Morbid - Terrifying HometownTales with Two Girls One Ghost!

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

Friends! We finally got to sit down with Corinne and Sabrina from Two Girls One Ghost podcast and let me tell you, it was love. We took turns telling tales from each other's hometowns and with this episode Alaina dove into the legend of Champ from Corinne's hometown and Corinne told us the tragic and harrowing tale of the Coconut Grove Nightclub fire in Boston. This is a two parter, with Part 1 (and different spooky tales!) being on their feed, so check it out!Go listen to all that Two Girls One Ghost has to offer!http://twogirlsoneghost.com/ Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid. It's a whole fucking morbid. A whole ass morbid. Bitch. That's right. We're here.

And we're finishing up the Bridgewater Triangle. Oh my God, I'm glad you said Bridgewater because you kept saying Bermuda. I know. Yesterday and I was like, are we doing a different case? You're like, what's happening? Did we switch gears here? What are we doing? We did not.

We are still on the Bridgewater Triangle. It's a lot of fucked up shit to talk about. It is. And today is not going to be as lighthearted and fancy-free as last time was. There won't be a lot of talk about, you know, offended big feet. Big foot feet. Big foot feet. Because unfortunately, also if you hear snoring in the background, that is my dog.

Puggles be sleeping. If unfortunately this episode we're going to be going into the darker shit. The real murdery shit. We're still going to touch upon a couple of little lighthearted things that we can boop-boop about, but... Then we can boop-boop-boop-boot. You know. But then we're really going to venture

into the bowels of hell. That is my homeland. That's where we're venturing today. It's actually where I'm from. And before we jump in, we just had a couple things we wanted to mention. Like the crazy revelation by our beautiful Australian listener,

Kate O'Donohue. Hey, Kate. Who, she was the first one that we got the message from this about, and she wanted to let us know, because it's crazy. Are you ready? Apparently, a model named Bailey Schneider in Melbourne.

I don't know. Wait, do you guys say Melbourne down there? Because we have Melbourne, Melbourne or Melbourne. Melbourne or Melbourne? I just lost all thoughts. You just stared at me and was like, Melbourne. I was like, I don't remember anything.

I just malfunctioned. Real quick. I don't know where I am. I think it's Melbourne. I think it's Melbourne. Yeah, either one. In Australia. Unfortunately, this part is not funny at all.

This model, Bailey Schneider, who was only, what, 25 years old. I think 25. She was found unconscious in her parents' house with a gold cord tied tightly around her neck. I believe it was seen as like a self-harm kind of. of incidents. But the real kicker with this whole thing is that she has a boyfriend or had a boyfriend at the time of her death. You want to know who that boyfriend is? Can I tell them? Yep, you can. Anthony Hample, aka. Aunt. From Phoebe Hanschuk. Phoebe, guys.

Guys, two of his girlfriends mysteriously died. I'm just, I'm just giving you facts. And they're both being touted as, you know, they had a. Wild suicides. Yeah, and they were like, you know, boozing before and they had problems. These troubled girls. Yeah, just very troubled and all this. This is shady as fuck. Here I am telling you that that's not a fucking coincidence, bro.

If that's a coincidence, then this is the most unlucky man. Two of your girlfriends died previously? No. It's definitely, and a couple of other listeners were like quick to tell us about it. So we want to thank you guys for bringing it to our attention because it blew our minds today. A little fucked up. So we just wanted to point that out. And maybe we'll even cover that case because, I don't know, pretty interesting.

Definitely spooky. So we might take on that case at a later date. So stay tuned. You know what? I have to say. What do you have to say? The husband always did it. He did.

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So quick little thing from last week, we talked about profile rock. In case you just need a quick little refresher is thought to be really sacred ground by Native Americans and just all people, really, because it's supposed to be the profile of Chief Massasoyant, who was King Phillips, Fajja. Faja. So that was pretty cool. And we were like, yeah, it's a cool spot, definitely. The day after we released our episode.

It fucking crumbled to the ground. It crumbled to the fucking ground mysteriously. It crumbled to the evil fucking ground in the Woodrowder Triangle. And we're not saying that we did it. We didn't do it. But how fucking weird is that the day before we recorded the episode? Yeah. One of my best friends texted me and she was like, uh, dude and sent me the link.

And it's like, we didn't make that happen. I promise. Nope, nope, nope, nope. But what a bummer. Huge bummer. That's actually really shitty. Yeah. So that was just a real.

That was a little bummer. Hate that coincidence. To get you in the mood for the rest of the episode. And I just wanted to say that we are not going to be covering Lizzie Borden today, even though I know that that is one that everybody's like, oh, hello, fall river, Lizzie Borden. We have plans, okay? We got big plans for Lizzie. We're not telling you what our fucking plans are, but I've got some serious fucking plans.

They're real plans. I'm scared. And these plans are coming to fruition in the fall. So stay tuned. October. we will be covering Lizzie Borden, and we're going to be covering it in a big way. In a wink, wink, huge way.

Nudge, so don't worry. We will get to Lizzie, I promise. I'm not just skipping over her in this whole thing. No way. And just as a right before, we're jumping right into this, but next week we figure is a perfect transition from the Bridgewater Triangle into a pretty big hitter. Can I tell them?

Tell them. The Boston Bean Town Strangling. Yeah, yeah. So next week, we will be transitioning right into our very own awful serial killer. Woo! So let's start. Now, last week we did mention the legend of puck wajis. We did. And we just kind of briefly went over them, so I just want to give, we're not going to spend a whole lot of time on puck wajis because...

Everybody remembers. Yeah. I don't want one wandering into my house, so I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on it. E no wantchew. He know watchy. No. So these creatures are basically little trolls. They're like little gray, just hairy trolls.

They're about two to three feet tall. They're supposed to have, they can glow on occasion apparently, which is pretty convenient and nice, I would think. Yeah, you know. You're dark. They're kind of, they have like, they're notorious for being very mischievous and causing a lot of mayhem. And not a lot of, it's like mischievous. Kee-hee, look at those puck wudgeys. They're silly. It's not cute. No, they do some pretty

shitty things. They will intentionally scare the shit out of you and just think that's funny. I mean, that's funny. That I get. But they'll also throw rocks or sand in people's faces. That's just inconsiderate. That's bordering on shitty. Yeah. No, I don't even think it's bordering. I think it's just pretty shitty. Well, and then they'll also like push you, trip you, kidnap you. What? Yeah. I mean, you know. know. Like they're two to three feet tall. Don't fucking kidnap me. Pretty chill. Can we just stop talking about them? I just want to know. Like has someone come back from being kidnapped? It'd been like,

I got kidnapped by a fucking puck wudgy. I was just fucking held hostage by a bunch of puck wotchies. What do they want from us? I don't know. I don't really know, but they'll kidnap you. Or they'll throw you from cliffs. Oh. So. That's casual. It gets pretty, pretty intense, pretty fast. Yeah, like that steadily climbed. There's really no gray area with Pukwajis. They're either just being silly or they're throwing rocks in your face and hurling you off a cliff. Either they're going to trip you or fucking kill you.

Yeah. And if they don't do that, then they're going to try to cut you with knives or spears. Awesome. So if you see one, you'll know because it's a little glowing troll. And you should run. Just go the other way. Really fast. Yeah.

I don't recommend having a conversation with it, trying to get to know it. finding out what its sign is. I don't think you should do any of that. Like, just go the other way. Yeah. You know, just pretend you don't see them. Definitely. But unfortunately, they're also magical so they can shape shift.

What? So maybe if you see anything while you're walking in the Bridgewater Triangle, just go the other way. Yeah. Because it could be a Pukwaji. Even if it's like a hedgehog, just go the other way. Wow. So that sucks. Maybe just don't go walking in the Bridgewater Triangle.

Yeah, that's Puckwodji's. So the next thing I just want to talk about is referred to as the ledge. Oh. It's in the Freetown State Forest, which is the spookiest place. Won't catch me there. Won't catch me there either. And it's pretty infamous. It's an 80-foot-deep rock quarry.

Whoa. It's actually called a sonnet ledge, but it's just known as the ledge. Kind of like the nip. The nip. Like, we make things cool here. We're like, the nip. It's just like, the ledge. Like, we don't want to say that whole shit.

That reminds me I've never been kissed where it's like the court. Exactly. It's exactly that. I think it is the court, right? I could be wrong. Yeah, it's the court. Yeah, it definitely is. Whatever. And a sonnet is Wampanog for Place of Stones.

Which makes sense because it's a rock quarry. So that works. Also, somebody very nicely mentioned that they usually pronounce Wampanog as Wapenog. And I was pronouncing it Wapenog. noag, I think. Oh, okay. Which I knew it was Wampanog. I don't know why I chose to pronounce it, like, phonetically.

So thank you for pointing that out, because you were right. We were wrong. So thank you. But, yeah, so it was once owned by the Fall River Granite Company, like, a long time ago. Now it's just a big old rock quarry ledge. Love it. But it has become associated with a lot of shitty dark things and, like, weird stuff. Ooh.

It has a weird amount of abandoned cars that. are left there. That's creepy. And police say that people who steal cars like to drive them off that ledge and just into the water. Oh. So the water probably has like a ton of just like rotting cars at the bottom of it, which is weird. Do they get out of the car first? I assume. But I think they just like start it and let it like, you know, like neutral. Put it in neutral and just let it go off the edge, which could be kind of fun to do. Okay, I wanted to say that, but I didn't know if I was allowed because I was like, that sounds pretty fun. I'm not going to do it. Well, maybe if like my car, was like shitty and I knew I couldn't trade it in.

There you go. Just let it go into neutral and... Yeah, but I wouldn't... Take a Thelma and Louise off of a sonnet ledge. Yeah, but I wouldn't be in the Freetown State Forest. No, I would not even. I guess I'll have to miss out on that. Unfortunately, it's also been the location for at least 18 confirmed suicides.

Oh. Yeah. I don't have like the details of all these suicides or anything, but 18 is a lot. Yeah, and that's just confirmed. Which it makes sense, I mean, it's a very... It's a really high ledge, you know? Like, it's a easy place to, unfortunately. So in one instance, there was,

because there's also been a lot of accidental, like, deaths falling over that because. Because it's probably, like, hard to get your footing and whatnot. Yeah, and people like to camp out around there. And then, I mean, if you're, you could easily lose your footing around it. Right. In fact, shortly before Halloween, 2007, a 32-year-old man named Paolo S. Olivera,

accidentally fell to his death over the ledge while camping with his girlfriend and friends. Oh, wow, that's really sad. Apparently he got up to, because they had a fire like 20 feet from the ledge, and then he went over to pour gasoline over the edge, which I'm not really sure why you would do that. But I think he just lost his footing and fell.

Or maybe leaned over too much, and he fell. Oh, my God, that gives me like anxiety. And he died of internal injuries, obviously, so that's a bummer. People who have gone to the ledge have reported which this is really freaky, and I think we mentioned it in the last one, but this just like, I hate this. They feel this weird, they feel this real sense of dread and like foreboding feeling. They say like in like a sick feeling.

And then they also say that they feel like compelled to jump over this side. Like they get this weird sense like I need to jump off this. They don't most of the time. But they'll say like I really felt like somebody was like mentally pushing me over the side. Oh my God, that stresses me out beyond that shit. Which is really creepy. In 2004, a man who was there with his friends and his girlfriend actually leapt to his death. Jesus. And his family said he had no history of depression, never expressed any suicidal thoughts. Like, even his girlfriend was like, he suddenly just jumped over this thing. Oh my God, I can't even imagine. Yeah. There are also,

this is, this is super spooky. There's a lot of reports of people seeing a woman dressed in white jump over the ledge, like the ghost of a woman dressed in white, jump over the ledge, and right before she hits the water, she just disappears. That's terrifying. And she'll just take, like, a flying leap off of it. I just got goosebumps, thanks. So people say they, like, see, like, ghosts jumping off the ledge. Like, that's terrifying.

Yeah, I hate that. And people who live around a sonnet and the ledge in particular say that this is really creepy. They say that the woods scream. Oh, okay. Like they emit this strange screaming sound that can't really be explained. No, thank you. And so they're like, the woods literally scream. Like they wail.

Can you do it? I like when you do the screams. And you're like, what was that? Can you imagine just like driving by the woods and it's like, and you're like, I'm going to go faster now, bye. I feel like, Forest, are you okay? Did somebody push you? Do we need to talk?

Do you want to talk about something? Do you want to have a cup of coffee? All right. There's a Starbucks down the street. Yeah, it's fine. Come on. Come on, trees. Let's get through this.

Let's go. We can get through this for us. Did trees have coffee? I don't know. Totally. Put you a decap. The ledge was also the site of a really infamous UFO sighting made in a 1974.

That's cool. By then Governor Ronald Reagan. Oh, shit. So Reagan was like, no, I saw this. I saw on a UFO. And he, why was he in the Freetown Street Forest? Well, he was flying in a Cessna over the ledge. Oh.

He was with, the pilot was an Air Force, Air Force Colonel Bill Panter, and he had two security dudes with him. They said while they were flying over the ledge, all of a sudden they saw this weird, strange light that was, like, tailing the plane. No thanks. And the light would accelerate, decelerate, like, was acting really weird. And then it would stretch out. And this all happened within the space of, like, a few minutes.

Like it would start stretching out and then get smaller and then accelerate, decelerate. And then they said it suddenly shot up at a 45 degree angle at like a super high rate of speed and then it disappeared. Oh. So it just like shot up at a 45 degree angle and was like boop. Can you imagine witnessing that? Right? And it's Ronald Reagan that said this. And Reagan like told this to a newspaper was like, no, I saw this.

It's like, it's legit. And everybody. And everybody in the car, in the flying car. In the plane was like, no, we saw this. Like, we have no idea how to explain it. What the fuck? So speaking of UFOs, why don't we talk about a couple of UFO sightings in the Bridgewater Triangle?

Uphos. There's a plenty. Let's hear it. We're just going to kind of pop through these real quick. So on May 10th, 1760, so a couple minutes ago. The first documented UFO sighting in the Bridgewater Triangle. They just said it was like a ball of fire in the sky. A ton of people saw it.

That's really weird. It was reported it, like, widely. In 1908, on Halloween night, two undertakers were driving a carriage. That's sick. From West Bridgewater. And shortly after 3 a.m., they said that they saw up in the sky, quote, an unusually strong lantern that lit up something big that looked like a balloon bag. Oh. They said it was really weird.

They said they watched it for like 40 minutes. They thought it was like a hot air balloon. Yeah. And what's funny. is that they made sure in the reports to be like, all balloons were accounted for that night. What? I'm dead.

And it's like, I love you, 1908. The best. All balloons were accounted for. The 1960s was when there was like a flood of these, actually. Ooh. And that's when it started at least. In December 1976, two huge UFOs were seen landing near Route 44 in Taunton.

Oh. And in the spring of 1979, that was the time where there was the highest amount of documented UFO sightings that took place here. News outlets and police were literally getting bombarded. They were constant. And it was like not like one or two people being like, I saw something where in the sky. It was like dozens and dozens of people would suddenly be like, I saw this and it was all the exact same sightings. That like really freaks me out. Right.

It's weird. And so March 23rd, 19. 1979, two news guys, Jerry Lopez, or Lopes, I'm not sure, and Steve Sabresia from WHGH said they both saw a baseball diamond-shaped thing. Oh. With a series of lights on it emitting a green substance or light near Route 24 and 109 ton. Nope. They said they pulled over to watch it. They said sparks were coming off it at times, and it seemed, they said it seemed close enough.

to like feel like you could throw something up at it. What the fuck? And they said it was massive. I wouldn't stop and watch it. I would drive so fast away. I feel like I would just be, I don't even know if I would be like compelled to watch it. Yeah, that's true.

So like massive and terrifying. Yeah. I wouldn't want to get sucked up. I would also want to run away. Lopez was an airport, Air Force veteran and he said he knew this was nothing that we had. Like he was like, I'm in the air force. Like, yeah, that's not ours.

And all balloons are accounted for. All balloons are accounted for. All balloons. loons were accounted for. And he said it hovered and then just shot off. And they said they were not alone in seeing this. Reports went nuts about it. A lot of people saw this exact same thing and described the exact same thing.

In one article that came out shortly after, where it had their accounts of it specifically, they had like 30 plus other sightings of that particular UFO. And so they had an artist take all the accounts and draw something. it was exactly. The baseball diamond, the light, everything. Wow. All exact. It's crazy.

And then in January, 1991, a green flying disc was seen in Bridgewater, flying slowly at like 50 feet off the ground with a huge spotlight. Wow. And that was seen by dozens of people, too. I'm sure there was more after that, but I stopped after that because... UFOs stress me out. I start to think really heavily about it. Yeah, they stress me out.

I'm not into it. So moving on from UFOs. To what? Circus freaks. Me. Just kidding. So this is just a funny little, little side. A little sideshow.

Just a little side show for you. I thought you were going to start doing the circus song. Thank you all. You're welcome. At least three of P.T. Barnum's circus freaks were born in the Bridgewater Triangle. No way, Jose. So this includes Isaac W. Spring. who was better known as the living skeleton.

He was born on May 21st, 1841 in East Bridgewater, Massachusetts. Well, so his weight leg fluctuated slightly, but an official measurement taken by a doctor when he was 44 years old put his height at 5 feet, 6 inches, and weighing 43 pounds. How did he survive? The photo of him is terrifying. He has like a totally normal head, and he is literally a skeleton. What? And they said he had some, like, weird affliction, basically.

It was, like, some kind of muscular thing where he had to constantly... I guess he carried around, like, a jug of, like, whole milk around his neck all the time and just constantly drank it to, like, stay alive, basically. What the fuck? Yeah, it's really bizarre. The other one that I found... I couldn't find the third... They said three were born here, but I could only find two, like, who they were.

Uh-huh. The other one was General Tom Thumb. Tom Thumb. Otherwise, his name is Charles Strat. What's his deal? He was born in Middleboro. Okay. And he was three foot four inches.

He was like vert tiny. Yeah. And that's just what his deal was. Tom Thumb was like the little, just a very tiny, tiny man. Oh. The Tom Thumb house where he lived with his wife later is still located at 351 Plymouth Street in Middleboro. Huh. And originally it was built for, because the two of them both had dwarfism.

So it was originally built to. accommodate them being so tiny. And, but that's all been, I think most of it, the original stuff has been changed to like, you know, like an average height person. But it's still there and it's a beautiful house. Cool. And it's just kind of cool. That is cool.

Like how he lived here. Like Tom Thumb lived here. Tom Thumb. Then we also had some giant bones that were found in the Bridgewater Triangle. No, those are just mine. You know. An eight-foot skeleton with double rows of teeth. What?

Was found in Deerfield, Massachusetts. Double rows of teeth? Yep. Another seven-foot skeleton with double rows of teeth was found in Martha's Vineyard. Oh, I love the vineyard. In Hadley, Massachusetts, there was a seven-foot skeleton with double rose of teeth. And in Middleboro, Massachusetts, a seven-foot skeleton with double rows of teeth. Like a human skeleton?

Yeah. Like humans? Whoms? Whom's. So that's, I don't have a whole lot, because go Google that. Well, like, that in and of itself is, like, a lot of information. It is. Well, if you go Google that, there's not a lot of information about it.

You have to really do a lot of digging. So I just thought that was an interesting little aside. Now that we've gotten through a lot of the fun, fancy free stuff, we're going to fuck up your world. We're about to dive into the abyss here. I'm about to dive in. So strap in. and hold on to your butts. Hold on to your booty.

Now, the Bridgewater Triangle is known for a lot of really heinous crimes and a lot of cult activity. Oh. The late 1970s and 80s in particular, saw like a spike in this. It's particularly in the Freetown State Forest area, the Hockamock Swamp. Police kept finding tons of evidence

that showed that there was probably a devil-worshipping cult, trolling through there. This was, and this is an actual devil worshiping cult. Like they worship, these people worship the devil. Yes. They do sacrifices. They not. It's not chill. This is not copacetic. This is not casual. I love that word. It is a, it feels good coming out of your mouth. It really does.

Just how to say it. So what the police ended up finding during this time was they'd find like underground bunkers that were used to carry out rituals because there'd be, you know, altars and pentagrams and evidence of animal sacrifice and all this crazy stuff. There was a famous story from the 1980s. A bog worker said that trespassers were kept like coming at his shack, which was in the forest. And they were all dressed in black robes. No, thank you.

And when he contacted the police, investigators found a large pentagram on the ground and they saw this design made of stones, like it was a ritualistic kind of thing. The pentagram was taken away and the stones were taken away, like everything was cleared up. But when they visited the scene the following day, all of it was back. Oh, like right where it came from. That's spooky as fuck. Yeah, isn't that creepy? So that was just a weird little story. And then this, yeah, nice try. Yeah, they're like, uh, no. And then there's also been a ton of cattle mutilations reported. Oh, come on, don't do that. There was a butchering of a cow in the woods and a group of calves were found really badly mutilated in a clearing.

Both of those things happened in 1998. And obviously they were thinking this is some kind of cult. Like it's a ritualistic sacrifice. It wasn't like they were, it was by other animals or anything. This was ritual. Yeah. Which is really fucked. It really is very fucked.

I mean, I eat burgers, but like, come on. But I don't mutilate the cattle beforehand. And it bums me to think about it. Yeah. So. Not going to have a cheeseburger tonight. No, definitely no. There have also been reports of cats and dogs found mutilated and, like, placed in ritualistic ways in there.

So that's all big bummer. So this is all, and this is all happening. Like, people, they found, like, lots of evidence of all this stuff. So there's something weird going on. For sure. Now, let's talk about one really famous case that's a real bummer. So just get, get ready for it. You still holding onto your butts?

Hold on, keep holding on to him. This is the murder of Mary Loua Ruda in 1978. This is a very rough one. In this case, actually, my dad was, it was one of the ones that he was like, you have to cover this case. Because it was like, because it's so huge. Crazy case. On September 8th, 1978, 15-year-old cheerleader and all around like adorable girl. Oh.

Mary Loua Ruda was seen riding her bike near her home in Raina, Massachusetts at 4 p.m. at 4.30 p.m., a boy found her bicycle abandoned by the side of the road. There was skid marks from a car and a cigarette beside it. So it was very clear that she had been abducted off that bicycle. Right. A ton of witnesses came forward and said that they saw a green car with a black racing stripe speeding away from the scene at about that time. What a fucking, like, ballsy move to me, your green car with a racing shirt?

Seriously, and right off the street. In the middle, like daylight. Yeah, daylight in your green-ass car, it's insane. The police were able to get enough descriptions of everything to put together a sketch of a suspect. That was put everywhere all over the place because obviously she's a 15-year-old girl. This was a high-profile thing.

So huge police investigation, and over a month later, they still didn't have any leads. But then a decomposing box, was finally found on November 11th, 1978. It was Mary Lou Aruta. That's horrible. The way it was found, though, is horrific.

Okay. She was found tied to a tree in the Freetown State Forest. And what was figured out about her cause of death was that she had been alive and she had been beaten and battered brutally. Oh, my God. Beyond, and had been tied to the tree in a stander. position. Oh my God. And when she had lost consciousness, the weight of her body had caused her to

exfixiate. Jesus Christ. So she was tied to that tree after being brutally beaten. And she was tied standing up and then just was standing out there and lost consciousness and ended up strangling herself on the... That's the most horrific thing I've ever heard. And they did determine that she had died the same day that she went missing. Oh my God. So she'd been out there for a full month tied to that tree. Wow. Awful. So authorities did really quickly find the suspect. Okay.

Because he matched the sketch perfectly. Oh. His name was James Cater. Dushbag. He was a donut maker. One, no. And he owned a car matching that bright green, 1976 Opel with a black racing stripe,

which it's not like everybody has that car. Yeah, seriously, what a fucking specific car you idiot. Yeah, it's not like you're directing. like a, you know, a Nissan Altama just from him down the street. And they also found out that he smoked the exact same brand of cigarette that was found at the scene. Great. He'd also been in trouble before. Oh.

And this is very interesting. He was found guilty in 1968 of assault with intent to rape, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, and kidnapping of a young woman from Andover, Massachusetts. Jesus Christ. And what happened in that situation was he abducted a. 13-year-old North Andover girl. Oh, my God. On her bicycle and tied her to a tree.

Oh, okay. So he pled guilty to that. What? And served a prison sentence. How long? But he was let out. I'm not exactly sure of the prison sentence, but he's way too short. Jesus.

And even the investigators were like, he never should have been let out. No, because obviously. Obviously, he did the exact same thing. Shortly after his release from that, he abducted Mary Lou. I think it was something like... It was actually, I think it was exactly a decade later he abducted Mary Louer. Wow. So he was sentenced to life in prison for the Mary Loua Ruda's death.

Thank God. He did deny up until the point where he dead now. Yeah. Up until he died, he said he had nothing to do with the Mary Lou Rooda case. But he obviously did. Yeah, I mean, that really makes no fucking sense. He's just a piece of shit and he wasn't going to give anybody closure or anything. He's just a fucking asshole.

Loser. to police, he also had once ran a woman off the road in his car and tried to abduct her. Oh, my God. In another incident, he attacked, this is awful, a 63-year-old woman in a cemetery with a chair leg. What? And attempted to rape her, she was there grieving at her husband's grave store. Oh, my God, no. Yep.

He also, this is just an awful little fact about Mary Lou Aruta's abduction. When he kidnapped her, he would have had to drive past her house. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. And to me, like, that one's fact haunts me. No, that's so fucked up. That this 15-year-old girl just got plucked off the street and watches her house. Oh, my God. You just watch your safe space just disappear.

Like, I know that's a real bummer, but it just, like, hit me when I read it. I was like, I just think about that. I'm like, oh, my God. That makes me really nauseous. Yeah, that, like, really just, like, got me in the feels. That's horrible. So today, actually, in Rainham, there's a soccer field named after Mary Lou. Oh.

And there's also a street called Mary Lou Court. Oh. So she's well-loved and well-missed. Oh, my God. It hurts my heart so bad. And James Cater died of cancer on January 23rd, 2016. And everyone was super psyched about it. Yeah.

That whole town, which I don't blame them at all, was like, good fucking rinse. Yeah, bye. Bye. Like a lot of people were like, yeah, I wish he had gone sooner. I'm glad he suffered, though. I am too. I'm glad he suffered. And he had to spend that much time behind bars.

Yeah. Now, residents who live near the place she was found, like now, will say that they sometimes hear screaming and crying from the forest. And they say it's like the ghost of Mary Lou. That's really awful. Isn't that awful? I hope that it's not. I hope that she got peace.

I hope it's just a, like a bunny. Yeah, unfortunately. But I'd rather bunny then. her tortured ghost. Because bunny screams, don't they sound like human screams? Didn't we talk about that one time? We did. Because something killed the bunny outside our window one night, actually. I think we were talking about it in the Axeman of New Orleans episode.

And I said it sounded like a child screaming. Like we freaked out for a second and we're like about to run outside. Oh my God. And then we were like, that's an animal. Yeah. So yeah, it's an awful sound. You don't ever want to hear it. So unfortunately, that is the awful, awful murder.

of Mary Loua Ruda. The other infamous case we are going to cover is the Carl Drew and Robin Murphy. This is fucked. So this kind of took place around this infamous little place in the forest called the ice shack, which is a small building that was used for logging in the 1940s. And it's just this creepy little shack. Yeah. But a lot of cult members, I guess, use it for their shit.

and this happened to be one of them. Okay. And a lot of drug dealing happens in that structure and murders. Great. So on October 13th, 1979, Detective Allen Sylvia was called to a Fall River High School with a brutally mutilated corpse of a young woman was found under bleachers. What? By two women who were walking around the track one morning.

Oh, my God. She was found face down in a pool of blood. Her wrists were bound in front of her with fishing line. Oh, God. The detective said, of all the homicides he had seen, this one stuck out as the most vicious he had ever seen. Wow. And she was nude from the waist down.

Her body was unbelievably beaten, and her face and head had literally been crushed. Oh, my God. Like, they said they couldn't even tell it was like a face anymore. Jesus. Near the scene, police found bloody rocks and believed she had literally been stone to death. What the fuck?

Yeah. The medical examiner's report said her skull had been crushed by multiple blows, and there were also several stab wounds to her head. So that's like way fucking overkill. Way overkill. She was identified as 17-year-old Doreen Levec. Jesus. 17 years old, that's awful.

And she was beautiful, too. Oh. And this was in Fall River, remember. She had been working as a sex worker around the area. And so, of course, immediately they're like, okay, we got to start thinking of clients that could have done this. So after the discovery of her body, the trail went pretty cold, pretty fast because they just didn't. It's tough. It's tough. Yeah, and there wasn't anything left at the scene that was going to tie her to anybody. And she was from New Bedford.

Right. So she was already a transplant, and they were like, we just don't know what to do. Well, three months later, another victim was found in the Freetown State Forest. and it was by a man walking his dog and he stumble upon the body since Massachusetts gets so fucking cold in the winter the cold had perfectly preserved the body Oh shit

Decomp was like little to know decomp was present And they figured out that she was there for three months Oh my god She was literally like preserved In pretty good condition It was like no decompost This victim was also partially nude Badly beaten

The same thing And her face had all she had been crushed. Oh. She was laid out on a huge stone that investigators described as resembling an altar. Oh. So she was posed. Mm-hmm.

There were little pieces of concrete found in her hair, and the medical examiner determined a concrete block was used to crush her head. Oh, my God. She was later identified as 19-year-old Barbara Raposa. She had also been working as a sex worker in Fall River at the time of her death. she had been reported missing three months earlier. Oh, no. Around the exact time that Dorian Levec was found.

And she was last seen with and reported missing by her boyfriend Andy Maltius. Mm-hmm. He's a creep. Oh, good. He was a pedophile, a rapist, and a sexual sadist. Oh, no. And he also was a devout Christian. That was like, and apparently he had turned into a devout Christian.

That was what he claimed. Turned into it after being a pedophile, rapist, and sexualist. sadist. He decided to change his ways. Oh, okay. We are not saying anything about that, except that it is a fact. He used to be a devil worshipper. But he turned his ways around, apparently. And he believed that there was a cult

in the area. He told investigators, there's a cult in the area, a devil-worshipping cult. Me and my girlfriend, Barbara, were a part of it at one point. And he thought they were responsible for this whole thing. Okay. Now, right away both scenes made it look like the girls were ritualistically killed. Right, right, right. So now rumors of that devil-worshipping cult practicing in the forest.

Was the satanic panic too? Pretty much, yeah. Fueled by the fact that there had been animal mutilations for a while, and they're like we talked about, started making people go crazy. Of course. Now, Andy Maltius comes forward to the police and says that he and Barbara were part, because then he comes back and he was like, okay, maybe we were still a part of this devil worshiping group a little bit.

And he said it's like 10 plus people. Most of them were in the local sex working industry. And he said one of the high leaders of this whole cult was a 25-year-old pimp named Carl Drew. Oh. See, this was the kind of satanic situation where they actually were worshipping Satan. Right. Like they met in the forest, they tried to call him, and they sacrificed animals. And apparently people to try to do his bidding.

The detective Sylvia said he and another investigator were let into a couple of the members' apartments. Oh, my God. And started seeing that this shit was real. They were let in because a lot of the members didn't want to be, like, accused of this. So they were like, we're just going to try to comply. Right. They were able to chat with a couple of the members after one of the meetings. And Karen Marsden was one of these members.

She was a 20-year-old sex worker in the group. Mm-hmm. Detective Sylvia said he talked to her because she was seemingly like terrified and really wanted to talk but was having trouble like coming forward to him. She denied knowing anything at first but they pushed a little bit because they were like we know she knows something. She could tell. She's just scared. So she finally admitted that the group was led by Carl Drew who called himself the son of Satan.

Oh, casual. You not son. Yeah, like calm down. She then actually led the investigation. to the place in the forest where they performed these devil worshipping rituals. Carl had apparently taken her to a specific area in the forest once and told her he had killed people there and threw them in the water. Oh.

So they were like, cool, cool, cool, cool. He called it, this is actually just hilarious because of the dumb that is involved here. Because of the dumb. He called it Satan's water because it was green. In reality, it just had a high algae content. You're stupid, Carl. Like, are you a fucking idiot? This here?

Not Karen Marsden, like Carl. Yeah, no, Carl Drew. This is Satan's water. This is Satan's water because it's green. It's like, no. Dude, it's a fucking swamp. Read a book. Like, you're stupid.

Go to the library and read a book about marine life, okay? Because algae. Because, like, spend your time doing something different than murdering people. Yeah, you're the worst. When they searched around that area while she was showing it to them, there were pentagrams everywhere and makeshift altars and evidence of animal sacrifice. So they were like,

she was telling the fucking truth. This was the place where they did it. Karen then broke down out of nowhere. And she said she was absolutely terrified that she was going to be next. Oh, no. She said, I know I'm the next one that's going to be killed. So Detective Sylvia in particular said he begged her to agree to

protective custody. He was like, we can protect you. Like, just tell us everything and we will protect you. And she said she wouldn't take it. She was too afraid that not only Carl Drew was going to get her, but the devil himself. What the fuck? So she was like really far in.

Oh, no. He ended up and he said he tried and tried and tried, and she just wouldn't take it. And it was because I think he said, like, you know, one of the things about sex workers is they have to be street savvy. And he's like, I think she was just too worried to get too involved with the law enforcement. Because that was also going to put a big target on her back. Right. So she was trying to distance herself, but also was breaking down. Like she was in the middle of a total breakdown.

The poor girl. Yeah, it's really sad. He ended up bringing her, at her request, to St. Mary's Cathedral. Okay. This was literally like her last resort because she was so scared and she had nowhere else to go. And he said, I watched her walk up to the door. I watched like a priest open the door. Yeah.

And she went in. Okay. That night, she disappeared. Oh, no. Detective Sylvia said he dropped her off and that is the last time he saw her alive. Oh, my God, that must haunt him. It does. He said, like, to this day, it, like, kills him.

Oh. Two months later, April 13th, 1980, a man walking in the woods finds a toothless skull. No. It is Karen Marsden. Oh, no. Investigators found hair, teeth, and belongings of hers scattered over a two-mile radius where they believe she was dragged. Oh, my God.

Her body was nowhere to be found. What? And they think she literally, they destroyed her body. They only found her head. They only found her head. Oh, God. And they said there was a pig farm nearby, and they think they might have thrown her body to the pigs.

Oh, my God. Now, the members of the cult are worried that they're going to be suspects, all of them. Yeah. So some of them agree to let police listen to their phone calls. Okay. And they did this because the police, they were like, we're not going to bust you on all the shit we know you're doing. Right.

If you just, like all the minor shit we know you're doing. Right, right, right. If you just let us listen and they were like, cool. Okay. I don't want to get involved in this. So after a six-month investigation, they get a huge break. Tell me. They hear a call. So they're thinking they're going to.

I was just going to say that was a slipping down. Because they're thinking they're going to get Carl Drew to admit to this. Right. Well, they get a call. Or they're on a call. They're listening to a call. They're listening in. where a 17-year-old girl named Robin Murphy says, quote,

I killed Karen and they'll never figure it out because I took my clothes off when I did it. But bitch, the phone is tapped. So you're dumb. Wowzers. And also how do you do that to another fucking person? Oh, and when do you find out exactly what happened? Okay. Now, the investigators to this day will say that Robin Murphy is the epitome of evil.

Oh, God. They actually said, quote, you can see evil just by looking at her. And honestly, if you look at a picture, you're like, yep. Oh, no. Like, there's something missing there. I'm spooked. And I think it's a soul. One would say.

She's terrifying. And you can't even, like, pinpoint why you just look at her and you're like, no. Some people are just like that. Yeah, you're like, I don't want to mess with you. Nope, don't want to deal with that. Oh. Now, apparently she started off as a sex worker at her early teens. Okay.

How old was she? 17. Okay. So she started very early. Oh, wow. So she did not have a great start to life. But at this time, she was helping run the whole operation. What the fuck?

Alongside Carl Drew. That's 17 years old. Essentially, she was like a female pimp. Yeah. She was like running the shit. Detective Sylvia called her the greatest and most vicious intimidator that he had ever met. Oh, wow. He also said the people around her feared her more than he had seen any other people fear someone.

Like any other group of people fear or a leader. Police immediately arrested Robin and Carl Drew. Okay. I heard this. Turns out the two of them were literally running everything just by fear, just by being like, well, we'll just murder you if you don't comply to what we want you to do. They believed Doreen was killed because she was an outsider who was coming onto their territory. Because she was from New Bedford.

Oh. So she was kind of like, she wasn't part of their whole thing. Like the cult? So they weren't getting money. Like they, she wasn't pimped out. She was like a freelancer. She was doing her own thing and they were like, fuck you. So they were like, she's stealing money from us.

Oh, Jesus. That was why she was killed. And Barbara Raposa was killed because she knew too much about Robin's hand in Doreen's murder. Okay. Because Robin also had a hand in Doreen's murder. Investigators believe Karen Marsden saw Doreen's murder as well, and that's why she was so racked with fear. Oh, no. Because she saw Doreen's murder.

she saw what happened to Barbara who had seen Dorian's murder and she was like, oh, I'm next. That's why she was saying like, I'm next. And then she was. Basically, Carl Drew and Robin Murphy were murdering these girls together. Wow. Both of them had hands in it. Robin Murphy agreed to plead guilty to second degree murder for the murder of Karen Marsden and she would get immunity in the other cases if she agreed to testify against Carl Drew.

Okay. So she said she would. Yep. She said that Drew ordered that Karen Marsden be killed right after Detective Sylvia dropped her off at St. Mary's Cathedral. They were like following them? Yeah. And that was on February 8th, 1980 that she was murdered. And Detective Sylvia said he was like, I had a feeling.

Like just a bad feeling. He's like, I obviously didn't know what was going to happen. But he was like, I just, something really bad is going to happen to her. I just know it. Because he said her fear was just unbelievable when he dropped her off. The way she was murdered, Karen Marsden, is horrific. She was raped and tortured before being brutally killed. Oh, no.

Marsden had allegedly had her hair and fingernails ripped out while she was still alive. Oh, my God. And she was found toothless. Oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. She had been savagely beaten over the head with stones until Drew threw her over his knee and snapped her neck. and also slammed her head into the ground over and over and over to break her neck. Oh my God. Her head was then cut off and kicked around by other members that were there.

What? They literally kicked it around like a soccer ball. Her fingers had been removed to steal her rings and a large X had been carved across her chest. And this is all from Robin Murphy telling this. And did they feed her to the pigs? And she didn't say that. She wouldn't say what happened to her body after that. Oh my God.

And people think that Robin was the one who, like, cut her throat. Oh, my God. Robin Murphy did testify in court to her part in the murders. And also said that Drew was 100%, like, the mastermind next to her. Murphy said that Drew killed Doreen, too. But after they talked to other members, they also were, like, she had a hand in it to. Like don't say that it was just Carl Drew who killed Doreen. Yeah, like you did it too.

You had a gun in it as well. And what they said was she, it was Robin Murphy, who when they killed Doreen, the first girl. Yeah. She made them all pick up a rock and hit her with it so that they'd all be implicated. Oh my God. No, none of you can go to the police. What the fuck? No one was convicted for the murder of Doreen.

Why? Because they couldn't tie anything to it. Oh, my God. They know they did it, but like. You can't tie that many people to it. Barbara's boyfriend, the pedophile and awful person, was convicted of her murder and died behind bars. Wait, so he was in on it.

Yeah, so he was in on the whole thing. Carl Drew was convicted of Karen Marsden's murder, March 13, 1981, and is serving life in prison. And he's still alive? He's still alive, and he's still in prison. Is he, like, around here? And he also, he, to this day, says he had nothing to. to do with it.

Yeah, but he's like, sure. And I'm pretty sure he had, there's like a blog where he, like, documents how he is innocent. He's blogging from prison. I'm pretty sure. Cool. So, yeah. What is the justice system? He got even more prison time because he was also convicted of assault with a deadly weapon

on another sex worker in a different incident. She's, like, everybody calm down. Everybody chill. Robin Murphy also got life in prison for her role in Karen. Marston's murder. In 2004, though, she got paroled. What? After only 15 years.

How? Don't worry, though. She was sent back to prison in 2011. For what? Because a state trooper stopped the car she was driving in Revere, and the person she was with was another woman who had a, she had a felony record and possessed heroin, and that was against her parole. Oh, so she got thrown back in prison.

Good. Murphy applied again for parole in 2012, and she had. She told the parole board that the woman was just like an acquaintance and she had no idea who she was really and that she was just giving her a ride. They denied her parole. Okay, good. She went back on March 28, 2012 and was like, just kidding. That woman has actually been my lover for years. But I had no idea that she was a heroin addict.

And they were like, yeah, you're not helping yourself because you just said that you lied to us the first time. So now we don't believe you. So she was denied again. What a moron. And she's still in jail. She's still in prison because they've denied. parole. So she's back to life in person? I think she can only be eligible for parole hearings until like 2002 or something. Uh-huh. And at any time they can just say like you're not getting paroled.

You're okay good. Which I'm hoping they do. I can't even believe they paroled her the first time. I know. And actually Detective Sylvia was like furious that they did that. Yeah. Because he had like a real personal connection to this. He worked this whole thing and he was the one who dropped Karen Mearsden off. It's like he has a real. Yeah. And he was at every parole hearing. I would be. Like, he's not letting that go.

He got a ton of death threats from Murphy when she was paroled. Like, that must have been terrifying. Are you kidding me? And he testified at the hearing in March to be like, no, she needs to stay in. Like, you know, she's death threatening me. And he says he is still really, really messed up

about the Karen Mars. Yeah, I don't blame him. And he wishes that he was like, I wish there was some way that I could have got her to accept my particular. protection. Like, that's all I wish. Yeah. 17 years old and that's what you're capable of. Yeah. So it's, it's, I mean, that story to me is like so vicious. Yeah. Horrifying. And it's still like, there's people who think Carl Drew is innocent. There's people who think.

And like, Robin Murphy, man, she's, she might be even scarier than Carl. Yeah. I don't think he's innocent though. No, I don't think so either. They're scared. They're scared. Like, what the hell? Yeah. The whole thing. is terrifying because it's not like not that there's any great way to die or be murdered but it's like some of the most brutal and at one point fingernails really freak me out

and at one point Robin Murphy said in court that the purpose of torturing these women like they said that we couldn't just kill them we had to torture them because we had to bring them to such an emotionally high

place and such a physically like crazy place that that's when the sacrifice is most potent. So it was intentional that, like, we bring them to the point where they are in the worst pain of their life and at the most emotionally just heightened place of their life and that's when we can kill them. Oh, my God.

So these poor women had the most brutal experience. That makes me very nauseous. So those are the two most famous Bridgewater Triangle. I just don't really get, like, sacrifices? Like I don't under, like, what do they get out of it? I don't know. What does the devil give you? Well, I think they're, like, they think they get power or they get like, I don't know. You'd have to be in that, like, crazy-ass mindset.

No, no thanks. And I am just not. I'm, I have a lot of, a lot of busy days. I have so many busy days. I can't sacrifice people. I'm sorry. Lots of plans. So that is going to wrap up. Wow, the Bridgewater Triangle, y'all. Our look into the Bridgewater Triangle.

Tune in next week. for the fucking Boston Strangler where it's gonna get even worse. To really just get worse. We're just gonna slip down this really shitty dark slope. Also, Elena's mom slash my grandma was living in Boston

at the time of the Boston Strangler's reign and her fucking door didn't lock, right? Or something like that. Or you could open it with a credit card. She was living in Boston at this time in an apartment with like a couple of other girls and you could literally open her door

with a credit card. because it was just like this janky store. And she was like, yeah, it was really scary. Ma survived the wildest shit, dude. So she's like a badass who survived that time. But we're going to go into a real deep dive into the Boston Strangler next week. So stay tuned. So we're going to go ahead before we cut ourselves out here.

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