Morbid - Spooky Road Vol. 5

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey weirdos, it's me, Squeaky Frome. And me, Tex, Watson. And this is morbid. We're not Squeaky in Tex. I'm Ash. I'm Elena. I murdered somebody. We would have never killed any.

Four, five hundred people, then I would have felt better. Damn, I felt like I really offered society something. We were caught in. Hello, weirdos. In a very, very hot pod lab. We are swelter-skelton. Swelter, Swellter, Skelter! It's so...

Ingle. I actually, so we're going to be continuing Ash's favorite Trippy Guru. Trippy. Chalmsmanson. Yeah. And something kind of funny

happened two days ago. It was kind of perfect timing. We didn't plan this. It just happened. We also haven't talked about it, so you were going to hear my live reaction. Leslie Van Houten was denied her 21st

parole attempt on June 30th. Which one, her 21st? Wow, girl. So apparently in January of this year of 2018, yeah, the parole board actually recommended her to be released. Because she's like getting education and prison. And she's like, changed bars then. I'm not 19 anymore.

I'm like 68. Like, fuck you, Leslie. Like that doesn't change the fact that you're still a murderer. Well, and the governor of California, Jerry Brown overturned that. Hell yeah. Oh, no. Hell yeah, Gerald. He was like, what the fuck?

She's a monster. And he was like, have you not listened to True Crime Podcast? She's the worst. Like, hey, guys, go listen to Morb in True Crime Podcast. She was brutal. And he said, the reason he overturned it was, the aggravated nature of the crime alone can provide a valid basis for denying parole. Even when there is strong evidence of rehabilitation and no other evidence of current dangerousness.

So a judge was like, yeah. Well, yeah, like, that's great that you're cool now, but you weren't and you still did a crime. Yeah, she, she, I mean, she stabbed people, as we'll talk. about later. She he did shit. She was one of those, and she's one of the girls that you see in all those pictures. Yeah. With the three Manson girls that are defendants. And she carved her fucking face who were like carving their face and shaving their head and singing songs as they walk into their murder trials. So she didn't give a shit. And she was 19 at the time. Right. So like, you knew enough to, I just wanted to make sure, like, Leslie knows that she's a piece of shit. And

it doesn't matter that you look like a friendly grandmother now. Yeah. You're still a piece of shit. We get it. You're a prom queen or homecoming bullshit. blah, blah, blah. Like, whatever. You will murder her. Yeah, you stay in prison. At the end of the day, you will murder her. Truth.

Yeah, I think that was my update on her, so. Cool. And then later, I have something else to say about one of the victim's mothers has made this kind of very difficult for her to get out of prison, which I'm like, you're a boss. Oh. But yeah. Sick. All right.

Should we just, you know, like. Yeah. I think we should just jump right into it. All right. They've been waiting long enough. Guys have been waiting. All right, so just to recap, I think we talked about the song that Dennis Wilson claimed us his own. And it is never learned not to love, but it was originally ceased to exist when Charlie wrote it.

Because Charlie wrote it. Charlie did write it. And it is a song that you can listen to. But Charlie's not singing it. Unfortunately. I'm just kidding. So, yeah, Dennis Wilson really pissed Charlie off to the point where Charlie left a bullet in his bed. Which, you know.

Just saying like, hey, I know where you are. Send him messages. I know where your kids are. And like, fuck you, Dennis, essentially. But what it comes down to is that Charlie knew that he couldn't actually like get the family after Dennis or do anything to Dennis because Dennis had close ties to music producer. Yeah. Terry Milcher. Yep.

So, big name. Terry Milcher. Oh, also his mom was, I believe Doris Day. Yes. Yes. Yeah, she was. Cool beans. I had that been down somewhere, yeah, which is crazy. Yeah.

But anyway, he had produced over 80 hit singles within a few years. Yeah, he's no joke. So he was really just doing the damn thing. He produced for like the doors, other people, you know. The important one is the doors. The doors, yeah. So Manson was like, I believe we said it last episode, like super determined to get signed by Terry Milcher. Yeah.

So Milcher. Just want to be a rock star, damn it. He really just wanted to be the sixth Beach Boy. Because I did some research and there are five. Also, I didn't actually do research. I was just watching a documentary and I counted them. So I hope I didn't incorrectly count. That's research.

Research. Sure. Fuck yeah. I trust your counting skills. I'm fucking swelter-skeltering. I've seen you count before. One, two, three, five. You're pretty good at it.

You're pretty good at it. Thank you. You're welcome. So yeah, Milcher heads over to Spawn Ranch to listen to Charlie and some of the family perform. Manson tells the family after. word that Milcher promised him a record deal. Brode a contract.

Why didn't anyone see the contract? Who destroyed it? Were paper shredders alive back then? That might be bullshit. Probably a little bit of LSD. And you had to make a correction. Oh, yes. Speaking of LSD. What was that?

Was that Annie? I don't know. Did you just go boom? Why does this shit keep happening? I don't know. Yeah, this is weird. Someone went boom. We might be in a haunted laundry room.

I don't know. What's, I don't know, man. Maybe Charlie's like, tell them what I was actually feeding my followers. Yeah, I keep forgetting that he died. Yeah, so maybe he's like, you got it wrong. Maybe he's like, Ash, you look like one of my followers today. Oh, yeah. We should probably mention that before I even go into this.

I know we said last, we sent a picture out last time. We're not taking one today. I didn't do this on purpose either. And last time Ash was dressed as a flower child. Yeah. And today. Now I kind of look like a murderer because I'm sweaty and hot and bothered. and a tie-dye t-shirt and no shoes, which is so Manson family.

So, like, I'm pretty positive that Ash has officially joined the Manson family after his death. I mean, go. Just like, you don't have time for shoes sometimes. Just go for it. I was already late, and I just couldn't find shoes. I mean, we don't all have time for shoes. Yeah, it's summer. Fuck shoes.

Hell yeah. Okay, but your correction. My correction is correct me, bitch. It's not even correction. just like an addition. So we mentioned LSD quite a bit, that that's what he could, which he did use quite a bit. Yes, not wrong. And he had his followers use it quite a bit. That is totally right. But there's also another very potent substance. Which this is cool. That he was giving his followers in the form of a tea. So a super trippy tea. This is, it's, it's a plant called Bella Donna. And I think,

It's, they basically use the root to brew the tea, and it's crazy hallucinogenic. Like, you can hallucinate for, like, weeks. Literally. Like, so, Tex Watson is one of the followers that is a main guy that we're going to, I mean, I have a little thing to introduce him next, because I don't think we've introduced him yet. No, we haven't introduced him, but, like, a lot of the new key players. Yeah. This is, it's kind of, I'm mentioning it because Tex Watson was on this stuff when the murders,

occurred. Right. So this is a plant that grew around Spawn Ranch where they're currently staying in that whole commune lifestyle. And Tex Watson in an interview said that Charlie and him were driving through the hills of Spawn Ranch. They met some guy, the guy kicked him off their land.

Manson is like a huge big shot, obviously. It was like, I'm going to poison him. Do you know how to poison people? And he was like, yeah, there's this shit on the ground right here. That'll fuck you up for two. Here it is. Right here, and it was Bella Donna and Charlie was like, oh shit, I can start using this in smaller amounts and just have people tripping balls everywhere.

And that was Charlie's dream. We just wanted everyone tripping balls. It's to be a rock star. And he had one of the girls making tea from it, because apparently she was very adept at making tea of Pelotana. Such a fucking love child. This girl said that she had some of it, and she was feeling the effects weeks afterwards, having blackouts weeks afterwards.

So this shit is no joke. Yikes. Now, this is just from the tea. You actually bite into that root, and you're going to be fucked up for, like, ever. For like your entire life. In checks before the tape murders that we're going to mention soon, he bit into it. I'm just like ate some of it. Yeah, like he said he just bit into it.

It looked like a yam, so he bit into it. So he said, he is quoted as saying, people call LSD a hallucinogen, but it is not anywhere near as hallucinogenic as Belladonna. I mean, you hallucinate so strongly that you completely lose touch with what you would call reality. In other words, if I were on Belladonna now, I wouldn't necessarily have to be seeing all these people in this course. room and all of you. I may just be seeing palm trees in the ocean and another reality. That's insane. So he would literally just be somewhere else. It's like that's how hardcore it was.

And he said at one point it made him like foam at the mouth. Holy shit. So it's like no, so I think that's one of the things he was using too to like just fuck these people up. And I mean, and Tex joined the group. His name is also Charles, which is funny. Yeah. Because they called him text because he was from Texas. Because he was from a small town in Texas. And he just kind of like met. I think they met at Dennis Wilson's house. Yeah. Like, during all that shenanigans.

He just fucking met texts. And then he was like, hey, you want to be in my family? And text was like, yeah, I'm fucked up. Let's do this. Let's do it. Here I am. Okay. So, Manson tells the family that Milcher promises a record deal,

paper shredders, fucking contracts never happened by. Later, Milcher has second thoughts, apparently. I don't know if that's true or if it just never happened. And he tells Charlie that he does think his music is good, but he says, He got a lot. A lot of people said, like, people were just kind of like, you're kind of weird. Charlie's main problem was that he's fucking bananas.

Like he's banana. Like you just tone it down, bro. Seriously, I think he was just too excited. But I mean, so was Ozzy Hasborn. It worked for him. I know. But I feel like the music that Charlie wanted to do, you couldn't be. And he was surrounded by like, it would be cool if he was surrounded by a group of like just normal.

Like flower ladies. But like, I think these girls were like a little. A little gnarly. And the dudes around him too because he was getting dudes around him now. So it's like, I think there was just a lot of. There's just too much going on. He says his music's good, but I wouldn't know what to do with you. And I wrote that.

He literally says, I would not know what to do with you. Because how do you market him? That's the problem. He didn't know. And I don't know and I don't know if you know. That's the thing. They're like, you're talented in a way. Yeah.

But like I don't know how to bring you to society. Right. That's the thing. And that's why Charlie hates society. Yeah. Because they didn't know what to do with them. That's kind of a bummer. Um, so that I wrote is the.

moment where Charlie in Gall capital letters loses his shit. She really did say that too. So just keep in mind that Charlie knows Milcher lives on Cello Drive, but what he doesn't know is that Milcher moved out of that house, and that is when Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski move in. Just a little tidbit. But there's a few things that we got to go over first. Charlie's enraged by Terry Melcher's alleged betrayal, and he becomes more obsessed with Helter Skelter and creating the race war, like we said last time. Yes, because it was like during the race riots and stuff. Right.

So he was like, oh, I think. He had a little, like, he used it. Yeah, exactly. And he thought, like, the white album was giving him, like, codes. Only them. Yeah. Like, he was, like, telling the family. The Beatles knew him.

That this is just to us. Like, they know that we're listening. It's like, well. Maybe he was doing, like, a little bit of Belladonna. He was doing a lot of Belladonna, I think. Like, early January, 1969, like, after they were, like, really getting into the white album and starting to think that this white album was speaking to them. that Charlie positioned the family in like L.A. in another house and it was basically so that they could

monitor the situation. That was his whole thing. Because it was racial tensions in L.A. and they wanted to monitor everything and see how it was panning out. And that was the Canary Yellow House. It was a Canary Yellow House in Canoga Park, which wasn't far from Spawn Ranch so they could move between them easily. They called it their yellow submarine because, you know, the Beatles song. I think they liked the Beatles. I mean, I feel like maybe they did, but I think we're just assuming that because of the time. Yeah.

They knew one song. They might have known a couple songs. Yeah. I mean, maybe. I'm not sure. Maybe they could name one of the members. They knew, um, heilter-skelter. Have you heard that one?

Um, I haven't heard that one personally, but I trust you that it's a song. It is. That'll make sense later. Um, so he basically, he called it their yellow submarine for the Beatles reference, obviously, but also because he wanted to make the group submerged. beneath the awareness of the outside worlds in their submarine. This is where they started like singing songs together and recording songs. Kind of want to hear them.

Right. It's like one of those things where you kind of want to hear them. Kind of don't want it at all. Something bad might happen if you hear them. So it's like I don't know. Like I'll feel like I'm on the fucking weird team. Yeah. I feel like it's like the ring tape that like you're like, I want to watch it.

I don't. But I'm going to die in seven days. Yeah, I'm not watching that shit. No, I'm not going to watch that shit. Fuck that. But I'm also not going to listen to the ship. So it's true. But it's the same thing.

So this is also where they came up with the whole helter-skelter plan of the race war, and they were going to do all the shit. So this ultimate plan, Helter-Skelter, is as follows. The family would create an album of songs similar to the Beatles' white album. But different. Probably totally as good as the white album, too. Doubt it. Because their skills were on point, I bet.

Charlie's were probably not Beatles on point, but, you know, yeah, you know. So they were going to create this album of songs, and they were going to put in all this hidden shit that was going to be triggers for people to understand that Helter Skelter was a promise. Like how they felt the Beatles were talking to them. It was going to be like subtle codes. I feel like your husband's never going to listen to the Beatles the same. I feel like he's not, but he still will, though. He will, yeah. I mean, our child's name is Lenin.

You also played the Beatles at your wedding. I just want to put that out there. We like the Beatles. Just triangulate ourselves. Not as much as the Manson family, or not in the same way, but we like the Beatles. So what was going to happen, this was the plan. This would trigger everybody to understand that a race war was upon us, helter-skelter, go at it. So now they were going to say that these murders that they committed, the ones that we're about to talk about,

they were assuming that everyone was going to assume that black people did this. So these awful murder. murders that were committed by black people, obviously. That was going to be met with, like, crazy vengeance in that there was going to be this crazy split between the races that just grew even bigger. Right. And then they also knew that within the Caucasian race, there was going to be racist white people and non-racist white people, as there is.

Now, those two groups were going to, like, converge upon each other. And it was basically going to be like self-annihilation. Right. Like the whites were going to annihilate each other. But then. And again, I'm using the whites and stuff. This is all like from his. Yeah.

So this was going to end in, you know, black people triumphing over white people. But then. But so this would happen. And then the family who were riding out this whole shitstorm been underground. In the bottomless pit. In something called, quote unquote, the bottomless. pit. Which they started to make, right? Basically, they were making a secret city.

That's what they wanted to make, beneath Death Valley. And they were going to call it the bottomless pit. And that's where they were going to ride out this whole shitstorm. And then they were going to emerge after the white people annihilated themselves. How are they even supposed to know? This is all drugs. Because dirty hippie shit. This is drugs.

Drugs. Because this is when they would come out and they would rule over the black race. That was their whole plan, is that they were going to come out. of this fucking bottom like underground city and that black people were going to be like oh my god you must be it you are gurus and they were all just going to bow down to them and then they'd rule over them so they were like racist piece of shits also they were racist as fuck yeah and i mean later charlie carved a swastika in his head so so did he did he just turn the ex into a swastika i mean i think the ex probably healed i don't know if he did it that yeah because he healed

for everybody else. He later had the swastika tattooed onto his own. Yeah, he carved it first and then it was tattooed. So yeah. Who fucking tattooed that's the ultimate plan? So he starts telling members of the family that they're going to have to show the blacks how to start helter-skelter. Just like help them, you know? Just give them a helping hand. And he called them the blackies a lot. Yep, the blackies. Makes me feel some type of way. Yeah. I also didn't call them the blacks. I just, that's the quote. No, yeah, I was going to say that as, I'm not a horrible person. When we say these things, it's from his It's quotes, yes. Like, we don't call people the blacks in the blackies.

Sure don't. You just know that. Yikes. So, Charlie puts Tex Watson, who we mentioned before, in charge of preparing the family with money intended to help them during, like, the conflict, the race war. Tex, it says he defrauded African American drug dealer, Bernard Lutz of Papa, Crow. I love it. Like, is that how you say that?

It is. You have it exactly right. Lots of Papa. Great. Lots of Papa. Like, I got a lot of dads. Lots of Papa. Crow, so he defrauds him. So does that mean he just, like, lies to him or, like, robs him?

Yeah. From one I found, I think he, think it was basically, like, he owed him money or he said he was going to give money. Yeah, it's like, it's a very weird. It's unclear. Yeah. Basically, he lies to this guy and this guy gets pissed off. But basically. And this guy, Crow, lots of Papa, threatens to wipe out the whole family. And Charlie responds to this by showing up to his apartment on July 1st, 1969, and shooting him.

Yes. So, you know, that's how I take care of all my problems as well. It's perfectly understandable. Manson later sees a news report of the discovery of a body of a Black Panther, and he believes this to be the body of Crow. However, that is not the case because he was not a Black Panther. One was not a Black Panther, and two, didn't die. Yes.

He didn't kill him. So he later, like, shows up in, like, these, like, news. reports and blah, blah, blah. So, oh, at this point, he basically, because he figured now the Black Panthers were going to be coming after them. So he turned Spawn Ranch into, like, night guards. He put, like, night patrols. Like, he was like, we need to be ready because Helter Skelter is coming down very soon.

Because we fucked over this black guy. Like, he was like, this is it, guys. Like, it's happening. But Crow wasn't a Black Panther. No. So I don't know why. I think he just assumed that all Black people were or I don't. I think he's just super racist.

He's just misled. Understand. Yeah. I don't really know. Fucking Charlie. Fucking Charlie. So he still convinced, I mean, they didn't get any money because Crow got pissed off. Yeah. And he's still convinced that the family's going to need money.

So he sends Bobby Bucilleel. Is that how you say that? Yes, I think so. It's a very weird. Bo Salé maybe. Bocele. Bocele. Okay.

So he sends Bobby Bocelele. Mary Bruner, who is the chick that he was married to. Yeah, the first girl. Yeah, the first girl. Yeah. They have a kid together. Yeah. They have like Moonbeam or something or Valentine.

Pooh bear. Pooh bear. Close. Moonbeam, poo bear. You're fucking every name under the book. Sunshine dust. Yeah. So he sends Mary Bruner, Bobby, how do I say it again?

Bousselaet. And Susan Atkins, crazy motherfucker. Susan Atkins. To the home of Gary Allen Hendon. She might be dead, by the way. I think she's dead. Yeah, I think she did die. Anyways, so he sends them to the home of Gary Allen Hinman.

So Gary was a music teacher and PhD student who said, some of the members of the family had previously stayed with. He's described as, like, basically the nicest guy ever. The kind, gentle soul. And he would, like, he took in people a lot to stay with him that needed to stay. That's how you befriended them in the first place. Right. They stayed with him for a little bit.

Moral of the story is don't be nice to people. Yeah, don't. So Manson, for some reason, thought that Gary had stocks and bonds and also believed that Gary owned the property on which he lived. His idea was to send the members of the family to his house to convince Gary to join the family. Clearly, this does not go as planned, and the family ends up holding Gary hostage for two days. Yep.

During that time, Mary. During that time, Manson apparently slashes Gary's ear with a fucking sword. Yeah, fucking sword. Like, Charlie Manson, where'd you get a sword? Charlie Manson, settle down. Yes. Drink some regular tea, maybe some sleepy time. Like, what do you do with a sword, bro?

That's the last thing Manson needs. Yeah. Can you imagine that little turd coming into your house while you're being held hostage by these funky dirty movies? And he comes in with a sword? He's been like, what is happening right now? He's wild. Like, oh. So he slashes his ear.

They hold him hostage. And basically Manson instructs Bobby. I'm not going to say his last name because I keep fucking it up to shoot Gary. Yep. Bosolay, by the other one. Thank you. I just like saying it. I just don't.

Someone writes in blood on the wall, political piggy, and draws a panther paw. Which might have been Susan Atkins because she did some drawing. She does some shit. She's all about the drawing. I also found an alternative theory as to why they killed Gary Hemman. So there's that. And I think that's part of it. That is a theory, yes. And I remember hearing, and this is courtesy of last podcast on the left. So I want to get them. We just saw. We did see them and they were amazing. That show was so good. So good. They actually said that they researched and found that Gary Hinman may have been like a small-time mescaline dealer. Oh.

And that he made kind of like a funky batch that like didn't go so well. Oh, bad drugs. And that the family had ended up before all this occurred before they, you know, held him hostage and all that shit. They were like the middleman between his drugs and this biker gang. Okay. So they were like selling to this biker game comes up later. The biker gang got this bad batch of mescaline.

And was real pissed. And was pissed at the family for selling it to them. So then Charlie was like, fuck Gary. Now we got to fuck him up. Okay. So that might have been part of it. That makes sense. Like it makes sense.

So maybe that was part of it. Maybe that's the whole story. Yeah. That could be it. A biker game comes up later, too. They do. So Bosaillet. Yeah.

Bosa sleigh. But don't, dude. No. He did actually. And he's a dick. Yeah, he's a dick. He was arrested on August 6th after all this. for actually driving Gary Hinman's car.

But he says he only went to the house to recover money paid to Gary for bad drugs. So I actually had that written out. Oh, there you go. And he said the women only went along to visit and say hey to Gary. You could just hey. Hey, Gary. It's like, what's that? Gare, Gare.

Hey, Gare. This is a very different story from the one that Susan Atkins tells, which is that Manson told Bobby, Mary and her to go to Hinman's house, get his supposed inheritance of $21,000. And also he told her that if she wanted to do something important, that she would kill him to get his money. Because that's it. That's important. Hell yeah. That's the only important thing you can do. Money. Yeah.

Two days after the murder of Henman, Gary tells the family, now is the time for Helter Skelter. And they found the murder weapon and the tire well of his car. Oh, yeah. Like, that's how dumb. Yeah. Come on. Like, really? Like, they're so hippie.

They just don't give a fuck. Like, you're giving them all these tasks and they're just, they're hippies. Yeah. You're given hippies tasks, and it's not going to work out. Spoiler alert, it is not going to work out. It doesn't work. So, yeah, it's time for Haltor Skelter. Yikes.

Yikes. So I wrote August 8th is when shit gets real people. It's true. I really did. Manson instructs Tex Watson to go to the house on Cello Drive and kill everyone inside. Inside. He tells Susan Atkins to leave a sign, something witchy. Something witchy.

Have a nice day. Have a nice day. Have a good day. It's like a 2020 interview, and he's talking. to, I'm pretty sure it's Diane Sawyer. Probably. And everyone talking to Diane Sawyer. Everyone loves that lady.

Everybody. Everybody. Everybody talking about. Everybody in the club of Diane Sawyer. Um. But he says he's like, he's just like a going over and he's like, I said leave a sign. Like I would tell you something witchy. Something wishy.

And then he goes, have a good day. And it just makes no sense. Like, it totally does. He told her to leave a sign, something which he, have a good day. Well, in the whole point of these murders, too. was Bobby was in jail now, Bolshele. And they were like,

we need to get him out. Like the girls came up with this, and they were like, this is brilliant. Let's commit murders that look like that Gary Hinman murder so that they'll think that the murderer is still out there.

Hashtag drugs. So that's why they were like, that's why they were like right on the walls and shit. Because we wrote on the walls. At Gary's house. So that's why they like kept that going. We're just writing on hell of walls. We're just writing on walls.

Well, and Terry Milter used to live at this house. Exactly. So it was like a, they picked that house specifically because of that. But the reason they were like, let's go on was part of it was to get that, yeah. So he says, leave a sign, blah, blah, blah. And Linda Kasabian is the getaway driver. Patricia Crenwinkel's there too. And Casabian had only entered the family a month earlier, by the way.

So Patty's there too. Patty. Big Paddy. Now, there was five people actually on the tape property, but there was only four that were actually in the house at this time. There was Wocheck Frykowski, who was one of Roman Polanski's childhood friends. His partner, Abigail Folger, was also sleeping in the house. Jay Sebring, who is the ex-boyfriend of Sharon Tate, and he was a famous Hollywood hairstylist. And those were the people in the house with Sharon Tate.

She was also in the house at the time, obviously. And then Stephen Parent is another victim, who was only seven. and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time and was outside on the property. Poor Stephen Parent is leaving the Tate House as Tex is cutting the power line. And so he's cutting the power line. He just hopped the fence and then he hops back over because he sees lights coming away from the driveway headlights. And Stephen Parent, who was just trying to sell a clock radio. Yeah, to the caretaker.

To the caretaker. Who was there? Question mark? He was because he lived in the guest house. He said he didn't fucking hear anything. Yeah. I think maybe he was off the property a little bit. Terry Milcher used to live there, but now Sharon Tate and Roman Polanski lived there.

Yes. And Sharon Tate was like a huge name. She was literally an Ed girl. And she was not even in like huge movies. She was just dropped-de-gorgeous. She was in, um, fucking that, the Ed, the Talking Horse. Oh, was she? Yeah.

I didn't even know that. She was the girl. Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. That's so crazy. She was also in like, Eye of the Devil and the fearless vampire killers. Yeah.

And like people loved her. Like everyone knew who Sharon Tate was. Well, she was so pretty. Directed Rosemary's baby. So. But, and she was only 26 years old. And eight months pregnant.

And eight and a half months pregnant with Roman Polanski's job. But, okay, so Roman Polanski is a way in Europe or something. Yeah. Along those lines. He's out of the country. Yeah,

he's not there. And he was, he said that like, that's not being there that. night is the biggest regret of his life. That makes my heart hurt really badly. I mean, he's gross. He's kind of nasty.

But at the time, he wasn't yet. But that's another podcast. Yeah, he wasn't. Maybe this changed him. Yeah, who knows. Okay, so Tex Watson is cutting the power line, and Stephen Parent is leaving the Tate House because he was trying to sell a clock radio to. Only 17 years old.

17. And he was trying to sell a clock radio to the caretaker. The caretaker didn't want the clock radio, by the way. Yeah, I don't even think he sold for him. So he was there, but, like, no reason at all. Yeah. It was, like, 2.15 in the morning when he left. Yeah.

Also, like, why didn't you try to sell it earlier in the day, poor thing? Well, I think he went there earlier, and they hung around and, like, chatted for a little while. Because they said, like, he hung out for a little while. So he was just literally in the wrong place at the wrong time. Literally. Like, had no connection to Sharon Tate. No connection whatsoever. Okay.

So he was met by Texan the driveway, and he begged for his life. He said, I will, like, leave. I won't tell anybody that I saw you here. Like, just let me live. please let me live. So he died, like, begging for his life and was shot four times at point-blank range, and his hand was right in the face. His hand was also slashed by a knife. Probably a defensive wound. Absolutely, trying to get a layer. Poor thing. I know. So they, Tex walks into the house. They, like, cut the screen and they break in through an open window, I think.

Yeah, which, okay. Okay. Lock your windows, everybody. It was like a wicked, beautiful summer night. I know it is. Our windows are open right now. Oh, but I'm not leaving them open when I go to sleep. You better believe. Do you want to hear a fun story really fast? Do not sleep with open windows, everybody, because you know what? Fresh air is for dead people.

Okay. Wow. That was. It's true. Yeah. Fresh air will get you dead. Yeah. Just put on an air conditioner.

A few weeks ago, me and Annie were in her house, like, all alone. And we closed all the windows and locked them. And then we went to go sit on the porch. but I don't know why we had closed all the windows first. I think it was like the night before or something. And then we went to sit on the porch and the door locked behind us so we couldn't get back in. And we had to call the fire department. So that was cool.

Yeah. So maybe don't lock all your windows. Just leave one open. No. I'm kidding. Lock all your windows. I'm just kidding. The fire department is always there if you got locked out of your home.

And also just like at night stay in your house. Yeah. We were still in the house. We were just in the sunroom. When you're going to sleep, lock all your windows and doors. Yeah. That's all I'm saying. I stand by that.

Because all these people were asleep. I'm not saying it's their fault. I'm just saying that's a very unlawful thing. It's a nice precaution in something that we've learned from all this shit. That if you go to sleep, lock all your windows indoors. It tends to be an easy. They like walk up to the house and text, I forget which girl he was whispering to, but he's whispering to one of the girls.

And Wochek wakes up to Tex like over his face with a gun in his face. And he's like, Wochek is like, who are you? And that's when Tex says to him, I'm the devil and I'm here to do. the devil's work. Which can you imagine waking? Because he was on the couch, just sleeping on the couch. He was taking, like, it's the middle of the night. He's sleeping.

Like, it's 2.15 in the morning, like somewhere around there. And it's like, someone just puts a gun in your face. And you're like, uh, what? And he's like, I'm in the devil. And you're like, I'm here to do the devil's work. I feel like cool. Like glad. Like, is this a nightmare?

The fuck? Awesome. So the family gets everyone into one room. Um, Sharon Tate and Jay Sebring were in one room like just chatting because they were they were like good friends they had dated at one point but they were just talking they were up in bed talking and then abigail fulger was reading a book in bed and abigail folger is the heiress to the folger like coffee like coffee legacy like whatever though oh and she was the partner to woecheck yeah whoa check and abigail were dating yeah um okay think about that the next time you brew some

folders. Yeah, take of her. Just like say a quick prayer. Pour one out. Oh, just like pour pour like a coffee thing out. Pour one out. Pours me your beans out for Abigail. Pours some of your grounds. She's probably like, fuck you guys. I know. She's like you as are assholes. Oh, man. Man, Abby. We just dabbled. Um, okay, so they're, they get them into one room and they're trying to get them to lay down on the floor and they're like tying them together. And J.C. Brin gets really pissed off because he's super protective over Sharon Tate. And he's adorable. Well, and also because she's fucking eight and a half months pregnant. Eight and a half months pregnant.

Like she's about to have her baby. Yeah. Like in a couple weeks. And they're screaming at this woman to lay down on the floor. And like you can't lay down when you're not pregnant. If you've ever been eight and a half months pregnant, you know that breathing is hard enough. Laying down on the floor is just not an option. It's just not going to happen.

I mean, I don't personally know that, but I can imagine. Yeah. It's. So he gets wicked pissed off and he's like just trying to protect her and be like, yo, she's literally super pregnant. She can't do this. Yeah. He's like, just let her sit. Yeah, just literally if she can't lay down.

Right. This, like, stresses me out. This makes me angry. I know. So a scuffle ends up, like, breaking out between Jay and Tex. So Tex Watson and Jay Sebring start fighting because Tex is an asshole. And the scuffle. I actually have that written down assholes in huge letters.

Oh, my God, amazing. Boom. So basically he died, Jay Sebring dies protecting Sharon Tate. He gets stabbed and shot to death by Tex. Like, because he defended. her. Right. And actually, and I don't think, did he die at this point? From what I read, yes. Oh, man. And he was 35 years old. That's awful. So then as this is, as this scuffle kind of breaks out, Freikowski and Folger make a run for it, or make a break for it, excuse me, after they free themselves

of their ties and they run to the lawn. Text catches up with Freikowski, whose legs had been stabbed multiple times by Susan Atkins. Um, text beats, over the head with a gun multiple times, stabs him repeatedly, and shoots him twice. As this is going on, Crenwinkel runs after Fulger, stabs her, eventually tackles her to the ground, and Crenwinkel says, while she was stabbing her over and over again, that Abigail Fulger looks up at her and says, like, I'm already dead. Yeah, she just kept saying it. Like, I'm already dead.

I'm already dead. I'm already dead. Stop. And you fucking stab somebody so many times, like, she knows that she's going to die. Yeah. So, Tex comes over because he thinks he's done with Frankowski. and the two of them just start stabbing her together. And she was stabbed 28 times.

So Frankowski struggles across the lawn because he didn't die after Tex basically beat the shit out of him in an attempt to save Folger because that's his girlfriend. And he's finally murdered by Tex in a final series of stabbings. He was stabbed 51 times. Jesus. Talk about overkill. So Sharon Tate is still inside. She's begging for her child's life because, I mean, she's,

so close to having this baby. And she just says to them, like, let me have this, my baby, and I'll be a hostage for you. Just let me live long enough to, like, give birth to this child. It's awful. She was stabbed 16 times by Susan Atkins, and basically, like, her last words were she was crying out for her mother. That makes me. She was just going, mother, mother, mother. So sick.

Like, so sick. It's awful. And she was fucking pregnant, dude. Like, how do you stab? They, oh. And that should be, I don't know if it was,

but that should be two counts of murder in and of itself. I really should. I think now, I don't know if back then. Because I know with like the, Peterson. Lacey.

Lacey. Lacey. That's, I was like Lucy. Lacey Peterson. With the Lacey Peterson thing. He got charged for two? He got charged for both super pregnant.

Because she was. Because they treated Connor as a human because he was. Because he was. Yeah. He was another person. So I think now that's changed. I don't think it was back then.

But I know now it's a thing. a thing. Yeah. And you know one little like side thing that's really fucked up. When they were all outside attacking Freikowski, he was like screaming at the top of his lungs. And there was children camping nearby. Holy shit. From the Westlake school for girls, they were on a camping trip nearby. They heard him die. Like they heard him screaming. They heard Tex attacking him like, yeah. And I bet they never went camping again. And while that was going on, Linda Kasaby and the one who was the getaway driver. She was keeping watch.

And the one who only joined a month earlier. Yeah, she was fairly there. She was actually saying to them, like telling them to stop, like screaming at them to stop stabbing at him. Yeah. And Atkins just looked at her and said it's too late and walked back in the house. Oh my God. Susan Atkins. And they say that, I mean, all of these people are fucking crazy, but they say that Susan

Atkins was like legitimately like fucking nuts like yeah just like dark side of the moon shit you would have to be um she also tried to tell them that someone was coming and they didn't believe her oh really yeah and she was trying to basically stop it um also susan atkins said after stabbing or during the stabbing of Sharon Tate that she felt nothing oh I heard that too and I watched it today she goes I felt nothing yeah you're stabbing a pregnant woman who's begging for her life and You don't feel anything. And also, again, she was 26 years old. That's young.

Oh, and Susan Atkins had just had a baby. Oh. Like, maybe a few months earlier or like a couple. Like, she had just had a kid. Oh, that makes me sick. Yeah. So you were just pregnant and got to have your kid, but you're going to kill somebody else and their unborn child. And it's like, dude, I don't care.

That should change you. Because, so for her not to even think of that is like, whoa. It just shows how fucked up and heartless she is. Beyond. So she says she feels. felt nothing, and upon leaving the scene, she picks up a towel, which had previously been used to bind the hands. It was actually Crenwinkel. Crenwinkel did this? Oh, okay. So Crenwinkel picks up a towel, which had previously been used to bind the hands of the victims, and she

wrote Pig on the front door, like in all capital letters. And they actually, they were going originally, because they had tied Sharon Tate, J. C. Bring, and Fulger together with a rope, and then they slung the other one over a rafter. And like when they'd killed Jay, after they killed Jay, they like, like, text like pulled on the rope to make them stand up, pulled you in a, in a Tate. And that's when he like went after all of them. But he, Charlie had originally said hang someone.

Like hang. Oh, I didn't know that. And he said, make it look like a reverse lynching so that it looks like the black Panthers did it. Are hanging a white person. Are hanging white people. And then the police. will think it's the Black Panther.

Like, it'll be another thing to make it happen. Whoa. And so they originally were going to hang all the victims afterwards. But they literally said everything was too messy and we were tired. Fucking hippies, man. And Charlie was pissed too. Like, don't send a hippie to do any job. Because they were like, we were tired.

Like, we spoke too much. Like, it was messy. We were tired. We didn't feel like hanging them. Wow. Like, cool. And Tate was found, like, almost. almost naked.

And one of her breasts had been cut off as the result. And it was from as, like, because they stabbed her so many times. Resulting from stabbing so indiscriminately and so savagely that they had severed off one of her breasts. Holy shit. Yeah. And there was an X on her stomach carved in her stomach. Like, fuck you guys. Like, so not only did they like kill a pregnant woman, but then they literally put an X on her stomach.

Where her baby was. And Charles Manson said he didn't feel any compassion. for the victims when he heard what happened afterwards and that he was more pissed that they brought like less than a hundred bucks back from that. And Charlie actually went back that next day and wiped down the crime scene.

Oh. Or like a couple hours later. He went down, he went to the Tate residence, went back in there where all the bodies were, and wiped down the stuff of like evidence. Wow. Yeah. And he left an old pair of glasses there

to try to like fuck up the police, which I guess it kind of worked. Because they, like, started going towards that, the glasses. Yeah. Well, they found fingerprints later on. Well, that's, so clearly Charlie is not a criminal mastermind here because Charlie's not the best custodian. No.

Even though, doesn't he kind of look like he could be like a crazy fucking custodian? He does look like, he could be crazy. Just like, have a good day. Have a good day, kids. Do something with you and have a good day. The housekeeper, Winifred Chapman showed up for work at the Tate House in the morning, and she was the one that discovered the bodies.

Are you fucking kidding me, right? I wrote in parentheses, poor sweet angel. Oh, seriously. So if that wasn't enough excitement for one night, the next fucking night, August 9th, 1969, the family members drove to 3301 Waverly Drive in Los Felis. Manson accompanied them this time because he was really displeased with the chaos that ensued the night before, and he was going to show them how it was done. Oh, yeah.

So this was the home of, is it Lino? Leno. Leno and Roe. Leno and Rosemary La Bianca. And he was like a supermarket executive. And she was a dressmaker. She had a dressmaking shop. I think so.

And the home that they lived in was next door to a party that the Manson family had attended the year previous. So Manson and Tex went up to the house through an unlocked back door. Please lock your doors. But you know what? It was the fucking 60s and you didn't think about that shit then. No, but you know what? It sucks. Think about it now.

Yeah. Fucking now you know. Again, I say, fresh air is for dead people. Yeah. So it's a good shirt. Remember that. Manson woke up a sleeping Lino. Leno.

Leno. Why do I suffer? Woke up a sleeping Leno from the couch, holding him at gunpoint, and he had Watson bind his hands. Rosemary was then brought into the living room, and Watson covered the couple's head with pillowcases, and then tied the pillowcases around their neck with a lamp cord. I believe. Yeah, and actually, Manson went back to get Rosemary to bring her out, and he just whipped the covers off of her

and said, wake up, lady, you got company. Which makes perfect fucking sense for Manson. And then he left and said, have a good time. Well, and they were also, I think, at the tape murders, at some point, like in the very beginning,

text said to all of the people, all the victims. You got company? Like, no, he said, like, you have to die. First, tonight. Like, he basically told them, like, we're going to kill you.

Because when they originally went in there, they were like, they were just getting your money, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden he was like, we're going to kill you. And that's when they all freaked out and started fighting and running. Right. And it was bananas. So Charlie was like, when we go into this fucking house, no one fucking say that you're going to die. Like, don't tell them because then they're going to freak out. So this whole time he was telling Leno, we just want money.

Right. And Leno gave them money out of his wallet. And she gave them $70 out of her purse. That's what I read somewhere. And he also said, if you take me. to my store, I will give you a shit ton of money. Like, I'll give you all the money you want. Just take me to your store. So it's like, dudes, you could have just robbed them. Like, fuck. Like, it just pissed me up. I was like, don't imagine how much Sharon Tate had. She really had money in the house. And that's

funny. These people had no idea that they were in Sharon Tate's house. They didn't know. Well, because they were living on fucking Spong Ranch. None of them knew that it was Sharon Tate until they watched the, uh, the news reports the next day. So they had no idea. They came back from that tape murder with less than a hundred bucks. Right, and they could have easily had so much money. Yeah. Okay, so he says, Wake Up Lady You Got Company, which is just perfect for Manson. So she was brought into the living room, the pillowcases, and then they tied the pillowcases around their heads with a lamp cord. Manson then left and instructed Crenwinkel and Leslie Van Houghton to go inside

and kill the couple. And it was because he was a big, giant. bitch. Yeah. And he was originally going to get his, like, he was going to get in there and do it. And then he couldn't do it. And then he was like, I want to be part of this. And then he was like, I can't do it because these people are just sitting there complying with us. Right. These poor people are just being like, take what you want. Which I'm like, does Charlie have somewhat of the heart? Well, he's not as, I mean, he's not as evil on that plane. Level. Because it's like he looked at two people that, well, he could have some slight bit of empathy, because he looked at these people not fighting back and just complying with them. And

being like, take my money and have my money, and he couldn't kill them. But then he was like, my family members are fucking nuts. Yeah, he was like, let's go get Leslie Van Houghton and Patty Crenwinkel, and you guys go do it. Yeah. So he tells them to kill a couple. Tex begins stabbing Lino. Leno. Leno.

Fuck. What's his last name? Lobionca. Okay, so he starts stabbing Mr. Labianca with a chrome-plated bayonet, which I'm going to ask you, is a bayonet of It's like that gun with like the big sharp thing. Like poker? Yeah. Okay.

Whoa. At least I think that's what it is. The first thrust went into his throat. After stabbing Mr. La Bianca, text her to scuffle in the bedroom where Rosemary had returned to. So she somehow got back into her background. I think it was Charlie, if I remember correctly, brought her back into the room because he thought it would piss Leno off and get him fighting. But then he didn't. But it didn't.

They were still complying. They were just trying to comply. So that's when he left, got Leslie. and Patty. And we're like, you go in there. So they went into the bedroom where Rosemary was. Okay. So text her to scuffle. And he went in there probably because he didn't want this getting chaotic because Turner was going to get pissed again. And there was a scuffle because she heard her husband dying. Right. So she started fighting like a motherfucker. Yeah. She took the lamp that was around her neck and started just like swinging at them to keep them at bay. Like get the fuck away for me. Good for her, man. Like she fought. And Leslie said that she just kept Leslie Van Houghton. Fuck her, man.

She said that she kept just saying, please be still to her. Oh, my God. Like that, no, that's what she was saying to Rosemary. Oh, I thought Rosemary was saying that to her. Like, please be still. No, this woman is literally fighting because she's hearing the love of her life dying in the other room. And she's fighting her ass off. And Leslie, Van Houghton is like, and then I just told her, please be still.

Like, fuck you, Leslie. Like, as if I'm going to be like, okay, random bitch in my house. Like, you're literally sitting here being like, please be still. as I'm listening to your friend and my husband. She said that. She was probably trying to be like, I was so gentle. I hate Leslie, that wasn't so much. I was the homecoming queen and I was gentle.

I don't know why. She pisses me. Maybe it's because she thinks she deserves to get out of jail. Yeah? Like the other ones are at least like, yeah. We deserve. We did. But she's like, I'm different than I want.

And I'm like, no, you're not stupid bitch. So she was trying to keep them up bay and she kept swinging the lamp. That was, I think it was still tied around her neck. Probably. And she. was just trying to get them away from her. Tex stabbed her with Bannette and then returned to the living room where he continued

attacking Mr. Labyanka. He'd been stabbed a total of 12 times and his body was then mutilated by, I read Tex and then I also read Susan Atkins who carved war into his exposed abdomen. Yeah, I read it was Tex that carved war.

Oh, excuse me. So Susan Atkins later said that it was Crenwinkel who did this. But I believe Tex owned up to it. Yeah, I think it was. Yeah, text I believe. I believe said he did it. So Susan Atkins is just being crazy. Yeah, she's just fucked. Tex returns to the bedroom where he finds Crenwinkel stabbing Rosemary with a knife

that she took from the kitchen. And Manson had instructed texts that both women needed to play a part. Like, they were both to murder. They only did their hands dirty. So Tex instructed Leslie Van Houghton to participate. Van Houten later said that La Bianca was already dead when she participated. And the autopsies do show that many of the 41 stab wounds were post-mortem. That's, and

see, I think she's a bullshitter. Oh, I do too. I don't think she was already dead, but they said that when Patricia, because Patricia did the first stab for Rosemary and stabbed her in the back, and she severed her spine. Oh, my God. So she was paralyzed. So she wasn't moving. So I'm sure she thought she was, maybe she thought she was dead. But it was just that

she wasn't moving. But then the more she did it, the more fun she was, like, she was having fun with it. And she said, I was obsessed with the night. And she said, I was obsessed with the Once it went in, it just kept going in and in and in. Like, yeah, that's what happened. But definitely left her asshole. Yeah. But yeah, you think that you're good enough to, I can't.

And I actually have a clip of Leslie Van Houten talking about the murder real quick. Oh, damn. So we're going to play that real quick. Pat and I took Mrs. Lobionka into the bedroom. Like, mostly what's going on? What are you going to do? I try to hold Mrs. La Bianca down. And her head was covered with a pillowcase.

I don't know if I did that, I could have. And she heard her husband dying in the living room. Who killed him? Tax. Stabbing him, too? Yes. And when she heard, she struggled. And Pat went to stab her, and the knife bent.

And she was yelling out for her husband. And by that time, I was very torn inside. You know, I felt that I needed to really almost be a good soldier in this mission that had to be done, and I was not. Also saying, why am I here, or did you not question why? I don't even know if I could have put that together. I wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible. How was she killed eventually? She was stabbed.

I went in that called Tex, and I said that we weren't able to kill her. And then Tex went in the bedroom. And Patton went into the living room. And I went and I stood in the hallway. And then Tex turned me around, and he handed me a knife, and he said, do something. And so I went in, and Mrs. La Bianca was laying on the floor. And I stopped her. Where?

Around 16 times. So. Okay, Leslie. Yeah, bitch. Right. Rot in jail. Yeah, for abs. Bye.

Sir Tex is cleaning off the bayonet and fucking showers in their house. He took a fuck. fucking shower. Of course he did. Like, you're not company, bro. You're an intruder. And Crenwinkel wrote on the walls, Rise, Death to Pigs, and she wrote, not Helter Skelter, she wrote Heelter Skelter on the refrigerator door. How many times did she probably see that phrase written down? I just think it goes to show that these people are very dumb. And it's like, you couldn't get it right when you needed to get it right, heelter Skelter. Well, and she was probably wicked fucked up on drugs. When you're know they also left a knife stuck in Leno's throat?

Yep, because she then gave Mr. Labyanka 14 more puncture wounds with a carving fork, and she left that jutting out of his stomach, and then she also planted a steak knife in his throat. Jesus Christ. So while all that was ensuing, Manson left. Like, he didn't just, like, wait outside. He legitimately pieced the fuck out and went back to the ranch. And I think he literally told them when they were leaving.

He was like, yeah, I just, like, get a ride back. Yeah, he said he told them to hitchhike home. And I wrote in parentheses, what a guy. Yeah. What a guy. The La Bianca scene was discovered on August 10th, around 1030 p.m., which was 19 hours after the crime had been committed. Rosemary had a 15-year-old son from a previous marriage. His name was Frank Struthers, I think is how you say it.

And he'd returned home after a camping trip. And he was disturbed by the fact that the shades were still drawn. And then, like, I wrote and some other shit. Because something like a boat was still attached. to his stepdad's car, which was off, I guess. So he called his sister and her boyfriend, and the boyfriend, who's Joe Dorgan, accompanied Frank, into the house where they discovered Mr. La Bianca.

But luckily, they didn't find the mom. They just, like, called the police. But the LAPD, like, didn't really know how to do their job, apparently. No. And they announced to the press on August 12th that there was no connection between the T and La Bianca writers. They, like, no connection. Which, are you kidding?

Would you, like, seriously? So that's what I have for the Law Bianca murders. So why don't you start with the aftermath because I don't have a ton about it? And I feel like you're better at the investigation and trial. So by the way, we're not going to do this in three parts. Oh, yeah, this is going to be a two-partner. We're just going to give it you all right now. Give it you all.

We're just going to give it you all. It's really hot. I'm helter sweltering right now. And so over this next week, L.A. went bananas because this happened in two days and they were so gruesome and so awful and I mean come on LAPD like they didn't these are late it was like in this time period the LAPD was like what's our job though like it was like so they didn't connect them of course this was this was to be fair this was before serial killers were like known to be a thing so people didn't

automatically connect things and be like this must be the same person but if you have We have three different cases where there's weird writing and blood on the walls. You think it's two days apart from each other? Yeah. The same, like crazy writing on the walls and shit. Like, I don't know. After, you know, the LAPD is like, yeah, we don't see anything even kind of remotely similar about this. They're not linked.

And everybody's like, probably, though. The ranch was raided for the first time. Yeah. And it was raided not for the murders. For auto theft. For the family stealing VWs and turning them into dune buggies. just such a fucking hippie thing to do. Everything is so hippie.

Well, and those June buggies were what they were using to, like, build their underground city in the bottomless pit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They got off on a technicality, though. But when they got there, they were like, this is weird that, like, a bunch of people are just living together in this weird place. So the charges for that, the technicality that they got off on was that they wrote the wrong date on the search warrant. So good job. So like go LAPD.

So. Oh, they also seized a bunch of weapons, too. They found like a ton of weapons on the ranch. Yes. And they were like, interesting question mark. And that's, so when they were raided, Charlie was like, so someone snitchin. But he was like, it can't be any of my family members because they are such upstanding citizens that there's no way that these amazing group of men and women would ever turn their back on me.

However. So there was a man named Donald Shorty Shea. same zies and he was a stunt man that was working on Spawn Ranch he like took care of the horses Charlie and him did not like each other to begin with

and Charlie was like it's that guy like he's snitching I know it even though like who the hell even knows if this guy knew so they figured Charlie was like you know what

we gotta take care of him so this is when Charlie actually did have involvement he doesn't admit to it he says he still didn't have any he said he was there he just said he didn't do it So this was about 20 days after the murders occurred.

It was around August 28th, 1969. So it was Charlie, Tex, a guy named Bruce Davis, Steve Grogan, Bill Vance, and Larry Bailey, who are all family members. Okay. They took Shave or a ride. Right in the middle of this ride. Rogan struck him with a pipe wrench from the back seat, and Tex started stabbing him in the car, like out of nowhere. So they took him behind Spawn Ranch to like a hill area. And they just stabbed him to death out there.

Charlie said he was there, but he didn't do anything. Like, he was still just telling people what to do. So he was like, yeah, I don't want to do anything. His body wasn't found until December, 1977. Holy shit. Brogan had to actually draw a map to his remains because there was this rumor that he was cut into nine pieces. Was he, though? I don't know.

Wow. I don't know if it's been substantiated. But so Charlie, like, when he was living, when people would ask him about it, he was like, I don't want to be a snitch, so I'm not going to give you details about it. Like, he wouldn't give them where his body was. He wouldn't give him anything because he was like, I don't want to be a snitch. Because he was fucking brought up in the prison system. Like, fuck off, man.

Yeah, you're still not, man. So this is, when he did this, this is when he had the family, like, ready for war. Like, he was like, it's happening. Whoa. In their minds, it was happening right now. Yeah. So that's when the second raid happened on the ranch for auto theft and possession of stolen firearms. Charlie wasn't there for that.

Then there was another rate on August 12th, 1969, Charlie was there. And he was arrested, correct? He hid. Want to know where he hid? He was curled up in a tiny cabinet beneath a sink when they found him. And the reason they found him was because some of his hair was sticking out of it. Oh, my God, Charlie. And the police officer said that he never would have looked in there because it was so teeny tiny.

But his hair was poking out. But his hair was sticking out. Because Charlie, it's fucking luscious locks. I mean, they weren't so luscious towards the end. fucking hippie. So hippie. I just hit the lamp. I'm sorry if you can hear that.

Ding, ding, ding, ding. So he got arrested. They all got arrested. They all got arrested. Like a bunch of them got arrested. I relate to Charlie because I feel like my hair would out me. Your hair would out me.

You would get caught. Yeah. I would. And so they were all like, the family was arrested for like firearms possession. Like basically traffic violations kind of thing. Yeah, like minorish things. Small time crook things. So they were so excited that they were arrested for that.

And that they were like, get out of here. Oh my God. That they started singing all over the place. Like they were all just singing. But the shit that they were singing was fucked up. Was from the white album. So the police.

What a bunch of fucking morons. Because that's what they'd been listening to. So they were just like, we're just going to sing this. So then the police were like, huh. You guys really like the Beatles. You like the Beatles. You heard a helter skilter? Somebody wrote heelter skilter.

Which I'm going to go on a limb and say they meant to write helter-skilter. Well, yeah. Huh. So somehow, somehow this connected back to the biker gangs that they were selling shit to. I got a little, like, complicated. Because the biker gangs were still pissed at the family. Exactly. And the biker gangs said that Charlie was trying to hire them as bodyguards when, like, he started coming on them.

Right. And while he was doing this, he was alluding to the idea that they were involved in these murders. He never came out and said it. But that's why they needed help. He's definitely alluding it to it. So, of course, everything's starting to come in. They're all like, hmm, this is all starting to connect. And then fucking Susan Atkins bragged to her cellmate that she was part of the murders.

Which, of course, it all comes down to fucking crazy Sue. So that's when it all fucking crumbled. Like, they were just like, well, cool, Sue. Also, why is that, like, a brag? Because she's a fucked up monster. Yeah. Like, she's just like, she probably just wanted to start, like, running shit. And she was like, let me tell you what I did.

Yeah. I killed a defenseless pregnant woman who begged for her. mother like cool you're a super badass susan ugh fuck off i think she's dead i want to check that i'll google it because i want to like be like fuck you susan you keep talking and i'll goog yeah fuck susan so december 1st 1969 techs crenwinkle and casabian were picked up and because like fingerprints were found at the tate residence because charlie did an awesome job cleaning up um they also found the clothes and knives and the revolver that they used that night because they just tossed that shit out the window that night. Like they just tossed them into a field. So it's like good job.

Side note, Susan Atkins died of a brain tumor. Ha ha ha ha. I thought she did. Ha ha ha. Bye. So it was June 15th, 1970 was the first day that Charlie went to court. Right now they had Tex Krenwinkel and so they had text Krenwinkel, Susan Atkins. they had Casabian and they also picked up Leslie Van Houghton, who was part of the La Bianca workers. Murders. La Bianca murders. She was part of the La Bianca murders.

What was she part of? She was part of the La Bianca Murders. Say it one more time. La Bianca murders. Oh, that made a sad. Yeah. Whoa. Moving on.

So this is Linda Casabian, the one that had only joined a month before the take. murders and was the driver and was trying to tell them to stop allegedly. Quote, unquote. But she still didn't have a total part in it, like, physically. She became, she flipped. Like, flipped on Charlie. Like, boom, I've only been a part of this a month. Fuck you guys.

I don't want to go down for this. Right. So she became the prosecution's main witness, like star witness. Because she was fucking right there. She flipped and got immunity because of this, so. Which I don't really know if she should have gotten immunity. I mean, I don't know. But they had to do what they had to do.

They got a lot of info from her. So Manson, Atkins, Crenwinkel, and Ben Houghton were all on one, like, their charges were all happening. And then Tex had a separate trial. Okay. They were all up on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy. Okay. Manson wanted to act as his own attorney, a la Bundy. Woof.

Bundy definitely, like, did a better job. He did. Manson, don't ever try to act as your own anything. Exactly. And so he was so bananas, like, cuckoo nut man, that they were like, yeah, you can't do that. Like, they just said no. Like, they were like, we can't let you. You're insane. Like, you're not clinically insane, but you're insane. Well, the courtroom would have just been like a fucking crazy. It would. It would have been insane. And so they were like, no. So because of this, he showed up on the first day of trial with an ex carved into his forehead because they didn't let him be an attorney. So he exed himself out. That's what he said. Like, this was him exing himself out of society. because the thought process. So that at that point, all the family members showed up with exes carved into their own foreheads. Jesus. Including not just the other defendants, like all the outside families and Van Houghton and Watkins and all them.

People, parts of the members of the family were gathered outside of the courthouse, like protesting him being in the trial. Well, they were kneeling. They said they were going to kneel outside the courtroom until he was acquitted. And they would show up. So they showed up with the exes on their forehead. They're all singing his songs. They're all like, you. you know, doing whatever.

Do you think they believed, like, the other members who weren't there, do you think they believed that they didn't do it? I think what they were saying, I think, was that he didn't have anything to do with it and that he should be free because he's, like, a guru. Okay. And he's a love bug sent from above, basically. A love bug, I love that. I think that's not a quote, but.

I don't think so. I'm sure one of them would have said it. I wouldn't, like, that wouldn't be out of place. sent from above. Flowers. Filter, skeelter. Healtor, skilter. Yelter, squelter, because I'm sweating my ass off right now.

Hulter swelter in. So it was, some of the people that were sitting outside were, like, names that people might know are Sandra Good and Squeaky Frome. Squeaky Frome was a big one out there. For me? I'll play a quick little clip of her telling them why, like, why Charlie's where it's at and why he didn't do anything and we need to just love him. Sweeks. So here you go, Squeaks.

He's a once in a lifetime soul. He's a spirit. He's got a lot of spirit. He's got more heart and spirit than anyone I've ever met. And he's truthful. Oh, I definitely went after him. When I saw that he wasn't pushing and that he had spirit and that he understood me, I went.

To this day, Firm insists Manson is innocent. She says during the Tate La Bianca murders, she was at the Spawn Ranch with other family members. She doesn't recall where Manson was, but claims he didn't kill anyone. I know he didn't. I have no question about that. He definitely should be out.

He didn't kill anybody. And I take responsibility for that. I would rather be in, because I know I laid a lot of my thinking in his mind. So yeah. So that's what Squeeke said. So Squeaky had no

nothing to do with the murders. So she just kind of like was like, I don't know, I'm just Squeegy from. But. Great name. She got a great name on of it. She really did. She really did.

Even though it came from a nasty ass place. But it's cute. And she was cute. Yeah, she was. Unfortunately. So she didn't do anything. She's out now, I think. Like she was sentenced to life in prison,

but I think she's out. Wait, did she go? Did she? She went to prison for pulling the gun on, Ford. Oh, right, right, right. Okay. She was supposed to go for life. I think she's out now, though. Oh, shit. She didn't go for this because she had nothing to do with it.

Okay. I was just confused for a second. I was like, wait, did I miss a huge part of this? Well, and then family members started threatening people, like, former family members to keep them from testifying. Because they didn't want Charlie to get put in jail. That was their main focus was getting Charlie out of here. Right. And everything, like, like, all the interviews they would give with people, because people are, like, fascinated by this. Because they're so fascinating. was they would be like, Charlie didn't do it and he's going to get out. And I'm waiting for him to come out. Like, we're going to sit here until he comes out because he's coming out.

But he did it. Sorry, ladies, he did that. You think they ever got over it? So, I don't think so. Wolf. I don't think so. So October 5th, Manson was denied the opportunity to question the prosecution's witness. So his response was to jump over the defense table at the judge.

Oh, you know, that's a great idea. Like crazy. Like he like pounced at the judge. Good. So the judge was keeping a gun under his robes at this point because he was like this guy's ready to shoot Manson. Yeah. So at the point when this happened, all the girls, like the family members stood up and were

chanting in Latin. Like in the courtroom. Scary. Like what the fuck? As all hell. Yeah. Like what? Because they were still on that fucking.

It was on that Bella Donna ride. Yeah. They were driving a fucking Donna ride. floating through the clouds on a fog of Beladonna. I don't ever want to do that. There are some things that I would like maybe do, but Beladana is not one of them.

You're not doing Beladona. No, I don't want to. I don't want to Beladona. I'm good. So November 16th, the prosecution rested and three days later the defense rested because they were like, you know what? We just need to press.

Let's just go. January 25th, 1971. Guilty verdict. against Charles, Atkins, Krenrenrenrenkel, and Ben Howden. Again, text was tried separately, but he was obviously found guilty as well. So after they found out that he was guilty, he shaved his head immediately the next day. And then all of them did. I'm the devil and the devil always has a bald head.

What? Like, okay. Like, cool. I mean, I guess. Charlie, what is your reasoning? Where did your reasoning skills come in? Yeah. And so all the other members, literally all of them shaved their heads too.

like all the girls outside. Oh yeah. All with shaved heads and exes carved into their forehead. They looked wild. And there is a lot, like, I'm going to play a quick clip just so I can like really press what dicks these girls are that were on. Because they all look like super nice grandmas now. But fuck them because they're evil monsters who literally killed a pregnant woman and like,

fuck you. So these girls would come because they have a lot of like footage of them walking down the hallway towards the courtroom. Because they were always holding hands. And every day they would show up with an ex on their forehead or their head shaved or like the same outfit on. Like, they were a circus. And here's a quick clip of them just jauntily singing as they go to their murder trial. Yeah.

Literally you're gross. Yeah, like, get the fuck out of here. And then Leslie's sitting there now being like, I should be let out. I'm like so old. Really? You're fucking 68. You can sit there for a while more. So they were all sentenced to die, all of them.

But then the death penalty was like, you know, a moratorium on it in California. So less than a year later, it was commuted to life in prison for all of them. Which is better. It is because now they can. And honestly, it's, it is better because now we get to watch these people go through parole hearings and beg to be let out. Just like other people begged for their lives and you didn't give them their lives. So why would we give you your freedom? Exactly.

Fuck tards. So basically everybody knows after that Charlie, you know, was just crazy to watch. he had several ladies want to marry him in prison, which seriously ladies. Yeah. The latest one was like Star, I think her name was. But then he found out that she just wanted to take his corpse after he died and like travel around with it. Did she really? Yeah, she like literally did.

Like that was her plan. It was after he died. She was going to like travel around with his body. Like she wanted to get him to sign over. His bodies. And he was like, yeah, but you're crazy. And he was like, you are not using my shit to like. like get like for like a freak show yeah because he was like no he's like my whole life was

yeah he's like no way man once a damn done which i mean at least he had that so uh and obviously he died last year so all right n p not peace woo hear that yeah you heard it here first and just as like a little thing that this is the thing i wanted to mention can i say what's written in all capital letters yes in your notes Sharon Tate's mama was a fierce lady. That's literally what it says in all capital letters in my note. Oh, that's weird about her mom's name was Doris too, because Doris Day. I think that's like a big name in the time.

Yeah, for sure. So her name was Doris Tate, Sharon Tate's mama. Oh, her sister's a fierce lady too. Her sister has carried on this legacy, which go them, man. Good job on the Tate family. Because I would have been completely destroyed. And Doris Tate, her mama, she helped get the Victims Bill of Rights passed, which allows for victim impact statements passed in California in 1982.

So she's the one that allowed like victim impact statements to have an impact, like an actual impact on the case. So all 50 states now allow victims to speak either written or orally at certain phases of the legal process. And that's according to the National Center for Victims of Crime. She later founded the coalition on Victims' Equal Rights and worked literally the rest of her life towards victims' rights. Because of this. In 1992, right before her death that year at age 68. Oh, my God.

Wow, that's an early death. Yeah. Which, I mean, she went to the worst. I was going to say. President George H.W. Bush. W. honored her as one of his thousand points of light. Which is a big deal.

Yeah. So she said, so this is just a quote from her. She said, you can't make sense out of the innocent slaughter of Sharon and the other victims. The most that I or any person touch my violence can hope for is acceptance of the pain. You never forget it, not even with the passage of time. But if in my work I can help transform Sharon's legacy from murder victim to a symbol for victim's rights, I will have accomplished what I set out to do. Oh, my gosh.

And she's also, she went to all the parole hearings. And she would literally look at these people when they would be like, you know, like, I think I should be let out because I have like, changed and I'm a model behavior and like they'd like beg for their thing and she would literally sit there in front of them and be like did you give my fucking daughter mercy when she was begging for her life like she would literally sit there and be like really fuck her like good she would not let these people sit there and try to get sympathy she was like you does and she would say you deserve nothing like you don't deserve anything like I don't care if you're gonna

sit there and pretend that Charlie brainwashed you and that you didn't know what you were doing like fuck off you did it you did it still and like good for her because she yeah hell know that her sister is keeping, because she's gone to every one of Leslie Van Houten's Pearl hearings. And you know, just a side note that she, like, sometimes she'll go to, like, visit her sister's grave, obviously. And it's like, there's still people that fall, like, are Manson's followers, quote, unquote. And they left, like, a jar of broken glass at Sharon Tate's grave and then jumped out

at her and started, like, yelling at her. What? Yeah, isn't it so fucked up? Seriously, like, what kind of, I don't get it, man. Like, like, I don't get it. I don't understand An innocent person Like totally innocent person

They just don't give a fuck They suck man So we done did it So there's Charlie Manson That was my first case I covered Yay you did so good And you did that end though But that's okay

Yeah then got boring So I was just like The end got boring No I'm just kidding It got kind of complicated Yeah I was just like I don't know Technicalities by Yeah it's really just

I just know that I'm a hippie and I'm tired Like I said, the meat and the potatoes were the murders. The mothers. You know. So, yeah, that's Charlie Manson. And I think we don't have what we're going to do next week because I'm still trying to decide, but it's not going to be a heavy hitter. It's going to be something a little more obscure.

Yeah, we want to do an obscure thing. Because I know a lot of people dug that Diatlov Pass. what episode we did about the you know the crazy dead Russian and the movies and shit those are kind of fun so I'm going to do one like that I'm going to find one that's kind of obscure kind of like conspiracy theorist

I think so we're gonna we'll announce it because this is going to post in a couple days but I'll announce it as soon as I know which one we're going to do so you guys can get super psyched for it super duper psyched and I won't do basicist research I'll do the most like a notch above I spent so much time researching this.

It's true. I'm proud of you. Yeah. Today, Annie's mom walked into the living room and she was like, what are you doing? And I was like watching a Charles Mather documentary. Hello. You know, no big deal. Hello. Okay.

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