Morbid - Listener Tales 89

Episode Date: August 29, 2024

Weirdos! The Time has come for Listener Tales! We have a great batch of stories brought TO you, BY you, For you, FROM you, and ALLLLL about you! On today's episode, we tell tales of babysitting for a murderer, a story from our best friend (we're so sorry we accidentally speak over you in the car!! a story about being a ghost writer for an abusive ex, and a nephew who had tea parties with deceased relatives!If you’ve got a listener tale please send it on over to [e-mail] with “Listener Tales” somewhere in the subject line :) Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. Hello, we are here. And so are you. Oh my God, I was literally just going to say, and you are too. And you are too. There you go. We're all here together. Oh, my God. It's, you know, I'm tired. It's been my littlest one is still not sleeping and, you know. Yeah, she just, she's not going to. She needs a sleep study. She truly does. She genuinely does. She's just like not a real thing. hook her up to those monitors, man, figure out what the hell is going on. Help.

But other than that, I think something really sad happened. Andre Leontali died. I know. I feel like every episode lately is like, and this person died. It sucks. It just keeps to be, like, I woke up to that this morning. I was like, are you kidding me? He was a huge, huge figure in fashion.

And I'm not like a huge, like, fashion, like Vogue and everything. Like, I like fashion. Ash is definitely more like fashion. I love fashion. But I definitely. was a fan of Andre Leontali just for who he was as a person. Yeah. And I mean, in case you don't know who he is, he was the creative director at Vogue for a while.

He rose up the ranks, like crazy. He was the editor at large for a long time. He was like six foot six, I think it is, or six foot seven? Yeah, he was like tall. He was this tall force and he wore the best shit. Oh, yeah. He was like fearless with fashion. He just was awesome.

And he also just like had a way about him. I was going to say he just like emitted the best vibes. Just, yeah, like positivity. And he just seemed like he encouraged people a lot, which is nice. Like a very happy person and like someone you want to be around. It's just like a real bummer. Like, thanks a lot, 2022. Like, Jesus.

Yeah, she's being a real bitch. She really is. And like nobody, maybe she's, is she mad that nobody claimed her? I don't know. Should somebody have claimed her? I don't know. I don't know if we want to take that road. Like everybody claimed the last couple, but like, then 2022 is like, I'm so unwanted.

Like, let me be. with you guys and yeah yeah it really sucks i don't know man but Andre leon tally it's a sad sad death rest in fashion baby yeah for real because you know what the other thing that he was a huge proponent for encouraging fashion designers to put more people of color and especially more black models on the runway so he was instrumental you know pushing that and he also he had a quote that i loved and i'm not i'm not going to be able to quote it completely but it was something about he said you don't have to be born aristocratic to become an aristocrat like to like carry yourself like an like he was totally like carry yourself like you're fabulous and royal like that's that's all that

matter i just love him i love that he was great so that's a really sad loss uh to a huge huge community so sad yeah very sad but rest in peace Andre thanks for what you did i was just trying to we don't have a sitcom song for you but we could sing vogue i guess i I suggested that, but then I was like, you know, people are probably going to stop listening if we just sing at them every time. Yeah, we had two sitcom songs that we sang and that we're done. Don't worry. Yeah, we can't come after Madonna. Yeah, we really can't. No, no. Because, you know, I have it like stuck in my head. I know, I do too. I have that like part where. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But yeah, here we are. It's Ash's case today. And I'm excited to hear what it is because she has been chomping at the bit to tell me. me this. Yes, I have. I have been working on this for quite some time now, and then we had a couple of like doleys here and there. Some dealies. Some deities. So we are going to be talking about

Stacy Castor today. I don't know if you know her. She's often referred to as the Black Widow, but a lot of female murderers are, so it doesn't necessarily narrow it down. Yeah, it's one of those, like, um, like there's like a million freeway killers. Yeah, exactly. Just pop that name on people. Yeah. I feel like if you're a woman and you kill like at least two people, you're a black widow. You are a spider. Yeah. Or you're like what my grandpa used to call my aunt because she dated a lot of people in high school. There you go. Yeah. Not me though. I don't refer to you as my aunt. Definitely not. You're my seizzer. But so I started this off like a little bit different because you know I love to like try to tell it a little differently. Like I want to like kind of like stir you up a little and be like oh my God I haven't heard that. And then you're like, oh wait, I have heard that.

Yes. Or maybe you haven't. So we're going to start somewhere toward the end. And we're going to start on morning of September 14th, 2007. Okay. Brie Wallace walks into her sister Ashley's room and finds her laying there with her eyes wide open, non-responsive, and barely breathing. So Brie screams for her mother, Stacey, to please come and help. And Stacey immediately dials 911. Now, while she's on the phone, she's like looking around her daughter's room for any

indication of what could have happened here. And that's when she notices an empty bottle of absolute vodka. and what looks like a note lying next to Ashley's head. So she tells the 911 operator what she sees before her. And she explains that she thinks Ashley drank this whole bottle of vodka and mixed it with Ambien. She said she must have taken Ambien and mixed it with it. Okay. And she starts reading the note.

And clearly this is a suicide note. But this is not your typical suicide note because in this note, Ashley has confessed to two murders. Oh. Yes. the murder of her own father, Michael, who died when she was just 12 years old, and the murder of her stepfather who had died about two years before this. What? So Stacey is an absolute shock, and she just keeps referencing this note on the phone. Like, oh my God, this is a suicide note. Oh, my God. Like, this is what it says. Oh, my God. Like, just keeps harping on this note. And the 911

operator is like, listen, I understand that you've got that note in front of you, but I need to know what's going on with the person in front of you. So I can send the appropriate. get help. Yeah. So Stacey is just in a complete haze, but she looks around her 20-year-old daughter's room. She comments on how messy it is to the 911 operator. And she's like, you just need to get here fast because at this point, Ashley's throwing up. So she sees this note. She's like, the room is a mess just so you know, now she's throwing up. This is what happened. She took these pills and she took, she drank a whole bottle of vodka. So the 911 operator is like, okay, there is a lot going on here. Like, what should we focus on first?

So when the first responders arrived, they quickly got Ashley into an ambulance and they sped off to SUNY upstate medical hospital. Stacey and Bree made their way to the hospital as well. But when Stacey got there, she was not allowed in the room right away and she was pissed about that because that's her daughter. Yeah, of course. So even though the note she had just read meant that her daughter was possibly a murderer, she was putting that aside for the moment and she was just desperate to be by Ashley's side. By that point, Ashley was convulsing, and both Bree and Stacey heard the doctor say something about her heart beating out of control. Oh, geez. So Bree stayed with Stacey in the waiting room while the doctors got Ashley into a stable condition.

And the police arrived on scene quickly, not only because of the nature of this whole incident, but because this family, they'd actually been involved with the police for quite some time, like going on years at this point. because when Ashley's stepfather David Castor had died, there were some unanswered questions, and they were actually focusing in on Stacey, not Ashley. But now that all this was going on, they needed to talk to Ashley because by the sounds of it, she had just confessed to killing her stepfather. Yeah, that's a big deal. So when Ashley was in good enough condition for them to talk to her, they went into the room and they asked her about this quote-unquote suicide note that she had written.

It was almost 750 words long. Geez. Yeah, very long. Usually they're not that long. No. She looks at them and she's like, you're insane. Like what? I didn't write a note.

I didn't take any pills. Like, what is going on here? Oh boy. And two murders? Absolutely not. She's like, I was 12 when my dad died and he died of a heart attack. Oh boy. Yeah.

And as far as she knew, her stepfather had actually committed suicide. And that was after he had lost his own father. So she's like, what the first? fuck is going on here. Yeah, like this is not adding up. She said the last thing that she remembered before ending up in the hospital was having a drink with her mother and then realizing that she didn't feel so good and going to lay down. And she said the next thing she knew, she was being rushed to the hospital and everything was blurry from there. So they wanted to know more about the drink that she had with her mother. They were very interested about that drink. Which at first she was like, what, like,

we had a drink together? Like, what is, what do you mean? Yeah, I'd be like, some shit went down after that drink. But she would quickly realize that she wasn't the only person who felt strange after drinking something that Stacey Castor had prepared. Uh-oh. There were two people before her who experienced the exact same thing. Oh my goodness. Sorry if you already said this. How old is the daughter? 20. 20. Okay. So Stacey Castor, Ashley's mother, let's talk a little bit about her. Yeah. Let's talk about her. Let's do that. She had been born on July 24th, 1967, in upstate New York. So not far from us in New England. Her parents were Jerry Daniels and Judy Eaton. Her mother said that growing up, she wanted to be involved with law somehow, like wanted to be a lawyer or a paralegal.

She did pretty well in school, and her mom said she definitely would have been able to follow that path. But instead, during the end of her senior year, she met this guy who was a little bit older than her. And his name was Michael Mike Wallace. So Stacey was 17 when they met, and he was 23. But she said the second she met him, she knew he was going to be the man that she would get married to. She said five minutes after she met him. Wow. Yeah.

Magic. Magic. It was a love at first sight kind of thing. And Stacey said her mic was the life of the party and he was the kind of guy who would give you the shirt off of his back. He was always there for her, she said. Kind of. Oh. I was going to say, we all need a mic.

Who doesn't love a mic? Yeah. Oh. Mike was there for her in the beginning of things. but he was very much still living the life of a bachelor. He had actually already been married once before. Strangely enough to Stacy's third cousin. Oh, yeah.

All right, we're going down a path now. Going down a path. Here we go. I take it back. Stacey's third cousin and Mike actually had a child together. They had a son. So he already has a child. And their marriage was not a great marriage, the one to Stacy's cousin.

He had actually gone to jail a couple of times, specifically for drinking and driving during that marriage. And his ex-wife, Nancy, said that he had been physically abusive toward her on more than one occasion. Oh, man. You don't want this version of Mike. No. At all.

And she said that this was the reason they ended up divorcing. Okay. But in a strange way, she said she always felt like he was a good guy to some degree. Okay. Yes. So Stacey didn't see that side of Mike when they first started dating, like the yucky side. But it slowly started to reveal itself. As it usually does.

It wasn't physical in the beginning of the relationship, and that wasn't that broke them up because they did end up breaking up over Mike's partying and the fact that he would always pick out or pick going out and having like a wild time over staying with Stacy and like hanging out with her. Oh man. Oh, Mike. So they argued a lot and they ended up breaking up right before Stacy found out that she was pregnant with their daughter Ashley.

Ah. And that was something that made her and Ashley's bond even stronger because it was just the two of them together in the beginning. You got to stick together. They were all each other really had. And Stacey said Ashley was her whole reason for being on this earth. Taking care of Ashley was her main priority and everything else came second. As it should. Of course. So a few months after having Ashley, Stacey and Mike figured things out. They got back together. And in April of 1990, they got married at Stacey's childhood home. Okay. Cute little wedding. All right. So things are, you know, turning around. Yeah, the puzzle pieces they're starting to get put back together. Yeah. So everybody remembered how happy Stacey was. And

even though Mike still had his partying ways about him, Stacy was kind of like the person in his life who kept him more on track. Okay. When Stacy was around, he was stable. Yeah. Some people need that, like, anchor person that just makes them want to be a better person. Right. And a lot of people said it was Stacy who not only was that person, but also wore the pants of the relationship. I always thought that, like, I know, I hate that phrase so much. Makes me just want to like, kick someone in the teeth. I'm like, I wear pants too. We all wear pants. Yeah, like, I'm, like, I'm, I wear the leggings in the relationship, but either way. Whenever somebody says that, but like, who wears the pants in the relationship? I'm like, well, we both do most of the time.

We both put on pants pretty much every day. I'm almost always wearing pants. Like, I mean, most of the time I'm wearing pants. Yeah, most of the time. It's a very dumb. Sometimes neither of us are wearing the pants. Yeah, sometimes pants, you're out of here. It happens. That's the best. That's how you have a great marriage. Pants, you're out of here. Pants. Goodbye. But she wore the pants. I guess Mike was pantsless at all times. So three years after having Ashley together, Mike and Stacey actually had another daughter

named Bree, who we know from the beginning. Look at that. Bree stole Mike's heart. And it became clear rather quickly that Bree was his favorite child. You should not necessarily pick a favorite. And if you do, you should definitely not make it known. Don't make it clear. Ashley said when she was older that she didn't really remember it.

But other people were like, oh, no, it was very evident that he would like pick Bree out and, like, do things with her and leave Ashley to the side. Aw. Which is sad. That's sad. It is because it's like you have two daughters. Like, you have an entirely different relationship with both of them. Well, that's the thing. It's like it's not favorites.

It's just you have a different relationship with them. They're two different people. Right. But to people on the outside, they were like, they're very different relationships in the way where you clearly favor one over the other. That's a bummer. But Ashley said she had fond memories with her dad. but it was like her mom was more of her best friend. Okay.

So as the years passed, things between Stacey and Mike were not always so great. Nobody remembers him being physically abusive toward her, but the couple definitely had their fair share of fights. And most of the time, it was over things like money or Mike's drug used mix with his love for alcohol. And it also didn't help that they worked entirely opposite schedules. Oh, yeah. So it's like basically the makings of a fucking disaster.

Yeah, of course. Because by day, Stacey was working as an ambulance dispatcher, actually. Oh, wow. Ironically. And Mike was a mechanic by night. Okay. So Stacey would tell people all the time during like the later years of like the marriage that she was getting ready to divorce Mike. She wanted to leave him.

She wanted to move on. But that would never happen because it was like there was always something that made her stay. Even though they were having such like intense issues, the love that she felt for him never seemed to go away. I was going to say that's like we've, we talked about that, I think, in like a recent listener Tales episode, people were sending us messages being like, you know, sometimes, like, I think it was one like that, um, there was like an affair that happened and people, and the person was saying like, you know, you can't really judge like, so you care about someone, it's hard. And it's like these kind of things, you're like, there had to have been something. Right. Because something

brings you together. So it doesn't just die out. I mean, sometimes it does. Sometimes it does, but it's like, oftentimes it doesn't. Right. Sometimes it's hard to. see that those really bad things for what they are definitely and as we know mike passed away i said it in the beginning of the story and even after mike passed away stacey still talked about how much love she had for him so it was about 10 years into their marriage when mike started feeling really really shitty it was during the winter of 1999 and ashley remembered that there were times where he just couldn't talk he couldn't walk straight he couldn't remember things oh that's really sad and on one occasion, she remembers him sitting up, projectile vomiting, and then just falling right back to

sleep afterward. Like something was very much going on. Yeah. So because he did struggle with his use of alcohol, the adults in his life probably thought that his condition had something to do with that. But Mike knew that there was something going on with him. So he went to see his doctor that winter and he told the doctor about all of his symptoms. He said he would feel drunk when he literally hadn't touched alcohol, how he couldn't walk straight no matter how hard he tried. And the doctor said, you know, this kind of sounds like an inner ear because there's crystals within the inner ear that can sometimes shift to places where they shouldn't be. And when that happens, a person might feel dizzy or like they can't see straight. Like a vertigo situation. I was just going to say if you've ever

experienced vertigo, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And a lot of times that's the cause for vertigo is the shift of the crystals within the ear. But that was not the case for Mike Wallace. Because while he was waiting on a follow-up appointment, he was still feeling terrible and experiencing the same symptoms. And on January 11, 2000, he laid down just to relax on the couch, probably just looking for some kind of reprieve from this constant dizziness and nausea that he was feeling. But he would never get back off that couch. Ashley got home from school first that day before Bree. And when she got home, she didn't think her dad looked good. And she said that his behavior was just more confusing to her than anything else.

else. He was making weird faces. And at one point, she saw his arm jerk into the air and then fall down. And she thought it was strange, but she's also 12 years old. And she's only 12. She's like, maybe he was sleeping, having a weird dream. Like, I don't know. Yeah. I wouldn't know now. I have no idea. So she wasn't sure. And she had to go pick her sister up from school because she would go walk and get Bree from school. So while Ashley was walking to pick her sister up that day, Stacey got home in the meantime and saw that Mike was clearly in distress. And because she was, She was an adult when she saw his movements that Ashley just thought as strange behavior, Stacey was like, oh, no, I think he's having a heart attack.

Like, that's what that looks like. So she called an ambulance, but it was too late to save Mike's life. He died before they even got to the hospital, and he was just 38 years old. Oh, my goodness. Like so young. Jeez. So they didn't need to have an autopsy because it was pretty clear what had happened here. And Mike wasn't exactly the poster child for, like, health and wellness.

so it didn't raise a lot of eyebrows that he died pretty young. Being his wife, Stacy was the beneficiary of his life insurance policy, and she got a payout of $55,000. So she used part of that money to buy a cemetery plot where she had Mike buried and some of it to take the girls to Disney World. Okay. So some people in Mike's life did have questions. His sister specifically was like, I don't know,

something just doesn't feel right about this, but she kept kind of getting like pushed to the side. Yeah, which often happens. Often happens. And one of the things that people did think was strange, some people, they said that Stacey just didn't really show much emotion about her husband of 10 years suddenly passing away. And there is something to that. Of course.

You know, you can't judge it. We always say it. You can't judge completely someone how they grieve. But like, if there's no sign of emotion. After at least 10 year marriage. It'll at least raise some eyebrows. Right. So it raised some eyebrows.

But other people thought, you know, maybe she's just. trying to be strong for her kids. Like she can't break down constantly and lose herself in grief. But nobody saw Stacey grieving at all. It was just like, it wasn't just putting on a strong face. It was just kind of strange. It was like, okay, like this, that's what it is. And now we have to move on. Yeah. And she also did move on pretty quickly as far as some people were concerned romantically. Because people were like, okay, the end of her marriage to Mike was rocky and she'd been out of it for a long time. So she deserves to move on. But other people were like, no, no, no, that's too fast. Yeah. Now, Ashley and Bree were not stoked when her, when their mom decided to move on,

because for a long time, it was just the three of them. And they would go on like shopping trips. They had gone to Disney. There was a lot of bonding going on. And they had just lost their father. But all of that was going to change when Stacey met a man named David Caster. So Davy met, Stacey met David through her boss in 2001, just one year after Mike passed away. And David was 10 years older than Stacey. But she was used to being with somebody older because Mike was also a little bit older. And she kind of found comfort in David. So he himself had been married before to a woman named Janice. They were high school sweethearts. They got married. They had a son. They had like a whole life together before divorcing in August of 2001. Now after meeting,

after meeting the two of them, Stacy went to go work for David at his heating and cooling company that he'd owned for the past some odd years. And Janice's, I just remembered that it was pretty typical for David to hire the women that he was dating. They would work for him as like secretaries making different appointments. She actually had worked for the company herself for a long time before their marriage ended. And David had actually asked some of those previous girlfriends to marry him as well, but they had all said no. Oh, when he asked Stacey, she was the one who said yes. And to Janice, it kind of seemed like Stacey was more saying yes to a life of security than marrying David for love.

Because not only did David have his own business, he also owned a beautiful home that Stacey and her daughters would move into. He also had a lot of nice things. He had like snowmobiles, four-wheelers, people called them his toys. They would go on like vacations. It was a nice lifestyle that she was about to marry into. Absolutely. So they did get married in August of 2003, but things were not hunky dory at Kathy Hilton. Ashley and Bree really weren't into the idea of getting a new step down.

and uprooting their whole entire lives to move in with him. No, of course not. They've been through a lot. They've been through a lot. And David wasn't really a warm, fuzzy stepdad either. He had his own son, but his son was grown by this point. And he was like, oh, great, like two kids come along with this. Like, well, that's what you're walking into, buddy.

Yeah, exactly. He told Stacey on multiple occasions that he just really didn't want a lot to do with the girls, but also at the same time wanted to be a disciplinarian in their life. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, like get out. You cannot do it. No. You cannot do that.

You get both or you get nothing. But he, according to many people, was the guy who expected people to do as they were told. He was the one dealing out the orders. And Stacey said, if he wanted the girls to listen to, or excuse me, Stacey said he wanted the girls to listen to him and not ask questions. But she was like, they're my kids. They're going to ask questions. Yeah, of course they are.

That's what kids do, man. Of course. So, like, of course they're not supposed to, like, question, like, basic things that you're telling them they have to do. Like, but because they're old enough that it's not like a five-year-old being like, why do I have to brush my teeth. Exactly. Let me explain why. It's like, but they're going to have questions. You're not, you know, you're new.

And you're not their dad. You're new here. You're not their dad. So, you're not my dad. You're not my dad. So obviously this led to a lot of tension in the household and a lot of arguments between not only the girls and David, but Stacy and David, too. Of course. So one of the biggest fights happened when Stacey and David were actually trying to figure out what they should do for their second wedding anniversary.

By this point into their marriage, it was not going great. I think Stacey was actually seeing somebody on the side. Not good. And they were just... I would say that's not growing great. I'd say that's actually the opposite of going great. Yeah, I would say that's going poorly. Yeah.

So David was like, I want to go somewhere for a weekend. We can kind of like reconnect. We can figure out what's going on here. Let's just go away together. And Stacey was like, I don't want to because Ashley was old enough to stay home by herself. She was about 17 or 18 at that point. But Brie was only about 14 or 15. And Stacey was like, I don't really want her to be home by herself.

No, I'd be the same way. An extended period of time. Yeah. So David was like, you know what? Fuck this. Like I'm trying to figure out this marriage. I'm trying to make this work with you. Yeah.

And I think to him also, this had happened before, she was picking her daughters over him. And that wasn't cool with him. Yeah. He was pissed and according to her he started drinking a lot that weekend and he screamed at her to get the fuck out of his house and to take her kids with her. Jeez. So it was a very bad weekend. This is not a great weekend. He had also just lost his father.

His dad died of mesothelioma. Mesothelioma. I can never say that. It's a hard one. Mesothelioma. There you go. Just a month before all of this. So he was going through a lot and then their marriage was going through a lot.

It was a really shitty time. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you definitely shouldn't lash out on people. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. No, I know you're not saying that. I'm just saying like, yeah, like, you know, that's not cool, man. Exactly. But Stacy was like, you know, he's been depressed.

Now we're fighting. Our marriage is on the rocks. Like, I'm just going to fucking leave him alone if that's what he wants. Yeah. So the weekend that he screamed at her to get the fuck out of his house, she did as she was told that she spent most of that week in avoiding him, she said. But she would go back, check on him every now and again. Because according to her, he was in a full-blown drinking binge.

that point and had like basically kind of sequestered himself into their bedroom. So over the weekend, she was able to get into the bedroom from time to time. Sometimes the door was locked. Sometimes it wasn't. At one point she came in and she found him passed out on the floor, she said, completely naked. So she put some underwear on him and she actually had to call one of their friends to help get him back into bed. That friend was Mike Coleman. And he said that he and David had been friends for years. So he came over the second that Stacey called. He's like, yeah, of course I'll help you out. And he said when he got there, David was so out of it that he didn't even recognize him. Like he didn't know who Mike was. Oh boy. So he helped Stacey get him into bed and he left. Then on August 22nd, 2005, things took a

turn for the worst. Stacey called 911 telling the operator that she wasn't even able to get into her bedroom and that her husband was locked in there. She said that she hadn't talked to him since the day before really early in the morning and that he screamed at her to leave him alone. And then that he had gotten a bottle of Southern comfort and locked himself in that room. So she said she was checking in from time to time. She would lean her ear against the door. And she said he snored like a Mack truck. So she heard him.

And all of a sudden, she didn't hear anything. And she was really concerned. So she calls 911. Officers get there and they have to break the door down. Uh-oh. And when they break the door down, they find 48-year-old day. David Castor faced down in a pool of his own vomit. Oh.

Dead. Oh. So there was an empty bottle of antifreeze on the floor below him. Huh. And what looked like a glass of anti-freeze on the table. I should say anti-freeze. I don't know what I'm saying. Anti-freeze.

And anti-freeze in a glass next to his bedside table next to a bottle of alcohol. And then another glass with kind of like a sticky substance in it. That maybe it was like cranberry juice or something. thing. It's like an old drink. It was yucky. And just a glass of antifreeze? Yes. Oh. Yep. So David, they rushed him to the hospital, but he's dead. He apparently died of kidney failure from drinking antifreeze. Wow. And his death was ultimately ruled a suicide based on the information that Stacey gave. Oh, what a way. So we're going to get into like a little bit of what happens when somebody ingests antifreeze.

Yes, we will. For somebody to use antifreeze as a means of suicide is not very common. No. Specifically because it is a very slow and painful death. I was going to say that's an agonizing death. Agonizing. Because when a person ingest antifreeze, their body starts to metabolize the chemicals, which is why it takes a while for the poisoning to take effect.

And all this following information, I read on Medical Today. Medical Today. Today. So apparently antifreeze poisoning is about three stages. So in stage one, this occurs 30 minutes to 12 hours after ingesting antifreeze. The ethylene glycol will affect the central nervous system. And it gives you kind of like similar effects to being drunk. You might have loss of coordination, slurred speech, fatigue, dizziness, headache, euphoria, I guess.

All that fun stuff. You could get nauseous. You could throw up. You could also have a seizure and go into a coma if it's real bad. stage two two stage two stage two happens about 12 to 24 hours after consumption this is when your body starts to metabolize those chemicals and it turns them into toxic acids which then lowers your blood's pH and that causes a condition called metabolic acidosis oh and that can occur when the kidneys are unable to get rid of extra acids so it's metabolizing in your kidneys fun when this happens, your kidneys, your brain, your lungs, and liver will start to experience different symptoms, which can include shallow breathing, irregular heartbeat, and that's because the acids will lead to a large level of potassium in the blood, also known as hypercalaemia, which can lead to

cardiac arrest. Ah. Also, changes in the blood pressure can happen, fatigue, confusion, dehydration, and again, you can also go into a coma at this point. Wow. And by stage two, aggressive treatment could be very necessary. Yeah. Stage three happens 24 to 72 hours after ingesting.

And at this point, a buildup of calcium oxalate crystals will potentially lead to the kidneys failing, which is exactly what happened in David's case. Man. So his kidney staled. That is a tough death. A very tough death. A long. And the agonizing death.

The grueling. And I just, oh, I can't imagine experiencing all of that. Yeah. So something about David's death while they were walking around this house obviously didn't really seem like cut and dry to investigators who arrived on scene. Nope, it doesn't to me. They were like, we don't necessarily walk into a suicide like this every time. No.

So one detective in particular, Dominic Spinelli, was like, there is something very wrong with this whole scenario. Yeah. Why would this guy have? have used anti-freeze as a means to go when he literally had a gun under his bed that he used for hunting. Okay, thank you. I was just going to ask that. I was like, was there a gun in this house? Not that I'm saying like, you know, no way to die is a great way to die. Of course.

To pick anti-freeze over that is, woo. It's just not. And a lot of times, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Men aren't poisoners usually. I was also thinking that. Like, it doesn't go along with any of the, right. The typical things that you would find in a case. And obviously there are times where like it will happen. Of course, people go against it all the time. It's not often that they see this. And they're like, there's a gun literally like next to the

antifreeze, like a little bit under the bed. That's confusing. And Janice, David's ex-wife, who had been with him for about 25 years. Wow. Was like, I don't think he would have killed himself. Like, I just, I don't see that. Yeah. She's just like, I do have some sense. And especially not this way. No. So they obviously had to search the house and they did some forensic test. And Dominic felt like his gut feeling was proving to be more than just a feeling because in searching the house, they found a turkey baster in the garbage. Oh. The turkey baster had remnants of antifreeze inside of it, along with David's DNA. A turkey baster?

So inside of the turkey baster and a little bit on the outside was antifreeze and traces of David's DNA. And I'm kind of picturing the one with like the black top. So then picture the black top. area, that has Stacey's fingerprints on it. Oh, come on. Come on. But like, this is her house. That's her turkey baster. Yeah, you use it to base the turkeys. The glass on the bedside table filled with antifreeze also showed Stacey's fingerprints. I also just looked up the picture in that glass of antifreeze is the most ominous scary thing I've ever seen. Just a glass full of green liquid that you see in your driveway if you have a leak. It looks like an alien liquid. It's so scary.

It's so freaky. With the turkey baster. And then the first. fact that they're, I mean, again, it's her house. Right. So both of these things, yeah. Of course they're in my house. I touch these things all the time. Right. It's, oh.

The weird thing about the glass is that the fingerprints were on the bottom of the glass. Almost like she had held it up to somebody's mouth for them to drink. Oh. Hmm. Oh my God. This is horrific. So the detectives were like, hey, you think that we should invite Stacy to come talk to us at the station for a minute? Maybe.

And almost immediately. She explained to them why she thought David would have used antifreeze as a means of suicide. Oh, I'm glad she has a logical explanation for this. She told the detectives that the two of them had been watching 48 hours recently, that show that we all know and love. And she said that the show they had watched featured a woman Lynn Turner, who had killed her husband and then later her boyfriend by mixing antifreeze into green jello. Okay. Like that's a case. That really happened.

Lynn even got away with it for some time. So far, this is not making her look better. No. To me. No, not at all. I'd be like, go on. Go on. Like what?

And she was like, well, that's how he got inspired to do this. It's like, no, I think that's how you got inspired to do this. Precisely. You and Detective Spinelli found it rather strange that Stacy just offered up that information when she herself had also lost two husbands and one of them died by the same means as Lynn Turner's two partners. Yeah. And he started to wonder, did Mike Wallace have a heart attack?

Oh, boy. Or was there more to this story? Oh, boy. So he asked a couple of questions about Mike while they were down there, too. And Stacey said Mike had a myriad of health issues, and it was really no surprise that he died when he did. And looking into his medical files, Detective Spinelli found the exact opposite. Mike's only health issues came at the very end of his life just about one year before he died. And he thought, you know, I wonder what would happen if we got permission to exhume. Mike's body. What would we find? Get the fuck out. So he also, because the other reason that he wanted to do that was because Mike's body had not been autopsied. Because they thought that he just died of a heart attack. Yeah, it was a clear cut. Clear cut, right? No foul play. None. So it took about a year to get permission from the county where Mike was buried to get his body exempt. It takes a while. And when they did, Detective Spinelli's suspicions were confirmed. Mike Wallace's kidneys were riddled with anti-freeze crystals. My God.

Riddled. What? So if he had just had an autopsy, boom, bang, shaboo. Boom. Wow. Fowl play. Wow. What were the odds that somebody's husband,

excuse me, what were the odds that both of somebody's husbands die this exact same way? There are no odds. I'm sorry. That's not a thing. Not even slim to none, just no odds. Just zero. So not only did they find anti-freeze crystals as proof of poisoning, but Mike's body also showed traces of rat poison.

So he was doubly poisoned. And the detectives decided to keep that information about the rat poison close to the chest, knowing full well that they would use it against Stacey later on. Absolutely. And just thinking about how that explains some of that bizarre behavior, like the stuff that must have been going on inside of his body is a nightmare to think about. Yeah. I mean, literally every single like symptom that I explained before.

that I got from medical today. Medical today. He was experiencing. Yeah. Like the fatigue, the like drunkenness when you're not drunk. Nausea, vomiting. Like feelings of like being drunk. Cardiac arrest.

Like he definitely did have a heart attack. Absolutely. A random heart attack. But it was not a natural heart attack that just happened. It was a rat poison and antifreeze induced. Ooh, heart attack. That is truly something. So with that, they decided to head out and see Stacy again.

Yeah, you should probably talk to her. check in, ask a couple questions. You know, we're just checking in. We just want to chat. Yeah. And this time they were like, we really, we want to talk about David, of course. Yeah. So during that interview, Stacey did not just lie about how many times she had called the house to check in on David that weekend that he had supposedly told her to get her kids and get out of there.

She said that she called every 30 to 45 minutes because she was like, you know, I was checking in on him. Like, I was really worried. Cell phone records and home phone record showed that she called. One time. Dude, how, why? Why do people lie about this shit? One time. You know that they can figure that out.

How do you not know at this point? That's one of the easiest ways they can find shit out. Like lying about phone records is the easiest thing to just be like, nope, lies. Lie. Come on. Not only that, I could just look at your fucking phone log. And you're not even lying about like, I called them like two or three times and it was one time. That would even be like stupid because you're like you call wants, dude.

She said I called every 30 to 45. I've said like seconds of minutes. You might as well. Seriously at that point. Come on. Like, you can't back away from that. No. That's the biggest lie.

That's huge. Big lie. Huge is lie. Big mistake. Huge. So not only, you think that's a big mistake huge, not only did she lie about that, she made a very interesting slip up during this, uh, uh, uh, this little scushy scush.

The detectives asked her about the, the glasses on the, bedside table and they were like, remind us which one you poured the, uh, the cranberry juice into. And so she said, well, I poured the anti-free, I mean the cranberry juice into this glass. Oh my God. What a Freudian slip, sister. Well, I poured the anti-free, I mean the cranberry juice. That's not a Freudian slip. That's a Jack the Ripper slip. Like, that's a murderous slip you have there. Holy shit. Can you imagine sitting there? those detectives and you're just like, oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, no.

Yeah. Nope. That was something. Nope. I poured the anti-free. I mean, that's like a, that's like a parody of a investigation. That's an SNL skin. That literally is.

Holy shit. So noting that slip up, they were like, write that down. They were like, okay. So if you poured the anti-free, I mean, cranberry juice into this glass, why are your fingerprints on this other glass with the antifreeze in it? Because, oh, wow. And they were, so they asked her that, and she starts losing it. She's like, I know what you're trying to do here.

Like, you're trying to pin this on me. Like, freaks the fuck out. It's like, your interview is over. The shoe fits. And as she's walking out, they have, like, pictures on the table. And she sees a picture of the turkey baster. And she's like, what's that? And Detective Spinelli looked at her and goes, you concluded the interview.

I can't talk to you anymore. Oh, the sass. Boom. The spice. I love it. She's like, that's it. I'm out of here. You're trying to frame me for murder. Wow. Little did she know. At that point, they had also tapped her phones and were listening into every phone conversation that she was having. Oh, man, the sloppiest. Yeah, and they were about to visit her daughter at school because... This is so sad. This part of it is really sad.

This is really sad. And I wish that this part didn't have to go down like this because Ashley had just started college that week at Bryant and Stratton Business Institute. She had hopes of becoming an accountant someday. So the detectives show up at school on her first week, and they pull her out of class as she's literally signing into class. And she's like, great. And she has no idea what's going on. And they were like, listen, you need to know something. Your dad did not die of a heart attack.

He was poisoned. Have a good day at school. Have a great day. Yeah. So she's in complete shock. And she tells the police, no, there's some kind of mistake. Like, absolutely not. He died of a heart attack.

I basically saw it happen and didn't realize it because I was. Oh my goodness. And it's like you don't want to believe. No. You obviously, nothing is great about dying, but you don't want to believe somebody poisoned your father. Of course not. So the police wrap up with her and she calls her mom crying and she's like, they just showed up at my school.

They're telling me that daddy was poisoned. Like, no, he wasn't. Like he couldn't have been. And Stacy had already called Ashley directly after that interview like a couple days before. And her phones are tapped at this point. Her phones are tapped. They hear, they're hearing all of this.

And she's saying the police are trying to frame me. So now Ashley's calling her and being like, you know, they're saying daddy was poisoned. Like they are trying to frame you. Like, oh my God. Like she's freaking out. So Stacey's like, you know what? I'm going to come and get you. And bad bitch Ashley is like, no, I have to finish my classes.

Oh my goodness. She finished her classes that day. Wow. Finished her classes. And then Stacey picked her up from school. Jeez. So when she gets in the car, Stacy looks at her and she's like, you know, we have both been going through so much, especially today.

It's been such a hard day. let's go get a few drinks you know let's cope by getting drunk which it's like okay there's been a lot of sadness revolving alcohol in your family like maybe don't use that as a coping mechanism especially with your child maybe right maybe figure out like a loving way to cope why don't we watch our favorite movie why don't we sit down watch your favorite movie eat some ooey gooey mac and cheese and just have a moment together yeah let's paint I'll paint your toenails no let's go get drunk like okay not Not good. That doesn't work.

And Ashley was like, oh, whoa, okay. Because she wasn't even 21 yet. At this point, she's 20. So she was like, my mom is not the kind of mom that would just suggest day drinking. Yeah. But she also said, what kind of teenager wouldn't think that was awesome? A parent just gave you permission to drink. Sweet.

So I drank with her. Of course you did. Of course. She's 20. I would have done the exact same thing. It makes 100%. Like, I sense that she was like, yes, let's do that. Right. From the mom's point of view, it's like, no.

No. Bad choice. You're responsible. From the child's, but you're a child. You're a child. You're 20 years old. Your mom's like, let's have a couple drinks. You're probably like, great. Go off. Cool. Let's do that. So the first drink that Ashley had was one that Stacey poured for her into a tall glass. And then the rest of the drinks that she had, she drank directly from the bottle. I think she said that they were drinking smeared off watermelon flavor, which sends me back to being iced and gives me PTSD. That makes my stomach hurt.

Have you ever been iced? No. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I haven't been personally, but yeah. Horrific experience. So after a while, she said that she's starting to feel nauseous and Stacey said, you know, go lay down, take this pill, you'll sleep it off. So she gives her a pill. I'm assuming it was Ambien. I'm still like, this is the worst parenting I've ever seen in my life. On planet Earth. So Ashley takes the pill and she does it off to sleep. And she wakes up the next day feeling like absolute dog shit. She's like, I was like, this is what a hangover is like oh my it's one of the it's the I've never drinking again kind of hangover absolutely so she's like who bad bitch goes to school man that's dedication incredibly responsible like so incredibly responsible she goes to school she finishes her classes I think she must have had morning classes that day because she got home like before noon and stacey was there waiting for her and she was like you know what last night was fun let's do that again oh no and Ashley's like isn't it like a little early to start drinking again? And she was like, oh my gosh, no. Like by the time we get

everything, like whatever we need to get done and start, it's going to be noon. It will be fine. Yeah, absolutely. And she was like, you know, my mom was going through a lot of stress. She was going through a lot of stress. And this is her mom. Like, she trusts her mom. So what's the big deal? Yeah, this is by no means, like the child's fault. No. So Stacey runs to the liquor store and she comes back with some vodka telling Ashley, I'm going to mix up some screwdrivers. Have you ever had a screwdriver and Ashley's like, no, I haven't. And she's like, okay, I'm going to mix these up. You run down to the laundry and just, or excuse me, run down to the basement and switch

the laundry. And Ashley's like, cool, sounds good. Like, make me my drink. I'll help you out too. So Ashley comes back upstairs and the drinks are mixed. And her mom hands her a glass with the vodka and orange juice mixture. But as Ashley looks down at the glass, she sees these little floating specs in her drink. And she's like, ew, mom, like they're shit in my glass.

And she's like, oh, no, no, no. That's just the spice I mix. in. Oh yeah, the screwdriver spice. Have you, okay, I was like, do people put spice in a screwdriver? I'm not a big drinker and I never really have been. I've had screwdrivers in my life. Same. I have never, ever heard of spice being put in a screwdriver. I don't even know what spice you would put in there. But I don't think that is a thing. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, like, tweet me if you put spice in your screwdriver. Yeah, I'm interested to know. Because like what the, I don't even know what would go with that. It's orange juice and like at the like nutmeg.

I feel like that would be gross. But even that would be weird. Like cinnamon, I feel like, no, nothing works. Right? That's how I feel. Because in my head I was like, okay, so what goes with orange? But I think she was playing off of, have you ever had a screwdriver before? Yes.

No, I've never had one. Oh, this is how you make it. This is the fights. You just don't know. You're 20. Right. You never had one. You just told me you haven't had one. Exactly.

This is how you make it. Exactly. Easy. Yeah. Like easy to, how. This is getting more and more horrific as it goes because I'm just like, this is your child. This is your whole ass baby. This is your whole ass baby.

This is your whole ass job. This is your first born child who you said was like your entire world. Yeah, this is like really, really horrific. Yeah. So she is like, okay, I guess there's spice and a screwdriver. Ashley takes a sip and she's like, ugh. She's like, this is disgusting. Like, I don't want to drink this.

And her mom is like, Ash, it's a screwdriver. And she puts a straw in the glass. And she says, put this straw to the back of your throat and you won't taste it. You won't taste the screwdriver and we can still have fun. This is horrible. She's like, this is a party trick I learned when I was younger. Are you kidding me, Stacey? No, she's not kidding you.

Holy shit. So Ashley does as she's told. She's like, okay, like my mom's teaching me party tricks on drinking. Like, cool. I would have thought the same thing. We're going with it. We're going through a lot right now. She's vibing, I guess.

Yeah. So Ashley sucks the drink down. But this day was much different than the day before. She had one drink and started to feel exactly how she felt the day before after like three or four to five drinks. Yeah. So she's like, I have to go lay down. But this time a lot longer than the day before.

So that night, her boyfriend kept calling her phone, her cell phone. And he thought that he had left his wallet in her room, but she wasn't answering. So he drives over to the house and he parks outside and he calls one last time. I'm going to be like, hey, like I'm outside. Is my wallet there? Yeah. And this time, Stacey answers Ashley's cell phone. And she says, Ashley's sleeping.

want to call me back on the home phone, which is hilarious, because that is tapped. And Ashley's cell phone is not. That's amazing. It's just like a great. What a great twist of fate. Really? So he's like, okay. So he calls the house and he's like, hey, I think my wallet is inside Ashley's room.

Would you mind checking for me? Because she said Ashley was asleep. So she's like, yeah, sure. Hang on a sec. And then she comes back to the phone a minute later. And she's like, I just checked. It's not there. And he was like, okay, thanks.

But he later was like, no light ever went on. in Ashley's room. Like, I was looking right up at the room. I was standing right outside. I was standing right there. And I could hear that she had people over. She had people over this night. So she has, what I assume, poisoned her child.

Probably. And had people over while her child lay dying in her room. Yes. What a fucking demon. Demon. Holy shit. Yup. Whoa.

Yeah. Okay. And it was not, like, crazy for her to have people over. I mean, in this situation. is actually fucking crazy. It was not unlike her to have people over because after David died, Stacey had people in and out of that house all the time. The neighbors not only remembered that, but they said pretty soon after David was gone, Stacey was doing all kinds of projects outside the house, inside the house. She was changing the entire look of the place. And

technically she had the right to because David had left everything in his will to her. Yeah, normally that wouldn't be like so weird if none of this other stuff was happening. Well, and it wouldn't be so weird that he left everything in his will to her if he didn't have a grown-up son and grandchildren. Oh, I forgot he had a grown son. He is a grown son and two grandchildren. And some people were like, no, he would have left like at least something to his child. I totally forgot he had a grown son. Thank you for reminding me. So they were like, what is going on? Yeah, that doesn't make sense. She also has a full-blown boyfriend at this point who's the same guy that she was seeing while she was still married to David. Cool. And people were like, he was in and out of that

house all the time. Jesus. So now this is the point in the story where we rewind all the way to the beginning. The morning of September 14th, when Brie finds her sister barely conscious in her room and rushes to the hospital. So Ashley wakes up, she's told that she took a bunch of pills. She drank a whole bunch of vodka. She left a suicide note. And she's like, no, no, no, no, no.

Something about this situation is totally off. And the detectives, I did not write that. The detectives look at the note that she wrote. that Ashley wrote. And the hair on the back of their neck stands up because at four different points in this letter, the word antifree is used. Not antifree's.

In case you don't remember, during her interview, Stacey referred to the word as antifree. In their minds, they thought she was just stopping short, realizing she had made a mistake. Holy shit. She thinks it's called anti-free.

Oh, wow. Wow. Yup. So, so she's. And they have this written in their notes. They wrote down literally like anti-free. Wow. So at this point, still in the hospital, Stacey Castor is arrested on suspicion of murder for David Wallace

and the attempted murder of her firstborn child and daughter, Ashley Wallace. Who she was going to pin everything on after murdering her. She was trying to say that a. 12-year-old girl poisoned her own father, and then a 17- or 18-year-old girl murdered her stepfather in the same manner. And then killed herself with antifree. Killed her-s. With anti-free.

No, no, so there wasn't antifree in Ashley. She had dosed everything with pills. Oh, it was pills. And that's what the white specks were. That makes sense. That's what the specs were in her glass. She had put a bunch of pills. Because, remember, in the beginning, she had said she took a bunch of pills.

And she, I believe it was Ambien. She said that she had taken. Everything was in her system. Wow. Yep. That is shocking. So, yeah, she gets arrested. And throughout the lead up to her trial, and even during and after, she maintained

that she was innocent and it was Ashley who must have committed these murders. She had left the note. It was her. Oh, my God. What an evil son of a bitch. Police investigated that note and found out that Stacey's prince were the the only fingerprints on the note. Of course they were.

And it had been written on the computer three different times. There were two rough drafts. And then a final version, all written at times when Ashley was verified at school, had signed in to classes. Her own mother, she's sitting in class and her own mother is writing a suicide note knowing she's going to murder her and frame her for murder. A 750 page, or excuse me. word suicide note framing her child for murder and just saying like I did it for you mommy wow yeah I'm going to link a book that I read in the show notes it's called mommy deadliest and it was written by michael benson and you can read basically the entire note no wow and it is so chilling and there's

no punctuation in the entire note oh so it's just like it's like hard to read and a lot of things are spelled wrong, including antipree. Yes. But even after the police investigated, found out that her prints are all over it, realized that she's written this while Ashley is at school, there were still people who believed Stacy. Who? They could not believe that this woman had gone through so much. And one of those people was her mother, Judy.

Judy said, they were blaming Stacy for this. I kind of went hysterical. I cannot believe Stacey has it in her to kill two men, especially men she's supposed to love. I do not believe Stacey did it. She would not frame Ashley. What? So Judy believed that her granddaughter had killed her father when she was 12 years old and then killed her stepfather too. And she said to support this, Ashley had always been jealous of the relationship that her father had with Bree.

And she knew that she wasn't the favorite. So she had all this built up resentment and jealousy over the years. And she also said, Bree and Ashley hated David. He didn't like them. They had like a super tumultuous relationship. They'd fight all the time. That does not mean that she killed them with antifree. No.

No. Or anti-freeze. Or anti-freeze. Judy was not the only person who believed that Ashley was guilty of it. There were like people in the neighborhood who said she had a dark side to her personality. And she even had a temper. Oh, she had a temper. Oh, well, lock her up.

I don't really know how they looked past all the physical evidence. Yeah. Come on. And the fact that that that note was literally written when she was verified at school. Written verified at school. Fingreprints are all over it. Her ex-husband, or excuse me, like old husband, it wasn't even her ex-husband. His body was exhumed and showed traces of rat poison and anti-free crystals.

Like, come on. Unreal. This woman. Basically, to me, it is so damning that she said anti-free. So damning. And then wrote it in the note. That is so damning. For different times.

That is a very clear pattern of speech that she has, that she thought that's how you said it. That's linguistics, baby. It is. So Stacey Castor was indicted on, nope, not June at all, December. I don't know how I just looked at. On June. The word December and said June. That's on some June.

Nope. December. She was indicted. December 20th, 2007. She faced three charges. One count of second degree murder. one count of second degree attempted murder, and a plot to present a forged will. Yes.

It turned out that David's son, David Jr., had actually sued her in the past, knowing full well that there was no way his father would have left every last thing to Stacy. Stacy had done things that his father never would have done. She sold the business, which was a family business for, like, since its creation, for $200,000. Oh, my God. Yeah. She was changing the house completely. This stuff should tell you that something was going awry.

Absolutely. But two of Stacey's friends had come forward and said that they were witnesses to the change of the will. And they said they saw both David and Stacey sign it the day after they got married. Oh. The new will. Yeah. Both parties signed affidavits in the original suit. But then when they realized what could happen, what charges could be brought against them, had they lied on an affidavit, they withdrew their statements.

Oh, yeah, you didn't know how that worked? Yeah. You can't lie? Yep. So Lynn Poleski, I believe is how you say it, and her husband, Paul. They said they signed the will after David had already died, thinking that they were just doing Stacey a favor. Yeah.

Lynn said, I figured that if I could help, if I could help make things go smoother for her, then why not? I never in my wildest imagination thought it would turn out to be what it was. Wow. And because they cooperated with the rest of the investigation, they didn't face it. any charges. But they lied on an affidavit. Good. Yeah. Good. And you just want to be like, do you have an explanation for that? Like, why you lied? Why did you change your story? I just thought I would make things go smoother for her. Yeah, I just wanted to make it smooth. Cool, cool, cool.

So during the trial, which took place in January of 2009, Ashley testified against her mother and recalling the whole lead-up of events to her near-death experience. She looked right at Stacy and told her, I never knew what hate was until now. As horrible as it makes me feel, This is goodbye, mom. As hard as you tried, I survived. Oh, that just gave me full chills. I know I actually have like actual goosebumps right now. And just that first part being like as hard as this is to say goodbye.

And as hard as you tried to kill me. I survived like to your mother. Like that's what that means. As hard as you tried to kill me. I survived. Because it's like I would never question something my mom handed me to drink. And it's like, and of course she wasn't. Of course.

And it's like you just think. Holy shit, to think that she betrayed her trust that way and literally tried to kill her. Yeah. And then, like, had people over while she knew her child was dying. Yeah. Or hoped she was. And not only, like, tried to kill her daughter, but tried to kill her daughter and make it seem like her daughter was a murderer. A double murderer.

Yeah, exactly. Like, completely tarnish her life. Forever. Wow. So the prosecutors were able to use the evidence not only, like, all the evidence against her with the note and the computer and everything, but they also were able to bring in the evidence that they found during the exhumation of Mike Wallace's body. Oh, I was waiting for that. They also had the evidence of that turkey baster with her fingerprints all over it. Yeah, they do. And David's DNA

inside of the turkey baster alongside antifreeze. Yeah, which, hello. Hi. So they painted a picture for the jury telling them that Stacey Castor had most likely used that turkey baster to pour more anti-freeze down her already dying husband's throat. They explained that Stacey's fingerprints found on the bottom of the glass, which had antifreeze inside. That reasoning for them being on the bottom of the glass was because she probably held it up to her husband's mouth, pouring even more antifreeze down his throat. Oh, my God.

Yep. This is so vicious. And then they presented the computer evidence. It showed that the suicide notes had been written two. days before Stacey drugged and killed her daughter. Wow. So she knew she was going to do this for a while. Yeah. So clearly like the first set of drinks that they had were also spiked with drugs. Of course. That's why she felt like shit. So the next time she must have put a crazy amount in there. And it just to me seems like that that whole like, have you ever had a screwdriver? No. She was like,

well, I can really fuck with this one because she's never had it before. She doesn't know if it's like shitty or not. Right. And this is something that like, of course I'm going to have to make in a glass in hand to her. She questioned that. Yeah, I got to mix it. Right. Like she'll question me pouring a smear enough ice into a glass, but she won't. But I'm making a cocktail. It's a mixed drink.

And it's got color in it, so it's going to hide that any powder. The white residue. And then if she does see the fucking residue, I can tell her I spiced it, not spiked it. Oh, my God. So the jury, they deliberated for four days, actually. Wow. And when they came back, they found Stacey Kester guilty on all charges. Yeah.

She was sentenced to. Same. Me too. She was sentenced to 50. years in prison. And the judge Joseph Fahey told her, quote, in my 34 years in the criminal justice system as a lawyer and a judge, I've seen serial killers, contract killers, killers, killers of every variety in stripe. But I have to say, Mrs. Castor, you are in a class all by yourself. Yes. So that is a perfect way to describe it because she's not even, you couldn't even call her a

black widow. No. She tried to murder her own child and then blame the black widowness on her child. Right. Yeah, so the judge was like, you're in another galaxy. Something, ma'am. And with that, she was sent to Bedford Hills Corridal Facility for Women in New York to serve her time. Bye. But that's not the end of the story. If you tell me that she's out walking around right now, I will leave this room. Okay, I promise I won't tell you that. Okay. So during Stacey's trial, word started to spread about another man in her life who had passed away somewhat unexpectedly. Her father, Jerry Daniels.

So in February of 2002, he was in the hospital being treated for like a lung-related issue. But by all means, he was doing well. And on February 25th, his doctor said he would be probably ready to head home the next day. He was about to be released. So his family, who was there to hear the news, including Stacey, were so happy to hear that he was going to be okay. Of course.

So Stacey came back the next day to pick her data. And while they were waiting to be discharged, she brought him in a soda. Witnesses there that day remembered that that can of soda was already open when she handed it to her dad. Stop it. Jerry Daniels, who by all means was pretty much recovered, died the next day. I cannot. Yeah, and his death was attributed to natural causes. Sounds legit.

Yeah. And Stacy was the executor of his will, of course. Wow. So she quickly arranged for him to be cremated and also, inherited all of his money. Hmm. Casual. Look at that.

And the cremation. Yeah, cremation. But he was buried on the same plot that Stacey had Michael Wallace and David Caster buried. What? So they are literally, they are like all in the same area. Is she doing like a potential murder garden? That's actually.

Her brother-in-law literally called it, quote-unquote, Stacey's monument to murder. That's what it is. That's wild. Very much what it is. He said, you've got Mike on the far right, David on the far left, and I said, what's she doing? Starting a collection up there? Oh, that's awful.

So the good thing is that David Castor's son, David Jr., he was actually able to move his father's remains from that plot in 2016. Oh, good. And he had Stacy's name taken off the grave marker. Good. So it doesn't say, like, loving wife. Can you imagine having to see that? No, and especially knowing what he knows. Yeah.

So the DA was looking into the death of Jerry Daniels, but because, he's cremated, like there's really no way of finding out what happened. That took care of that. Right. And Stacey was never convicted of Michael Wallace's murder because on June 11th, 2016, at 48 years old, she died in prison. Oh. Died ironically of a heart attack. Stop it. Like, somewhat poetic justice. I was just going to say that's a little poetic. It's a little poetic. Wow, that's young, too. Yeah, 48. And it's the same. And it's the same. age that David was when he died. Oh, wow. I didn't even think of that. Yep. Mike was 38. David was 48. Wow. And she never talked to her daughters ever again. After Ashley testified against her,

she never saw her mother again and neither did Bree. Oh, those poor girls. Yeah. Ashley, basically, like, looking back on it, said, I hate my mother for ruining so many people's lives. What gave her the right to play God with people? I never knew what hate was until now. And even though I do hate her, I still love her at the same time. She was my best. friend too she was and then she took all of that away I would have done anything for her but she decided she wanted to kill me instead oh to say that about your mom like yeah she wanted to kill me i would have done anything for her but she wanted to kill me to try to reconcile that is beyond no beyond imagination so sad man so that is is the story of stacy castor the quote unquote black widow but i feel like

that does not even No. Do it. It really doesn't. And you know, I just feel so bad for all the kids involved and all the family members. Like all these men had kids outside of her too. And families. Yeah.

And just like, I can't imagine. I mean, Ashley and Bree lost their mom in every respect of the word. The betrayal. Like lost her from betrayal. Lost her because she died. Lost her because she tried to kill Ashley. I can't. It's unreal.

It really is. Well, thank you for that. You're welcome. And we hope that you keep listening. And we hope you. Keep it weird. But not the way that you kill both of your husbands and potentially your father and then you kill your daughter. Or excuse me, try to kill your daughter and then you pin everything on her.

But guess what? She will always survive because you can't kill your daughter. That's absolutely terrible. And you're going to die in prison. So don't keep it that weird. Bye. Bye.