Morbid - Morbid Network presents: A chat with Spencer Henry from Cult Liter (Special Episode Sneak Peek!)

Episode Date: February 12, 2021

Hey weirdos! We want to allow you to get to know our little family here on Morbid Network, so we decided to start a special interview series where we chat with the hosts of these handpicked shows and let you get to know why we love their guts! With these special episodes, you also get a sneak preview of their latest episode to really wet your whistle to dive into a new pod. Yes, that was a disgusting sentence but that's who we are. Today, we chat with the one and only Spencer Henry of Cult Liter. Spencer is hilarious, magnificent and is waiting to be cast in the next Lifetime flick, so please get your people to talk to his people. We chat about his favorite cult leaders, what brought him to true crime and which killer he thinks kept it the most weird.  LINK TO FULL EPISODE: https://open.spotify.com/show/444jaJyGleW8I2wPhLLnvV Follow Spencer and Cult Liter! Instagram: @cultliterpodcast and @spencerhenry Twitter: @cultltr  See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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No, so basically we wanted to have Spencer on the show today. Number one, because he's just like really fun to hang out with. And number two, because we want to have people go listen to Spencer show cult leader, because we think it rocks. It's on morbid networks, so why aren't you listening to it if you're not? Yeah this is just a little way to get you guys to like get to know the hosts of all our network shows so you can hear them in their natural elements and you can be like wow I love that

person let's go listen to all their episodes. Basically we just want you to have something new to binge and we want you to love our family as much as we love our morbid family. And we know you will. Yeah. So we gathered some questions for our boy S Henry today. I can't believe I didn't put a lifetime question in there. What the hell was I thinking? Maybe I'll throw you one on the spot. It's never too late.

It's never too late. First, Spencer, thank you so much for coming and doing this with us. Things for having me am so excited that we actually get to like sit and do this. We've talked obviously a lot. We talk a lot. Yeah.

For on air, which is probably a good thing. I know, finally, it's all, all roads have led to this. It's all happening, Ashina Shay would say. And someday it'll all happen in some like spooky place, like Salem, like a cemetery. Yeah. So honestly, that needs to happen. It needs to happen, we need to.

It does, it does. Yes. It's systemic. Let's get rid of the rona, and then we can all do this. We just need to vibe, we do. So we'll start this out with a with a pretty, I think I think a good question. The name cult leader, it makes so much sense, but you spell it L-I-T-E-R. So I have to ask, where did the name

cult leader come from? I like how he said that, like, I don't know if you know this, but you spell it like a leader of coal. spell it like a leader of coal. It's actually funny. It is very like a cult like like a real like cult like fashion. It was like very pathetic. It just came to me at once, the logo and the name and itself. And if you look at the logo, it obviously makes sense because it's like a 2 liter ball full or whatever. Exactly. Right. I just like have this random image of it.

So there it is. It just came to you in a dream. It came to me in a, okay, so here's what happened. I went in my closet portal. Yes, yes. Tell us more as we all do. I thought it was a portal. It came to me.

If someone spoke to me and said, listen, this is what you're supposed to do. Yeah, I love that. Someone was like, welcome to your closet portal. We have a message. I am your leader, and you should spell leader with a T. Exactly. Because who doesn't love soda?

I love soda. I'm not sure. That's who. It kind of makes sense too, because first of all, co-leader obviously makes so much, it's such a brilliant name for a podcast, in my opinion, because as soon as I saw it, I was like, yeah, I was like, boom.

And then also when you think about, like it almost has a connotation with the Jones Town thing, like drinking the Kool-Aid. Yeah. Yeah, it all kind of like, it makes you think of it immediately. I don't know why, but it's just art. Yeah, it's just art, dammit. Art. Getting, it's called branding. It's called branding ever heard of it. Hello, you should try it. Hello, well, you did it great. You did. Because I'm sucked in. And then obviously with a name like Cole leader,

your show focuses a lot on cults, but it definitely doesn't show it focus only on cults. But was there like a show, a book, something you, with some case you saw that made you really start this interesting cults? I mean, I've always been like this, and it's actually funny. So I was listening to the episode you guys recently

did with Rachel. And you were talking about her concept and everything. And she was like talking about why she focuses primarily on the people that she focuses on. And she's like, because otherwise, every other week it'd be a haunted place. I'm like, that's exactly what I do. And like, is that why I'm on the screen?

The way that it is. That's what we do, too. So we got that. We do, too. Oh. It's, there hasn't been one thing in particular, but the whole concept of cult leader actually came. I was sitting at home, obviously, and I was watching heaven gate, like a

docuseries on heaven's gate. And I was scared. I need to talk to more people about this. And this was pre cult leader. And so I put it on my Instagram stories and I was like, oh my God, you guys, can we talk about how weird it is? I have like no followers at the time or anything. But we started, a lot of people were like messaging me back and forth and we started talking about it. And then that turned into like a regular series that I was doing on my Instagram

stories every week talking about a different cold or crime or murder, basically whatever I was watching. And then somehow it just turned into this. I love that. You're like a social media guru. That's such a good organic way for it to happen. Oh, really is. I mean, it was funny. Yeah, it's like, okay, I like talking about this. And then I remember I like put up a poll and like, should I do YouTube or a podcast or whatever. And I think actually more people said YouTube, I was going to say. They always want you to go to YouTube. I'm not like at myself.

No. Same. It's a, it's painful and I'm having to edit hearing your boy. Oh, yes. That's why I don't edit. Yeah. It's just a Lina. Yeah, it's a Lina. And sometimes I'll play her voice for it. Like I'll just play her voice really loudly. And she's like, stop it! I scream, I like get pissed off.

I'm like, I don't need to hear myself. Cause in my mind, I don't sound like that. No, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know what the draw is. It's just, yeah. Yeah. Well, when it comes to YouTube, I give YouTubers so much credit

cause I'm like, you have to get totally done up just to do an episode like no. I do an episode in my pajamas. Like do you see us right now? Yeah. Like I'm like I couldn't do that every day. Like I give a lot of credit. We're in elegant gowns. Yes. You guys can't. You're wearing elegant gowns. I'm in a tuxedo, so we are YouTube ready. We are, but we choose not to put ourselves for. We don't want to make people feel bad. Well, that's the thing.

You can't put that on people. Yeah, we don't want to force that kind of aesthetic on everybody else. Hold on. Let me move my, my cringoline gown and get comfortable. So do you, so do you have actually wearing an old man sweater right now? Yes, your favorite old man sweater right now?

My favorite old man sweater. But do you have a favorite cult or cult leader? Like one that you love to talk about, that you could literally just do like 100 episodes on? And is it Charlie Manson? I mean, he's such a good one. I feel like that case is definitely one of the cases that caught me into true crime in general. I remember I was down in Palm Springs with

my family for a weekend and they had this book there that was like called Haulingwood Tragedy or amazing. I would drop me in. Yeah. Little when I read about Sharon Tate, I talked about her from Twitter and I was like, oh, fuck, like I don't know if I'm supposed to be reading this, but I need to read more about this. Yes. But I'm also obsessed with having it. It's like a tried and true. It is.

It is so weird. I think it's weird that the website is still there. I think it's weird that there's followers that still exist to this. Yes. That's what gets me about having this game. I'm like, y'all still exist to this. Yes, that's what gets me about having scale. Y'all are still doing this. Like, you're still subscribing to that wave of life.

Well, just the videos alone are terrifying. They're like farewell videos and everything. Oh, horrifying. On virtual Apple White, who was so crazy. And his actually a relative of his, like I think it was like her great uncle or something reached out to me recently and she had these letters, pictures of letters that he had written her father thing out of the picture. What?

I remember that was like, oh, that's so creepy. That's so creepy. And it's just the photos from that one, like the photos of the shoes under the blankets. It's just like, isn't it night keys? It's night keys, the purple cloak, and then they each had like, as some weird dollar for amount, like $5.

Yeah. And I've said, something that they kept with them. Oh, it's just strange. It's the spooky, like a crime scene photos can get gnarly and those are obviously not like graphic, but they're so spooky. Like, Oh, they do a recreation of the museum of death.

Oh. And it's so creepy. Yeah, I would send chills down my spine, for sure. I also need to go to that museum. There's so many things in California that we need to go to. I need to go. that museum. There are so many things in California that we need to go to. I need to go. We're moving in. Oh, no. I'm going to move right out. Well, where are our Nike?

Is in our purple club. Yeah, I literally am wearing my Nike's today in honor of this. She's here. She was ready. She was ready. I came prepared. You did. You always do.

So also, what? So is there an upcoming episode that you're like particularly excited about just to get everybody's senses tingling? Yes, and that is a case that's actually in, it's from's Kennedy, there's a guy in his 20s disappeared and his body was found, I think it was last year, the year before, and this other guy's back yard, Scott Leo, and it's just a big fucking mess right now because I was actually reading an article that came out I think last night or maybe the day before and they were talking about the guy who buried his remains on his property just got bail lowered to $100,000.

What the fuck? I'm sorry, Hall. They removed the murder charge. So it's being confusing case that I'm like trying to pick part right now in my head, keeping you up at night. Yeah, it's been keeping me up for like two years. I I vended the I vended the house where it happened and I spoke with one of the neighbors when it was still all really- Oh wow.

So I had a lot of interesting input. Oh, I'm excited for this now. I know, I feel, do you know anything about this? No, I don't think I know that. I haven't heard of this at all. It's a good one. Oh, now I'm excited. Now I'm gonna go into a hole.

I know, I'm gonna fall into an article hole. Look what you did. I'm gonna be like, man. I'm just editing it. I'm like, we're doing that next. Imagine the worst two minutes of episode. Stolen from Spencer Original Idea by Alina and Ash at the same time. Spencer Henry had nothing to do with it. Yeah.

I love it. Well, I'm excited for that one. I know. It'll be a good one. I'm excited to hear about it. So I guess we have to wait for that to come out before we can hear anything else because now I want there to be like full suspense. Oh yeah. So I think the next question we have for you is other than this person that you're going to cover, this whole case that you're going to

cover, like so with the previous cases that you've covered, who do you think kept it the most weird? It's like picking children. Truly is. Yeah. This is a real Sophie's choice. Sorry. I think it's a toss of me between the field holder guys. I did an episode on recently. Such a good one. That is a good one.

Stanley from the UK, because it inspired the conjuring too. And I love the whole conjuring universe. Like the whole thing. Me too. It's fun. And I love the whole conjuring universe. Like, the whole thing. Me too. It's fun. And I'm stuck in Ed and Lorraine Warren's stand. Oh, yeah.

Okay, wait, do you want to hear something crazy? Let me just totally interrupt the shit. My best friend who lives in Colorado got this new roommate. And Ed and Lorraine were her babysitters when she was younger. The coolest babysitters ever. And my friend just texted me that one day with like no preface whatsoever. I was like, I'm sorry, what?

What? Isn't that crazy? Imagine. Coolest babysitters. Like how does that person not have a podcast? Right. That's what I said. I was like, can she be on sometime?

The education that kid received is like nothing you could ever pay for. Like what? I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that.

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I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. I'm not gonna talk about that. You can't say it we can. This is Annabelle. She's going to play with you this week. She's back between realms. But it's cool. Don't bring it up. Yeah, she's going through a tough time. Don't mention it. A tough time in space and time. No, but that was a full interruption. So go ahead. Who else kept it the most weird? We're talking about, well, okay, you know, one case that always just blocks me up is

Armin Mives. Oh, I know that one. I don't think I do know that one on the burst. I didn't have the code. It's called cyber-cannibal. I think it's like, yeah. Forty-nine. You guys talked about it somewhat recently.

It's so gross. But he was a candle with willing participants. Like an sensual. Oh, I know about this. Okay. Okay. So what's kind of like what are those weird situations? And I like that. Like when things have those weird connotations of like, well, technically, the person wanted it. Yep. It's just one of those cases that makes you go. Yeah, that makes you go. And those ones are always the ones that start like huge discussions to right, which I love.

Like, it's not okay. No one can agree on what the right like, is it okay? Is it not okay? Because there was consent, but can you really consent to that? Like, how do we all feel about this? Wild. It's so wild. Okay, because there was consent, but can you really consent to that? I like, how do we all feel about this? Lee. Wild. It's so wild. Well, now I need to go back and listen to that one again, because I love that case.

It's so weird and fucked up. And all of you guys should have go listen to that episode. What'd you say, 49? Yeah, I think it's 49. It's called cybercannibal. Cybercannibal. That's such a good band name online Yeah, that that was what it was

Good online days back in like AIM is like we're not talking oh, yeah, no I'm not Twitter. We're talking about build AIM which I'm sure we all the glory days I've ever been taken at some point. Oh, I should have been taken many times. Oh, we're all lucky that Ash is still here with us. Yeah. Hi. Right.

I was definitely going to be like, oh, yeah. Like, my name here's where I live. Yes, everybody. You do the like, A-S-L, age sex location. Mm-hmm. You tell everybody everything in the live. And lie about your age. Be like, I'm actually 18, yeah, don't a party.

Let's get it. Woohoo. I'm 13, my balls have any good job. I'm like, I don't even know how to apply makeup yet, but yeah, I'm 18 for sure. Here I am. Those are the days of like rotten.com. We're like, you would look at it and you'd be like, I shouldn't look at this, but you did look at it.

I remember you looking at rotten.com being like, wanna look? Can I be like, no, you asshole? Then I was like, do it anyway. Welcome to it. And then I became a weirdo. Hey, it worked out for you in the end. It did, it definitely did.

Never heard. I saw this meme that was like back in my day, like wheat puffs and strangers in internet chat rooms and watch people get beheaded online. It's the truth. That's why we have like a thick skin. There's these Gen Zs don't know what it's about. They just don't know.

Asked by walking through the grocery store with our parents and seeing pictures of John Bane, fucking everywhere in the 90s on every magazine. Yep. Where a lot of this stems from is just like this morning. I love it. It's so true. It's so true. The Jambanay case will forever be my number one that needs. I know what happened. That's the thing. That's why I made somebody to admit what it's up to dying. Yeah. And it was just sick of it at this point with Jambanay. I'm sick of it at this point with John Bune, the witch sound that he's gonna call. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit.

I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit.

I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of it at this point with John Bune, which sound that he's gonna call. I'm sick of your shit.

I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of your shit. I'm sick of it at this pointbed or something like, I need someone to tell me, like, yeah, you're right. That's all I need. I just need like a wink and a nod to me, like Elena, you got it. You know? That's all I need.

The call is coming from inside the house. Yes. One-haw. One-haw. Uh-huh. Ring, ring, ring. Yeah. Just read between those lines.

Yeah. I think we all know. Well, everybody, I think you need to go listen to episode 49, and I also think you need to listen to the upcoming 100th episode. Yes. I'll call it leader with Spencer Henry. We love Spencer.

You love Spencer. Spencer loves Moida. We love Moida, and we'll all be together one day. We'll let me ask you what's your, do you guys have a favorite lifetime movie? Oh yeah, I was like we have to do the lifetime. Oh yeah, we do. Okay, so let me go first because I grew up with a mom that loved lifetime and neglected me. So I also love lifetime. I would have to say it's a toss up between the Betty Brodrick, because there I think there was two Betty Broderick movies and when they Just watched that one the other day and then she went and she's like I listened to your episode and she's like can't handle scary stuff

But she's like I went and I listened to your episode on Betty Broderick after So good I watched that before our episode on Betty Broderick and then it's a toss up between that one and the one that they did I can't remember what it's called. It might even be Long Island, Lolita. But think of it. But think of it. But think of it. I thought they did with her about Joey but a Foucault.

But a Foucault. And what's her name Amy? Amy Fisher. Amy Fisher, yeah. I think there was one. Wasn't there one that was kind of based loose. It was based off the Skyler niece case. Oh, I don't know.

It was like more recently, I think. There was one that was like in that same vein, but I can never remember the name of these movies. There's a live time movie about essentially everything. So yeah. I have top two. Okay, and one is my number one is death of a cheerleader. That's a good one. That's a good one. I just fucking love it. Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. I just fucking love it. And I mean, Tori's spelling.

Oh my god, I forgot. You can't go wrong. Iconic actress. You just brought me right back. But you're just talking about Tori's spelling. We were there. You guys know she fell on her bachie girl once at like a Benihanna and then tried to see the restaurant.

You know, that makes a lot of sense to y'all. That's a piece of information that I feel you just gifted us and you didn't have to, but I feel so grateful for it. I wanted to bring you something. You really brought a gift. That's what it was.

I love that you just like kept that in your pocket till the end. You buried the lead. I was wondering how's one. And then my other favorite one is Love You Tooth death, which is the their version of the gypsy rose blank. Oh my god, yes. I haven't watched that one yet. Is it good? I haven't seen that one, but I've heard things. No, none of them are good. I was going to say, but is it good in the way where it's not good?

Oh, the wigs are. Yes. I love a good wig. It's the most ridiculous retelling of a story that I have ever seen. 10 out of 10 recommend. Okay, perfect. I'm watching that. Because that story, I mean,

whoa, yeah, whoa, Joe, trying to make that like theatrical or cinematic is tough because on its own, I was was gonna say more than it always. Yeah, it's all got it. He's sane. Oh man, so yeah. We gave you a lot of stuff to do. I was gonna say, we give you guys a lot of homework. So go check out those lifetime movies for real.

I love that we figured out a way to put that in there and by we, I mean you. I'm like, you don't even have to listen to me. Just go watch the fucking life. You need to see them. You need to see have to listen to me. Just go watch the fucking live. You do just see them. You need to see them. Yeah, it's important.

You'll be a better person afterwards. You will. Well Spencer, thank you so much. This was so amazing. And someday we're going to sit at a dinner table together. It's going to be beautiful. The best thing ever. Thank you guys for having me.

Anytime. It's an open invitation for you too. It was an honor andan-apprivalage. All right, well, do you wanna, why don't you plug where we can find you? Where can you find me, you ask? Well, you can find me on Instagram at Colyder Podcasts at Spencer Henry, and then you can find the podcast anywhere you listen to your favorite pods. Yeah, anywhere.

And then enjoy this little snippet of a chosen episode. So you can listen to it and be like, well, I love this. I need to finish it and go over to Spencer's feed and see all the wonderful gifts he has for you on there in Sir Episode here. Our story takes place in Nanop, Western Australia. A small town whose name means a stopping place, but the population of just around 600 people give or take, it's a very simple life here. The town boasts a main street with a few cafes in the Nannup hotel. Cattle farms in the area seem to dominate the local economy.

For the Codwell family, it was the perfect place to call home, when they moved there to a small blue farmhouse in 2003. The family consisted of Simon Cadwell, his wife Chantel, who was 18 years his junior, and their daughter that was born in 2001, Lila. Also living in the home was friend of the couple, Tony Poppich. We'll get more into the inner workings of the family dynamic a little bit later on. Upon moving to the town of Nanop, Shantel assimilated quickly. She was very involved in the community teaching swimming classes, and eventually she picked up shifts at a fish and chips bar in a local hotel in town called the Nanop Hotel. The family friend Tony also got a job fairly quickly after the move, working at the local hardware store. According to his manager at the time, Tony related easily

to people and always kept busy and he was an excellent employee, a real nice guy. While Shantel was out and about starting a life, her husband Simon was much more introverted. He would stay up all night online and he would sleep in late. Raise your hand if you, also, are the same. He was a private person, and to be honest, was not thrilled with how chatty his wife was with the other people in the town. Simon was controlling and bizarre. His behavior was off.

Friends and family reported that his behavior was even sometimes outrageous. Shontel's own parents, Jim and Kathy McDougall, weren't thrilled necessarily with their daughter's marriage to Simon. At first they were like, you know, he was nice enough, but the more that they met him, the more they questioned his quirks. I read somewhere that I think the parents the first time they actually met Simon wasn't until shortly after they gave birth to Lila, so the couple had been together for a bit before the parents met him. And it was nothing to do with the age difference necessarily. It was more just the things that she would tell them.

Simon has radical beliefs, shantel would tell them, he's gonna change the world. Like ladies listen, if your man says he's gonna change the world, you better fucking get out of there. Run, based on our experience here at Quilt Leader, you wanna know whose world he's gonna change yours. get out of their run. Based on our experience here at Quilt Leader, you want to know who's world he's going to change? Yours. Because now you're with some dude that thinks he's on this higher level, you're going to end up in a closet portal, or you're going to end up six feet under. When they would visit their daughter and granddaughter, they saw that his controlling behavior first hand. Even something as simple as taking a family picture was

met with some drama or angst. Jim, Shantel's father, recalled having to secretly take pictures of Shantel and Leeluk. Sometimes Simon would be in them too, but he had no idea they were being photographed. He was not about it. Never wanted to be in any of the family pictures. They just found Simon off-putting, and he would say weird shit to them like, your daughters from a different planet. Do you know that? Like a common theme we're going to see throughout the day. Throughout their time living in Nanop, Simon would periodically become more and more controlling, and sometimes he'd even wait outside the hotel or restaurant where Shantel was working, and observe her to make sure that she wasn't talking to people too much. A friend of Shantel's

Amanda pointed out that their relationship was always Simon first, and she meant it quite literally. When the family was out and about, Shantel never walked next to Simon and never walked ahead of him, just always stayed a few pieces behind, which is disgusting. I feel like that just gives us a pretty good picture of what their life in Nanop was like, so I want to go to 2007 because we have some major stuff about who unfold. They're living in this farmhouse, right? Well, one day electricians arrived at the farmhouse that they were renting and began setting up a transformer on a power pole that sat out front of the home and Simon just runs out there losing his shit. He runs out of the house and is like, what are you doing? Why are you putting that up there? The electrical interference is just gonna,

it's gonna kill me. It's gonna kill all of us. Apparently, so be Wilder didn't upset that he began breaking out in hives. I watched an interview with the electrician and he was just standing there like, uh, yeah, so this is what happened. You could tell he was uncomfortable because I mean, who wouldn't be. But I'm getting very much like 5G, QAnon vibes here from Simon. The electricians ended up finishing their job. They put up the transformer and they leave and they're like, you know, sorry dude, it is what it is. Three months after the transformer is installed, Simon 45, Chantel 27, 6-year-old Lila and

40-year-old Tony vanish out of thin air. And this is where our story really begins. Friends and family were bewildered. The whole thing was so bizarre. They knew Simon had some strange beliefs and almost other worldly ones, but this was by far the strangest thing any of them had seen from the couple. Shortly before they disappeared, Chantal had phoned her parents and excitedly told them, we're moving to Brazil.

Simons there already. Lila and I will be joining them there. Jim and Kathy say that their daughter seemed enthusiastic about the move. And Kathy asks the obvious questions, you know, why Brazil? And Chantelle tells her she's going to help people. There's people in the Amazon they can help, and there's also people there that have the same ideology and beliefs as them. It was the last time they ever heard from their daughter. And poof, she's gone. The house was left as if they were just gone for the day. Nothing out of place, just

a letter pinned to the front door from Shontel addressing the landowners. Too Beth and Lyndon. We've left suddenly due to lack of sleep from the electromagnetic field. We've moved overseas to Brazil. Though Jim and Kathy were a little perplexed about their daughter's sudden move after her phone call, they weren't completely shocked. I mean, she'd moved with Simon several times, she definitely went to the beat of her own drum, and they knew that she also shared some

of his more intense beliefs. But after 8 weeks of no contact, they started to get the feeling like something wasn't right, so they go to the authorities and report Chantelle and Lila as missing. It was only when police launched their investigation that they started to discover some alarming news. It was an investigation that left them with more questions than answers. Authorities first went to immigration where they learned that none of the family members or Tony Poppich had left the country. Not by aircraft, not by boat, nothing matching their description. And then an even more shocking twist. Simon Cadwell, he's not who he seems to be.

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