Morbid - Listener Tales 67

Episode Date: February 3, 2023

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is a mini morbid. It's so tiny small. A little tiny small. That was pretty. It was like kind of country. It was a little bit country, a little bit rock and roll.

Oh. Isn't that a song like, I'm a little bit country? Sure it is. The Osmans. And rock and roll. I'm a little bit country. And a little bit rock and roll. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm a little bit tone deaf. everybody's like and I'm done with this now all right well since it is a mini morbid perhaps we should just dive into the quick business that we have and hell yeah I'd like you to tell me a story if you will we're just going to dive into that case oker like a scuba diver diver i scuba dive this week and you scuba dived this week yeah we scuba dived together remember deep dives oh my god I was so confused I was like we did not ash I thought like so I was like we did not go to the water like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're like you're You just became a pathological liar. What just happened? I thought you broke for a second, but that's okay. I'm not broken.

You're not. I'm broken in another way. No, I'm just kidding. I'm totally kidding. Okay, anyways, I almost just said January 30th. We'll be at the grammar scene. Be there, be square. We already did that.

We did. It was awesome. It was the litest of the tinnest. It sure was. Oh my God, wait. Have we even told people that we're going to be at Death Becomes Us? No, we haven't. Shit.

So there it is. We're going to be at the Death Becomes Us Festival. April 23rd at the Grammarcy. Hell yeah, we're coming back to the Grammarcy. I loved the Grammarcy. The Grammarcy was rad. Everyone that worked, that was so nice. And the Death Becomes Us Festival is going to be the shit.

I cannot wait for it. I'm so stoked. We're going to be doing an awesome case. Oh, me. Oh, fuck. I have to get more pants. She sure does, guys. I only have one pair on deck and I was going to wear them to Philly.

So you know what? If you missed the first Gramercy show on January 30th, you get another chance. And you don't just get to see us. You get to see all kinds of cool. stuff. Many, many, many cool things. So let me tell you, come to the Death Becomes Us Festival. We will post a link in all of our shit so you can go to it. But go do it. Buy tickets to our show there. It's going to be so fun. We have a really fun case, guys, I swear, I swear. Be there, be square. Are you done? Do it. I was like, holy shit, monologue. I was on a roll. Well, before that, April 14th,

We're going to be at the Punchline Comedy Club in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. You should be there, too. It's going to be awesome. Be there or be square. The very next day, we'll be at the D.C. Improv in Washington, D.C. Monuments. Yeah. I can't wait to see them. I know. I've never been to Philly or Washington.

Me neither, and I'm really excited. I've also never been to Huntsville, Alabama, but we will be there May 6th at Stand Up Live. We're going to be Roll Tidon and war eagling. And everything in between. Sure are. We support it all. Respect for everyone. Respect. Respect. R-E-S-B-C-T, if I know what it means to me.

Ooh, it's one of those. Did you like that? I did. Are you just upset that I'm going to sing throughout the whole episode? I love it. That was really convincing. Asshole. Not a good actress, apparently.

Nope. May 7th, early and late at Zanies in Nashville. Zanies, we're coming for you. We're going to get all zany. We're going to get so zany that night. I'm feeling pretty zany right now. I am too. And then June 12th in Chicago at Talia Hall,

which looks like the most sexy venue. Oh, my goodness. It's a sexy unique venue. It's so sexy. It's so spooky. And speaking of Chicago, we've had a few people, especially from Chicago, but from other places to, telling us, like, great places to go in their city. That's so nice.

In fact, this guy named John emailed us today and told us all these amazing places to go in Chicago. John. And I was like, John, what up? You have a great name. And you're just a sweet fella. I'm so stoked. I really appreciate it. And everybody's been so sweet about it.

They really have. So think so much we can't meet to meet you and just smush your faces. It's going to be great. I don't think we're allowed to do that. You know what? You'll do what you want. In spirit, I will smush your faces, okay? Yeah.

Just know that I'm thinking about it. Just know that she's smushing your face. I am. In my brain, I'm smushing your face. So we just, I also, I want to say that everybody was so sweet about the episode we just dropped yesterday. The Dorian Corey. and Corey and the mommy in her closet.

Everybody seemed to dig it. So we got great feedback from it. And you guys have been awesome. So thanks so much for giving us such lovely sentiments about it. Can I do a spoiler for next week's episode? Yes, you can. Okay. We're so excited.

And like we had such great feedback from it that we're going to do Venus extravaganz on next week. We are. We're just going to ride this Paris's burning wave. I'm pretty lit for it. Because I was, like I said in the episode, I was going to do both those cases in one episode. but it just, I had way too much information about Dorian and I didn't want to make it too long. You?

I know. Too much information. I know. And brevity is usually my thing. It is. I'm saying. But yeah, so we're going to do Venus extravaganza, probably for the mini next week. Yeah.

It's just a smaller case. Unfortunately, it's an unsolved case. So it's not a ton of information about it, but we're going to do it. Yeah. So tonight, however. What are we doing, sis? Tonight we're doing a Scottish episode. Scottish.

fish. Ooh, the end of that didn't go well. But, you know, we're flying with it. I thought it was good. All right, cool. Thank you. I got Shrek vibes. Okay, good. That's what I was going for. And I happen to be half Scottish, guys. So I'm really feeling this one. So if you're half Scottish, you're like a quarter Scottish. Okay. Because once and for all. Or less than that, actually. You're my aunt. Yeah. Technically. You're probably less than a quarter. But she's really my sister. And if you say that we're not sisters, I'll come and fight you. But we digress. Do I? I'm half Scottish. Back to that. You're like, I'm not your sister. I'm half Scottish.

So this, you know, I figured we needed to bring one from the homeland. Got to do it. Let's get it. Let's get it. For Klan or a cart. That's what we got to do. What do you think would happen if I did the Embark Dog test with my saliva? Guys, do you see what I have to deal with every single day?

They'd be like, you're a golden retriever. Like, what is, what was that even? Because I was thinking about, No, I know your thought process. I do know your thought process, unfortunately. But what would happen? And Bark just pulled their sponsorship. So today we're going to be covering the case of, wow.

The, okay, I'm good. Yeah, because this is a really, this is actually a really brutal case. So we got the giggles out ahead of time. Now, this is a real brutal case. Okay. So somber nation has come. This is the case of the brutal murder of Paige Doherty by John Latham. Okay.

John Latham is a literal piece of human garbage. A piece of wet lettuce, if you will. A piece of the wettest lettuce. Soggy lettuce. Lettuce that has been moistened by pee that has not seen hydration in three months. Whoa. And has only been fed asparagus. Stanky, stanky.

Moist lettuce. Straight up just yellow pea. Wow, that's foul. Okay. Anyways. So, glad we could take you there. You're welcome. Paige Doughty was 15 years old.

15? Yeah, a baby. Yeah, a baby. She was born on April 17th, 2000 in Clyde Bank, Scotland. That makes me feel old. I know, 2000. I'm like, I'm like, whoa.

Shoot. So her mother is Pamela Monroe and she had a stepfather, Andy Monroe. She is very, very, very close to her parents. I mean, her mother was like her best friend. Her stepfather, she literally referred to him as like the greatest thing that ever happened to her. Like, he's just this wonderful stepfather.

It's just like, is one of those scenarios where you're like, that just worked. He like pieced together the family. Yeah, it's just like he was like, like the missing piece. I love stories like that. I know, right? Um, and they just seem like this really like happy, awesome family. She's the oldest. Um, she had, um, a younger sister and two younger brothers. And they, again, they all just seemed like this really happy, normal functioning family. Yeah. Honestly, nowadays is so rare. It is like a happy fun. Obviously, I'm sure they were like a normal

family and it wasn't like hunky dory all the time. It wasn't like the Brady bunch. Exactly. But like, it seemed like they were just like one of the good ones. Yeah. Yeah. So Paige was very tiny. She was four foot eight. Wow. Yeah, she was very petite. Yeah, shorter than me even. Very tiny, very petite.

She was absolutely gorgeous. Yeah. Like long, dark hair. She just like, she's one of those girls that you're like, you didn't even have to try. Like you woke up like that. You just woke up like that. Okay. She, she, Beyonce, like, she just looked like that.

She was also super into makeup, super into fashion. Very into hair. She had aspirations of becoming a hair stylist. Yes. And in fact, she had a part-time job at a hair salon. She worked on Saturday mornings. I think she just, like, did assistant things around the salon. You know what I mean?

Like, you would know better than I. The worst things ever. But she loved it. She just really loved this job. I love that. Yeah, and it was just on Saturday mornings. It was just like to make some extra money to get the experience. And she just loved being around that.

And that's like the best day. to be in the salon on a Saturday. It's like hustle and bustle. Yeah, exactly. You know, like, and she just, that was what she wanted to do. So it's like what better, what better job to get at 15 when you have aspirations of that than to work in that environment. And to get your foot in the doorway like that early on is a big deal. Exactly. She was, she was known as being very respectful, very loving. She was a very kind girl. She was a very normal teenage girl. Like, it's not like she was, you know, this like crazy wild child. and she wasn't like, you know, they talk about her like a very normal girl. Yeah.

Very normal. Very, you know, of course she could be moody like a regular teenager. They don't try to like paint her as like a not human being. Right. But she was by no means like a wild child. She respected her parents. They had a great relationship. She was very.

I mean, the fact that she had a job at 15 is like huge. Like it really was and people say she wouldn't her to fly. She wasn't mean. She wasn't, you know, she wasn't catty. She was just a good kid. Yeah, she was just sweet. She had a boyfriend named Dylan who really liked her. Yeah, and he's like a really sweet, and he's adorable. That's the purest.

Yeah, it really is. And like any other teenager, she was, I mean, pretty much attached to her phone. That phone never left her hand. Yep. She was never seen without it. She was always looking down at it. Very into social media. Yep.

In fact, the social media thing and the phone thing being such a huge part of her life, is part of the reason that she was like it was noticeable that she was missing so that was helpful yeah and that was like prime time social media that's when like everything was coming out exactly and that's why you know it played a huge role in this case so friday march 18th 2016 page uh had a sleepover at her friend lauren's house just a regular you know you're 15 years old you sleep at a friend's house yeah this was a friday night so saturday night so saturday morning she had to wake up and go to work and she did because she was good for her job again so she was like it's totally fine to get up and go so march 19th the saturday she woke up left early um on her way to

the salon and on her way to the salon since it was early morning she usually stopped at like a deli or a coffee place to grab you know like a breakfast sandwich yeah something to eat on the way in um and again because her shifts were early so by midday that day that day Dylan, her boyfriend, had not heard anything from her. Uh-oh. And he said, this is weird. There was no texts. And she wasn't responding to texts.

And he was like, that was weird for her. Yeah. She, again, always had her phone, always answered back. And he was like, you know, I just, that, it immediately gave me, like, what the hell's going on here? Right. Even though she was at work, she could always take a break and shoot me a quick text like we all do. Yeah. So Dylan was really concerned.

And then by lunchtime, he still had an hour. heard anything. And was her shift probably like overish around? No, I think her, her shift was still going on, but he was like, she would have had a break by now. She should have at least once responded. Yeah. Because again, she started early morning. Right. So Dylan's super worried. So he's like, you know what? I'm going to do it. I'm going to call the hair salon and just make sure she got there. Okay. Because he wasn't like being like, why the hell isn't she answering me? She was worried about her safety. I just want to make sure she got there. Yeah. So he calls the hair salon and he's like, is she okay? Like, did she make it to work today? Like, is she there? And the boss is like,

yeah, she never came to work today. And the boss was also like, she also never called in. That's weird that they wouldn't have like called her parents. Well, they were just like, yeah, they were like, she didn't come in today and she didn't call in. So we just, you know. A no call, no show. We just assumed. Yeah, they just were like a no call no show. I mean, she's a 15 year old teenager. I don't think they were like thinking too much about it. Thinking it was too crazy that a teenager might do a no call, no show. Yeah, that's true. So, yeah, the boss is like, yeah, she didn't come.

She didn't call. Don't know what to tell you. Right. So Dylan is like, okay, that's weird. Right. Like, that is not normal for her. What the fuck's going on? Why wouldn't she text me to tell me if she was sick or something?

Like, this is weird. Why isn't she? He was like, I, blah. So he calls Pam, her mom. Yeah. And he's like, hey, you know, I called. I hadn't heard from her all. day have you heard for is she home yeah and Pam was like no she's not home she was supposed to be at work

and he was like she's not at work right so Pam's like what the fuck yeah what do you mean she's not at work so Dylan goes on online and it's like I'm gonna look at social media see if she's been on it all today right so he goes on he sees that none of her social media profiles have had any activity okay no comments no nothing like no status updates like no like online now button yeah I was going to say Like, you know you can tell when somebody's been online or, you know, like, liking things and all that. Yeah. And he looks and he's like, okay, the last she was online was last night when she was at her friend's house. So he's like, that's really weird too.

So he tells her mom and they're like, this is not like her. So they immediately call the police, which good for them because they were like, we're not wasting any time here. Police arrived at her house. They spoke to her family, her mom, her stepfather. Friends of hers went on social media to ask if any. Anyone had seen her. By that evening, no one had heard anything. Yeah.

And all her friends were saying, we haven't heard from her either. We haven't. And that's weird. Why have none of us gotten a text? So already it's looking pretty grim. Right. Police started a search team that evening. Volunteers went out and searched for her that evening,

all in like the nearby areas, like woods and around the shops and the route that she had taken. This went into Sunday morning. again, no activity at all. Things are not looking good. They're not finding anything. So there was a, you know, of course they're going to be like, could she have run away? Right. Would she have done this on her own?

Literally no one in her life was thinking that she would do. They were like, no, no. It just doesn't know. And this wasn't one of those like, no, of course not. She wouldn't have done that. They were like, no. Like that's a preposterous thing to even think. Not only is that not like her and that she was very happy in her life and the people around.

her but like she didn't have any money right and they were like where would she have gone where was and why would she leave her friend lauren's house not tell her friend lauren that she was going to disappear and her phone probably would have been active like exactly there would have been some activity right someone would have known right like where is she going and it's like her boyfriend she's just leaving her boyfriend she's just leaving like and like all the sudden after like a sleepover like a very normal thing yeah and she wasn't acting strange that night like Lauren said she was like she was her normal self this morning She woke up and went to work. Right.

Nothing was off. Right. So that went away pretty quickly. They were like, all right. That's not what this is. But they always have to do that, you know. So they immediately started a Facebook group so that they could get the word out quicker. And it was the help find page Facebook group.

They were sharing her photo, like many photos of her in various angles and everything, just so people could really get an idea of what she looked like. Right. Pam posted pictures of the clothing she was wearing that day. And they put down like places she stopped for coffee, places she would stop for eating. Like in the mornings, like often places, places she frequented. Right. Like her normal routine places.

And they were like anyone seen her here. Please keep an eye out. They basically just gave us many, many pieces of info as they could. And friends were doing this. Like all her friends were like desperately trying to get information. I always think of what it would be like if like this happened and like to one of your friends. Like I can't imagine that feeling. Yeah.

Like helpless. Right. Because what can you do? All you can do is sit there and be like help. Right. And like try your best, but it's like you just don't know like what you're supposed to do. And you just have no idea. And the unknown must be like the scariest part of the whole experience.

Oh, that's what I can think about is her mother and just like. Yeah. Especially your mom. Having no idea. Sisters and her brothers. No idea what is happening to her. if she's, you know, like, no idea. Is she cold?

Is she hurt? And your brain like plugs in all these different scenarios. That's all. That just makes my heart hurt for like her family. And we'll learn later. I'll mention it that her mother, like her mother had such a close bond with her that she knew right away. Yeah.

She said there was not one part of her that believed that she was okay. Oh, that just made my stomach flip. And it's like, it's just because their bond was so strong that she was like, I just know. Right. Oh, that makes you so sad. To have no hope and to have to pretend to have hope. Right. Just for the sake of everybody else.

To have hope. Exactly. They made up missing posters and they were posting them everywhere in Clyde Bank around her work route, around those shops that she stopped at for food in the mornings. Everywhere. Police went on, like, searched from her, from her friend's house to the work, like the whole route. They went like bit by bit by bit to try to find anything. They were coming up completely empty. Oh my God.

And they were like, what the hell happened here? Because they know she was saying that she, I guess she had told her friend Lauren, you know, like, I'm just going to stop for something to eat and then I'm going to go to work. Right. So they were like somewhere in between getting something to eat because they were pretty sure she did get something to eat and they find out that she did. And going to the bus to go to work. What happened? Right. Like where did this happen?

It's like a very small area and a very small length of time. Right. That something had to happen. So, again, they started at Lauren's home. They went to the bus stop. By her bus stop was this group of shops. Okay. Now, the group of shops was like five or six shops.

I don't remember how many. And so the police were like, okay, let's go in here. So they went into each shop and they talked to each of the owners and were like, have you seen this girl? Right. So they spoke to a guy named Ashi Ahmed. He owned one of the shops and he said, yes, I did see her Saturday morning. Oh, okay. She did come in here.

And he said, or no, she didn't come in the shop, but he said, I did see her. And he said she was going into the deli two doors down. Okay. And I waved at her because he said, I often saw Paige in the morning. She came to that deli a lot. My heart. And he said, so I waved at her and she waved back at me. This is kind of crazy because your story and the story that I'm going to cover have a lot of

weird similarities. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's so weird. It just reminded me of a part of mine. That's so weird, because we don't tell each other whatever and he's actually. That's funny. Um, so yeah, he said, I saw her and he said, um, I saw her around like eight, fifth, between eight 15 and eight 30 a.m. And he said, I know that because I was making the roles and I make them at the same time every morning. Right. So I know that that's what it was. Um, good for him to be able to give that much information. He was great. He was like very instrumental in starting this investigation off. Right. And actually her family said, quote, we've known the Ahmeds for 25 years.

The family are grateful for what they did because they stood up early and told the truth. Oh. Because a lot of people might be a little scared. Like in this kind of investigation, they might feel a little scared to be like, you know what? I just don't even want to get involved. Yeah. I'm not even going to say anything. I'm just going to go about my business.

But I'm sorry if you fucking have information and you don't get involved. You're fucked up. If you, in this kind of situation, if they come to you and say, did you see this girl? Say what you saw. Never hide that shit. Nope. So he said she had done this in the weeks before. She'd come to the deli, got in a roll, all that good stuff.

And she had either stopped at his shop to get a roll or had gone to what he called Johnny's Deli, a couple doors down. That morning she went into the deli. This deli was actually called Delicious Deli, and it was owned by John Latham. But they knew each other, so he called him Johnny. Sure. Now, Ashi said that he had spoken to Johnny later. of that night and he had confirmed that she was in there buying a roll in a sausage and that she was cheerful and bright like she always was right nothing was out of the ordinary he was like yeah she

grabbed a roll in a sausage and went on her way like every other you know Saturday morning when she does it yep so police were like okay um so who in here has CCTV footage of the outside of these shops everybody had them on the insides but like not all of them had them on the outside um one shop had it and it was Ashy Ahmed shop that had the CCTV. Oh, shout out to the Ahmeds. Yeah, the Ahmeds are really on their shit. Right. So they really wanted to see, you know, they wanted to confirm the time she went in the

deli. They wanted to see what direction she went when she left the deli because that's what they were like, okay, great, we're going to see where she went. And maybe like her demeanor, like see if something was weird. Was somebody following her? Yeah, like get a better look at what she was wearing, making sure that she didn't seem like erratic. see that she had her phone maybe.

So they're basically just wanting to see what's our next move. Because at this point, they're just kind of dead loss. They're like, we've looked everywhere in the route. We don't know what the fuck to do now. Right. So police were like, all right, we just need like a little chunk of this footage. I guess it was on the CCTV footage would record 12 days of footage at a time and then it would like loop back and record over that.

Okay. So they would always have. have like 12 days at a time of footage. So they were like, we really only need like a few hours of footage here because we're just looking at this day. So we'll just take this chunk of footage. Yeah. So they bring it back to the station.

It has to go through some kind of conversion so they can watch it because obviously it's not just like, you know. It's not like DVR. And so Monday, March 21st, 2016 was when they got this. That was when a body was found. Oh. When they were just getting ready to. to convert this footage.

Oh, no. This was 48 hours after page went missing. Oh, wow. Yeah, and really quick. Really quick. So a dog walker had been walking in this little wooded area near Clyde Bank, and they had seen human legs under a bush. Oh, no.

They immediately called police, because can you imagine seeing human legs just popping out from behind a bush? No, I cannot. That would fuck you up. They had gone and said, so the police, so the police showed up, and they said, and they said it was a young female body and it was only half a mile away from where she was last seen at the shops so it's not looking great um the body was taken to be identified um at the morgue they were doing a post-mortem workup her family was contacted oh no but they didn't know they didn't know if it was paid yet so they

contacted her family and said look a body was found just so you know right um her mother pam said quote, the police said it was maybe a 20 year old girl and I was like, it can't be page because she's tiny. She doesn't look 20. Right. You couldn't mistake her for a 20 year old, but I knew. I knew on Saturday night that something had happened to her because she hadn't contacted me. But then when you hear on the Monday that a body has been found and it's like five minutes over the back from us, I was like, it's got to be her. Oh, God. Yeah. And she said she was like, I just knew. Like I knew it. I had already known it. The police were at their home already. at Pam and Andy's home.

Yeah. Because they were taking statements from them. Because at this point, she had been missing for 48 hours. They were running out of, you know, ideas of leads and stuff. So they were obviously starting to search her home, speaking with her family, just trying to get really latch on to anything that they can. Right. So they told her that there were, in that area, there were three girls missing currently.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Two had brown hair. One was blonde. So her mother was like, obviously this girl you found had brown hair or you would not be coming to me at all. So it's not the blonde-haired girl. Right. It's either Paige or this other girl.

Sure. So Paige, obviously Paige has brown hair. So that evening, the other brunette turned up safe. So it's Paige. So Pamela said, again, she said, I knew Saturday. So it really, I just knew. She was like this. Obviously, I held on to some string of hope.

But like in my mother's intuition gut, I knew that that was her. This is really sad. I know. So Tuesday morning, her mother and some family had to go to the morgue and identify her. Oh, God. That's another thing I can't fucking imagine. Oh, yeah. Family identifying is one of the worst things at the morgue, for sure.

Do you ever have to be present when that happens? Usually you're not technically present. Like you're not standing in the room with them. Yeah. We always let them have. their time. We set the person up and have to get them like ready for their family because you don't want you know, you don't want like medical equipment hanging off of them and like you try to clean them up a little bit and just make sure that it's as least as little gore or like shocking

thing and as you show as little of them as you can to get. Yeah. That must be a hard job too. But it's really tough. Yeah. Some people are very like, you know, very just stoic about it and just want to say their goodbye and because that's what we get a lot is a lot of people that just want to say their last goodbye right and so people will like say their last goodbye some people break down of course people start like screaming some people are you know yelling their name it's like yeah you never know what you're going to get i could never do your job and in this scenario this scenario with page's mother i mean what she saw I don't know how she's functioning at this point.

Oh, no. Because this is awful regardless of how someone died, but the way that Paige died was something that I'm sure scarred them for the rest of their life. Oh, no. She died of massive blood loss due to stab wounds. Oh, God. Now, she had over 100 stab wounds and 250 wounds altogether on her body. 250 wounds? Her mother said the papers, her mother said the paper said, the paper says,

said she was stabbed upwards of like 126 times, but her mother said it was much more than that. She said they are underreporting, I think, not to scare people. Right. And not to shock people. But she said it had to have been, all the injuries altogether were upwards of 500 injuries, she believes. Oh, my God. She said that she was stabbed with more than just a knife and she could see that right from the, right from the jump. Can you imagine your child?

No. This is, when she was, when I heard her talking about it on a podcast, it is horrific. Yeah. Horrific. I can't even. And she's just like, yep, this is what happened. Like, she's very like, like, I give her so much credit for keeping it. She must have some kind of like disconnecting.

Well, she just, she's just keeping it together. Because, can you imagine? This poor woman has other kids. Other children to take care of. Exactly. So it's like she's being a mom and she's taking it like. Or being a parent, I should say. Any parent would do this. But she also said that there was a hole the size of a fist in her neck.

Oh, my God. She literally said half her neck was gone. Oh, my God. Many of the wounds were to her head and neck. Jesus Christ. They believe a knife was used as well as scissors and a screwdriver. Oh, yeah. The day after her body was found randomly, these random teenage boys posted a photo on social media of a bloody knife.

saying that this was the knife they used to murder Paige. What? Yep. Friends of this boy reported them and said that they were on FaceTime with them, and this kid showed him a bloody knife and said he used it to kill Paige. I never understand this. No. Nothing in my body can understand this.

Right. And this kid was also calling girls and telling them this, and he was being super detailed about it. Like he was saying, like, what he did and, like, what he, it was just really weird. They looked into it, they found that it was complete bullshit. Like, what the fuck is, like, are you trying to impress girls or, like, scare them? Like, you don't seem like a badass if that's what you're trying to look like.

You seem like a fucking crazy person. Yeah, like you seem like a monster. And you are a monster for even pretending. 100% are. I don't know what happens in these cases when people, like, pretend to do these things. But I mean, it's an obstruction of justice. isn't it? I mean, it's derailing an investigation, I don't think, because it's pointing it in a different direction. I would assume in some cases they probably use that, like against them or in some cases

they're like, they use it to scare them so they never do it again. Yeah, exactly. So the police go back to the shops and they're like, all right, so the last person to see her that we know was John Latham. Right. At the delicious deli. So he was like, when they went back to talk to him, these other police went back to talk to him. He was like, oh, no, I don't, like, I don't know her. And they're like, I don't know who she is. But you just said she was here and you did know her. Wait a second. He was like, listen, I have a busy bakery. I don't know who she is. And they were like, you knew her yesterday. And like she's been in here a ton. Right. She goes here all the time. So they take them, they take them in for questioning. And after hours of pressing him, he's like,

oh, yeah, you're right. I did see her. She bought a roll on a sausage. Right. Like, yeah. And he's He said she seemed totally normal. Like nothing was weird that morning. He said the same thing that he said to Ashi Ahmed. He said that she seemed totally normal. Nothing was out of the ordinary. So John Latham was only 31 years old at this point. Uh-huh.

He was a father of two young kids. He was married to a woman named Katia. He had a young baby with Katia and also had a nine-year-old daughter from a previous relationship named Paige. Whoa. Yeah. Yep. Buried the lead on that one. Okay.

So yeah. Yeah. So that's just weird. Very weird. So they process the CCTV footage. They're able to watch it now. They have released a lot of the CCTV footage. I don't know if I could watch that.

Well, it's nothing gruesome or anything. No, I know. I find those videos like last moments. Yeah. Haunting as fuck. It's spooky because on it, You can see Paige enter the delicious deliice deli. Right.

At 8.21 a.m. So Ashi Ahmed was right. So they're watching the video and they're waiting for her to leave and they're waiting and they're waiting and they're waiting. She never left that deli. That's so scary. And they again, they release the footage of that so you can see her go in. She does not come out. That's the scariest fucking thing ever.

So they go back to Ashia Ahmed. It's like it's before 8.30 in the morning. It's literally before. It's before 9 o'clock in the morning. That's insane. That's like the most unassuming time ever. And you think, you don't think you're going to walk into a fucking deli. No.

In the middle of the damn morning and something like that's going to happen. So they process. So they went back to Ashi Ahmed and they're like, we need the full 12 day loop of footage because now we need to see what the fuck is going on here. Because she didn't leave. So where hell did she go? Right. She was found somewhere else. So he had to get her out of there somehow.

So he gives it right to them. Yeah. They also go back to Delicious Deli and they take John Latham in for questioning. So they also are like, hey, you have a security camera inside your shop. We want the tape to that. So he was like, oh yeah, absolutely. But I lost it. You can totally have the kit. No, no, he's like, here you go.

You can have the tape. So he hands it over to them. Thing is, he gave them partial footage. Now, he cut out most of the footage of that morning. Oh, that's weird. So all of a sudden, you'll watch and they have the footage from inside. Does it like blink out and then pop back on? All of a sudden it's just like, there's just this big chunk missing and then it just goes about.

Oh, that's really fucking spooky. In fact, you never even see her in the deli in this footage. Of course not. Yeah. So in the 12-day loop of footage, again, she never leaves that deli. Right. Now, they sent in a forensic team to the deli at this point and they're searching for evidence because clearly they know she died here now. Right.

Now, meanwhile, they're still going through these 12 days of CCTV footage from Ashi Ahmed, and they notice that she never left, but two hours after Paige entered the deli, you can see John literally run out of his deli. It's in the middle of, and it's like a busy morning. Yeah, it's a Saturday. He runs out of his deli in a clearly panicked state. Uh-huh. He runs into another shop next door.

he ended up buying some things and then running back into his own deli. Okay. Now, they asked the shop that he ran into what he bought there and they were like, oh, he bought trash bags, bleach, and antibacterial wipes. Oh, like the most unassuming items that you could possibly ever buy if you're in question of murder. Especially around, you know, like 10.30 in the morning. You're just running in there.

Just getting a late start to cleaning. Yeah, just real quick. Now they start talking to witnesses on that morning again. and they all confirmed that they were like, oh yeah, the deli was open in the morning, and then it closed. Okay. And everybody's like, what? And they were like, yeah, he shut the blinds. Like, it was closed.

And they were like, so 821, it's open. And then he just closes it. Can you imagine if you ate at that deli later that day? Yeah. Like, that's fucked. Can you imagine? No. So at 10.03 a.m., you see John come out of the deli.

Mm-hmm. He walks to his own car, which is right in front of the day. deli because what it is it's like these five shops then there's pavement in front of these shops and then there's a parking lot right in front of the pavement so right in front of the shops are a line of car that's actually exactly what i was pictured yeah that's exactly it so he comes out he walks over to his car he opens his trunk and he looks like he's clearing space in his trunk perfect yeah the next part was never released to the public good they cut this part out her family has seen it i wouldn't want to see you. John is seen leaving the deli with a big trash bag. Now, he puts this trash bag in his trunk

and at 1159 he gets back in his car from the deli and drives away. Now again, Paige was four foot eight. She's tiny. Right. It's not crazy to think that she could fit in a trash bag, unfortunately. Oh my God, that's awful. March 24, 2016, John Latham was arrested for the murder of Paige Doherty. Mm-hmm. They searched his home, and while this is all going on, the news showed him, you know, he was literally, as this is going on, as they are searching his home, as he's been arrested for murder, he was in news footage as, like, one of those like, yeah, crazy that this happened in my community. Oh, that's so fucked up. He's one of those that likes to be, like, in the thick of it. Oh, this is so weird, because a lot of your case is, like, mine. That's so funny. And, like, he's talking about how awful it was. And he's. And he's talking about how awful it was. and he keeps saying, I have a child, I have a daughter of my own. Named Paige.

This is really her, like this is breaking my heart for her family. You son of a bitch. Yeah. And Paige's mother said that he asked her to come to his house so he could tell her about pages the last time he saw Paige. So he was going to get some like weird satisfaction out of that. Oh yeah. Well, and then her mom is like on this podcast, I'll have to post the link to the

podcast that the mom was on because it's really. interesting to watch. If you're not from Scotland, it's a little hard to understand. Scottish accents can be a little hard to understand. The brogue. But it's, I love them. I do too. Like, love them, love them. But, you know, it can be hard to understand. A sucker for a good accent. I am too. I love it. The Scottish accent is one of the best. Yeah. But it's a really fascinating interview and she's so fucking strong. It's unbelievable. And she says, she was like, yeah, he asked me to come to his house and like was going to tell me about, she was like, I don't even know, like what did you want to tell me?

Like, I don't need to know about the last time you saw her. Like, that's gross. Right. And then she was like, and then I think about it now and I'm like, what the fuck was he going to do to me? Well, yeah. Like, did he know that I was on to him at that point? Like, was he luring me in to get rid of me?

Right. And it's like, fuck. So she said, and she was like, yeah, she's like, I immediately knew he was a fucking creep. I don't want anything. Even before he was arrested for, and this was all a thing, I knew he was a creep. She got like a weird vibe for me. Yeah, again, this girl, this.

lady. Pam Monroe has vibes. Mama vibes. So John stuck to his story. He was like, she got a roll. She got a sausage. She left. Even though they were like, no. No, but here's the footage that shows she didn't leave. And he's like, I don't know what to tell you. She wasn't in my, and they were like, you better figure it out. You're a big, dumb, dumb, John. Right. A big old dumb. That's exactly what they said. Because it's like, really do like, they have the footage. Where the fuck? Well, that's the most frustrating part is like when you're caught fucking basically red handed. And it's like, okay, like fess up. That is a trait of like sociopaths. To be like, no, I didn't do it.

Because it's like to like have the evidence laid out in front of them and be like, look, though, we have you on camera doing that. And they're like, no. That happens in my case. Holy shit. Yeah. I had an ex-boyfriend who used to do that shit to me. That's a gaslighting. Yeah, it's literally gaslighting.

You're like, no, I have this text from Rhonda. He's like, I've never met Rhonda. No, I remember I had a literal, I had a literal movie stub saying, you went to this movie on this day at this place and I held it up to his face and he told me I was wrong. It was a misprint. And I was like, what? But they make you believe it. And I was like, what? And these people are used to getting people to believe them.

Yeah. Even when the evidence is blatantly not in their favor. Yeah. And he was just, I think that he has probably lived. his life getting away with that shit? Like this John Latham, not my ex. I was like, I mean, getting deeper. I don't know. But this, I think John Latham has lived his life getting away with being that way. With telling people, nope, even though they're like, no, I have the evidence right here. He's like, nope, and they just go with it. Yeah. He's like, I'm just going to do it here.

He's like, why is this not working? Yeah, why is this not working right now? It's like, it involves a murder, asshole. Right. So when he went to court, he initially didn't enter a plea. Okay. Not guilty, not not guilty. September 5th, 2016, John Latham appeared in court and pled guilty out of nowhere. So this is, so he was arrested on March 24th, and it wasn't until

September 5th that he went in and pled guilty. Wow. So here's his story. Oh, goody. He said that page came in that morning, bought a roll and sausage, the same fucking story. But now he says, you know, they chatted a while. Because remember before he was like, oh yeah, I don't even know who she

I didn't even remember seeing her bar before. Now he's like... How the tides change. Yeah, now he's like, okay, yeah, we chatted. He's like, I was making her the role and all that, and she was mentioning that she wanted a new job. Wrong. Not true. Why would she stop working at a hair salon to work at a deli?

It doesn't make any sense. When she wants to be a hairstylist. Right. None of it makes sense. She's not a meat connoisseur. And again, she loved her job. Right. It was well known that she loved her job.

So she was like, oh, I really want to work at this fucking deli. And John was like, cool, you can fill out an application in the back. Already, I don't love it. Yeah. So as she, he says, as she's filling. Yeah, like, you can just bring that shit to me out here and I'll sit at a table. Yeah. So he says as she was filling out the application in the back, she had said that she was 15.

And he was like, oh, shit, you can't work here at 15. I need to get like special permission from your mom. Like she needs to sign off. And that's normal. Like whatever. Well, he says she flipped out. Because she really wanted to work at that deli. Because she just wanted to work at that fucking deli.

So bad. Yeah. And he says, so she flips out. And she says, if you don't give me this job. I'm going to go to the police and tell them that you touched me inappropriately. Um, that, no. Nope. Nope.

Wrong. Bye. I don't think even one of these things tracks. John Latham. On any galaxy. You've pressed it incorrect. Yeah. John Latham.

Try again, sir. So, yeah. So, no, doesn't make sense. Now, weirdly enough, he has a twin brother. John Latham does. He has a twin brother who is a registered sex offender. Yo. He's a rapist. Yo. Now, what John said was in that moment when she said, I'm going to tell the police that you inappropriately touched me, he said, I thought about how terrible my brother's life is now. Boo fucking who.

Oh, yeah. I'm so sorry for your brother. Twin brother has some trouble getting a fucking job and shit. No one gives a shit. But apparently he was like, I thought about how hard his life is now. And so I just couldn't let that happen to me. I couldn't bear that happening to me. So instead I decided to go down as a murderer. I grabbed a knife and I just started stabbing her. In the middle of the deli. What part of this makes sense in any universe?

No, it doesn't make any sense at all. So it's like, dude, you're a fucking idiot. Does he ever come out and say what really happened? No, that's his story. That's so frustrating. To this day, this poor girl is dead. And he is still to this day saying she blackmailed me. She was the one saying that I, that she was going to go to the police and say I touched her.

It's like in the polyclass murder. How he has to say that one last thing about her dad. Yeah. It's these fuckers trying to get in one last evil dig at these people because they can't come and defend themselves. So it's believed that he brought her body back to his home and hid it in a garden shed, then just hung out with his family. Jesus, Christ. Yeah, his children and his wife. Can you imagine fucking being married to him, that poor woman?

Fuck that poor Katia. Pamela believes so Paige's mom believes and I agree that he tried something with Paige that morning like tried to come on to her

and that she like rebuffed him and was like fucking you're gross in 31 right and she already had a job she loved it that doesn't make any sense so she was way and again she was like I said before she was like

she was that kind of teenage girl she was in a fashion and to makeup, into style, into hair. I don't think a deli would be her ideal place to work. Because it's not like you're, I don't think she'd be wanting to work somewhere where you're getting like down and dirty and like deli-y. It's just not a super glamorous thing. It's not. So it just none of this tracks.

Yeah, none of this tracks. So what Pamela thinks is that he tried something with Paige. She like was like, fuck no. And he was pissed. And he got pissed. And was probably worried. And then was worried she's going to go tell someone now. And I'm going to end up like my brother.

And it all went down that way. But instead, he's going to put it on her. Yeah. Why not? Like a piece of shit. Fucking soggy lettuce. So soggy lettuce. Dehydrated asparagus lettuce.

So his sentencing. It's a genetically modified organism. It is. Sorry. Go ahead. So his sentencing trial was set for October. Okay. October 12th, 2016, he was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum of 27 years.

Wow. Now, December 2016, this little turd was like, I want to appeal for a reduced sentence. Why? Because my sentence is, quote, unquote, excessive. Excessive for murdering a teenage girl. You know what's excessive? Stabbing someone 500 times. That's pretty fucking excessive, you piece of fucking garbage.

Yeah. Like what the fuck? And I read something where his lawyer said it to, he was like, they were like, it's a little overkill to like give him that much. And it's like, weird how like an eye for an I. You fucking asshole. Like, holy shit. That fucking term when you're, yeah. And excessive. It's like, this whole fucking thing is excessive, dude. And unnecessary. Well, the court lowered his sentence. Too shitting me. But they only lowered it four years. So they said, they said life in

prison with a minimum of 23 years. But he could potentially be paroled. Technically, he could be paroled, which is not cool. And he was only 30, so he'd be like 50 something by the time he got paroled, which means he would be out in that fucking deli again or like somewhere again and could do the same goddamn thing. Exactly, because he's an unhinged piece of shit. I hope he dies in prison.

Well, in May 2017, Pamela, Paige's mom, had a baby girl. Did she name her Paige? named Penny Margaret Page. How cute is that fucking name? No. Like Penny Margaret Page. That moved my insides. Didn't it?

Yeah. No, I just got a sweeping emotion. And I just like, and after like her baby girl was like stolen from her in that way. I'm just so happy that her and Andy, like her and the stepfather, like we're able to have like a little girl. Yes. That has like pages like spirit. You know what I mean? I'm going to get so like ridiculous here.

But you know how like when somebody passes away and then like you have a baby and you just feel like they like maybe like did something for you or like they're evident in that baby somehow? Yes, absolutely. I believe in that spiritual shit. I'm totally into it. You know what I mean? I'm totally into that. Her mom is like is still trying to keep this case alive. She's still trying to keep Paige's memory alive.

They still celebrate Paige's birthday. They donate to a charity in her name. they set up a charity called Pages Promise. And I believe it's at pagespromise.org. I'm going to double check that. Either way, I'm going to put the link in the show notes for this. And on the website, what Pages Promise says that they do is, quote, we aim to help other families in similar circumstances.

As we expand, we want to offer financial assistance to families towards funeral costs or expenses incurred while off work to cover bills. Our aim is to help families or anyone who is going through tragic circumstances and needs to gain peace and harmony in their life. Wow. So these people started a charity in her name just to help anyone else going through this. And they just like turned it into such like a beautiful thing. And they offer through Page's promise they offer like self-defense classes. Oh, that's awesome.

Like they're doing it. I love that. It's unbelievable. And her mom is trying. So Paige apparently had like a bucket list. Stop. That she wanted to like complete and her mom is trying to go through her bucket list and like do these things. You're hurting me.

One of them is like going to NYC, which they did. Learning to drive. Oh my God. She was only 15. Oh my God. Oh my God. Going to getting a tattoo. Yes.

Going to Barbados. Stop this. So they did and it was like, so she was doing all these things in her name. She also on the evening that John pled guilty to murdering her. at 8 p.m. that evening Pam started a campaign called Pout for Page and it was

her taking a photo with like the like the duck lips. Yeah like the duck lips because she was a 15 year old girl and that's all she did. Oh hell yeah I ducklipped the shit out of my life at 15. They did pout for page and they started this and it was just to keep her memory alive. Yeah. Awareness alive. Basically it's just

people take a photo with the pouted lip and they write hashtag pout for page. There was select. celebrities doing it. It went like crazy. Like viral. Everywhere. Like I love that. Yeah. And I guess they still do it every year on the day they do pout for page. Can we pout for page? I totally want to pout for page. I want to do that. Let's find out one of this. Because I love it. It's just so simple. But it's like so and to see like celebrities and like big names getting into it and stuff. And you know pages somewhere. Yeah. She's somewhere being like hell yeah. Pout for page. You all look great. Yes. And so what's crazy is recently the owner of the building where the deli was planned to reopen it as another food place no thank you because he was like and this dude this person was like we're losing money we need to open it i'm so sorry who the fuck is going to go eat there are you kidding me not me sir

pamela went bonkers obviously about this i haven't found a lot of updates about it but she was trying to stop this shit from happening and honestly i hope she can stop it from happening you know what they should put there if they were going to fucking put anything as a hair salon they really should Good, that's right. Yeah. That's smart. Yeah. But it's like, I mean, I feel for her even that she just has to probably pass this place at times.

Yeah. To get to where she's going. Her daughter was brutally murdered. That's awful. And for no fucking reason. Yeah. Senseless. Senseless.

That's what kills me about this case. I mean, all murders are senseless. But this one is just like, she, it was 8.30 in the morning. She was stopping to get a fucking roll on her way to work. To get breakfast. And this guy just brutalizes her. That's unfathomable. Yeah.

And he's like a little rat fuck too. And then blames her. Yeah. So fuck John Latham. I hope he rots in jail. Me too. And I hope he doesn't make it to get parole because I'm really pissed off about that. I do too.

So we're going to follow that real close. Sure are. We're going to pout for page. Everybody should pout for page. Go take a look at pages promise. I'm going to post the links for all these things. It's just really cool. And if anybody has ever gone.

through shit like this, you know, check out Paige's promise because they're trying to help everybody who's ever had to deal with this kind of shit. That's amazing. So that is the tragic story of Paige Doherty. But hopefully her memory lives on. Lives on in a good way. And her mom's a fucking badass. Yeah. She really is. Pam? Pam. Pam. Pam. She's fucking Pam. Also, can I say that like all I could think of was like Pam from the office and like Andy from Parks and Rec like getting together? Oh my God. Weird. Love that. sorry. But that makes it like really cool. It's like a, I don't know. Emerging of worlds. Correct. Colliding of universes, if you will. Yes. Love it.

So yeah. So that is the tragic story of Paige Dorety, but we will post all the good things in there. And yeah. We'll do that on Instagram. And you can see it at Morbid Podcast. We'll post about it on Twitter and you can follow us at. A Morbid Podcast. We will, you'll see it on the Facebook page and the Facebook group. Morbid, colon, a true crime podcast. I think you can send us an email telling us anything that you'd like to. Preferably positive. Yeah.

Morbid podcast. I was like, what did I just? What did I invite us to? We hope you keep listening. And we hope you. Keep it weird. But that's where they're an actual piece of fucking lettuce, asparagus, dehydrated, pee nasty motherfucker.

Bye. Fuck you, John Lathan. I haven't done that in a while and it's really hard. Thank you.