Morbid - Listener Tales 71

Episode Date: March 10, 2023

Listener Tales 71 is here and we think this is a pretty dope one! Make sure to keep your ear out for the special announcement at the top of the show, and then we dive into all things creepy, weird and macabre. On today's installment we feature stories about doppelgangers, a group of listeners who could have been featured on an episode of Dateline and the creepiest chloroform stealing lab partner. If you have a listener tale that you would like to send in please do so and direct it to [e-mail] with "Listener Tale" somewhere in the subject line :) Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a mini morbid. Little tiny small mini morbid. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini morbid. Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. And it's Ashcentric. I wrote this up and I was just like kind of like, what's it called?

Like slap happy. And my title of my Google Doc is Ash Centric. accentric bitch mini hashtag quarantine damn i was having a day you are having a day having me a day so we're not going to do too much business at the beginning of this but like every other episode we're going to say our shows quickly and then we're going to start shouting out uh we're going to do 10 patrons per episode so who shows June 2nd at the good night comedy club in Raleigh North Carolina we will be there either June 2nd or or another day. We will let you know.

June 3rd, the Comedy Zone in Charlotte, North Carolina. You two, Charlotte. That day or another day. October 11th, two shows in Chicago at Talia Hall. I feel like those are going to happen, and I'm very excited about them. I think so. July 8th at the Comedy Works South in Greenwood Village, Colorado. Colorado, you and your elevation. We're going to be there. Yeah.

I lost my place. July 11th at the Wilber Theater in Boston. Please, please, please, please. We really want to do that, guys. I want you to see the comedy stylings of Emily Walsh. I know. Well, either way, we'll have to hopefully, even if it does have to get rescheduled, we'll get her. If it's not happening, we'll resched.

But make sure you're buying tickets either way because they'll be good for whatever date it happens. So buy up those tickets. Awesome. August 11th, Philadelphia, Punchline Comedy Club. See you then. Philadelphia. We can't wait to see you because we missed you so much on the original day. So much.

September 16th at the Washington, or in Washington, D.C. at the D.C. improv. I do that every time. You do. Monuments. Can't wait to see him. Lit. Two shows are happening September 23rd in Nashville at Zanis. Nashville. We're coming at you all over you. And last but not least, go road tide, go Eagles.

is it war eagles war eagle war eagles September 24th Huntsville Alabama Stand up live Yes Alabama Let's get it And now for some patrons Patrions we're excited This week we're starting with a Madonna

Kristen Kristen's so hot right now Then Jill Austrohn Ostrow sorry Jill Ostrow And then the next one Jay Gatsby. Um, what up, Jay Gatsby?

Thanks for, thanks for being a Patreon. You're, you know, my favorite literary character, so I appreciate you donating. Sergeant Lexi is next. Sergeant Lexi. Carly Miller. Carly Miller. Anna Kinsel. Anna Kinsel.

Jenny Calwell. Jen Collwell. Uh, Rachel, I'm so sorry if I fuck up your last name. I'm going to say P. Panchenko. Rachel Panchenko. Love you. Ashley Lauren.

Ashley Lauren, two first names. Two first names. Also, Lauren is my little sister's name, so that was weird to write. Real weird. Ashley and Lauren. Also a clothing brand. Bye. And then last but not least is Tracy Crispin.

Tracy Crispin. Thank you so much to our beautiful, beautiful patronesses. We fucking love you. More than you ever could imagine. We couldn't do any of this without you. Not a single bit of it. So we appreciate you so much. So March 22nd, 2018 in O'Clair, Wisconsin.

This guy, O'Clair, isn't that fun to say? O'Clair. What's the dessert? Is it an E. Clair? Okay, so this is O'Clair, a little bit different. But this guy, Don Sipple, is sitting down to eat dinner. It's 4.15 in the afternoon, and he's having himself an early bird special. We love that.

He's stoked. I love that. Then all of a sudden there's a pounding knock at his door and he's not so stoked anymore. Uh-oh. He opens the door to find a young woman in completely torn clothing. Her clothing is covered in mud. She's bloody. Her mouth has dry blood around it.

She's barefoot. And he notices the word boy has been carved into her arm. I would take a second. and then I feel like I might just close that door. You don't know what's going to happen until you're in that situation because that's a lot to take in. I'm trying to put myself in that position and I'm like, I might close that door and be like, I'm going to finish my dinner. You know what? A ring didn't exist back then so you couldn't see who was at the door.

Now you can, so you can just pretend you're home. You can just keep eating your dinner. Yeah, you can just ignore that. Yeah, just be a really bad Samaritan. Like, I really want to help everybody, but like that's a situation. I don't know if I want to get too often. Yeah, I don't. That sounds terrible.

Yeah, it's horrible. So she says she's been attacked, obviously. Obviously. She's just sobbing and she's, like, really not talking. She's mostly just sobbing and just saying how scared she is. Oh, that makes me sad. On like a real note, I would help this girl. No, of course.

I was totally being a dick before. No, I know. So Don obviously calls 911 ASAP and they're like, do you know her name? And he's like, hey, like, what's your name? And she's like, I don't know. I don't know. Like she's so freaked out. She doesn't even know her own name. Oh my God. And she keeps repeating, call Jason Mengle. Call Jason Mengle. Yes. So earlier that day, Jason was surprised at a coffee shop to see his ex-girlfriend, Ezra. They used to hang out at this coffee shop all the time. It's called Racy Delein's coffee lounge. And it's in this like little like, O'Clair's like a little college town. It's like really like hipster and like fun and like I feel like you can picture this coffee shop. Yeah, I definitely can. So he's surprised to see Ezra at this coffee shop for a lot of reasons. For one thing, they had exchanged 600 messages the night before and she had never once mentioned that she was going to be in town. Oh, damn. She had recently moved back home because their relationship ended because of an

affair that she had with a friend of theirs. Oh. So this friend was Alec Woodworth. He worked at the coffee shop. He was also a substitute teacher. And he was like super into philosophy. Like he was really, really into philosophy. Oh, damn.

So a lot had gone down after their relationship fell apart. Ezra actually accused one of Jason's friends of sexually assaulting her. Oh, wow. She broke things off not only. with Jason but also with Alex and she moved back home. Okay. So, um, the sexual assault case was actually dropped because suggestive text messages were found between Ezra and Jason's friend that it was like, they kind of felt like maybe this wasn't

a sexual assault and it was consensual. And also, Alex told police that Ezra expressed to him that what happened between her and Jason's friend was consensual, but that she just regretted it. Oh, messy, messy. Yeah. So already a lot is going down. Yeah. So Jason was surprised when Ezra told him that she was going to go see Alex to show him some of her writings.

So Ezra's like this really artsy girl. She drives a car that has all this artwork of hers that she's done on it. She likes to write. She likes to paint. She takes really cool pictures. Like anything artsy Ezra's into. She sounds rad. She does.

She sounds really cool. So she says that she's. going to go see Alex to show him some of her writing. So obviously she was upset with Alex after he told police that like she wasn't actually sexually assaulted. Yeah. So Jason's kind of like that's weird that you want to go see him. And also, um, she had been telling Jason that they, she wanted to get back together with him. And she was like, everybody's bit, all these men have been manipulating me. Like they're trying to keep us apart. I want to be back with you. Like this is everybody else's fault. I didn't do anything wrong. So he's like, why do you want to...

This is, it's hard to follow too. Like, I'm stressed out just listening to this. I'm like, I hope I'm doing a good job of being like, this is the sitch because it is, it's a lot to follow. No, you are. So, um, Jason, he just didn't trust Ezra. He was like, you know, like, you're not so trustworthy anymore based on everything that's happened. And so she leaves the coffee shop and she's like, well, cool, I'm going to see Alex. Like, see you later. Okay. And he, Jason becomes concerned because when he thinks back on like their exchange, he is like, when I saw her, she seemed like kind of aggravated and unhinged. And also, I was already confused about why she was here and why she was going to see Alex if she was so pissed at him. And he was like,

quote unquote manipulative. And why she hadn't mentioned it in their like discussions why she was there. It's just weird. So he bikes all the way to Alex's house. And he wasn't sure what to do when he got there. So he just started pacing back and forth. outside the house. He's like wicked stressed. He's like a lion. Literally. He's like, I don't know what the fuck to do. So he's pacing outside of the house and then finally he goes in. And he says, he remembers that Alex and Ezra both seemed like they were talking about something really intense. And it seems like when he walked in, they like put their masks on and they were like, nope, everything's good. Like we weren't talking, like we were just having

like a crazy argument or talking about something like crazy. Something shady. So, So then as he's trying to get to the bottom of this, like, what the fuck is going on? The police show up. Oh. Because somebody, a neighbor of Alex's had seen Jason pacing back and forth outside and they're like, who the fuck is this dude? Like, what's going on? Some lion man is just pacing outside of your house. Like, I'm concerned for my neighbor because he's got a lot of visitors that seem a little intense.

There's a lot going on over there. So Jason ends up speaking to one officer and another officer speaks. to Alex and Ezra together. So Alex and Ezra are talking to one guy, one officer, and Jason's separately talking to another. Okay. Jason tells the police officer that he's speaking to, that he's really worried about what's going on between Alex and Ezra. He told them how Ezra's behavior was strange, how he was like, I don't really know what

she's doing here, and I'm just genuinely concerned about the two of them, like, being together right now. Yeah. The other officer who ends up speaking with Alex and Ezra was pretty convinced that Everything was fine. And honestly, there wasn't anything the police could really do. No assault has happened. Like, you can't go based off feeling that something is going to happen. So they end up leaving. And Jason talks to Ezra and Alex for a few more minutes. And he's like, well, there's nothing I can do either. Like, I got to go. So he ends up piecing out. So then Alex and Ezra decide that they're going to go for a drive together.

Okay. So Alex says goodbye. He's. or excuse me, Jason says goodbye to Alex and Ezra and they go on their drive. Okay. Unfortunately, that's the last time that Jason saw Alex alive. Oh. So after Jason left, Ezra and Alex. It's the last time he saw Alex alive. Oh, okay.

So after Jason left, Ezra and Alex go for their drive. And then later that day, it's Ezra who ends up on Don Sibble's doorstep saying that she's been attacked. So she's the girl from the beginning. Oh, that's what I was thinking. I was like, wait a second. Oh, man. Intrigue.

Intrigue. So she says she's been attacked and eventually she ends up at the hospital to be treated for all these crazy stab wounds and the carving in her arm. Oh, shit. Obviously, they're trying to evaluate what the fuck just happened to this girl. So they're like, who attacked you, who attacked you? And she's like, I don't know. I don't know. Like, I can't remember.

And then all of a sudden her memory comes back to her. And she says it was Alex Wardworth who attacked her. she says he took her to a remote and muddy road to attack her. But so then the police are like, okay, where's Alex? And they go looking for Alex and he's nowhere to be found. Oh, no. Yeah. So the detectives go out to Don's house to try to talk to him.

But on the way there, they see like this muddy road and they're like, oh, like that must have been the road that she's talking about because it's not so far. And they like pull over, they check it out and they see these footprints. And remember, she was barefoot when she. showed up. Oh, yeah. So they kind of walk a little ways up the hill and they use the binoculars and they end up seeing Ezra's car and they see a body hanging out of the backseat of the car. Holy shit. So... It's like a horror movie. It's literally terrifying. Um, so they realize there's the body hanging out of half in the car and half out of the car in the backseat and it turns out to be

the body of Alex Woodworth and he's been stabbed 16 times. What? 16. 16. times. What the fuck? So Ezra has a lot to explain about what went down, but she can't, she can't remember anything between, between like, getting attacked and going to, and going to Don's house and ending up in the hospital. Like that's, she only remembers like little tiny spurts, quote unquote. I am so intrigued by this. Eventually her memory comes back to her again, like it did when she was like, oh, it's Alex that attacked me. She says they drove out there, And while they were driving, they were just like talking, shooting the shit. And Alex finds this knife that was in her car, which also, like, that's a little bit weird.

Why do you just have a knife hanging out in your car? I mean. What? I mean, have a knife in your car. That's fine. The next part's really weird. She says that all of a sudden they're just chit chatting. And she says, she says this so casually, like this is what people find themselves doing on road trips, that he just starts carving away at her arm with the knife.

Oh. Yeah. She's like, yeah, he just started carving into my arm. Just a couple things, you know. You know, as friends, pals do on a good road trip on a good afternoon. Yeah, so you play a little I spy. Yep, listen to some good tunes. License plate bingo.

And then you just start carving each other's flesh. It's typical. Typical. So that's, she says he carved the word boy into her arm because during their friendship slash relationship, he found out that she had struggled with gender identity. when she was younger. That's really fucked up. Yeah.

He used to call her... Did he carve a boy into her arm for that? Like, Jesus. Well, and she says throughout the relationship, he used to, like, joke around with her and call her a boy. And she was, like, they used to upset her because... Although she did struggle with who she was when she was younger, like, trying to figure out which gender she identified with, she finally did settle on that she identified as a woman.

Yeah, and that's... So she was like, please don't mind of that. use against somebody. Yeah. So she says that's where that came from. And she says that she told him she didn't identify that way anymore. Like, please stop carving that into my arms. Like, that's weird.

What the fuck? And then somehow they end up in the back seat. And Alex is straddling her. And he's ripping at her clothes with the knife. And she says she's terrified that he's just going to, quote, get what he wants or he's going to kill her. So she says, she grabs the knife from. the jagged end of it. And that's how she gets the cut that's on her hand.

And she just starts stabbing away at him and then she runs. So what the fuck happens? There's a lot of issues with Ezra story based on the evidence. Yeah. One is the carving in her arm. Yeah. So the carving is on her left arm. And so is the wound from grabbing the knife during the attack.

Okay. The investigators do believe that Alex was driving. So if he had carved Ezra's arm, he would have been doing it upside down. And this was like a very, this was very clear lettering. And also you would assume that he, I guess, would be doing it with his right hand upside. It just, it doesn't seem very likely that he's driving and then carving a word upside down into her arm. So the word was like facing into her. Yes.

So, okay, that makes sense. So they were like, that's like, that's a lot to believe that. Yeah, I mean, is it possible? Sure, but is it pretty far out? Yeah. Right. And then, so that's one thing that they're like, that doesn't really make a lot of sense. So, um, they question her a lot about this and eventually she admits that Alex didn't carve that into her arm. She did it herself. What the fuck? The other issue I had brought up is that the wound, um, to her hand from grabbing the knife. So I, we're going to pose a picture of the knife. It's like a, I'm not familiar on what. kind of like different knives are called. But this is a very jagged knife. It's almost like what we use when we have the pumpkin carving, if you picture that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Like a serrated edge. Serrated, super serrated. So had she grabbed this knife in a scuffle, her wound would have gone through multiple layers of her skin. Oh, for sure. This was a ripped apart. Ripped apart, like, like horribly. Like gnarly wound. This was a very superficial wound. Yeah, no. Nope. And it's also, I mean,

you can't really say this now, but then when you start to talk about things later. It is interesting that most of the wounds that Ezra suffered are on the left side of her body, and a lot of them are very superficial. And I'm assuming she's a righty. I was just going to say, and keep in mind that her right hand is her dominant hand. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, seeming a little fishy. So they question her about the, um, the carving in her arm and she admits that she did that herself. So before they get to why the fuck she did that herself. Yeah, because it's like, okay, we'll explain now. they're noticing, like I said, that a lot of the things are on her left side of her body.

So they're like, tell us more about what happened. So she says, everything that happened went down inside the car. But the other problem is most of the blood evidence, like a lot of the blood that was lost in this fucking attack, is outside of the car. I was going to ask that. That doesn't make any sense. Nope, sure doesn't. And this is for me, the smoking gun. the first wound that Alex suffered was a stab wound to the back of his head.

Oh, yeah. I mean, that tells you everything you need to know. Everything you need to know. That's so fucked. So fucked. He also, he didn't have very many defensive wounds at all, which points to the fact that he had been taken by surprise. Yeah, that he was like basically almost incapacitated right off of that.

By being stabbed in the back of the head. Yeah. And that stab wound to the back of the head along with like all this other conflict evidence painted a very different picture about what went down that afternoon. Ezra's story has so many holes. It's like the holes in this, it's more than Swiss cheese. It's like, holy, holy, holy, holy shit, what happened? Like, don't write a screenplay, girl. So why did they end up in such a remote area? Yeah. Why was this knife, by the way, had been taken from her father's home. So why was it in her car all of a sudden? And where's the first stab wound

to Ezra because she doesn't have any stab wounds. She just has all these weird superficial cuts in carvings. Huh. So she claims that they ended up in the backseat and she was so scared she was going to get hurt or killed, but it's like you were never even stabbed. Like that's very strange. Yeah. How did they end up in the back seat and why is the first stab wound to Alex in the back

of his head? Yeah. And then my biggest question is if this, if you were attacked at what point did you carve your own arm and why? Yeah. That's that like I don't understand how that piece fits into this story. And that's like very specific too. Like to carve boy. Right. Into your arm. Like what? And it's like if you were just attacked, wouldn't you just run away as fast as you were? Especially because you don't know if the person who you supposedly have been attacked with, they could still be alive. Yeah, absolutely. Supposedly. And I wonder if Alex was facing out or in the car.

Like how his body was halfway in and halfway out? I'm not totally sure because the picture itself, it's blurred out. They won't release the actual picture. But I think his head was in the car. Because that makes me think that she attacked him outside. And he ran into the car. And then he tried to jump into the car to get away from her. So I'm actually happy you said that because I didn't write it down.

But I watched, there's a good 48 hours episode on this. And that's exactly what the. DA said she that's her theory look at me in the DA the DA the DA look at me I'll bring her up a little bit later too so there's all these questions that we're going to get answers to at Ezra's trial because after Alex's body is found in the car like I said having suffered 16 stab wounds all this evidence leads to something a lot different leads to something a lot different than what the police thought that they were really dealing with in the first place so Ezra is a did and she's tried for first degree intentional homicide.

So the prosecution answers a lot of the questions that we're left with and we're trying to answer right now. And in my mind, their answers make the most sense. Like, this is very cut and dry once they get into it. Yeah. The prosecution argues that Ezra went to Alex's house that day, fully intending to kill him. They argue that she went to his house after taking the knife from her dad's house. she just quote unquote ran into Jason at the coffee shop where she knew he typically hung out

and she tells him that she's going to be with Alex. So that sets up her alibi already. Yeah. Like that's perfect. And Ezra's life was literally falling apart because all she wanted was to get back together with Jason. She was mad because she had an affair with Alex and she wanted to get rid of him. And she was mad because he's the one that dropped these sexual assault charges that, were going to be happening to Jason's friend because Alex came forward and told the truth.

Yep. So that makes sense. So she, this girl's a creative girl. She's somebody who could paint. She could write. She loves attention. So this was perfect. This plan was perfect for her. She paints herself as the victim. She writes herself back into Jason's life. And then she gets all this attention and sympathy for being attacked. Holy shit. So they say that she lured Alex out into this remote area caught him by surprise by stabbing him in the back of the head stabs him 16 times which I'm sorry like that clearly points to a crime of passion yeah because it's like if you really because you listen to the number and you're like holy shit that's a lot but then if you actually take your hand and stab 16 times in the air that's a lot your arm is going to get so tired and it's a lot of times

it's like that's a lot of times to sit there and look at what you're doing and realize what you're doing. And it's like the first one they were able to conclude was to his head. And then he suffered a lot to his torso and his groin. Which I'm that's very, that's very sexual and that's very like

I hate this about you. It's personal. Yeah, that's personal. So um, sorry, I lost my place. So she stabbed him 16 times and district detourne. Why can I talk? District of to-toyne.

District of to-torney. And Andrea Noledlaw points out that Ezra most likely planned, like you were saying, she and I personally think that Ezra planned on driving away, but she changed her plan when she realized that she couldn't pull Alex outside of the car. Yeah. Because I don't think she had obviously accounted for him, like, trying to get in the car and get away from her. No. And she's a tiny girl. Like, I think I'm not exactly how tall she was, but she's like a pretty, like, small, thin girl. Yeah.

And he was like a guy of regular statue. So for her to pull him out would be hard. I think this played right into her plant too of I can walk away barefoot covered in mud and look even more victimized than I would if I drove away. Exactly. But I do think that in the beginning she had the intention of leaving him out there and then this almost worked better for her like you just said. I don't know. It makes sense. But I wonder if he tried to get back in the car but died trying to get back in the car and ended up halfway and then halfway out of the car.

and maybe she had already planned on what? I don't know. It's hard. Well, and that's like a very specific thing that's like hard to tell. Yeah, that's a hard one to figure out if she was planning. Because I feel like it, she gets a lot more sympathy with the walking away and the mud and barefoot. And it's like just like the perfect, like dramatic craziness. She then, the prosecution argues that she then spent hours at the time at the crime scene tearing up her own clothes.

And the other thing is she doesn't, it almost reminds me of the Lulu Lemon murder because it's like she spent so much time making herself look like the victim. But she didn't, all the cuts were so superficial. And a lot of times when somebody is doing something like that, they're like not cutting at their clothes and like they're trying to make it look like they were attacked and their skin was cut through their clothes. But this person is just going for the clothes, not the skin underneath. And it's like they're not sitting there cutting your clothes and not. Right. you. And if I'll post her sweater and her pants and stuff and it's just like these like vertical lines just like up and yeah. It's just it's like very like Freddie Krueber-esque and it doesn't

make any sense. So she then spends time at the crime scene carving her own arm for some reason, which that's very psychological and this is a mini morbid so I didn't look too much into that. So bizarre. Yeah, it's very interesting. And then she. stayed there the whole time and none of Alex's wounds actually would have killed him. None of them would have been fatal. So he could have survived. Like he absolutely had police or first responders gotten there in time. He would have been saved. But he blew it out. Yeah, because Ezra went as far as to take his phone and smash it, making sure that he couldn't call for help. So that's an evil woman. Evil bitch. But listen, she has an answer for all of this. Oh, I'm sure. She's.

she does. If you see this girl on stand, so I got this because people wrote in and suggested it. And I read one person's email and they were like, this girl's like apology and like the whole time she's on stand is probably one of the scariest things I've ever seen in my life. I want to watch it. You got to. I'll send you the link. So now it's the defense's time to state their version of events. First of all, so Jason gets brought up to testify and Ezra like loses her shit. Like she, is like trying to adjust herself to like look like she's like excited to see him she's smirking at him she's absolutely obsessed with him she's like acting like she's so giddy and she obviously knew that he was going to be there to testify so she's dressed in a pink blazer which the DA pointed out that they were trying to make her look like very meek and timid. Oh yeah like the little girl that's not at all she used to dress she also used to come into the throughout the whole entire trial she comes in with like a different hair style every day. Oh, really?

Like her hair is like perfectly done. One day, her hair's curly and she has bangs. So it's like one day it's all down and like perfectly like quaffed. The next day it's in a ponytail. Like it's very, very planned. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And also this next piece is planned.

So she, they ask Jason to identify her and he points at her and she's wearing the pink blazer. So they're like, can you use an object to identify her? And he's like, oh, right there in the pink blazer. So then she adjust the pink blazer to show that she's wearing a green sweater. And you find out in the 48 hours that Jason had given her that green sweater while she was in the hospital after the quote unquote attack. I am shooketh. So it's like she's like not, I don't think she's like taunting him.

I think in her mind like they're supposed to be together. And she's like, look how much I love you. But for him, like, it's a huge mind fuck. I'm literally Googling it right now and I'm seeing these pictures and I am dead. It's scary as shit. It's so scary. This girl is bonkers. Bongers.

You have to watch the whole episode of the 48 hours because I was reeling the entire time. Oh, I got to. So, wow. So then they put Ezra on the stand. And in my notes, I go, big mistake, huge. they should not have fucking put her on the stand. Because for one thing, when they ask her to spell her name, she is so fucking excited to spell her own name.

And she goes into this tale of, because her real name is not Ezra. She was named Monica at her. I had a feeling Ezra was not her real name. When I was looking at her, I was like, so this is a girl who really, really wants to be like the hipster princess. Oh, 100%. She definitely gave herself the name Ezra. And throughout the documentary,

they like show all these like different pictures from her Instagram and she's like really trying hard to be like hipster girl. Oh yeah. For sure. Nobody gets me. Lottie Dada. Yep. We've all been there. I used to try to be like that too.

Didn't work up. Never named myself Ezra though. So she goes into this story about how she changes her name from Monica to Ezra McCandless because she felt that it fit much better. And I think McHandless is like, I think he might be like a song. I think his name is like John McCandless. And he's like a free spirit and like all this stuff. Oh, okay. She was like, I'm a free spirit.

I'm a free spirit. So she's stoked to talk about her name. And then she says that her and Alex were driving and that her car got stuck in the mud. And that's when this like whole anxiety thing started because like her car was stuck in the mud and she was so upset. And she couldn't breathe because she was so anxious because she's a frail, frail, frail gal. She is apparently. So she then changes her story on the stand about grabbing the knife, which I think her lawyer probably told her to do because she was like, yeah, it's like really clear that you

didn't grab that knife because a lot more would have happened. She's like, that story is really plainly bullshit. So you might want to change that. So this time on the stand, she doesn't say that she grabbed the knife. She says that they're already in the backseat and she's like afraid for her life and that she knees Alex in the groin, which causes this. knife to fall and then she cuts her hand picking the knife back up. So it's like not as aggressive. But it still doesn't make any fucking sense. Yeah, still doesn't. Nope, not at all. So then they end up

outside of the car. So she, the first, when she was first telling investigators what happened, they were never outside of the car. Everything went down inside. Yeah. So now she has to account for all the blood outside of the car. Of course. So she says, they're outside of the car and she stabs him one more time, one more final time in the side before running away with his phone so that she can call for help because she didn't have a cell phone of her own because she was such a spirit. She's a hipster goddess. She doesn't need modern technology. Who cares? I mean, but I'm really confused about how she had an Instagram though. I don't really understand how that worked. So. So that's why she took his phone, she says. And she says that it ends up smashed because when she was running away, she slips and falls

because she's so distraught. She's so upset. She, like, hurts her arm and then the phone gets smashed. So that's how she says it got smashed. This bitch has an answer for everything. Bullshit. And then my main fucking question, she tries to answer. They're like, so why did you?

Because she sits there and says she carved her own arm. Like, she finally admits that in the investigation. So they have to explain that. They don't really explain it. Her lawyer asks her, like, okay, so how did boy end up carved in your arm? Like, why did you do that, dear? herself. And she says that it was a reaction to everything that had just happened. I'm going to pause and let that sink in.

You were just attacked. No? And then you said, you're so scared because you were running away. Like, you're so frantically running away that you end up smashing the phone that you were going to use to call for help. So when did you then pause and carve boy into your arm? What? She didn't. That is not what happened at all. Right. She did that after she was already sure that Alex was dead.

And then she did that to make it look like he was like an abusive, horrible person. The fact that she was like, that was my reaction. It's like... To everything. I had just gone through so much. Oh, honey, no. Like, that's not a reaction. That's not...

Nope. That's not a reaction. So that only leads to more questions, like I said. Yeah. If you were so busy running away, then where did you get the time to do that? But that's all she gives you. She doesn't really have much else to say because there really isn't a lot of ways that you could come up with to defend that, probably. I would be like, I have two questions for you. How dare you? And who do you think you are? Those are my final questions. So, you know how she like ended up with all this memory loss? She didn't know what her fucking name was and all this other bullshit. So she says after the attack, she experienced this memory loss. And it felt like she was in a tunnel. So she doesn't have answers for certain questions because this- How convenient?

Very convenient memory loss. Mm-hmm. She says she doesn't know what happened between killing Alex and the time that she ends up at Don's home. But she does answer questions for some things that happened in between them. But they're like, when they're like, one about this, she's like, oh, no, I can't remember. I don't remember. Yeah.

It's like, cool, go fuck yourself, Monica. Cool, cool, cool. Um, so the defense brings in Harvard, a Harvard psychologist who actually testifies that trauma can cause memory loss, which like, that's true. Of course it can. But not the case here. This was not the case here. So then that's basically the end of the defenses argument.

They're like, you know, that's what happened. Like self-defense. Like they end their whole defense fucking thing on self-defense. Like, they're still saying she was attacked and she had to do, she had to stab somebody 16 times to get away. Yeah, obviously. Sorry, I don't buy that. No.

So I think Ezra was basically a narcissist and I really think that she believed that she could say she was attacked. I really think she thought she was going to get away with the claim of self-defense. And I think she at the end of this thought that her and Jason were going to get back together and live this happy little life. Oh, 100%. That was her goal. And like I said, like she was showing, I think she was showing up to trial in these like cute little outfits and these cute hairstyles to one be like, I'm so put together like I could never do this. And two, to impress Jason.

She knows Jason is there. Exactly. That was definitely like, that's like the ex-girlfriend. You always are, you always want to look good in front of your ex. Mm-hmm. Exactly. You want to be like, look what you'll miss in. And that was what she was doing.

And he's like, I'm all set because you're a psycho murderer. Because you're a fucking murderer. Because I'm really afraid of you. So it takes the jury three hours to come back with a verdict because, obviously. Because, you know. because guilty. And so guilty of intentional homicide is exactly what Ezra is, and that's exactly what the jury decides. Guilty as charged.

Guilty. Before her sentencing, Ezra reads her apology to Alex's family. I want to climb through the fucking laptop screen and strangle this girl when she does this. Oh, this is going to be bad. Quote, I want to say, and she's fake crying. No tears are coming out. Of course. At all.

The best kind of crying. Love that. She says, I want to say how sorry I am that they have lost their son. But sorry doesn't cut it in my mind. That word is not enough to show. Or, nope, that word is not enough and never will be enough for this loss. And then she makes it about herself. I love how she calls it a loss and says that you lost your son.

Not, I took him from you. Exactly. Like, what a piece of shit. So that's the first shit shit in this. And then the second shit shit is, she goes, I loved Alex very much. And I also feel a great loss. Oh. I'm sure you do, girlfriend.

Well, maybe you could have changed the events then and not killed our fucking son. Thank you. And she goes, and I am so sorry. So like, cool that you may thought about yourself. You literally like said sorry to them. And then you were like, but me too also. But like I'm hurting too. So sorry.

We're all hurting together. And his father was probably like, I want to kill this kid. Oh, yeah. I'd be like I'm going to murder her. Oh, my God. So the judge told her before he read her sentence that he didn't think her apology was sincere at all. And then he sentenced her to life in prison. Yeah.

Bye, Ezra. So she'll have to serve at least 50 years before she's eligible for parole. Bye, Bish. Bye. And Alex's father says, this is the most noble thing ever because I give him so much credit. He says he forgives Ezra because hate is like drinking poison and expecting the other person to. die. You know, I've heard that, uh, that, like, phrase before. And it is a really great phrase. It's true. I mean, it is. And it really does describe it really well. But I think it takes a really

big person to be able to do that. So I give him a lot of credit. Oh, I give him more credit than I can even express. Because I don't know if I could get there. No fucking way. And then Jason says that he thinks about Alex and Ezra all the time and that he wishes he could go back in time. And he wishes he could go back in time and somehow fix this or poor jason he probably feels like he was right there right before it's really sad and he when him and ezra were together he thought that they were going to get married like they referred to each other as like husband and in life that's crazy and i love that she when she was at that um don was at the guy she went to his house yep when she was like called jose jason it's like it's so psychotic you can hear it on the nine one one one

call. Like, that's what happened. So this was clearly all to get Jason back. Oh, my God. That is some serious pining. And it's like narcissistic as shit. It's like, you really, narcissistic, delusional. Like, you thought that all was going to work. When you think that you can murder a person and get somebody back in your life, you are so far gone into the delusion pool. It's real scary. So that is the case of Ezra McAndalus, aka Monica. I never heard of that. So thank you for doing that. And thank you to our listeners for suggesting it.

I was going to say thank you to our listeners because I had never heard of it. And I was just like flicking through the suggestions because I like to do that for many more of it. Me too. And I was like, whoa, got to do this one. I love that our listeners give us suggestions because there have been so many things that I like, I'll flick through them and I'll pick one and I'll just kind of start looking it up. And I'm like, what the fuck I've never heard of this? Like, yeah. There's so many.

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But not so weird that you change your own name and you do some crazy shit and you try to get these people to fall in love with you and then they don't and you end up in jail. And you carve a random word into your arm for no reason at all. I can't explain it. And you say somebody else did it, which they didn't. Yeah. And then he admit that you did it. You don't have any reason for it. It was a reaction. Bye. Bye.