Morbid - Listener Tales 76

Episode Date: July 27, 2023

It’s Listener tales 76 and guess what!?! It’s brought to you by you, for you, from you, and ALL ABOUT YOU! This installment is all about your spooky haunted demon homes. We’ve got ghosts on ghosts up in here. We don’t know which is the scariest but we do know we would like to never live in these homes. Like…. Ever. If you’ve got a listener tale please send it on over to [e-mail] with “Listener Tales” somewhere in the subject line :) Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. And do you know that I almost said I was Elena? And I know who I am. I do? I know exactly who this bitch is. And that bitch, still that bitch.

Mini, mini, many, many, many, morbid. Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. We might be a little punchy. It's been a couple weeks, guys. Sure, he has. I mean, the whole world is going, I mean, hats off to all of you. And especially, let me, Elena, take a giant 10-gallon hat off for all the teachers out there. Oh, same.

Every single one of you, every single one of you deserves like a billion-dollar raise. And I hope that all the parents that are dealing with homeschooling their children, first of all, like, elbow bumps to all of you. Yeah. We're all in this together. Yep. it's hard. It is. Being a teacher is not an innate ability that we all have. I wanted to be a teacher. Like, I, when I started college before I dropped out, I was due in early childhood education. And let me tell you, Ash should have been a teacher because she's great at it. Thank you very much.

But she is. I love your children and they're awesome. But teaching is hard. It's hard. So I just wanted to quickly say, like, teachers are the best. If you know a teacher, just, you know, give them a small. smile. Good morning to teachers and teachers only. Good morning to all of you. And that's why we're a little late with these episodes the last couple of weeks. We're just trying to like transition into this. Yeah, because, you know, preschool was a thing that was supposed to be giving me more time to do these things. And now COVID has decided that it's going to give me less time. I think we talked about it too much pre-pandemic. Sure did. We would be sitting together planning out episodes and we'd be like, oh my God, like next year is going to be so great. They're there for like a few days. a week. It was going to be way more hours than it was the first year of pre-K or preschool.

We're going to get three days instead of two. It was going to be great. And then obviously, you know, that changed with the rest of the world. So I just want to let you know that's why we've been a little off on the schedule. We want to get back on track with it and we will. So just hang tight. I know a lot of you were like, don't worry about it. And we appreciate that. So thank you for hanging in there and like letting us figure out how to do all the things. You guys are the chesticles. And you guys are a huge priority. The show is a huge priority. It's just, you know, we just got to figure out all the moving parts that are happening right now. You guys are like my top two priorities. Elena's children and the weirdest. There you go. And Annie fits somewhere in there. She's in there.

And he's like, cool. But yeah, so I just wanted to like point that out that that's why we've been a little willy-nilly with these. Yeah. But you get an episode on Friday and then you get an episode Saturday this week. And then next week, we are, we are going to try to get back on that. schedule. We're thinking Thursday Saturday is going to be easiest for us to maintain because we also have, you know, crime countdown. Yeah, a few other things that we're just trying to make sure we have a day for everything. So Thursday, Saturday is our goal. We are going to try to do that. So again, thank you guys so much for hanging in there. We really do appreciate your patience. You're awesome. Oh my God. I was going to say TYSM. And then I was like thinking of all the other, like, how to

abbreviate all the other things you said. And you were like, thank you guys so much for being there. You're awesome. We really appreciate you. And I was like, well, never mind. I'm sorry. I over saturated it. I just got to TYSM. That's all. It's fine. Well, this is like kind of a mini, even though we don't do those anymore, but we still leave the music in. So let's just get into it. Enjoy the music. I would like to start this off by giving you a very large trigger warning. Yeah. If necrophilia is not something that you'd like to listen to today. If that bums you out. Which it bums many out. It bums me out. Before I was a true crime, uh, host I wouldn't listen to episodes like that.

Oh, really? Now it's my job. But it's interesting. Yeah, it's a lot to swallow. Sure is. And choice of words. Yeah, that was actually a horrible choice of words. Anyways.

So yeah, if that's not something that you're into, like maybe skip this one and come back later. We'll understand. And just trigger warning in general for like the horribleness of this. Yeah, this is a rough case, guys. But it's one that connects to something else that I think is pretty interesting. Yes, exactly. And you know what?

Everybody's story deserves to be told. Exactly. Without further ado, on July 22nd, 1995, Elise Marie Poller was heading to bed. Never head to bed. No. It's not. Don't go to bed. It usually doesn't end well. No, she had hung up with her family that night. They had all watched TV together. They like had a pretty good night. And then she was hitting the hay and she yelled out to them, I love you. I'm going to bed. Oh. And she's just going to bed. Well, as far as her parents knew, she went to sleep. They didn't know that right after yelling good night to them, she turned into her room and packed her bed full of pillows. No.

And then covered those pillows up to make it look like she really was in that bed before she snuck out of her French doors that were in her room for the very last time. Okay. Join me, parents, and all our blood pressure is simultaneously rising. I remember it's so funny. I remember being a teenager and watching movies and being like, I want French doors in my room. And now I understand why my parents said, no. No way.

My grandparents. So Elise was 15. like I said, and she had recently hit that kind of like rebellious stage that I personally hit when I was 15. Some of us reach. Probably a little bit before that. Yeah, a little bit before. I feel like a lot of times like 15 is kind of the age where this kind of phase starts to

settle in. Yeah, you're right before the sweet 16. Yeah. You're starting to your crystal wild and light. There you go. So she started smoking weed and she tried alcohol and she was sneaking out more and more and and her parents were really worried. And then they got even more worried when they got a call for.

from her school one day, and the school explained that she was noticeably under some kind of influence. Oh, no. And she was being suspended. So I guess the story was that, like, she smoked weed and, like, drank some alcohol that day before school and then, like, went to school. I know. I really remember kids doing that, though. It's a busy morning. Yeah. It really is. You know, you just never know what the day will bring. I, I microwave my coffee, like 10 times in the morning because I can't even manage to drink that whole thing. Yeah. I don't know how I survived being like a child. I never drank before school, but I definitely smoked before school a lot. Wow. Yeah. That's impressive. Thanks. Her parents, Dave and Lisa Ann, I heard in some like sources

Lisa Ann, but the way it's spelled, I'm pretty sure it's Lisa Ann. Oh, okay. Lizan. Lizan. Her mom. They immediately put her, these sound like gray parents, because this is what I'm going to do if my kids do the shit I did. Oh, what? They put her in a substance abuse program right away. Good. And they tried to talk to her about what was going on. But it just, she was telling them like, no, like, nothing's happening. Like, I'm fine. And that's when it's so hard when people are like, communication is key. And it's like, yes, but what if they won't communicate with you?

Right. That must be so hard. To be honest, it didn't really seem like much was going on. Like, she was a really good soccer player. She was still playing soccer at school. She did really well in school. Her two best friends were like good girls. Like, they weren't known to party or anything like that.

Like she was like the wild child of the three of them. So they were like, what is going on? Like why? And even her friends were worried about the things that she was starting to get into. Wow. So I think she just was thinking it was boring to be good. She made a choice, you know? So the next morning, Dave and Lisa and realized that Elise was not in her bed and they obviously freaked the fuck out.

Because she had snuck out before and they had caught her, but she always came back. Like she would have never been gone all night into the morning. No. So they went to the police and they explained what was going on, how worried they were the whole deal. And the police were obviously concerned because this is a 15 year old girl. But they definitely ended up treating like this, treating this case like more of a runaway situation. I was just going to say that I can see why they immediately went to that. But she's 15. Right. Exactly. And I got to think of this. You said exactly what I was going to say because I understand why they would think that. Because she is starting to do all this crazy stuff. So they're like, she's 15. Right. I'm like, I got to think of this. You got to think of this. You got to think of this. You got to think of. You got to think of. You got to think of. You got to think of. You got to think of. You got to do. You got like, well, you don't, like, she's doing all this crazy stuff. So who's to say that she wouldn't run away? Yeah, exactly. And you're starting, now that the parents were starting to, you know, actually give consequences and start, like, putting her in substance abuse and like pushing back on these bad things, that would be the time where she'd be like, fuck it, I'm going to run away. Exactly. So, right. I can kind of see it. But I mean, her family, like, they were like,

maybe that's the case, but they didn't really think so. They were like, no, something sinister has happened here. I feel like you know your kid. Well, and when, especially I think, obviously dads too, but I think especially moms have that gut feeling when something is wrong. Yeah. And you know what? I think dads get it too. I do too, yeah. I'll bite my hat on that one. I'll bite my hat. Dad's get it too. Mamas and

dadas, no. Yeah, and especially if you're close with your kid, like they seemed like they had a good family dynamic. It feels like if you're close with your kid, you know your kid. Right. And there was the other thing that they were kind of pointing towards was that there was a lot of exciting things going on in Elisa's life. Like

I said, she was playing soccer. She had friends at school, but also they were planning to move to a new town, and Elise was particularly really excited because she was sick of, they lived in a Royal Grande. Oh, okay. Did they say that right? Ronde, yeah. Grandi, okay. Like a Grande for Appuccino. Exactly. So they were moving because I think they were moving for like a couple different reasons, but one of the big reasons was like, they were like, let's get her in a different school system. Yeah, let's try this somewhere else. Right. Let's give this another go. And she was excited. She was like getting bored of where she lived, and she was like, cool, like, let's do it. And she was pretty social and like a free spirit. So she wasn't worried about

moving and making new friends or anything like that. Yeah, it sounds like that wasn't a problem for her. No. And she was also the oldest of four kids. And she was really close with her siblings. So they were like, she wouldn't have ran away from and left her siblings and like not told to them or something like that. And even though she did think that her parents were overreacting to her recent extracurricular activities, she again was close with her parents too and didn't really have a reason to run away. Yeah. So, of course, a missing 15-year-old girl from California had everybody talking. Of course. And like coming up with different theories and yada, yada, yada, and soon all these tips started to fly in. And a lot of people were calling, like specifically giving this tip,

that they saw Elise in South San Luis Abisbo. Did I say that right? Yeah, I think you said that right. Cool. Sounds good to me. Everybody was saying that they saw her. We're from Massachusetts. Yeah. It's hard. Everything is hard. You guys got crazy names for you. towns. So do we. Spell Worcester. Exactly. We all got crazy names. Yeah, exactly. So everyone was saying that they saw her in San Luis Obisbo and searches, they would do searches out there and nothing would turn up. Like, they were like, if she's here, she's doing a damn good job of hiding.

Yeah. So that like nothing was going on. But the sad thing is that it was giving the family a ton of hope that she really was still out there. And they were like, okay, so maybe she did run away. Like people are seeing her. All these people are calling saying they saw her. And it's like, like, which is she. because all those people that called and said they saw her did not actually see her. And I'm sure maybe it was a mistake of like a look alike. But it's also like maybe be sure.

Maybe. Like maybe just if you're going to call in a tip to the police, maybe be sure. Take a beat. Yeah. Definitely. Maybe just go, was that someone or was it just a girl with blonde hair? Like maybe think about that. Cross your teas and dot your eyes.

Yeah, really cross those teas. Yeah. Like maybe engrave them into a stone. Carve them to a tree. It's really there. I know. And this is sad. Her grandmother, who she was named after.

So grandma Elise sent out a plea directly to granddaughter Elise and said, please come home. Like, we can figure everything out while we figure things out, like, about why you left and like why this happened. Like, you can stay with me until everything's figured out. Like, just come home. Oh, the like pain. So, so sad. Like enveloped my soul for them.

I know. That's just so. Oh. So weeks. months went by and there was absolutely no sign of Elise other than these stupid tips. So then, almost nine months later. Nine months of that. Nine months, this teenager walks into the police station.

His name's Royce Casey, and he confesses to Elise's murder. Damn. Just walks in the fucking police. Nine months later? Nine months later. Wow. Walk straight into the police station and tells them everything that had happened exactly where she was.

he ended up eventually leading them to her body, and he told them all about the other two teens that he committed this horrific crime with. What kind of like grand spirit came to him and was like, you better fess up, motherfucker? He found religion. Yeah, I was going to say something. He found something. He found religion and he got real scared. Damn. And we're going to get into why he was so fucking scared. Damn. So these two other teens that he murdered Elise with were Jacob Delashmutt, I think, is how you say it, and Joseph Fiorella. He's a dick, so it doesn't matter what his last name is. All three of them are dicks.

The last name is Joseph Dickhead? Yes. De Dick Mutt. De Dick Muck. There you go. So the three of them were known in the area as like, just like dirt. Dicks. And like burnouts, basically.

Like I always think of mean girls when I say that. Yeah. She goes through like the lunch tables. They would be at the burnouts table. Which you would think like the burnouts. They're usually just like very chill and nice. Well, they were a little more than burnouts. These three.

I was going to say. these three must have been. They were also like on meth. So they're not just like stoner's like. No, no, no. They're, they bring stoner to a different level. Yeah, they really. I'm going to tell you all about it.

They were professional. Professionals. They had business cards. They did actually. A different kind of business card. Oh, shit. So they had stopped going to school a long time ago. So they actually weren't sitting at any lunch table, to be honest.

And they regularly did drugs, like speed. Oh. Acid. Very young. Acid. Very young. Yeah. Meth. And even enjoyed the occasional sniff of glue. Oh. Just the occasional sniff. I need to know how people. If you've ever sniffed glue, I need to know like why. How? How? What happens? Like, I feel like my eyes and head hurt. Just thinking about it. I want to know if you whip out the elmer's glue, if you take off the cap and like you just sit there and sniff it. Is that what sniffing glue is? Or do you like heat it up? Or is that just code for something out? Is sniffing glue? Like, do you heat it up and get the fumes that way? Because I feel like sniffing glue, but it's like, like, kindergarteners would be fucked up constantly. Like, we might want to go check on the girls if they're doing it craft.

I was going to say this, like, you know. There's a whole class of pre-K kids that are just like. Are like the girl-rashing out over here. And like Billy Madison, when the teacher's just like rubbing the glue on herself, like, is she sniffing glue? Well, and all of us dipped our fingers in Elmer's glue. and then let it dry. Motherfucker, I'm still doing that. So that you can peel it off and feel that sensation that you will never feel for anything else in your life.

People on TikTok are doing that to their faces. I mean, okay. And I kind of want to do it too. I mean, get it, I guess. But like, that seems dangerous if you're thinking of glue that way. But I have to imagine in order to break down all the things you need to break down to get the fumes you would need for this, you would have to heat it up. You know how, like, recently you started having to show your ID if you got, like, NyQuil or something. That happened like in recent years.

Yeah. What if you had to start showing your ID to get Elmer's clue? You're like, I have a school project and I'm 16. I'm not trying to slow this. You might heat it up. Well, let us know. But let us know because we really don't know. No, and I'm genuinely curious.

And it's honestly not something I feel like I have time to look up because it's just insignificant. I thought you were going to say it's honestly like not something that like I'm at this point in my life going to try. No, it's not. But I honestly, I'm not going to look it up. No. So if somebody could just,

tell me that would be great. Like, I'll look up so much other things, but I'm not looking up how you sniff glue. So much on that. So many other things. Not that. So much. I have a lot of fucked up shit on my Google search as is. I don't need to add that.

I already have the FBI probably like sitting there watching my shit already. I don't need to add. I don't need to be stopped at Glarget. At Target next time I want to do a craft with glue. I don't need to add how to huff glue. So they just get back into it in case you forgot. because sometimes people forget when we digress. Yes.

They did drugs like speed, acid meth, occasionally sniff and glue, and they also smoked weed, which it's like, why don't you just do that? It's fun enough as is. And they drank a ton. Okay. So the brain is depleting.

Yeah, there's... Oh, and I also think they did Coke, which like holes in the brain. Wow. There's precious few neurons up in there. It's a neuron graveyard. RIP. Wow.

And they were also known to hang out at this old drainage pipe. called the pipe of death. That sounds awesome. And it's actually really sad because it was called the pipe of death because a kid had actually died there earlier. He like, I think he fell to his death. What the fuck?

And they like to hang out there because... Everything about this is just horrible. Yeah. Now, are you ready for this? No. So Joe Fiorella was the youngest one in the group at 14 years old. Oh, come on. He was 14 at the time that Elise disappeared.

You're a straight up. Jacob didush nut. was 15. Children. And Royce Casey, the one who turned himself in, at the time that this happened, was 16 years old. Children. Like, what the fuck? You're all like freshman to juniors in high school. That's crazy. If you were going to high school.

And they're not a shit that they were doing? Yeah. That you add on top of it murder. Well, and their frontal lobes probably just never fucking fused. Oh, their frontal lobes pieced out a long time ago. They dipped. Because your frontal lobe is not even developed until you're 25. Their frontal lobe just like, imbursed. It just like concave in on itself.

It may have. I'm not doing this. So it's nuts to me. So like I said, Joe Fiorella is the youngest in the group at 14 and he's the ringleader. Oh, wow. Now, all of them had recently become interested in Satanism. And I just want to say before I get into any of this that this is like whatever they did to like worship Satan. Yeah, like their like bastardized version of what they saw as a type of religion.

We have talked about it before. but just in case you're new here, Satanism sounds cool as hell otherwise. The real version of it. Like the real version of it. Where they don't actually worship Satan. Yes. But I don't want to like offend any actual like people. Which I think people listening, if you've listened to us before, you know how we have, we have distinguished between people's perceptions of it and how some people take it to a dark place and the real what it actually is.

But I just want to say that. Yeah. So they had recently become interested in Satanism and they were all members of the church. of Satan, like, according to themselves. Okay. In fact, you... Card carrying members. Well, you would...

Yes, you had talked about... It's really funny. I do it. That's my next sentence. They had all talked... I didn't write card carrying members. But they had all ordered cards on the internet for a hundred bucks a piece to prove their allegiance.

Wow, sir. All right. Because I don't know if that's like what you do, but that's what they're done. I'm not sure. If questions, for some reason, they could whip it out and be like, I hail Satan. Yeah, it's like, excuse me, I am a member of the Church of Satan. Yes. And what I did write...

was weird flex, but okay. Very weird flex. I think that's probably in all of my scripts at some point. Just weird flex, but okay. Because that's kind of like that just, that honestly should be like one of the mottos of this podcast is like all these cases are usually at one point or another. A weird flex, but okay. But okay. Or sometimes weird flex, not okay. Not okay. There was also another site that they like to go to called meldica, I think is how you say it. Meldica? Yeah, maldicta. That's probably wrong. That's right. too much emphasis on the dick. But anyways, they ordered a knife there that they would decide to commit the perfect sacrifice of a virgin with. Oh, that's, yeah, okay. That's what I order knives for.

That's why I got my fucking quezon art set. I ordered them to make better mince when I cut garlic or onion, but do you? Or the basil? Or the basil? The beazzle. But you do you? I'm like nervously giggling because this case is a very uncomfortable case. So we're just making jokes to make ourselves not to die. Don't have to die. I hate every part of this. Yeah, it's terrible. So the sacrifice of a virgin was something that all three of them had been obsessed lately with talking about. And they would talk about it so often, like it had already happened that like people around them started to be like, I think they like killed a virgin. Did they really kill a virgin? Like it was like talk in the town, but everybody was like, they didn't actually kill a virgin and they hadn't. Yeah.

their children. But Joe was really obsessed with the idea, like a lot more so than anybody else, it seems. I also wonder if they were virgins themselves and if one of them suggested, like, can't we just kill one of you two? Like, if I was the living leader, I'd be like, let's just kill one of you two. Well, so I have that question later. Okay, good. I'm glad. It comes back in a great way. Oh, good. Yeah. I love this. So Joe was obsessed with it. And I'm assuming he was a virgin because, like, he looks like a little shit. And he was 14. So I don't know. Whatever. He started reading a lot of Alistair Crowley books. Oh, okay. You know, that guy. This is very cliche all of this. Yes. I was thinking of, I was actually thinking of Damian Eccles because he was interested in like reading all of the different

things. Yeah, exactly. And he, this is when I stopped thinking about Damian Eccles because I know this didn't happen. But he, Joe did this ritual all the time. And I think it's from one of Alistair Crowley's books apparently where you catch a frog and you crucify it like Jesus was crucified to the cross. Oh. Like you crucify the frog like that. And then you cook it and you eat it. Oh. Yes. Okay.

And then after you eat it, you're supposed to feel the effects of the great spiritual power that it leaves coursing through your blood and veins and everywhere. From the frog. Yeah. It's, I mean, frog legs are a delicacy. I don't really know why it doesn't make sense to you. Yeah, I know. I'm very, I'm just.

That's not even a weird flag. I'm not of that level, I suppose. No, I'm definitely not of that caliber. So he was doing this a ton. Like he was frog catching left and right, crucifying, cooking, and eating. And I couldn't find anything really about where their parents were. Because that's, yeah, that's, I was like, so wait. First of all, where is he crucifying these frogs?

Like these several frogs. Does he have many crosses on which to crucify tiny frogs? I don't know. And then where is he cooking them? Is he cooking them on a little stove that he's made outside or on a fire? I just don't know. And also, does he have a meat thermometer? because I feel like there's a lot of, you know...

Maybe he just charred them. I feel like it'd be really heavy metal of him to do that. For food poisoning here. And then you're just throwing up the great spirit. I think that when you decide to eat a frog, I think that you just like cross off the part where you're worried about getting poisoned. But if you have, you're supposed to be, you know, absorbing the great spirit. If you're vomiting up the great spirit, maybe that's why he eats so many of them.

Yeah, maybe he was just trying, but it's like just, he could have got a meat thermometer. Well, and maybe that's why he decided. decided that he wanted more power, and that's one of the reasons that he decided to sacrifice an actual virgin. Big jump. I don't know. Big jump. Like I said, he wanted more power.

And actually, one of the reasons that he wanted more power was because it was going to make their band a lot better. Yeah. Yeah, I said they're banned. Yeah, I see that. Yeah. Uh-huh. I can see those threads connecting.

I see it. Of course. Yeah. If the power is coursing through you, your band's going to get better. More, you know, wadage. for your amps. I get it. Power. I think they thought so.

I get it. And I meant to tell you, this case is actually like what Jennifer's body was like loosely inspired by. That's one of my, like, that's a crazy, crazy thing about this case. I had no idea. Yeah. I did not, I had read briefly that Jennifer's body was based off of some case. Here it is. But I always thought it was based off of, you know, a murder, but like not the, not actually a band

looking for more power by sacrificing a. sacrificing a virgin. Yeah, not the motive. I didn't think the motive was there. I thought that was somebody, a writer's brain. It was not. It was not. It was not. It was a preteen's brain. So that's why they wanted to get the power to make the band better. So the three of them, and actually this other kid, Travis Williams, they were all in a, and he was like into all the stuff they were doing. They were in a band together called hatred. Oh my God. Because they hated everyone except Satan. We are hatred. And this is hatred. Oh.

sickness. Oh my God, that actually really hurt. Ow. Fuck. I just like, actually, I taste blood. No, I don't. I don't. I'm kidding. I am averaging. It's, uh, so their music that they were doing was modeled after Slayer. Oh, okay. And if you're, like, if you don't know what that is, it's an American heavy metal band and they have some wild lyrics. Which most, like, heavy metal bands do. Yeah. That's just like part of metal. I mean, look at, we talked about the Smiths a few weeks ago. They literally wrote a song about, like, the death of children. And I mean, they're not metal, but like, you know, but I'm saying like, that happens with music. Yeah. It's like, I always hate when it's like, which I'm sure you'll

talk about. Yeah, we'll get into it. So Joe kept telling them all that if they sacrificed a real virgin instead of all these frogs, that they would become unstoppable and get hella famous because especially their guitar playing was going to get so much better. We all know how, you know, frogs and guitar playing, just they go hand in hand. Well, no, they don't. That's why they needed to do the real virgin. Oh, I forgot. You need the virgin. Yes. I forgot about that. Because the frogs were only going to do so much for the guitar playing. So it sounds like the frogs were just going to add to maybe like the wattage of their amps a little bit. Yes. But the virgin was really. They thought that they were, it was going to bring them to like levels of actual fame. Yeah, virgins are known for their

guitar playing. Yes. I suppose. Yeah. So this is what they had to do. They had to find the perfect virgin with blonde hair and blue eyes. I'm good. I'm good too. You are you on a blue eyes. I have brown eyes. And apparently that was preferable, like the blonde hair, blue eyes thing. And Joe already had a perfect candidate in mind. He was like obsessed with Elise, like obsessed. And she would be, quote, he said, the ultimate sin against God. Oh. And get them their quote, ticket to hell. Hate all of those. Because they want to go to hell. Of course they do. They need to meet. How very metal. Yeah. Like that's where they're going to perform. So Jacob didushnet. That's his new name. Didush not actually knew Elise from the substance abuse class.

He had to go to the same one. And they met there. And they like, I don't know if they talked there or if they just like became acquainted. But they also like saw each other at school when didush not to go. And I also read in some sources, but not all that they rode the school bus together. Oh, okay. But I know that they weren't really going to school like Jacob and his crew. So I don't know.

Like so like I said, they weren't friends, but they knew of each other and they had talked on a couple occasions. And like obviously that was going to have to change. They were going to have to talk if they were going to get more acquainted. So Jacob knew, obviously, after attending these substance abuse classes, that Elise liked to smoke weed. Okay. He at least knew that about her. Yeah. And I guess she had somewhat of a reputation for hanging out with older guys who would, like, smoke her up for free.

Which like, I feel like most 15-year-olds who are rebellious also have that reputation. Same. So that's what he told Joe. I don't know anything about that. So that's what he told. Joe. He was like, I can figure out how to get her with us. And next to Satanism, Slare and insane guitar powers, Elise became his newest obsession. Oh, no. Joe's newest obsession. And you would think that they're doing this whole like virgin thing and they need the perfect virgin and blonde hair and blue eyes.

And it's like, you'd think she wouldn't be the perfect because she's like naughty. Literally. I was straightening my hair this morning and I was thinking that. And I was like, she's into like some of the stuff that you guys are into, which is like bad, quote-unquote. And she's like, you know, yeah, bad. And it's like, wouldn't you get like a very pure version? Like somebody who's like a church going girl. Yeah, like a goody, a goody two shoes. Right. Exactly. That's what I would think. I mean, preferably don't get anybody, but I'm just saying they seem to be not really adhering to their own shit. And I have my thoughts as to why they picked her. And I think most people do. Yeah. So like I said, they had to become more friendly with her. So they started talking to her more and

more and they offered her some pot. And she accepted and she went to smoke with them at the pipe of death. At the pipe of death. So she started hanging out there with them, I guess, like, every now and then. And when they weren't around her, they plotted and planned ways to kill her and sacrifice her body to the devil. Wow. So they would hang out with her.

And then they'd get finished hanging out with her, like, whatever, leave. And then they would go talk about, like, how they were going to kill her. Like, these kids were fucked up. The fact that they were, like, bonding with someone. Yeah. Like, we need to bond with her before we viciously murder. and sacrifice her to Satan. Right.

Holy shit. And they had tried at one point earlier to kill her. I read two different accounts on how this all went down. So it both involved an embankment. I read that the first one is that Travis Williams, that kid who they sometimes hung out with, he pretended to have fallen down into the embankment, but he was holding a knife. And they ran to see if Elise would go help. And she went down and saw Travis holding the knife.

And the three other boys started yelling, do it, do it, do it. And he, he like froze and couldn't do it, thank God. But the other story says that they pushed Elise down an embankment and it was near her house. So her mom happened to be walking by and heard the whole commotion. And then when she asked Elise, like, what the fuck was that all about? Elise was just like, oh, like those boys just like to mess with me. Like, it's nothing. Oh, I hate all of it.

So I feel. Either way, I hate it. I feel like it was probably the first one. Yeah. Because they had been plotting this for a long time anyways. and like Travis was involved at that point. And I think that when she had gone missing, her mom probably would have said something about these boys. For sure.

Like they were bothering her. You're very right. And they pushed her down an embankment. Pushing down an embankment also doesn't seem like a sacrificing a virgin kind of death. No. The knife seems like it has to be involved here. Exactly. If they're really like pretending to be like sacrificial and like ceremonial.

I agree. I agree completely. Yeah. But on Elisa's side, I honestly think that she just. thought that they were all becoming friends and she liked the sense of rebellion around the whole thing. Oh, that hurts. Like, you think when, like, the cool bad kids, like, invite you to hang out, you're like, oh, shit. Like, like, you're part of their... Like, this is so, like, fun. Like, sometimes being bad is fun when you're younger. Well, yeah, and it's just anytime you're accepted into

anything, it's, you think it's cool when you're younger. And these boys were outcasts. Like, and I think she kind of, like, she liked anybody. Like, she would hang out with anybody. But I also think because she was in her rebellious stage, it was, like, cool that they were the outcasts. And, she was just a super trusting person in general. After she disappeared, her dad said about her, quote, Elise was very trusting. That was the root of the problem. She never thought there could be anything wrong with anybody. Which is just the sad. That makes me saddest thing ever. So just the day before she went missing, Elise was hanging out with her friends at another friend's house with a bunch of people. It kind of sounded like it was a party. Yeah. It didn't say it was right. Hang out with her friends at another

friends house. There were a lot of people there. There was music. Maybe a keg. It's a bunch of people. It's Sounds like a party. Yeah, I don't know. Lots of music. Lots of, budum, bum, boom. And Jacob Deducnut was there. Ugh. And he told her that he had just got some, like, wicked good weed.

He got the chronic. And he got some acid. And that he would do it with her if she wanted. And she apparently agreed. And they exchanged, I know. And they exchanged numbers. So the next night, he called her two times to invite her out. And he told her where to meet.

And that was the same night that she told her parents, good night, I love you, and packed her bed with the pillows. No. Her parents remember these phone calls. She got two phone calls. She hung out for a little tiny bit longer, and then she went to bed. Isn't that just like this, like turned around, said, I love you. Good night.

Packed her bed with the pillows and left her house for the very last time. No, that like destroys me. And this whole time, her parents think that she's gone to bed. She's just going to bed. Or in for like the eight months afterwards thought that maybe. Maybe, maybe, maybe she was a runaway. This is our, I mean, this is going to make me even crazier with the girls. Oh, I know.

Because I'm already, they're four. And I go into their room multiple times a night. Yeah. Like, I think that's just like what you do as a parent. It's just total paranoia. Like, I'm going to do. My kids are never going to sleep because I'm just going to be like, constantly. I am constantly leaning over them just being like, you're so beautiful.

Or like, whenever I babysit, I like constantly go up there and like hold my finger under their nose. Especially when they were like baby babies. I'm like, oh, fuck. So Elise had headed out to meet with the three boys. Together, they all smoked. In some sources, I read that they dropped acid. But in other sources, it didn't say that. So I could only confirm that they smoked together.

And then the guy suggested going to this eucalyptus field to folk, to smoke some more and just like hang out. And also, I feel like that sounds like so fun if you were, if that's actually all that was going to happen. Like, you get an eucalyptus field to smoke. Like, that's cool. It does. It sounds cool. But it wasn't. No.

Oh, and if you're wondering where Travis Williams was on that night, he actually couldn't make it because he had just been arrested for shooting an elderly woman. Oh. Yeah. So that's where he was that night in jail for shooting a fucking elderly woman. Here I was thinking Travis not being able to do the like thing with the knife and the embankment. I was like, oh, so Travis is the one that's like, oh, I have a conscience. That's why I put that in there.

Just kidding. Yeah, no, he was, he. Holy shit. He didn't panic, I guess, when it came to the elderly. Wow. Yeah. So anyways. These kids are fucking assholes. It's insane. I guess water seeks its own level. It does. Wow. So anyway, when they all got there, they were just like hanging out, just probably like passing around a joint or whatever. And then suddenly one of the boys pulled Elise by her hair to her feet and knocked her down on her back. And if you've stuck her on this long and you're like kind of like maybe not feeling this, this is probably the time for you to go. This is going to be rough. Love you so much. Have a good night. So they grab her by her hair, pull her to her feet, and then push her back down onto her back. Now, Jacob takes off his belt and wraps it around her and begins to strangle her with it while Royce Casey held her down.

And then Joe Fiorella was the first to stab her with the knife directly into her throat. Oh! Stabbed her directly into her throat. Oh, my God. Then the three of them took turns passing the knife around and stabbed her. her in the throat. Oh my God. Just like continued to stab her.

Royce Casey later told the police that this is so sad. She continually called out for her mom. Ugh. Which ruins me. Oh, I hate that. And she prayed to God the whole time like, please make this stop. Please make this stop. Oh, my God.

Meanwhile, she's in the middle of a fucking eucalyptus field. Like there's, like, they're probably in the middle of nowhere. Alone with these demons. With these actual demons from hell. Holy shit. So I don't even want to call them demons from hell because that's what they wanted to be. Yeah, exactly. Oh, my God.

And then this is really fucking horrible. When they felt like she wasn't dying quickly enough, they stomped on her neck. I, I'm, wow. And then, big time trigger warning, when they were finally sure that she was dead, they defiled her corpse. Of course they did. Yep. And there's evidence to suggest that they actually came back on multiple occasions to continue to do so. days after.

What the fuck? Yeah. So they like bundied it. I was just going to say they bundy got like wild. They bundied it. So Royce Casey. That's fucked. Oh, it's horrific.

That is so beyond fucked. Yeah. So Royce Casey in the months after killing Elise stopped hanging out with Jacob and Joe and found religion because if you're ever going to find religion, you should probably do it after you murder somebody brutally. What a great time to find it. Yeah, of course. When you need to be just forgiven of everything.

I mean, it probably had a lot to do with his guilty-ass conscience. Yeah, it would suppose so. And he, apparently, he said he was having visions of Elise and all these flashbacks. Good. And I guess, I have to, I'll say it at the end or I'll put in the show notes. I can't remember the book that I read. But he, the day that he confessed, he saw, like, a missing poster of Elise. And that's when he, like, really decided to go to the police, which I hope Elise was haunting

the motherfucking shit out of him. I actually just got chills. And I think she was. I hope she was. And I'm glad that she was. Yeah. I hope she fucking destroyed him. So not only was that fucking him up, but he was also worried that Joe and Jacob might actually come for him next.

Yeah. If they're willing to do that. Because I'm assuming if he was so worried that they were coming from him for him, that he was virgin. Oh, there you go. And you know how they loved the band Slayer? I guess there's a line in one of Slayer songs that says you're either with us or against us. And like they took, like these kids took Slayer's, like lyrics that are supposed to be like art and like, I guess fun. Yeah, and it has like, they just took them to the endth degree. It's a persona. Right. Like, these metal bands have a persona. Like, comedians have a persona. Exactly. It's like, you don't, anybody who actually is like, wow, that's who they are as people. It's like, no. All right, sit down. They'd be in jail. Sit down. We got to, we got to teach you some things. Right. But he knew how serious they took it. And he was like, oh, fuck, like, I got to do something about this. I don't know what took him so long. I'm like, you know, at the end of that night, it should have been pretty clear. Like, they're pretty willing to do anything. And they've bonded. And they've

with this girl and they're willing to do it. So you think you're any different? No, you're not. And you're being led by a fucking 14-year-old. Yeah. You should, for real. You have a lot of, you have a long list of worries. You got to rethink a lot. So it was March 13th, 1996 when he actually went to the police to tell them everything. Like I said, he led them to Elisa's body that had been in the eucalyptus field for more than eight months now. Eight months. Um, she obviously was very badly decomposed, but a forensic pathologist was able to determine, excuse me, that none of her wounds were fatal and she actually died from bleeding out. Yeah. That is horrific. Stabbed 12 times, strangled, stomped on her neck, and then defiled her corpse. So they raped her and she was still alive.

Probably, yeah. But dying. Dying. They raped her dying body and then raped her corpse. Yeah. Horrific. That's a lot. to handle. It really is. It's a lot. Deep breath, everybody. Collective deep breath. That's a lot. So Jacob Delash Mutt and Joe Fiorella were arrested like right after Royce had been interrogated. And they all admitted like pretty much right away. Like yeah, we did this and we had been planning this for a while. What the fuck? I think they wanted to be like, yeah, we're like Satanist. Yeah, we're such badass.

We're so scary. Like it doesn't matter because we're going to hell anyways. We're demons. It's like, okay, fuck off. Joe admitted to that he was the one who had the one who had the idea in the first place. And he really wanted to align himself and he wanted like his bros to be aligned with Satan. But he said everyone was equally willing and ready to do this. Wow. And that's true actually because Royce Casey, I feel like sometimes like when people listen they're like, well, at least he like turned himself in. Yeah. It's like, no, no. Because this was in his diary. Oh no. Oh, God. I'm fighting on the other side now. I'm going to do your voice. I'm fighting on the other side now, allied with the darkened souls. Satan's raised and shall conquer and reign. In the

Bible, it says that in the end, Lucifer will bring out his best in everything. Music, love, murder. All the psycho-serial killers and rapists didn't know that if they actually just build an altar of sacrifice and kill the person on the altar and then have repeated sex with the corpse, virgin meat is the ultimate sacrifice. Yikes. If all this, of all the serial killers just knew that you just had to make an altar and then defile a corpse. If all of them just did, you know, these literal infant children. They knew that.

They know it. Why the fuck didn't anybody else know it? What? They've discovered it. What? So they were tried very quickly and sentenced. Good. And we're going to talk about Elisa's grandma, Elise.

at the trial, I love this woman. Elise Walter said, I wish I had known what they were planning. I would have wrung their scrawny little necks. Oh, my God. Yes. Isn't that incredible? So all three of them were sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, and they all went to different detention centers around California.

So they couldn't bro it out. They couldn't bro it up. They do have chances for parole, though. Fuck that. Fucked up. And actually, one of them recently had a chance at parole in 2020, but I don't know. I couldn't find anything extra.

on like afterwards. But I wonder if COVID had anything to do with like pausing that. Oh. So. All right. Well, there's something. Let's all right into California that we don't want them let out.

Yeah, fuck that. Like, you should have no possibility of parole. But I think it was because they were so young. Of course. Even though people did push for them to be tried as adults. Yeah, that's a pretty adult crime that they did. Certainly is. Elisa's family was not just happy with the killers in prison, though.

And you know what, their parents. So we're going to say what we think. about like this whole thing but at the end of the day these are her parents and I don't blame them for anything they did absolutely not so at the trial all three of the kids talked about how the music heavily influenced them probably to like claim insanity or some shit yeah that's bullshit or just pass the book on Slayer or if it inspired you that much then you are a weak-minded person oh just wait so specifically Slayer music so poor Slayer Elisa's parents actually filed two lawsuits against them one was a

against the band itself and their record label for unlawfully, marketing and distributing harmful and obscene products to minors. And the specific lyrics that they pointed out, I'm just going to read a quick excerpt. Erotic sensations tingle my spine, a dead body lying next to mine. Smooth blue black lips, I start salivating as we kiss. Mine forever, the sweet death. I cannot forget your soft breaths, panting excitedly with my hands around your neck. I love, I love, I love, you how I love to kill you. I mean, okay. So it's definitely fucked up. But here's the thing. Again, I don't blame the parents for whatever they wanted to do after

this because I can't even fathom what they were going through. I would probably do the same thing. But I would more be concentrating on the parents of the kids because it's not Slayer's fault that they bought their album. Where the fuck were you? It's the parents' fault that they're listening to the album. Yes. Because Slayer has no responsibility to parent kids. They took that route too because there's two different lawsuits. Elisa's father told the LA Times, Slayer and others in the industry have developed sophisticated strategies to sell death metal music to adolescent boys.

They don't care whether the violent, misogynistic messages in these lyrics caused children to do harmful things. They couldn't care less about what their fans did to our daughter. All they care about is money. Okay. Which, you know, not super fair, but it's horrible what happened to their daughter. So that's all I would be thinking about. Honestly, higher ups in the music business, all they do care about is money.

So it's like, yeah, you are talking the truth. Right. So Slare's drummer responded by saying, they're trying to blame the whole thing on us. That's such nonsense. If you're going to do something stupid like that, you should get in trouble for it. True. I agree with that. I see both sides.

Yeah, I can agree with that. Both lawsuits against the ban were thrown out because they're protected by the First Amendment. Yeah. It's free speech. There's not much of the game. And again, they didn't incite something. These kids wanted to do this. Exactly.

The first judge was a little rude about his. decision. He was like, and this is a quote, where do you draw the line? You might as well start looking through the library at every book on the shelf. It's like, well, I would for reasons why my daughter was murdered. Yeah. And I will do that. It's like, is that correct? Kind of. Yeah. It's like, you don't need to say it. It goes without saying. Yeah, it goes without saying. It's like you don't need to say it to grieving parents. No. These parents, I couldn't not fathom what they're going through. And then the second judge said, Slare lyrics are repulsive and profane, but they do not direct or instruct listeners to commit the acts that resulted in the vicious torture murder of

Elise Poller. Exactly. And that is true. The final words from didush nut, Delashmunt, and Joe Fiorella. Delashmutt told the Washington Post, Elise was murdered because Joe Fiorella was obsessed with her and obsessed with killing her. And I read this article that was like, yeah, and he probably just wanted to have sex with her. And that was the only way he knew how.

Did they have sex? No. No. He raped her. He raped her. But that's exactly what it was. He couldn't. He couldn't get it consensually, so he was going to take it.

Exactly. And it's like, oh, I just can't. They're also all three of them are fucking repulsive. Oh, just wait until I post their damn photo. And it's scary because you look at Joe Fiorella and he looks like a fucking baby. He does. An ugly baby, but a baby. A very ugly baby, you know, like one of, like overcooked.

Yeah. But he was the fucking ringleader. And you look at him and you're like, what? You assholes were listening to this literal fetus. Baby-faced idiot? Like, what is wrong with you? So, baby-faced idiot himself said to Entertainment Weekly, It's almost embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music.

It started to influence the way I looked at things. It's almost a bit. Not quite. It's not quite embarrassing that I was so influenced by the music. Like, who. I want to, I wish, and I don't know what the follow-up question was, but I hope it was. But it is really fucking embarrassing that you murdered someone, right? Sure is.

And defiled a corpse, right? Like, you're ashamed of that, I hope? Because this kid's, he's literally like, who, I was so close to being embarrassed there for a second, but like. About the music. Just came close. Cool. What about the girl whose life you took? Yeah, no, we're not even thinking about that.

No, and he's definitely not. No. I just, I don't want to think of music as influencing me. No. And he has gone back and forth for like years at this point about like, the music influenced me. No, it didn't. It didn't have anything to do with it. I just wanted to sacrifice a virgin.

It was all about the devil. And it's like, okay. Which if you go back and forth, then the music didn't influence you. No. Because it's clear. You just said it. You wanted to do it so you did it. Exactly.

That's what it is. Black and white, that's exactly why this happened. You chose the music thing as a scapegoat because that was the cool thing to do for a while was blame heavy metal music. It really was. Oh, especially, I mean, 1995, satanic panic. Absolutely. Boom. Right there.

Boom. And honestly, I really hate to end on a sad note, but everybody lost here. Absolutely. Elisa's parents ended up having like a super hard time. And remember, they had three other kids. Yeah. They ended up on welfare because the family, like, lost their jobs because they weren't able to go into work because they had such horrific PTSD. I can't imagine.

And actually, the father, Dave's PTSD, excuse me, led to a road rage incident that's like, I think it's still ongoing. Oh, man. Like, what's going on with that? And the saddest thing of all is that it was ruled that they be paid restitution. They've never received a dime. Are you kidding me? They've never received a dime in restitution. That's fucked.

Isn't that horrific? Oh, my God. So this is just all around the most horrific case. It truly is. I know. And for, I mean, it kind of sucks that it inspired Jennifer's body, but. I mean, but it's like, you know, art imitating life. It is.

imitating art. Imitating life. That's the case. Wow. That's that. Unbelievable. I know. That's a truly, truly horrific case.

It's just so sad. It really is. Like from every angle. It really is. And it's, you know, you can see, too, with Jennifer's body, I'm like thinking about it. And I'm like, they made Jennifer like a characterous, you know, like a caricature of police, like the hyper rebellious. Yeah. And she was friends with like a goody-to-chews girl, which she was friends with two good girls.

That's interesting. The only thing they didn't do was give her blonde hair and blue eyes. Wow. If anything, you would think that they would have picked Amanda Cic. friend's character. I know, but maybe they didn't want to make it like a full. Yeah, which, you know, thank you. Which thank you for not making it like a total just like red off of it. I don't need that. Nobody needs that. Because it's like the, you know, scream was based off of the Gainesville Ripper. Yeah. And it's like very loose, but you can see it.

Right. You know. And then did Cassie Joe Stoddard, did that happen before scream or after scream? That happened after scream. They were inspired by scream. Okay. Or is the same kind of thing. They said they were inspired by scream. But they were. But they're just disgusting. Yeah. They're just evil dicks. That's all it is. Yep.

Wow. Wait until you see the picture of them. They're repulsive. I just look them up really quick. It's just got, I saw you and I was like, I hope that's what she's doing. It's like, really? And Elise, by the way. Beautiful.

Gorgeous. Beautiful. Like, beyond. They are lucky that she spent one second in their presence. It's like, honestly. Ugh. It's so gross. Wow.

Well, thank you for that. Nightmare. You're welcome. No problem. I appreciate that. I like giving you nightmares. Yeah, that's a rough one. Well, for a long time there, you were the one giving me nightmares. Yeah, whenever you involve like a teenage girl that I'm like, oh God. Yeah, and like you involve like mom. Yeah. Yeah. It's no good. So yeah, well, um, let's bring it to a lighter note and shout out some patrons. Yeah, let's bring it all back up.

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