Morbid - September Bonus Episode Unknown Number The High School Catfish

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is a Wwop, weir! Bonus episode. It's a bonus episode. Wherip, whir. And that is our new intro.

Yeah. I'm just kidding. Let's not. We're going to workshop it. Yeah, we're going to think of something fun as an intro for bonus episodes. You've probably heard it right now. Dave. You already heard it.

Perhaps. Yeah, we need some good music. And hopefully you just heard some. But if you didn't, if you heard good music, but it's the same theme. song as regular morbid, then we're still thinking on it, you know. So just bear with us. We're working on it. We're working on it. All right, brothers. So today we are here to talk to you for our very first ever bonus episode on series XM. This is so exciting. I just took one sip of, actually, we had to pause for a second to make sure that the recording was like working. So the intro and then

now one sip of coffee, I'm a change. Yeah, the energy has shifted just in about five minutes. I am Lorla Gilmore. Yeah. Actually, you are Lorley Gilmore. Yeah. And I'm Rory. Yeah. But only sometimes. Yeah.

Like only in some ways. Pretty much only when we have coffee, coffee, coffee. Exactly. So we're going to be talking today about unknown number, the high school catfish. Who? Honey. Okay, wait. Before you say anything else, there are going to be spoilers.

Spoilers. Spoilers. Spoilers. If you don't want to be spoiled, go watch it now. and then listen my brother in Christ. If you listen to it first, you will be spoiled, and that won't be our fault. It's not my fault. If past this point, you get a ma fucking spoiler.

Okay. Because we are going to talk about it and we are going to talk about all of it. All right. So let's get into it. Let's do this. And we're going to like do it so we don't reveal the twist until the twist is revealed. Exactly. Okay.

So we're in Beale City, Michigan. it's a it's like central Michigan it's a super tiny town it seems like everybody knows everybody it also seems like people are like lifelong residents yeah and um we so we watched the documentary and then we also found a cut article um written by lauren smiley that gave like a little more information and she was saying like even a lot of these parents are lifelong residents of feel and like if you're not a lifelong resident you do feel somewhat of an outsider that makes sense And isn't it like the school is like preschooled to 12th grade? Yeah.

All in the same building. Yes. Which to, it's my opinion. That's wily to me. Like that is horrifying to me. Bonkers. Yeah, I can't imagine my kindergartner in the same school as a 12th grader. That's just not for me.

But I guess each class of kids is 60 kids. Yeah. So they can all just fit in one building, which is nuts. No, it makes sense for what it is. Yeah, but I completely agree. with you. No, it is scary. So we start off the film and we started off with a threat. It says all the text with a literal code 10 threat, code red. All the texts in this film are real. It says. And I said, and you'll know, you'll find out why that's a threat very shortly. Pretty quickly.

So we're introduced to Lauren and Owen. They started dating when they were like 12 and I think they were probably like around like seventh grade. And it's funny because when I was reading the cut article, it turned out Owen's parents also started dating in seventh grade. That's crazy. Yeah. So their families ended up becoming good friends, especially their mom's Jill and Kendra. Jill is Owen's mom and Kendra's Lauren's mom. So they like, it all seemed really cute.

Yeah. You know? Cute small community. Yeah. Everyone supports each other. Exactly. So October 2020 rolls around and this girl Chloe Wilson's family always has this big Halloween party.

Sounds pretty sick. It sounds like a sick-ass Halloween party. There's like a haunted fucking corn maze or some shit outside. Yeah, it's moderately exclusive, evidently. Lauren was not invited, but Owen was. So Owen ends up inviting Lauren because they're together. Oh, okay. So right around this time, Lauren gets a text telling her that Owen doesn't like her.

He likes whoever this unknown textor is, and they are both D-T-F. down to fuck down to fuck i was gonna say for my for my homies out there who don't know what d tf is down to fuck yeah i only know what it is um because no not even that i didn't even realize that was in there i i only know it from um on southern charm uh shep said it about somebody and then immediately regretted it because that person was like go fuck yourself and i thought it was funny i don't i remember who that it was bailey oh And remember he was like, because like that was shitty to say. Yeah, it is shitty to say. Because he said it in like a jokey way and she was like, you're an asshole.

Yeah. And she was like, actually I don't want to fuck you. She was a queen. She was a queen. And she was, I think she was like the one that got away. I think she was too. Be a better person. Be better. But can we clarify to? This whole text comes through that's like, DTF motherfucker. These are like 13 year olds.

Not even yet. They're 12. They're 12. 12. Nobody's DTF at 12. Nobody should be saying DTF at 12. Oh, I find a text in my kid's phone someday that says an acronym that I have to Google, I'm sure, at that point. And it's anything like DTF?

It's going down for real. Lockdown. Lockdown in the home. All of a sudden it's like, burr, burr. It's like the purge. Let the bodies hit the floor. I'm like, well, you live here forever now. Honestly, valid.

So the text come in like that and they're pretty shitty. Yeah. Then they stop for a year. They literally stop for an entire year. And then all of a sudden, almost 365 days later, they start up again. And they start up and they go every single fucking day, multiple times a day, essentially like sunup to sundown. Oh yeah. And they said that the nighttime texts, because it was, it was.

It wasn't even sunup to sundown. It was like through the night. Past sundown. Oh, yeah. Because they said the night ones would get particularly like nasty, which is interesting. Yeah. Like that's, it's very interesting when you find out what's going on here. Yeah, definitely.

So some of the texts and these texts are being sent to Lauren and Owen at this point, both of them. Mostly to Lauren though. Some of them said effin trash bitch. Don't wear effin leggings. No one wants to see your anorexic ass. Like that? So upsetting. The anorexic thing is such a thing that gets set.

Like, it's such a weird insult. It is a weird insult. And it's like common. You know it's a common insult. I used to hear that all the time in middle school. Oh, I've been on both ends of that spectrum because I was a lot tinier when I was in middle school and I got anorexic then. And then I got like obese bitch when I was in high school.

I was like, awesome. Why are we commenting? First of all, because it's like they're all assuming and, you know, like that this is, because especially because this is somebody saying like Owen is down to fuck them that this is a girl. Yeah. And it's like, why are we commenting as women and girls on each other's bodies? And other women's bodies. Can we stop doing that?

Because also like growing up, I remember being like nine years old and becoming aware of my body and becoming aware that I didn't like it. And you absolutely should never be aware of that. It shouldn't even be a thought in your mind. But that's the thing, like young girls so early learn to be their biggest critics. Yeah. And then they grow up almost immediately becoming critics of each other. Yeah. Because they, you have to be so, like, I don't allow anybody to talk about weight.

No. Or bodies in that way around my kids. Because there are so many different reasons why bodies look the way they look and one is not better than the other for any reason. It's just not something you're healthy and your children. Doctors not concerned. Exactly. You look great. That's the thing.

I'm like, you go to your yearly physical. They told that you're healthy. They say thumbs up. And that's all that matters. You don't need to hear anything else about what's going on. I totally agree with that. And that's something I'm going to adopt when I have kids. It's no weight talk.

Yeah. I don't want any weight talk around them. And it's like, so for like, them be called like Anna. Because like, you know, like girls especially at her age, like seventh grade and shit. Yeah. Like 12 years old. You're like, every kid is like gangly at some point. And just trying to like, their body's just like growing into itself.

You know what I mean? Or they're holding on to like extra baby weight. And it's like, and their body's trying to grow out of that. Like everybody's in that weird in between area where you're either like weirdly gangly and like noodley and like nothing makes sense and you're just this like skeleton with like a little bit of flesh on it. Or you're just like trying to figure it out and your body's not growing fast enough to like catch up with the baby weight you had on.

Yeah, exactly. Like everybody's so different at that time. Like all weird. It's all weird. I feel like sixth, seventh and eighth grade especially are so hard. Yes. It's so hard. And obviously like so many other reasons. Because one thing that they, I forget who said it in the article. I think the principal said it eventually that this is like the age where you start to break off from your parents to. And you like really get involved in your friend group. And you like break away. Yeah. It's like an inside out. Yeah. Her family island gets smaller and her friend island. gets bigger and kind of hides the family island. And it does because it's like this age where you're trying to navigate all of this and people saying everything about you and you starting to like self-criticize.

And you're also at the same time kind of like taking away your own support system. You know? Like it's a weird time. Unknowingly. Exactly. Like pushing away your own support system. Right. So beyond that awful text message, there was worse ones even.

You are worthless and mean nothing. You never have. Get a fucking life out of here. Owen will never look at you again or talk to you. You fucked up his life so bad. His family fucking hates you for it. He will never in his life acknowledge you again. Get the fuck lost bitch.

He's fucking done with you. That is like so unhinged. Just like you don't mean anything. You're worthless. Get a life. His family hates you. Like even making her doubt her support system beyond her own family. Like when it that's diabolical.

for a kid to write to another kid, like a peer. Yeah. It's, it's a diabolical. And then, and I should mention, too. So, like, saying his family fucking hates you, so, like, his mom and dad were a big part of his life, but he also has a younger sister who was in the friend group, too.

Yeah. So Lauren's like, okay, does Macy hate me? Does this Macy? Like, does Jill hate me? Does Dave hate me? Who hates me? And why do they hate me? Why have I fucked up his life?

And now she's wearing, like, that adults don't like her? Yeah. now it's like going beyond like it's just like what like what is going on and also like what is this about like what what the hell it's wild so then the text start getting insanely sexual like this is where i lost my mind messages when you want i'm not going to like say all of them because i i'm not capable of saying some of the things that this person were horrifying the narrator in this was like it's not funny by any means but the narrator was cracking me up because it's like almost a robotic voice. It's got like a very like,

yeah, yeah, it's computer-esque. So it sounds like if you, if you've ever seen, and again, the, the, like, information being told is not funny. I'm saying the voice is funny. Agreed. If you've ever seen the office and there's an episode where Michael finds out that his computer can like talk to text and, or like text talk. Yeah, yeah. And he puts like eyes on it on the back of it and like, mouth and then has people come in the office and he just types things out and it's like and he'll be like it's just like hello pam you look particularly hot today it's just yeah that's what it sounds like

it felt like it's like that kind of weird robotic voice that just makes it so unhinged and like in the office apparently it's like you look hot today these text messages we're talking about like tits B. Jays. Cremin. Like literally. That's not even that. That is a verbatim. I didn't want to say any of that, especially the latter of that makes me want to jump into traffic. Like it's too much. It's all shit that if this, if this is like her peers, you're like, what the fuck? How is that coming out of a literal child's mouth? One, how do they know any of those words? Yeah. And to, like, like, Like, you're too young. You're too young to know all those words.

Like, what the fuck is going on? You're a baby. And it's like they're talking about like... Literal sex acts. Yeah, they're talking... They like mention like somebody's dick. Yeah. They mention like crazy.

They mention insanely explicit things. And you'll see it if you watch it. Yeah. And when we get to like where we're going to reveal who it is, we'll get further into how wild this is. Yeah. It's very hard. One of them, just to like one of the actual verbatimones, was he wants sex, BJs, and making out. And making out.

And that's the way the narrator says it. He's like, and making out. Yeah, he's like, making out. I'm like, damn. So once that started happening, because these are literal like 12, 13 year olds, maybe, I don't even think they're 14 at this point. The parents, including especially Jill and Kendra, because these are their kids being victimized, went to the school. And the superintendent ended up getting involved. And obviously so did the principal.

Now, basically what they did as a school, which it's interesting because at one point, Kendra, Lauren's mom was like, I didn't think they were doing enough. And I was like, it sounds like they were doing a lot because what they did was they set up surveillance so that any time a text came in, they could look at the cameras and see who, like what student was on their phone at that point in time. Yeah, I thought it was like pretty, especially this is a member, a small community and this is a small town. These are like, you know, like they don't have all this resource. sources to do shit. And they were really like doing like grunt work trying to like investigative work, trying to figure out who this could be. Well, and when you think about all the things that I'm sure school, like I don't know all the things the school administrator has to do throughout the day. I imagine it's a lot. But I would assume it's a lot and like to take the extra time to be able to do

this. Yeah, it sounds like they took it seriously, especially in the beginning. I think so. Yeah. So then people started to actually think that Lauren was sending the text to herself to get attention, which is really sad because she definitely wasn't. Yeah. But after some sit downs with the Adminette school, they ruled her out and they also ruled Owen out. I'm not exactly sure how they did it, but I think something with the surveillance.

Yeah. So you said something fucking hilarious at this point because I think the principal was like, there's a lot of kids in this school. Like you can't rule anyone out and that's why we had to do the surveillance. And I was like, and I stand by it. I feel like we can pretty like confidently

rule out the preschoolers. Yeah, definitely the preschool. I think I was dying. She could feel good about that. Elena goes, I don't know. I feel like we could probably rule out the preschoolers. I feel like they're not involved. She was like, I don't know. Who am I to say? Yeah, like I feel like I feel confident in that. Like that's just me. I feel like even the kindergarters, we can probably, you know, rule them right out. Yeah, you get to first grade. You get to first grade and things get really wily now. So I don't really know. They have like Apple watches and shit. But preschool and kindergarten, I think we're saying. We've cut out a little portion of the community. I think so.

Yeah. Yeah. And you know, less to watch. It's true. So once they cut out the kindergartners and the preschoolers, they kept their eye on everyone else. And at the same time, Jill and Kendra were getting together on their own a lot to talk about the text messages because Lauren's getting her own set. Owen's getting his own set. Then they're probably getting like group messages.

So they're comparing notes, basically. And probably feeling like, thank goodness they have somebody they can go to. to talk about it. Misery with. Like it's not just their kid that's going through it. Like, because I imagine if this was just happening to your child, you must feel so fucking isolated and alone. Absolutely.

And just wanting help figuring out what to do. So like to have that. Like you don't want it to be happening to both your kids, but like, at least you can have someone to leave on. Try to figure this out with. Right. So they went together to talk to the principal themselves once they, they were like, can you do more?

And he was like, I really can't. I suggest you change their numbers. the texter something like okay when we were watching this because ash had already watched it and then watched it with me for the first time me watching it for the first time i literally said i was like i i knew that who had done this so i immediately like checked my own question basically yeah but i was like i why aren't they just changing the numbers like right like shut down that line get a new number give them a new phone or, I mean, now especially, little kids, you can get them like phones that are just

from calling and texting people you approve and that you can approve all the apps and all that stuff. And it's like, maybe you have to do that for a little while. Yeah. Just to like see how it stops and see if you can figure out something via that. Yeah. And while you're figuring it out, you hang on to those other phones. So your kids don't let anybody know except they're like close friends who has that new number.

And then see if somebody infiltrates. Smart. Because if they're only telling their close friends who those numbers are and you're approving them, boom. It's got to be one of the close friends. And then you hold on to those other phones and you can start doing some investigation. It could have worked. I was a little confused why that didn't happen. Well, so basically they said blocking the number didn't work because the texter was using one of those like random number generators.

I think it was pinger. Which should absolutely be outlawed. Yeah, there's no reason to ever disguise your phone number. No. Why does that exist? Nope. No, no, no, no. Yeah.

So they couldn't block it because another text would just come in. Whoever was doing this had the number, and that's all they needed, because they could just get phone number after phone number to continue texting. And they also said they didn't want to get their kids new phones because they wanted to get to the bottom of who this was, which I do understand because, and Jill said it, Owen's mom, she was saying like, this could have been somebody that we were letting into our lives because this community is so small. And obviously this person knew a lot about our kids, knew, like, where they were at what time, what they were wearing sometimes. So we didn't want to continue inviting somebody like that into our home. And if we had gotten them new phones and, like, that person didn't end up getting those numbers, we would never know who that was. And we would keep spending time with them, you know. Yeah.

And I totally get that. So I did understand that piece of it. But that's why the phones that you only approve the numbers would have worked. It's true. It's true. So Lauren and Owen, like, they're very far into this because this was, I think ultimately this went on for like, it was 20 months, right? Almost two years. So like, like a good amount of the, of the way into this all happening. Lauren and Owen started fighting with each other because this caller would be like, oh, like he wants me. He hung out with me. Me and him went to a hotel this weekend. His family likes me. So Lauren's going to Owen and being like who were. Were you hanging out? with this girl? Right. Like where you hang out with this person? And Owen's like, no. But so they started fighting because of all the tension and they ended up breaking up. And Owen thought that maybe

if they broke up, the messages would stop and Lauren would not, you know, be going through what she was going through anymore. He could end what he was going through. And then he said like, maybe, you know, try again someday. Which was so sweet. Because I'm like, you little beans. I know. Little 13 year olds. You really liked each other. They did. They were so cute together. But the thing was after they up the messages got a million times worse. Because now the bullies won. You never want to give them the prize. So they started telling Lauren to kill herself. This is where it just like, multiple times a day texting her how worthless she was, how she should just kill herself because Owen didn't like her and didn't want to be with her anymore. How she, they wrote hashtag bang, bang,

do it now. Literally kill yourself now, bitch. Yep. Hashtag bang, bang. Yep. Like, how that, and the worst part is, nobody can do anything. No.

Because they can't figure out who this is. So this person's literally texting death threats. Mm-hmm. And they'd just get away with it. Yep. And they're also, it seemed like they were stalking her at this point, too. Because like I said before, like, whoever this was knew where they were at certain points in time.

And then, like, they knew how Lauren. was doing in basketball games and they were trying to tear her confidence down and her dad said that she's an incredible athlete like I think she played basketball and either softball or baseball yeah who knows what else but she was really talented like a great athlete yeah and this whoever this person was knew that and they were trying to break that confidence so like if she didn't get a ton of points in a basketball game they'd be like wow like how embarrassing you suck you suck kill yourself quit basketball and they knew how many points you'd get They knew specifically how many points.

Like what that one game they said like two points. Ha ha ha, you suck. Yep. So that is when Sheriff Mike Maine got involved. Everybody started getting very worried about the trauma surrounding all of this. I also think that I read in the cut article that Jill herself had read an article or like saw news about somebody bringing a gun to school in another community. And she was like, what if all of this? They get pushed that far.

Exactly. Pushes them that far. So that's when the sheriff got involved. Because they were also writing shit like, we're going to break you. Oh, yeah. Like, we won't stop till we break you. Yeah. It's like, what the fuck?

And also at that point, they're like, okay, is this a group of people? And how do we figure out who this is all coming from? And I also understand, like, it was coming from multiple different numbers, too. So, yeah. Sheriff Mike Mayne starts looking at this one particular girl, Chloe. Chloe, remember, she's the one who her family has like the big Halloween party. Yeah. She had somewhat of a reputation for being a bully at the school.

Like administrators seemed to have talked to her a few times. Her parents got called in and like there was just incidents. Yeah. And the reason she specifically got called in for this is because the textor said something about how they had the most points in the game. And when they looked at the points and on the scorecard, it was Chloe who had the most. And Kendra helped them out with that. Kendra helped them out with that.

Lauren's mom because she's the scorekeeper. And at one point she'd also been the girl's coach. Yeah. Basketball coach. And also it was Chloe's Halloween party where this all started. And Lauren originally hadn't been invited and like didn't want to go. So they kind of felt like they had a hot lead here. Well, and I think like her and Owen were.

Her and Owen were like really good friends. And they had like crushes on each other. So there was just a, and I think there was just like never a great relationship between Chloe and because of that like lingering what's going on here kind of thing. Basically at this point in time, all roads were leading to Chloe Wilson. And I do kind of get why. You get why they went down that road. So Chloe's friends' moms were looking at their phones because they're like,

is this group of Chloe's friends doing this? Like are they all doing it together? Parents were reaching out to other parents, to the school, to the coaches. Everyone is turning on everyone in Beale, Michigan at this point. The parents are turning on each other. The kids are turning on each other. Yeah. All the girls on the basketball team are fighting. Parents were trying to get in to talk to the kids. But the principal and the superintendent are like, we can't have an angry mom of mom of parents like hunting the kids down, you know. Yeah. And Chloe's, you know, like these kids are getting interrogated by police at school all year. Actual police officers. And the other thing was another reason why they were looking at Chloe is because the texter or texter were saying that they had connections. to the cops and that's why they were never going to get caught and Chloe's dad as Sophie put

it was a police. She was a police. He was a police officer. So things started looking even more like Chloe when her family took a trip to Florida and the area code of the texts that were coming in started coming from a Florida area code. Now on top of that too in the cut article, Lauren the author of the article had written that a Snapchat account had even been made in Chloe's name. And Chloe was like, that's not my account and I'm not sending those messages. And like showed that wasn't. And she showed her dad and also was like, this is how easy it is to make an account and say it's me. So her parents believed her the whole time. Of course. But at that point, it also seemed like they didn't really have any other option to prove that it wasn't their daughter than to have her phone dubbed with the police.

which that is such an, like obviously it took a long, like road to get there. But I do feel for- And kudos to them for actually doing that, like cooperating in that way. Kudos to them because that's such an invasion of privacy. That is everything on your phone, every picture, every text, every file. Yep. I don't know if it even goes into like every website you've ever been to. Probably.

Like, it's everything you've ever done on your phone. Yeah. And it's like, that's a lot. And especially if you, I mean, one of the main things you should be. teaching your kid is that they have a right to privacy and that that privacy should be respected. Yeah. And that respect breeds because of privacy being respected. And it's like, and now you're kind of being like, I'm sorry, we don't have any other choice. Sorry, we have to let strangers invade your privacy. Like, that sucks. It does. Well, they dubbed Chloe's phone and it proved that she wasn't

doing anything at all. So she'd been literally? She'd been framed. Like framed for this. And then somehow whoever was sending the text messages didn't realize that Chloe's phone had been dubbed and it proved that she wasn't doing anything because they kept trying to make it seem like they were Chloe even after the phone was dubbed. They would send all kinds of messages basically like they would send pictures of Owen and Chloe to mock Lauren and say like oh he's hanging out with us, not you. Yeah. That kind of thing.

Can you imagine how Chloe felt? Yeah, she's like, I'm not doing this. One, being like railroaded for an entire year of her high school career and like treated like a villain. And then two, she's sitting there going, who the fuck is this person that's trying to frame me? Yeah. Like that would be terrifying. I'd be like, why are they doing this to me now? It's like a pretty little liar's episode.

Yeah, it's like really scary. It is. That would freak me out. Absolutely. So then around Christmas time, everybody ended up getting a text about Owen's phone case. and the picture his family realized had been taken at a Christmas family party where they only had family in their house and nobody else. Yeah. So that's when they were like, okay, this has to be somebody in our family.

That was in our house that day. That was in our house that day. So they started looking at Owen's cousin, Adriana, who also went to school with everybody else. Adriana broke my heart. Adriana seemed like the sweetest bean. I felt so awful. she got she like she was the next person basically to get railroaded yeah everyone thought that it could have been her and especially thought that it was maybe her because she and chloe didn't really get along

she had felt before in the past like chloe had kind of bullied her Chloe said she didn't bully her it was like this whole back and forth thing high school is awful for everybody involved high school sucks ass yeah i would never do it again middle school and high school suck ass it's awful so they pull her in and she's trying to prove to them that she didn't do anything she ends up getting checked out. But then once her story checks out, she got a text from one of the random numbers asking her for help to terrorize Lauren again and protect Owen, like get, get Lauren away from Owen, even though they were already broken up. Like, what the fuck? And Adriana starts freaking up because she's been cleared at this point, but now she's got a text from the number. So she started

like bawling her eyes out. And this poor girl has like PTSD now. Yeah. She said she'll pass a cop and she like doesn't trust them anymore. Yeah. Because she felt like she couldn't prove to them that she wasn't doing this. Which is so, like the far reaching effects that this had on so many kids and so many families, especially because of how small and tight knit of a community this is, like it would be, it would do this kind of damage even in like a bigger community. Oh yes. It's just so much, it was so much easier because it was such a tight knit community. And now it also has starting to infiltrate people's family dynamics. Apparently, Kendra, Lauren's mom and Lauren's father, Sean, were fighting all the time. Sean said the tension in the house was awful.

It was like Kendra saying like she was handling it. Sean was saying like, what is being done? Because it's still going on. Lauren's sobbing every morning, not wanting to go to school because like the call the texter would berate her about like outfit she was wearing. She could never wear the right thing. Like just awful. I can't imagine how she lived through. of this all. That was my bullies thing in middle school. If you're listening, hey, what's up? You remember. It was always what

I, it was my clothing a lot of the time in my hair. And they would like leave handwritten, because it was like back in, you know, the Pioneer days. So they would leave they would leave like handwritten notes in the bathroom. And then they would find them for me or direct me to

them like they were helping me. And it would be this like awful letter that was like talking about how shitty I dress and my hair's gross and all that. So it's like that, that's, tail is old as time. Oh yeah. Especially with unfortunately girl on girl bullying.

It's to do that kind of shit because it's the stuff that's going to get you the most because every day you're going to wake up, you're going to put you're going to rip through your closet. And do your absolute best. You're going to put on a hundred different outfits and each time you're going to say, what are they going to say about this one? How are they going to make me feel like shit today about this one? Yep. It's crazy.

It is. It's so sad. I don't understand. I just don't understand doing that to somebody else. I don't understand. It's like, yeah, I don't get it. It's fucked up. So a year and a half has gone by at this point of them just, whoever this caller or text her is, just terrorizing everyone in this town, but specifically Lauren and Owen.

And so Lauren's getting all these text messages telling her to kill herself, telling her like all the things we've been talking about just bullying her beyond belief. this crazy sexually explicit shit too. And that's the thing I was just going to say exactly. And Owen is experiencing these text messages detailing graphic sex acts. So graphic that like the superintendent of the school literally says he was like, I'm a grown ass man and like that kind of shit was making me uncomfortable. Like if like another adult said that to me. Like it's, it is fucking crazy.

It's beyond. When Drew and I, Drew and I watched this together the first time, I. saw it and I we literally had to pause halfway through because it was so shocking. So uncomfortable. I was like I like need a second hold on. And it's like I don't think enough emphasis emphasis and we'll talk about more of that later but I don't think enough emphasis either in the documentary was put on how to it was obviously traumatizing for Lauren what was being said to her but what was being said to Owen like they weren't saying like you know you suck and everyone hate you to Owen. They were literally

sexually assaulting him via words. Absolutely. They were literally sexual harassing. Like he was being sexually harassed as a child. And it's like, and the shit that was being said to him will fuck you up for a long time. Like he, that's going to like stay with him. Oh, absolutely. And it's like, I don't think enough was put on that, like how uncomfortable he probably felt and how like he probably had some kind of like weird like, because that shit will make you feel like shame for no reason. Absolutely it will. Like I feel for him like that as well. Well, and then going into how we fucking feel for this poor kid. Yeah. So a year and a half into this,

the sheriff got the FBI involved because the sheriff went as far as he could, he said. Yeah. And the FBI needed to get involved to kind of do like the IP tracking and all that. Yeah. But obviously you don't just like beep and boop on doing computer and figure that out in one day. It takes time. No. So while they were working on their investigation, Owen started dating this girl from another town. and her mom started getting messages trying to break Owen and this girl up. So whoever this called. This girl from another town's mom. Yeah.

And she was getting like multiple text messages. I think something happened like where they knew what she was posting on Facebook, like that kind of thing. And Owen is sitting here being like, I just can't date anybody. No. He ended up breaking up. Like they ended up just like going their separate ways because he didn't want this girl

to experience what Lauren had gone. And like this girl was freaking out, like, scared, being like, what the hell's going on right now? And Owen was trying to be like, I don't know who it is. I don't know who it is. And I don't want this to happen to you. Yeah. And also probably sitting there and being like, okay, am I ever going to be able to have a relationship with anybody? Or they just going to follow me forever? Or that's the thing. Yeah. I can't imagine how claustrophobic and like controlled you would feel. Yeah, and totally helpless. Well, and that's the thing. So he started, I'm sure, feeling out of control. And his mom, Jill said, like during sports games like basketball especially she saw him starting to get like extra

aggressive like he was letting it out on the field exactly because it was somewhere where he could be a little more aggressive without actually hurting somebody but she was probably worried about that but she was and I at one point in the cut article oh it destroyed this part destroyed me the bullying thing yeah I haven't talked about the bullying a lot lately but like I used to talk about it all the time and apparently piss some people off I don't know why but but But when I experienced it in middle school, I was insufferable at home. I got in fights with my parents all the time just because I was so upset and so frustrated and so, like, just sad all the time and also angry that I would end up, like, exploding

on them just because I was under so much stress and pressure. And that's exactly what happened. Reading that, I was like, whoa. Because I was like, I can feel that feeling he's feeling that a parent. Apparently Owen got really upset one night, according to the article, and had said, like, yelled at Jill, his mother saying, like, you're my mother, it's your job to, like, you should be able to stop this bullying. I can't imagine. I can't imagine how she must have felt because I'm sure all, and he knew in his heart of hearts all she wanted to do is stop that. Absolutely.

He didn't say that to hurt her. He said it because he was exploding on the inside. That's the thing. It's a pressure cooker and at some point you do explode. And that must have been fucking awful for him and for her. Like I can't imagine how. It's like I know how he felt in that moment. And now as a mother, I can't fucking fathom how she felt in that moment.

Because if one of my kids looked at me and said, like, why can't you make it stop? You should be able to make this stop. You're my mother. I would just take out a katana and stab me through the chest. Like that would literally annihilate me. Well, that would annihilate me. This is my opinion.

But I do think Jill was ultimately really the one who got this to stop because she basically told the sheriff like, I'm done here. And if you don't don't, if you don't do more, I'm going to the papers. Yeah. And I was like, good for you. So she did the work to get something done. Like I give Jill, Jill as a mama bear. You can tell that she was just doing whatever she could. Mm-hmm.

So the FBI agent, Bradley P. started doing his thing. He's beeping and boop and it's taken a while. But he finally finds out that these texts are coming, like we said before, from this app called Pinger, which you could use to disguise a phone number. And as we said, no app like that should exist. No. But what is great is that the FBI can send a warrant to a place like that. Yeah. To get IP addresses. So he got all these warrants served at like Verizon, Pinger, all these different places to really, you know, put the puzzle pieces together. And we're about to tell you who it was. Finally, so we can really just start ripping.

I need you all ready. We're going to take a collective deep breath together. If you don't know who this is, you're about to get your shit rocked. Ready? In through the nose. Out through the mouth. For a year and a half, these text messages were coming from Lauren's mother, Kendra. I need you to really take that in.

Starting with the first text that said DTF, 212 year olds, that Owen was DTF. Now, according to Ms. Kendra, those original texts did not come from her. And we'll get there. Which, that's my opinion. I don't believe it. Personally, I don't believe that. No. And I don't think a lot of people believe that.

So we'll get there in a minute. So they find out that it's Lauren's mom. And literally everybody is like, no, that's not. possible. I should say mostly everybody. A mother could not do that to their child. No. And that was everybody's thought. A mom could never do that to their child. And I still think that. A mother could not do that to her child. That's not a mama. Yeah. So the sheriff goes to confront her and she denies it for about 3.2 seconds. It's on body cam footage, by the way, in the documentary. It's the wildest shit you'll ever see. And you are going to be fucking seething. She barely did

it. They basically say like, yeah, so it's coming from your phone, Kendra. And she's like, no, that can't be. She literally goes, no, no, no. Not like, and like you were saying, if you were ever accused of this and you were not guilty, you'd be like, oh my God, no, like, look through my phone right now. It's not me. I would never do that. What the fuck? Like, oh my God. You would be losing your mind and being like, wait, how is that possible? Like, I'm not, like, you'd be like, holy shit, like, I'll do whatever it is to prove that I didn't do this. I can't believe that you're telling me this right now. She's like, no.

And then he says, what was it, Kendra, like some kind of infatuation with Owen? And she goes, no, nothing like that. And the way she says it is like, no, nothing like that. Like, just so casual. If somebody's asking you if you haven't as like a, I don't know how old she is, but I'm assuming like. A grown ass woman. Yeah, I was going to say, I won't even assume her age here. But above, above the age of 18, if somebody's asking you, if you have an infatio,

With a child. Boy who was 12 to 14 years old when you sent these text messages or 12 to 13 and a half, whatever. You would emphatically scream from the rooftop that you don't have any kind of infatuation with this child. But Kendra couldn't because you look at those motherfucking text messages where she's talking about his private life and private body parts. Private body parts. everybody and her body parts, she can't deny that. No. You can't deny that there's not some kind of infatuation there.

Remember some of the things we mentioned? She wrote to a 12-year-old boy. Yup. Like a boy, a baby, a child. Barely past single-digit age. Like what the fuck is wrong with you, lady? I don't know. Like, I don't know how anyone in, like, she, there's no way she lives there anymore.

Because I feel like she would literally be, like, hunted and pitchforked out of there. Yeah, like, she can't live there. You know, like, Beauty and the Beast when they're going to, like, take down the beast. Yeah. And they all have, like, the, like, the flaming throwers and, like, fucking, not flame throws, but, like, flaming torches. But when they pulled up with Zookas and Beauty at the Beast? Listen, I probably, I probably, in this case. Yeah.

Honey. Like, I don't. There wouldn't be a safe. quarter on the earth. I hear, here I, like Jill, Owen's mom, I bow down. If I was Owen's mom,

I'm not kidding you. Not a safe place on Earth. Not a safe place. You'd have to move to Jupiter to get away from me. Yeah. Like you just would. Yeah. And even then I'd probably figure out a way to Jupiter. Pick one of the moons or something. I'd probably go there too. And I'll take the time to search all of them.

Yep. Like that's, I'll go to another universe. The shit she said to. her child, her young child is unforgivable. It is fucking disgusting. Yeah. And it's, and in my opinion, Kendra is a sack of shit. Yeah. And there is something deeply disturbed there.

Deeply. And deeply dangerous. Absolutely very. Because the shit she said to a child should not be taken lightly. She should be on a list in my opinion. Like that is, that's the part of this. And I mentioned it a little bit before. That's the part of the documentary that I don't think.

I think they could have done a two-part documentary. Totally. One on how she affected Lauren and two, how she affected Owen. Yeah. And how fucked up it is that, because like we'll get even more into the Lauren's stuff. But the Owen stuff is a different kind of fucked up. It really is. And it's something that really should have been taken more seriously in that documentary and touched upon more.

Yeah. So the crazy thing about this, too, to me, is that she basically spent less time in prison, I think, than she got 19 months in prison. The text went on longer than that. The text went on at least 20 months. Yeah. And during that time, she couldn't speak to any of the victims involved, which meant that she couldn't speak to her daughter. And the sad thing, in my opinion, is that, like, that was hard for Lauren. Yeah. Because in that, in that police, like, footage can't like in that police body footage you can tell at least i think that Lauren's in shock oh i think she's purely that is straight up shock because even she disassociated out of this planet that's the thing she looked to me at least like she was fully disassociating even like Kendra is literally like grabbing her trying to comfort her grabbing her hand like like basically like hugging her while she's sitting down, like stroking her head, I'd be like, don't fucking touch me, but also you're the person that I've gone to for comfort my whole life.

And you're the person I've gone to for comfort throughout this whole ordeal. That's the thing. So it's like, and now all of a sudden, another development has come that I would come to you for comfort for, but it's you. Yeah. Like, how do you reconcile that? She's still a young girl. And now, that's, come on. Like, that is crazy. It turned out, by the way, too, that Kendra was lying to everybody, it seems. Because, so they called, they were worried, obviously, about, like, when the sheriff was there, he was like, I can't just, like, leave you too now that I've outed your mom as the person who's been ruining your life and telling you to kill yourself for the past however many.

Can I say one thing, too? Yeah. That rubbed me the wrong way about that whole thing. Yeah. They never should have told Lauren in front of her mother. I feel that way, too. Because she was not allowed to have a genuine reaction. I feel that way, too.

She should have been taken into a separate room. or something like that. But I don't know what the logistics are there. Like if they needed Kendra's permission to do that. Because she's a minor. Because she's a minor, exactly. But it's like, I don't know. It didn't seem to me like there was a lot of thought put in to delivering the message.

Like maybe perhaps I'm missing a part of the puzzle and I won't claim that I know everything here. That like maybe they did ask Kendra. Like we would like to tell her, talk to her alone and Kendra said no. Yeah. And again, she's a minor. So I don't know how that works. I feel like if the mom says no, the parents. says no, then that's just the way it goes.

I mean, the only other thing I could think that you could do was to say, you need to call your husband and tell him that he needs to get home and ask him and be like, okay, this is what happened, tell him the whole thing outside, and then be like, and we would like to tell your daughter or you and I can tell your daughter alone without her present. Because that's the thing. I just felt like having Kendra in the room did not allow Lauren to actually have any reaction. No. And she probably didn't. I mean, I don't know how she felt. Yeah. Because obviously it's very clear in the documentary that she still loves her mother. And like she, she's a strong fucking girl. One, for getting through all of this and two, being able to move on from this and like maintain a relationship or like some kind of relationship with her mom. And just like maintain like her. Kindness.

Because that is something Owen said was what drew him to Lauren was she was supremely kind. Yeah. So that is like one of her whole. marks. But it's like she should have, I just feel like maybe in that moment she probably didn't want to be comforted by her mom. And like she should have had that option. Yeah. That's the thing. She didn't need to be like instantly grabbed at and touched. Her mom was like grabbing her hand and like Lauren's just kind of like limply allowing her to. And it's like it's just fucked up. It was a fucked up situation. I was like, I wanted somebody to like remove Kendra from the room because I was like she needs to be able to like process this for a second. No, that's the thing.

I don't think she got any time to process it. No. And any time to process that for over a year, her mom was sending her boyfriend and her explicit sexual messages, literally saying like he doesn't like you need like basically. I think that let me find one that I wrote down. It was like. There were times when she was like,

you won't sleep with him. That's the one I was trying to find. But I'll sleep with him. Like you're not sleeping with him. You're not giving him. blow jobs. That's why he's breaking out with you. And I was like, you're talking to your child. This is a quote. Maybe you shouldn't have picked

cross country over him. You proved he isn't important to you. We were there, though. You don't get with him in bed. You don't sneak out with him. You fucking dress awful. Ain't no guy want that. That's her mother talking to her. A child. Yep. Like, that's beyond.

I can't comprehend it. I can't. Nothing about my brain can't compute. this in any way, shape or form. And her excuses to me, I don't, I'm not saying shit didn't happen to her. I'm not saying that Kendra doesn't have trauma, but to be quite honest, I don't give a fuck about what happened to her

because she used it as an excuse to literally inflict trauma upon two children, including her own. More than two children. Exactly. More than two children. And it's like, I'm sorry, having trauma doesn't give you a fucking free pass to be a goddamn

tornado in everybody's life. It just doesn't. So many people... Go to fucking therapy. Right. So many people unfortunately do experience trauma. That's unfortunately just the way that our world... That's the thing.

It's just the way our world works. It's awful. But I feel like this is my opinion, but like nine out of ten people you talk to have experienced some kind of pretty awful fucking trauma. Yeah. Not everybody texts their daughter from an anonymous number telling her to go kill herself and, like, text her boyfriend about explicit things about his body. Exactly.

Because they had trauma. I'm sorry. That doesn't give you a fucking pass and it doesn't make me feel bad. I feel bad for what happened to you when you were younger, 100%. I don't feel bad for you now that you did this. No. Like, no. No.

No. No. Period. No. So also, she literally compares this to driving drunk. She is so fucking callous at one point in the documentary. She's like, everybody has broken the law at some point. people probably have driven drunk before and not got caught.

The only difference is that I got caught. Ah, babe, no. No. To compare sending sexually explicit text to a 12-year-old boy as a grown adult to someone having a DUI beyond. My brain said no. That's comparing. No. That's comparing a zebra to a Clementine.

Literally. That's how insanely. They don't exist in the same. The differences between them. Yeah, you can't, you can't compare those two things. And she's just like whatever. She's like, everyone's broken the law. And it's like, first of all, no.

And second of all, I've never broken the law like that, babe. Babe. No. No. No. And it's also like, we're not just talking about breaking the law. Yeah, that's a massive part of this. You fucking told your.

daughter to kill herself hashtag bang bang bang do it now do it now bitch kill yourself now bitch and she also says because they were like what the fuck is wrong with you like why did you say that and they said and they said did you think she like were you ever worried that she was going to kill herself and she had to think about it for a second she was like no oh okay and also she it's like the anorexic stuff, she literally admits that that was an insecurity. She said Lauren, because she knows she has a small frame and sometimes it can be an insecurity for her. And so her mother prayed on that? Here's the thing, too. First, she says that. And then, and it's so funny, you had the exact same reaction that I did when I watched it the first time.

And then when I watched it with you, you said it. They gave her such an out for that because they were like, were you talking to yourself when you were sending those messages? No. Yeah. That interviewer I was literally like shut the fuck up. I was like, don't give her a pass like that. Don't make her a victim. And she was like, maybe I was. Maybe I was. I fell into that anorexic category too because I was so small.

And it's like, first of all, can we stop throwing around the usage of anorexic? Like, it's just like, carbox isn't just like you're small. Yeah, it's like thin does not mean anorexic. Way beyond that. So, you know, there's that. And it's like, too. Also, like, there was that whole thing where they, you know, Kendra as this.

like phantom, like, peer of her daughter would say, like, call her like a J.V. Ho. Yeah. And like, you're not good enough for varsity because she didn't make it on the varsity team. As someone who played, and it sounds like, you know, as someone who played sports in school. And like sports meant a lot to you. It did. It meant a lot to Lauren. And I remember sophomore year, I didn't make it on varsity for softball.

And I was fucking devastated. It was a huge moment in my life. It shattered my confidence. I was so upset. And it's like my mother heard all of that. She was there when I was crying about it and saying, I'm not good at this and I should just quit and why am I even doing it. Her mother also heard that.

I'm sure because Lauren, sports was everything to her. So for her to use, even that, that little like JV. Ho, you're not good enough for varsity, she probably comforted her through not getting on varsity. and then to pull that out and use it on her, I'm sorry, Kendra's fucking diabolical. She is diabolical. That is diabolical behavior. Because not only that, like there were text messages that said things like that.

There were also pictures of Lauren and Owen together with Lauren's face crossed out. And then words all over the picture saying slug, j-ve-ho, slug, not, like, worthless, like, nobody will miss you. Nobody will miss you. All these fucking awful things. Writing J.V. Ho alone would have been awful. Like, and again, remember, this is her mother. Her mother. I need, I can't stress this enough.

Her mother brought up a picture of her own baby girl. Her only. Her only baby girl. And wrote that shit over her fucking face. And that? I can't. reconcile that in my mind and for her to sit there and be like you know if i could go back and change it no you wouldn't no no you wouldn't also because you did it for two years again i can't stress enough

that same woman who brought up the picture of her baby's face crossed it out wrote all those things told her to kill herself was texting her boyfriend explicit acts then had the fucking gall in that documentary to sit there and talk about hearing Lauren's heartbeat for the first time my god and how she realized in that moment that like you know You think you can love this baby so much and then you realize that like you have more love than you ever. You don't love. That's not love. You don't treat someone you love that.

No. And that is your baby. You're supposed to keep them safe. And you're praying on her insecurities and foster. You're nurturing them. Creating them. She nurtured those insecurities that she had and made them bigger. Mm-hmm.

Because no matter what after this, not only did she, did Lauren think for abuse? a period of time that her peers were feeding on those insecurities. And she realized. Now she's sitting there going, holy shit, my own mother said that shit to me. That won't go away any time soon. That is a... The damage is lasting there. That is a mind fuck.

Yeah. That is the mind fuck of a century. And for Kendra to sit there and act like she is any sort of victim, I was fucking seething. I am still seething. just thinking about her fucking face sitting there, trying to act like she's the victim in any of this. She also said, and this makes no sense.

So remember I said, I think somewhere in this, that she claims that she didn't send those original text messages. Like when they started around that Halloween party, she said that she didn't send those. And that the reason why she eventually started sending the text messages was to get to the bottom of who sent the original ones. Uh, one, that makes no sense. Two, what did talking about explicit sex acts have to do with getting to the bottom of it? And three, what would, um, telling your daughter to kill herself? How is that going to help you uncover the real villain here? And then at one point, she said, I think it was my escape. When she said those words. Telling your daughter to kill herself was your escape. Prison. I don't think that was touched upon enough in that documentary, that part of it. No. So here's the thing. It basically ends by saying that like Lauren, I think Lauren basically didn't get to talk to her mom during the trial. But then she and she couldn't see her while she was in prison, but they exchanged emails. Yeah. The emails are over the top on Kendra side of things. In my opinion, she's way too much. Yeah. A lot of people like including professionals, nobody can like diagnose her without her being their client, whatever. But a lot of people believe that this is a case of Munchausen, like digital Munchausen. Which it appears to it.

at least resemble that. I think it's very... I think there's even deeper shit, though. I do, too. To be quite honest. I don't even think it ends there. So here's the thing. So that's basically like how the documentary ends.

And like Lauren says like she hopes they can repair their relationship and she hopes her mom gets the help she needs. And remember, I don't know if we totally touched upon it before, but like that she was lying about having a job for a year. Oh my God. We forgot to touch on that. Yeah. When the dad shows up. Yeah. When they actually, I feel her dad's name is Sean.

I feel hard. for this man as well. He thought she had a job for the entire time she was doing this, and it turned out she didn't. She got fired for, you know, texting at work. And allegedly, according to the article. They literally put her on a plan, like a performance plan, because she was spending too much time on outside things.

According to the article. According to the article. And then, like, she decided to leave. She quit and never told him and just, they lost houses. like she was claiming to be working and also like so he he was lied to for the full two years about all of this including

the fact that she was bringing money and like wasn't because she also had control of the finances and when they when he gets there he's like well he's like did you did you get her phones did you look at her phones and the sheriff is like phones she gave us one because when they said do you have anything else she said I have a laptop

and he was like oh no she's got a couple of phones yeah and then when they go in there and ask her for them she acts first of all she's shocked that they know about that second phone which i was like you're a fucking diabolical and she tries to say like no there's just like yeah no i don't know and then she he's like one of the other sheriff is literally like it's fine i'll just tear this fucking house apart like and you can tell he's like give me a reason yeah like let's go i knew everything i knew going into that i wouldn't have even given her the opportunity i just rip the house apart looking for it's like i'll rip the house apart and she's like it's outside

where she was sitting. She was outside. And Lauren just out like swimming. So I'm like, was your daughter? What were you sending to her out there? Was your daughter like enjoying her late day swimming and you're sitting there texting her horrible things? Yeah. So she wasn't working all day and would just text Owen and Kendra or in Lauren all day.

And all night. And they were to, in the article, it actually says that somebody in town saw. her parked in like a church parking lot one day with her head down the middle of the day like with her head down and like when she looked up and was like oh like waved it was owen's father i was gonna say because it was jill later who like said that kendra brought it up later out of nowhere and was like oh he saw me it must have been like funny i'd spilled coffee on my lap and i was trying to like wipe it off and she was like why did she bring that up and it was like that was a weird thing to bring out and it's like, so this lady for almost two years was lying to her entire family, putting her entire

family at risk financially, emotionally, everything, and was spending her entire day ruthlessly texting nasty ass shit and death threats to her child and her child's then ex-boyfriend. Yep. And sexually sitting, God knows where. In the middle of the day, texting sexually explicit shit to a 12 and 13 and 14 year old boy. Like, what the fuck? And also, potentially creating these other, like, the documentary never touched on that in the article, like, very briefly touches on it, but I don't know how it all worked. But could have created those accounts that were, like, fakes of Chloe sending messages.

Yeah. Like, what the fuck? Are you kidding me? Like what is it? And it sounds like, according to the article, that like there was always like a very big focus on Owen. Yeah. In that family. Like that like from Kendra. Yeah. So this is a direct quote from the article. And they this was the article was written before the documentary came out. So they refer to Lauren as Ashley. Because they, she was still a minor at the time. So it said this is direct from the article. After Ashley started dating Owen, her mother came along too. At every opportunity, Kendra would ask them to wrap their arms. arms around each other for a photo, which Ashley would turn into presents for Owen, like a personalized

phone case. When they hung out at the Lakari's, Kendra would chime in. Why don't you jump on the trampoline? Take a spin in Ashley's Ranger utility vehicle. Kendra talked about the kids, Jill says, quote, like they were going to be together forever. Once a friend Paige saw Kendra take Ashley's phone, read her daughter's text with Owen. Then, as Ashley, Kendra typed out a reply, I love you. And Jill says it. And again, it's not touched, it's so briefly touched on in this article, but, sorry, in this, in the documentary. The article. Which I imagine they needed to leave things vague to get Kendra to agree to participate in this documentary, because I'm still shocked they did.

It was one of those things where like, I was like, how did this not turn into like we reached out to Kendra for a comment and she has never replied to us? That way, Netflix, when she, when she was like, yeah, totally. you know they were like cameras cameras cameras cameras like they were literally like get the car like holy shit get her to sign the thing it's like in bravo and they're like i need andy in a camera now somebody like repels from the ceiling with the with the waiver for her to sign and it's just like sign here sign here she's like okay yeah but at the same time who knows because in the documentary her cousin says she this is her cousin saying she loves attention she said if you were if kendra was here right now when you were talking to me she would be dancing over there trying to get your attention

on her. So it's like, it's bonkers. It is. So we were kind of like touching upon it before how maybe they like left some things out or like didn't go too hard into some things to get Kendra to be a part of it. But one thing that they did include was Jill saying that she thought that it like maybe, you know, there was the whole Lauren piece, but also that maybe Kendra had some kind of infatuation with Owen. Yeah. And that was Jill thinking that? Yeah. And Owen also felt that way. Owen also felt that way, and it seems like a lot of other people felt that way. And that's where the cut article kind of like goes into that a little bit more. Here's another quote.

In eighth grade, Kendra signed up to coach Owen's track team becoming, he says, like a second mom. A regular spectator at Owen's matches, she drove Ashley three hours across Michigan to watch one of his championship games. Once Kendra even suggested turning Owen's tournament in Florida into a Lakari family vacation to which Jill had to gently sit. No. Which like Jill was probably like okay. And like she even says it. She's like, I just thought like, okay, I guess she's just, you know, we're good friends. We're family friends. I guess maybe she's just like being supportive. Like her family's very sports focused. So like maybe they're just kind of extending it off to Owen. But like still even she was like. It's a little much. No. Like we're not doing that. Like what the fuck? And it's like you also have to remember. They're in seventh grade. This is also around the time that these text messages start. And it seems like also. We're not. around the time where her job is hanging on by a thread. Exactly. And it's like you're going to take time off to go to Florida to watch a 12-year-old compete in a championship. That's not your 12-year-old.

Oh, yeah. And also, Kendra is an IT professional. Yeah. So that'll show you exactly how, you know, she got that far. Mm-hmm. It's, you can't make this shit up. It's strange. You can't make this shit up.

It is strange. And obviously, like, Sean, Kenner, Kendra's ex-husband now divorced her. Yeah. And I think he has complete custody of Lauren, who I, you know, they seem to be doing well together. They seem like they have a great relationship, so that's awesome. But yeah. And then I guess one final note is that Lifetime kind of made like their own version loosely based on this story.

it's called Mommy Meanest. That's the most wife time should I've ever heard. I'm going to watch it immediately because Lisa Rina is the mom. And it says she is a Machiavellian brunette mother harassing her daughter. I was like, Lisa Rina. What? Ash literally was like, I'm in. I'm watching it.

I'm in. I don't think this documentary, mark my words right here right now. I don't think this documentary is the last we're going to hear about this case. No. I think it goes a little deeper. Yeah. And I think there's a lot more there. I'm telling you, they could have done a part two just on the stuff she was saying to Owen

and really focused on the Lauren stuff in one and Owen and another because they are two different sides of the same coin. Yes. And equally as horrifying on either side, just in totally different ways. Well, what bothers me is like she never got charged with any, like, sexual crime. Yeah, like misconduct. Like this is like Owens was able to say to her in her like hearing because they didn't get to go to like full trial. He said like I'm going to be scarred by this for life. Like you might move on but I won't.

Yeah, he literally said like you'll move on but I won't. Like I'm going, this is going to affect me for the rest of my life and it will because oh and sorry. Finding out that that lady was sending you that shit or talking about you like that. And not only that, finding out that she was sending you that shit talking to you about, like sending texts to you about those kind of things. And then finding out that after you broke up, you and her daughter broke up, she was stalking your new girlfriend. Another town away. Like this is a woman who, like, in my opinion, this feels like this woman was obsessed with this little boy and would not let him move forward. Allegedly in my opinion.

Allegedly in my opinion, that's what it feels like. 100%. And that's what it could look like. It would feel like that to me if I was Owen, I'd be like... And if I was Owen's mom. And I would fuck me up. Yeah. So that I think that's everything we have to say about unknown number, the high school catfish.

I will remember this documentary as long as I breathe there on this earth. It blew my fucking mind. I need to know if some of you guys like went into this not knowing who it was. Oh, please tell. I'm actually like, I'm jealous. I'm envious of the people who didn't get it spoiled because I got it. spoiled on TikTok before I watched it. And so I went in knowing, even going and knowing, I was still, it's still wild.

It still blew me over. But I wonder what it must feel like to get that complete shock. There are so many, I think I said it on one of the last episodes we did, there are so many TikTok compilations of people finding out just being like, what? Oh my God. I saw one the other day that was like some lady and she turned and she just goes, I knew it. I saw that one.

I saw that one. I saw that one. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. It's unthinkable. But, damn. One of the, one of the most compelling documentaries I've seen in a while.

I hope everyone else is thriving and doing well and healing in this story. Except for Kendra. I don't get a fuck about Kendra. Yeah. So that was our first bonus episode. It was fun to talk to you guys about a documentary. I don't think we talked about like a film since we did shockingly vile, wickedly, super nasty, gross, disgusting. It's super nasty.

With Zach Efron. With Zach Efron. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. That was like many years ago. That was many moons ago. Many moons. Yeah.

So, we hope you keep listening. We hope you enjoy the bonus episodes. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you don't tune into our bonus episodes, which are going to happen one Friday a month. Woohoo. Yay! Bye, girl.