Morbid - Spooky Asylums and Cemeteries with Nicholas

Episode Date: May 19, 2025

As promised, we TRIED to get an episode on Creepy Butts, but the research proved TOO extensive! Instead, we ditched the theme, and dove into Spooky places that spoke to our souls, ESPECIALLY our resident PodLab Ghostie, Nicholas.Alaina brings us Forest Haven Asylum where she discusses its dark history, as well tales of inhabitants that never left. Ash transports us to the eighth gate to hell- Spider Gate Cemetery!If you’ve got Spooky place you'd like to recommend with a personal account- send it on over to [e-mail] with “Spooky places” somewhere in the subject line- and if you share pictures- please let us know if we can share them with fellow weirdos! :)  Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And I am Tobias. And this is a very special edition of Morbid. Guys, we've been waiting for it. We told you about it a while ago, so you've been holding onto your butts for a long time waiting for this. We have Tobias Forge from Ghost on the show today. And we are so grateful that he's taking the time to do this.

Thank you so much, Tobias. Thank you very much for having me. Thank you. Of course. I need time. This is very exciting for me. I've been, like, raving about you guys for weeks, like, probably months at this point. Months, definitely.

I'm a newer ghoul. I've entered into the space very, like, this year. And the way that it happened was kind of funny because I had no idea that I was missing out on so much. I was so mad at myself. I was like, oh, my God, I'm so late to this game. But what happened was one night, we were recording because we have another show. It's a horror movie podcast. and we usually do it late at night. And we were recording it for hours upstairs. And when we came

back downstairs, my husband was sitting in the living room in like the dark. And he was like, I have to tell you about something. And I was like, what? And he's like, I just heard about this band ghost. And I can't believe I didn't know who they were. But I just sat and listened to the entire Impara album. And you have to listen to it. So for the next like three hours, we just sat and listen to it. And we were both freaking out about it. It was like this cool little like bonding thing because I haven't really felt this way about music in a while. So I just, I had to tell you that because I appreciate it so much that you guys have like brought that back for us. Well, that's, uh, that's, uh, very nice to hear, especially since I know that the record is like

44 minutes. So you must have heard it several times. We literally went through every album after that. Okay, okay. Well, Thank you very much. No, absolutely. Yeah, welcome into the weird place. It's a great place. That's where we thrive in the weird place. And we were so upset because we found out that you were in Worcester, Massachusetts.

Like, I think it was like the week before. And we had just missed you. And then you were going to a European tour. So we were like, no. It was right when you found them. Yeah, we were like, no. Well, great news is that we tour now and then. And so we're usually back, you know, somewhere in the vicinity again at some point.

Well, that was the, that was what came up finally. It was when we saw you were coming to Providence, Rhode Island. We were like, all right, we can do that. We can make it to that one. And we made it to that one. It was an amazing show. I think it was last week. Yeah, it was last week.

I've never seen Elena happier at a concert, and I've gone to many concerts with her. Yeah, it was a real moment. And I also have six-year-old. twin daughters. And I know you're a twin dad. I've been told that by many people now. Correct. Correct. Yes, twin vibes. They also love ghosts now and they were very angry that they couldn't come to the show. So they made me film like several videos and show them. Well, I mean, we're going to be around. So there's plenty of time. If they still like it next time, they're more than welcome to come with you. Yeah. Oh yeah. We saw a bunch of kids in the crowd.

actually like with their parents with those like little headphones so their ears didn't get hurt. It was so cute. It was so cute to see. Yeah. There are always a lot of kids in our shows. It's a very, very wide span of not only, you know, styles and sort of subcultures and to very normal looking people that just looked like they just accidentally stepped into the wrong thing. But also in ages. That might have been ash, actually.

That was me. No, but it's spanning, like, yeah, dare I say four generations? Yeah, probably. Oh, yeah. Like the oldest, the eldest in the room is usually, you know, old rock fans of, you know, born in the 40s, 50s, like our parent generation. And then you have, you know, the 60s, the first breed of kids and then, you know, down to the newly borns.

So, yeah, it's a very, it's sort of a family-oriented thing, which, you know, sometimes I sort of scratch my head on that one because there's a lot of F-words and, yeah, insinuations on this, that, and the other. Oh, yeah. About things going here, there, and everywhere and stuff. So it's like, well, but okay, if people like it, I mean, I come from a very, very liberal. real background. So where there was hardly any censorship whatsoever in our home. So I am just glad if that, but I because I've also realized growing up, and especially in it as a grown up, I've understood that my my upbringing might have been a little bit of an anomaly. Yeah. So that's why I'm always a little bit of like, you guys know what you're, have you seen the show?

Or did you kid just ask you to come here? What happened? No, no, no, we like your band as well. Okay, cool. Yeah, because I don't want to, you know, you don't want, you know, as much as you want to provoke and all that. Or, you know, I spend my first 25 years in life, wanted to provoke and piss people off. But as a grown-up, you're a little bit more, you know, especially in this day and age when people might react negatively in a way that is very negative to anything that they don't like or that they might find offensive or. not god-fearing or whatever or political or anything.

You don't want people to have that reaction with their kid on a rock show. No. Yeah, that's not what you need. You're just trying to have fun. Their hate fork out. Yeah, no. We don't need that. And that's, I think, like, because the way that obviously my girls are six years old.

So there's been a lot of like, what was he saying there? And I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I'm like peanut butter. Don't worry about it. Like, up to your interpretation. You just like the music. It's okay. You're like, go to school.

Yeah, no, I had to go through the whole, because my kids has also sort of picked up on not only me being in the band, but also this. Yeah, maybe this is a later question, but just on the note of how you have to explain something. And a question came my way and I was like, so my friend is saying like, Mary on a cross is, it's kind of. It's kind of kinky. In what way? In what way? You're like, we'll talk about it later. In what way?

No, but we have a pretty open conversation about like, about things. And I try not to divert too much. And, you know, try not to have too many taboos. You might say before a subject, like, this is things that you usually don't talk about. But just because we're talking about it, let's plow through it. But it, you know, it came to that point where it's like, because we're, obviously, in our family, we speak English as well. My son even is almost more fluent in English than he is in Swedish. I mean, he speaks Swedish pretty well.

But sometimes, you know, I have to double check. And that's where it really comes to a point where it's like, you do know what go down means, right? It's hard to miss that. Yeah. Then you had to. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

You know that. All right. Yeah. So in this context, it doesn't mean go down. It means like you're going down in history or you're going down as in you're falling from grace. But I wrote it in a way that makes it sound like I mean going down on. Oh, okay. That is a perfect explanation.

Yeah. And it's like. But you. You have to, but how are you going to have a conversation like that if you, if you're bound to not talk about sex or bound to talk about what people do in real life? That does not work. No, not on the other hand, I'm just, just because we're talking about funny things here, years ago when I'm not going to say who asked me, I don't want to throw anyone under the bus here,

but but it was extremely funny even though I found it to be cringe at the time. Oh no. We were sitting on the subway in Stockholm. And, you know, there were a lot of people sitting, you know, everybody's kind of silent. And then one of my kids asked me like, Dad, what does vagina taste like? Just on the silent. Oh, yeah. And you just see the woman next to my kid who's just like looking at me like, what are you going to answer?

She's like, I'm waiting to see the answer to this. That's a lot of pressure to answer that question in front of a train full of people. Oh, yeah. That is amazing. Yeah. Mic drop. Wow. That's like parenthood right there.

That's a win, though. Yeah, well, that depends on what I answered. That's very true. going to go that far. You don't have to. Just that was amazing. You had some questions. You had some questions.

Yeah. Well, first of all, I agree with you that like sugar coding stuff to kids doesn't really work that well. So we're of the same mind. That way I try to be not scary when I answer things like about like death and all that because they're six now. So those kind of things are coming up. You go just far enough. Just yeah.

I give you the facts. Otherwise, they're going to. and later be like, you lied to me. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, I think you should avoid that to the best of your ability. Exactly. But I'm going to take like a hard shift here because one of the songs that I love off of Impera is respite on the spittle fields. It's like one of my favorites. And I know that it's like about the aftermath of Jack the Ripper and, you know, how everyone was kind of living in fear. And there was no real conclusion to that case. And we actually just did a five-part series on Jack the Ripper where I think I had like almost 80 pages of research at the end of it.

It was wild. Elena did a quick dissertation. Yeah, just like I could not stop. It just that case sucked me right in. And I had to ask because I know that you are at least like mildly interested in that case. I'm obsessed by that. Oh, I love to hear it. Perfect.

Love to hear it. That's exactly the answer I was hoping for. So the double event with Liz Stride and Catherineettos. Do you think that was a double event? Do you think Liz was a Ripper victim? Or you do think she was just lumped in there? I am as convinced as you can be without having been there, which obviously means that you can never know for certain.

But I think everything proves, everything is pointing at that double event being. an actual deed of Jack the Ripper and the reason why that happened was that he for once chose not to do it at 4 in the morning on a normal weekday

and he did it outside his normal pattern as well because it was very near where his mother lived So he probably did it after or in some sort of conjunction with having been to his mother because apparently it's, yeah, because it's, I do believe they know they know. We know. Everything points to a certain person. Because there's a general misconception. when it comes to Jack the Ripper as a phenomenon and as a as a as a as a time or as a as a as a event or the series of events which is kind of mind blowing considering what we do know now about serial killers anyone is like interested in in serial killers and and we do know a lot now.

about basically the general background of a person like that. And there's a lot of general reoccurring features among these predominantly male figures in a certain age of a certain social class and background and just marital status and all that. And somehow those facts have not been applied to the case of Jack the Ripper. There's been this fascination and this fixation of it being someone that was from a different social class than was predominantly in the Whitechapel area. and that defies sort of like everything that we know about how every other serial killer has ever done it and also bear in mind in Whitechapel at the time if there would be like an aristocrat just waltzing in there with all clean clothes that person would like stand out like a shining like big that is very true

throbbing, glittering thumb. So that is out of the question. Like that wouldn't happen. So it's usually using the Razor Vacuum. It's a local person. And he's going to fall into, he's going to fall into the criteria of the normal serial killer you know between 30 and 40

broken broken home background problem with this that the other a social like all of those features that for somehow for some reason they've never

spoken about that it's always some some weirdo who's like well known and who had a fascination to openly do this weird thing collect that or you know who and basically

one thing that is mind-blowing about this theory, which is presented in a book and is also presented in a documentary on BBC. If it wasn't BBC, it was one of those English channels is that, and this

is the mind-blowing bit about the theory. Is that if you've seen more than one and you're interested in, But one documentary or read one book about Jack the Ripper. And if you have somewhat interested in it, you know that the sequence of events somewhat. And you know the basic characters. And the character that they're pointing at is someone that we all have seen.

We all know about that person. And that is the mind-boggling revelation. Because all of a sudden, you see him right there. And if you know about who it is, you can go back and rewatch everything that you've ever seen and read it. And now knowing that that is the person, you're just like, holy shit. That's him. Oh, that's him fit. Yeah, because he was one of the persons who found one of the bodies.

And the reason why he, we, it's believed that he found it was because another person came and saw him. And he was smart enough to just stand and he stand up, stood up and said, oh, found this woman over here. I know exactly who you're talking about. And this other person came and just like, oh, shit. Oh, is she alive? And they were like, oh, no, police. We don't know. Maybe we should pat her up, he says, the other person that came to person one.

And he says, no, we shouldn't do that. Person number two looks at the body and sees no blood. But the coat is being closed up all the way up to her shin line, basically. And then he says, we should go and find a place. police officer and they both leave. Around the corner, they bump into a police officer. Person number one,

who was the first body, who was standing first at the body, he says to person number two, hold on a second. I'm going to go talk to the police officer. He went over and said, Mr. police officer, a colleague of yours was asking for assistance

around the corner because he found a body over there. All right, said the police officer and run around the corner and ran towards where the body was lying. And this is the fucking magic here, is that when he sees at the other end of the street, another police officer had already found the body. So when he runs over and sees the police officer right next to the body and those other

two, they have already left. he thinks nothing of it because he was tricked into believing that that police officer was already there. So the murderer had an incredible luck that he was just kind of fined like a lure this police officer out of his way. But luckily, his lie turned out to be true. And that's how we escaped. That is pretty genius. Because when they came there. I'm not going to lie.

When they, because when then, then obviously when the police officers met over the corpse or over the, over this dead body, it was drenched in blood. So what that tells you is that at the moment when person number two comes up to person number one, there was no blood. That was because the blood was, he, the cut was so fresh. Yeah. It just happened. And he always strangled them before he started cutting. Yeah. starting from

because he was a butcher. He knew perfectly well that if you're going to cut into meat you need to stop the blood flow. Otherwise you will have blood all over the life. So he knew perfectly well how to strangle first and then you start maiming because the maiming, that was not how he killed them.

He did be maiming. That was part of the lust ritual. Yeah, but his name is known and that's the guy. See? It can't be anyone else. Yeah, and they can connect him to all the murders. His mom lived down there by the double

event. And he grew up north. He grew up south of what's it called Whitechapel Road? The big long one that sort of crosses like into the whole map of the murders.

And the double event was the only thing that happened south of that street. And that's where his mother lived and that's where he grew up. I didn't know that part about the mom living there. And that's after like 80 pages of research. There's always more to learn.

There's always more in this case. This has been, because this is a very unsexy. version of the story because he's just a local. He's just a local dude. And he works as a car man. And he was handling meat. He was driving out.

He had like a big, you know, big cart with horses. And his work was in the morning, early morning hours to us to distribute meat to butcher. So he could also pass very easily in case he was dirty or had any. he was already dressed for that. That's one of the things we were pointing out that it had to be somebody that could walk away covered in blood and nobody would like blink an eye, which that's why we were saying a butcher would make sense. But my only thing was it was the anatomical knowledge of like the human body.

That's the only thing that kept me from fully believing it was a butcher. He, you know, he automatically, I mean, a body, What you have to understand about bodies is how to sever and you have to have tools and simple things, like knowing how to, you know, separate things from bone or bones detaching. And of course he knew that. He worked with that all day. That is true. Elena knows all about that.

Yeah, I'm an autopsy technician. So I think I was like super critical of the butcher. theory at first because I was like, where did you know how to find like a woman's ovaries? Where I like, what's? You're like, I spent a lot of time learning that. But it's true that it's like a very specialized, skilled thing. And there is always the thing that it could have been luck that he could find these things. It would just be hard. That's why I get, I have trouble landing like fully on one that I believe. But that one makes sense. And I know exactly where you're talking about. Yeah. First name Charles.

Yep. And another misconception in order to fully realize the story about him, if you sort of strike out the word Jack the Ripper as the sort of chappel-clach-wearing aristocrat, which is like the common shadow caricature of him, if you sort of look at him and you disregard the idea of the canonical five and put in, rather in a context where they actually did find bodies before and also after. You also see the trajectory where the canonical five is sort of in the middle. Where even within the canonical five, it goes from pretty basic using, I'm being cynical here, but from a very basic stabbing to absolute carnage. Yeah, absolute carnage. There are a few before that are mild,

and it ends up after the canonical five being body parts scattered, and like a torso that was found floating in the river dams. So it just paints a picture rather of this person who was, pretty classical serial killer. And I think that that is a very interesting story. It really is. And it really does make sense with like the escalation. And I think you're right that people put it into this like, like nightmare fairy tale

kind of thing instead of looking at what it was, which is just a straight up serial killer, like a terrible human being and not this like phantom in the night kind of thing. It's not like a Grim Brother's story. Yeah, exactly. But so you don't believe that it's the Aaron Kosminski who they found the DNA, quote unquote, because I don't either. And I'm really glad that you don't. I'm really glad you don't.

Yeah, the mitochondrial DNA. I am as certain as I can be. Like, I am as certain as I can be because I don't look into him more now. I've seen enough various stories and representations and documentaries and and through through this whole story. And I've seen enough mass murder, serial murderers, serial killers and read about them to understand, to see the connection and see the simplicity. It's usually not as complex.

You don't. Very true. walk over the stream to find water. It's usually not that hard. And all the other stories are just complicated. And most of them are stories, as I said, where the accusation of guilt is thrown from one social class to another, and it's usually from the lower up.

Very true. And I don't think that there's a, coincidence that many of them are either royal or Jews or this that or the others, people that would, especially back then, people would love to see guilty of something. Like a scapego kind of situation. Oh, yeah, there was so much of that in this case. I could go like on and on. was like Sir Charles Warren, I could go on and on.

We could be here for like four hours, I wish. But thank you so much for answering those questions because I really wanted to know your opinion on this. And now I'm going to look further into Charles because we mentioned him and we talked about him, but I didn't go too far into him. And now I'm like, huh. A little further. Because I'd like to be convinced.

And that sounds pretty convincing. So we decided to put together rapid fire ghost questions, but not ghost the band, like paranormal ghosts because we figured we wanted to get, you know, a different side of things. Yeah. Cool. Awesome. Sweet. So number one, are you afraid of ghosts? I have always been afraid of the dark. Same. And so, yeah, I guess so. I, I don't seem to. I mean, I try to rational. I have this mind game where I think of,

if I were a serial killer, you know, if I'd just been dropped one more time, you know, I had first on the floor, I maybe I could have been one. You never know. If I were, theoretically I could be. What would the odds be that I would run into some other fucking lunatic here? That's true.

And yeah, and so forth. And I like the idea of this friendly sort of ghost that you can sort of be friends with. But regardless how much I try to theoreticize and I, I, It never really works that way. It always, my imagination always screws with me. But that's why I try to avoid being, I would never be alone in like a house or something like that. We live in the park.

So I couldn't do it. Yeah, I'm the same way. I don't like the dark either. And like I have to sleep with a light on and like sound because I can't handle like silence and quiet and darkness. but I think with ghosts, it's the spontaneity of ghosts that I don't like. Like, I don't even know if I'm scared of ghosts. I just don't like that they don't plan or warn me when they come.

They don't announce their presence. Yeah, I don't want to be surprised by anything. And, like, they always surprise you. So, yeah, I'm going to say no. I'm afraid of ghosts. I would love that sort of gentle knock before. Yeah. Yeah, just a little bit.

A little something. Hello, I'm coming. Yeah. And then you can make a decision. Sorry, please. Oh, no, you're fine. Then it'd say yes or no, I answer the door or I don't. I can say, no, no, right now. Yeah, you have an option in this scenario. I agree with that.

I think I'm really just scared of like the very scary ghosts, like poltergeist that want to mess with you and can come through your electronics. I'm not really into that. But in our childhood home, Elena and I grew up in the same house, and we've mentioned it before on episodes, we had tons of ghosts in that home and so many paranormal experiences. And in a weird way, some of the experiences made me feel protected. Like there was somebody, if I was at home alone, and I did, like, we've said it before, there would be like a perfume waft that would go by you. And you would just feel this overwhelming sense of calm. So those ghosts I'm cool with.

Yeah. The menacing ones I don't like. I would say number two, are you a Casper, Patrick Swayze, or Beetlejuice guy? If you had to choose. There's a reason for me to address myself and behave more like a, beetle juice guy on stage. Probably a little bit more Swayze, I guess. I don't know, actually.

I love that. I don't have a fun answer on that one. No, that was a great answer. But there's a reason that I wear that I'm flipping between personalities. That makes sense. Yeah, that's fair enough. Yeah. What about you? Beetlejuice. Your beetle juice. No explanation. Just on Beetle juice. Okay. I'm Casper all the way because I like to think of myself as friendly. Yeah, that makes sense.

Perfect. Well, the thing I'm just going to cut in here and just say. No, go ahead. Sure. One thing that I've always had very, very vivid dreams. Me too. And still, as a grown-up, even though I don't, like, understand that I'm dreaming and always. But if I understand that I dream, I, you know, I still, every, when I was,

a kid I could fly all the time but and but still if it's as long as I know it's a dream I can fly in the dream. Um, and another thing that I've learned in in the dream, which is actually quite, quite handy when it comes to scary things is, um, always to attack. You always attack, uh, whatever you see in the dream that is threatening. even though it might sort of go against your intuition, you just have to remind yourself, like, hit first, just fucking, you know, attack. First ask questions later.

Yeah, apologize later. Yeah, as soon as you see a scary, like, stairway or something that's dark, just run up and right, run down it, just jump down. And that usually shifts the dream just like, roop. And all of a sudden it's under control. It does. You take the power. Because usually when I can realize that it's a dream, I just, I'm going to try that

next time because I can lucid dream a lot. And usually I'll realize it's a dream and something terrible is about to happen. I get annoyed. Like my first thought is like, ugh. Like I get super annoyed. And I just like run the other way. See, I can switch dreams when I'm dreaming. Like I can go somewhere else and turn it into it.

a different dream. That's pretty cool. Yeah. Damn. I want to try all this stuff. I'm just like, I don't like that scenario. I'm going to go over here. You guys are doing, you guys are getting stuff done in your dreams. I'm just like, oh, this is annoying. I'm going to run the other way. So, what would be your favorite type of ghost? Like a poltergeist, Victorian child, a chic ghost, an angry bride, or something we haven't mentioned. Yeah. I guess it would be a Victorian child. I knew you were going to say that for some reason. I actually, I don't know if we're sort of touching this subject later, but just generally,

I am very dismissive of most horror films made last 25 years. But one group or one genre or one production house, if you want to be that sort of specific that I really did enjoy was basically most of the film that Yermot Guillermo del Toro sort of touched. I love him. He's one of my favorites. Just because he always, and I don't know if he, but I guess that sort of started a little bit with the Japanese films.

where at the end, you know, after all these horrible things happened, there was always like a big excuse at the end. No, it was actually this deed made the kid do, this happened to the kid. So all these murders are okay. And then it's like a beautiful ending. Yeah, they're all validated because actually the person that was most, the poorest was this one.

And so a lot of the things that he has done, you know, hero and and, and, and, um, and, um, uh, uh, uh, and, and a lot of those, I love those sort of, uh, when there's like a conclusion and that you feel like, wow, that was, and it's tragic, but beautiful at the same time. and um but they they break my heart as a parent as well i can't see them i can never see them again i always see them once and then i never see that i feel but uh so i'd probably prefer one of those if i'm going to have something around it needs to be like like someone like that or like an older woman or something like but but i would love for it to be kind of a i don't like screaming and i i have a problem with people who are like twitchy. I don't like twitchy people at all because I'm a control freak.

I like people who are like subdued. That's a little. Yeah. So it needs to be one of those. But Victorian, I like that. And if you class, if you dress properly as well, that that's like that. There you go. I like that. I'm taking it to a full blown place of chaos because of who I am as a human. And I would want an angry bride kind of haunt. I love a good angry bride. I love a good angry bride. Yeah, that makes sense. And I'm cool with like yelling and loudness. Screaming bride. Yeah, just let it all out. Yeah. And weirdly growing up, there was like a three-year stint where I was a dead bride for Halloween, three years in a row. There's probably some psychology behind. I'm sure there is. So I felt like I had to choose angry bride. You were manifesting that, I think, in some way. I think, you know what, I would

want a Victorian person. I don't know if I'd want a child because I think it would just make me cry. But I think an older Victorian woman I could get down with. You have a lot of kids to take care of already. I do. So I feel like it's, you know, and again, I would just cry and I don't want to cry. Also, Pan's Labyrinth and Devil's Backbone are like two of my favorite movies. Just had to throw that up there.

But the next question would be when you become a ghost, are you going to be a sheet ghost? Are you going to be a quilt ghost, a fancy lace curtain ghost? checkered tablecloth ghost. What kind of ghost are you going to wear? Are you going to wear a sheet, a blanket? When you said sheet ghost, I came to think about the grudge, you know, the ghost. That sort of appears in between the sheets. Yep.

And, you know, even though in between the sheets is a good position to be in. But it's a funny. if you're the the ghoster I would assume that it's a very effective way of terrifying people I don't think so there you go

but I guess I more realistically would be the sort of ponderer that would walk around aimlessly and amongst you know

the old the stuff kind of like imagine like a ghost version of of Citizen Kane in the end because I'm a collector so I have a lot of like I like to collect a lot of stuff

and I'm sure I sort of end up with roaming around all that stuff just with all your stuff oh no you just made me think rethink this now because I also collect a lot of stuff And now I'm like, very true.

Oh, no, I didn't even think of that, that I'm just going to be roaming around my, I guess that's fine, though. I'll just be roaming around in my stuff. You know what? You made me feel better about it. Yeah, it's all stuff that you love. Why would you not want to roam around in it for eternity? Yeah, that sounds great. Yeah.

And other people stuff is lost, then I'm going to be that sheet ghost. Exactly. Because then you'll be pissed. Yep. There you go. See, I would want to be like a sheet ghost, but I think I would end up being like a furry blanket ghost because that's just like how I live. Because you like to be comfy. I just always am in a furry blanket.

I want to be a fancy lace ghost because I'm not that fancy currently in like real life. So in the afterlife, I want to be a little more fancy. I think you're pretty fancy. I think that's, I mean, I'm wearing Johnny Cupcake sweatpants right now, so I appreciate that. You know, it's all relative. It's fine. Next question is Ouija boards. Are you for or against them?

Because people have very serious thoughts about them. I am probably an against person. Yes. Me too. I find them to be irritable, irritably fake. That is true. We're against them for different eyes. And you know, I'm, you know, I, I split my brain in two very much when it comes to belief and knowledge and, and, you know, humility in front of the fact that I don't know everything.

But, you know, as much as I do believe in that there is a great universe that we don't understand. I'm also pragmatical enough to shoot down anyone who says that they understand because that is bullshit because you don't know. So I'm all open for paranormal activity. but I also know that you wrote a bullshit book about it don't know shit so

and and Ouija boards is as I think it's pretty a well established fact also being one that I've tried it that there's always someone fucking moving that little

cup around it's very true that's what I'm like I'm like, I like straddled the line. Like I don't really care either way. Like I'm not super against them and I'm not like, yes, Ouija boards. But I kind of feel the same way that I'm like, I don't know if anything bad would happen.

Because everyone I've ever done, like I've done them growing up and someone was always moving that thing. So I've never had an experience that was like a ghost came through and we were followed for 10 years and don't ever touch it. So I'm just kind of like, if you want to do it, you want to do it. Yeah. For me, I told Delano, I think I should be exempt from this question because I'm very against personal use of them. I've had friends in the past. And kind of like what you were saying, Tobias, I feel like there's a lot out there that we don't know about. And there could be very easy ways to open those channels and we don't know how to close them. So I'm all set with that. Bloody Mary, what version did you grow up hearing about or playing? I think that Bloody Mary is When I hear that I think about a drink

But one of my favorite drinks We had Oh what was it called I think that the most commonly Similar A game Was called Swartamadam Which is the Black Madam

I think that that was a similar So I can't really, really, I don't know exactly what Bloody Mary the game is. How do you play that? It's different for everybody. It is. We grew up playing a similar version, but yours varies a bit. Yeah. So it usually starts off with you have a mirror in front of you and you're in the dark.

Usually in the bathroom. We were always supposed to be in the bathroom and you say her name a certain amount of times in the mirror. Okay. It's exactly like Swata Madame. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Cool. Yours just has a way cooler name.

I was going to say it sounds way cooler, but we also had this weird little, like, modified version that now, especially as an adult, I'm like, wow, that's rude. Because you were supposed to stand there and say the bloody marry however many times. And then you were supposed to say, I have your baby. That's real weird. Which now as an adult, I'm like, I would come scratch you out of a mirror too if I were her. Like, are you kidding me? And I don't remember what the whole thing behind that was. It was like this witch who got her baby stolen and you were supposed to be like, I have your baby.

and then be upset when she comes through the mirror. That's wild. But yeah, I never really did it. I was too scared to do it. I remember doing Bloody Mary once and being so terrified. I shrieked downstairs through like my whole entire house and I got in so much trouble. I love that. Yours definitely sounds way better than Tobias.

I'm not going to lie. For sure. Just for the name alone. Yeah, it's a catchy name. It is. So the last one I'll ask in these ones so we can get to the listener questions. If you had to have a famous person's ghost haunt your house, who would you choose? Ooh.

Good question. I mean, I'm a, I like, I'm a sort of a generally a laughing person. And it would help. It would be practical if it was someone who's kind of funny. Yeah. You know. But the sad thing that is that a lot of comedians aren't necessarily very funny when they're private. That's very true.

So but yeah, you know, someone who's cracking jokes all the time, that would be nice. I don't know. Richard Pryor, maybe. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, there you go. Someone like that. Or like Robin Williams. So they, you know, I can't sort of loosely sort of joke with all the time.

That's a good answer. Yeah. So it helps. I mean, in our home, I'm very sort of, I just make noises and jokes and, and try to, I always try to, I don't know how to explain my behavior, but it's very. And just because I'm hanging out with my wife who's kind of similar and our kids who are, now like, you know, we're all sort of the same size nowadays. And so it's like four people at home. That must be so weird.

That must be so weird. So, sort of behave the same, in a similar way where there's sort of trigger words that just that just unleashes this sort of series of words that sort of echo throughout the apartment. I'm a little bit like that. I was going to say. Yeah. It just swear words and certain.

If someone sort of says a certain word, I have to echo that. Yeah. And obviously now I'm just scratching at the surface of like a whole whole slew of internal jokes. But anyone who's going to haunt our house needs to be in on that. They need to hang. Be weird. Yeah. Or else they won't fit.

I love that. You need to contribute with your own stuff as well. Yeah. You can't just sit here and feed off of our jokes. You have to contribute. Yeah. Be original, okay? It's not a free show here.

You have to contribute. Exactly. I love that. Who would yours be, Elena? I would say David Bowie. Just one, so I could look at David Bowie. And two, his outfits are great. So I feel like they would always just, yeah, and it would always like cheer me up.

He can sing to me. He can pretend to be Jerith from the Labyrinth. I would make him do that daily. He's a multifaceted character. Yeah. I think it would be. great. That's a good choice. I'm hoping it happens, actually. I'm hoping I'm just manifesting it as I'm talking about it. We can summon him later. Yeah. I would say mine would have to be Tom Petty,

like for similar reasons to you. He could sing to me. There you go. He'd play guitar. He's also friends with very cool people who would like come hang out with us. Oh, that's a good point. When Stevie Nix crosses over, God forbid, someday, she could come over. We could have a lot of fun. It'd be great. I think it sounds great. I think we all nailed that one, guys. Also, my husband sings 90s R&B ballads all the time, so our house is very similar. So I think we'll end on the listener questions just so we can make sure we get some of those in. Definitely. Because people are very excited to hear you answer their questions.

Okay. So the first one comes from Rachel and Justin, and they want to know, when will we ever see the quote-unquote film project briefly mentioned a couple of years ago or do a horror film project in general. Let's just say that any horror film and another film project is not necessarily the same. There are several ideas. And one or several might come to fruition within a few years. Sweet. That was a great answer. All right.

Our next question comes from Anita McCormick and also myself, because I'm a cat person. We want to know how many cats you have. I have no cats, unfortunately. No cats. I wish I had. No, I am very, very, very much a cat person. I love cats. But one problem is that my daughter is allergic to them.

That's not great. That's not great. Which, you know, we can circumvent that by, you know, there are certain cats that are aren't, that doesn't have that dandruff situation. but on the other hand, it's also like a very, it will prohibit a little bit of our lifestyle. I could see that. Because we don't live in a house, so they can't be out. So you have to have them inside. And currently, I think we all feel that one day, if we ever live in a penthouse,

that's big enough to sort of roam around. Because you won't have two cats. Well, you want them to have, like, a friend. And it needs to be big enough for them to be, to roam around. And so we don't have that yet. Yes. Well, I hope you get it someday. You could get one of those, like a sphinx cat, the naked cats.

Yeah, exactly. There you go. Yeah, no, I'd love that as well. I mean, I like those cats as well. So it's like, yeah, I love cats. I had cat when I was little. So I miss, I don't miss him. he was a crazy cat.

He, yeah, he scratched my face. And unfortunately, after that, he attacked me. And then unfortunately, they put him to rest. Oh, no, no. Very sad. I didn't want that to happen, but he was a crazy cat. Traumatizing. He was attacking everyone.

Yeah. Can't have that. No, he wasn't traumatizing to me. It was like, because I loved a cat. So I was like, no, no, no, no, no. You're like, it's fine. Scratch me again. He didn't mean it.

Yeah, yeah, he didn't mean it. The aftermath is traumatizing. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. We have three, or I have three very chill cats, so I've recently become a cat person. And I am a dog person, but I won't let that stand in the way of our friendship, Tobias. We'll get through it together. I've been okay with Ashes cats, but my cats love you.

They do. They do. We get along. So maybe, maybe, but I'm a dog person. But the next question is from Audrey. and she says outside of Elizabeth Boutree and Jack the Ripper, is there any ghost song or will there be any future ghost song with inspiration from true crime?

Possibly. I can't promise anything, but why not? I have many records to write. I love to hear that. Soon or later, I was gruesome. When the inspiration comes. Yeah. No, you have to promise right now.

We need it in writing. Okay. I'll send that later, guys. Cool, thanks. Our next one, question comes from Shay Q. And they say, Tobias, I'm wondering if in light of the religious and mythology-related subjects, you have a similar experience of choosing to walk away from an organized religion that no longer served you, or if it's more of an outside observation.

Somewhere in between. As I said, I grew up in a very liberal home where religion had no place, more so than from a cultural aspect. like more like a pop cultural aspect it was part of uh we we were high consumers of tv uh radio films uh music so so the concept and art my because my dad my um my mother worked uh with art um so uh the concept of religion was ever ever represented in in film and art and music. So I already knew, for as long as I can remember, I was fascinated by the idea of the history. And of course, as any kid, you know,

you start asking yourself about God and anything beyond the realm of what you can fathom. But I think there were a few things sort of outside my home that really colored my, my, my stance on as to what, how I felt about religion as a more of an organized social exercise. And one of them was my first teacher that I had grade one, two. she was a very mean very mean like disciplinarian

uh woman and um you know this was the 80s and she was probably just about to throw her towel in at that point I mean she must have

I think she she retired like a year after us or something like that she was very old for us obviously being Like if she was 65 in the mid-80, later 80s, she was very old school. And I remember her telling, I don't know, she told the whole group, but I think I remember at least I was in the room, but she told me or she looked the way, looked at my direction and say that, you know, we're not allowed to hit the children anymore.

But if I could, I would. Oh, my gosh. You know, stuff like that. She's just very upfront. And so she, oh yeah, yeah. And she did not like me at all. She was very upset with, just because I, you know, I wasn't, I was never very good at school. And I've always been kind of anti-authority.

But, but, you know, and I was foul-mouthed. I was swearing a lot. And so, I mean, I have no problem. looking back and seeing like I probably provoked her a lot. But my memory of her, because from what I recall, and if any one of my old school friends or ever hear this and they say like, no, no, no, that's not true. Maybe it wasn't. But my memory of it was that she was implementing an abnormal amount of biblical theory

and biblical class on us. And she was also very righteous. And, you know, she combined her religious belief with meanness and very condescending. And she was very angry all the time. I remember I did a double knot on my shoes. So I went in and asked if she could help me untie it. And she was just like, oh, give me that.

Oh, my God. And, and, you know, you just get a yelling for anything you do. And, um, you're like, I'm aid. And my relationship with her was combined with several others that, that was religious people who were actually kind of mean. So I got the, the impression that this is just bullshit. This is bullshit. I can separate.

And I, and I think I, I, I, For as long as I can remember, I can separate the history lesson of the Bible. Yeah, there was this dude born 2,000 years ago that had ideas. And he started this little cult. And then he got trash for it. That's not hard to understand. Nope. And yeah, because that doesn't really fit into our story, you know.

So we had to sort of cue. a little and you know so a lot of those thought processes started for me very early especially as soon as i you know when i when i sort of became a a satanist was it was if it was if it was if it was not on the day but it was pretty much exactly coinciding with my adolescence uh so that became a very powerful tool to oppose anything that I've found stupid or weak or hypocritical. And I still think it is. I look at many of the most vocal religious people in your media climate or whatever around you that are claiming righteous thoughts about what to do with female bodies or

whatever it is. And it's all stems from evil, ignorance and just pure low life, dumb assness. Yep. Wow. Do you want to come on the show every week? I know. And yeah, I still find it as provoking and as much, you know, as when I was a child. And I, and it makes me just want to scream and rock. Scream and rock. They're loud, obnoxious rock music. It seems to be like a lot of people's experience when they're, when they like take themselves away from religion is they see people who are not practicing what they preach.

Like it's the exact opposite. it because it's supposed to be like preaching kindness and goodness and that's all great and it's like awesome and you can do that outside like love thy neighbor and all that and it's like all right cool that sounds great but then you meet like someone like your teacher and you're like how though like how does this correlate we're not practicing what you preach just help me on tie my shoe please yeah well i think it's you know if you want to be the more sober person in the room and and just look at it you understand that there are there are other aspects usually rooted in the reason why people utilize religion as a as a as a life code that more than often

sort of subject others to to grief and torment and um but but again you know like how how how much of a slack do you want to give people you can't just look at anyone and just like oh man you know if he or she was just a little bit happier yep he or she will understand that that that That is a bad, bad judiciary move. You know, it doesn't, you can't, some people are just fucking dumb. Mm-hmm. And a lot of people should be put out of our misery. But all I can do is rock.

That's what I do. And that's my lot in life. And I am very lucky with my lot. We're happy you found your lot in life. I know. Thank you for answering that. The next one that I'm going to ask you is from Saima. And she says, growing up in Sweden, what was the scariest urban legend or story you were told as a child?

And does horror as a genre differ in Scandinavia versus the United States? So it's like a two-parter. I think a lot of folklore is similar just because Sweden is a very, what would be the word, rural? very nature-esque, a lot of forest, creeks, valleys, rivers. And we have a lot of, since it's an old country as well, you have to remember that, you know, it's been a functioning, somewhat functioning country for us to 1,000 years. So it has a lot of old tradition of,

trolls and a lot of various forest beings and different weird characters that live near the stream and underneath the waterfall and it's a lot of folklore that is based on nature and the nocturnal side of the forest. And I found many of them to be equally fascinating as terrifying. I mean, especially if you look from a, you know, a historic perspective, which I, you know, I always like that. I mean, I'm very interested in history, but also trying to understand the psyche of people historically. And you have to realize that people not very long ago, as much as, you know, there's plenty of, of, of, um, uh, of simple tonnery.

Nowadays, there was obviously, you know, the standard mindset hundreds of years ago were pretty uninformed. And it must have been a terrifying environment to live in. Not only, you know, just 100 years ago, you could kill people, left, right and center. If you had more than one brain cell, you could get away with killing people. So easy.

Just because the forensic, forensics wasn't not up to snuff. Oh, yeah. So on the one hand, you had the real life that was just filled with bandits, murderers and rapists that would come and rape your wife and kill your children and rob you. But on the other hand, you know, as soon as you sort of veered away from society,

you had the very, very threatening forest outside your door as well with trolls and vets and all kinds of things haunting you. Faries are scary. Yeah. And oh, let alone the wrath of God, you know. Oh, yeah, and that. There's always that. There's always that. Yes.

So, yeah, horrible times. Good times, good times. They all lived through it for us to sit here. That's true. You know, I've, I did what most people, or most people, but a lot of people have done in the last couple years, and I did the whole ancestry thing and, you know, built my family tree. And I just found it to be, yeah, very, I got very touched when you see all these people who's lived their life. and, you know, try to survive and through hundreds of years,

throughout wars and all kinds of famine and all these things, just to survive and sort of try to get a little bit ahead and for the next generation to do a little bit better. And, you know, that sort of put me in a... a mindset that it's you know you're just of one one part of this tree that will continue growing hopefully and i mean just because my branch for some reason if that would end it the brand it's has so many branches that's also like a mind-blowing thing where you're doing that i have i have relatives like all over the world like in america tons so many um

Just because there was a great migration wave in Sweden in the late or mid to late 1800s. And that, you know, you put you in a, you sort of see a little bit of a, you understand that you're just one part and your job is to just push it forward and do the best you can do in order to just make it a little bit better for the future. but you're out eventually. That's a good way of looking at them. But you're doing it for all these people. Because otherwise, what they will have done this for nothing. Not for nothing.

Yeah. Because they obviously did it for their future. But yeah, I think that that is important to understand that you're just a part of a flow. Yeah. I love that. I think that's the perfect way of looking at that. It's like I forget where I heard it, but it's like your legacy is like planting a garden that you don't get to see. Yeah.

You just leave it for everybody else. And to circle back on supernatural things, what I was, what my, my, where it originated was that all these people lived through not only wars and horrors, but also all these fucking threats of this, that or the other, of the wolf coming eating your kid and the bears and the, and the, yeah, all the weird things that we have in our forest that actually does exist. Right. Yeah. I love that.

Swedish forests, man. I think it must be. So beautiful. I think we might have done an episode where we mentioned one. I don't remember now. I'll have to look at it. There's some scary ones. There are for sure. But I'm happy that you touched on history because it actually leads into the next question. Scarlett A says, can you please ask St. Tobias patron saint of rats if he was able to have dinner with any historical figure, who would that be? Just because we mentioned him right a moment ago, I would probably, and now I'm going to out his name here, but I would love to have. to have a dinner with Charles Lexman. There you go. That would be very interesting. It would.

You get a lot of answers to a lot of questions. And you know what? I would like you to have dinner with him because now I want to know. And you can report back. Yeah, I'm worseningly just assuming that he will confess. But what has he got to lose at this point? You know? Exactly.

Just do it. It's all you have to say to him. Like, what do you have to lose? Yeah, you're dead. You're good. I won't tell anyone. Just whisper it. But, you know, if I could curate this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, uh, this, uh, this, this, uh, this, this, uh,

this, this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, this, uh, in the 20s, because he died in 1921. Oh, so you, you'd want to catch him, you know, uh, not maybe 1921, but, you know, when he's definitely think he's in the clear, you know, in 1910s or something like that. Maybe in April, uh, 1912. And you can, you know, you know, directly after the. sinking of the Titanic and you sort of talk about that first and then you just lower them in into yeah I like that you gain his trust first yeah you get a little segue in there commiserate over the sadness of the Titanic right you're like speaking of sadness

how about all this people you killed it's pretty sad I like that I think it would work so the next question we have is from Bianca and Bianca says I hope you're doing well and staying safe. As the spooky season is upon us, Halloween traditions and rituals help keep the spirit alive. This is beautifully written. My go-to is watching horror movies all month long with the lights dimmed or by candlelight, then dressing up scary and passing out candy. Do you have any particular way you celebrate for the months or any horror movies that are your go-to? Not really. You just hang. It's spooky season all year. That's how we are.

no yeah yeah you'd think yeah that's funny i mean i've heard myself saying like uh you know when when someone was inviting us to some you know you go to a masquerade i'm like i don't know i'm not good i don't have a lot of costumes like and uh yeah i don't dress up normally um no and i i i'm a very very big fan of of Halloween. I'm a very big fan of, I mean, has the season. And the holiday, what are you called? In Sweden, we have a school break just around that time.

Oh, lucky. And obviously, in Sweden, also being a sort of a Tigon forest country, we know on the northern hemisphere. Also, for us, Halloween is obviously very, very autumnal. So it's just a very, very cozy, cozy is the word. It's very cozy part of the year, point of time in the year. But the thing that you have to remember is that in Sweden, we did not celebrate Halloween before. That was a commercial, it was a commercial amendment that I would say maybe with the audience, exception of some theme party at some point and before that but it was basically uh people

i think our age that started doing it in the late 90s mid to late 90s that's why more as a tribute to you know what we've seen on the films and uh back then you couldn't like buy Halloween stuff that way. We have a, we have a similar, um, uh, day there. It's all, it's also with in honors of, of the, of the dead. The same as that the, as the one of us. And, um, it's also like on the second of November or first November or something like that. Is it all hells Eve?

Yeah. But the, the, the whole practice of Halloween with pumpkins and all that stuff. You had to like do everything in the 90s. You have to sort of create all the things. And so it became very, nowadays, you know, there's this whole package. You can just go buy it for everything. And it's, it's, it's almost as a commercial holiday as it is here in America. Oh, wow.

Which I like. I like it. So I, I'm all for it. But therefore, there's, there's no real rooted tradition. We don't have like a culinary tradition. there's not not a a tradition

rooted in our upbringing or anything so I think that we're still feeling it out that makes sense but we have friends who one thing that we do is

we have a friend of the family is long story short he is he owns amusement parks and we usually on Halloween we go together with him and his family we go down to one of the amusement parks which is a

a zoo out in the forest and a park full with animals and stuff and they usually decorate it Halloween like and you go through the park and so that's a nice sort of a tunnel tradition and then we stay at the hotel there which is right in the in the wilderness. That's nice. Yeah, that sounds really cool.

I was going to say that's spooky. I like that. Kind of like similar to what we have with the, what is it called? The Jackalantron Spectacular. Thank you. We have something similar, not as cool as that because it's not like in the wilderness, but it's at a zoo. And so it's at night, so all the animals are around.

And they have like thousands of carved pumpkins that they light up. And they'll hang them and everything. Yeah, and it's just this like huge labyrinth that you go through. So we do that every year too. So that's pretty similar. But it's like if you don't have it when you grow up, like you were saying, I didn't think of that. That like if it's not ingrained in you from like a very young age,

it would be like, yeah, we don't have traditions. Right. Because we didn't start with it. I didn't even think of that because I'm just like Halloween from birth. No. But on the other hand, the trick-or-treat thing is very similar to what we do on Easter. Oh. Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah. So when you're a kid around Easter, on Easter, that was when you went around asking for candy. Oh. That makes a little more sense, actually. Yeah, we just have a bunny come and give it to us. Yeah, which he like breaks into your home and just leaves you candy. Yeah, we just have a home invasion.

Well, that bunny is not real. No? No, there is this. I'm just saying that we just sort of shuffled around the traditions, I guess. That makes sense. But, yeah, but I'm a big fan of Halloween. I like that. Good commercial holiday. Very cozy.

I agree. Pumpkins for life. Pumpkins forever. Well, our next question comes from Francis, and they said, if I could ask Mr. Forge a question, it would simply be, what makes you happy? There are many things that make me happy. And I like when one of the best feelings I can ever have is, be with my family and there's no have-toes. When I'm done working, there's not a whole lot of stuff that I need to do.

That is one of the weird things about, you know, getting what you wish for. Because you spend so much time not being a professional at what you do, wishing to be a professional, thinking somehow. that if I just get to not have a job, I can just do my passion, my hobby, and then you sort of reach some sort of new platform, some sort of status quo when all your problems is sort of out the window. And where I've noticed that my working situation, because I do have a job, even though I don't feel necessarily like I have a job in the classic sense. I work all the time and I have a very

hard time not working. My brain is constantly just spinning. And there are moments when I can stop doing that. And that is a very nice feeling. But that's usually when you let yourself. okay so tonight I'm with my family tonight I'm with my family and my friends I'm going to have a GT and I'm just going to let it flow you know I feel that's so hard and and and knowing that you're not going to go up in the morning you have nothing there's nothing but a day in front of the TV tomorrow with no have to's that's a nice that is happiness you just you just spoke like into our souls i think that's exactly what makes us happy as well you that was like perfect should we do one more question uh yeah why don't we do what are your favorite guilty pleasure

songs and that's from marissa uh i don't feel too ashamed of of of music that i liked but but it's uh of course i have a different i'm you know in one hand i I'm a nerdy collector, a fascinado about certain things and then, and certain bands, certain styles, you know, where I collect everything I see, know everything about it or try to get to know everything about a certain band and anybody who's been in that band and any demo that they've ever made. and what different versions differentiates the first version of the demo with the second because they changed the address

all that stuff where as I also like a lot of songs by artists that I don't give a rat's ass about who they are or what their background is it's just a nice it's just a great song

I've always been very very song driven ever ever since for as long as I can remember as I said the TV was on the radio was on we listened to music my brother had one set of records that he listened to my mom and myself

and it was just a constant flow of music so therefore I I've never really shunned away and then obviously it can be a band or something that you'd like ah I don't necessarily like

the totality of thing, but, you know, this song is really good because of this little transition over here or that. That's very brilliant. I have a fibrous, a weakness for early 90s Eurodisco. Wow. I love that. I didn't see that coming. I love how specific that is. Yeah, it's, you know, it's someone who really, is it really in the know might argue that it started before. But I think it's generally between 1990, 1991 to 1994, and that's the cutoff date, basically. There are a few songs that came in after that, around 96, 97, that that's okay.

But not only was it very creative, they created, there was a lot of new, technology that they used a lot of new sense and a lot of that I just like the sound of but there was a lot of great songwriting in that that was powerful songs and I think it also coincided with you know that was the age I was

when you know I was adolescent and before you'd seen the loop you know and before you'd really started exploring what it's like being a teenager and all the heartache that brings with it. You know, being a 12-year-old walking through the city and at night on my way home with a friend

having been to the, you know, the equivalent of blockbusters and we had a bunch of films. And then you, you know, you went by the nightclub. you know we all sort of lived in the city so it was a very we like the the nightlife was very near us near around us and yeah you saw like cute 18 year old girls and you heard the music from inside and it just sounded appealing uh when you heard um what is love and stuff like that it just so i associate that with nightlife, the dangerous, very enticing nightlife that you could only watch from an outside point of view when you hadn't really explored anything of it for real. So therefore, I am

very fascinated with Eurodisco between 1991 and 1994. That's incredible. There you go. So you like you like a feeling associated with a song? Like you like when you can bring some nostalgia with it? I don't know if I like it, but that I, I, I like the feeling of it, but I have to control it as well, because I can get stuck in, in feelings. And then I need to, then I need to break it by listen to something else and just sort of take my head out of that. Because it, it opens, I have, as much as I'm a very imaginary or imaginative, what's the word?

How do you say that? I have a lot of imagination. Yeah, you got it. Yeah. It also placed tricks on me. So I have, I don't want to say a good memory because I don't necessarily remember details. And I maybe not, especially because you didn't had reached a certain maturity level. So you couldn't really handle what you saw.

So I might, my recollection might not be correct of what I, what I saw. what happened of something, but I have a very, very vast memory bank of almost, almost my entire life. I can remember things pretty clearly from two probably and onwards. That's wild. And ever since I asked my mother once, like, what year is it?

From that date, I also know pretty much which year something happened or which month or it's like an inner calendar which uh and and by listening to music or by listening to something or watching a film or something like i can sort of open up uh gateways into into the memory bank quite easily um and that can be a little um overwhelming sometimes because you're just like oh shit you know you just transform yourself into to this place uh And it's not only negative. It's just like it's sometimes hard to know what to do with that information and those feelings. Because you remember so clearly like, oh, this song.

Oh, yeah. I remember I was at his house and that film had just come out. And we started talking about that. And then on the evening, he went over there. And oh, yeah, it was an election just the day before. Wow. And when you just... You'd be a great witness.

I don't know. As I said, I'm also a very imagined, I have a wild imagination. So it sort of spins. I wouldn't trust myself. Yeah, I can fill in the blank sometimes. Yeah, this is why I work in the entertainment business. As you should. Yeah. We have kept you so long. We want to thank you so much for doing this. We can't tell you how much we appreciate it. How much our listeners are going to appreciate it. And this has been a lot of fun. Yeah. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. Thank you very much for having me. It's very nice talking to you too. You are welcome back anytime and again, this was great. Thank you so much. And we hope to see you again soon. Definitely. Likewise. Take care yourselves. You too. You too. Bye. So that was the coolest thing

that's ever happened. I don't even know what to say that. It was just like so much fun. He was so lovely. Yeah. That was amazing. Obviously, you guys listen to the episode. You saw how lovely he was. He answered all of the questions that we sent in. That's crazy. Yeah, we were trying to be good with time and we went way over and he just hung out and chatted. That was like, glorious. We could have done that for another six hours. I sure would have, but I wasn't going to make anybody else. That was amazing. We want to thank Tobias so much again. His whole team. His entire team for making this happen because they've all been so amazing.

Guys, go listen to ghosts. Go to the shows. I'm telling you, when I say that the shows, the rituals are worth it. Oh, yeah. So worth it. I'm telling you, go. So it sounds like they have like stuff cooking too. Yeah.

That's exciting. So stay tuned for whatever they have next. But I'm telling you, go listen, go get merch, go do all that stuff. Let's keep them around. forever. And we hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not so weird that you don't follow everything that ghost does until the end of time. Bye.