Morbid - Nutty Putty Cave Incident

Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. Everybody, it's still morbid. We're here. It's still morbid after all these years. We haven't changed it to like, forbid. I don't know where I was going with that. That's a word. Forbid. I just said forbid. I just said forbid. You're like, that's funny. That's a word. Wall. Forbid. Actually, that would be a cool band name. Forbid. Forbid. Forbid. Forbid. Forbid. Well, you know, gosh forbid, you go into the Ural Mountains in Russia. Just end right there. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:00:56 The end. Gosh forbid. Because I don't know if anyone's heard, hello, I'm here to tell you, but a few of you have tagged me in this and I was like, holy shit, that eight tourists have gone missing in the exact same place that the Diet Love Pass incident occurred. another tiny avalanche has happened another tiny ass avalanche has occurred now they were supposed to be back on wednesday the 10th um they were supposed to arrive wherever they were supposed to arrive and they haven't and no one's able to get in touch with them no diet love pass was nine hikers and people always said don't go in groups of nine this is eight so we're pretty close but it's like and i guess they were going up there in order to pay their respect to these fallen hikers. And then the government said, no the fucking won't. And then something was like,

Starting point is 00:01:52 no, no, no. It was Vladimir. I'm totally kidding. It's a little, it's a little, it's a little, it's a little weird. I think it's weird. I'm a little nervous. We're going to have another Diet Love Pass incident on our hands here. I really hope not.

Starting point is 00:02:08 I hope these hikers come back very soon, and I hope they're like super, super sorry we decided to spend another night. Yeah, we just got lunch. And it went a lot longer than expected. I'm hoping for their sake and for their family's sake that they have a happy ending here. But I don't know. It's not looking good. They didn't show up yesterday and nobody can get in touch with them.

Starting point is 00:02:29 It's going to be like one of those places like this like the suicide forest that people like don't go into anymore. Yeah. Okigahara. It's going to be. Yeah. And it's it's almost like an Everest situation where it's like I don't know. You know, there's just bodies everywhere. It's crazy.

Starting point is 00:02:43 Oh, that freaks me out. It's real crazy. And they could be like, yeah, it's just, yeah. Yeah, it's scary. I just, I hope, I hope they're okay. Maybe they got, like, sidetracked. Maybe they got turned around. Maybe they had to camp out because weather, I don't know.

Starting point is 00:02:57 I was going to look into, like, what the weather was happening there, but that's kind of hard. Yeah. Like, I've tried to before, but, you know, I think we'll probably learn more in the next coming days. So everybody keep their fingers crossed. Yeah, stay tuned, everybody. That we do not have a Diet Love Pass, part two. No, thanks. Because I don't think any of us are ready for that.

Starting point is 00:03:18 We're still reeling from the first one. And that was way long ago. Yeah, they just tried to give us answers and we were like, mm-mm. And I was like, mm-mm. Next. So I don't need another one of those in my life quite yet. Not until we fully have figured out the first one. Not right now.

Starting point is 00:03:32 No, we're not ready. Well, we're also going to be talking about something super duper spooky, just like Dialoff Pass. Again, this month the Patrions get to pick. The Patronus is. Petronus Ipicks and you guys decided that you wanted to hear all about this like really tall drink of water named Slendie. Slendie. We're going to do the Slender Man case. Yes, this is a crazy one.

Starting point is 00:03:59 And you know what? Good job Petronus is. You're killing it. I know. No pun intended. You are killing it. They picked great things for me and I was stoked. We love you.

Starting point is 00:04:09 What are you covering this week? I forget. This week the Patronis has picked. for Mois. They have picked. You're very French today. I know. I don't know why.

Starting point is 00:04:17 I'm just feeling it. I'm like, de. Lele. Wee. Huh. Ha-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, shan'te.

Starting point is 00:04:23 Ooh, that was pretty. Thank you. Uh, they have picked for me, Willie Picton, which I know. Oh, bitch. Tons of people have suggested. I always knew I wanted to cover it. I just was waiting for the right time.

Starting point is 00:04:35 And you know what the right time was when the patroness has told me so? You will never look at a pig the same way again. You never will. Just get ready. Because I've already bought, like, three books. So shit's going to get real. It's probably going to be a multi-party or at least two. Oh, I love that. It's a big, big case. So thank you, Petronus's for your choices. You've killed it. And really quickly, if you haven't bought tickets to our live show that we're going to be doing tomorrow

Starting point is 00:04:58 night. Oh, yeah. Head on over to Instagram. I believe the link is still in her bio to purchase tickets for the bleeding heart ball. It's going to be a lot of fun. It's going to be a real spooky. We're going to, we have like a fun little kind of theme going. Oh, yeah, me and my teeth are ready. Yeah. That's your hinty hint. All right. Well, let's get into Slendy. Let's do this. You know, the funniest thing about Slendy is that it all started in Gemini season. Oh, look at that. I know. June 10th, 2009 was the first time Slendie made his appearance on the interwebs. Eric Nudson, I believe is how you say it. He used the username Victor Surge on the website, Something Awful. Oh, love that. Did you ever go on something awful? I don't think I ever went on something awful.

Starting point is 00:05:43 I didn't. Something awful. What year was this again? This was 2009. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. It was like your heyday. Yeah. I was like, you know, I never went. Your heyday of weirdness. Yeah, you know. Well, he used the name Victor Serge and he posted a picture of this like tall, thin black figure lurking in the background of this scene with these kids playing on a playground. That's horrifying. Yeah. Now, he posted, I guess he posted two pictures. The first one that I saw, is there's a playground and there's like five or six kids in focus. And then there's a couple in the background. And they're just like standing around this like tall, dark, scary figure. Oh yeah. I remember that one. Yeah, we'll post it. And then there's just a little kid like climbing up the ladder to the slide like chees in. Yeah. Now Eric claimed the photos were taken or excuse me, they were found in the Sterling City Library Blaze and that they were taken the same day that 14 children just went up and missing. I love that. I always love those where it's like, yeah, like 62 kids just went up and missing and no one heard about it. Gonzo. Yeah, nuts. Yeah, I know. And then he went on to say that the library

Starting point is 00:06:52 burned down a week after the photos were taken and that the police took the photos in for evidence. Sounds demonic. Talk about a twisted situation. Talk about a twisted sister. I knew you were going to say that. Now, people on the site had a field day with the idea of this creature. They were. were posting their own photos and they were like toying with more and more ideas of his appearance. Some were like, oh, he has huge tentacles growing from his back. And others were like, they should be a little smaller because it's scary that way. And then some people were like, you know, like he needs no face. What should we give him a face? Why should he be wearing a suit, perhaps? I love the suit. The suit really. Honestly, the creativity here. Like the creative process

Starting point is 00:07:39 that was happening like let's make massive tentacles no smaller ones will be more terrifying smaller ones will suffice that's a that's a beautiful creative process i love it and i'm creating a monster it's just like a melting pot of yeah this could have just been what it was and it's sad that it that it got tainted the way it did yeah it definitely is now the one post on something awful turned into a huge thread of people either like bringing new ideas like i just said to the guy's appearance posting pictures of him that were supposed to be from earlier periods in history, like even like before humans and stuff like that. I love that. Or talking about their stories and their experiences with this creature. Now, the truth behind all of this is that the creation of Slender Man started with an online Photoshop

Starting point is 00:08:25 contest. Of course. That's why Eric posted it in the first place. That's where most things start, I think. It's just for a Photoshop contest. So Sunder Man is not real. No. Even to my to my, to my Like it scares me. Like he still scares me. And I know he's not real. Yeah. It's a terrifying idea. It's a terrifying image.

Starting point is 00:08:45 Yeah. Everything about it hits every nerve that you needed to hit for being terrifying. No face. No face. Done. No face. Done. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:08:52 Wearing a suit. Tenticle somewhere. And kills kids. Yeah. Like all those things you're like, nope, nope, nope, nope. Yeah. It's just freaky. I don't like it.

Starting point is 00:09:01 I woke up at like 430 this morning and I was like, is he in the kitchen? It scares me, you know? Is that internet crazy? in the kitchen. I don't know. I don't know his life. Nobody does. No, he don't know. Now, today there are multiple movies, countless YouTube clips about Slenderman, but the original series was made by two college students, a name Troy Wagner and Joseph Delage, I believe is how you say it. Troy was a film student and he had read the something awful thread and, like, found inspiration. So he asked Joseph if he wanted to make a movie with him. Now, the whole thing is shot with like a video camera,

Starting point is 00:09:36 like nothing high tech or anything like that it i feel like it has a very like blare witch project feel i love that which i that movie terrifies me to this day i still love that movie i love that movie so good but that the thought yeah i don't even want to talk about it's great now the whole plot line is that this guy is working on a film project but all the sudden he just up and quits the entire thing and then his friend tries to figure out what went down he's like going through the footage and he realizes is that Sunderman has been stalking his friend, and that's why he neglected the project and just, like, totally left it. That's a very valid excuse.

Starting point is 00:10:15 Absolutely. Can't come in today. I'm being stalked by Sunderman. I'm so sorry. Now, when they finished their movie, they called it Marble Hornets. I don't know why. Excuse me? Something to do with it.

Starting point is 00:10:25 I didn't watch it. All right. They also, so they posted it online. I'm pretty sure you can still find it on YouTube. Honestly, Sunderman terrifies me, and that's why I didn't venture deeper. Yeah. Now, it ended up being a huge hit. just like Blair Witch Project.

Starting point is 00:10:38 Hey yo. And actually Roger Ebert tweeted about it. What? He was just like, here's this movie. Wow. He didn't really say one thing or another about it. And it's like a horror movie. But it got the people, it got the people going.

Starting point is 00:10:49 Because Siskel and Eve, like, all critics usually are like for horror movies. So that's interesting. Yeah, we said that about it's the little things. Yeah. It got really bad reviews. Yeah. Yeah. It was iconic.

Starting point is 00:11:01 Certainly was. Yeah. Now, well, imagine you think you're just like putting up a movie for fun. And then Roger Ebert is like, hey, great flick. No, I can't even fathom that. Like those two guys literally just did that on their video camera. Yeah. Like, this will be fun. Let's put it on YouTube. And Ebert was like, yes. Yeah, I'm in. I saw your movie. Thumbs up. I love though that he was just like, I saw this movie. Said nothing. Like that's all it. I saw it. So over the year, Slender Man really made his way into all

Starting point is 00:11:28 horror markets. There's been video games. There's way more online forums like creepy pasta, like Wiki fandom, all that stuff. Oh, yeah. And movies. And it's just so crazy that that, like, all Slender Man was was just a post on like a weird website and then this happened. And that it just became what it became. Yeah, he just started going into the homes of everyone across the world.

Starting point is 00:11:50 I do think he just hit all the right buttons. Yeah. Like there's, it's rare to find a creature in like a monster that just like really resonates and really scares the shit out of people. And he's just that monster. It's like Freddie or, you know, it's like any of those. It's like you have to have a thing that really gets people going. And I think it's like the faceless thing, I think is huge.

Starting point is 00:12:16 Wearing a suit just as different and weird. I think honestly this thing. The faceless thing is what drives it home for me. Because you can almost put anything to that. Right. Exactly. And like all the articles that I was reading about like, what makes Slender Man so scary? Yeah.

Starting point is 00:12:31 It's the ambiguity. Yeah, it's literally he can be whatever you don't want him to be. Well, that's the thing. It's so funny that you said that because it's like the whole idea of like what you don't know, your brain will fill in for you. And the human brain is the scariest thing in the world. Yes. So you give it a blank canvas like that. It's going to fill in the most horrible shit you can conjure in your own brain.

Starting point is 00:12:55 So it's like he's different for everyone. Yeah. He's everyone's worst nightmare because you can paint whatever you want onto that blank canvas. Exactly. and he can hover above the tree line. I don't want anything to do with that. Yeah, I don't like that at all. Honestly, I've said it 82 times at this point, but the sand's face thing.

Starting point is 00:13:12 Yeah. It's the sand's face for me. Whenever you're missing, missing that, it's stressful. I'm not here for that. Now, most people who are into, or excuse me, most people are just into Slender Man for the entertainment value of it all, obviously, like, you know? Yeah. But then you have to think of the kids on the internet that are like, what the fuck?

Starting point is 00:13:30 Yeah. I forget, but when I was, um, I worked with. this girl and she had kids and her kid called her like freaking out about this lady on YouTube that was like supposed to like jump into your YouTube channel and like say like scary things about you. It happened recently. Oh what was it like momo? Yeah. Something I remember that. Yeah. But then it turned out just to be like this one video. Yeah. And it was this thing that somebody just like made a doll. Yeah. Or like this weird little mask or something. She was terrifying though. Because I remember my friend showing me and I was like if I was a child on the internet. I'd be terrified.

Starting point is 00:14:02 What? Well, it's similar to, like you said, Blair Witch, where we were, I think it was like, you know, my age group and like maybe in like everybody older knows that when Blair Witch came out, they marketed that like it was found footage of real hikers that disappeared and you were going to watch what happened. Like, right. They marketed this shit as like really happened. And when you went to see it in the movies, most of us thought because of the internet that it really fucking happened. So it was terrifying. It added such a different element to it. And it's like that. These kids now are going on the internet. They're seeing it. It's being marketed as a real thing. This is a real guy that's going to come trekking through your woods. You don't know.

Starting point is 00:14:44 That's fucking terrifying. Do you remember those videos on YouTube that you would be watching somebody driving down the street? Like your friend would send it to you on AIM. And they would scream all of a sudden. Like something would fly out of them. Like some scary ass lady. It's like that shit. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:14:57 That's what we had. But then now, obviously, as time goes on, things just get worse. Oh, yeah, for sure. these kids have like momo slender man yeah now like so like i said like there's a lot of kids out there that probably think he's real and that's exactly what the case was in wisconsin for two teenage girls so morgan geyser and anissa anissa weir were completely obsessed with slender man and they believed that they had to prove their allegiance to him before they were going to go live with him in his mansion in this like national forest in wisconsin that's so insane so to prove their allegiance they would

Starting point is 00:15:31 have to kill and it would have to be like a sacrifice killing. Wow. Yeah. So Morgan guys are in Peyton Leitner had been friends since the fourth grade. When Peyton saw Morgan eating alone at lunch, she decided to pull up a chair and sit next to her. And from that day on, they were pretty much inseparable. They would have sleepovers. They would go roller skating together. They kind of bonded over their love of cats because they both loved cats. Morgan even called Peyton by her nickname Bella. They would play like dress up together. They love to play pretend. They like to act like they were characters in Harry Potter or like Star Trek, which Morgan really loved.

Starting point is 00:16:11 I love that. So it was all just like very like wholesome. Yeah, it was super wholesome. And people, I mean, they became, they were friends for like a long time like until sixth grade pretty much. And it seems like they were kind of like the not like the misfits, but like they were like a little bit like younger than everyone else. but like they like jived well with each other because of that. Yeah, they kind of clung to each other. And it was really just like this cute friendship where, you know, like they were still like playing dress up and stuff.

Starting point is 00:16:38 But they're like, and they're like unabashedly into the, you know, things that they're into. Yeah. Like it's just like innocent and pure. Yeah. So around sixth grade, Morgan met a new friend while she was waiting for the bus. Now this was Anissa. So together Anissa and Morgan became obsessed with Slender Man after seeing the creepy pasta posts online. I think Anissa was the first person to show Morgan.

Starting point is 00:17:00 Okay, that makes sense. Slender Man. Now, Peyton didn't really want anything to do with Slender Man at all. She was like, that's terrifying. I'm good. Cool that you guys are so into that. So, like, live your life. And she was, like, trying to support her best friend's new friendship, which when you put

Starting point is 00:17:15 that three girls, it's not good. Yeah. It's so hard. Yeah. And so I think the Slender Man stuff, obviously, like I said, freaked her out. And it brought Anissa and Morgan closer. Yeah. So it left Peyton a little bit on the outs.

Starting point is 00:17:28 And that sucks. And Morgan and Anissa really like prayed on her because of it. They would like send her links to the creepy pasta. They'd send her messages and be like, oh, slender man's going to get you in your sleep. Like, just super nice, friendly things like that. Yeah, so sweet. But you know, you're in sixth grade. That's just so shitty though.

Starting point is 00:17:46 It is very shitty. Now, looking back, Morgan was showing signs that she definitely needed some help with her mental health. Yeah. But obviously hindsight is always 20-20. Of course. But she would have these outbursts in class. She would save insects and throw them at kids during class. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:18:04 I think somebody should have addressed that. Oh, yeah. And then her mom was called once because Morgan brought a hammer to school. Oh, my God. And she actually got suspended for it for like a little bit. Holy shit. Yeah. Now, Anissa was like a really good student and she had a way of kind of sticking up for the underdog.

Starting point is 00:18:21 It seemed like she was a little more, she was, I think all three of. them were like a little bit immature for their grade but annissa was like mature in a different way like yeah like had like a big sister energy oh okay now so yeah it's easy to see that she stood up for the underdog because morgan was kind of the underdog yeah so anytime somebody would tease morgan she would like basically like she'd punch them or like make them shut up now by the time they got into sixth grade Peyton was becoming more social making more friends and it seemed like the other two girls were becoming a little jealous of that. And actually Morgan later said that Anissa would call Peyton a bitch all the time. Yeah, because it seems like they're just going two very different ways. Yeah, absolutely.

Starting point is 00:19:03 Like a little more on the outside are the two of them and a little more like going towards the mainstream. Yes, exactly. And, you know, it's like in fourth, like a lot changes between fourth grade and six grade. And like you start a new school in sixth grade. So of course. She's meeting new people and like, you know. And it is hard when like you're, because I remember it happened to me when I was in. like middle school, like my best friend at the time, became like super popular and cool. And I, and sometimes you just don't follow them to that path. Like, you wish you could, but you didn't. Yeah, just sometimes it doesn't work out. It's not easy. And I honestly, like, a lot of times, I just don't think three is a great number for teenage girls. Three is a tough. It's a tough one is always left out. Yeah, because I mean,

Starting point is 00:19:47 I'm not saying this is like the case for everybody. Like my friend group, we used to be like seven people and that worked. Yeah. I think whenever it's three, like for my personal experience, I was always the one that was like, I'm feeling a little left out here. Yeah, because I feel like the other two just somehow, two people always bond a little bit more. It just like naturally happens. Or like have more in common. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:20:08 So that sucks. It does. Now, so they all, they all still wanted to be friends and Morgan's birthday party was coming up and they were really excited. Morgan had turned 12 on May 16th. And then two weeks later on May 30th, she was going to be having like, a birthday party sleepover with both Anissa and Peyton. Okay. Now, it was a Friday night, and Peyton's mom remembers, like, how stoked she was to go to

Starting point is 00:20:31 this sleepover. Now, the three girls went roller skating for, like, hours, and then they went back to Morgan's where they hung out until they fell asleep. Now, Peyton remembered it was weird that Morgan didn't want to stay up all night because she always wanted to when they had sleepovers. And this one, I mean, it was like her birthday, like she could do what she wanted. Yeah, you would think that would be the time. And she didn't.

Starting point is 00:20:51 So that was kind of weird. And then Anissa remembered later that Peyton, like, kicked her in the face by accident while she was sleeping. And Anissa was like, yeah, so I kicked her back on purpose. It's like, well, she was sleeping. Like, calm down. Now, the next morning, they had donuts for breakfast. And actually, Morgan and Anissa woke up first and went downstairs without Peyton. And Peyton woke up after them and went down after.

Starting point is 00:21:14 Oh, that sucks. There's already like. Yeah, there's already some weird shit happening. Exactly. Because that was always, do you remember those sleepovers where you would wake up the next day? after sleeping for like 45 minutes and you just were like just complete just shit oh when I was when I was this age I would go home and like have to sleep all day me too yeah and my mom would be like Jesus Christ like you're not going to a sleep over for a long time because you're miserable when you come home yeah

Starting point is 00:21:39 and it was true so the next morning like I said they had donuts for breakfast they hung out they they played dress up there I guess they were playing with silly putty at one point like throwing it at the ceiling would be real mad probably putting it on newspaper no Oh, I guess they were mixing it with like granola and then like stick it, like throwing it up to the ceiling. All right, that's weird. I didn't know you could do that. We used to just kind of stick it onto newspaper and you would like, it would like transfer the newspaper onto it. We used to just like hold the silly putty and like make it like drop into one hand and then lift that other hand up and drop it into the other like like you're supposed to do. I thought you were going to say something like, we used to just go party. Well, not when I was 12. I'm like, I used to play with silly pot. I thought you were going to be like we would just go drink.

Starting point is 00:22:21 Not yet, like in a year. But so yeah, that's not what I was doing. But finally, they got the idea to ask Morgan's mom if they could go to the park together. Now, it's worth mentioning that any other time Morgan's mom would have been like, no way. Like, nice try, you're 12. You're not going to a park by yourself. Yeah. But it was her birthday.

Starting point is 00:22:42 It was the middle of the day. There's three of them. So she was like, okay, go ahead. But like, come back by this time, whatever. So they go. They head to the park. Now, when they got to the park, they went into the bathrooms and got into this, like, really intense fight just, like, very quickly. Because pretty much all of the sudden, Anissa hit Peyton's head into the wall, which was, like, concrete in the bathroom.

Starting point is 00:23:08 And then as Morgan was, like, holding her in place. What the, so this was very clearly. Pre-meditated. Yeah. Now, as quick as that all happened, Morgan started panicking and just started, like, walking away, pacing. and singing. And so Anissa told Peyton to go outside and like just checked on Morgan. And she later said that she had to calm her down by petting her like a cat. Wow. Mm-hmm. It's not like super clear why they stayed together, but they did decide to stay together and play hide and seek. I think Peyton probably

Starting point is 00:23:42 stayed because she's with the like, where else is she going to go right now? I was going to say she's probably like freaked out. And it's like, I'm just going to go with this. And like once we're done with this, I'm going to go home. Exactly. And I think, I mean, they're 12. Like, when you're 12, like, you're not thinking like, oh, no, like, they're probably going to try to hurt me more. Like, you don't think that. Yeah, you just think it's like a quick weird thing that happened. Like, that is real weird. Yeah, I would have not been happy. No. And obviously, she wasn't either. So she was, she was confused, but, you know, I don't, I think she was just like, I'll just hang out with you until it's time to go home. Yeah. So after they, like, somewhat settled the really

Starting point is 00:24:16 random argument, they decided to go play hide and seek. So Peyton said that an Nissa, sent her into the woods and told her to cover herself with leaves to hide. Huh. She remembered hearing Morgan counting like really quickly and then hearing the two girls talk while they looked for her, but she couldn't hear exactly what they were saying. And then all the sudden, Morgan was crouched over her holding a steak knife. And right before she started stabbing Peyton, she said, quote, don't be afraid, I'm only a little kitty cat.

Starting point is 00:24:55 Oh. What? Don't be afraid. I'm only a little kitty cat. I didn't know that. Yeah. I didn't know that part. Yep. I don't like that at all. I hate it so much. I hate that I know that. No, so we'll get into it later. But apparently she had this idea that like she, when she like went to live with Slender Man, that was going to be like who she was, like an evil kitty cat. And that's what she was going to say to people before doing things like this. I mean. That's scary as fuck. Yeah. Now, while Morgan was stabbing Peyton, Anissa was standing over the two of them just watching, apparently. And what Peyton didn't know is that while she was hiding and she could hear them talking, they were actually arguing over who would be the one to stab her. While she's hiding. Holy.

Starting point is 00:25:43 Wow. While she's hiding. Anissa kept handing the knife back to Morgan that they had taken from Morgan's kitchen, by the way. And just telling her, like, you need to take this and do it because I'm, quote, too squeamish. I'm too squeamish. And it's like, okay. Okay.

Starting point is 00:25:57 So right before Morgan started stabbing Anissa and said the kitty cat thing, Anissa said to Morgan, quote, kitty now go ballistic. Kitty now go ballistic? Yes. Poor Peyton must have been absolutely terrified. This is like a carnival nightmare. These are 12-year-old girls. So beyond anything you could ever conjure in your brain.

Starting point is 00:26:22 No, this is like PTSD. for the rest of your life. Kitty now go ballistic? I'd be like, why are you talking like that? This is awful. Their interviews are these, and we'll get into it a little bit, so we'll just be prepared. So after stabbing Peyton 19 times. 19 times.

Starting point is 00:26:40 In her arms, chest, legs, like everywhere. Peyton tried to stand, but she couldn't see because she probably lost like so much blood and just was so. Yeah. I mean, attached, disoriented and just completely. So she couldn't see or walk really well. And Anissa took her hand and told her to lie down because she would lose blood slower that way. And she was like, me and Morgan are going to go get help.

Starting point is 00:27:06 We'll be back. So Peyton was like, yeah, no. Yeah. Now, luckily, Peyton doesn't remember all the details of the stabbing. Thank goodness. Because her body obviously went into shock. But she does remember the girls telling her that they were going to go get help. And she remembers being like, yeah, I knew that they weren't going to get help.

Starting point is 00:27:24 Thank goodness she was that clear of thought. Oh, that clear of thought. And then this little badass of a 12-year-old girl after being stabbed 19 times crawled through the woods until she hit like the road. And luckily ran into this guy Greg Steinberg who was just outriding his bike. And he's like, she stumbles across him and they meet and he's like, are you like what? You run you are outriding your bike and you run into a 12-year-old girl who crawls out of the woods. bleeding from 19 stab wounds. And I saw a picture in one article of her shirt that she was wearing that day and it was soaked with blood. Like, I mean, stabbed 19 times. Yeah. Now, he was the one to call

Starting point is 00:28:07 911 who luckily came right away. And Peyton was with it enough to tell the officers who arrived on the scene who had stabbed her. Wow. Morgan Geyser. Now, with that, she was rushed away to the hospital to have emergency surgery. And now the hunt was on to find Morgan. a 12 year old the hunt was so like it's so hard to comprehend this case oh I remember the first time I heard this case I actually have to say I think I heard it on that and that's why we drink for the first time and I was like what Christine what are you saying to me

Starting point is 00:28:40 christine that's it's just so it's beyond any kind of comprehension no absolutely it's terrifying like a baby I don't even remember being 12 to be honest with you like when we were just talking about silly putty and you were like I thought you were going to say I was like, I don't even remember 12. You're like, what was I doing at 12? I have no idea. But Morgan and Nissa were found sitting in the grass near Interstate 94. They had cleaned up in a Walmart and they told the investigators that their plan was to walk to Slender Man's mansion.

Starting point is 00:29:11 Wow. So they were like fully committed to this. Oh, yeah. Like we did our job. Now we're going to the mansion. Now, it would have been more than a four hour drive from where they were and they were going to walk. Yeah. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:29:24 Now, the entire attack and the Slender Man aspect was bizarre, but things were only going to get more bleak. It was very clear during Morgan's interviews with the investigators that she had absolutely zero remorse for what she did. Absolutely zero remorse. At 12. Now, she told the investigators that they had no idea how hard it was to keep this plan a secret because there were plans for this. In fact, there were three separate plans on how to kill Peyton that like took or got into motion over the last six months. My what? So they had been planning this for six months.

Starting point is 00:30:05 That's a pretty good case for premeditation. Mm-hmm. And as San Morgan made up code words so that they could talk about the murder in public and then they would like email and write notes about it. Now, the first plan was to kill Peyton during the sleepover while she was sleeping. That's like sophisticated. The code word shit. Oh, yeah. Wow.

Starting point is 00:30:24 This was bananas. Oh, just wait, it only gets. They were going to kill her during the sleepover just in Morgan's house. Oh, yeah. Oh, okay. That's where the sophistication is not there. Yeah, that's where it dips off a little bit. Well, not even that.

Starting point is 00:30:34 They were too, quote, sleepy and tired from the roller rink. Roller rink, excuse me. Yeah. So they didn't kill her during the sleepover because they were too sleepy and tired. It's a good calf workout. Yep. Now, remember the altercation in the bathroom from two minutes ago? That was the second plan because they were going to kill her in the bathroom.

Starting point is 00:30:53 Morgan noted that there was a drain there for the blood. And Anissa told the investigators, quote, from what I read on the computer, it's easier to kill people when they're either asleep or unconscious. And it's easier if you don't look at them in their eyes. Oh my God. Like she willingly told them that. And it's just like the internet tells me this. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, like, why does the internet say that?

Starting point is 00:31:19 And also, where are your parental controls? Why are you two looking at this shit and no one knows about it? Mm-hmm. Like, holy shit. Yep. So that's why they tried to hit Peyton's head into the wall. They were trying to knock her out so that they could kill her in the bathroom. But I think they just, like, didn't do it.

Starting point is 00:31:41 I mean, this is horrible, but they didn't do it hard enough. So they had to resort to plan three. And now, obviously, they decided to do the hide-and-seek thing in the woods. And Morgan later recalled that the plan was flawless. My God. And she also said, quote, people who you trust become very gullible. It was sort of sad. People who you, wow.

Starting point is 00:32:03 People who you trust. Like, she trusted us. And she got gullible. That's sad for her. Yeah. Because wow, that's some evil shit. Oh, yeah. That's some evil shit.

Starting point is 00:32:12 The entire thing is really scary. Now, while Morgan was being interrogated, she couldn't remember who did the stabbing. And she tried to act like it was Anissa, who was like behind the whole plan. But Anissa was super fucking. during her interview. And she explained all of the events that took place and the reasons behind them. Basically, the whole story is they had to earn Slender Man's trust and they thought that if they killed a friend, they would be safe.

Starting point is 00:32:37 And then in turn, they would be able to go live with him without being harmed and without their families being harmed. So it's like if you don't earn his trust first by like doing something like kill your best friend, then you try to go live with him and he's going to hurt you or your family. And it's like, so tell me again why you want to be in Slender Man's Mansion? Yeah, it doesn't really make sense. I would say naivete is definitely a theme surrounding this case. And it's like for someone who's using such sophisticated, like, evil shit as like people

Starting point is 00:33:09 who trust you, like, that's sad for them because they get very gullible. Then you should also know that it's pretty fucking gullible to think something that would normally kill you and your family, but won't do it if you kill your friend, is probably not telling the truth either. Oh, yeah. Like maybe you should work through that trust thought you had a little further. Now, later, I don't want to say it will make sense, but we'll see that there's definitely a lot of mental illness. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:33:35 Now, like I said, naivete is definitely a theme surrounding the case. Isn't it fun to say like that? That is naivete. Thanks. And so, for example, because when Anissa heard that Peyton had survived the attack, like two hours into her interrogation, she was like, where is Peyton's body now? like asked where her body was. And they were like, oh, hey, guys. BTW.

Starting point is 00:33:58 Can you let me know where that is? Yeah. Like, no. But they were like, oh, she lived. So she's at the hospital getting emergency surgery. Imagine dropping that sledgehammer. Oh, so when they did, they said that Anissa perked up and was like, oh, will I be able to go back to school then? Like, oh, we failed.

Starting point is 00:34:16 So can we just forget this ever happened? Like you thought, like, since she's alive that you're, what? Yeah. That's... What? Just hearing that thought process, you can tell there's a lot of mental illness here. Absolutely. Just the fact that they're like, oh, so we can go back to school.

Starting point is 00:34:33 Right. Like, it didn't work. Right. We didn't kill her. Cool. Moving on. So scary. Now, the kids at school started hearing what had happened to Peyton and they wanted to paint

Starting point is 00:34:42 whiskers on their face one day at school, like, in support of Peyton, who loved cats and would paint whiskers on the back of her hand. You know, I forgot. I, like, didn't even connect those to that, like, she, loves cats and then these people like used like kitty. Yeah, because they all, they love, they all loved cats. Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's even worse. Yeah, absolutely. Sorry. Well, and that's the thing. So these kids at school wanted to do that for Peyton, but the adults were like, oh, no, we know some of the details, like, you can't do that. That's going to be traumatizing as fuck. Don't do that. Exactly.

Starting point is 00:35:13 Because little did they know, Morgan was like acting like her own version of a fucking evil cat that day. Oh my God. But that's so sweet that those kids wanted to do that. I know. Now when Morgan's room was searched, they found over 50 pictures of Slender Man that she had drawn herself with captions that were written in all capital letters saying things like, always watches, no eyes, and never alone. And you know what? It's like, this kind of shit would not be that strange. Like, if she was, she was drawing pictures of Slender Man and like, writing spooky stories or making weird. It's like, that shit alone wouldn't be, like, alarming. Yeah, whatever. It would just be like, okay, well, that's your creative. She's a creepy kid.

Starting point is 00:35:53 outlet, that's fine. But like, you added into everything else and it's like, that's the thing. This girl is bringing like hammers to school and like throwing bugs at kids. It's like, I don't know. Like that's it. And again, hindsight 2020. It's so easy to say it now. But it's like, you look at it and you're like, that's a lot. Yeah, it's definitely a lot. But it's so much easier to add up the red flags later. And the other thing is, you know, like we don't know what was going on at home. Maybe they were trying to get her some kind of treatment. And then this just happened. Yeah, you have no idea. You don't know. So. And like, I can't remember. imagine that happening. Like, how do you even reconcile that as a parent? Well, that's as a parent. I can't fathom. No. Yeah. Like, I feel bad for all the parents involved in this. Oh, yeah. Everybody.

Starting point is 00:36:33 And they're all victims. I don't want to say, like, I love when this happens, but like I have a lot of respect for when this happens. It seems like all the parents in this case were like, I am grieving for not only like the loss of my child, but like for what happened to the other child. Yeah. Like my, you know, they're all losing a little bit of their child. Right. Like, nobody died, but pieces. of all of them died have been taken yeah and i mean two of them like anyways we'll get into it so the drawings of slender man were found in her in her room and then there were also drawings of slender man found in her locker at school okay and then back at home again they also found mutilated dolls in her room which again i guess wouldn't be like that creepy that's a little creepy that one's a little

Starting point is 00:37:17 alarming i feel well again here's the thing because it's not just like i don't know like i definitely like ripped the heads off of my Barbie dolls because i think everybody did that. Oh, wow, the head comes off. As soon as you learn the head pops off, it's like, it's open season at that point. Yeah, exactly. It's like weird, but whatever. But so these, these dolls weren't only like missing heads. They also had like arms and legs missing and like hands missing. Yeah, that's when it gets a little Edmund Kempery. Sure. Yeah, that's when it gets there. And her computer showed hundreds of searches for, quote, how to get away with murdering someone. All right. There it is. And quote, this is sad.

Starting point is 00:37:53 What kind of insane am I? Oh, that's really sad. Like, that's sad. That's not even, like, scary because she's 12. It's like, why didn't you, like, I wish you'd just talk to somebody. That's terrifying and sad all at the same time. Exactly. Now, according to the New York Times, quote,

Starting point is 00:38:10 the police chief Russell Jack called the attack on the girl 12, a wake-up call for parents and urged them to closely monitor their children's use of the internet, which he said can be, quote, full of dark and wicked things. Yeah, no shit. But it's like, yeah. Oh, my gosh. Now, the question now was whether or not to try the girls as adults, because I don't know if I've said it enough times, they're 12. They're 12. Now, if they were tried in juvenile court, they really wouldn't get that much time in prison. And they would most likely just end up doing like a lot of community service. Yeah. Which for this is really not a fair punishment. No. And the judge felt as though they definitely posed a serious threat to society. Absolutely. And that there was enough evidence to point to first degree. intentional homicide. And according to the Milwaukee Journal, quote, in Wisconsin, if a child is charged

Starting point is 00:38:59 with that offense as young as 10, a case must start an adult court. Yeah. So as young as 10. 10 years old. But it's like if you're 10 and you play an intentional homicide. Well, that's, this had such premeditation to it. Oh, absolutely. That has to be taken into consideration. And they just like flat out told them. Yeah. Like at one point, I don't remember exactly what the question. I think they said like, Oh, they said, what did you feel when you were stabbing, like your best friend? Yeah. And she was like, I didn't feel anything.

Starting point is 00:39:30 It just felt like air. It was just like stab, stab, stab, stab, stab. Wow. Said stab, stab, stab, stabby stab, and motioned stabbing. Like, she was like, I don't give a single fuck. Yeah, that's, that's such a disconnect. Oh, my goodness. Yeah.

Starting point is 00:39:46 Absolutely. And it's like a, it's, it's, it sounds evil, right? when you're like when you're listening to it but then when you actually look into it you're like this is such a mental disconnect right there's just nothing there there is there's something bad in there like there's something that's not a good person like that's just happen to have a mental mental illness this is a bad person with mental illness who also happens to be very young and experiencing extreme yeah extreme mental illness it's really sad and we'll get into like how extreme it was and when it all started

Starting point is 00:40:21 And I can't imagine having, like, you know, her parents. I can't imagine. No. How do you handle that? No. Nobody, when you have kids, no one is immediately expecting to have to deal with something like that. No, and it's like, I mean, her mom must have been like, they went roller skating

Starting point is 00:40:39 together and then they had a sleepover and I bought donuts for them. Like, how was I to ever expect that this was going to happen? A very normal birthday party for 12th. Yeah. And it seemed like, like, I don't know. said like they were playing dress up they were playing like Harry Potter and like she liked Voldemort and stuff and like her parents were definitely like quote unquote weirdos like us like yeah they liked like macab shit and they probably encouraged her to you know be who she is be a little

Starting point is 00:41:06 weirdo like I want my kids to be little weirdos which is great you should always encourage your child to be who they are if you're weird and you're into like weird stuff and your kid is into very normal like you know Disney princesses or like you know like you're very encourage it. Whatever they like or if they're into weird stuff, nourish that as well. Because it's like what you said, like with the drawings, if she was just drawing Slender Man, I'd be like, oh, like, that's definitely like that scares Mommy, but like, cool, you little weird. Like, hell yeah. Like, you're really talented. Yeah. And it seems like her parents did that. Like, I believe her dad posted a picture and was like, I think he called her Mogo, which is really cute. Oh my God, I love it. I was like, only Mogo would draw like Slender Man at dinner. Like, oh. So I feel like they were just trying to be. good parents who like just you know yeah just supported their their kids exactly endeavors here exactly

Starting point is 00:41:58 and at 12 i don't think you're thinking no it could be something like this and to be honest with you i honestly got pissed off at some of the articles that i was reading about this and especially the ones where they were talking about our parents because they made it a point to be like and her dad sent her mom a birthday card with skulls on it and it's like oh god it's like the maryland manson thing like he's a bad person but like just because he's interested in like macabre weird shit that has nothing to do with his being a bad person it's just something to tack on to let's let's you know again like we were saying with the maryland manson thing it's like he Brian Warner is a bad person right it has nothing to do with him being like a shock rocker exactly and it's the same thing with this like yeah they're into

Starting point is 00:42:42 weird shit like that doesn't make their child people well and that's the thing like it didn't make their child mentally ill you're either mentally ill or not. Exactly. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's just frustrating. Like, we've said this when we mentioned it initially, that it's just frustrating when they, like, concentrate on that.

Starting point is 00:42:59 Right. On the superfluous details of that really don't matter. Like, never in, like, murder case, are you like, oh, and the parents love to shop at Jay Crewe and get Frappuccino's on the weekends? And it's like, that's weird to some people. Right, exactly. Like, that's weird to other people. So, fuck.

Starting point is 00:43:17 It just doesn't matter. Now, so the decision. was made to try both girls as adults because it was just like what was legally precedented. And they do, they, they are a danger to society. Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt. Absolutely. Now, Morgan was diagnosed with early onset schizophrenia during her trial. Okay. Many sources that I read pointed out that that's a very unlikely diagnosis for such a young girl. I was going to say that is so young. So young. But her father, as it turns out, had also been hospitalized for that and had it.

Starting point is 00:43:49 He was hospitalized in his teens, and it seems like he found out when he was younger and was able, I'm not sure if he was able to get, like, medicated or whatever, but it seems like he was able to work through it. Yeah. And then I think they just didn't realize that until this happened, that Morgan had it. Now, Morgan ended up taking a plea deal so that her insanity defense wouldn't be challenged, and she pleaded guilty to attempted first degree intentional homicide. So she received 40 years in a state institution.

Starting point is 00:44:18 Wow. And Anissa also took a plea deal. She pleaded guilty to second degree intentional homicide. And she was found not guilty by reason of a mental disease or defect. And she was sentenced to 25 years in a state institution. Wow. Okay. I didn't know what the sentences were.

Starting point is 00:44:35 Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah. But I mean, 40 years is like a very long time. That's a big chunk of life. 25 years, too. But when you're 12, if you think about it, she's going to be. going to be out when she's like your age. Yeah, that's true. And you know what? I think it's good that

Starting point is 00:44:49 they were sentenced to those places because that, I don't see any point in sending them to prison. Because it's like, yes, obviously prison is like the whole point is to reform. But I think when you're this young and you're having like this mental illness, like prison isn't going to do anything for you. Other than make it worse. They need help. Absolutely. Now, according to Lisa Miller, who wrote the article Slender Man is watching. She wrote a really good article for New York MAG. Anissa has good days and bad days. I guess she's like a model prisoner and she follows the rules.

Starting point is 00:45:22 She's done the seventh grade history curriculum twice. Wow. So she's like super smart. Damn. But she also has like intense breakdowns from time to time. And she's been placed on suicide watch and put in a straight jacket before. So she's definitely still struggling. There's a lot.

Starting point is 00:45:37 Yeah. There's a lot there. And Morgan has been able to get a lot of the psychiatric help that she needed. She was also diagnosed with oppositional defiant disorder and her doctor testified in court that she had been suffering hallucinations since she was three years old. What the fuck? Three years old. Are you kidding me? I guess she would see like vivid pictures on like the walls and stuff and like obviously she had like imaginary friends and stuff like that. Wow. But think about it when your kid is little and they have an imaginary friend, you're not thinking that they're schizophrenic. You're everything.

Starting point is 00:46:11 Almost everybody had an imaginary friend. Exactly. You know, so... Nottie Martha. That's hilarious. Yours was Nottie Martha and mine was Luke Skywalker. Yeah. Now, both girls have made appeals.

Starting point is 00:46:25 In fact, Morgan's appeal was brought to the Wisconsin Supreme Court in 2020 because her lawyers basically were saying like it wasn't fair because she was a juvenile. No, she's... Constitution has changed. She still needs... Not the Constitution. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you mean.

Starting point is 00:46:40 No, in my opinion, she was... She needs to serve that time. Absolutely. And not even serve that time. Yes, absolutely. Also, get help. It needs to be all of it. Because no matter what, you need to get help, but you also need a consequence.

Starting point is 00:46:52 Absolutely. Because, I mean, poor Peyton has to live with these memories and this trauma and the physical scars of this for the rest of her life. They deserve to have punishment. Yeah. So her appeal, like I said, it was brought to Wisconsin Supreme Court in 2020. But actually earlier this February, like last week, I want to say. the court announced that they will not hear the appeal.

Starting point is 00:47:14 Good. They don't want anything to do with it. Now, Peyton is doing incredible. Yay. For obvious reason, she doesn't want to communicate with Annissa or Morgan. Yeah, don't blame her. She said that if she did speak to Morgan, she would thank her. And she told David Muir of ABC News, quote,

Starting point is 00:47:31 I would probably initially thank her. I would say just because of what she did, I have the life I have now. I really, really like it and I have a plan. I didn't have a plan when I was 12, and I do now, because of everything that I went through. Wow. And, yeah. And ABC News went on to report that Peyton's family was super proud of her and excited to see what her next chapter was in life.

Starting point is 00:47:52 My God. And now I believe she's, like, going to college. And it's like, she's probably, she's probably right when she says, like, she probably looks at life. Not that you, she was looking at it, like, frivolously at 12, you know? But, like, you're not fully cognizant of what, how fleeting life is. No, that will make you. You have stopped out in a second. Very aware.

Starting point is 00:48:10 She slept with like a pair of broken scissors underneath her pillow for like years. Oh my God. And like her family said like there was like family members that she like couldn't get close to. She had a hard time making friends. I'm sure. I wouldn't trust anyone. How do you trust someone after that? No, but she worked through it and now was like like wanting to thank the girl that did this to her.

Starting point is 00:48:31 What a badass. Peyton, you're a badass. She's a badass. Oh, I just want to like high five for her. Yeah. So that was all in the name of Slender Man. Wow. And now it's dark in here and it's spooky. And I want it to be done. I'm just shook at that case. Yeah. It is a, it's a rough case. It is. It is. It is, it is, it is a literal baby girls that are just doing the most adult monstrous things. Yeah. It's really scary. To somebody who trusts them. I feel like I used to, I don't feel like I used to watch that show like killer kids all the time. Ever since. Ever since you had kids. I can't because I'm so close to your kids.

Starting point is 00:49:12 Yeah. I'm like, oh my God, nope. It freaks me out. Yeah. Yeah, it's like too much. I can only imagine what happens when I have my kids because like you had yours and I'm already like tapped. Oh, just wait. Jesus.

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