Morbid - Listener Tales 83

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Weirdos! Get cozy and get ready to listen to our 83rd batch of Listener Tales! They're brought to you BY you, FOR you, FROM you, and ALL ABOUT YOU! In this episode we have a family of witchy women, get visits from spirits of four-legged family who passed over the rainbow bridge, abandon a morally tainted valentine birthday cake, and get AGGRESSIVELY RSVP'd by an entity from another realm!

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. I'm Elena. And I'm Bailey Sarian. And this is like the best episode of Morbid that you're ever going to listen to. Yay, I'm so excited. We are so excited to have you here. Thank you so much for coming on. Yeah, thank you.

No, thank you for inviting me. And thank you for like shouting me out a handful of times throughout the podcast. I appreciate it. Everyone's letting me know. They were like, the Morbid podcast. Do you listen to them? you have to listen to them. They mentioned your name.

And I was like, oh my God, are you serious? I love it. It's just a big love fest up in here. It is. We're just fan girling over here. Yes. So I'm fan girling too. So we're all just fan girling together.

Love fest. We love it. Hopefully the listeners are fan girling too. And there you go. I hope so. I know. I know it's so funny because we were just saying like before we started recording so many people have been tweeting lately like, oh, like we would love to like, especially

since your podcast just aired like, now it's going to happen, a collab between you guys. And I'm like, uh-huh, maybe someday. Now I'm like, yep, it's happening. I know. We've been like, I don't know. Maybe. Let's all hope. Who knows? I'm like trying not to answer them, but also just be weird about it and just like, yeah, I don't know. Just be like vague tweeting at everyone. Like, maybe with like a little like. Exactly. Exactly. There's some sparkles at the end of it. Always. That's my signature. I love it. Sparkle. Yeah. I love. I love. A black heart and a sparkle was usually what I sign everything with. It's a good emoji.

Email but sparkly at the same time. Yes, exactly. You get it. The perfect sides of your personality together. Sparkly emo kid. It just translate into ash. You got to put a rock symbol in there. That's always my favorite.

That's always my favorite. I love it. But we actually, like we mentioned, you have a new podcast called Dark History. And for the maybe like two people listening who don't. know who you are or know what this is about. Do you want to tell us a little bit about it? Get people psyched. Sure, two people. Hey, two people. Yeah. You too. So, guys, listen up. So I just started this podcast called Dark History, which maybe you guys have come across this when researching true crime, but I know I did on my end when researching

for my murder mystery and makeup. I would come across a ton of stories that happened throughout history that were just insane, like so brutal. I wanted to talk. about it, but it kind of didn't fit into the true crime space. And I would always just come across a bunch of stories that I'd never heard of. And it's like, why didn't I hear about this in school? I don't get it. Like, it seems so important to just our American history. I don't know.

So I was, like, wanting so bad to start another series on my channel, just dedicated to all, like, history stories instead. And then I was, it was presented to me, like, why don't you do a podcast? Everybody's been asking for a podcast. And I was like, okay, let's make it a podcast. version. So this time I'm just sitting down talking about history throughout, well, it's kind of like world history, a lot of American history as well, which is stuff that you've never heard of, but I think is really important. And then obviously there's still that kind of true crime side to

it because there's a lot of, there's a lot of murder going down. A lot of shenanigans. Mm-hmm. A lot. So much nonsense happening. So many like shenanigans. Yeah. And it's just like so wild. to think of. And I don't know. I feel like it's just stuff that we should know, though, because it actually still happens today. A lot of the stuff we talk about. It's so wild. Yeah, like history repeats itself, for sure. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's just mind-blowing how spot on we are as humans, like constantly just succeeding. And it's like, wow, we've really learned nothing. That's what we're learning here. Literally, after all this time, we're still doing the same things. Yeah. We are still fighting over the same stupid shit. Oh, can I cuss? Sorry, I didn't even know. Oh, absolutely. Oh, okay. Go for it.

We like welcome that. Yeah. But still, it's just, we're so embarrassing as humans. It's like, what are we so upset about? Exactly. Because it happens to us all the time. We'll do a case, like a more recent case. And all of a sudden we'll be like, you know what, this is exactly like that weird case we did from like the 1860s that we covered. Yeah. And we're like, why are people still doing this shit? Like, why is this the exact same thing? It's wild. Yeah.

It always is the same thing. It either has to do it with religion, love, or like a woman getting out of hand. Yes, always. Yeah. And money is always sprinkled in there. And jealousy, all that stuff. Yeah, always. And then just, of course, like hate with history, it's just all racism.

That's all it is. Like, that's everything. Yeah. It's so true. It's so random. It's like, okay, so we've just hated people forever. and that's just what we're doing. Yeah, like we're not going to grow at all.

We're not going to just try and work together. I thought that would be like the winning piece here. I don't know. Seriously. We're all just going to rest on those laurels and see where it takes us. We're like, we're all surviving now. We might as well just keep going on this dark path we're down. It's so funny though that we're saying that.

Because when we were in Salem yesterday, we went to go, like, do all like the witchy stuff in Salem. And they were like, oh, like basically everybody just hated these people and said that they were witches. is. And it's like, think of all the other times that that's happened. Oh, yeah. It's all the same thing. Yeah, nothing's changed. Yeah, no. They have a whole exhibit about like modern day witch hunts now. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. And it's, when you see it, it just is like, yep. And you're like, oh, the same thing still happening. It all goes hand in hand. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's a really cool exhibit, though. Everybody should go to Salem. Yeah. I really want to go for sure. It's really, it's like, it's heavier than you think it's going to be. Yeah, really. Yeah, because there's a lot of

Like the whole city is like witch themed and like spooky stuff and everything has to do with it. And it's like super like, you know, kitsy and fun. But then when you go to like the real historical places, you know, like the memorials. The memorial for the victims and all that. It's like all of a sudden you get like, whoosh. You just feel the way. This is not exactly fun. This is like very, very sad.

This is super tragic. But I think everybody should go see it because it's amazing. So it goes from like being Disneyland and you're like, oh yeah, wait, this is a real story. Like, oh, because it doesn't feel real. The entire time you're there, you know, seeing these things, seeing all the witch stuff, it like never rings true. And then when you start hearing the stories and you go to the graveyard, you go to the memorials and you're like, wow, this really happened to 19 people.

That's insane. Wow. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah, I highly recommend it to anybody. That's my little plug for sale in Massachusetts. But we'll switch gears to something like a little bit happier, you know. obviously people know you for like doing makeup on YouTube and putting it into a true crime kind of

space. So how do you how did you think to kind of like combine those two things? So, um, well, do you remember the Chris Watts case? I feel like, yes. Yes. It's mandatory for everyone to know that. And the true. Yeah. It's just the absolute worst. I was like obsessed with that case. And I would stay up until four or five in the morning trying to research everything thinking I'm going to solve it. This was before everything came to. light but I was like, I have to figure out like what happened. And I just had all of this built up knowledge on the case. And I had nobody to talk to you about it with because no one in my family gives a crap like I do. Not that it's a bad thing, but like I'm just obsessed with it.

Oh, yeah. So I just like- You need somebody to commiserate with about these things. Yeah, we get it. That's why we needed each other. Yeah, exactly. We're like the ghouls. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you're just like, I need to talk to somebody about this. Like, yeah. So then I was like, okay, I'm just going to film a YouTube video where I'm doing my makeup so it makes sense to my YouTube channel because I was doing all makeup tutorials. But then I'm going to talk about the Chris Watts case and like see what happens. And I was kind of nervous at first because I thought the feedback is not going to be good. So I kept stalling for a while.

And then finally I was like, okay, I'm just going to do it and see what happens. And like within the first 24 hours, I had gotten like 60,000 views. And that for a little was like, yeah. Because I was averaging at like maybe 10,000 views. and 60,000 was like, oh my God. Massive. Yeah, that's huge. Yes, I was like, this is it.

Like, I am quitting my job. 60,000 views. I'm not coming in today. I have 60,000 views. Sorry. New life, okay? New life. But I was like, okay, maybe it's just a one-off, you know,

because that was such a popular case. So I was like, let me just try it again with a different story I know. And I just kept going, and here I am. I'm just still going. trying it and it's still working. And it's so good. It's so good.

It is. It's such a perfect mashup of two things that you don't think would go together. No. Because I remember I had not, I learned who you were through Ash when we first started this actually. Yeah. It was like way long time ago. And I was like, what?

Like that's crazy. And then I watched the first episode and I was like, this is amazing. Why has no one else done this? This is like peanut butter and jelly. it's supposed to go together. And it's so funny too, because, like, I would listen to true crime podcast like while I did my makeup. And then I heard about you and I was like, I can listen to a true crime podcast and get a makeup tutorial all at one second.

Like, that's amazing. It's perfect. Yeah. It's so fun. It's still like, it kind of still doesn't make sense, but the same time it does. It just works. And it was like the key thing was, for one, I never really wanted it to be about the makeup so much. Like, I don't acknowledge the makeup because I felt like, okay, that would be like crossing the

line if I'm talking about someone getting chopped up and I'm like ooh this highlighter. Yeah, of course. So I try to like never really mention the makeup so much so I keep it more about the story. But I think the makeup makes sense because it kind of gives you something to watch too. And you're like, where is this going? Like what is she doing? That's true. I think you do a really good job of like balancing it.

Yeah, which honestly I kind of hate that I did this to myself because doing your makeup at the same time as telling a story is freaking hard. I always think of that. I'm like, I can't even like remember to make eye contact with Elena most of the time when I'm telling her a story. Like I can't imagine doing a video and being like putting on a full face. Yeah. In fact, in fact, there was a point where I had to take make sure Ash had nothing around her to like hold onto and like tap on the thing or something because like while we were doing the recording. I have the worst ADD ever. And I end up like picking things out of the couch. Like I could never do something focused while I'm focusing on telling a story. So I don't know how. I don't know how you do it because multitasking.

Seriously. I know. I can barely do my makeup when I don't have to tell a story while I'm doing it. So I don't know how you do the two. I know. And I feel like there are some days I'm like, oh, I got this. This is easy. And then there's other days when I'm just tripping up left and right and like, who's John Jacob?

You're like crap. You know what? Hold on a second. There are some many times. You must have to like go back and like because when we record, it's like if we need to stop really quick, we just hit stop. And we're like, boop. And it's like quick. But you have so much more going into it.

So it's like every time I watch it, I'm like so much went into this. Seriously. And no one knows, but so much went into this. Yes. Yes. People think it's just like me sitting down for like 30 minutes and I record and then I upload it. I'm like no.

Yeah. It's like four hours of footage of me. Oh yeah. Wait, what? Where am I? What? Hold on. And then like probably like days and days of editing.

I can't imagine. No, it's the research that takes freaking forever. Oh. Yeah. We know all about that. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's fun, though. Do you guys really enjoy it? Oh, yeah. It's so much fun. Because like you said, I think we were saying, again, before we started recording, you just fall into these, like, little holes and you're like, oh my God, it's like 5am and I've been here for like seven hours. Okay. I know. And then it becomes a thing where you get so invested in one case. Like you start being obsessed with it, even more and more. So you start going further and further. And by the end of it, you're like, I should get back on track with this because I need to make an episode instead of just like going crazy into it. Or you think you know the episode and then you start looking into research and you're like, wow, I know nothing. Like there's so many layers to this. That happens so often. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That actually happened to me with the case that we're going to talk about today. We're going to do the Long Island Lolita. And I thought that I knew this case because I had seen like I was telling you before the Lifetime movie. Oh, yeah. And I was like, oh, I know everything. That tells me all of it. That's all I need to know.

That's my research. It's like the crown. It's real. Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. But then I was looking into it and I was like, oh, oh, okay. Like there's a lot that I did not know about this. Oh yeah.

Just the name alone. Like we were just talking about it. Long Island Lolita is so like scandalous sounding. Yeah. And it focuses entirely like we were saying before we started recording. It focuses entirely on the wrong piece of the puzzle. I feel like it's a good reminder as like how far we've come. Because I think we forget.

But the media used to be so much more mean to us women. Right? Oh, yeah. Like vicious. Nineties was like prom. time time to just like hate on women in the media. We were just the worst. It was another witch hunt. Oh, absolutely.

I mean, just look at Britney Spears. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yeah. It was vicious. It was disgusting. And like looking back at this case, I'm like, oh, my God. Because I remember following the story and then thinking, wow, what a slut. Like, what an awful person. She ruined that marriage.

And now that I'm older, because I was young back then, I'm like, now that I'm older, I'm like, oh, my God, we did her so wrong. This whole case, they did it. She's a child. And I was the exact same way. When this first came out, I was young. And so you hear it in the media. And the first thought I had was like, how dare she?

Right. This is just like, you know, it's, it. And it was focusing on the wrong part. I was like, how dare you sleep at that married man? It's like, no, there's a pretty big other part to this. Yeah. Exactly. There's a lot of, there's a lot of things in here that we need to focus on.

Absolutely. Let's get into it, guys. Let's do it. All right. So Amy Fisher, this is, she is the. Long Island, Lolita. Now, she was born August 21st, 1974. Her parents were Elliot and Roseanne Fisher. And she grew up in Merrick, New York, which is about 30 miles away from where Joey Buttafouca and his wife lived. Oh, boy. So she was 16 years old when she met Joey. It was the springtime, I think it was

May of 1991. And he was the owner of a car shop, and it just so happened that they were going out there to get the family car fixed. So Amy and her dad drove to Joey's shop, and it was the first. time they laid eyes on each other. It would have been like a really cute meet cute if Joey wasn't a 38 year old married man with two children and if she wasn't 16. Yeah, it would have been great. But I hate that. And like with her dad. And with her dad coming in to get the family car fixed. Exactly. Now a little bit about it is. It's a lot. A little bit about Joey and Mary Joe though. He had married his wife back after they met in high school. They actually met in summer school and I thought that was like the cutest thing ever.

I was like, I feel that real hard. But they had built a really nice life together. He worked for his family's business and then eventually ended up acquiring the business. They were like making good money and they had a nice life. But in the beginning of things, they were kind of like just dabbling in drugs. Like they were again really young when they got together. And Mary Jo found out that she was pregnant and she was like, okay, I'm done with that life, obviously. Like I'm not going to do that anymore.

And she had never really become addicted to anything in the first place. But Joey, on the other hand, was having a really hard time trying to transition into his life as like a family man. And he kept like doing cocaine pretty regularly with his friends. And Mary Jo was like, yeah, like if we're going to have a family and be married, you can't be doing that. So she just like threw an ultimatum at him. And it was his family or the drugs. Luckily, he chose his family the first time. Hey, one good thing.

One good thing out of here. One positive with Joey. And he went to rehab and he ended up getting clean. And once that was over, he came home to the, or he came home and was the old Joey that Mary Jo like remembered meeting. She had no idea, though, that Joey and Amy would eventually become involved with each other. And once the truth started coming to light, she actually stood by her husband for years, still trying to like only believe the best about him. Mary Jo is like a little angel. She's like the nicest woman ever, I feel like.

Yeah, that breaks my heart. It's so sad. So after seeing Joey, Amy pretty much became. obsessed with him and she decided to bring her own car into the shop. At the time she was driving a Dodge Dakota that had seen like fair share of accidents. I think she was a very bad driver. And then so Joey agreed to fix it up for her. But then she continued getting into accidents on purpose being like, oh, I just have to go to Joey's shop again and he can fix up my car. I didn't even know that. Yeah, she actually like admitted it later on. Really?

Yeah. That's cool. Well, I mean when you're 16 and you're infatuated with someone, you go out of your way to find that, to see that. You will go to great lengths. I remember when I was in middle school, I liked this one boy and I would walk by his class at the same time, like every day. And I'd be like, like, looking back on that now, I'm like, wow, that's like psychotic that I did that. It's so creepy. I did the same thing. I would be like, oh, I'm just in the area. So crazy. He at the same time every day and it happens to be near your classroom. And my classroom may be on the other side, but what? I'm just getting my steps in today.

Risk walk. Heart health is important. Cardio. Exactly. I did the same exact thing. I would come down actually after lunch a certain stairway because a guy I had a crush on. We used to work in the office during that period. So I could just, and it was literally to walk by to look at him.

Oh, yeah. Not even to have an interaction. And like hope that maybe he saw you in your cute outfit that you prepared for weeks. Yeah. As he was like filing papers. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

go to great lengths. Young love. I know. We're so dumb. We're such little stalkers when you're a teenager. We are. Looking back, you're like, oh, man. It's a rite of passage.

It's so much fun while you're in it. Yeah. It's part of development. You learn that that behavior's not okay when you're an adult. Exactly. You're like, okay, I won't stock him anymore. Right. But Amy was full on in that whole like stalking period of her life.

And actually her dad got to the point where he was like, yeah, like Amy's a pretty crappy driver. So you know what? Here's my car. just fix her car if she gets in an accident. Like I don't want to deal with it. So she was good to go. And she was telling people at school that like her and Joey were a thing.

And every chance she got, she would stop by. Eventually, and I don't really know like how it all happened, but eventually one thing led to another. And they ended up sleeping together and then entering a full blown affair with each other that lasted almost a year and a half. And it's hard because I don't really want to say that like they slept together because she was like a child and he was an adult. So it's like he did rape her, you know. So that's definitely rape. She is not of age. No.

And he was horrible to her. He was not only like a crappy husband, but a shitty boyfriend as well because he refused to leave his wife, which like is a good thing, but not when you're having an affair. And then the other thing was that like Amy would ask him for money sometimes. And he told her instead of asking him for money that she should become an escort and she would make plenty of money. And then she ended up actually doing that. But it was like him who got her into it. As a 16 year old. As he's 16 year old.

It's so sad. That's so gross. He held way too much influence. Seriously. I mean, now on the morning. Oh, sorry.

I was going to say it's sad because for her, she's just looking for some kind of validation, some male approval. So she's just doing whatever she can to like please this loser. Exactly. And if he's telling her this is what you need to do or this is what I want you to do, she's going to do whatever it is. Yeah, totally.

She just wants to keep like doing whatever's going to make him happy. Because I remember an interview with, I think it's Amy, where she went on to say that her father was just like really awful, that they had a really terrible relationship. Oh, so that. Yes. Yeah. And she said that she was terrified of him and that she became like sexually active at a young age, getting like involved with older men. And it makes sense to the overall story. Like she doesn't have a relationship with her dad.

So she's trying to get love and approval from these older men who in her mind, she's not putting the dots together yet, but like it's her dad that she's trying to get it from, right? Of course. Right. And then this Joey guy, he's like the definition of her dad. He's awful. He's an asshole.

He's just using her. And she's just trying to like get that approval from him. She did awful things, Amy. But like, you know, this isn't. But she was so young. Yeah. Yeah. The frontal lobe wasn't even developed yet, guys.

Yeah. Yeah. And obviously there is some trauma. back there with all that. And it's, yeah. Yeah. And she's been groomed her entire life, clearly. Oh, absolutely.

To try to please this awful man that is her father. And so then it just like, it just translates right into, if she's not getting it from him, like love and approval. Support and love and all that, then she's going to go looking for it for someone else. And she's going to seek out the exact same person. Oh, yeah. She wants to write the situation, even though she doesn't even realize it, like you were saying. Like she's, like she.

She's not going to go find a nice guy and try to please him and try to make him happy and proud of her. She's going to try to make this situation work over and over again. The cycle always repeats itself. Always. And it seems like her parents kind of just wanted to buy her love. Like when she was 16, she got a brand new car. And then like the dad was like, oh yeah, here's my credit card. Like she gets into accidents a lot.

It's like, I'm not going to teach her to drive better or spend time with her or teach to take this as an opportunity to like bond and spend some time together. Exactly. Just here's my card. Next time she slams into a tree, just fix it. Yeah. Maybe we should be a little more concerned here. Let's do a driver retraining course, Amy. Take it as an opportunity to get closer to your daughter.

When you're a teen, though, that's like the best answer ever. Like, oh, you just want to fix it? Nice. Like I'm not in trouble. Yeah. Hell yeah. I would have loved that. I got into so many accidents when I was younger and I was like, oops.

Yeah. It's amazing though. When you like get past that age and you look back at like what? the back at like what would have pleased you like just getting the credit card to fix everything back then and then you get older and you're like oh my god like like learned anything that's so bad yeah why did i think that way because you're dumb yeah it's that frontal lobe man it's working on getting smarter that immature brain yeah but on the morning of may 19th 1992 that's when everything went down so amy was driven to joey's house after pretending that she was sick so that she could

leave school early. But she rang the doorbell hoping that Mary Jo was home. And when Mary Jo came to the door, she was like, oh, what's up? And Amy told Mary Jo that her name was Anne Marie. And she was there to tell Mary Jo that Joey was actually having an affair with her little sister. Now, Amy was an only child. Like this, none of this was true. But I think she was kind of trying to be like, your husband's a piece of shit. Yeah. Engage the reaction. Exactly. So looking at Anne Marie slash Amy, Mary Jo is very taken aback because she was like, if he, he's having an affair with this girl's little sister. Like, how old is she?

Because she looks super young. Like, how old is the girl that he's having an affair with? Oh. So the whole situation, though, just felt off to Mary Jo. Like, I think she was, like, kind of catching on that she wasn't telling the truth. Because she actually asked Amy where she lived. And Amy said one street, but pointed in the direction of, like, another street. And Mary Jo was like, yeah, no, like, that's definitely not.

Something's off here. Something's up here. And also, why is she showing up to be, like, Hey, my little sister. Yeah, exactly. I was having an affair with your husband. I'd feel like, why are you telling me this? Right.

And then the whole situation, like adding an extra layer felt off because she could see that there was a black thunderbird parked behind Anne-Marie slash Amy. And she was like, she saw like a young guy sitting there. And she was like, this just feels like super, super weird. Now, so Mary Joves, like, how old is your sister? And Amy said that her little sister was 16 and she had proof of this affair. And while she said that, she lifted up a shirt from Joey's auto-refer. repair shop that obviously was like kind of a smoking gun.

And she was like, I found this in my little sister's bed. So Mary Jo's like, damn. Okay, so there is something here to this. And she asked a couple of follow-up questions, but she just wasn't getting anywhere with this girl. And she was like, you know what? I really don't want to deal with this. And she said she remembered making like a smart ass comment and then turned to walk

away. And at that moment, Amy lifted up a gun and shot her in the head. Oh, God. So wild. It is. It's so wild. Like the escalation that happened. It's like, why?

And you have to wonder, you're like, why did you go there and like say, you know, your husband's having an affair with my little sister? Yeah. Because it seemed like the whole thing that she wanted to do was like kill Mary Jo anyways. Yeah. So it's like, I just don't understand that layer of it. Maybe she wanted her to like, maybe in some, I'm just totally like spitballing. Sure.

But clearly I don't know what's in her head. But it's like maybe she knew she was going to kill her. And she didn't want that weight on her shoulders. of she's going to know what I did right before she does. Yeah, that's true. Maybe she wanted to throw it on someone else and somebody who doesn't exist. Yeah. So she could kind of clear in some warped way because obviously there's some stuff going on up there.

Absolutely. Some warped things. And it's like maybe in some warped way she wanted to like clear that conscience a little bit and like take away that guilt she had. I could see that. Or like, you know, we were just saying like she needed an adult in her life to like tell her, you know, like the right and wrong thing to do. So I almost wonder if it was like she was going there and like she didn't realize it. But what she wanted was like Mary Jo to believe her and like help her out of the situation or something. Yeah.

You know what I mean? That could definitely be it. Like finally an adult will like help me instead of me trying to like please these adults and get nothing in return. Yeah. Or hearing this adult maybe like show some kind of like compassion for like the right person in this situation. You know what I mean? Like not automatically condemn them but be like this is awful. How about I help?

Do you think if she would have answered differently, like believed Amy? Like, oh my God, it's happening. Do you think she still would have shot her? I don't know because I, Loki just came up with that theory right now. Oh, okay. But that's really interesting. But it's a good point, yeah. Yeah, I wonder.

Like. Because you, yeah. Yeah, I wonder if her answer was different if she still would have shot her. But I thought at that point, like Amy had gotten an STD and from Joey and then she asked him to leave his wife. he said no and then she was like well fine I'm going to kill your wife and then so I saw like so many varying stories as to like what it was that she was like I'm going to kill your wife I saw that version and then I saw that she he was like encouraging her to kill his wife so that they could run away together and be a couple even though I don't even know how she thought that was going to happen

though because it's like you're 17 you haven't even graduated high school you live at home like how is this going to work well in these kind of situations I'm like you can get divorced like Like it's cool. You can separate. But he wanted his cake and wanted to eat it too. But that's what kills me. I'm like, it doesn't work. Like when you kill the spouse, it doesn't work.

Like I don't understand the thought process of like, it's going to work. Like this is all going to be fine. Right. I'm going to shoot her in the face in broad daylight in her home in front of her house. And no, it's fine. We're just going to live happily ever after. Yeah. Nothing's going to happen.

And for Joey to like encourage this and be like, nothing's going to come back to me. Nothing will be tracing. back to me. I've done nothing wrong. See, I don't think he encouraged her. I think she just said that, like, as a kind of using him as a scapegoat too. Like, if we're going down, we're going down together kind of thing. I wonder if he said it offhandedly. Like, if he was like, I mean, he's a character, so he might have. Who knows if he was just like, oh, if we just killed her, it would be so much easier, you know? Right. She took, she's young. She's impressive. She's going to take anything he says as Bible. So it's like, I think, I think he definitely maybe added a suggestion.

Like maybe if my wife wasn't around, we could be together. But since she's here, that's not going to happen. And then her teenage brain connected that as like, I just got to get rid of the wife. And then he wants to do with me. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And she was like he's subconsciously, like he's giving me a little code here. Like even if it was just like, oh, like I got it.

Wink, wink. Oh, yeah. Because again, you read into like everything at that age, you know. She was immediately like the eagle flies at midnight. I'm going to do this. Yeah. Yeah. So either way, she shot Mary Jo right in the head and Mary Jo fell onto the front steps,

just like bleeding out on her own front steps. And Amy Fisher ran to the Black Thunderbird being driven by Paul. I think it's Guagenti is how you say it. That's so ruthless, dude. It's cold. Because the other thing is, I mean, obviously we know that Mary Jo lived, but she was fully intending to kill her. It's amazing that Mary Jo survived this attack.

She was going to let her just die on her doorstep. bleed out on the front steps. So together they sped off and out. It was a really quiet neighborhood. That's the other thing. And I'm like, that took a lot of balls. You just sped off out of this like quiet suburban neighborhood. Now, after that, neighbors heard the gunshot and saw Mary Jo collapse on the front steps and

obviously called 911. And she was rushed to the hospital by a med flight. Like I said, like 52,000 times she survived. But she obviously didn't come out on skates. Her jaw had been shattered. nerves in her face were like destroyed leaving her face partially paralyzed and actually her carotid artery was severed. Damn.

Which is weird. I feel like the case that we covered earlier in the week is like parallels this case a little bit. Yeah, that's true. It's weird. And the bullet, like I said, is still lodged in her neck to this day and it's just an inch away from her spine. So if that had ever moves, she was a possibility you could move now. Oh, absolutely.

Yeah. She has to live with that. Recently she was having a lot of health problems and I think that might have something to do with it. And to just have to live with that, like, that piece in there forever. It's just like, you just know it's there. And it's just always, like, reminding you of what happened. Like, what horror? That's terrible. I mean, to, like, get shot in the face and survive is like, yeah, first of all, like, wow. What? Unheard of. Okay. The fact that she's still alive is groundbreaking. Iconic. Yeah. Serious. Iconic is. Mary.

Joe and Icon. I mean, a survivor, okay? Yeah, literally. Poor thing. And then to have to live with like half a paralyzed face, you're having to deal with all of the stuff you're going to have to learn how to do again. One, it's always just a constant reminder. Yeah, I mean, she had to go through having her jaw wired shut because if that jaw is shattered,

they're going to have to wire that jaw shut. You're going to have to drink through a straw for months. It's like, yeah. She went through so much shit and she did nothing. Yeah, she literally was just like raising her husband's children and trying to be a good wife, you know. Could you imagine, like, every time you looked in the mirror, you're reminded, like, oh, yeah, my face looks like this because my shit husband. Yes. You know, like.

And then how do you not like, oh, my God. And then to stick by his side too. Like, you have to give her, I mean, you obviously question it, but like, you don't know what was going through her head. And it's like, to stick by him, it's like, it's just wild. She's a better woman than I am. I don't know if that's better or where. I don't know what that is. Yeah, I can't.

I literally can't figure out what it is. I don't know how I feel about it. Yeah, I think it's just the times, though. Yeah, I think it was like her, how she was raised and everything and like the culture of everything. Yeah, totally. But when Mary Jo's family, including Joey, got to the hospital, they were told that the chances of her surviving were very, very slim. And even if she did, she would most likely be blind, deaf, and paralyzed. So it was Mary Jo's mother who made the decision to actually have her be operated on.

And she was operated on for over seven hours to see if they would be able to remove. to remove the bullet, but obviously we know they weren't able to, but they were able to save her. Now, she woke up after the surgery to a nurse just telling her everything that had happened. She was like, she was literally like telling me, Mary Jo, you've been shot, you've been shot. Oh, like no one wanted to give her a minute to like maybe. Seriously, that's what I was thinking. I'd be like maybe we can have a discussion about when we tell her, how we tell her. Or even if we're going to tell her right off the bat, maybe we could say it in a calm,

soothing voice. Like she probably has a headache after all this. like ASMR voice and just do it very close to her ear. Mary Jo, we need to talk to you. Wake up. I have something to tell you. Yeah, seriously. So it's crazy.

And then everybody is like, Joey was asking like, who could possibly have done this? And it's like, you don't know who could have done this. Like maybe your teenage lover. And at that point, Mary Jo, excuse me, Mary Jo still couldn't speak, obviously, because like you said, her jaw was wired shut. But she was motioning to them that she wanted to write something down when they were asking, like, who did this? And she wrote down, 19-year-old girl, Anne-Marie, complete auto body t-shirt. Because Anne-Marie slash Amy had told her that she was 19. The truth was that she was 17, and obviously we know her name was Amy.

Now, the t-shirt started to become like the main focus of investigation at this point. And it was actually a new t-shirt design that Joey had only given to one customer because it was like being printed. And that customer was Amy's dad, Elliot Fisher. That is lucky. It's banana. Everything in this case seemed to just like fall into place somewhat. That's wild. Right.

Seriously. Yeah. Right. How do you miss that? But like thank God he's such a dumb ass, you know? Thank goodness. In some extent, you know. Yeah.

But so that, so that happened. And then they showed Mary Jo a picture of Amy while she was in the hospital. And Mary Jo is totally certain. She was like, that is the girl who came onto my doorstep and shot me in the face. Talk about like reliving. right away. Seriously. Here's her face right in front of you. Right. Now, Joey said that he only knew Amy from the shop because her father was a customer and he had done some work on her car as well. But that's the only... Yeah, that's it. That's all how they knew each other. That's it.

But Amy was arrested after the police asked Joey to call her and ask if they could meet somewhere to talk. And I think the police were like, there's a lot more to this story. So why don't you hop on the phone with her? Now, Amy obviously jumped at the chance to see Joey hopped in her car to speed over to him. But this whole thing, as we know, was a setup and the cops arrested her within minutes. Now, she was held for 12 hours and, like, wouldn't confess. And actually, she didn't go home that night and her parents weren't alerted that she had been arrested. It wasn't until the next morning that they got the call, which I was like, I feel like that's a little illegal. Not so good, but she's 17, right? Isn't like technically? Oh, is she 17 now?

She's 17 now. Yeah. So wasn't she technically called like an adult so they don't have to tell her parents? I guess that is true. Yeah. I mean, I still think it's fucked up because she still did. Yeah, of course. But legally. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I think it was a little loophole.

They were like, it's fine. But she said, she like wouldn't confess anything. And she said that Joey knew, well, okay, so she wouldn't confess anything at first. And then finally they got her talking. And she was like, Joey actually knew that I was going over there that day to kill his wife. And he encouraged me to do it. And she said like a couple different things because then she said that the gun went off unintentionally after she and Mary.

Mary Jo had to been arguing over it. And everybody was like, yeah, that doesn't really line up with, like, anything that happened here. So I feel like you're lying. And then I saw, like, another version where she said that she hit Mary Jo with the gun and she didn't mean to and that's when it misfired. And that's how this happened. It's so hard not to hit people with guns.

Yeah. It's really hard. It's like, why did you have a gun in the first place? Yeah, you just accidentally hit them with it. Yeah, all the time. I feel like the police, the other thing is they wouldn't have known, like, what the hell was going on if this all hadn't happened. Yeah, because you'd be like,

what is happening here? Well, this next part, I think, really helped them out because Amy had a friend called Chris Drellos from school. And she had asked him to help her take out Mary Jo. Like she was soliciting multiple different people to do this for her or do this with her. Now, he was like, yeah, I don't want to do that. But I'm going to introduce you to my friend Steven Sleeman. He'll do that.

I have a friend who will totally do that. I know. I'm like, why do this? Why do you have friends who will do that? Why do these high schoolers have like hitman friends? Why did he know that? Like I don't have a friend that I'm like, I won't do it. You know who would though?

They'll definitely do it. Like my friend will definitely help you kill someone. Yeah, I don't. Send them over there. I don't think I know anybody like that personally. You guys need to get out more. Right? I know.

I got lots of friends on dead ready to kill someone if needed. You're like, I won't do it. Yeah. But this person will. I won't do it. But I got a long of this. But I certainly have a friend. Let me help you out though.

Like I'm not helping you on. And like the big way, I'll help you out small stuff here. Yeah. Yeah. Now, Stephen Sleeman was the first one to go to the authorities. He was a 21-year-old guy. He was working as a waiter. And he was known to just be like a very immature guy, obviously.

People said that he acted a lot more like a teenager than he did, like somebody who was in their early 20s. Now, he met Amy through Chris and that whole thing was set up. Amy apparently, she never admitted to this. So we're just going to take it for what it's worth. But she offered Stephen money and sex if he would kill Mary Jo with her. Now together, they actually stalked Mary Jo's house on multiple occasions trying to get her routine down. Oh, that always freaks me out, man. And the fact that.

She's just doesn't know. She's just like doing, like, probably vacuuming the kitchen or like, you know. I just vacuuming the kitchen. I don't think a lot of people really do that. You know? She's just vacuuming the kitchen. She's just doing her daily activities. You know.

She's vacuuming the front lawn. Vacuum always needs to be vacuumed. She's just, she's mowing the carpet. It's fine. I'm mowing the carpet. Just household things. Just as a housewife does. But so once they had a routine down, Amy had the idea to ring the doorbell and act like she was selling candy bars for like a school fundraiser.

And she was like, Mary Jo. Well, she didn't say Mary Jo. This is so BTK. It's crazy. She was like, I only have three left. And like, I've been trying to get these sold all day. Like, can you please just buy them from me? Like, and Mary Jo being the sweetie that she is was like, oh, come on in.

like I'll sell them to you or I'll buy them off of you of course. Oh, Mary Jo. Now what Mary Jo didn't realize was that Stephen Sleeman was waiting in the front bushes aiming a rifle her way. Damn. So originally, like he was going to kill her with a rifle. I didn't know that. Wait, is it on the same day or a different day?

This is a different day. This is before anything happened. So she had been there like inside of the house and Mary Jo didn't put two and two together until like years later when this all came out. Wow. Oh, and just wait, there's another thing too that you guys are going to be like, what? That revelation having that all of a sudden being like, oh, yeah, she was in my house before. She was in my house before.

And then luckily, Stephen chickened out. He was like, I can't do this. He like freaked out. But that wasn't his only attempt at helping Amy off Mary Jo because the day before Thanksgiving in 1992, he actually fired two shots into the But a Fouca's living room. What? And they never connected that until like years later when he admitted it. Wow.

So Mary Jo like filed a police report and everything and they just kind of assumed that it was like teenagers in the neighborhood or something like that. I can't believe how many times she has survived a scrape with being murdered. Mary Jo is not meant to go down. No. It's so. And the other thing is like thankfully. Or it's like she just has these blinders on like girl.

Like how are you not putting these pieces together? Right. Honestly. I feel like you got to start being like what's happening here. When there's three attempts on your life at this point, like, you know. Yeah. I just feel like you wouldn't you notice someone following you? I don't know though. Because I swear I'm so creepy part. I'm so observant. I'm always like looking around and shit. Me too. You know? It's like. Oh, see. This is like my job and I'm oblivious to all of that. You are. Like I get out of my phone on my car. I do everything that we tell people not to do. Oh yeah. See, I am like a crazy person. So I definitely, I know everything. My head is on like a permanent swivel. Like I know everything around me. Yeah. But I know that like normally, if you're not really thinking about it, most people just walk with their phone, their head on their phone and throw some headphones in.

Just not paying attention. Just walking straight into their house without looking around. I am like looking around. I check everything. I'm insane. I'm getting better, I think. I try to get out of the car and not be on the phone just in case. Yeah.

It's important. Yeah, you know, if you're going to go, you're going to go, I guess. So just live your life. Yeah, it wasn't Mary Jo's time to go. It wasn't her time. No. No, apparently not. Yeah, so like I said, she didn't connect to these incidents until years later when he admitted it.

And now after Stephen went to the police, Chris came forward and told his story. Now, shortly after that, another man, who I guess was like unidentified, came forward with a sex tape that had Amy in it. And he said that he met her while she was working as an escort. He had no idea that she was underage. Oh, boy. So this is all, like, piling out in the tabloids. Like, everybody's talking about this. So all this new information is coming forward.

And it was beginning to come, to become, like, pretty clear that there was a lot more to Amy than anybody really knew about. Yeah. Like, she was definitely involved in a lot of shady shit. For sure. So this guy came out with, he came out with footage of him having sex with Amy. Yes. So in other words, he came out with child porn.

Literally. Exactly. But I guess because he did. Well, if she hadn't been involved in this like attempted murder case, I think that guy definitely would have gone to jail. Yeah, what the hell? I think it was because they were like, she's the Long Island Lolita. Like she's seducing men everywhere, the 16 year old. That's so fucked up.

You know what I mean? Yeah. That's beyond. That's why like in the beginning we're saying, like you have to keep in mind that this is a 16, now 17 year old girl. Like this is a teenage girl. And that they're ignoring this piece of child pornography that they're being presented with because they're like, cool. It helps our case. Awesome.

Thanks for that. crazy. It's like, yeah, she's not awesome, but she's a child. Like, let's all remember that. So that was right around the time when this started like going crazy everywhere. And that's when she was dubbed the Long Island Lolita. And like we were saying in the beginning, unfortunately, Mary Jo was like totally pushed into the shadows while the case was unfolding because everyone was so obsessed with Amy and Joey's alleged affair. And Joey would tell anybody who listened, he even got into it with Howard Stern at one point, that his whole role in this thing was like not what the press was making it out to be.

He was like, I never touched her. We never had intercourse together. Like, this is all a lie. It's like, I don't know why he thought that that was going to work. Yeah, because he's an idiot. Yeah, exactly. But the public was having a hard time believing that he wasn't involved with Amy, at least in some sense. And especially because her lawyers were working like overtime to paint their picture of her as like this young, innocent, impressionable girl who she was, you know.

But that was all going on. But unlike the public, Mary Jo stood by her husband, like I said. because again, that's how she was raised. Like, she was a Catholic girl and she was like, I was raised to stand by my husband no matter what. And the other thing is she's recovering from being shot. She still has a bullet in her head. She probably just wanted to get past this whole thing.

Yeah, she's got, she's still got children to take care of. Yeah, young children. This is a lot. Actually, she sent her kids to school that day. I watched the ABC 2020 on this. It's called Growing Up But a Fouca. And she sent the kids to school that day. I think her daughter was nine and her son was a little older.

and it was the first day that they were allowed to ride their bikes to school and it was like a big deal. And her son started leaving and then he came back and he was like, Mom, like I just don't feel like something's wrong today. And she was like, he was like, I don't want to leave. And she was like, no, no, no, like, do you have your lunch? Like you got this. You got to go. Like you got to get to school. Whoa.

And he was like, it was like he knew something was going to happen like a premonition. Oh my God. That's really creepy. That's really spooky. Yeah. So, that happened. psychics. It's disturbing.

They always know. They do. They know things. They see things. I was the creepiest little shit when I was younger. You were a real creepy kid. I used to see like ghosts in my parents' house all the time and like tell everybody. And then like weird shit would happen and they'd be like, oh my God, she's right.

And you were like, yeah. I was like, what's the kid from the sixth sense? Oh yeah. I was cool. You were him. Yeah, you saw the lady with no body. She was just made of bones. She was just made of bones.

But Amy, after she was arrested. Her family was approached actually while she was in jail, and they were offered $80,000 for the right to their story. And I guess the son of Sam laws had just been deemed unconstitutional, like a couple months before this. And those are the laws that say, like, you can't benefit off of your story. Yeah. So by the skin of her teeth, Amy got out of jail, used that money and was bailed out. Wow. So crazy.

Now, she also entered a plea deal where if she pled guilty to first degree assault versus attempted murder and kind of told them a little more. about her relationship, she would get a reduced sentence. So the night before, she was set to plead guilty. She visited her new boyfriend, who was a 30-year-old guy who owned a gym named Paul Makely, and she asked him if he would marry her. And you're like, wait, why? Now, it was because she knew that she was heading to jail soon, and she wanted to be able to get visits with him. But at the time, she wasn't going to be able to unless they were married. So they got her on tape telling Mekley that she was going to try and change the laws when it came to this all happening because she wanted to keep her name in the press.

What? Now they have her on tape saying, I want my name in the press because I can make a lot of money. I figure if I have to go through all the pain and suffering, I'm getting a Ferrari. Oh, honey. It's like, you just tried to kill a woman. Nobody's going to give you a Ferrari anytime soon. You just literally maimed a woman for life. Wow.

And her main concern is getting a Ferrari. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I guess I kind of am playing devil's advocate here because I can understand her. Very teenager. Yes, it's so teenage brain. It's right in line.

That's all you care about is like getting money and like getting a Ferrari. Those are my goals in life, you know? That's what I want. Yeah, I just want to be rich. Like, okay? And that's obviously. Yeah, that's obviously her goals and she's fucked up. Yeah, I think she wanted to be rich and she wanted to be famous.

It's true because you really don't think of, And especially she's not going to think of like this woman and what she's going to go through for the rest of her life. You're not thinking past like yourself from now. Yeah. And what you're doing. Exactly. It's all about your schedule. And I'm so sure she kept telling herself like, well, at least she didn't die.

You know, like I didn't kill anyone. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I think that was a huge part of it. And it's like, well, you definitely meant to. Like you shot her in the face. So what happened if she did die? Wow.

Look into a teenage brain. It's truly something. Now, poor Amy, though, guys, because she. She couldn't even go to a restaurant without the reporters bothering her. So she literally asked the judge if she could be sentenced sooner because she couldn't go anywhere. So she might as well just get it over with and go to jail. If you can't get brunch. Again, a 16-year-old's mindset.

Now, Amy's lawyer told the judge, her home is being staked out by reporters, which is like, yeah, maybe don't shoot your lover's wife in the face and that won't happen. Kind of part for the course. But the judge did let her get sentenced early. And ultimately, she pleaded guilty on charges of first-degree assault, not first-degree murder. or excuse me, attempted murder. Thank you. And the judge sentenced her to five to 15 years in prison.

Wow. So she would be eligible for parole after five years. Now when the sentencing was read, the judge compared Amy to a quote, wild animal that stalks its prey motivated by lust and passion. And he also was like, yeah. It's like, whoa. It's a lot. And he also was like, you may see yourself in America may see you as a celebrity, but this court does not recognize you as a celebrity. like you're a monster.

All right. It was a lot. Theatrical. I feel like that was also for the tabloids. God. Like there's clearly something wrong like in with her mental state if this is what she thought was going to be okay. Like maybe we should focus on getting her some help because the whole point is to rehabilitate people. Yeah.

So it's like maybe we should focus on that. Especially when they start so young. Like you got to do something here. Seriously. So she was, she served seven years in prison at the Albion, correctional facility in New York. But she wasn't the only one that served jail time. The guy that drove the getaway car, Peter Guagante, I think it is, he was arrested and he

was convicted in connection with the crime. And because he not only sold Amy the gun that she used to shoot Mary Jo, but like we know, drove her to and from the crime scene. So he got a sentence of four months because early on he was cooperative with the police and he told them what they needed to know. So he got a reduced sentence. I feel like four months is not a. enough. Not for selling a murder weapon and being a getaway driver. And being the getaway driver. I just feel

like that's. So how did she get a connection with him to get the gun? Was that from Joey? That wasn't from Joey. I think she knew him. I don't know exactly how she knew him. She was in contact with like a lot of different men. I think she just like shady characters. Yeah, just shady characters. I mean, she had an older boyfriend too at the time. So I think it was kind of just she was around. Using her connections. people. Yeah, exactly. Pulling those strings. Exactly. But then Joey actually finally got got because they were trying to get him in the beginning on statutory rape charges, but they didn't think that Amy. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's what I've been waiting for. Like, yes. That's what you've been waiting for and you're going to get mad because in the beginning they were just like, they wanted this.

But then the other side was like, well, Amy's not reliable. And like, this isn't going to be a case that we can do this with. But finally, so he went on tour, like trying to clear his name. He and Mary Joe appeared on Larry King and just like every other daytime show that you could think of. And people who knew the real Joey and the real story, they were like, enough is enough. Like this guy's an asshole and he's just trying to become famous. And they were like, you know what? We're going to out him. So his co-workers outed him because they said that he would come into work and like brag about his sexual relationship with Amy, who was 17 at the time that he was. He was. He was. He was, he was. He He was raping her.

What a fucking pig. It's unreal. So once that information came out, they were like, okay, well, we're definitely going to go after him. I'm glad his coworkers were like, no. We're just going to say this. No. But he took a plea deal and he pled guilty to the charge of statutory rate. He was sentenced to the maximum that they could give him for that, which was six months in jail for statutory rate.

He also got a $5,000 fine and five years. probation. It's like, what is he going to learn in five months? Like, you know? Not a damn thing. I can't. I can't. And he didn't. And especially with things like this, with like, you know, statutory rape, any kind of like pedophilia and stuff. It's like, that's not going to do anything. No. It's not going to do anything. Because they're only going to get out and just do the exact same thing. You get five months, that's like nothing. Nothing. And he said the only reason that he pleaded guilty was because he was out of money and ready to put everything behind him. But that, like, wasn't the truth because he's still going on with this story, like,

right now. Like, he's probably talking to somebody about it as we speak. It's ridiculous. He's like, will never take responsibility for it either. No, no, he won't. And anything he says, he'll give you, like, one sentence and be like, you know, we did this. And that's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm saying.

And it's like, no, like, you owe us a lot more than that. He wants to take ownership of the story and the narrative, but he doesn't want to take ownership of his role in the story and the narrative. He just wants to own this whole thing and be able to talk about it whenever he wants. He'd be able to gain from it. But he never wants to be like, yeah, it was a literal, like a pivotal role in this whole thing. Absolutely. And actually, he wound up in jail again not too long after his release because he was in California

and he solicited sex from an undercover cop who was like outside of an ice cream shop. Damn. So like obviously that's illegal. Damn. It's like you break your parole like the second you get out. So I mean, like I would bet. I would have been money he's been doing this for a long time. I was literally just going to say that.

It's clearly a pathology for him. Absolutely. If he's going that far as like break your parole for it, he's been doing this for a long time. Oh, yeah. And he will keep doing it. He has that vibe about him where he just like is like a charmer. Like he feels like he can get out of anything clearly. Yeah.

You know? Like Mary Jo was telling a story on the 2020 that I watched. And he was like speeding around like in the water one time on their boat and a patrol boat was behind him. And for some reason, everyone on the beach was like, let Joey go. Let Joey go. And the guy did. So he just learned like, oh, I can do whatever the fuck I want. I'm Joey, but if you go. You know? Gross. It's like, how do you get out of that from like just a beach of chanting people? Like, I don't understand. That's wild. That is wild. But by that point, in the whole story, Mary Jo is depressed. And at this point, she said that she was suicidal and now struggling with a drug addiction because

she'd been on pain meds and everything for so long. And this is just a horrifically depressing time in her life. Yeah. She was super lost, but she didn't want to break up her family. So to get away from the island- Girl, break up the family. It's fine. I know. I don't know why she didn't want to. It is for the best. It's seriously. It's break it up. Girl, it's broken already. Okay. It's like just like a band-a-ed. It's shattered. Yeah. It's far past the point of fixing. Like, we're not going to tape these pieces back together. It's being held together by like spit and gum. Just let it fall apart. It's okay. Like, everyone's going to be better for it.

Seriously. But instead, they were like, you know what? I think we need to do. I think we need to get away from Long Island and move somewhere very quiet where there's no media. Like California, maybe is a good choice. Very Queens, quiet place. They moved to California to get away from everything.

It's like, that doesn't make any sense. That's what you do. Where'd they go in California? I'm not sure where they went in California. No. Because I'm like, there are some like little bum-fuck towns. You can hide out. in. It is a giant state. I don't think that they really like went to one of those like, I don't think

they were like big bear hiding out. Like, because Joey was like trying to get photographed any chance he could. Yeah. Yeah. No, I don't know. So they were probably in like LA or something. Probably. Right in the middle of it. I actually moved to Hollywood. I have no idea. But actually Mary Jo and Joey's lawyer ended up paying for Mary Jo to go to go to rehab while they were in California because she wanted to go, but she was like, I don't have any money. Like they lost all their money on bad investments that Joey had made. and then paying for like legal teams. So they're, this lawyer like basically paid to save her life again.

Wow. Sounds like this Joey guy is, um, just not great. Okay, he's losing all their money. He's fucking around. He's just, and she just stayed by his time.

I need to know the redeemable quality. Joey doesn't seem like a gym. Like what redeemable quality kept her around? Did he cook good pancakes in the morning or like? It's always those guys though that you're like, show me the thing. Show me the thing that is keeping all of these people so entranced by this person. Yeah.

You can never show the thing. Because it's like an intangible thing. And I think when you fall in love in high school and like get married at such a young age, like especially back then it was so different. I think you kind of just get stuck in that role of like, well, we've been together this long. Like we have to stay together. Oh yeah.

I mean, everybody I think either knows someone or has been a situation where you're just like, oh, we'll just stick it up for a little longer. because we've been at it for so long. Right. Like I dated my high school boyfriend for way longer than I should have because I was like, well, we've just been together for a while, so we might as well just keep this shit show going. Yeah. And then you finally realize it.

I feel like the Joey guy is just a good talker. Like, you know, those guys who can talk their way out of freaking anything like an affair. Oh, yeah. He probably just had her under, you know, his spell. Yeah, just like wrapped around his finger. And those guys love bomb too. So they'll like doad on you when they need to. And then so that the blow isn't as bad when they do the terrible things that they do.

Yeah. So you always and you end up like those people end up living for those good moments. Like they're just waiting for the next one. So you're like, oh, I don't want to end it now because he was so nice before. Maybe he'll be nice again. Like maybe it'll happen. And then it happens. And you're like, see?

And then it's just a horrible cycle. Well, Anne, I think she was so depressed too that she was like, you know, like you said, every time she looked in the mirror, she was reminded of it. of what happened. She probably was like, how am I going to move on? Like she had like no self-worth at the time, you know? I'm sure it wreaked havoc. Yeah. But Amy ended up being released from prison in 1999. She only served seven years, which is insane to me. But shockingly enough, it was Mary Joe who asked the judge to show Amy remorse. And she said, she said, quote, she has shown true remorse and sorrow for what she did to me. And she also took the time to remind Amy that this was a

second chance at life and like urged her to take to make something positive out of all the crap out of all the tragedy that she created and I think what had happened was she wasn't going to be up for parole and Amy and her mother wanted her out of prison so the lawyers got to talking with each other and they were like write Mary Jo a letter so she wrote Mary Jo this letter where she just apologized and apologized and I think she just kind of tricked Mary Jo into forgiving her oh damn you think yeah so you don't think she's actually no and wait Because I haven't seen anything really. Like, I don't think she cares at all.

Really? Yeah. I think that she was, I think she definitely has like some mental health issues going on that she really needed to be treated for and just nobody ever gave her enough time and listened to her and helped her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like that's a really big of Mary Joe though.

I mean, that's a huge step to like forgive her. Absolutely. That's huge. Yeah. Especially, you know, with her having to live with that every day. Yeah. her face in her right next to her spine sitting there like moments away from paralyzing her at any moment and it's like for her to be able to do that and still get up every day and have to face that.

Yeah, I can't imagine. What a badass. But I will say that she did, Amy did seem remorseful like at the hearing and in the beginning of things. And she and Mary Jo were able to address each other. And she said like it was nobody else's fault. Like it wasn't your husband that told me to do this. It wasn't anybody else like I did this and I'm sorry.

It's nobody's fault but mine. Well, at least she did that. And then I think she kind of, like, heeded Mary Jo's advice in the beginning and did try to make some positive changes. Like I said, like when she originally went to go shoot her and I think like Mary Jo made a smart comment and then she ended up shooting her. It's almost like she was looking for someone to take care of her and be like, and then Mary Jo did that. And in the beginning, I think Amy was like, you know, I owe it to her to do this. But then somehow she lost sight of it, I think. because like it so in the beginning she did try to make positive changes she worked for the long island

press for a little bit and she actually won an award from the society of professional journalists and she also wrote a book cleverly titled if i knew then oh so in the beginning i think she was trying to change and then in 2003 actually the same year that mary joe and joey divorced amy got married to a man named lewis bellera now they already had a two-year-old son together and then they would go on to have a daughter or two years after they married. So they had two children together. And Amy and the family moved to Florida. And actually she moved there after being released from prison.

And that's where she and Lewis planned to kind of raise their family. But things were really tough for them. The kids had like a really hard time making friends because all the parents' kids didn't want them to be friends with the Long Island Lolita's children. That's so I hate when that shit happens when the kids get the flack for what their parents of Deli know, like that sucks. It's sad. And she was like, it was like,

thought that they were going to catch the Amy Fisher gene. Yeah, that's like the Catherine Bernie thing. Remember all her kids who she didn't even raise? She wasn't even around for her. She like left them. Like the David and Catherine Bernie story, it's like Catherine wasn't around the entire time they were growing up. She abandoned them to go with go kill people with her crazy husband, not husband. And they ended up suffering the consequences for it. Several of them got like beat up just for being her child. Yeah. They get like assaulted all the time and harassed and stuff and it's like they don't one they don't even know her like she's right she gave birth to them and then abandoned them all like she they don't even know who she is and it's like yeah it's not

their fault like they're kids they're innocently brought into this it's so sad when that happens they're terrible yeah they never grow up parents you think like when you're younger like parents know everything and they're so wise and smart and then you get here and you're like wow you guys are a bunch of fucking morons like you just they are like they're just so many kids stay the mean kids it's like they're still clicks it's true yeah especially parents yeah it's like oh yeah absolutely i've seen it on like the facebook's mom groups you know and i'm like oh they're brutal oh yeah i don't have kids if this is what i have to deal with no thank you oh yeah you asked to be taken out of the facebook mom group that you were in yeah i like joined the like towns facebook mom

group because i just like to first of all it's one of the funniest things to watch you'll ever like If you need entertainment, go in there and you'll see them complaining about something that is so funny. And it's just like awesome. So me and my other friend who's also a mom will like share screenshots. I'm like, what they're complaining about today. This is hilarious. But then it got super political in there and like really nasty. And people, so at one point I was like, I can't even watch this.

So I just said something that I was like, can you guys just kick me out of this group, please? I don't want to be here anymore. Yeah, we have a Facebook community page for our neighborhood too. It's the same thing. It's so fun to watch. I love just, I get my popcorn. I'm like, what's the drama today? Oh, yeah.

I love it. You're like, as long as nobody's bringing me into this, let's see what's going on. Because me and my husband will share it. I'm like, look what they're complaining about. It's always a fun. I saw a dog poop on someone's lawn. I'm off track, though. But let's back on the story.

I love it. But yeah, I felt bad that things were so hard for her kids. And actually at one point, a school psychologist told Amy she thought it would be a better idea for her son to drop out and just try to get his GED. She was like, this is not like, this is not working. That's not fair. It is sad. No. No.

And it's like they didn't do anything like that. He loses because of his damn mom. Right. And I, that was probably a lot of guilt on her too. Like obviously she's not the best. So how did everybody know? Because she was married, right? I think she was married.

but I think they probably just like rumors fly around town. It's probably like the Carla Hamoka thing where it's like someone's going to figure it out. Yeah, exactly. They always figure it out. And she's really recognizable. Like she has like, I feel like she hasn't changed a lot like over the years. She looks exactly like she did when she was 60. Good for her.

And once one person finds out. Yeah, right. Seriously. If only. But I also think that getting with this guy, Lewis was like a bad idea. And I think he kind of took her off the path that she was on. It was not really. really nice guy. While they were married, they did make a sex tape together. And it was after Amy got a

breast augmentation surgery. And but after that, they got into this argument. And it was actually over Amy and Joey like reuniting, which was all fake and for TV anyways. But that was ridiculous. And it was in 2007. They met for dinner. And allegedly, there was like a producer there who thought it would make a really good reality show if they were to get reunited. Joey and Amy? Joey and Amy. Joey and Amy. Wow. Yes. Very, very messy. No regards for the fact that she shot a woman in the face. But she was into this. Lap in a face to poor Mary. That's outrageous. Yeah. Yeah. Slap in the face just like everybody involved. And Mary's kids. We want to watch these two idiots? Like no. The reality show didn't end up happening, but they did do an appearance that we'll get into later. That was just like so messed up.

But so also she's still married and it's like, I don't blame him for being mad. But what he did was release their sex tape together. Revenge porn. Yeah, it's a lot. Revenge porn. Now, most people would be pissed in the situation, but Amy said, my husband, you know, released this. And you know what, it's out there. I have two choices. I can sit there and say it doesn't exist, which it does, you know, or I can do the intelligent thing. I mean, unbelievably, you know, a sex tape comes out and the next thing I know, I mean, I'm getting offers for endorsements. I mean, they pay me to be there, which, you know, I guess brings attention to their club and a lot of people come down.

And, you know, it's a good thing. It's fun for everybody. So I think she definitely just got lost in this whole like all the bad decisions that I make get me money and notoriety. And I think I love the end statement. I feel like like once you start making at least she can look at the bright side. From like TV and the book offers and all that. It's like her petty little, I'm saying petty air quotes. Petty like smaller jobs or normal paying jobs. She's probably like I don't know what I want to do this.

I could just tell my story and get way more. Or like yeah. And like we just get rich. She's tape. You know, it's me, hey. Like, and try and get some money off of that. Yeah. So she's probably like, fuck it.

Right. She's probably still pretty stunted. I mean, plus she has a criminal past. You can't just go get a normal job. Like. Yeah. She's not just going. Yeah.

Exactly. There's a lot working against her. Yeah. She's like, okay. Okay. Like, I'll unwillingly do porn. That's fine. So she unwillingly did porn and then she actually started getting into the porn industry.

So she just leaned in. She leaned in. She leaned. Oh, no, no, no, it's fine. I was actually literally getting there. That was perfect. Perfect little sighing. So that happened. I didn't go like crazy far into it. But they actually, they got back together after he released this sex tape. And they stayed together for another eight years before they divorced in 2015. And after she got divorced, she moved back to Long Island with the kids. And they moved into like a really private home that was actually purchased by her mother. So there was a lot of like, yeah, we'll just buy you things. And everything will be fine. Yeah. And you wonder if there was like they wanted to keep it in a certain name. and such. Definitely. To try to keep the privacy happening.

Definitely. And like I was saying, they've done like multiple on-screen appearances. I mentioned before. There was one where Amy and Joey were on entertainment tonight. And they were pretending that they were rekindling their romance. Like Joey, they're in like the backseat of a car. And he's like, you know, we were always in love. And she's like, yeah, we were always in love.

What the fuck? And it's like, it was all fake. It's so bizarre. No. And Joey's... That's really gross. Well, and Joey's kids had to see that, and they were like adults by this point. And his daughter was like, how dare you walk around the streets of New York with the woman that tried to murder my mother?

That's just for some money. Bonkers to me. It's like we're just all, everybody's just forgetting. We're just all focusing on like their meat cute or something. It's like, I don't understand that nobody's realizing that there's children involved, first of all. Yeah. That they stayed married for a long time after. her. Yes, a very long time. And that she was shot in the face in an attempted murder by this person because of that man.

Like, sad. What? He's the root of all the evil here. Like, I don't want to watch them sit there and like talk about themselves. No, who wants to see that? Like, no. I can't imagine. Yeah, they want to go home and it's on the TV. They seem to be very obsessed with themselves in their story. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Exactly. Two people want to see it. Yeah. Yeah. They both are like obsessed with it. Themselves. So gross. Oh, yeah. Well, and then honestly, like, as, like, Americans, I think we love trash TV. So, like, we all tune in.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. There is an audience for that. And people don't think of all the people affected by it. It's so bizarre, though, because you want to consider that trash TV. I mean, I was like a... I mean, what other, like, murder stories have you thought of that has carried on to, like, a reality series? It's so bizarre.

Yeah. Right. This one is, like, an anomaly. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense. It's like why this story. Yeah. It's so weird.

There were so weird. So many different appearances. Like there was one where they reunited Joey, Mary Jo, and Amy all at once. And like they made them like hug like Mary Jo and Amy. It was just like so. And then Joey ends up getting angry and leaving and like storming off. And he's like, I lost the love of my life because of her. Like talking about, talking about Amy.

Wow. And it's like, no, you lost the love of your life because you're a terrible person. And you got involved with a 16 year old like a gross monster. I guess because technically like she, Mary didn't die, I guess that makes it okay for them to like keep this story going. Because technically, I think that's exactly what it is. Yeah. And it's just like a young girl involved. There's sex.

There's murder. Scandal. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Everything. All of it. But Mary Jo has been through enough, as we all know. And throughout the entire experience, she slowly but surely started to realize that Joey was a sociopath.

And she actually ended up writing a book called Getting It Through My Thick Skull, Why I Stayed, What I Learned, and what millions of people involved with sociopaths need to know. Wow. It's a very long title. That's amazing. But I can't wait to read it. When did that come out? Yeah. 2009.

Damn. How did I not know that existed? Yeah. You can buy it on Amazon, the Kindle Cloud Reader. Oh, there you go. I think it's like three bucks. How dare they, what's her name, come out with her story before Mary? Right.

Before Mary Joach to. Seriously. Seriously. God. But you know what? She had the better name. Getting it through my thick skull. Yeah, she,

I love that she was able to like kind of make a joke of it. It was like a tongue and cheek kind of thing. Yeah. I like that. And this is like a little bright side. In 2017, um, she was able to have more extensive plastic surgery done. And the goal was to fix some of the nerves that had been damaged in the shooting.

And she was like unable to even smile for a long time. And after the surgery, she said it was the first time that she smiled in 25 years and was able to see the side of her teeth. Oh my God. I know. Good for Mary Jo. Seriously. Now, like I said, Amy showed remorse when it was time to get out on parole, but since then, she really hasn't done much with her second chance at life. And in 2008, she told a reporter, I feel no sympathy for Mary Jo, the multi-millionaire. The fact that Mary Jo has a bullet in her head means nothing. I still have silicone in my boobs and you don't hear me complaining. She can't feel her bullet and I can't feel my silicone. What? It's like, yeah, I don't think she feels super guilty.

And now I guess these days she's working as a cam girl. Wow. What an idiot. I think she probably is saying that because she knows the reaction she's going to get. I think she knows what she's doing. She has. Yeah, it just brings more tablets coming. And more reporters wanting to get like a racier comment.

Absolutely. I think you're right. Because we've seen like regular celebrities do that. They put on a persona. Yeah. They go with it. And then like outside of that persona, they're like, I don't believe any of this shit.

I just say it because I'm going to get paid for it. Even the whole thing is like the reunited thing. Like she wasn't in love with him. She was still married. She's like, I'm just trying to make money here. Yeah. Yeah. And she knows there are a group of the audience that will eat it up.

Right. And we'll like it. Right. So she's just playing to that base basically. And that is the case of the long time. Lolita. Ruthless. Seriously.

Seriously. Seriously. Yeah. I think it's gross. Because like just how the. Just how the tabloids talked about this story is disappointing. Yeah. You know?

Like just that it's called the Long Island Loewita. And like they made her out. And like why did it focus on her? They focused on her as if he didn't do a damn thing. And poor Mary Jo, she's mind her own damn business. She gets brought into this. Just live in her life. Vacuuming the linoleum.

She was just trying to live. Just bowing the carpet. She's just trying to trust her husband, like do your damn thing. Get shot in the face. I'd be fucking pissed. Okay. Oh, I would be. And then it just haunts her for the rest of her life.

Not only because she has to see it in the mirror, but because every time she probably turns on the TV, there's something new. Yeah. And she can't even smile. No, she couldn't smile for 25 years. Try to be happy. Problems with like drooling and stuff. But after she had the plastic surgery done, she was like, this was like the best.

And she looks beautiful. Get it, Mary Jo. Mary Jo is a stun-up. What she do now, do you know? She's just still a housewife? She is having, like, well, they're divorced. I know that she had like a boyfriend for a little while. She was having health problems.

So her daughter actually moved in with her. And that was like the last update that I saw. I haven't seen anything about like. And those poor kids. Like well, yeah. The kids get all lost in this whole thing. Her daughter ended up having like problems with drugs, problem with drinking and

eating disorders just because her, I mean, her dad went to jail for like a while and she was probably just trying to make sense of the whole thing. She was like nine years old when this all started. And it's not just like the trauma of like, you know, your dad. cheating on your mom that's traumatic enough and then it's like then the girl he's cheating on tries to murder your mom and maims her for life and like disables her and then you have to see them like again traipsing around the streets of new york like kissing on each other and it just keeps and the

tv shows and the interviews and the like god like and then books and all that and i'm sure they went to school just getting harassed because their last name i mean everyone it was like everyone knew the name anonymous. And it was like, yeah. And she said she was like, but if youco means like, I think she said it meant like fireblower. Like it's this big powerful name. And she was like, and it turned into a joke. Yeah. Whoops. Whoops. I know. Well, I mean, you could always change your name. That's true. That's very true. You can do it. I guess. I think at this point they're like, you know what? Everybody knows us. So like, hey, what's up? Butterfuko. It's us. I don't know. It really is. I think we're always thinking about like, well, a lot of people were always thinking, how

can I make money from this so then they don't change their name. I think this is a great example. How can I make money from this and keep it going? Because it's working. Yeah. So. Oh yeah. I mean, look at the Kardashians. Same deal. Exactly. Do you remember in like the early 2000, everybody was trying a sex tape because they wanted to be the next Kim? I felt like that's when when what's her name, Amy got into porn and she was like trying to milk that too. Yes. It was like super scandalous. Like she's doing porn. It was like right right in line. It happened with so. many like reality TV stars. I think it happened to like one of the girls on teen mom. Octo mom. Oh my God. I forgot about her. Where is she now? Wow. We don't know, but she did porn for a while,

you know. We do know that. Oh, the Lorena Bobbitt's husband there. He got into porn. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. It's crazy. Everybody just like their life gets fucked up and they're like, well, porn about it. Yeah. Well, just porn about it. Yeah. You know. There's something there though. They always end up doing porn. So what's the deal with that? That's something psychological for sure. That's everybody's band-a-for what's going on. It's weird.

Yeah. Wow. That was wild. Somebody must say, there's got to be someone in everybody's life that's sitting there just being like, you know what you could do. Do porn about it. You could do porn about it. There's nothing wrong with that.

If you want to do it, do it. Oh, yeah. Seriously. It's just so funny that it's like such a trend. Or it definitely was such a trend. Yeah, I think it's like less of a trend now. It's more normalized, which is nice. You won't be called.

the Long Island Lolita, which is... Exactly. Nice. I'm curious to know what happened to that guy who released the footage of him having sex with... What's her name? Amy. Yeah, it seems like that's just like, whatever. It was literally just so glossed over and everything that I read.

They were like, yeah, and he gave the tape and that was that. That was that. That's cool. It's like, oh, I'm sorry, what? So wild. I feel bad for everybody. It's just like all around shitty. Because it's like if she had therapy or some kind of guidance when she was

younger. This could have all been prevented, right? Absolutely. That's the worst part. Or just like a dad that paid attention to her and didn't just say like, oh, here's my credit card. Yeah. Yeah. Or even just a dad who looked at. A 36 year old man named Joey who wasn't a piece of shit. He took a. Yeah, was like, no, I don't want to get involved with you 16 year old. Because what the hell do you have in common is a 16 year old. Not a damn thing. The problem was he had too much in common. He had everything in common with her. Because he was a 16 year old in his mind. So gross. dirtbag. And it's so weird. Like, I remember being a teenager and thinking it was so cool when you

would hear like one of your friends was dating an older guy. It was like the coolest thing. You're like, oh my God. He's 28. Oh, my God. And now that you get older. He's so cool. And then you get older and you're like, ew. Like, you're like, what a creep. What was that about? I dated somebody. And immediately you do that what you just did, which is what could you possibly have in common? Like, what could you? That's so weird. It's just older and he like loves me. He's just so mature. And you think that too.

Like I dated somebody that was in college when I was in high school like very casually. But I remember Elena was like no. Like I was like forbidden from seeing him and all this stuff. And now I'm like, ew. Like what did what? And I in particular kept saying to her. I was like what does he want to do? Why is he hanging out with a high school kid?

Like tell me why. Like there's no good reason here. And now I'm older and I'm like, why? Why was not a thing? There's no good reason. reason. There's like nothing there. It's all nefarious. It's all nefarious reasons, whether they even know it or not. Unfortunately, it's just one of those life lessons you learn. Because still to the stage, some people think it's cool. I feel like more people are aware that it's not cool, but, you know,

I definitely think it's becoming more of a like, yeah, people at least raise an eyebrow a little bit. Yeah, the conversation at least is changing around it, you know? I feel like if this happened today, which is all we can hope. She wouldn't be the Long Island, Lolita. No, he would have been like this perverted monster. He should have been. Totally different scenario. Yeah.

And I think honestly, like if this happened to date, they would have pinned something on him. I bet you he was involved somehow. I think that too. I think absolutely. Because it's crazy to me that they didn't. But then you look at the time period and it's like, okay. But they were just way too focused on her.

And it's like, dude, she's 16. Like, are we being real here? He's like almost 40. Yeah, because like, where'd she get that idea? She had to get it from somewhere, you know? Someone had to, like, shoot some ideas at her. Like, maybe if you go kill her or something, get a gun. There was conspiring of some kind, whether it was, like, blatant or subtle or just kind of, like, dropping hints.

Well, it's like, why did all the people that she was involved with, like, in trying to, like, solicit, like, a hitman? Like, why did none of them come forward until after this poor woman was shot in the face? I know. You'd think one of these kids would be like, hey. Dad, like something troubling is going on. Weird, right? I think it's like how a lot of them make their money. It's not good.

Yeah. No. No, it's true. I think you're right. Depending on where you grow up, you know, it's kind of normal. People do it. You know? Yeah.

You're not wrong. And a lot of times people don't take these things seriously. No. It's just one of those things. It's like, oh, Amy said that. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think anybody took her that seriously. Or just don't want to be involved.

Oh, my God. I know. I mean, but when I think about it, how many times I've said, like, oh my God, I hate them. I would kill them. Like as a joke, like being dramatic. And then if something like happened, you would be so fucked. You'd be like, oh, yeah.

Like I look so good. I think that all the time. Whenever we talk about a case like this, I'm like, oh, fuck. I've definitely said like, oh, I could kill her. Yeah. I'm like shit. You're like, oops, baby, shouldn't say that. I always tell my fiance, like, nothing better happen to you because it's going to come

right back to me. People are going to be looking at my channel. Like, she knows how to do all this. So she definitely. She definitely knows. Yeah. So I'm like, please, babe, don't let anything happen to you because... Just be real careful, okay?

Stay safe. Not looking good for me. Listen, babe, when you're vacuuming the linoleum, keep that head on a swivel. Yeah, you got to make sure. You got to be careful, okay? Don't hit a rock. Don't hit a rock. Fly right back up at you.

But this was so much fun. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here. Anytime. Yeah, I know. I'm like, when can we do this again? I'm excited.

I'm going to have to have you on like dark history. I don't have a, um... That'd be awesome. I don't have like a guest in place yet, but I want to get to a point where I do because I think having conversation is always nice, right? Oh, yeah. And honestly, dark history, I love. That's right up, Elena's Alley.

The fact that you decided to do a whole podcast on that, I am like just waiting to devour it. Oh, yeah. Because that is my like bread and butter. I love, like old weird shit. That happens is like whenever I come across something, I'm like, oh my God, I have to make an episode out of this. Like history is so weird. History is just all about hating women.

They really hated us throughout history. Oh, they really hate us. They're still hating on us. But it was like, we're making. Oh, it was real bad. We make little progress, like little steps. Baby steps. And you can see it.

Yeah, you could totally as you go through it. It's like, you know, we got the right to vote. We can go further than that. In a big way. Well, yeah, there's lots of dark history to come. Lots of it. It's going to be very exciting. And you love for having me.

This was so fun. Absolutely. And plug whatever you would like to plug, by the way. Where can everybody find you in case the two people don't know? Yeah, you can find me. No, two people. Well, you can find me on Mondays over on YouTube for Murder Mystery and Makeup, where I sit down and I talk about true crime story and I do my makeup at the same time.

And then Thursdays, or I should say Wednesdays, we have the podcast come out, which you can find anywhere that you listen to podcast. And then on Thursday, we upload the video of the podcast to my YouTube. Oh, cool. Love that. I love that. So everybody, go check that out. Go find Bailey.

Do it. I'm going to try my best to learn from you guys how to do podcasts because it's so different. Like I'm such a handsy. I talk with my hands a little. Oh, we're constantly hitting microphones. I'm surprised we didn't do it while we were sitting down during this. Or I yank out like a charger. from a computer because I'm like, watch.

It happens all that it just almost happened now. But I feel like how do you like how do you make it translate over to your podcast when people are just listening to it, you know? I'm like they can't see my hands. They don't know how excited I am about this. I feel like people can feel it though. They can feel it in your voice. When you're that like impassioned about it and you're moving, I feel like people just

know it instinctively. And you're a good storyteller. I think you have it down. Oh, thanks, guys. Yeah. Of course. It's the truth. Oh, thank you.

Of course. This was amazing. And guys, make sure you go check out Bailey. You will not regret it. Yes. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But it's weird that any of this happens to you and I just really can't get into all of it again, but just like don't do any of this.

Don't do it. Don't do it. Bye.