people. I'm like, is it pertinent? I wear a murder. I wear a murder shirt every day. I wear murder all the time. I wear a morbid shirt like all the time. I do too. I love wearing my morbid shirts. I I don't care how pretentious it is. I know that. I'm like, is that pretentious?

Probably. But you know what it is? Murder apparel does such a good job of designing amazing shirts for Morbid that I want to wear them. And we have merch too. I forgot that. Well, I'll update that in the show note. Like I write the show notes. And if anybody has placed an order already, they are on their way to you. John has been working around the clock to get those out. And hopefully soon we won't have to like do all this from my living room. So, you know, maybe this will get more stream. blind soon so stay tuned for that stream blind stream blind you know i thought for you just let that go i knew you were going to hope that but guess what here i am calling you out whoa i'm so hype you are um well what else is hype i was just going to say i'm so hype to tell you about our shows i was like what do you like to tell me about i'm so i'm so i've to tell you guys we have shows we have one show in new york

at the Grammarcy Theater that's fucking sold the fuck out. So see all of you beautiful weirdos there. Yeah, yeah. We have, I'm going to try to do them in chronological order. No, I'm not. Then we have another show in, oh, D.C. and Philly are next. So we have one show in Washington, D.C., one show in Philly. Those are in April.

Those are in April. Then in May, we have two shows in one night. Yeah, we do. In Nashville. Yeah, yeah. And then we're going to be at CrimeCon before Nashville. Guys, I'm so excited about CrimeCon. I want you all to be there. It's in Orlando. And we're going to be on podcast row, guys. Podcast Row. I can't believe I'm saying that out loud. I hope one of those days, like when we're not on podcast row, like, if we're just there an extra day, we get to go to Harry Potter World. Yeah. Anyways. I'm really excited. I'm more excited for podcast row. Yeah, me too. But I would complete the whole trip if I got to have some butto be. Oh, hell yeah. And like go to Hagrid's house. Hell yeah. I want to go, um, To, um, Hogwarts.

What are I broken? All the main fucking thing. You are truly broken. Main fucking thing in Harry Potter. I'm like, what's that place called? You know what I want to do? Uh, Hogwarts. That's going to be really cool.

I can't wait to do that. Oh, shit. All right, guys, I think it's time to dive into these cases. Oh, yeah. I said cases. Oh, yeah. forgot that you were doing. That's right. How many? I'm doing two. Whoa. That's right. Um, I picked, I couldn't decide between a couple of cases and they were smaller cases. So I was like,

you know what? Let's give them two. It's the holiday season. Happy holidays. So boopadoo. Happy holidays, let me tell you about murder. Let me tell you about murder. So the first one I'm going to do, these are pretty rough too. So just, I feel like someone in an iTunes review is going to be like they celebrated the holiday season by talking about murder. And I'll be like, yes, I did. You'll be like, you're in the wrong section. Guilty. Guilty.

Guilty. So, yeah, these are terrible. We're not celebrating it, just putting it out there. The first one is the murder of Silvestri Diaz Hernandez. Sylvester? Sylvester. That's a cool name. I know.

And he seems like a cool guy. It sounds like Sylvester. It does, but it's not. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So this happened in Chicago on December 24, 2013. Alexis Valdez was 18 years old. He had moved in six months prior to this incident with his aunt, who is not named anywhere.

I could not find her name. I don't know if she doesn't. She's on the witness protection. Yeah, I don't know if she just doesn't want to be named, but didn't find her name, and that's fine. So he moved in with her and her boyfriend, 41-year-old Sylvesteri Diaz Hernandez. Okay, I see the connection. There it is. They all shared an apartment together and Alexis was allowed to live with them as long as he went to school.

He worked and he maintained a job to, you know, help contribute to everything needed to run a household. He was living there for free as an 18-year-old adult. Right. You know, like rent and food and such. It's standard. Apparently, he just stopped working and just expected to have like a free ride. So his aunt and her boyfriend told him, you got to find another place to live. Yeah, you're not contributing to the house.

sold by. We asked one thing of you and it wasn't, you know, we're not even like really charging you rent. We're just asking that you contribute. That's all. And you're not even doing that. Well, he was pissed because he's a little shit who felt entitled to live off of other people's harder and lives, obviously.

Oh, good. Perfect. Um, so on Christmas Eve 2013, he reached a boiling point with his rage at having to be an adult and take responsibility for his own life. It does suck. Yeah, totally. Um, his aunt was out at a holiday party and he started drinking heavily.

Oh. As one does when 18 and facing eviction because of becoming unemployed, right? I don't recall that time. So now Diaz, Diaz Hernandez, the boyfriend, comes home after hanging out with his family. He sees that Alexis has drank all the beer in the house. He sees that Alexis is shit-faced. Literally. And he's like, dude, seriously.

So he takes him and Alexis go out to the store and get more beer because he's like, you just drank all my beer. I'm going to go get more. Alexis is like, I'll go with you. Now, before they left for this excursion, Alexis hid a hammer next to the door. The door of the house? Yes.

Okay. Now, why did you do that? To kill the guy with. When the pair returned back to the apartment, Alexis suddenly grabbed the hammer and violently smashed Silvestri's head in several times with it. Oh, my Lord. He bludgeoned him until he was dead. and after making sure he had beat him to death with the hammer, he started dismembering his body.

Jesus Christ. Now, it escalated so quickly. Oh, it escalates real quickly. This gets worse. I don't know how, but it does. Now, he did what I always hate hearing in these cases. It has to do with teeth. No, no, no.

But I've mentioned this before. He plays really loud music to conceal the noise of all of this. And I, like, I hate that. I don't like it at all. Like, the chaos factor of that stresses me out so much. I hear about, because a lot of these, like, asshole serial killers and murderers do that. Like, they'll, except they usually do it when the person's alive and they're just like, it's like a torture thing.

Yeah, it's just more like psychological, like, fucking with somebody and I hate it. That always stresses me out in a case. Me too. Sylvesteri, unfortunately, was already dead when this happened. But so Alexis did play loud music to conceal all the noises. And he covered all the windows up so that he could work slowly and method. Ew. He used a butcher knife and a saw to remove Diaz Hernandez's ear, nose, and his lips. Ugh. His lips? Yep. I know I'm upset about everything, but I don't know that really upset. Yeah, it's just weird. It's a weird move. I want chapstick now.

He then used his bare hands to pluck both of his eyes out, before cutting off his head, removing his arms, and gutting him from groin to sternum. That made my eyeballs hurt. Yep. I'm closing my eyes right now. Oh, it gets worse. How? He then placed Sylvesterie's head, ears, and nose on his aunt's bed because as he said, he wanted to leave her a Christmas present.

I saw that when I was taking the papers out of the printer. And that's the only part that I saw. And I was like, oh, fuck, I can't read anymore because I just spoiler alerted myself. I just spoiler alerted myself. Yep. He left his head in several other body parts. on his girlfriend, his aunt's bed as a present. Oh.

Yep. So once he became tired, because that's exhausting. Yeah. In his own words, he decided to call 911 at this point, and now it was Christmas day at around 205 a.m. at this point. That's really sad. So he called 911 and said he wanted to report a dead body. The dispatchers asked if he attempted or was willing to attempt CPR on the person, and he

said, oh no, and literally laughed out loud. The dispatcher literally said he laughed out loud and said, no, the person doesn't have a head anymore. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Could you imagine being, I don't know how 911 dispatchers do what they do? Like, what do you say to that? You're like, oh, I, okay. I hang up. Thanks for the information. So the police show up and Alexis is outside on the porch holding an iPad and he's covered in blood and he's just like, hey, bros, like, wicked, nonchalant and casual. They immediately ask him what's going on and if he's the one who called 911. Yeah.

And according to the report, he said, quote, shouldn't you arrest me before you ask me questions? Because I just killed a man and he's in the basement. Oh. He then threw the iPad onto the ground as hard as he could so it shattered into pieces. I'd be like, why are you so extra? Like, see, at first I'd be like, okay, we're going to discuss this whole, like, you murdered a man. But first. Why did you just throw that iPad, sir?

Right. Like, what was the meaning of that? I need to know what the meaning of that was. I feel like I'm not shitting on guyliner, but I feel like he was also wearing guyliner. I don't know why. Like, I feel like he was just, like, really intense. And I picture him with guyliner. He didn't have guyliner, I can tell you.

He looks like a little weasel. But, you know, I'm going to Google a photo. Now, he, Alexis also said that he was waiting for his aunt to show up at home so he could do the same thing to her, but he got tired of waiting. Oh. And it's like, holy shit, thank goodness. I mean, this is tragic and I hate that this happened to Sylvester. Right. But thank goodness it wasn't two people.

You know what I mean? Like you got to think of some kind of silver lining here. Right. So police did find Sylvester's torso in the basement. Oh. In 2014, Alexis pled not guilty to first-degree murder. How? Well, and then in 2017, at 21 years old, he pled guilty to first-degree murder.

Okay. He was sentenced to 33 years in prison. That's it? Yeah. I know. I always am so confused about sentencing. I know. There's always, like, seemingly like a method or strategy to the madness, like this plea deals and all that that get wrapped in here.

Like all the, it's different all the time. I know. You can never predict what it's actually going to be for any given crime, really. Sylvesterie's brother did set up a go fund me at the time to pay for his funeral because he had no life insurance. Oh, my God. Well, of course not. He was young.

I know. It was really sad. And Sylvesterie had lost the mother of his children and was working to provide for them at the time. Yeah. So they didn't have parents after that. Yeah. So he literally, yeah, so literally both their parents were taken. Oh, my God.

And his daughter, Selena Diaz, told the son times, quote, my father was a good person. He never did anything to anyone. She was 17 at the time. And then she said, he was a good father. He did what he could for me and my brother. He did the best to provide for us after me and my brother lost our mother. Jesus. Yeah.

So this fucker is spending 33 years in jail. That is not enough time. No, it's really not. Especially, don't you typically get more time for mutilating a body? Yeah, I would think that would be like an extra charge, but it's really, I was looking at like for more and more articles about this, but there's just not a lot of details of it, which is crazy. But, but yeah, so that is that Christmas Eve murder. That's a horrible one. Pretty terrible.

And now we are going to talk about the murder of Michelle O'Dow. Okay. This was on Friday, December 2nd, 2011. Philip Axe showed up at his twin sister's home in Jacksonville, Florida. His twin sister was Michelle O'Dowd. Okay. At around 9.10 a.m. to check on her because she had not been able to be contacted and had also failed to show up for work.

What he found was his twin sister murdered in an absolutely horrific way. That's awful. Now, Michelle was also known as Mickey O'Dowd. Oh, that's so cute. A lot of her, she had a ton of nieces and nephews and they called her Auntie Mickey. Stop it. Yeah. She was born February 20th, 1944 in Glenridge, New Jersey.

Her parents were Philip and Margaret axed. I found a lot of this information in her obituary, actually. She was a fraternal twin and had technically, she was technically younger than her brother, Philip, Jr. She was intelligent, kind, loving. I mean, people did not have enough good things to say about this woman. Howdy Mickey? I know. And she earned a degree from Virginia interment college and spent over 30 years as a lab technician.

Wow. Bad bitch. Yes, STEM. Girl. And eventually she became a lab supervisor at Good Samaritan Hospital in Suffer in New York. Wow. Yeah, so she's like a bad bitch. Mickey was killing the game.

Mickey was killing the game. And not only that, she was like just this generous, amazing person. So she was literally killing it in every aspect. Well-rounded mix. She had one child, a son named Philip, who passed away suddenly in 2003 at only 29 years old. Oh, Jesus. Yeah. And when he passed away, this is when she moved to Florida to be closer to her family because her twin brother, Philip, was there.

When she moved, she decided to go back to work because she had retired. And she was like, you know what? Okay, I'm going to go back to work. So she went back to work for her twin brother, Phil. She became the head of accounts receivable in collections department at Audio Images International Inc. which is where her brother, he partially owned it. Okay. She had a dog named Max, who she adored, and she loved animals.

Huge animal lover. When her twin brother Philip showed up on December 2nd, 2011, he saw the front door of the home was wide open, which immediately was not just he had a bad feeling. Not normal. And the inside of the home had been ransacked. Oh, no. So he's already, he walks in here and he's like, shit. is bad right now.

That must be like the worst fucking feeling. Can you imagine? Your stomach must just fucking drop to your feet. And how scared he must have been walking into this place. Yeah, because you don't know what you're walking into. Yeah, you don't know. The door is wide open. And I mean, like all her things, the furniture were strewn everywhere.

I mean, it looked like somebody had actually ransacked the place. Her car and her dog Max were untouched. Okay. Which I was happy to hear. Happy about the dog. You know. He passed through the house about three times. before finally spotting his sister.

Where was she? It was then that he saw a foot sticking out from beneath a massive pile of Christmas gifts. Oh my God. These Christmas gifts were wrapped and intended for her niece's nephews and grandchildren. Oh my God. He grabbed her ankle and he said it was ice cold. And he said, I just knew. She was found under a pile of Christmas gifts.

Of wrapped Christmas gifts intended for all the kids in her life. And it was December 2nd. She was already like killing the Christmas too. Like it is killing the Christmas game. It is December 22nd. And I still don't have my shit together. I still have to finish my Christmas shopping. So like fucking Mickey, man.

She was on her shit. Oh my gosh. I know. Now when he moved to the gifts, he found the battered body of his 67 year old twin sister. Her face was covered with blood and had been covered up by a towel. So somebody knew her. Yep. And there was an empty bottle of vodka nearby, which he was like, yeah, this wasn't hers. Like, she did not drink a whole bottle. So he thinks this was whoever did this attempt to like make it seem weird, like just throw people off, I think.

So it was later determined that she had been beaten and strangled either late December 1st or early December 2nd. Oh. So who did this? I don't know. Who the fuck did this? A 67-year-old woman. Somebody that knew her. You betcha.

I've learned a few things. You have. You have. Well, Michelle typically lived alone, but with her dog. But she had been allowing a family friend to stay with her recently. Oh. This family friend was Patty Michelle White. Don't help people.

She was about 40 years old and from South Carolina. She had been the ex-girlfriend of Michelle's nephew, so they knew each other. Okay. And she had just, you know, broken things off with Michelle's nephew recently. So they knew each other for years. Patty had moved to Orlando from South Carolina, and Michelle allowed her to stay with her for a month or so for free. To get on her feet. Yeah.

That's really nice. Patty was a fucking bum. So Michelle would, you know, she would do things to try to help her get back on her feet. Like she would pay her to clean houses. She would pay her to babysit, do other odd jobs here and there. Just trying to help her out. Yeah, just trying to give her like a leg up here or there. And just trying to give her some cash.

So she was trying to help her get her life together. But Phil, her twin brother, told CBS News, quote, She just couldn't keep a job. She just couldn't get her life together. Phil even had her babysit his grandchildren sometimes because he said she was a family friend. They trusted her. Like, there was no reason not to trust her.

And they're just, this family's trying to help this woman. Yeah, they're like, she's flaky and she's not getting her shit together, but she's not a bad. They didn't think she was a bad person. Now, they trusted her so well that Michelle even gave Patty her debit card and PIN to run to the store and get groceries for the house. So she would be like, you know, you're going to live her for free and go do the errands for the house. Right. Here's my debit card.

I'm going to fucking pay for it. Exactly. So that's how much she trusted her. She gave her her pin in her debit card. She was in and out of Michelle's home here and there, basically falling back on living with her for free when she fell on bad times. And Michelle would take her in. No questions asked. Michelle was just a sweet, generous person.

Like, she just wanted to help her. Yeah. So when this happened, Patty had moved back to South Carolina at this time. She was not living with Michelle at this time. Okay. That this happened. Those debit cards that Michelle allowed Patty to use when she lived with her were the only thing missing from the home when investigators searched. Okay.

Remember, Patty knows those debit cards, pins. Only thing missing. Her brother Phil told WTEV News, quote, There is nothing worse than when you walk inside and find your own sister brutally murdered over a stupid debit card. Right. So shortly after her death, those cards were used at two different ATMs in Florida. Each used to withdraw $500 from each ATM, so $1,000 total. Okay.

They pulled the video from the ATMs, and although Patty wore a hat and tried to cover herself up... It was Patty. She was able to be identical. by family members that it was fucking Patty, using those debit cards that were stolen from Michelle O'Dowd. And you know what the thing is, too? She probably could have just asked Michelle for the money. Oh, 100%. In fact, Michelle's niece, Donna Reed said, quote, it's just so surreal, my aunt would have given her the money. Yeah, I was going to, you can just tell based on the whole story that she could have been like, I'm having a struggle, it's Christmas, can I borrow some money? And it sounds like

Mickey would have been like, you know what? Totally. Here you go. Exactly. And that's what's so awful about this. This woman gave you a roof over your head. She gave you food. She gave you a chance. Multiple chances, it sounds like. She was, she believed that you could get better. And this is how you come back at her. It's like, what the fuck. So Patty was on the way to York, South Carolina, where her parents lived. And she was pulled over at around 3.30 p.m. on December 2nd. Because once they saw her at the same day. Yeah. Oh, wow. Because once they saw her on those ATM things, they were like, boom, got her. And then they just knew where she was.

Damn, that was easy. And when cops pulled her over, she was with her mother in the car. She was brought back to the police station in York to be interviewed. And during this interrogation, she confessed to the murder of Michelle O'Dowd. Wow. Yeah. I believe it was Jacksonville police or detectives that got her to confess to it. She was held at the York County Detention Center and later extradited back to Florida.

Now, the story went that she literally was living in South Carolina. She came back to Florida specifically to rob Michelle. After everything this woman did for her. Everything this woman did to her, this bitch came back just to rob this 67-year-old woman who lived alone with her dog, who took her fucking in when she needed it most. Multiple times. She took her in, you said, right? Yeah, multiple times whenever she needed it. Yeah.

So you, like, that's just like biting the hand that feeds you. That's the definition. The definition of biting the hand that feed you. And all the detectives and investigators were like, we don't know exactly. This is the most senseless crime of ever. Both of these crimes, that's exactly how I was thinking. Really senseless. I was like, these are the most senseless crimes.

They're both just entitled fucks. Like, all of these stories make me really pissed off, but especially ones like this. I'm like, you could have just asked her for the money. And that would have been shitty in and of itself because you're 40 fucking years old. Exactly. Get a job. Get your shit together. Right.

Like, you know what, Michelle had, she worked her ass off her whole life. She was a lab technician and then a lab supervisor. And now she's working in like accounts payable as like a lead there. She's working her ass off. She earned that money. Both of these stories are like freeloaders. I fucking hate free loaders. They're entitled to people that think that they should just be able to do nothing but get the reap the benefits.

And it's like, fuck you, man. You got to work. You better work, bitch. You want to work, bitch. Britney Spears said. Yeah. And I think Rupal said it too. He definitely said so.

Rue deaf said so. For sure. Now, in October 2013, Patty pled guilty to second degree murder and was sentenced to 45 years in prison. That's still not enough either. I know, but then I'm looking at it. I'm like, yeah, she'll die before then. Maybe not.

I feel like that. What was she? Because she's going in at like over 40. So if she stays in there for 45 years, she's either coming out decrepit or she, because it's not. Like you're going to come out of there, like, you know. Vibrant. Yeah, exactly.

But I'm hoping that she'll just kick it in prison. Croke. Croke, bitch. You better croak, bitch. Honestly, Patty. Now, she avoided getting a life sentence by doing a plea deal for the second-degree murder charge. See, there's that, like, crazy.

Like, you never know what's going on there. Loved ones were asked to donate to the Jacksonville Humane Society in Michelle's name because it was an organization that was close to her big. giant beautiful heart. I wonder where Max went to live. I know. I think with Phil. I bet he went to live with Phil. I bet Phil was good to Max. I can't. And that's the other thing. It's like, Phil was her twin brother. Yeah, that's like a bond that you don't even get. And it's like he had to walk in there. And not only were they twins and close, they worked together. Yeah, that's your bro. And he had literally. Literally. And find her. I can't imagine. Covered in the Christmas presents that she bought for

his grandchildren who she like considered her own. Oh, no, what a fucking horrific touch? That's, That's what kills me. That's some deep rooted, maniacal shit. Yeah. You're a bad person. And it's like, as you're putting these presents on top of this dead, older woman. Battered 67-year-old woman who has helped you her your whole life. Yeah.

As you're putting these presents on top of her battered bleeding face, you're sitting there being like, you have to know, these are for people who love her. Yeah. And you're burying her. It's just, it's a huge fuck you to everyone. It's so dark. Yeah. Like that's so dark. And it's like, you must know those just for like children that love her and like that she loves.

And it's just fucking Christmas, dude. Oh, it just like that part made me like, man, you have to have no soul. It's dark. Like you have to have zero soul to do that shit. I don't like her Patty at all. And I'm going to, I do not like Patty at all. 10 out of 10 do not recommend Patty as a friend. 10 out of 10 recommend Patty.

Get shanked in prison. That's what I recommend. I recommend that you shake her. Shake that woman. You shake that woman. So the other thing, I'll post photos, obviously, like I always do, on the Instagram of the victims in these cases. Was Mickey adorable? Mickey's fucking adorable.

I bet. She's just that woman that you'd look at and be like, I bet you're awesome. And was Sylvester a cutie? And he was adorable. And it's just like, man, man sucks. It's not in the holiday spirit. I'm really hoping that everybody has a great holiday. Whatever you celebrate, be it Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanza, Duwali.

Maybe you don't celebrate holidays. I hope you have a great day. Maybe you're just, maybe, you know what? And if you don't celebrate any of the holidays, just celebrate life. Yeah, it's awesome. It's great. Yeah. And you know what?

Yeah. And you can make it great. We can always make it great. Our high school principal always used to say, make it a great day or not. The choice is yours. But yeah, so I hope that you guys have a great holiday and whether you celebrate it or not just, you know, don't murder each other. Be nice, be kind.

At Ellen DeGeneres. Be nice to each other. At Ellen DeGener. You know what? I'm going to tag Ellen in this. Do it. I'll do it. Oh my God.

What if we got to go on the motherfucking Ellen show? I would shit my pants. I mean, she wouldn't let us. She wouldn't, no. She wouldn't. Right. We're both looking at each other. Like, if she wanted.

Did she let us? We're, like, trying to convince each other. Like, no. Ellen, if you're listening, I fucking love your show. Yo, Ellen. I love your giveaways. What up. I just want to high five you.

I just want to dance with you, Ellen. Yeah. I do. I want to do the red button game with Ellen. Oh, yeah. Oh, all right. So everybody, that's the new task. Let's get on the Ellen show.

Let's tweet it, Ellen. If they can't, with the white vans got to go on Ellen. I'm saying. I'm saying. All he did was. say, back on it again with the white fans. Exactly. So I think we can do it. You're going to have to cut a lot of that out, huh?

So I hope that you guys, I'm sorry that this one's a little punchy, but you know what? It's the holiday season. So I hope you didn't enjoy these cases, but maybe enjoyed my telling of them. Yeah. Just, you know, it's all fine here. Yeah, we're fine. Taboo. So enjoy yourselves.

Be kind. love you guys and we hope you keep listening and we hope you keep it weird i'm not doing one for either of these but not so weird that you murder people at christmas not so weird that you murder people ever yeah don't keep it that weird don't do it murk rossler bye as a fun little christmas treat uh the other day ash and i did not know that we were recording and this is legit it. We had no idea because you can hear me at the end say shit are we recording. Yep. And we had a very organic conversation about Jack the Ripper and the crime scene photos that came from it. And in the middle of it, I insult somebody's eyebrows. Exactly. The kind woman I am. And I just

think it would be funny for you guys to be able to hear us having a like actual like, you know, true crime convo. Just a real true crime convo, which is basically how this whole thing started. So it's like a nice little like throwback to how it all began. Kismit. So you know what? Enjoy this quick. little organic conversation we had about Jack the Ripper. Enjoy. Also, did you see the photo I posted on Twitter of the colored photo of the Jack the The Ruther victim? I was literally just looking at it while you were in the kitchen.

It doesn't even look real. I have seen that photo about a billion times and like seen it in the black and white. They just colorized it. That's insane. And it's so much worse in color. It's really scary. Like I've seen that photo about a billion times. Me too.

And seeing this, I was like, wowsers. Because in the black and white photo You're like, wow, that looks like a mess, but like, I don't know But it's like, things blend into each other though Person and look what he did And like her face is just gone And like her fucking And her thighs are gone

Everything in between her thighs is gone Like some of the skin on her leg is off You can see bone like her femur Literally you can see her whole ass fever Like you literally see her femur He must have been a doctor or something like that right I don't know This doesn't look very sterile

that doesn't look real like didn't he like disembowel people though but he did do he did do a lot of things where he would like take out a kidney and stuff right it's hard to find a kidney when you're like a professional in there know where it is like a fact the other day we were trying to find the kidney do you think he knew what he was taking out or do you think he was just like

I don't know if he was just going in there and being like I'm just going to rip whatever I put my hand around first yeah because kidneys are pretty like good gross yeah that means eyebrows me I just don't know. I just don't know. Oh, why did it start recording?