Morbid - Ronald Dominique: The Bayou Strangler (Part 3)

Episode Date: February 19, 2024

(Part 3) In the spring of 2005, law enforcement officials in southern Louisiana had a growing number of murder victims they had begun to suspect were connected to an unidentified serial killer operating in the area. The victims were all men, mostly in their twenties and thirties, many had histories of drug and alcohol abuse or were known to police as sex-workers, and all had been strangled and dumped in secondary locations.Over the course of a decade, Ronald Dominique developed into one of the worst and most prolific serial killers in American history; yet his story and those of his victims remains largely unknown and ignored by the mainstream media. Thank you to the Incredible Dave White of Bring Me the Axe & 99 Cent Renal Podcasts for research!ReferencesAlford, Jeremy. 2005. New information coming soon in local murders. August 24. Accessed March 29, 2023. https://www.houmatoday.com/story/news/2005/08/24/new-information-coming-soon-in-local-murders/27020266007/.Armstrong, Shell. 2007. Dominique pleads not guilty to 9 murders. January 17. Accessed March 29, 2023. https://www.houmatimes.com/news/dominique-pleads-not-guilty-to-9-murders/.Associated Press. 2005. "Man found in Lafource Parish was from Houma area." Abberville Meridional, May 3: 2.—. 2005. "Deaths od five south Lousiana men may be linked, police say." Shreveport Times, April 25: 12.—. 1999. "La. deaths may be work of serial killer." Shreveport Times, June 23: 5B.—. 2006. "Police look for links between serial suspect, priest's death." Shreveport Times, December 9: 22.—. 2006. "Arrest made in serial-killer investigation." Town Talk, December 2: 17.—. 2006. "Serial murder suspect was average Joe, says shelter residents." Town Talk, December 3: 8.DeSantis, John. 2006. Accused lived on the fringe of two worlds. December 4. Accessed March 26, 2023. https://web.archive.org/web/20210128012212/https://www.houmatoday.com/article/DA/20061204/News/608089983/HC.Hunter, Michelle. 2006. "Serial-killer suspect confesses; Trysts led to rapes, strangling, cops told." Times-Picatune, December 6.L'observateur. 1999. Beaten teen’s body discovered in Kenner. October 26. Accessed March 27, 2023. https://www.lobservateur.com/1998/10/26/beaten-teens-body-discovered-in-kenner/.—. 1999. Two deaths reclassified as murders in St. Charles Parish. Fdebruary 6. Accessed March 27, 2023. https://www.lobservateur.com/1999/02/06/two-deaths-reclassified-as-murders-in-st-charles-parish/.Morris, Robert. 2006. Mother protests dead son’s link to serial killer. June 19. Accessed March 26, 2023. https://web.archive.org/web/20210131004921/https://www.houmatoday.com/article/DA/20060619/News/608089995/HC.Ramage, James. 2005. "Serial killer theory floats around cases." Shreveport Times, May 15: 1.Rosen, Fred. 2017. The Bayou Strangler. New York, NY: Open Road Media.—. 2018. Uncovering the Truth Behind One of the Bayou Strangler’s Victims. April 10. Accessed March 27, 2023. https://the-line-up.com/uncovering-the-truth-behind-one-of-the-bayou-stranglers-victims.St. Charles Heral-Guide. 2006. Mother’s tears for son killed by serial madman Dominique. 12 06. Accessed March 27, 2023. https://www.heraldguide.com/tragedy/mothers-tears-for-son-killed-by-serial-madman-dominique/.The Daily Review. 2002. "Houma man's body found." Daily Review, October 17: 6. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, welcome to morbid. It's Memorial Day morbid. It is. Right. Yeah, yeah. That's a holiday. Yeah, it's this holiday. It is. It's the holiday that's here. Not today, but like this weekend. It's the holiday weekend. It's the holiday season, except it's not. Say holiday again. Say crack again. Crack and do it. It's morbid at night, which means it's weird. It's weird and it's a little different because Elena and I said, well, all these people are probably going to be celebrated. breeding out by the water. Yeah, going to some lakes. Put it on some sand tan lotion, you know, like getting excited to get a nice, you know, glow, I guess. Soaking in that vitamin D. And then just jump into the lake where everything's usually fine, right? Lakes. Lakes are so peaceful. Lake houses, lake boats, lake docks, all those things on lakes. It sounds like you really know a lot about lakes. I do. I've opted out of lake. Well, honey. we are going to be covering Lake Lanier, which is in Jaja. Jaja.

Jaja. So what's up Jaja? I hope none of you are on Lake Lanier this weekend because you're going to want to leave after this episode. We're going to scare you away from it. So we're really going to scare you away from it. Yeah, I think we decided this week was going to be like weird, spooky bodies of water week. Yeah. I don't know.

There's no real reason for it. We tied it to a holiday weekend. but I don't know if it really makes sense. And you know what? I have to mention this too before we start. So I had already decided that I was going to do this episode. A girl I went to high school that I was friendly with posted on her Instagram story all about Lake Lanier. And I was like, oh my God.

I messaged her and I was like, I have to cover this. And she was like, I thought of you. Why have you not? Which is so funny. So I decided I was going to do it. I kind of started it. And then I was just like, you know, in my research process. And somebody on Twitter was like, hey, like you guys should consider doing an episode on Lake Lanier.

And I was like, are you in my brain? Like, it's a sign. So weird. I feel like that happens a lot. It does happen a lot. I'll be thinking of doing an episode. And then as I'm thinking about it, somebody will suggest it in the inbox or in like Twitter or something. And I'm like in Twitter.

She's a geriatric millennial. The old just said in Twitter. You're showing your geriatricacy. Whatever, man. Whatever. Whatever. But it happens a lot. So I feel like that's just because.

Our listeners and us are so connected. We're just on the same wavlons. Yeah, I feel like we're always vibed together. I feel like we're just one. We're on the same Lake Lanier. We're all together as one. And we just also wanted to point out that the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell News, whoa, holy shite.

We, Ash is definitely going to be doing an update because she covered that case so well. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Thanks. And so we'll be doing. doing an update on that for sure. So don't worry, it's definitely coming. We've just been watching it play out. Exactly. We initially, when they found like the bodies on the property, we were like, oh, we have to do, but then we were like, you know, let's wait. Then I wanted to see what was going to happen. Yeah. So we weren't just constantly doing an update episode. We figured we'd just

like get it all done at once. So we'll be doing that. So you know what? Maybe you can, I mean, I'm not promising anything because I don't, I don't like to do that. But maybe you'll get a bonus episode next week. Yeah, there you go. It could happen. I don't know. I don't know. All right. Let's all sit tight and see what's happening. Yeah, hold on to your butts. Hold on to those butts. But what I do know is that you're getting an episode today. So are you like ready to get into this? I'm ready. I have my floaties. I feel like I just went like full back to like full cheerleader. Are you ready to get into this? Okay. No, I have my floaties on. I have like the white sunscreen on my nose. Yep. Do you have a Oh my God. The other day we went swimming and Elena was with me.

And it just made me think of this. Drew's going to fucking kill me for telling this story. I love it. He has one of those like nose pinchers because he, I think he like, I don't know if he like learned to swim with his like, like, like losing his nose. He just, he always has to hold his nose when he goes underwater. So he was like, instead of holding it, this thing does it for me. And I was like, that's genius. But then he jumped into the water and I'm pretty sure it fell off. So well, you know what else fell off when somebody jumped in the water? water? Hold on. Okay. Literally. So John was so excited to jump into the water. It was the funny shit I've ever seen in my life. Him and Drew jumped at the same time and they each lost something. Because John is mid-air cannonball and I'm like, why does he have his glasses on? His full ass glass glass. But it was like far too late to tell him. And he hit the water and then he surfaced. And Ash said, funny, you just jumped in there with your water and with your glasses on.

I was like, why did you do that? Oh, shit. And they had to dive down and get them. But he was that excited to just jump in a body of water. It was very funny. It was really cute. Yeah. I liked seeing them like bro out and jump in a pool together.

They are the cutest. It was very cute. Let me just tell you that. I like that. I like that we found people that mesh well together. Yeah, I love that. Yeah. You always want to find somebody who mesh as well with your, with your, like,

with your significant other. Humans, other best human, you know? I'm your best human. You're my best human. You're my best human. No, and honestly, based on some of the people that I've dated in the past, woo-wee! Yeah, that could have gone a very different direction.

Elena has never liked a single person that I've dated. Nope, never have. Not one. Never have. We'll say that with full confidence. When Drew came along, I was like, there it is. Yeah, you guys are like best friends, too, and I'm always like, oh, okay. I love Drew.

All righty. I love Drew with the power of a thousand sun. Same. All right. Well, let's get into it. Linear. I always say Lanier. I do too.

I looked it up before because I knew I was going to fuck it up. I don't know why I'm the worst. Yeah, Lake Lanier is fucking wild. Like any article you read about Lake Lanier will tell you that it was a very controversial project even from the start. I love a controversial project. Yeah, you are a controversial project. I am a controversial project.

But for years, like before they even broke ground, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers wanted to make a man-made lake. There was a few reasons that they wanted to do this. They definitely wanted to produce hydroelectric power, especially to Atlanta, which was now pretty up and bustling. Happen. Hopin. Oh, you said hoppin.

Same thing. I wasn't going to go. I wasn't even going to correct. It was hopping and hopping. They also wanted to protect downstream areas from flooding, use the lake as a reliable water supply, and also use it as a fish and wildlife management support. So that was on their. PowerPoint presentation that they put together.

But there was many, many things that halted this project from even beginning in the first place. It was kind of almost like the universe was like, no, girl, don't do it. Girl! Like, that's what the universe said. She was like, no, it's not going to go well. The universe is out of breath. Yeah, but she is because she was yelling.

So the Great Depression actually put the project on hold for a while. But in 19... That little blip. Yeah, that'll do it. That'll do it. That Great Depression. Always puts your plans on a little. We really put a dam for on a bunch of shit.

It did. It's like, oh, we can't continue today. It's the Great Depression. They were like, yeah, we can't spend like $47 million on making this lake because there's not $47 million even circulating right now. Yeah, no. It's not going to look good. But in 1947, they did get the go-head to build the Buford Dam and then go on to create

the lake. Okay. However, there were a few. problems. The first was that Florida, Georgia, and Alabama were all arguing about the logistics of what the lake would be used for and the requirements that it would consist of because they all had access to this water. There was like two water basins, basins that met and they were all in charge of it. I said that on purpose. Water baths. Water basins. And then so they got over that. And then once they got over that, no one was agreeing on what the lake should be.

named. Oh my God, they're so whiny. They are. Everybody get along. And then there was this whole problem of that. They had to clear about 57,000 acres of land. Oh, okay, that little problem. That was like, like very much being used for, um, farming, living, houses, fucking businesses, churches, cemeteries, like, yeah, this is going well. Yeah, it's, I don't really understand the whole plan. Yeah, it's off to a great thing. It did happen. And they finally broke ground on March 1st, 1950. And actually more than 5,000 people attended this like groundbreaking event. And I mean like actual ground breaking.

Like literal ground breaking. Not like Miranda Priestley like groundbreaking. A little different. Like literally breaking the ground. Correct. Yeah. Now it would take about seven years for them to build the dam and then the lake. And for a long time, like I said, like nobody could agree on the lake's name.

So it just went unnamed for a long time. Ooh, I love that. And then finally, they decided to name it after this, like, wonderful guy named Sidney Lanier. Oh. He wrote, like, this awesome song called the song of the Chattahoochee. He was a poet, obviously a musician. And he also was a Confederate soldier. Oh, no.

So the fucking worst. Like, sorry, Sydney, but you're not it. Cool. Now, it was also alleged that the sons of the Confederate veterans actually, like, asked that this lake be named after him. Damn. And it's, guys, what's the fuck? It was troublesome from the start.

Yeah. The hindsight is 2020, I suppose. Certainly is. But I felt like that was a foresight. Bad choice. I feel like that should have been a little bit of foresight. Yeah, yeah. I think everything leading up to the lakes thing should have been foresight.

So far, this is just like, what do you guys? Also, manmade lakes are weird to me. I don't get it. They're weird to me. Drew is telling me that there's one in Massachusetts. Yeah, there's quite. There's quite a few. So it's like not like an uncommon thing.

It's just strange to me. And I don't know why I feel like it's like I feel like it's completely up to the earth to make lakes. I'm like, you know what the problem is? All on her shoulders. Mother Earth holds that burden for me is that like you need to make lakes. That's not me. But she did. She made great lakes.

She made great ones. Actually. And you know, I think we should have just left her to it. I think, I mean, she's proven. her worth in the making lakes business. And I think we've proven that we don't trust her apparently. We've proven that we make like haunted lakes. So I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I think I think we don't listen to her a lot. We probably should start listening to her. Yeah, I just don't think we should have elbowed into her her business. Yeah, like listen to Mother Earth and listen to Greta Thornburg.

There you go. I said her name correctly, didn't I? It is Thornburg, isn't it? It is. Listen to her. No matter what. She knows her shit. Listen to it. All right, anyways, this is morbid at night in case you couldn't tell. My brain has been going all the day. It really is.

But today, the 692 miles of Lake Lanier shoreline borders, Hall, Forsyth, Josson, Gwynett, and Lumpkin County. And also, I think that lumpkin is a much better name for pumpkin. We should just call them lumpkins because they're lumpy. It truly is. And they're umpkins, so like, why not? I love that. Cool, glad we're in Greece. I love it.

Lumpkins. Now, the water of Lake Lankan. reaches 258 feet at its deepest. No. And it has claimed, are you ready? 675 lives that we know of. Guys, don't swim there. 675 lives.

That's a lot. And at least, or excuse me, over 160 of those deaths have happened in recent year since 1994. What's happening? authority say also that there are at least 24 undiscovered bodies in the lake and for that reason many believe Lake Lanier is haunted as fuck. There's just 25 bodies in that lake. At least 24 undiscovered bodies in the lake. Just chilling? Oh no. Bitch, when we get into this, you're going to lose it. No. So, Oscarville, which is a town located in Forsyth County, was one of the main towns that was going to need to be flooded for the birth of Lake Lake Lake Lake. year. Yes, you heard correctly, they were just going to flood a whole ass town, multiple whole ass towns, actually. Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay. Now, we have to talk a little bit about the history of Oscarville because, like, I think it also was a warning sign to just everybody

involved. Yeah. It's located in Forsyth County, which probably sounds familiar to you if you heard our episode on Tamla Horseword. That's the county that she was from. The county is historically known for a pretty incredibly racist past. And in my opinion, I feel like it could have something to do with like the darkness surrounding Lake Lanier. Yeah. Because before the lake existed, there was an immense amount of racial tension in the area. Now, a young woman named Sleady Mae Crow was viciously beaten, raped, and killed on

September 9th, 1912. She was found unconscious laying in the woods near Browns Bridge and close by what would later become Lake Lanier. Now, some reports say that at the time she regained consciousness and was able to identify her attacker, but that could not be further from the truth. When she was found, she was found unconscious and then they brought her to the hospital and she never regained consciousness. So that's just false reporting.

And the reason that they were false reporting is because they were trying to push a narrative that the murder was committed by the black residents of the town. Of course. Of course. Because back then it was like terrible. Yeah. And I just want to let you know, this is going to be like very triggering probably for like very much racially charged incidents about to follow. So immediately the closest black residents to the crime scene were taken into custody.

Of course. Yeah, that makes total sense. Like no questions asked. They were just like, who were the nearest black people? Which is the most fucked up thing. I just. It's so weird to me. What?

It's so weird to be that people ever were this terrible. and then it's weird to me that people still are this terrible. It's like I can't wrap my brain around it. Now, one of the people taken into custody was Ernest Knox, who was a 16-year-old boy at the time. He was the one who confessed to the crime and actually named several other boys that he said were involved. But it was later revealed that he was coerced into confessing because they mock lynched him to show him what would happen if he did not confess. What? They mock lynched him to get him to confess.

the fuck. And like probably we're like, this is what's going to happen if you don't confess. And if you do confess, like, you can avoid this. Yeah, that's exactly what they were doing. And as we've seen with like West Memphis 3 and shit, that's a thing. Real false confessions do happen under duress. Absolutely. You just don't know. Yeah. So they forced him to admit to a crime that I don't believe he committed at all. That's crazy. Now, instead of standing by knowing that something terrible was probably going to happen to these young black men sitting in jail, now, the sheriff Bill Reed just decided to go home and leave one fucking deputy, one deputy to like protect all these prisoners if an angry racist mob showed up, which we all knew was going to happen. Which that's never happened before in history. No. That's shocking.

Never. Yeah, they couldn't have seen that coming. No, never. No, not at all. And actually, I guess the sheriff Bill Reed had like beef with this deputy because they were running against each other in like an upcoming election. So he definitely did it to be an announcement. 100% in multiple ways.

Yeah. Now, Rob Edwards was another 24-year-old black man, and he had also been implicated in the crime, and he was in one of the cells that was guarded by that single deputy. Now, in his book called Blood at the Root, which I absolutely recommend reading, it's really good. Patrick Phillips described what happened when the racist mob showed up at the jail that night. He said, quote, the lynching of Rob Edwards involved a very large crowd gathering outside the jail, dragging him out of the jail, beating him with crowbars, and then dragging his body around town behind a wagon. Then eventually his corpse is hoisted on a telegraph pole and everyone in the crowd takes turns shooting into his body.

The, I'm, there's very few times where I literally don't, I can't even form words. No, because it's just how the fuck do you do that to another human being, who you full well know did not commit this. crime. Like you, you guys all know that he didn't. You're just trying, you're just using him as a scapegoat and all these other boys as scapegoats. Wow. And these are young men with their entire lives ahead of them, with families who also were being intimidated at the time. We're literally just in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong skin color. Exactly. That's, wow. Exactly. I feel like that's like really, it's terrifying. Now, Ernest Knox and Oscar Daniel, who Oscar Daniel was 17 at the time, uh, they were publicly hanged as well, even though public hangings were illegal by that point.

Of course nothing would happen. No, of course not. The night before the hangings happened, the blind that was built to shield people from seeing these hangings was burned down so half of the county's residents could come and see the next day. And they did. Oh. Yeah. So after Sleady May's murder and the claim of another young woman that two black men raped her

after breaking into her bedroom, white residents. began just tormenting black residents in Forsyth County. These white residents called themselves night riders, and they would ride around shooting into the homes of any black residents that were still left in the county. Oh, I remember reading about this with the Tamla-Horsford case when I was doing the research on the background of the town or the county. That was, that's, I mean, it's like that not only are these human beings, like that you, that have done nothing. They own their properties. But it's also like, you don't know if there's like children in those homes?

They don't care. You don't care at all. They don't care. They don't care. Any of this. No. Like, that's truly outrageous. And not only were they shooting into their homes, they were killing their farm animals to intimidate them and obviously make them lose their money.

And they did this until about 95% of the black community left the county. And then eventually more and more people left to the point where there was only a handful of black people left. And they worked on a farm. Oh, my God. Like for a white man, obviously, which is just so fucked. And actually, to this day, I looked it up. And I believe the last census, the census that I looked at was 2019, I think. And by that point, Forsyth County only has a 4.4 black population.

Because I remember, I mean, not shocking. Not shocking. But shocking. All at the same time. So the reason why that ties into Lake Lanier is that some people believe the lake was not only created for the reasons that I mentioned earlier, but also to kind of. like just get rid of an incredibly dark pass, just literally erase it by just submerging it in water. Yeah.

As most of Oscarville was submerged by water when the lake was made. Only a few parts of Oscarville are actually around to this day. But it's like you're not burying it. You're just like adding another like weird dark layer onto it. You know, like you're not going to be able to get rid of that bad energy. No, absolutely not. With some water with 250 feet of water. Like, no.

You're just adding a whole bunch of shit on top of it. Exactly. It's going to seep into there. It's all going to come out at some point, which we will find out. Now, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began offering property owners money for their land. And in total, it's believed, about 700 families sold their land. They got about $30 per acre, which is shit for money. Yeah.

But most of them regretted selling because they realized they weren't paid enough. And also, they were like, you can't put a price tag on my home that I, that, like, you My home, my memories, my memories. And a lot of these, a lot of it was farmland. So these farms had been in families for generations and generations. Now, the first man to actually sell his property was an 81 year old man, which just, I'm like, you took his home and he's 81. His name was Henry Shadber, excuse me, Henry Shadburn's and he sold his 100 acre farm for $4,100. Today, that would be $45,000. $500. Oh my God.

For a hundred acres of land today, $45,000. Wow. Like, there's not even a word. Like, I was like, literally, I was looking up synonyms for the word steel, and none of them felt appropriate. I was like, steel, stolen, like, robbed. Like, there's not even a word for that. Yeah, that's, I mean, wow.

A hundred acres for fucking $45,000. I wish, bitch. I can't even picture 100 acres. Like, I can't even visualize that. I can't picture like five acres, to be honest with you. We get to 100 and I'm like, so that's just a town. I'm like, that's just a continent. What are you talking about?

Literally. I have no idea. So the land that wasn't already occupied by homeowners was occupied, I think I said it earlier, by cemeteries, churches, businesses. So they say that all of the bodies and the cemeteries were relocated. But a lot of people question if that's actually the truth, especially when it came to relocating bodies in unmarked graves. That's never the truth.

It's never the way. Ever, ever, ever. They never move all the bodies. They never do it because they get tired or something. They get tired. They get tired and they get greedy and they just want to make their leg. They don't, they don't hydrate enough. They didn't eat lunch and they never move all the bodies.

And they didn't stretch. That's always what happens. They just don't. And especially, I hate to say this, but the ones in unmarked grave, it's just. Yeah, they just don't. Yeah, they just, they don't. They want to get home for the voice and they just stop, they stop moving body. It happens every time.

It does. I've never heard of a thing where they're like, they moved to the cemetery and they got everybody in the cemetery and they put them all in marked graves and everybody was happy and no one was haunted after that. Butterflies, the end. It's always. Yeah, they said they did. But like, we don't think they did.

They definitely did. I saw one article where some guy was like, they definitely did. Like, they could never get away with that if they didn't. And I was like, hey, so they submerged it in like a shit ton of water. So, like, no one would really ever find out if they didn't. And they've definitely done it. And like, you need to calm down. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's good. And all of the buildings left standing were either relocated or burnt down to only their concrete foundations. Awesome. Which personally, maybe I'm like too much of an empath. But I feel like homes have feelings and like vibes in them. And burning them down that like burning down that many places is just like not good.

Yeah. I think, you know what? I feel you on that. Right. I feel like it's, especially like homes that people have lived in for generations and stuff. It's like they have an energy. They have a, they have like heartbeats of their own. Spirits may be lingering there.

I don't know. I think I agree. I agree. Something about it. You're like, I agree with your statement. I'm like, I agree with my statement. You're like, you know what? Me too.

I stand by it. Me too. I do agree with me. And so yeah, there's, so they were burnt onto the concrete foundations. And then trees were left, they were able to be left standing. if they would be at least 35 inches below the full level of the lake. Excuse me. Oh, my God, not inches.

35 feet. You know what? In my head, I was like, I think you mean feet, but not 35 inches. That'd be crazy. 35 inches. That's like real. So they were allowed to stay, remain standing if they were 35 feet below the full level of the lake.

But even 35 feet is not that deep. No. Like, I mean, I'm not swimming down there. I was just going to say, I'm definitely not swimming in that water. But like, still. But when we're talking about trees. What we're talking about trees, it's like, yeah. Yeah, it's fucked up.

So apparently there's just a bunch of old-ass trees and like concrete foundations just lying deep beneath the surface. All right. I think I might have that thing where you're, because I'm like terrified of dark water. Oh, yeah. Terrified. Yeah. And deep water. Oh.

Like just thinking about it, I just got like that like, oh. It's scary because we don't know what's down there. Fucking trees underneath me. No, no trees are above me always and forever. Yeah. They need to be like next to me. above me, not under me ever. It's just a standard we personally have.

It's fine if you don't. It's okay. And like thinking about like foundations of houses underneath me like 35 feet under, no. Because it just feels like they're sucking you in. No, that's like I'm getting uncomfortable and I'm on a couch. I know. A very comfy couch. I feel like we, I know. I know. I can't. I'm canceling my trip to Lake Lydia. We were never going. I'm canceling it and I'm not swimming in that water. You think that's bad? Listen to this. In 2001, the area was going through like a lot of droughts.

There's a lot of droughts going on. And the level of the water decreased so much that the top of the old concrete stands from Looper Speedway, which was an old racetrack, were just visible chilling in the lake. Oh, no. The stands where people used to sit and watch races. They submerged a whole ass racetrack, my dudes. A whole ass race track. Are there photos of this? It's probably somewhere, yeah, like all over the place.

I gotta look it up because that is wild. Me and Drew the other night, we were just watching like YouTube videos of divers going underneath Lake Lanier. It is the creepiest shit you will ever see in your life. Now, that's not it, my guys, because the ferry system that used to be used was put out of business when the lake was made. And instead of getting rid of all the old ferry boats, they just also submerged to them. So there's just old-ass ferry boats lurking down there too. No. And divers say, I don't want to play.

They say that as you like go deeper and deeper into the water, it gets incredibly murky, obviously. Of course it does. It is the pits of hell in there. It's literally hell. But when they have been able to find things along the floor of the lake, it's just like super fucking creepy. Because there's like I said, old house foundations, boats that have sunk to the bottom. And also just like potentially invisible forces that like don't want you lurking in the waters. also potentially the forces of hell that are under there maybe ready to drag your ass down with

them maybe potentially now this like really experienced diver guy was like I want to check this out for myself his name was buck Buchanan which I'm obsessed with buck you canaan he said quote you reach out into the dark and you feel an armor a leg and it doesn't move that's creepy buck yo buck that's more than creepy but that's a crime that's a true crime under underwater. Buck. Buck. Call someone. You feel, you feel a leg. We got to talk to someone. That's more than creepy. We got to mark the spot with an ex. Yeah, we got a podcast about it. What is this arm and leg that you're feeling underwater? He said, that's creepy. That's creepy. It's a little more than that, Buck. It's a situation. One might say that's unsettling. And then, Mama, many of the people

who were close to drowning in the lake, they say that they feel hands around. their legs pulling them underneath the water. Get the fuck out of here. Or like they'll be like swimming. Like and the other thing is a lot of the drownings that have happened like happened pretty close to the shore. Yeah. Because this is a demon lake.

Because this is a tail. But it's like people will say that they're like swimming and they're totally fine. And then suddenly like they just like all the breath comes out of their lungs and they just like can't breathe and then invisible forces pull them under. So like I don't know why you guys are still going to say. To be honest with you. Stop swimming. this lake. But, you know, I will play devil's advocate here so that all of you don't have to

yell at me. I'll tell you, this lake is definitely a spot where people go to party hardy. Over 7.5 million people visit the lake each year. I'm confused about why you're all still going. Yeah, all 7.5 million of you that are listening right now, clearly, don't go there. Don't stop it. Don't go there. Stop it. Stop laking. Now, Georgia actually in the past years has attributed the high death rate to the number of visitors, the lake attracts, obviously. But like, I don't think they realize that they submerged like hell, water. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's hell. But a lot of drownings or accidents have been alcohol-related.

And so much so that in 2013, they actually changed the blood alcohol concentration level from point, excuse me, to 0.08 for operating a boat on the lake. It used to be 0.10. Oh, right. If I can crash my car at that rate, like, I feel like a boat is almost a little bit more dangerous. Yeah, because you have like more like openness and. And like people aren't swimming.

in the road, they're swimming in the water where your boat is, where you shouldn't be a point 10 of drunkness. That's literally a fact. You are right. That's literally in the dictionary. It's in the thing. It's in the books. That's, yeah.

I mean, it makes total sense that the amount of people that go to this lake for year. Yeah. And the fact that they're all like partying, hardying. Yeah. It's like a party lake for sure. And I mean, they probably make good money now because there's like, there's a fucking like restaurants along the shore and there's like different places to go there's uh hotels yeah of course but if you're going to a lake guys i know it's fun to like party by a lake but like please be careful like bodies of

water are so fucking like cool get fucked up on the beach be my guess but stay out of the water if you're fucked up out of the water and you can't but it's like if you're partying on the beach i know it's fun but like you can't be sure that you're not going to go in the water right like because you're acting a fool yeah so just don't don't don't listen party girl herself. I love to party. Like, not anymore. I'm like, we were actually just talking about how different I've become. I'm just like an old woman. But I never partied on a lake. No, I just feel like it's just opening up too much. Like, we just covered the smiley face

deaths. And actually, that comes in here. We're opening up a lot of like, just, you know, a lot of cans of worms. A lot of error can happen here. And by the way, actually, this lake was never intended to be used for recreational purposes. I listed a whole last group of reasons before. I was Not once did I say for tubing and swimming and getting drunk and going on your boat. I didn't say that. I never said that. I didn't say that. And there's also like a ton of areas that are marked with no swimming signs and people just ignore them all the time.

Yeah. I mean the fact that like an entire civilization is literally submerged underneath it should be like reason enough probably not to swim in there. Yeah. But usually. I get it. I get it. Everybody wants a challenge, I suppose. you swimming among submerged trees and people's memories and ferry boats and the pits of hell,

then, you know, you do you. But like, be careful. Definitely be careful. Because a lot of weird shit goes down around this. I'm worried about all you. Yeah, she's a mom. You're all her children. So a lot of weird shit goes down here.

Yeah. Beyond the point of what I've even mentioned so far. I'm concerned. So let's get into one of the most famous ghost stories surrounding the area. please do the lady of the mother fucking lake the lady of the lake I added the mother fucking but but I bet she'd appreciate it

it felt right I don't know if she would now well actually I don't know her but I don't know it was 1958 so I don't think they said motherfucker that often but she probably felt a little repressed who am I to know maybe she'd like it now yeah actually yeah yeah I think she did feel repressed so in April of 50 in 1958

Delia May Parker Young and her friend Susie Roberts were driving to the three gables which was a local roadhouse in Dawsonville, Georgia. They actually, like, went to a gas station and left without paying, so that's why I think she maybe felt repressed. I was going to say that's pretty rebellious. Yeah, they were rebels without a cause. Now, Susie was the driver, and while driving over the Lake Lanier Bridge, for some unknown reason, she just lost control of the car and crashed off of the bridge, submerging the car into the lake. Oh. Yes. Now, they knew that

the car had gone into the lake because of the skid marks left on the road and, like, the road of the bridge, but it would be 31 years before Susie's car or Susie were ever found. Damn. Now, before that, in 1959, before Susie got found, a fisherman discovered remains floating along the surface of the lake, but the body was like very bloated. I mean, it had been a year at this point and really hard to identify. And they were actually unable to identify these remains or a cause of death for this particular body.

but they did note that the body was missing both hands and two toes on the left foot. What? Yeah. I don't know if it was just like probably like the elements of hell in the bottom of the lake. It was just hell. Helements. It was just the elements. I like that.

It was the hellments. It was definitely the heliments. But a ton of people thought that the body could have been Susie's or Delia's, but since they couldn't determine that to be true right then and there, the body was buried in Alta Vista Cemetery. in an unmarked grave. But a lot of locals who experienced the Lady of the Lake phenomenon speculated that the body was Delia's,

because Delia had been wearing a blue dress that night. And since the accident, cars passing on that particular bridge would see like a seemingly lost woman wearing a blue dress pacing up and down the area. And she was missing her hands. What? Yes. Imagine seeing that.

No. I don't want to either. Now, when Susie's car and her remains were found, they were doing construction to build a new bridge. And that's how they ended up finding it because they had to dredge the lake bed to install the pillars of the bridge. And when they did that, they found a rusted car with a body sitting behind the wheel. Not a body anymore, but you know what I mean? And they were able to determine that it was Susie's body through dental records, I guess. Damn. Which I'm like, damn, your teeth survived that long. I had to like double check 42 times because I was like, a shit. didn't have teeth anymore.

She didn't have teeth. Yeah, your teeth are pretty gnarly. She didn't have a body. It was just made of bones. But she had teeth. Now, but this has a happy ending because now they were pretty sure that the body that they had found was Delia's.

And so Susie was laid to rest in the Alta Vista Cemetery as well next to the formerly unmarked grave that was now marked Delia May Park area. Oh, okay, good. So at least they were able to IT. I mean, sad, but good. And I think it makes sense, too, that Dillia was the one haunting the bridge because she was the one who was discovered first and like left unidentified for so long.

Yeah. And she was, but I mean, she might have been trying to be like, hey, my friend's still down there. Exactly. You got to get her. I think that's what I was. Aw. I know. What a bummer.

I know. It's like a happy bummer because, like, they got reunited. I know. And I feel like one of them was trying really hard to help. To help their sister out. They were each other's best person. Yeah. Oh.

Oh, that's all right. Well, the next urban legend is that of the floating raft, which has been seen by multiple people in the lake at night. Okay. So this one, this is how it goes. They see like a shadow figure just like sitting on the raft and holding a pole to steer, like basically like to use the ground to like judge forward. To judge forward. You know, as one does. And a lantern they're holding to see in the dark.

Yeah. That, you know, that sentence structure was just perfect. It was, and that's a very normal thing to see in the dark to me. Always. A shadow figure with a lantern and a pole shushing themselves forward on a lake. Seems pretty chill, except it doesn't at all. No. Because there were two fishermen one night that saw the raft in the distance, and they were out fishing at like one in the morning.

Yeah. And it was like a pretty cold night. I mean, I don't really understand why they were fishing at one in the morning, but like insomnia, I guess. Get it. It was like a cold night. It was like, I guess, in the middle of fall. And they probably weren't really expecting to see too many other people out there doing the same thing. I wouldn't.

Me either. I wouldn't be there in the first place, but, you know. That's neither here nor there. Correct. But they spotted the man. And right away they were confused because the part of the lake that they were sitting on, and like he was pretty like sitting on as well, was about 45 feet deep. But the man in the distance wasn't seeming to have trouble using the pole to like inch himself forward. In a second.

And like the pole didn't seem to be 45 inches long plus. 45 plus inches long. You know so. I mean feet, God damn it. You love, you fucking love an inch. I do. We love the inches. Give you a foot and you take an inch.

Yeah. That's what it's about. That's, that's, that's a bad joke. If he just says a 40, that's a bad joke. Dad jokes. Can you imagine though a 45 foot pole? And he's just like, no. Georgian himself or?

with it. Yeah. Just at 1 a.m. 45 plus, too, because the water is just 45 deep. Just be in a shadow figure. I'm just going to not say measurements, units of measurement anymore. Just numbers. It was 45 deep.

Just context clues, you'll figure it out. It was deep. But yeah, he didn't seem to be having any trouble moving himself forward. And, you know, I don't know. Then shit got crazy. Out of nowhere. Seems suspect. The man stood up on the raft, which seems chaotic.

And then shouted something at the bend to further create chaos. And then to like bring that chaos level to a hunt it, he dove into the water. Oh, stop. Like in their direction. It's the fall, sir. Stood up, yelled something, and then drove into the probably freezing cold water. The freezing cold hell water. Hell water.

They panicked. Like they were like, oh my God, what's about to happen? But when they flashed their light back where the raft had been, nothing was there. Oh, I hate that. I really don't like that one. So that be the raft. I don't like that one at all.

That's almost like the redheaded hitchhiker on Route 44, how it's just like, I don't know. It just gave me that feeling of like, no, it's there. Yeah, it's there. So why it's not now? See, now that one, I feel like if I had to choose, like choose your own adventure between two of those things. I'd choose the raft. I would choose the raft because that guy on the redheaded hitchhiker. ends up in your back seat. Yeah, that I'm not okay with. At least this guy doesn't end up on your boat,

because fuck that. No, I don't want that. Get off my boat. Get off my boat. We're going to need a bigger boat. Thank you for saying it. I literally was like, ah, ah. We were literally just watching that thing on Jaws the other day, too. We were. As a little side, my kids got like very obsessed with the idea of Jaws. They're five. Yeah, they have not seen Jaws and they will not be seeing it. But I think it was on the Today Show that like they showed a quick little clip of Jaws because they were saying how many sharks have, like shark attacks have been happening. And there's been so many sightings. And sightings, yeah. And so I think one of my twins was there and was like, what is that? And I was like, oh, that's not real. And I was like, don't, that's a movie. It's just about a big crazy shark.

Everything's not really fine. Yeah, I was like, don't worry. That's not how big sharks are. And so I know them. So I found a documentary about the making of Jaws. And I was like, they'll love this. It was cool. fucking loved it. Like my two five-year-olds were so into Bruce the fake shark. Bruce the fake shark. They were all about it. They wanted to know if Steven Spielberg went to many years of school to become a director.

They were like very interested in this. I love that. If your kids are scared of, you know, sharks or something, show them behind the scenes of Jaws. It's fun. You're going to have to go beep when they yell shit sometimes. But like it's fine. It's okay. Just yell beep.

They've definitely heard T.T. say shit before. In fact, for some reason, I have been saying, like, oh, that's sexy to like everything lately. Oh, God. And one of your kids was showing me like a bunch of stuffed animals that they got. And I almost just went, oh, that's sexy. And I was like, I can't say that at all to you. Like, that's wrong.

No, we don't need that. I was like, that's great. That's special. T.T.'s not meant to have kids any time. T. T.T.'s rocking the T. T.T.'s rocking the T. T. I love it. But that was a little side tangent. for you. Well, that was actually, behind the scenes of Jaws. That was actually perfect because now we're kind of getting like, like, into some like real concrete shit. So I needed like a little segue. Oh, good. Okay.

I'm happy to do that for you. Thank you, best human. So yeah, we're going to get into some real concrete mystery that has gone down near and in the lake because we're going to talk about the disappearance of Kelly Nash. And this is a case that has stumped people for years. So Kelly was born on September 15th, 1989 in Alabama to his parents, Alan and Beverly. He had been attending Georgia Gwynett College with hopes to become an accountant. And at the time, he was also working for his dad's construction company. So he was just like doing the damn thing. He's really doing the damn thing. Yes. And he also had a pretty long-term girlfriend named Jessica. They had been together for three years and they just moved into a home together around this time in Beaufort, Georgia. But Kelly disappeared early on the

morning of January 5th, 2015, and he had disappeared not too long after he woke up, which is like, it's just like weird to me. Yeah. Because where'd you go? Right, exactly. So he had been having a ton of sinus trouble as of late, and he like wasn't really feeling great. He woke up coughing and sneezing a ton, and he couldn't get back to sleep, but he didn't want to disturb his girlfriend, who was asleep next to him. He was like, she's got to get up in the morning. So he decided to head out into the living room on the couch to play some video games and he was like, I'll just fall asleep there when I do. And that way I'm not bothering her. So Jessica did end up waking up around like four and was like, oh, Kelly's not sleeping next to me. But she heard his video games coming from the living room.

So she went to check on him. He was still there. And he explained that he wasn't feeling well. I was shocking. I thought something different was going to happen. I know. That's why I paused that long. He just explained her, you know, he wasn't feeling well, couldn't sleep, yada, yada, yada. And she was like, Okay, like, cool, went back to bed. Cool. She woke up again at 7.30 to let the dogs out and get ready for work, I assume. Who let the dogs out? Jessica.

Jessica did. Okay, a quick side note. I just found out that that's like a super like feminist song. Oh, really? Yeah, I don't know the exact fucking explanation right now. Wow, cool. I saw it on TikTok, but it's all about feminism. I saw it on TikTok.

I did. I saw it on TikTok. I learned a lot of shit on TikTok. It's just favorite sentences. I saw it on TikTok. It absolutely is. But anyways. Kelly was not in the living room anymore at that point. Oh, no.

By 730, he had disappeared from the living room. Oh, what happened? So his game was idle. So it had paused itself, I think, is what that means. Oh, okay. Like it had timed out kind of like. Yeah, like lack of activity. It was like, it was like Netflix.

Are you still there? Yeah, exactly. And everybody was like, no. And she, so she noticed that that was going on. And then she noticed that the garage door was like slightly open. Huh. Now, Kelly's truck was still parked out front and his wallet was left behind. and I believe his cell phone was left behind as well.

What was missing, though, was his nine millimeters, see, units of measurement. There it is. It's throwing you for a week. His nine pistol. A single clip was also missing. And in some sources, I read that his car keys were missing and then in others, they were left behind.

So that one's questionable. So choose your own adventure on that one. Yeah. But at least like a lot of things that he would have needed were missing. Yeah. Or excuse me, we're there. Yeah. Like without him.

We're not with him. And then, like, creepy stuff was missing, like a single clip for a pistol and a pistol. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. And Kelly's family was, like, freaked out, obviously when he was reported missing because they were like, this is not like him. He had a ton going for him and he would not have just walked up and away from his life. I mean, you hear that all the time. His father actually said, quote, he saw what he wanted in life.

He had it figured out and was working to get there. Strong relationships were what he wanted in life. Kelly wasn't driven by money, but by doing things the right way. Yeah. And it's like the whole thing of him getting up because he didn't want to disturb his girlfriend's sleep because she had to wake up early the next morning. It's like he cared about her. Yeah.

He was considerate enough to do that. It doesn't feel like someone who's ready to just walk away from that person. No, definitely not, to me at least. Yeah. So the search for Kelly included helicopters and search dogs, but they just could not find him. There had been surveillance footage found of Kelly earlier that night at a gas station where he seemed to be acting really normal. He was actually on the phone with his girlfriend, and I believe he bought some cold medicine. So it was like before everything it happened. Yeah.

But they released it because it showed what he was dressed in. He was dressed in pajama bottoms and a dark colored shirt. And that was also the last thing that Jessica had seen him missing before, or excuse me, wearing before he went missing. And then there was also footage of someone walking by that same gas station in the early morning hours around 4.30 a.m. The first, footage is like too grainy to really make out any appearances. But strangely enough, there was also an arson that went unsolved at the gas station that same night. Huh. So he went missing grainy, weird footage where they were like, I don't know if that's him. And then there was an unsolved arson. Yeah, that's just a lot of weird stuff. Super duper weird. Now, the body of 25-year-old

Kelly Nash was found about a month later on February 8, 2015. A fisherman discovered him in Lake Lanier. I know. I almost said that too. Because I'm looking at it and it's L-A-N-I-E-R. So I want to keep saying like Lanier. Yep, that's exactly what my brain does. Lanier. Okay, a fisherman discovered him in Lake Lanier by Shadburn Ferry Boat about two miles from his home and not far from his father Alan's home who lived on that same road. Oh. Which I assume is actually named after that guy who sold his land earlier. Yeah. Now they were able to identify Kelly because he was wearing the, the, the, dark shirt and the pajamas that his girlfriend said and that we had seen at the gas station. And he also had some tattoos that were able to be used to identify him.

Now, at first, they didn't realize it, but upon like the medical examination, he had one single gunshot wound, rumored to be to the head, but you cannot find like concrete evidence that where, of where this. Like no confirmation. There's no confirmation of where the gunshot wound was. Huh. And I have searched far and wide. See that autopsy report.

I typed in Kelly autopsy. I did it all and it did not work. Huh. And his gun that was missing from the house was never found. Hmm. So while he was missing still, there were rewards of up to $50,000 for information. And during that time, his family hired a private investigator. But that kind of only deepened to the mystery because his father said, quote,

this is the problem. We can't find anything bad that Kelly was associated with. While we've tried, you're starting. you're trying to find a starting point. Is there something that he was doing that none of his family members would know? This is not a young man tied up in some dark world situation. There were rumors that like it was something drug related or something like that. Because that's like the first thing that a lot of people would jump to.

Of course. But I think his father saying that is like, no, like he wasn't wrapped up in this stuff. So that only makes it more confusing. Like not only did we not know about him being involved in anything like that, But, like, even digging into it, we didn't find anything. We can't even uncover stuff that he was hiding. Right. And, like, I mean, private investigators always find crazy shit usually.

But they did not believe that he had walked two miles in the rain on a cold night to end his life. Though many do, many people do believe that it was simply a suicide. And some people say that they think he went out to the dock that night, like near the water and shot himself so that he would like end up in the water. and there wouldn't be a big mess for anyone. Yeah, I mean, it's not out of the realm of possibility by any means. No, of course not. Now, other people think that Jessica might know more than she's saying. And I didn't include her last name just because I didn't want, like, rumors to start and everything like that.

But while searching web sleuths, actually, I found that she had been previously married to a man named Jason Baker who died in an accident. Huh. Which is just like a little bit weird, but you can't find anything about his death either. I searched for his obituary or anything like that, and you can't find anything about that. So I'm definitely not pointing fingers here. It's just like some people say. It's just an interesting tidbit. Story. Exactly.

But theories aside from suicide actually point to the smiley face killers. That's, wow. Which is like super duper weird because we just covered that. But I don't really think it's fitting in this case. Yeah, especially because I don't know if that's even a real thing. I mean, I do, but I don't think it fits here. But other people say that because the garage door obviously was open and people are like, well, maybe he heard something outside, went to investigate with his gun and ran into something nefarious along the way. Yeah.

So it's still unsolved. Yeah, that's all very, it's all very like just bizarre. Yeah. And honestly, like all of the theories seem pretty plausible. Yeah. I mean, you could definitely every single one that was presented, you're like, all right, I guess. I guess so. Like none of them are like, oh, yeah.

Right. That's it. You know, like, all of them are just like, okay. Yeah, that could have happened. Yeah. Which is rare. Usually it's, you lean towards one or none of them really fit the bill, but this one is like, yeah. Yeah, all of that makes sense. That all of that makes sense. But it's like just the mystery of Lake Lanier. Yeah. That lake, man. That hellish, hellish lake. Because no matter what, even if it is, you know, he went to, he went to Lake Lanier. Yeah, exactly. It's like, what is the pole there? Why was he drawn there? Yeah. So that's, so that's, that's. So that's, so that's. So that's, he's, he's, he's. So that's. So that's, so that's. So that's, so that's, so that's. So that's, so that's. So that's, so that. So that's, so that It's creepy no matter what. It really is. And tragic, no matter what. I was literally just going to say I'm so tragic. We're stealing each other's works. We are because we're each other's favorite human. Yes. So we're going to talk about another case, but this one is a murder. And it's also unsolved. A murder. So Hannah True Love is another girl that went missing. And she was discovered nearby Lake Lanier. Her death was, like I said, 100% murder, but again, never solved. She was just 16 years old when she went missing on August. 24th, 2012. Oh, man. A little baby. She had last been seen hanging out with her friends at her apartment building. She lived there with her mother. They were last seen hanging out around 7.30 on August 23rd.

But she was later found murdered in the woods next to the lake the next day. She had been stabbed multiple times. What? Yes. And they said that they weren't sure that she died of her stab wounds. but like maybe like bleeding out or something like that. Oh, God. There was a lot of, there was an issue because in the days leading up to the murder, oh, actually, hang on, sorry. We're going to get to the issue after. You're like, wait a second.

I read, I put my notes the wrong way. But in the days leading up to the murder, this is super creepy. She was tweeting just like some very strange things. She mentioned having a stalker in one tweet. What? In another tweet, she said, so scared right now. then I went to look at her Twitter myself because it's still up and you can definitely tell that she was going through something with her friends like she was tweeting about people being fake and

like oh you know like I don't need you like very like 16 year old stuff like going through some shit with friends yeah and definitely tweeting about a boy as well like again very 16 year old but mixed in all those tweets were some more creepy things like quote I'm going to start driving to school again mark my words it's like why like I feel like that means something Like I'm not, yeah. Like I'm not comfortable walking to school. And then she tweeted, I can't do this by myself. What?

Like I can't. That to me sounds like I can't protect myself. Or like I can't handle the stress of this myself. Right. So this is the part that I was saying. Like, unfortunately, there was a really big storm the night that Hannah went missing. And when she was discovered, Lieutenant Dan Franklin said she was, quote, laying under submerged water for a period of time. And so unfortunately, what.

that did is it washed away a great deal of our trace evidence and blood evidence. So that's why she did have multiple stab wounds, but they weren't sure if she died of those because they were like, none of them were like really life-threatening. Yeah. And that water man, water really fucks up a crime scene. As we found out last week and the week before. Exactly. Now there were a few reports of suspicious cars in the area of the apartment complex that night. One was a 1990, to early 2000's four-door vehicle, believed to be either a Chevy or a Dodge with front-end damage. And the investigator said of that, that they think the people in that car could have some pretty valuable information if they would just come forward.

Wow. But so far, I haven't seen anything of them coming forward. But it's like, they're definitely... Things kill me. Well, and I think they're definitely keeping something close to the chest with this investigation, because they're like, we know that this car was in the area. we know that the people in there have valuable information, but it's like there's way more to that. Yeah, there has to be way more to that.

Because I agree with you that I think they're just, they're holding something. And it's also confusing because it's like, well, if you knew who they were, then couldn't you just like go talk to them? Yeah. But it's like you don't know who they are, but you know that they have valuable information. It's just like we have like three pieces to a hundred piece puzzle here. That's what it is. It's like we have like the, we have three of the corner pieces and nothing in between. Yeah, exactly.

Nothing to connect anything. Right. Now, Hannah had also been seen walking behind a teenage boy who had pulled into the apartment complex with two other teen boys in a silver car. Now, she was seen alive after that, but what was weird was that she had been walking with this boy behind the apartment, and it was where they ended up was not far from where she was later murdered. Okay. Which is just, like, kind of weird. Weird, for sure. Worth mentioning, but it doesn't sound like he had to be.

I don't know. The smoking gun. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird. Now her mother, Mona, says that her daughter was a quote, funny, loving, compassionate child that did not deserve anything like this. And she thinks that whoever did this was someone who Hannah knew. Yeah.

And she said she recognizes the possibility that it could be a random act, but she has a gut feeling that Hannah knew the person. Yeah. That's stalker stuff. Stocker stuff. And then stabbing is personal. It is. I mean, it's definitely.

obviously like there's times where I was going to say that that's a that's a tough one just because you know so many people stab people and don't that is true but I think like when you connect it to the Twitter stuff and yeah something's a little off there definitely like there was some nefarious dealings around her and just like even not even like the stalker stuff but just the fact that she was clearly going through something at the time and like there was some stuff going on arguing with maybe her a friend group or something I don't know it just seems weird It reminds me of like a Skylar-Neice kind of situation. It does.

And Twitter's involved, of course. And it's always weird to hear these cases where Twitter is a thing. Because, like, we deal with a lot of cases where, like, social media is not a thing yet. I know. Especially Twitter. So it's like, it's always weird when, like, you can go back on these tweets. It is weird. What state of mind somebody was in leading up to it.

I actually did that with the Elisa Lam case and going through her Twitter. And, like, Tumblr and stuff. Oh, my God. I actually just got chills because her Tumblr and her Twitter. and her Twitter. I don't actually know. I don't think I looked at her Tumblr, but her Twitter I looked at and it just left me with this eerie fucking feeling. I didn't even know she had a Twitter. That's crazy. I looked at her as in like the middle of the night. Hannah's I looked at like early in the morning. So it was a little less creepy, but very still creepy. And also she was beautiful. Of course.

Like absolutely gorgeous. Her father said that he knows that one or two people saw what happened and he wishes that they would come forward. No, I don't know if he means like he knows that because he's heard things or he just knows like in his heart and his gut that this happened. Yeah. But he wishes they would come forward and just like say who did this to his daughter. Just give closure. Yeah. Now anyone with information regarding this case is asked to please call the Hall County Sheriff at 770 531-6885 or crime stoppers at 1-800-2-2-2 tips. And I will also link that in the show notes if or put that in the show notes. Awesome. Now, bad things really truly never seem to stop happening at Lakeland yet.

Yeah. So far so good here. I'm going to give you like a couple other brief things that I found during the research process. These aren't like super far in depth, but they are definitely work budgeting. They are things. A man named Jason Millen went out to fish on November 17th, 2019. And while he was like out there fucking lining up his bait, I don't know what he said. Well, he was out there, you know, fishing, doing that fish thing.

What do they say when you're baiting the line? You're baiting that fucking line. Yeah. That's what they say. Worms. I don't know. I have no idea. But while he was doing that, he saw something shiny underneath the surface of the water.

So he went a little closer and actually went over it with his boat. And he realized that it was a motherfucking van. No. No. His boat. No. Was over a van. No.

That's a phobia. And I forget what kind of phobia it is, but it's one I have. Of like big things, yeah. Like big submerged. You should Google that while I talk because it's going to bother me now. I don't want that at all. I don't want that at all. No.

I don't like it at all. I think I've probably mentioned this story like at least three times between this. Are you talking about the shipwrecks? Absolutely. And I don't even care because we get new listeners sometimes. They need to know. When I went, I don't know, it's snorkeling, I think, in the Bermuda triangle with Drew, he was terrified to do it, but he did it for me.

And when we were over those shipwrecks, it was like, the coolest, but the creepiest thing I've ever done in my life. Because you feel like you're like, like, they're going to, like, swallow you. Yeah, you feel like it's going to suck you in. I don't know what it, or I feel like it's going to grab me. I just, I don't know. Yeah, you just feel like something's going to pop out of there. It's too, it's too spooky. But when the van was in submechanophobia. Submechanophobia. Yes, that's the fear of submerged manmade objects. All right. Well, like, count me in because. Yes. No, that's actually just the fear of Lake Lanier. It literally is.

The fear of Leconea. That's it. Now, when the van was investigated, they found the remains of a 56-year-old man inside. His name was Van Dobbs, and he had been missing since June of 2018. What? Yes. I guess he just, like, crashed his car off of the, off of like a bridge or something nearby and ended up there. And it was a van.

And his name was van. That's weird. I know it is super, super weird. But it was a silver minivan. Oh, that's so sad. Yeah, I know, I know. Like, people just driving off a bridge or something or, like, having a crash and you end up in that hellhole. No, no, thank you.

And the news reporter, this is just like, this is a little bit lighthearted and silly. The news reporter for the segment that I watched on this, I just saw like a little news clip. And he said, when the lake level drops at Lanier, who knows what you'll find. I was like, not a game I'm really interested in playing. I was going to say, it's like, whoo-hoo, everybody look out. Check out. Maybe we'll find some more corpses. Everybody look out.

It's like, I'm actually good. Stay tuned for news at eight. Okay. No, thanks. Okay. Now, this blew my mind because I did not know. I knew that this happened, but I didn't know that it happened here. Usher, like the star.

Like Usher. Like Usher. Like, do need I explain more? Like, yeah, yeah. I was thinking more like, these are my confessions. But his stepson, Kyle Glover. was critically injured in July of 2012 on the lake, Lake Lanier, while he was tubing with a friend. I remember this.

Yeah. He and his friend Jordan Shep were on the inner tube when they were struck by a jet ski. And the jet ski was driven by a family friend, Jeffrey Hubbard, who was later found guilty on charges including homicide, serious injury by vessel, reckless operation, unlawful operation of a personal watercraft and a boat traffic violation. Yikes. Now, apparently before this all happened, he was like just being like super duper reckless on the jet ski and like just being a pretty much being an idiot. Yeah. And his mother, Kyle Glover's mother, was on the boat and saw Jeffrey like zooming toward them. So she saw this all happen. And her husband dove into the water and like got like got them. Oh my God. But Kyle Glover like I said was critically injured. So he went to the hospital and he was there for like a week or two. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And. And he was like hooked up to life support, but eventually they had to pull the plug on the life support because he was declared brain dead. I do remember this. I remember that story.

Now, Jeffrey Hubbard was actually sentenced to four years in prison for this. Damn. And Kyle's mother, Tamika Foster, said, Kyle was the most creative, genius songbird, both funny and handsome. I'm so grateful for my time with him. I can smile today. Oh, this one that gets me. I know. I can smile today because I never missed a beat as his mother.

he knew daily that I loved him so much. Oh, which is... Just destroy my heart. Like ruin me. Destroy it. Now, as recently as this past Mother's Day, there was actually a boat explosion on Lake Lanier. Oh, okay. Just a boat explosion.

Last Mother's Day. And the cause of the explosion has not been determined yet. Yeah. Of course it has. Lake Lanier. I was going to say, cause of explosion. Lake Lanier. Hell.

Or is it Lanier? No, linear. Okay, Lanier. Okay, sorry. Because I remember that when we, before we started in the episode, I put it into Google and I put the lady's voice on slowmo and she was like, Lake Lanier. Like you. Because we say Lanier. We say Lanier.

Yeah, that's what is. I think we do like an eh. It's la near. We do a eh. But back to this boat explosion. There is a water park called Margaritaville on Lake Lanier. Yeah, there is. I mean, like, hell yeah, there is.

And there's a fueling dock nearby and that's where the boat exploded. Shit. Now, a family on board included parents Annie and Steve and their three children. Taylor and Gunner, who are 16 and 13, respectively, were actually airlifted to the hospital and have since been sedated so that they can get through the pain of their burns. They are expected to recover. Oh, my God. I saw a report. The last report on this I saw was May 10th, I believe. And at that point, Taylor especially, she had the worst injuries. and she was expected to have a tap to spend at least another week being sedated.

Because I can't imagine the pain. Oh, I can't. I can't. Burns, I can't even put my brain in that place. I really can't. It's terrible. And this is a little, this is a trigger warning. It involves an animal before I say this.

Their younger son suffered injuries and he's at home recovering now. And unfortunately, their dog was killed in the blast. Oh, that's so sad. Yeah. There's a GoFundMe that, um, Their lake family, as they're called. Oh, stop it. They call each other their lake families.

The lake family set up a go-fund me for the medical bills, and I'm going to link that in the show notes. If you're able to help, definitely do your best. Yeah. I'm definitely going to. I'm just going to say I want to. Now, and I'm just going to end it here, because it's a little more lighthearted. It's probably the lighthearted, most lighthearted that we've got on this.

I hope so. There are reportedly catfish in the lake. Oh, shit, yeah. Whose size I have seen compared to 12-year-old children and Volkswagons. A fish, the size of a Volkswagen. No, thank you. And also, like, a Volkswagen bug, a Volkswagen Jetta. Like, which one?

Which one we're talking about? But the legend says. No matter what, no matter what kind of Volkswagen. It's not okay. Swims by me. I'm going to be upset. It's simply not okay. I'm going to be upset.

No, this is fucked. And if you're a vegetarian, probably don't listen or vegan. Or you like chickens. So legend says that there was a truck in the 80s carrying live chickens and that it crashed off the Thompson Bridge. Because there's like a ton of crashes surrounding Lake Lanier. Yeah. Now obviously it sunk to the bottom of the lake. And they say that when the divers had to go check out the wreck there just to like see what had happened.

And like I can't even like say this without like fully panicking. there were huge ass catfish fighting over the chicken carcasses and swallowing them up in one bite. No, no. And I'm going to post a picture of these motherfucking catfish because whoa dang. You thought catfish with Neve was something? Honey, Childs, let me tell you, you ain't seen nothing yet. Oh my God. A Volkswagen catfish.

I'm very stressed out. There's also some fishermen willing to back that story up and they tell a story of. of what they were out fishing and they like got their line on like one of these Volkswagen catfish bit their line and just fucking these people had their boats carried around the lake while they were trying to catch these fish. Of course they did. What? I am not well after that.

No Volkswagen should be swimming by me in a lake. It's just not something I needed my life. This is like when I'm sitting here telling my five-year-olds like, no, Bruce from Jaws isn't real. And then in the next breath, I'm hearing that Volkswagen can swim by you in Lake. And eat you up in one bite. In that lake. Like maybe that's where the undiscovered bodies are. Yeah.

I think the catfish ate them. The Volkswagen fish. I think the Volkswagen ate the corpses. Like that's not a cat. My cat weighs six pounds. That's not a cat. Unreal. That's an elephant fish.

And people say that these catfish. can also create like, I mean, this is a lake, it's not fucking wavy. No. They can create like massive waves that have like capsized boats. I don't like this. This is not the most lighthearted part of this. This is the scariest part of this. I mean, it is correct.

As far as I'm concerned. You're correct. I do not like, I mean, I've mentioned it before. I'm not a big water person. See, I am. And I don't like giant things in the water. It's not something I want to be a part of. No, I hate that Lake Lanier has taught me.

there might be giant catfish Volkswagen 12-year-old boys lurking below when I'm not going to Lake Lanier, but I'm going to go to like another lake. They're there. There's a Volkswagen under you. And like catfish lips are just all the wall. That's like the whiskers. Oh, they're so, yeah. The thought of a fucking 12-year-old boy Volkswagen catfish. It's just like, they say that they drown people because they just like accidentally get in in their mouth. Because they're huge. That's not real, I don't think. But I don't know.

Anything's possible when you fucking submerge an entire fucking multiple counties under a lake. Anything is possible. If you just don't believe. If you just believe. Anything's possible if you just travel to Lake Lanier. I don't. This, no. I'm out.

I'm a land lover. Can we just like, I think this is what we need to do. I think we need to reverse it. I think we need to put our thing down. I was just going to say flip it. And I think we need to flip it. And I think we need to. reverse it. I think we need to... I think we need Missy Elliott on the scene. Yeah. And I think

she needs to press the button and like, oh my God, I remember like when I used to watch Phineas and Ferb, Dr. Dufenschmorts, Evil Incorporated, he would always want to like, like, there was an episode where he like took all the water out of a lake. And I think somebody needs to call him. Yeah. I think we do. I think that's, that's it. And just let's rebuild. We already have the fucking foundations, I guess. Let's get that guy and Missy Elliott together. And I think, think we're going to be okay. I think that would make a great music video, Missy Elliott, if you're listening. That guy, Missy Elliott, 2024. Can you say Dr. Dufant Schmorts? Dr. Dufant Schmorts. Yes. And Missy Elliott. I vote for them as a team.

And they can do a sound called Evil Incorporated. There you go. And also work on a project of taking the Slake back. Yeah. Take it back. I think they can do it. Someone has the receipt. Yeah, someone does. Someone's got to take it for store credit. I don't know. I was just going to say that. I'll take store credit. We'll get a new one. I'll take a gift card. Yeah.

I'll take nothing. Yeah. I'll just give it back to you. I'll eat it. It's fine. Yeah. You know what I'm not going to eat is a 12 year old boy catfish. Guys, that was a serious, serious episode.

And it was a very, that episode ran the gamut of emotion. It truly did. Because in the beginning, I was like, wow, this is heavy. And I'm feeling like a lot of stress and sadness about this. And then it just, it just waved. It was like a catfish Volkswagen wave, and it just took me for a ride. It did. It did, man.

You're welcome. And like I said before, I care about you guys. So don't be stupid around bodies of water. Yeah, come on, man. Especially not this weekend. Like, I want all of you to live for a super long time and especially past this weekend. Be safe. So everyone be safe.

It's the holiday weekend. Make good choices. But, yeah, just make good choices. Call me if you all around. Call us if you need us. We're here. We might be there. We're here to help you.

I'm just kidding. We're here to listen at least. Yeah, that. So, wow, thanks, Ash. You're welcome. For that. And we'll be adding to your fear of water in the next episode. Yeah, literally tomorrow.

Well, guys, we hope you keep listening after that. And we hope you keep it. But that's where you get eaten by a giant catfish Volkswagen. Bye. I love you. Beep. Blom Blum.