Morbid - Lori Vallow Update Mini Episode

Episode Date: June 15, 2020

Just a quick discussion about the latest breaking news that happened a couple of days after we posted our Lori Vallow episodes! Tylee and JJ's bodies were confirmed to have been discovered buried in Chad Daybell's back yard. Will Lori admit her part or will she flip on her doomsday partner? This is the case that keeps on twisting.  Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a bonus morbid episode. A bonus morbid episode. Because there was some breaking news. Breaking news. I know you guys saw it because y'all are on top of your shit. And I woke up to like 47 DMs when this happened. Which we love. Yes. Thank goodness for you guys. So we could just be like, do-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-breaking news. That's exactly what I was like. like. Yeah, that's exactly what I did every time I saw a message. Well, also, this breaking news makes me question whether or not I'm like a very strong witch and you're like a very strong witch. Yeah, you better include me into that. Yeah. Like, did we just do this? We did. I don't know. I said on Twitter, I take full, like we take full responsibility for this dick cheeses downfall.

I mean, yeah. So where's my crown? Where is it at? It's crazy. Well, If you'd have no idea what we're talking about, Chad Daybell has been arrested because on Tuesday, June 9th, police confirmed after digging up Chad Daybell's property that they found two sets of remains and they confirmed that those remains were the remains of children. And at first, everybody's like, this has to be Lori Valle's kids. It has to be. And we were saying the same thing because for how long we've been talking about this, we've both been. saying there's no way that they're alive. No, I hoped, like, really, really hoped and prayed that they were in a bunker somewhere, but obviously in the back of your head, you know that Homegirl is evil as fuck, and she has dead eyes, and so does he, so they killed those kids. Yeah, she met her match in Chad Debo. They are both evil fucks. Unfortunately. And I, not one shred of me

believed that those kids were alive. No one. Like, I was trying to, but I was like, no. Like, no part of me. Any crime case where something like this happens. you just know that it's so rare. Right, exactly. And this one just had a stinky feeling about it, and I was like, something bad happened here. Well, at first, they did not confirm whether or not that the remains were those of the children and the autopsy results were still pending. But on Wednesday, June 10th, officials did announce that chade, chade. That's what I should call him. We should call him chade. That chade was being, that dumbass chade. Shit. Chad was being charged with two felony counts of destructive.

altercation or concealment of evidence. And Kay, JJ's grandma, did come out and say that at least one set of those remains was of JJ. Oh, that hurt my heart. I think you mean alteration, right? Of evidence? Yep, I'm dumb. Okay. For a second, I was like, wait. Altercation of evidence.

That's hilarious. Altercation of evidence. You know. No, and hearing that it was JJ first, like, obviously it's sad for both of them. Yeah. It's just like, JJ's like so young. Right. We don't even know if he was seven or eight because it's like this happened right before his birthday. So it's like, did he get to, I mean, obviously he didn't get to solve his birthday, you know.

A true baby. And he was autistic and he was just the cutest. Like, and not for nothing. He wasn't Lori's kid. Yeah, that infuriates me. Like, why did you adopt a child if you didn't want the child? Exactly. Or you were going to claim that he was fucking possessed by zombies, which doesn't even make any sense. It's tragic either way, like with JJ and Tiley. Yeah. Like JJ, you're just like, ugh.

Like, he wasn't even like, like, it was like the course of like everything going wrong. Yeah. And then I, as soon as this came out when all of a sudden they were saying they found two bodies, they were definitely kids. And everybody was waiting on pins and needles to see if even one of them was one of the kids. Right. It was still for a moment when we were like, wait, what if it's not Tiley and JJ? And it's like, so who the fuck are these kids? Like for a second, I was like, if they're not Tiley and JJ, this just open.

up a whole other. And in my mind, because I remember talking to you about that since it was like four days ago. And I was like, I remember. Well, it wouldn't have even been that shocking just because of the wake of death left by Chad and Lori. Yeah. The destruction that they have both left in their path is unfathomable. So honestly, if there was two other bodies of people we didn't even hear about before, it would be like, whoa, but it wouldn't be shocking. It would just be like, yep, that's Chad and Lori. Yep. Yep. Makes sense. Well, I know a lot of people are wondering different things about why it took so long for his property to get searched. Yeah, that was everyone's first question.

So I have a theory, and do you have a theory? Yeah, I think we have the same theory about this actually. So I think, because we had mentioned that in part two, Tammy's body had been exhumed and they were doing an autopsy because an autopsy had not been done on this case. Yeah. So I think they found something in the toxicology or on the autopsy to prove, obviously, that she had been murdered or like foul play. was involved and that's why they were able to get the search warrant. Yeah, I think it's definitely, because toxicology takes a long time to get back. Right. And sometimes it can delay shit. And I think they were waiting for that. I think something came through on that, which I'm honestly hoping at this point,

just for closure's sake, because I'm sure her family's wondering what the hell happened. And obviously it's not going to be great if you find out that he murdered her or poisoned her in some way, but it would at least be some kind of answer. Right. And I think that definitely played a role in it. And I think also that Lori might be playing her own fucking game here. And I wonder if she came forward and was like, I'll talk or I'll, you know, some kind of bargain is happening, I think. Yeah, I would not be surprised if she was like, you know what? But then again, I don't know if they're going to turn against each other. Because according to them, the world is ending in like a month. So, yeah, they're probably, because if you fucking see her, she's just like smiling in the courtroom.

Oh, yeah. Constantly just like, la la la, like doesn't seem to give a. fuck. No. I think she's just an evil son of a bitch. I really do. And I think it's like the, they think the world is going to end on July 22nd. Is that what it was? Yeah. And then, um, they confirmed, they only confirmed that it was definitely Tiley and JJ. When was it? It was yesterday. It was the 13th. I thought so. I thought it was like literally within hours of right now. And I did see that and they haven't gone any further and I don't think they will because both of them were under 18 years old, but I did see that one of them was hidden in a very shocking way. Like concealed in a very shocking way? Yeah. That, and that's what makes, I'm like, was there a

ritual that went into this? Was, were more people involved? I mean, what? I mean, because if you remember, Melanie's ex-husband, who was fucking shot at by probably Alex, who is also dead now, which is like, connect those dots really quick. Seriously. I mean, he thought that this was a cult and he said people were dropping like flies. Yeah. And I think there's going to be a few ways that Lori is going to play this, I think, that like options of how she's going to play this. One, she's either going to maintain this, like, crazy religious thing where she's like, I thought the kids were demons and we had to kill them. And that's fine, right? Everybody. And she's going to try to. Everyone will just be like,

yeah, sure, that makes sense. Yeah, that's totally fun. And she's going to try to play that whole thing, or she's going to flip and she's going to say, Chad did it. He's the, I was feared for my life. She's going to play that whole bullshit card where she didn't protect her own fucking kids because she's going to say she feared for her life. Yeah, I don't buy that. It's like, I don't give a shit if you fear for your, like, take care of your kids. You looked like you were having a pretty good time in Hawaii, so it didn't look like you

were too scared there. If she plays that card, it's not going to work because then they ran off to Hawaii and had a good time. So it's like nobody, everybody knows you're not scared of them. Get out of him. Right. And she's either going to do that thing and she's going to say, or she's going to play the, you know what, he, he brainwashed me. He got me into this crazy religion where we, where he convinced me my children, the only way to save their souls before the end times on July 22nd was to kill them. And it was done very like with mercy and, you know, very. And she's going to do that whole thing. Or she's going to say I wasn't, you know, he,

did it. I didn't do it. I had no part in it. I don't know what happened. But he convinced me it had to happen. And she's going to say, and I've been sitting here. And I've had a come to God moment. And now I know that that was wrong. You know, she's like, I'm a God's messenger, but I was dealing with the wrong God. I was dealing with the wrong thing. So it's easy that she's, there's so many ways that she could play this. Yeah. I don't know if she's going to do any of those things or she's just going to go, no, we both believe that demons were, you know, they were zombies and we had to kill them. Like, she might just straight up stick to it. Stick to her story. Because I wonder if they're going to stick with each other. I feel like I'll almost be more mad if she doesn't stick to it.

I know, because now it's like, I mean, I'm pissed either way. Yeah. But it's like if she starts turning, if she starts turning around and pulling that whole, I was brainwashed. Yeah, then it's like, really go fuck yourself. That's going to piss me off. Because I'm going to be like, bliss a bitch. No, not one person believes that you are a victim here so you can go fuck yourself. And that's what's going to bother me if she starts playing that victim card. Do you think, because you have a lot more knowledge of this than I do when they, will they release what happened, like how they were killed because they're under 18? I don't know. Because sometimes, you know, these things, they don't, right? These things get leaked sometimes too. And then I, it's really

just a matter of, I think it's going to have to do with the investigation. And this is such a high profile Okay, so I do think people are going to, like, demand to know. People are going to want to know for sure, but I don't know. And I think it will get somehow, even if it's not released, I think somehow leaks to the media will happen. Yeah, I feel like somehow we're going to find out what happened. I want to know what happened because we've all just followed it for so long. It's at this point, I just need the cap on it. Yeah. It's like, do you remember how like, I think there was a, like, a people magazine or like Us Weekly when John Bonae, everything was going on with her and they called her like America's child? Yeah. I almost feel like these are like, like,

America's children. They started to become America's children because everybody was, everybody held, I saw so many people. Yeah. After we posted our episode, be like, I'm still holding out hope that they're in a bunker. They're in some crazy doomsday bunker somewhere and that sucks. But like, we could find them and we could save them. Like that's, I saw so many people with that and maybe I'm just like a jaded fuck. And maybe I think you are. I think I've just been like reading true crime too long and maybe my job has also jaded me a little bit. But I think you're also just a very religious. person. And I think... I had no hope. I mean, I wanted to. I wanted to hope. Of course. But there's just a difference between reality and what the facts are painting for you as a picture.

Exactly. And there's certain scenarios where you can go, you know what? I feel like there's a possibility that she's going to be alive somewhere. They're going to be alive somewhere. And this just wasn't one of those. Just the way that they were acting and the way that Lori was telling certain people that her children were dead or telling certain people that she didn't have kids. Yeah. Like making up different stories. Or saying they were at a friend's house. They were here. They were there. To me, it just seemed like, they're at the neighbor's house. It's just like, she's not planning on them coming back. Right. Like that was my, she was telling people like, they're gone. Kids are not here. I don't have kids. Yeah. Like with the landlord and everything.

Exactly. And that's what made me feel like, oh, she's not planning on introducing them into the picture again. No, definitely not. Well, I think it's going to be interesting to see how this all unfolds. And just to wrap this up, I want to read a quick statement from Kay, Larry, and Colby, who was the older brother of JJ and Tiley. Yes, and the grandparents. Yes, and the grandparents. So we are filled with unfathomable sadness that these two bright stars were stolen from us and only hope that they died without pain or suffering. We have only just been told of the loss of our loved ones and need time to process. That one part of it where they say we can only hope they died without suffering.

Can you imagine having to hang on to that thread? Well, and I'm sure that you just go over every horrible scenario in your mind just on fucking replay. Oh, for sure. Because when it's especially when it's a kid like this and when it's like you, they're probably sitting there and this by no means I'm not indicting them of this. No, I know what you're saying. They're probably thinking in their head like I wasn't there to protect them.

Right. You know, because when you feel like a responsibility to a child, if something bad happens. Especially for Kay and Larry when it comes to JJ. because Lori wasn't even blood related to JJ. Like that, I'm, I know I keep saying it, but that wasn't her kid. Yeah. And it's like, and of course, like adoption, it's a family. That's your child.

But in this case, that's not the case. Like, I think a case can be made that this was by no means an actual family here. Absolutely not. She was obviously a fucking diamond. A diamond. A diamond. And she, you know, was not mothering that child. child the way that he... Well, Anne, I really hope that something comes out, too, where she is held responsible for the death of Charles.

Yeah. You know? And then it's like, what the fuck happened to Alex? I want to know what happened to Alex over there. And then what the fuck happened to Tammy. I almost wonder if Alex's shit was self-inflicted somehow. Yeah. I just need to know what happened all of these. He either knew that he was going down and was like, I'm not going to jail again. Because remember, he had gone to jail. Yeah. That's true. Or Lori was like, he's a little cuckoo. so I'm not going to make him sing. She thought that she was getting away with this. Yeah, because I could see her all.

I mean, she's wily. And I could see her. Wiley as fuck. She's wily as fuck. So I could see her being like, I can't trust this guy, aka my brother. He's a little bit off. And I'm afraid he's going to say something that I don't want him to say.

So we need to take care of it. Yep. And then sending Chad to do her bidding or doing it herself. Well, and I hope that somehow, Melanie, the niece, she knows a lot more than she's saying, like I said last time. Melanie, go fuck yourself. What do you know? Right.

Because you know. And if you're sitting there holding on to this, then your day of reckoning will come. And for her husband to stay with her, his ex-wife, Natalie, must be like, oh, I would be losing it. I'd be like you're not seeing your kids. I don't know anybody who thinks that that niece doesn't know something. No, and she's dangerous. Yeah. So for her to sit there and pretend she done, it's like, all right.

But you know what? It's going to come back around to you. Karma's a bitch, Melanie. There's no way that's going to stay hidden forever. Right. Everything done in the dark will eventually come to light. I like that. That was so deep.

Right? I'm saying. And what's interesting too, just like as final thoughts, is like Ash said, he's, Chad Daybell has not been charged with murder. No. Yet. Right. So that's the thing.

That's interesting because now we have bodies. We have identifications of bodies. We have autopsies on bodies. So it's like, what are we waiting for? Like, why don't we have? That's interesting. Well, I think maybe it's just some kind of formality because his bond, the bond for his charges would be like $10,000 or something around that. But his bond was set at a million dollars. Yeah. So, and he's a flight risk, they're saying. Yeah. Because they're definitely going to up it. It's just interesting that it hasn't come out yet.

Yeah. I just, I want to hear a first degree murder. Oh, 100%. And I want to hear a first degree on Lori, too. She hasn't been charged with first degree murder yet either. And I wonder, I wonder if the way this is all going to shake out. And that's why I think she might distance herself a little bit, because I wonder if she's going to get a lot less time. But why, though? Because I think she's going to make a deal. She's going to sing about a few things on him. Or maybe sharing did make a deal, and that's why his property was searched. Exactly. And I think she either made one. She's going to make one. They're talking about making one. There's a deal in the works. Or she's going to start distancing herself from him a little bit. This is what I thing. I don't know. Like, who the fuck knows? This lady's crazy. Right. But, and then he'll get the full

brunt of it because she'll probably put it on him too, especially as a quote-unquote mother. She won't place herself in the killing position. She will say, I would be very shocked if I hear that Lori didn't point at Chad and say he did it. I agree with you. He's the one who did the blow or whatever it was. Right. And then he'll get the full murder charge and the murder sentence and she'll get something much less. And it'll be like a Carla homoka situation where she'll end up getting out and live in her life and hopefully she'll just be harassed forever. Oh, I think that if she got, I don't know where she would go if she got let out other than directly into the witness protection program. Yeah. And or directly into the bowels of hell. Yeah, the flaming fucking pits. Well, I don't know if I said this already, but

Chad's preliminary hearing is going to be set for July 1st. So I think a lot is going to come out in the coming weeks. Oh, yeah. And we'll be, we'll be paying attention and we'll try to update as we can because, I mean, if we can throw a little, I know this is like a short episode, but like if we can throw a little short episode here and there, just update you on things, we'll try to do that. Here it is. Here it is, guys. Well, now we are going to record some listener tales for this week. Listener tales to lighten it all up. Two episodes tonight. You're welcome. You get, three episodes this week, guys. Eat it up.

Do it. Bye. Bye, everybody.