Morbid - Listener Tales 77

Episode Date: August 31, 2023

It's Listener Tales 77 AND it's August so you know what that means.... It is obviously time for Halloween tales! This week we have a spook-a-dook installment filled with tales of bullet wounds that go undetected, sleep paralysis demons, deaths by elevators, and spooky nanny's. If you have a listener tale you’d like to send in please send it to [e-mail] Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. It seems like we were supposed to say it together with what your eyeballs were doing to me. I don't know why I was doing that. I can only see one of your eyes because your pop filters covering the other ones. The other ones. Like you have many. I have that third evil eye that I have. Well, you know, everybody has a third eye. There's a showing because I don't know why. Because, you know. I think it's Scorpio season. I don't really know what that would have to do with your third eye. because I pretend like I know everything about, I almost just said geology. About astrology, but I don't know everything. Yeah, because I don't know what Scorpio season.

All I know is that I'm a Capricorn, and that's as far as I know about astrology. You know that I'm a Gemini, too. I do know that. Just Gemini things. So that's as far as my reach goes. Well, that has nothing to do with anything about this show. It doesn't. But you know what?

This episode is a highly requested one. Honey. Highly requested. Shut up already. And it's one, shut up. I'm totally kidding. It's one that many people have asked for. So many of the people.

And I'm trying to think of anything else like crazy. Oh, Peter Sutliff died. Died. Today. Died. I mean, he's been on death's door for a little while and we've all been, you know, crossing those fingers. How old was he?

Just waiting. I know. I should look up how old he is. I feel like he must have been at least like 80. He must have been, I mean, in evil years. he's like 475. Same. No, I'm totally kidding.

Peter Sutcliffe. Peter Williams Sutcliffe. Let's see. How old were you? How old were you, you dumb bastard? Let's play the game of looking up how old murderer was. Well, how old do you think this mother-fucker was? I love it.

I like that you said only. I mean, 74's like, that's young and spry. Yeah. For people who aren't evil fuckers, you know? I thought you were going to say fuck-asses, like in Donny Darko. Yeah, an evil fuck-ass. That's who that's what he is. Yeah.

And he did, he died in the hospital. He contracted COVID-19. Oh, damn. So that was a rough death for that man's. Yeah. A broken clock is right twice in a day and COVID got it right this time, I guess. That's really all we can say about that. He's the Yorkshire Ripper.

We are going to cover him. He's been on the list, but he's like a big baddie. So he was, you know how we, you know, I'm like talking like people, like, you know, you know, you're acting like everyone is in the room right now. you're like waiting for her spot. I'm like, guys, you know? No, but you know how we kind of space those out so we don't use up all the big baddies in a while. You guys need to. Or the big cases. Yeah. Like this is a big, this, this is a big baddie, but there's no, there is a bad guy, I think, but some people think there was no bad guy. This one's just a big case. So we try to spread those

ones out so that we're not using them all up in the beginning. And so we get those little cases in there. So don't worry, Peter Sutcliffe will be covered. And now we all know the ending. The all the ending is that he does of COVID-19. So there's that. Guys, if we sound like we're a little crazy, I think it's the weather. Yeah. It's very gloomy, which is normally like my jam, but it's been gloomy for the past few days, and I think it's really affecting us. It's like gloomy weather. Everybody's like all of a sudden in the holiday spirit, which I've suddenly like embraced. Oh, I don't know if anybody, if you follow me on Instagram at Ashkel 83, I think. I hate Instagram. I love Instagram. I like Twitter better. Bring me back to Twitter.

But I was dancing around my house decorating the other day. And my whole apartment, I like that I call it a house, is decked out for Christmas. I feel like it's that this year of all years, we can all get into the holiday spirit a little early. It's the holiday season. Give me some twinkle lights, you know. Yeah. Give me some hot chocolate. I'm into it.

I want to make that hot chocolate that is like you mash the balls together. That you mash the balls together. I know which one you're talking about. I mean. I just wanted to be like as. That you mash. The two testicles. Yes, because there are two of them.

There are two. Match those two testes together and put them in your hot chocolate. I think it's, yeah, it's all that. And it's also, you know. It's a morbid recipe. It's just a day. We're homeschooling, we're doing all the things. So I think we can just get into it because I don't think there's really,

besides Peter Sutcliffe dying, not a lot of news. There's really not a lot of true crime news happening right now. So, no. I think we can just kind of jump right into it. And we don't have anything to announce at this second. Not at this moment. maybe next week. I don't know. But we will. All right. So we're going to go back to, which actually, like, it doesn't seem that long ago. But if you think about it, right now it's 2020, just a little

math lesson here. And this happened in 2013. So I guess it was a pretty good long while ago. I know. It feels like it wasn't. Is that eight years or am I dumb? Yeah. No, it's seven. Seven years. Okay. So I was close. So it's not crazy long ago. No, actually it's not. I was a less time than John and I have been together. I was in high school when this happened. So that's a weird thing. I hate that so much. And you know what's, weird is I don't remember this case happening. Like when I was in high school, I don't remember hearing about it. Really? I think it wasn't until I got like super into true crime that I knew about it. Look at that. And like started listening to podcast because this is a huge case in the true crime world.

It sure is. In what case is it? It's the case of al-A-Lam. Al-Lis-A-Lam. R-P. What happened to you, sister? I don't know. I just don't know. I'm going to start this off by telling you, I don't know what the fuck happened. Nobody knows. No. You don't know. We don't know. We don't know. Nobody knows. Someday. The only person who knows is Elisa Lam, and unfortunately she cannot tell us. And you know what? We're like really off on a tangent right now. But I just want to say, but I just want to say it's so funny because a lot of times people will ask me like, oh,

what's one case that like you would know, like you would want to find out the answer to? And I always say Jean Bonnet, but do you know what? I'm actually changing my answer to Elisa Lam. Look at that. I need to know what happened. Now we have different answers. Because you know what? I kind of think I know what happened to Jean-Beney. I mean, I do And this one is like, I don't know. I think we all know what happened to Champagne. Don't sue me. Bye.

So anyways, February 2013, the guests at the CISO Hotel started making a lot of complaints to the front desk about the water in their room. Ew. Gross. So, CEM said that the tap water had like a funny taste to it. Never a good thing. Tasted a little bit like death. Other people said that the water pressure was like non-existent and they were like,

yo, I'm trying to take a spa shower. So can you fix that? A spa shower in the CISO Hotel? Yeah, don't be trying to do that. Don't do that. And don't even go there. And some people complained that it was black when they first turned it on. And it would clear up, but people were kind of concerned about that. You know what? I'm glad that people were concerned. Because if people were just like, well, well, you know, just let it run for a minute. Just yeah, let the black run out. Don't do that. So let's be real. The Cecil Hotel was never exactly a five star hotel. Even though it was intended to be. But that didn't ever really happen. So the Cecil was built in 1924 by the man named William Banks, Hanner. And he spent a million dollars on this project. All right. So it was sad that he put a million dollars into this because honestly, he thought that it was going to be the perfect place for businessmen traveling, for work. And he really wanted this place to be for like

the upper echelon of the time. Of course. You never want to build your hotel for Richard Ramirez. No, that's not exactly the end goal most of the time. I don't think that's what people who build motels are into. Yeah, there you go. The Rose. What did it? I think. forget what they name it in Schitt's Creek. I mean, if you're like H.H. Holmes, then you build a hotel for a different reason, but... But even you're not building it for the lower echelon. Even then, you're building it for murder. You are. So you got the upper echelons of society. So you know what? Unfortunately, two years after the hotel opened, the Great Depression hit. Oh, that little thing? Huge bummer. Yeah. And that, that depression was pretty bleak. It's a pretty big speed bump.

I don't know if you know about it, but look into it. Ever heard of it? Bleak as hell. Yeah. Now, the whole area. around the hotel was surrounded by people who had fallen victim to the depression. They had lost their homes. Some people were struggling with addiction and didn't really have any place to go. And if you're from the U.S., you've probably heard of Skid Row, and that is the neighborhood where the Cecil stands today. So it's not exactly a great neighborhood, and that's all I'm going to say about that. Yeah. So the Cecil was not able to charge high rates for rooms anymore because of its location. Nobody was going to pay a lot of money. It's a little bit of a dangerous area.

Of course. And so a lot of the hotel's guests weren't exactly the Crem de la Crem anymore. No. No. And I mean, like you said, we're talking about Richard Ramirez, the Nightstocker, see episode 14. I looked it up for you. There you go.

I'm going to say this wrong. And I also just made a gross mouth noise, but you would go over it. Yeah. Yeah. Say it again? Unterweger. Oh, it's Vega. I think it's that.

Okay. So Jack Unterveger and another serial killer. That's who he was. And he stayed at the Cecil just because Richard Ramirez. did. That's so much. Who says, I think it's Bailey Syrian that says get better role models. 100%. Another guest was a young girl named Dorothy Jean Purcell, I think is how you say her last name. And she threw her baby out the window after giving birth in the bathroom. Don't do any of that. No. None of that. Unfortunately, she was deemed to be mentally ill. So it wasn't like her fault really.

That makes sense. She didn't, she didn't know she was pregnant, had the baby in the bathroom. bathroom and she actually thought the baby was not alive. And I don't know if she just didn't want to tell her mans that she had just had a baby in the bathroom. So that's what she did. Oh man, what a situation that is. Yes, it truly is. So really what I'm getting at here is that the Cecil just really has a straight up air of tragedy and sadness around it. It has an aura. It does. I mean, countless people have committed suicide by jumping out of the higher story windows. One woman actually killed a pedestrian because she herself was jumping from the window and landed on him. Wow. Yes. And there were, there was something like 16 suicides in total or like more than 16. So yeah, it's sad there.

Yeah, it's a sad place. And if you didn't know, it was the inspiration for American Horror Story Hotel. Yeah. I don't know if there's any vampires. Which is a great season. I know. I actually want to watch that now. So the Cecil's gone through all that. And now this, the black fowl tasting water, that doesn't necessarily. have an explanation yet. Seems like it's on the correct trajectory. It is, yeah. So they were like, we should probably look into that. Yeah. And they sent a maintenance worker to the top floor. Now, his name was Santiago Lopez. He took the elevator to the 15th floor of the hotel. And then he walked up another staircase. He disarmed the alarm that would have sounded throughout the top floors and alerted the front desk if someone who like wasn't supposed to be up there was lurking. Oh. And then he had to

climb up onto another platform where the water tanks were. So he had to take the elevator up to the 15th floor, climb up some stairs, disarm the thing, then climb up another platform to get to these towers. All right. So not easy. So a trek. Then he had to grab a lighter. Then he had to grab a lighter. He had to grab a ladder. Grab your liner, Gus. Get your ladder. He had to get a ladder and to get to the top of the tank to like check out what was going on. So that tank, that specific tank, provided water, not just to the guest rooms, but also to the kitchen and a coffee shop. I don't think this is going to end well for them. Nope, definitely not.

So he moves the lid. And now I've seen a lot of different versions about this story. We're going to see that there's many different versions of minor details that become bigger details later. It's like a game of telephone. It is. So in some versions, the lid of the water tank was completely shut, like completely shut, signed seal delivered. And it was heavy, right?

So that's another detail that I'm going to get into later. It might not have been as heavy as you think. Oh, okay. So like I said, it could have been completely shut, but others argue that it was slightly like open. Okay. So I don't know. I wasn't there. I don't know.

You weren't there? No. Then why are you speaking on it? I know. It's like, come on, Ash, shut the fuck up. So he peers in and unfortunately he sees the body of a young woman. And this woman had been missing for three weeks. Oh.

in a water tank. Oh, I forgot that little detail. Yeah. Okay, so that woman was Elisa Lam. Now, she was born in Canada in 1991 to her parents, David, and I think it's Yina. I'm going to say Yida. Yina Lam, who were immigrants from Hong Kong. Just a little fun fact.

Her Cantonese name was Lam Ho Ye. So, that's just a little sprinkle. Swank. Yeah. Now, in 2013, she was 21, and she decided that she needed a break from school. she was going to the University of British Columbia, although I did read in one source that she actually wasn't a registered student around the time of her death. Oh, that's interesting.

So some people say she was going there. Other people say that maybe she had unregistered from school, and that's kind of like what was going on here. All right. Again, I wasn't there. I don't work at British Columbia University, so I don't know. But anyway, she had recently been struggling with her mental health, and she was trying to navigate her bipolar disorder, which was a recent diagnosis.

Okay. And she was having a pretty hard time. Yeah. So because it was recent, she didn't have it like totally under control. Yeah. And honestly, I think she didn't really understand exactly what was happening. Her family didn't really understand, like, how to treat this, you know. It must be scary. It is. And she was really just in need of a getaway. So she decided that she was going to go to America and she wanted to travel the West Coast. So that's all well and fine, but she wanted to do it by herself. Not necessarily a great idea if you ask me. I know that you didn't. but whatever. I know you didn't. Also, you should have come to the East Coast. I know. Like,

come on, Alisa. The Superior Coast. It is the best coast. We're starting like an East Coast, West Coast War again. That's right. We are. So she was calling this her West Coast tour, which I think is really cute. And she was excited, like I said, she needed to hit the reset button. And her parents felt the complete opposite of excitement because they were really nervous about her traveling by herself for a few reasons. One was that they knew what was going on with her. And number two, it's like, you're going to a totally different country. I mean, Canada and the U.S. are like right on top of each other, but still, she's alone and she's 21. Yeah, it's far away. And they're her parents. You know what I mean? So they were like, okay, whatever. And but they knew that they couldn't stop her. And they knew that she

had been struggling and they were hopeful kind of in the same way that she was about hitting a refresh. They were like, maybe this will be good for her. So we'll let her do it because we don't really have another choice. Oh, I feel so bad for them. I know. And she assured them that she was going to call every day and check in, let them know what she was up to, where she was, blah, blah, blah. And she kept her word. Like, she was really good with calling them every day and letting them know where she was. So she started her trip off January 22nd, and she first checked out San Diego. She had plans to go to San Francisco, L.A. and Santa Cruz. Now, she called her parents, like I said, every single day to check in. And she was also super into blogging and she was updating her Tumblr and her blog spot page. Do you fucking remember

a blog spot spot? Yeah. Yes. Her blog spot page was named Etherfields. Ether fields. I'm dumb. Ether fields along the way. Now, she had her whole trip outlined on her Tumblr page. Oh. So already, I personally feel like that might be a little bit of a red flag here. Yeah, it's no good. Never do that. No. Don't share your plans with everybody. And she actually got nervous about that at one point. Like she was like, fuck, maybe I shouldn't have done that. Share it with those closest to you. Don't share it with anyone else.

And especially on Tumblr, she was finding mental health support with other users. Yeah, that makes sense. It's like a community. Exactly. It's like you find your people. Right. Exactly. You can talk about things.

You can get advice. And other people have like the same thing going on. It's relatable. Yeah, absolutely. You need it. And at the time, Tumblr was like so hot right now. I was like not in the age of Tumblr. You were out of it.

I was BlogSpot. And then you like really outdated like blog spot even quickly, I feel like. I was barely in BlogSpot. But Tumblr was like what the kids, what the youths were doing. Now I'm telling you, I fucking loved Tumblr. Oh yeah. And you fucked hard with Tumblr. I fucked real hard with Tumblr.

And I still fucks a little bit with Tumblr. Really? I do sometimes. Look at that. Honey. So yeah, you know. I don't understand Tumblr. I'm just going to come right out and say it.

I want to. I feel like it's just one of those things that like, it's like Instagram. Oh, then count me out. It's just like one of those social media pages that you come to like understand as you do it kind of thing. That makes sense. So I actually went to see if there was anything on her Tumblr page because the page itself still exists, but there's not any content. So you can't see anything that she posted, which is frustrating. Oh, that's annoying.

Yeah. There's the title of her of her Tumblr like blog page and it's called Nouvelle Navu. I think. Nouveau? Maybe. I don't really know what that means. And there's also a quote that says, and this is like super eerie, you're always haunted by the idea that you're wasting your life. Wow. Isn't that like, it's just very eerie for what happened. It's very dark. And also she was in a little bit of a dark place. And it's also like, it makes you think. All of a sudden I'm just like, oh shit, everybody is haunted by that idea. Yeah. Because even when you're doing a ton, you're like, am I wasting some part of it? Like, am I doing a more?

I can do. Wow. Oh. I know. Tumblr gets real deep. Oh, I don't like that. Real deep real dark. I don't want to start thinking about that.

I think that's why I liked it so much when I was younger because I was like so deep and so angsty. So angsty. I'm an emo girl. So anyways. So let's get back to Elisa. She checked into the Cecil on January 26th and she was supposed to stay in a hostel like room because she was trying to stretch her money out throughout the trip and it was cheaper

to stay in a hostel room. Now, the hotel actually moved her to a room of her. her own, though, after her roommates complained of odd behavior. Oh. Now, I couldn't find anything else about that, like what, like a specific instance or anything like that, just that there was odd behavior and they wanted her to be in her own room. Wow. Even that, I feel like considering what happened to her creeps me out.

Yeah. Like they wanted to isolate her almost. Yeah. It's just, that's strange. Yeah. I don't know. Like I can get it if she's like, if you don't know what's going on and she's acting a little strange, you could be like, okay, I really don't want her sleeping next to me. Right. Because you don't

know her. Right. These people in the hostel don't know her. They don't know her medical background. They don't know anything. No. So I can get why they would be like, okay, maybe stop. Yeah. But then when you look at it on the other side, you're like, or it can be very ominous. Or did the hotel, like, do something? And either way, she was isolated from those people. Exactly. Now, she was due to check out of the hotel on January 31st, and that meant she was going to be calling her family to tell them what her stay was like and what her next move was. But she never made that call. That call never came.

And since she had been so consistent with her calls, like I said, her family was immediately left with this like ominous, dark, horrible feeling. They're like, immediately they knew something was wrong. Absolutely. So they contacted the LAPD and they explained the situation while getting ready to head to the U.S. themselves. They were like, we're heading out there. Good for them.

Yeah, they were great. And they were, so the police went out to the Cecil and they were, able to search around the public areas of the hotel, but they couldn't get a search warrant for any private rooms. Which, like, kind of sucks. And I think there's something like 700 rooms in the Cecil. There's a lot of rooms. Wow. A lot of places that something sinister could be happening. Absolutely. It kind of reminds me of the Kanika Jenkins case. Yeah, it's just like a lot of dark places that dark shit can happen. Heidi holes. Yeah. So out of prying eyes of people who actually give a ship. Exactly. So they searched and they

search. They even went up to the roof to look around with search dogs, but they didn't find anything. Can you imagine knowing later that you were walking right next to her in a tank? Yeah. But she stayed there for like three more weeks. It's awful. Now, her parents ended up coming to the West Coast in hopes to find her because they're so worried, but obviously we know that that wasn't going to happen. So the hotel employees remember seeing her around the hotel on the day that she disappeared. And one of the last people to see Alisa was this woman named Katie Orphan. Now, Katie Orphan worked in a bookstore right by the hotel. Ironically, the bookstore's name is the last bookstore. Wow. There is so many weird, ironic, like little details in this. Just like the universe being like,

ha ha. Yeah, like something about this case is just supernatural. It's just dark. It is. It's dark. It is. Now, Katie said that Elisa was happy and she talked with her. her about the books and the music that she bought from the store. She was telling her, like, some of these purchases are for, like, so-and-so back home. And so it seemed like she had plans to go back home. Yeah. Now, the hotel also, and you guys are going to go, you're like going to wild out, they found the footage of Elisa in the elevator on the day she went missing. And they released it to the public in hopes to maybe somebody recognized her. Oh, I saw that girl here. Like, they thought it was going to bring her home. But it only added so much more confusion to this

case. That video is wild. It's insane. I watched it probably like four times in the past two days, and I can see it right now in my brain. I can too. No, I really want you guys to all go watch it, because it's, I'm going to describe it, but you have to see it for yourself to get the full, like experience. Because it looks fake. It does look like somebody acting. It does look like somebody acting, and that is a theory. Oh, really? I don't even know that. There's also a wild theory that I didn't put in here, but I'll actually say it at the end because it's nuts. Okay. So, this is what happens in the video. Elisa walks into the elevator. And in my opinion, she doesn't seem like hurried or frantic when she first gets in the elevator. She crouches down to press a button,

then she moves to the back corner of the elevator, then she quickly pokes her head out looking into the hallway and really quickly yanks her head back in. And all of a sudden, like, the mood changes. Like she's hiding. Yeah. Now when she yanks her head back in, she presses her back against the wall. And to me, that says, like, I'm freaked out. Like, I want to be protected by the this wall. Yeah. Then she scoots into the corner, the back corner like she's hiding, like you just said. It's like the front corner next to the button. Yeah, the front corner first. So that if somebody was to look in, they wouldn't see her initially. Because she, then she moves to the back corner at one point. So first she moves into the front corner. You're right. And it almost looks like she's trying to like make

herself small. Oh yeah. Like she's really trying to stay out of someone's eye line. Yeah. Then she moves into the opening of the elevator and she looks around again. And then she steps completely out of the elevator. Then she steps like to the side still back, like still out of the elevator. Then she steps back in. And then she steps back out and moves again to the side. And then she gets back in and she presses a ton of buttons all the sudden. Yeah. And you're like, what the fuck? And also mind you, the elevator door never closes throughout this. That one little detail. I was like, all right, if you've ever been in an elevator, you know that if you move like in like a minute, all of a sudden the door's slamming shut on you and you freaked out that you're

going to get chopped in half. Literally. And also the entire time she was standing halfway in and halfway out, I was like, get in or out because I'm stressed out that this is going to drop and you're going to get crushed. Exactly. And I actually got chills when I said that the door doesn't close. It doesn't. It's weird. It never even makes an attempt. And somebody I read and I was like going through Reddit threads, which like it's obviously not always the truth. But somebody was saying, You can find some gems in there. You really can. And I did. Because some people were saying that, the elevator might have been in service mode. And then you would have to hold down the button for the door to close.

Oh, I didn't even think about that. And she wore glasses. So some people were pointing out, like, maybe she couldn't see the buttons. And she was panicked and just like trying to. Because she did, like, crouch very close to it to press it initially. You can see she's like crouches down right in front of it and like presses it really close to the button. Exactly. So I don't know.

So again, she, like I said, she comes in and she presses a ton of the buttons. And then she steps back out of the elevator. And as she does this, she, like, puts her hair behind her ears with both hands, which to me points to some kind of, like, anxiety. I don't know why, but it, like, points to, like, okay, like, we're going to do something. Like a, like an anxious tick kind of thing. Yeah, it is. Something somebody does when they're feeling some type of way.

Yeah, exactly. And then she walks back out, like I said, so she tucks her hair behind her ears as she's walking out. And then she's outside of the elevator. And she starts making, like, super weird hand gestures. And some people point to the fact that it looks like her wrists are like broken, but I'm doing it with my wrist right now. Oh, yeah. It's just like I could definitely make my wrist look.

She's like double-jointed or something. But she's like her arms are crossed and she's like maneuvering her hands all around. Yeah. And she's like kind of like waving them. It's like an interpretive dance of some sort. It really is. It's very strange. It's weird. And then she like I said, she's bending her wrists and like crossing her arms.

And as she does this, she slightly bends at her knees. Yeah, you're right. She looks very uncomfortable, and it almost looks like someone is doing something to her, but you don't see anyone. Oh, yeah, you're right. And it's weird. Like, if you were to superimpose someone tying something around her wrist while she was doing that, it would make sense.

You would believe it. Right. Like, I could Photoshop someone in there, and you'd be like, oh, yeah, that's real. Yeah, that's exactly what it looks like to me. So, I don't know. Because she's like phantom chairing it at one point. Yeah. She literally is.

Like, it's like she's doing a wall sit, but there's no wall. Or that she's almost like making some kind of signal. to someone or like, yeah. I don't know. It's just, it's very. To me, personally, I think, and a lot of people think this, that the footage is edited. Yeah. Because there's also, I didn't actually look at the timestamps, but I guess there's little

missing clips. Oh, really? Yeah. And a lot of people say that maybe the hotel was like covering one of their own. Ooh. So I don't know. All right. Now, like I said, everyone who's seen the footage has a theory of their own.

And I don't know which one decide with because they're all like really scary, but all of them make sense in some way if you look at them a certain way. No. Like I said, we're going to get into the theories at the end. But after watching the video, the public was super concerned for her well-being, no matter what theory they thought it was. Yeah. So that brings us back to the discovery of her body in the water tank.

And her body was discovered February 19th. Now, the water tank that she was found in was eight feet tall and four inches, or excuse me, four feet around. Oh, yeah. If you see a photo of it from like the. top like a drone footage right you're like what like how the fuck did she get up there how now she got up there with a ladder but it's just like it's just why so strange like why exactly and especially if she did it alone it's like very strange it just doesn't make a lot of sense and how would you even know

that that was up there right you know and now you could get into them right and like i i don't know so to get her body out of this this water tower they actually had to drain it completely and then they had to cut it open from the side because nobody else was going to dive in there. It's like no, thank you. Contaminated at this point. So, oh my goodness. Now, having being submerged in water for the past three weeks, Elisa's body was really badly decomposed. Yes, as evidenced by the water. Yes. Now, some sources say, now, this is so weird, because it's another thing of like, what's the truth? Like, why is there so much this, like, why is there so much debate over this? Like, their shadiness. Right. Because some people say that she was found naked.

And then other people say that she was found in the outfit that you see her in in the elevator. Ah. So it's like, why? Yeah. Why is, like, why isn't it written down somewhere what she actually was dressed or not dressed in? It would be written down somewhere. Like on the official reports, it's got to be there. The official reports were going to get into those too.

I know, because I was going to say, where the hell of those? I don't know. So, uh, there's also many sources that claim her body was covered in this unidentifiable, sandy textured like particle like all over her like there was many many particles wow and then i've also seen sources that she had black hairs covering her body hmm now i don't know if that's just like something that was on a Reddit thread and made it in its way to like a couple articles well i don't know so there's lots of questions and mystery surrounding the case like i said and some of the main questions are how did she get up onto the roof in the first place like we were just saying um and because i mentioned

earlier, there was an alarm. I was going to say you have to disarm it. You have to disarm the alarm or it's going to alert the front desk and the top two floors of the hotel. Like it would have sounded like a fire alarm almost. So that didn't happen, obviously, which is strange. And then when the LAPD brought the search dogs in there, there was actually a scent picked up, believed to be Elisa's, that led out to the fire escape. So some people say she climbed the fire escape up to the roof. Damn. That's how she ended up there. But it's also like, wouldn't somebody, like the Cecil's in a busy area of town,

somebody would have seen her doing this. Wow. And again, how would she know that it was even there in the first place? Yeah. So it's weird. I don't know. Now, there's also the question of how did she climb up to the opening of the tank and move the heavy lid to get inside? Yeah. And then close it from the inside of the tower. Which I'm sure, like, shoot, there's probably space. between where you enter and the water. Right. So it's not like she's like right up to the thing. Exactly. She wouldn't be able to reach it. Exactly. Because there's nothing to hang on to in there, you know? I don't think so anyways. Who knows? But that just seems so weird. Now there's also like you were

saying it would have been a heavy lid, right? Yeah. So there's a lot of discrepancies about how heavy the lid is. And I couldn't find one source that was like, and we went there and tested it and it's this much weight. Here, it weighs this much. I'll judge later regarded it as 20 That's what I've heard. That's the one I've heard the most. What's mostly seen around. Yeah. Now, that's not that heavy.

But if you think about the position that she would have been in, that's really heavy. Especially to raise your hands above your head, I would think, and like, hoist yourself up and then move it. Like, that's a weird position. Well, if she, if it was indeed closed, like they say, that doesn't make sense. Right. She can't stand in water. Right. It's too, like that is too, it just doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any sense. She wouldn't be able to reach it at all. No. No, like, it's literally impossible. That's what I would think. So, I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. And then, like, was it slightly open when she, when she was discovered or was it closed?

Yeah. Like, what's the story? Because I guess if it was slightly open, you could argue that she slipped through and then never closed it. That would be the only way, because literally it's impossible to close that. But most of the time, when you read the story, it says that the lid was. closed. Like nine out of ten times, that's the story. Because why would it be halfway open? Right. That's the other thing. And I feel like they would have found like a bunch more shit in there if it was halfway open. It had been open for three weeks. You're in downtown Los Angeles. Right.

Right. Right. You're not leaving a water tank supply open. No. For that fucking air. Right. That would contaminate the shit out of that water. Exactly. The whole point of that thing is to keep it not contaminated. That's actually the entire point. So they wouldn't leave that open. Unless they're like super negligent. They did. And they are super negligent. But it's like, wow. I don't know.

And just for like reference, she was 5'4 and she was pretty petite. But I don't know. I guess she could have been strong. I just thought it was good to throw in there how tall she was. I mean, you can be strong, but it's just like positions wise. It just doesn't make sense. Right. Now we're going to talk about the autopsy because the autopsy itself led to even more questions.

So which that's actually the. opposite of what that's supposed to do, I think. Yeah, autopsies are supposed to provide answers. Yeah, you can confirm. Really what you're going for. I can confirm that. Her death was attributed an accidental, excuse me, was ruled an accidental drowning with bipolar disorder considered to be a contributing factor. Okay. So the bipolar disorder contribution came from the idea that she was experiencing some kind of psychosis due to her bipolar and like had some kind of break and ended up in the water tower. Okay.

Now, some people, not all, but some people who suffer from bipolar disorder experienced delusions and hallucinations. So like I said, the thought was that she may have been in a hallucinative state that led her to the water tower and led her to accidentally drown. So that's what that is. Now, some people argue it was clear that she was in a hallucinative state after watching the elevator footage. You can definitely argue that.

Definitely. For sure. But like I said, some people think that the elevator footage was edited and somebody was not in the footage. So that kind of like, that might have been the reason why it was edited to make her look like she was hallucinating. Yeah. Because maybe somebody knew that she had bipolar disorder and knew that that was kind of a symptom or something that somebody experiences. Yeah. For sure.

And they used it for their game. It's weird. I don't. No. And also, some people point. out that the elevator footage is really pixelated. I personally think that's just because it's fucking elevator surveillance. Yeah, it's CCTV footage. Right. But some people are like, it's really pixelated and like you can't see what she's saying, which is true. Yeah. But I don't think

you can really make out what people are saying most of the time. No, usually you can. Security. Now, the autopsy reports also showed that she might not have been taking her medication properly. I wondered that. Mm-hmm. So she took one of her antidepressants the day she died, but not her second antidepressants. She on two, and she did not take her antipsychotic. So many sources point out that not taking an antipsychotic and but taking your antidepressant can have really dangerous side effects and actually lead to a very high risk of experiencing mania or hallucinations. That makes sense. Yeah. Especially just cutting it off like that if she just didn't take it like full turkey. Exactly. Now, the other thing though is I know like people take medicines at different times of the day. So I

guess that could be a possible explanation. That's true. Maybe she had a different schedule going. Right. I don't know. But according to some sources, she's believed to have died around midnight. So it's like you would have taken all your medicine. Unless you were being kept somewhere where you weren't.

You didn't have access to your medicine. Just saying. The autopsy states that there's no foul play, which I don't know how you can say that when they weren't able to complete a full autopsy because of how badly decomposed she was. I guess they can just say it because technically she drowned. If there's no evidence of anything else, then they can't really speculate. That's true. But they also, if they did do a rape kit, they never recorded the report of what came up.

Honestly, three weeks in a water, you're not going to get much from a rape case. I actually, I wrote in my notes maybe the decomp factor. Yeah, three weeks in the water, I don't think you're going to see a whole lot. I literally have emboldened my notes. Elena, weigh in on that? Elena, weigh in. And also, they didn't test the fingernail kit. But, again, maybe the water.

It could have been tough. I don't know. I don't know. It seems like, I mean, three weeks of that water tank is. But you would think that you'd write that, like, not announced because of decomp. I don't know if it's just like, they assume it's just kind of like a given. Yeah. And also, I mean, it was, again, in California and like the hot sun up there, it's like that

tank was really cooking. Yeah. Yikes. So her parents actually filed a wrongful death suit against the CISO Hotel, which is now called the stay on Maine. A lot of people think that they changed their name because of what happened in 2013 to Elisa, but that's actually not true. A lot of sources show that it took place.

Excuse me, the name changed took place in 2011. Oh, okay. So that's not true. No, true. But anyway, back to the wrongful death suit. They stated that negligence on behalf of the hotel led to Elisa's death. The defense argued that there was no surveillance on the roof because there was. wasn't. Yeah. Which is weird. And then there was no evidence to suggest that that alarm was even

working. They're like, yeah, it's there, but is it working? And I guess they never like found out. Oh, shit. But the prosecution argued that Elisa herself was negligent and so was the family, which I'm like, you might want to choose your words differently. Yeah, you might not want to go after a grieving family. You're talking about somebody's dead daughter. Yeah, that's fucked. But okay. Now, the suit was actually dismissed because the judge stated that what happened was an unforeseeable tragedy. and that the area where it happened was off limits to guests anyway. So now let's get to the theories. Let's get to them.

That's the wild part of this case. It's a bread and butter here. It's all wild. So the first theory is obviously that she was murdered, but there's a lot of sub-theories as to who murdered her. Oh, okay. So the most obvious person would be someone who worked at the hotel. They would have been able to disarm the alarm,

and they would have known where the water tanks were. Because like you were saying, how would she even know that they were up there? True. Maybe she didn't, but somebody that works there knows that there's water tank. For sure. Now, like I said, there's also the edited surveillance footage. And I said earlier, some people believe that the hotel might have messed with the footage to protect one of their own. Okay. So, I don't know. And Elisa had written posts on Tumblr while she was staying at the hotel about people bothering her, like following her. And she referred to them as creepers. And she implied that

she might be being followed. Oh. So, and it seems like, If you watch the footage, it seems like she's somebody who feels like she's being followed. Oh, yeah. She seems very paranoid. Exactly. The creepy thing about her Tumblr page, too, this is going to give you like, it kept updating after she passed away. What?

And her phone was never found. They never found her phone, but her Tumblr kept updating itself. What the fuck? Now, that's huge. That's huge, but it can also be debunked. So I read in one source that she had lost it out of speakees. that she went to. So some people claim maybe somebody found her phone and like decided to take over her tumbler.

That doesn't seem to like the answer. There's also whoever her killer might have been, like took it and decided to keep updating her Tumblr, but that doesn't really seem likely to me. But a lot of people point to the option that Tumblr provides users to queue up their posts ahead of time. Oh, okay. So I never did that, but I don't, I wasn't like super into keeping my blog. Like I didn't have a lot of followers or anybody to impress.

But she was really into Tumblr. So maybe she did have it. She had them set up. Yeah. Either way, it's fucking weird. Either way it's weird. Right. When something like that happens and the person's dead, it's like super creepy.

I wish Tumblr could weigh in. I know. I could say, like, they should be able to see and be like, yeah, she had scheduled posts. I know. That's actually a good point. You think they should be able to. Like, what the fuck, Tumbler? Come on, Tumblr.

Hey, Tumblr, are you listening? What the fuck? What the fuck? Why don't you solve one of the greatest mysteries in true crime for us right now? Yeah. Damn, Tumblr. Excuse me? Hello? Do it. That'd be awesome. Tumblr like DMs us and they're like, we'd love if you would sponsor us and also get off our backs about this case.

Shut the hell up. Now, there's a lot of like far-fetched theories about other possible murders, but I feel like at this point of doing morbid. Nothing is like as far-fetched as I thought. No. So there's people who think that the LAPD was involved, which that's not far-fetched. Where's the far-fetched? I know. And they think that it was some kind of snuff film that she fell victim to.

Oh. But I feel like if that was the case, like somebody would have leaked the video by now. Do you think or do you not think? I mean, if it's involving, you know, the LAPD, I don't, I can't really. No, that's all we'll say on not. I'm just like, I know, because we've talked about the LAPD for. I can't really like, I mean, I don't know. I just, I just don't. I don't really put a lot past. members of the LAPD. No. At some people we know. At ex-boyfriend. But no, because the other thing is, like we said, they went out there and they searched the hotel and they were on the roof.

Yeah. Like, I don't know if you would think to, I mean, you're a police officer. You would think to look everywhere. Why didn't they look in the water tanks? You would think to be like, hey, what are these big tanks with the ladder? Yeah, like, somebody could have, like, put a body in there. I mean, I would think. I would think it. I would think it, but the LAPD might not. I feel like they're trained to think that way.

They're trained to do a lot of things. That's very true. So anyways, let's get away from that before we get sued. There's also people who think that witches or Satanists are to blame. Oh, I don't want to believe that. Us, the witches. Oh, no. I also love how you find, like, witches and Satanus together. It's like, it's the witches and the Satanus. It's like hanging out. They worship two completely different things. And in two different ways. And in two very different ways. Very two favorite things. But okay. So that's cool. But yeah, they have coffee sometimes. Yeah, exactly. They like it black. But that theory comes from the fact that she was believed to have been murdered on January 31st. And the next day is considered a holiday to witches. Because February 1st is called Imbulk or Bridget's Day, which is a gala holiday. And it's recognizing the beginning of spring. Oh, that sounds wonderful. That's the thing. It sounds like beautiful. Yeah. But for one reason or another, people got it in their heads that, a human sacrifice is necessary the night before spring.

I think they're just like cool. Springs coming, flowers. Yeah. Earth. Exactly. Now, this theory is also supported by people who claim that Alistair Crowley wrote a poem about Elisa, but he would have written it before she was even born. So, like, that doesn't really make a lot of sense.

Yeah. That seems legit. The poem is fucking weird. And, like, it does correlate to her. It kind of checks out a little. It does check out a little. And I think he was into magic. So maybe he knew that she was going to exist.

I don't know. I don't know. The theories got weird in my brain. I just don't know. I feel like a conspiracy theorist right now. Yeah, you got to be for a minute. I know, right? So I'm going to read the poem to you.

Yeah, I was going to say, please read me that poem. So let my lamp, lamp, at midnight hour. I don't know about that one. No, I know. At midnight hour, been seen in some highly tower. Okay. Water tower. Where I may outwatch the bear, the spirit of Plato to unfold what worlds or vast regions

hold the immortal mind that hath forsook her mansion in the fleshy nook. I'm going to go ahead and debunk that one. Not one thing if that makes any sense to this case. I don't think so either. Now, I wrote, but what does it all mean? That's what I wrote. You would have to do like Olympic mental gymnastics to make that work. And so I did. So I did it. I'm just like looking at what other people said about it. The other mental gymnastic Olympians. There you go. So the first line is, about being alone and being seen in a highly tower is creepy because the water tower. Yeah. And then her mansion in the fleshy nook. Some people say that she was found naked and that water tower is a nook.

So it's a flushy no. It's a lot. I don't know. Guys, no. Yeah. It's wrong. But it was worth putting in here. You can't get there. Yeah. But here is another weird thing though. I'm ready. It's like not that weird if you really think about it. And I feel like you just ruined it. So I hit my mind is too logical. It is. It's way too logical. And I'm like full of whimsy. So I'm like, maybe Alastair Crowley knew what the fuck was up with this. That poem I like didn't believe, but this is weird. He founded, it's like a religion or like a physiological way of thinking. I think I said the wrong word.

But it's called Thelima, Thilema, I don't know. And it revolves around a demon named lamb. Okay. Yeah, so I knew you weren't going to really think a lot about that. I mean, because there's also like millions of lambs that exist on planet Earth. L-A-M though, not L-A-M-B. Okay. So I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. Okay. So I wrote after that. I just wrote goodbye after that because I was like really done with that period. I think, you know what? I'm still on the LAPD. I think so too.

Yeah. So far that's the winner for me. So like I said, I wrote goodbye after that. And then I wrote hello again. Hello, we're back. I was done with that. So now we're going to talk about the invisible light agency. Now this is almost like a diet love pass kind of thing.

Bring me in. Yeah. This one is cool. I don't want to. to say that. Cool in like the worst way. Exactly. Okay. So this one is crazy. And it's wildly terrifying, especially after, oh, because I'm so afraid of invisible things because of the movie, the invisible man. It fucked me up this year. That movie's great. And you know what? I feel like technology has come a really long way. And maybe there is invisible technology. I mean,

you never know. I mean, the idea for that movie came from somewhere. You know what I'm saying? There's some great minds working on really terrible things. I was going to say there's also some evil minds and maniacal minds. So here's the deal. Elisa had either tweeted or put something on Facebook, depending on the surgery, about a new invisible cloak technology. And that led people to believe that she had been corresponding with military members who knew of the same technology. And they were going to start using it in the military. Okay.

Weird. Or she was just reading Harry Potter. Perhaps. Now, what's weird is that there's a location on Google Maps called the Invisible Light Agency, and it's located inside the hotel. Okay. Excuse me? It's located inside the hotel, but no, like, everybody's like, no, there's no invisible

light agency here. But like, no invisible light agency here. Nothing to see. Like, knock twice if you're down. So here's the other thing. I don't know how easy it is to add a location to Google Maps. So. I don't need you.

I don't know. I don't know. I've never tried to do it. Me either. And I feel like it has to be approved by like somebody who checks out that it's a real thing. I would think so. But also I feel like if you're like an underground secret society kind of deal, you're not necessarily going to put yourself on Google Maps. Yeah, that wouldn't be my first thing. No, definitely not mine, but you know, do you. So that's cool. I don't know. So. That's interesting. But the thing that's scary is that people like say it checks out because Elisa's odd behavior in the elevator. Is she hiding from someone that none of it. of us can see. Oh. Yeah, honey. I don't know. Oh, now I want to go back and see if there's any like, you know, disruption. I did like eight times and I don't see anything. And, but this is the thing, because it's like she couldn't see them either. So that explains why her back was against the wall and she was hiding in the corner. Like, it's literally the Invisible Man movie, but in IRL. Oh. In, in real life. In real life. I don't know. And it's like, did she know too much about the technology and like the purposes behind it because she was talking to these people too much. Is that why she wanted to

go to the Cecil? I like this one. I like this one. I don't know. And maybe someone was afraid of her letting too much info loose when she went back to Canada. Because remember, she's not from America. Oh, shit. Uh-huh. Now, honey, I didn't even find this anywhere. This was in my own motherfucking noggin. Is that what the particles are found all over her? Are those the particles to build the invisible man suit, but they don't work in water, so that's why they popped up in water. I don't know. My noggin wonders. Get the fuck out of here.

I mean. Holy shit. Is that what the particles were? Because nobody's like, what the fuck were the particles? Oh my God. That's what it was. I'm a fucking investigator. Holy shit.

Okay. So the next one. Wow. Yeah, that one, I mean, pretty fucking strong if you ask me. I don't know how we can get out of that one. Invisible light agency, don't come after me. I don't know anything. Don't know anything.

I'm never going to L.A. now. Sorry. Nope. No. This next one also puts to murder. And so at the time, there was like a huge outbreak of TB tuberculosis in the area. Oh, yes. And conspiracy theorists believe that Alisa might have, this one's wild. She might have fallen victim to bioterrorism. Okay. Now this one, honestly, I'm not going to lie to you. This one confuses the shit out of me. So if you want to look more into this, do it on your own because Mama was like, I'm done. Now, so this is weird because the test for TB, strangely enough, is named Lamb-Aly Oh yes, that's true. Which is weird. We talked about that on crime. Yeah, we did. So, okay, some people think that she had TB and they were testing different things on her. And again, people point to the elevator surveillance because I guess people suffering from tuberculosis can become like really confused and disoriented.

But I don't, I don't know. I just don't think so. I mean, I'm not going to rule that one out. Yeah, I don't know. It's incomplete. It's incomplete. You need to look more into it in your own because, to be honest with you, it was confusing the fuck out of me. I mean, I have to look into that one because that one I'm like not ready to throw away.

But it is, I mean, now that I think of it, that could have explained her weird behavior in the hostel too. And like maybe the whole time. Exactly. And maybe she had tuberculosis before she went to America. Yep. And that's what she was going to America for. and then all this bad shit happened. They were like, oh, this didn't work out.

Gotta throw you in the water tower. Got to throw you in the water tower. And then after she died, there was... So I don't know if there was... I think the outbreak was after she died, actually. Oh, okay. Because people think that it happened because so many people were subjected to drinking the water. That makes...

That pushes it even further. I know. Because the thing is actually, a lot of the people that stay at the hotel, like I said, it's like pretty, like, it's not expensive to stay there. So people on Skid Row, like, maybe are... staying at the hotel for a night if they round up enough cash. And then they're going back out to Skid Row and they're exchanging the TB. Oh. So maybe that's not as far-fetched as I thought, actually. That one, that one's not a throwaway one. I think I just needed to talk it through

out loud. I think you did. I don't think Annie wanted to hear about it. So she was actually snoring on the couch. She's like, I got to go. I mean, it's weird that her name is the test. Yeah, that's strange. But it's, it was that way, like even before she was born. She was. Which is strange. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know.

That one's a good one, I think. It is a good one. Now, one of the last, in my opinion, the creepiest fucking theories, and if you have looked into this, you know it. You've been waiting for me to say it. The elevator game. Oh, this one I was excited to hear about. This one freaks me the fuck out.

So apparently a lot of people in Korea play this game. And it's also known to go around Tumblr a bunch. So that makes sense of why she would have found it. So here's the instructions. I found this on a website that I'll post. So I'm going to read the whole entire thing to you. So instructions. This is a game from Korea.

By performing this ritual, you're supposed to get to a different world. According to people that have successfully completed the game, it looks the same as the town or building that you're from. But all the lights are off and you can see a red cross in the distance. There are no other living things there except yourself. Some say electronics like phones, cameras, etc. don't work. some say they do. Also, some say that getting back into the real world is harder for some reason. You get disoriented and forget the elevator you came on or somehow the elevator seems to get further and further away as you walk towards it. Question. Yes, what's up? Why would you do this?

I don't know, but it's like, I have to move because my hip hurts because I'm geriatric. Oh my God. What's the upside? I don't know, but it's like, think of, well, you get to go to like another world. You're like, holy fuck, I've been to another world. But like another world that's just pitch black with a red corrales in the distance and you can't find your way home. Well, I'm also like, how do you know that it looks like your world if it's pitch black there? No, yeah, none of that. It doesn't make a lot of sense. I just don't see a reason to do that.

I don't either. But, you know, I guess some people do. So here's how to do it. I'm literally reading you like the instruction manual. You must be in a 10 plus story building. Now, I think the Cecil's 15 stories high. and in the elevator alone. If someone is in the elevator with you, it will not work.

Oh, bummer. She was alone. So there are nine steps. Are you ready? Number one, get on the elevator on the first floor. Number two, press four, and when you reach the fourth floor, you don't get out and press two. When you reach second floor, press six. When you reach six floor, press two.

When you reach second floor, press 10. When you reach the 10th floor, press five. When you reach the fifth floor, a girl will come in. This woman is not human. Don't talk to her or look at her. If you do, she'll take you away. Yeah, I don't have to tell me twice. Nope, not doing it.

I don't talk to people in elevators to begin with. Honestly, I don't make eye contact with people that I'm like next to having full long conversations with. Now I'm going to assume they're just not human and going to rip me out of this world. Oh, after this, I'm never going on another elevator ever again. Also, one time I got stuck in an elevator and it was a huge bummer. Gross. So also, you have to press one.

and if the elevator instead starts going to the 10th floor, you have succeeded. So if you press one and you get to the 10th floor, you win. Oh, good. You will have reached another world when you get there. And when you get there, no one's there except you. So maybe the goal's peace and quiet. I was just going to say, maybe it's for parents of toddlers. I don't know.

Now, if you get to the 10th floor, the girl will ask, where are you going? Don't answer her. Oh, good. Okay. I was going to say, I don't know. Honestly, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't answer. Rude. Now, this is how you return.

If the woman doesn't get on the elevator and if you don't get off at the 10th floor, you never really made it to the other world, so you're still in this world. Cool. Now, if you don't get off at the 10th floor and then press 1. If you don't get off at the 10th floor, then press 1. If it doesn't press, keep on pressing until it works. Okay. So just like hope for the best that you're going to get back to this world.

Yeah. So, yeah, some people think that. that Elisa went to this world and she was like super disoriented when she got back and that she somehow ended up climbing into the water tower by accident. I don't know if she thought it was like a portal to back to this world or yeah. That's not in the instructions. I don't know. I think this is very far-fetched. I think it's just fun for the people who like the paranormal. Wow. Yeah. And then the last I'm going to go ahead and cross that one off the list. Well, and the other thing is like you look at the surveillance,

surveillance. The surveillance. And you see that she's just pressing like a bunch of fucking buttons all at once. This is not like a methodical like press two, then press five. The elevator's not moving. I was going to say the door net floor. Unless you support the idea that the footage is edited.

Yeah. I don't know. And they edited out the other world. I mean, it can't get out, Elena. Don't make fun of the other world. It could be around. I don't go into it. I don't.

There was like a Disney movie at one point and you would get to another world. And I can see it in my head. It was all white. And then there was like almost like these like clothes lines and like all these like, I don't know if it was like movie posters. I also don't know if this was just a nightmare that I had when I was a child. I wish everybody could see Ash just like she's gazing off into the distance as she explains this and she's miming things.

The different things. To me. There's a clothes line. Yeah. And there's all these different things hanging. And I think somebody has a ball. Someone has a ball. I don't know.

I don't know that one. Maybe someone else does. Too much about me. Was that a Disney movie? Probably not. Was it a nightmare I had? Yes. I don't know. So, get serious. The final theory is that she completed suicide. Oh, that's the sadest theory. It is fairly sad, like, obviously. But I think it's also very far-fetched because how would she know that the water tower was up there?

And it's like, this is horrible to say, but like, would she not just jump out the window like so many people had done before her? Yeah, to me, the suicide thing doesn't. If I'm going to go anywhere near that kind of thing, it's going to be accidental to me. Exactly. But even that is weird. But even that's weird because it's like, how did you wander up there? I don't know. I just don't know.

I just don't know. It bothers me that I still have no fucking idea after reading countless, countless motherfucking articles and books about this. I'm voting for that invisible light scenario or the LAPD. I mean, same. The invisible light one, the particles. Or, yeah, that one really works. But the other thing that's really, unfortunately, seems very likely is that she was hallucinating

and possibly was off her medication and just wandered out there. It was an accident. It just wandered out, was hallucinating, maybe not understanding what was happening, and just wandered up there. Yeah. I would hate for, I mean, I would hate for any of this to be true because it all ends with her dying horrifically in a water tower. So none of them are good. But then again, if she was hallucinating and she went out there, how'd she close the water tank?

Well, that's the thing that really. But then it's also like, was it closed? I don't know because everybody wants to be a motherfucking liar on the internet. If it was closed, then I don't support the accident that she did it herself. No. If it was slightly open. If it was closed, I think it was the invisible lights agency. I think so too.

I don't know. I'm just saying. I don't know. I don't know anything about that. What do you guys think? Yeah, I can't wait to hear what you have to say. You got to tell us. So yeah.

I'll post some pictures and you can look at them on our Instagram. At Morbid Podcast. We go on Twitter a lot. I like Twitter so much better. So at a Morbid podcast. Or you can, I don't remember what my Twitter name is. What's my Twitter name? I think it's Elena to the Max.

Yeah. Your Twitter's hilarious. Come follow me at Elena to the Max. And look for Starbucks to shout my Twitter out. Yeah, there you go. Also, they didn't offer me any free coffee. They just wanted to know if they could use my tweet. And I was like, yeah, for the small price of a lifetime of free coffee.

And I love that they were like, can you follow us, Asch? I was like, hey, fuckers, I've followed you for years. But did you tweet about the fact that you like when they're compliments you? I don't know. I think it's bullshit. Did you hear that noise? Yeah, it was a chair downstairs. That was weird.

I feel like I'm in another world right now. Oh my God, am I? What else do we have? Twitter and send us a Gmail about all the tangents that we went on in this episode. Orbit podcast at gmail.com. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you travel to the U.S. to have a really nice time and it doesn't end up

being a nice time and for the rest of ever, everybody wonders what happened to you. What happened, Elisa? Elisa, I need to know. Bye. Bye.