Morbid - The Boston Strangler(s) Part 2

Episode Date: July 8, 2019

It's here! Part 2 of our deep dive into the most frustrating series of murders to ever hit our hometown is here early. In this episode, we cover the last six murder attributed to this serial killing monster, we discuss the psychology behind strangulation, the physiology behind strangulation and also reveal a bit about the guy who confessed to it all: Albert DeSalvo.  THIS EPISODE CONTAINS GRAPHIC DESCRIPTIONS OF SEXUAL ASSAULT Sources: The Boston Strangler by Gerold Frank https://abcnews.go.com/US/boston-strangler-case-solved-50-years/story?id=19640699 https://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/12/us/dna-evidence-identified-in-boston-strangler-case.html Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Bean Town. We are back with another installment of the Boston Strangler slash stranglers. With a sh instead of a... Strangler. That's maybe how they said it back then. Strangler. Yes. See?

So yeah, we don't have a whole lot of business to attend to in this episode. And we have so much to get to in this case that we don't want to take up a lot of your time. We are, however, going to be shouting out our beautiful patronesses at the end of this episode. So hang on for that. Stay tuned, weirdos. So let's just start where we left off. So this case is, I mean, it is just chockful of really graphic descriptions of sexual assault. Like horrific.

This is going to continue in this episode and gets, I mean, it gets gnarlier? It stays on the gnarly level if it doesn't get gnarlier. I think it gets slightly gnarlier. This morning I was driving home from my friend's house and I was like, oh, listen to the podcast because sometimes I like to do that and I couldn't listen to it. It's rough. I was like, I don't want to hear about the ladies on this bright, beautiful Sunday morning. Right.

It's really rough. So just another warning, if that is something you are not comfortable listening to, I'm going to do what I did in the first part before I say one of the most graphic descriptions, I will tell you. So you can skip over it if you'd like. She's so nice. I'm so nice, guys. I'm so nice.

You're welcome. You're welcome. So where we left off was we were talking about the seventh victim Jane Sullivan had been found. In the bathtub, right? Yes, halfway in the bathtub. And at this point, they had all been quote unquote elderly victims who lived alone. Right. That's going to change.

So is it the same strangler? I don't know. You decide. And here's what we're going to do in this episode. We're going to discuss the rest of the victims. And we're also going to talk about the psychology and physiology of strangulation. Physiology. Because it's real interesting.

Cool. I just feel like it's so brutal that I had to know more. And I feel like, you know what? You guys got to know more about it too. Everybody's just got to know the most they can know. And any time I can talk about like anatomy, I'm in. You know this. You know that I had to take anatomy in hair school?

Did you really? Yeah, that's crazy. I was bad at it. You should have me help you. Yeah, I just like didn't care that much, though. Anyways. So what we're going to do is we'll talk about that. We're going to get to the man of the hour, Albert DeSalvo.

But we are really going to dive into Albert DeSalvo in part three. That's right. Ladies and gentlemen, this episode is, I mean, this series is three parts. And it's just because there's so much in this case. Is this our first ever three-parter? It is. Yeah. And it's our hometown one.

Bintown murders. I just wanted to make sure that we discussed all the, as much as we could about these things before getting to Albert. So we will get to him, I promise. We're going to spend a whole episode on him. We're like, actually, we're just not at all going to talk about him. We're just never going to talk about him again. So here we are. There was a lull between Jane Sullivan's.

murder and the next victim attributed to the Boston Strangler, it was somewhere around like three and a half months, in fact. A pulling off period. Which is weird for him because he was on kind of a tear. Yeah, he was on a tear, sometimes the same day. Yeah. At this point, it was the biggest manhunt in the city's history, and still they had zero evidence. This dude had left nothing.

Which is wild. Yeah. Well, and also it was like the 60s. So even if he did, like, could they find much? Well, they could, and they took what they could, but they, I mean, even now, they described the first seven murders that we talked about in part one as the perfect crime because they said he was just so clean about it. Right.

Like he didn't leave anything behind. He was using an object to assault them, which doesn't leave any of your DNA behind. And that's why these ones that we're going to talk about rang so differently because they are not as. perfect. And that's why people think that it's two different people. That and a few other things. I'm excited. So experts agree that the first five or six, possibly seven victims were likely the same person. But again, we still don't know this for sure. Well, and they had like the bows and shit all seven, right? It's the ritualized behavior that we're in all of those ones. And again, and this is quite graphic, so just bear with me.

The assaults and penetrations with foreign objects are rare. That is not something you see a lot. Right. And for them to happen in most of those seems to point to the person being the same person. Sure. And again, that ritualized behavior is what really points them that way. There were confirmed attempts of copycatting the strangler by people. And it was basically people who just happened to murder women.

and then they just quickly made it look like the murder scenes. Like they would tie bows and stuff around their necks just to be like, it was the strangler. And it was kind of because the media was telling them all these things. So they were like, oh, I can just tie a bow around this person and they're going to think it's the strangler. Right. That's fucked up. And it became a problem because people were like, is this somebody in their life or is this another strangler case?

Right. But now I would like to, before we start in on these victims, this is when I want to talk about the psychology and physiology of strangulation. That was cute how you said that. You were like, I would like to. And I literally did my, like, my hand. Like, I'm ready, guys, to lecture you. You got, like, very excited.

I wish I had my glasses on and I could have just propped them up on my nose real quick. So in strangulation, the cause of death is cerebral hypoxia secondary to compression. I knew that. This means that death is caused by intense compression of the vessels in the neck that supply blood in thereby oxygen to your brain. Oh, that's interesting. Yeah. So it's such a quick method.

It's not quick in time, but it's such a like kind of full proof if you do it right. Mm-hmm. Because you're stopping oxygen from going to the brain, which is how you kill someone. Constant and consistent pressure on the neck causes unconsciousness in approximately five to 15 seconds. Wow. Especially with ligature strangulation, which is what this. was using something else other than your own.

So in five to 15 seconds, the person will go unconscious. Exactly. To kill someone, even with the constant and consistent pressure on the neck, it's a while, right? It's still a couple minutes after that. Sure. And you have to keep applying that pressure. The same consistent. Which when they're unconscious is much easier to do because they're not fighting back.

But that's so, like, personal. Oh, it's very personal. Like, very personal. A minute is a long time when you're, like, when you're timing it. Oh, absolutely. That's very, and it's probably like three to four minutes that you really have to do it. And it takes a specific amount of pressure to collapse all the various structures in the neck that supply all this important stuff to your brain and, you know, keep you alive. I just want to go through a couple of them right now so you know how much pressure it takes to do these things.

So your jugular veins, they collapse under 4.4 pounds of pressure. Now, I'm sure most people have heard the term go for the jugular. or like she went for the jugular. There's a reason for that. There's a reason for that. The jugular veins function to collect blood from the skull brain and a lot of parts of the face and the majority of the neck. And that blood that's collected from those vessels in the parts of the head that it's taking it from,

then drain into the brachiocephalic vein and into the heart. Now this vein is not protected by any bone or cartilage, the jugular vein. Oh. It's just hanging out there. It's just sitting there vulnerable beneath a giant muscle called the sternocletomastoid muscle. Where is it? It's right here on the side of your neck. Do you have one jugular or two?

You have two. You have an external and an internal. Cool. And they're really vulnerable because they're just kind of hanging out under that muscle. And the sternocleto mastoid muscle is one of the largest cervical muscles that you have. And it basically allows you to rotate your neck. and to flex your neck back and forth. Stay flex in on these hose.

Do it. And its location and lack of protection makes it really easily prone to trauma. Right. That's why a lot of times when people get their throat slit, if they cut that jugular vein, it's like, see you later, goodbye. Bye, sis.

Now, the next thing that tends to get affected by strangulation is the carotid arteries. They collapse under 5.5 to 22 pounds of pressure. Can you imagine 22 pounds of pressure? Oh, my God. Goodbye. Yeah. The carotid arteries are major blood vessels in your neck,

and they supply blood to the brain, neck, and your face. So that's important. There are two of those, one on the right, one on the left. And each carotid artery branches into two divisions. The internal carotid artery supplies blood to the brain, and the external carotid artery supplies blood to the face and neck. Okay. So they are both equally important.

Yeah. When you put your two fingers on the side of your neck, that's what you feel, that pulse that you can feel. That's your carotid artery. That's what you're feeling. That's cool. Yeah, see? Shit. The more you know.

I feel like I'm in school. You are. You're in Elena's science class right now. That's very scary. You're all in here with me and you can't escape. Well, actually, you can't. I was going to say they could just hit the 15 button like six times. Yeah, they definitely can.

Please don't do that, though. Don't do that. I'm interested. The next thing that tells you. tends to get affected is the vertebral arteries. They'll collapse under 18 to 66 pounds of pressure. Now, this poundage of pressure that we're talking about is like when somebody is manually strangling someone and they're putting their body weight down.

Right. So this artery is super important as well. They supply blood to the upper spinal cord, the brain stem, the cerebellum, and the posterior part of the brain. What they do is they originate from the. subclavian arteries, and these are two arteries below your clavicle that get blood from the biggest vessel in your body, which is the aorta. The vertebral arteries are situated on each side of your neck, and then they merge within

the skull to form a singular, the single midline basilar artery. The basilar artery is basically the main blood supply to your brainstem. So that's really important. Yeah, I would think so. That's what these two vertebral arteries merge to form is this huge blood supply to your brain stem. This sits at the, so the brain stem literally where this is all meeting, sits at the base of the ponds, which is part of your brain. It's so interesting how fucking involved your body is. That's what I love.

I love how complex every system in the human body is. And how everything relies on each other to get everything. It's like if one thing is cut off. Makes me want to be a better person. But I'm not there yet. But you know what? You have the thought. Yeah.

That's the first step. Yeah. So basically it sits at the base of the pawns, which is part of your brain stem. And the ponds, this is just a quick little side. The ponds is actually implicated in sleep paralysis. Oh, which you suffer from. I do. And actually we'll do an episode on.

Oh, sick. That'll be a good mini episode. I got sleep paralysis like twice in my whole life. I get it a lot. I know. Oh, freaking. The ponds also controls breathing, communication between different parts of the brain and sensations like hearing, taste, and balance.

So when that is cut off, boom, all that's gone. The next thing that's obviously going to be affected is the trachea. That's going to collapse under 33 pounds of pressure. That's your windpipe. It connects the larynx, which is your voice box, to the bronchie of your lungs. and the bronchie are main passageways into the lungs because they're literally the only passage from your trachea into the little sacks of air in your lungs. Since the trachea is the only way into these, it is vital to the process of bringing air to

and from your lungs. It's the only pathway. Now I'm like feeling like I'm getting strangled and I need to take a deep breath. I'm like taking deep breaths like, yeah, like, okay, we're good. We're still doing it. Good job, guys. Once your tracheas crust, you're in real trouble. I would think so.

Nothing else is going to get air there. The last thing that I just wanted to mention was the chrychoid cartilage. That's going to fracture under 45 pounds of pressure. Basically what that is, it's a ring of cartilage on your trachea, and it provides connections for different ligaments, cartilages, and muscles, all of which facilitate the opening and shutting of the air passage and the production of sound. So when you crush that, you're in trouble too.

You're just really fucked if you mess with any of this. Basically, your neck is a very delicate thing. That's cool. So you can see how the destruction of literally any of these systems would be easily fatal or debilitating at the very least. Now, now that we've talked about the physiology of it, I just want to go a little bit into the psychology of it. Now, research on homicidal strangulation shows that in a higher percentage of cases,

the offender and the victim have a family relationship. I knew it. Yeah. And that as much as 75% of the victims are females or infants. Well, that makes sense because just like a woman strangling a man, like men typically have thick necks. Yeah. So it would be super hard to like.

And you have to hold the person down, you know what I mean? So it's like it's just a matter of physiology basically. Yeah. And infants, which it's like, who the fuck is strangling an infant? God damn it. Monsters. It's like that shit just makes me so angry. Other studies said that other motives for homicidal strangulation tend to be rape,

sexual jealousy, and personal rivalry. That's why people strangle people. Yeah. And so they're all very personal, intimate issues. You know what I mean? Like it's all very like in someone's face. What, and it's been suggested that females tend to be like strangled at such a higher rate. because they are more likely to be the targets of sexual assaults.

And basically the strangulation just acts to stop them from moving so that that can be done. Right. It's just because they're that close to the person, like physically I mean, it's just the easiest thing to do to stop somebody from moving. Which is so fucked. It really is. It's awful. Strangulation is also associated very highly with sexual and sadistic.

murders, very high in sexual murders, which we see a lot. In a lot of the cases we've talked about, when they involve rape or sexual assault, strangulation does tend to pop up a lot. Yeah. And it's been the cause of death in 67% of sexual murders, 63% of sexual murders of elderly females, in 61% of sexual sadistic murders. and it's also found in 59% of serial sexual murders. Oh, like this.

Yeah, exactly. So it makes sense that he's also involving this element of awful sexual assault while he's doing this because it all goes hand in hand. Now, in a study on sexual murder, some experts analyzed crime scene behavior, and they took that stuff that they were analyzing at the crime scene, and basically what they found, that in sexual murder, murders, ligature strangulation is associated with kind of like weird crime scene behavior, like tying a bow.

And again, this is going to be graphic, inserting foreign objects. You know what I mean? Like weird, gross, very over-the-top behavior, that's where you tend to see ligature strangulation in the sexual murders. Okay. Now this can all, what studies seem to think is basically, it kind of all has to do with the fact that they're physically in a position where in a sexual attack,

it just makes it, quote, easy and convenient to stop somebody from moving. And they also think that it's basically about power and control. Like domineering. Yeah. And that's kind of like the whole point of, I mean, the whole point of rape and sexual assault is domination, control,

like having power over somebody. that's what they tend to like. And I mean, they like, they can watch the light leave somebody's eyes. They're that close, you know? And a lot, you'll hear a lot of murderers who use strangulation as a method say that. Like, I liked to watch the light leave their eyes. That is the most fucked up. And I feel like that's, that's how you have to, that's how fucked up you have to be to do that.

Like, you need to want to see their face. Change. You know, exactly. Like, like, distort, you know. That's dark. I know. It's a dark thing. There's a book called Hunting Serial Predators,

A Multivariate Classification Approach to Profiling Violent Behavior. And it's by Grover Maurice Godwin. It's a long title, Godwin. I know. And he says that ligature strangulation, which is what we're seeing in these cases, it basically represents the killer's explosive rage in that he has a very personal focus towards the victim.

Right. Whether that victim is someone he knows or that victim represents someone that he knows, like his mama, which is what I'm thinking is the case here. I have a question. So he, he wasn't strangling these women with his hands. He was doing it with the bows. It seems like that's what, that's what it looks like from all the things I've researched is that he's actually using these items in a ligature strangulation. And like just pulling it. And pulling, yeah. Does that make it less personal kind of? No, because you still have to be right up front and you still have to exert force right on top of them.

Okay. Because you have to hold them down regardless, you know. And there could have been a couple of cases where he did manually strangle, maybe to unconsciousness and maybe then tied the bow to finish the job just to keep that constant pressure, which would have been very, you know, efficient, I guess, because you don't have to hold down the pressure. You just tie something that will do it for you. Right.

Which is awful. Oh, yeah. I hate to say it's efficient, but that's how it kind of is. This kind of, and again, like we're saying, this kind of strangulation just allows the sexual serial killer, which like Ted Bundy, for instance, or somebody like that, to have intimacy with the victim that shooting them or stabbing them doesn't allow. Right. Like you, like we've said, you have to be touching them and really close to them and shooting them. And shooting them, you can be across the room, you know? Yeah.

And so that's basically all I have for like the psychology. But it's what it leads us to is that this is mainly what we see in sexual killings. Very common in sexual serial killings. And that it's all about power and control. That's all. That is like number one thing is I have the power to crush the wind out of you. Great. And it's like, can you imagine the kind of pleasure that this dude was getting knowing not only,

because like obviously control was something he needed in power, that he knew women all over Boston were living in terror. He must have loved this. That's so weird to like put your mind there. Isn't it? Yeah. Like you feel like you shouldn't, but you're like, I got it. But you're going, but you go there and then you're like, shit, that's a dark place.

Yeah. Like that is some dark shit. I just picture him in like a lazy boy, like watching the news. And like I just feel like his apartment is dirty. Oh, 100%. You know, in seven, the guy. the guy that, like, eats himself to death. Yeah.

They try to make it look like that. Yeah. That's what I'm, like the house, I feel like. That's what his house was like. Because he's just, he's just so mean. And he's just so, like, dark. He's obviously trying to make up for something. Yeah.

That he is lacking sorely. Yeah. So it's like, you just picture this little, little bitch of a dude, just sitting there being like, yeah. It's like, yeah, you kill widows who are living alone. Like, kudos, dude, you're really killing it out there. Like, fuck off. In jail, don't they not like people that kill old people?

No, they don't. I think jail doesn't like, you know, when you kill elderly people, rapists, child killers. Yeah, they never make it. Crimes against women are attended. Right. It's a weird hierarchy. Prison is interesting. It's a very interesting.

We should do a prison episode. I know. That would be a good to have. The hierarchy of prison. It's just discussing the hierarchy of prison life. So now that we've talked about the physiology and the psychology of this, let's get into the next victims. So we're on victim number seven.

This was, like I said, about three and a half months later. Which is wild. After Jane Sullivan. This was on December 5th, 1962. On this day, it was 40 degrees out and it had been raining all day. That's my weather, sis. I know I love that weather. I want that weather so bad right now.

I do too. But after we're hearing this, you're like, I don't want that weather. The victim was 21-year-old Sophie Clark, 21. So we have done quite a jump. Does he have sister issues now? Well, it gets even more different. She was an African-American woman. Oh.

Now, he had killed previously elderly white women who lived alone. who lived alone. Sophie Clark was a 21-year-old African-American student living with roommates. Interesting. Very different. She was known to be very careful and didn't go out a lot. No one will ever say that about me when I die. No, they will not.

Certainly not me. Can you lie? I'll lie for you, no more. And she lived in an apartment at 315 Huntington Avenue. New in Back Bay in Boston. Yeah, Back Bay. By day, she was a hospital technician, and at night she attended classes at Carnegie Institute of Medical Technology on Beacon Hill.

Which is interesting, another medical person. I know it is weird. So she was super smart, super responsible, very reliable, didn't go out a lot, just studied, did her thing. A sweet angel. She really was. So this particular afternoon, she sat home writing a letter to her fiancé, Chuck. No, I'm leaving. Who lived back in New Jersey, where she was from.

He was planning on visiting her the next week, and they were both super excited about this visit, like super in love. Stop. Yeah, it's awful. Now it gets worse. Great. She was killed in the middle of writing this letter. So this letter abruptly stops.

Oh, my God. I wouldn't want Chuck to read it. I know. I wouldn't want him to suffer that pain. I know. It's awful. And he was never considered a suspect, by the way. Because didn't he, he was like away.

Yeah, but they didn't, you know. Yeah, true, true, true. They didn't, yeah. So there's just little pieces of this letter that I just want to read to you to show how like. No, don't do it. Don't do that to me. I'm really going to ruin you guys here. But it just shows how, like, just sweet and just in love they were.

You know how I feel about love. And how, and how just, like, oblivious she was, too. What was about to happen? very aware of what was going on in Boston and she was very nervous about it. But it's like you never think it's going to happen to you. And she was just sitting in her apartment on the afternoon of this of December 5th writing a letter. Like it's just a typical afternoon. Typical afternoon.

She had a whole night planned out. It would never cross your mind that somebody's going to bust him. Did he break in? We don't know. Oh. There was no sign of forced entry in this scene. Okay. But it looks like she let him in, even though that was very,

against her her ways. Now, here's some of the letter. It began, my dearest Chuck. No. May this letter find the man I love well. How is that cold? I feel fine, especially after you called me last night. You're the kind of medicine I need. Oh my God, my heart is aching. And then in another paragraph, she said, today is a nasty day. I do hope the weather will be better next week for our sakes. I hope it won't be too late when you get here. I know it depends on when you finish work, but you know I'll be sitting here waiting.

I fell asleep last night, playing an album by the Flamingos. Tonight, I'll start my homework, when I finish this letter, then I will switch over to the kitchen to cook supper. We're going to have liver tonight, cooked an onion and gravy with mashed potatoes and a vegetable, I guess. And then in another paragraph, she says, when is your friend going to move in with you? I'll be glad for you then because you won't have as many expenses.

I was going to suggest that you get a phone, but I guess you can do without it. And then she writes in a new paragraph, I, and that's it. Oh, I got chills. So she starts a new paragraph that starts I, and it's done. Love you. That's what she was going to say. It's like really, I can't help, I can't stop thinking about, how oblivious we all are.

You know, like you know in the back of your mind that like anything can happen all this, especially when something like that is happening, but none of these victims went home to their apartments thinking, well, maybe I'm going to be next today. They just did their shit like that they normally do and boom. Off them. It's like, snuffed. It's just so upset.

It's like so, I don't know, man. You just never know what's going to happen tomorrow. Below is your mind. It really does. It doesn't involve loving it. You've really fucked me up there. It's the unsuspecting victims that get me. The fact that she was writing, you know how I am.

I know. And I'm obviously going to post photos of these victims on her Instagram. She was beautiful. Now. It's like the notebook Boston Strangler style. I know. I'm hurt. Now, her roommate, Gloria Todd, she did interviews after the shoot, after Sophie was found.

Okay. She said she had a habit of calling Sophie every day between 4 and 430. And that day she called around 415 and didn't get an answer. And that made her feel, she said, I just felt odd about it because she was like, Sophie was very reliable. She was home a lot. And we always had a phone call. Yeah.

And she was like, she knew I was going to be calling around this time. And she said she always had a routine of school and work and then straight home to study. She didn't really do anything else. So she called again at 4.30. still no answer. So Gloria came home from work around 5.30. She said she didn't immediately unlock the door. She knocked on the door first and called out to Sophie.

Oh. Because she said she was feeling weird. Okay. She was just like I didn't know what I was going to walk into because she hadn't answered that phone. Oh, wow. And I was very nervous. Oh, shit. So she said, I knocked on the door, nothing.

Called out to her, nothing. So she said, that's when I took out my keys and I unlocked the door. That feeling must have been nervous. Horrible. And she said she immediately saw Sophie. Sophie was, I'm going to discuss how she was found just so you know. She was on her back. Her legs were spread wide open.

She was wearing a garter belt, black stockings, and a blue floral house coat and bra that were torn open to expose her. Oh, God. The housecoat was literally ripped open, and she had been sexually assaulted. She was strangled by a stocking in a petticoat that had been ill. intertwined. Uh-huh. Because you know, in the other ones we mentioned, too, that he used these, whether it was the Boston Strangler or Copycats, they tended to use multiple items to, like, layer

this big bow that they would make. Mm-hmm. On the carpet near her body, police found some stains. Okay. Turned out to be semen. Gross. Which is very different from the other scenes. Right.

So when Gloria found her, this is just really sad. She said one of the first thoughts she had was, oh my God, what am I going to tell her mother? Oh, God. And she said the reason she thought this immediately was because when Sophie moved in with them, she said she had promised her mother that she would take care of her.

And she said, I told her, don't worry. Oh, God. And now Sophie had actually told her father weeks earlier when she visited home in New Jersey that she was terrified of this killer on the louis. Oh, my God. And her parents weren't worried because she was so careful. And she wasn't an old lady.

Exactly. And all the reports were saying there's no sign of force entry he's being let in. Right. And Sophie would never let somebody in. So this whole thing is very weird, obviously, because it completely goes against the normal pattern of the killer. The methods are the same, but the victim profile takes a sharp turn here. Right.

And all of the other women, so all the other women are, elderly and white. This was a beautiful young African-American woman. And killers just don't do that. Cillers, serial killers rarely deviate at all. Yeah, from their victim half. But if they deviate slightly, it is slightly. It's not going to be age, race, and, you know, situation. And especially a sexual serial killer to deviate, that's almost unheard of. Yeah. Because they have a type that going towards. Now, it wasn't just the victim profile that changed in this one, though, like that she was African-American.

And, well, the first crimes in part one, like we mentioned, were called perfect crimes because he left nothing and he took nothing. And this one, he left a big old sign. He left ship behind here. And he left semen. I mean, that's a big thing to leave behind. Seriously. Even though DNA was not something that people still, you left something behind.

She had also not been assaulted with an object. Okay. Which is totally different from the other ones. And this is a huge deal, this one thing, because the previous victims that were assaulted with objects, that fact was never printed in any media or release to the public. Oh. All of the sexual assaults with foreign objects, none of it was released to the public. Okay.

So no one knew that. So this, if this was a copycat killer, they wouldn't know about this. particular piece of ritualistic behavior. So they wouldn't be able to add it into the scene to really sell the strangler thing. Right. So it makes it look like a copycat who was like, oh, they were all sexually assaulted. Same. I can do that.

Right. But what they didn't know was that's not how he rolls. Right. So that's an interesting deviation here. An argument for like there, maybe there was to. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, there's just, to me, Sophie. Clark is most certainly not the same killer.

Yeah, I don't think so. But people immediately postulated that Sophie knew her killer. Oh. There were articles about this everywhere. All her friends and family said that this made sense because she never would have opened the door to a stranger one, and especially if she was wearing just a housecoat. Right. They said she was very modest, and they said, even at home, she would never.

no one saw her in a housecoat unless it was like her roommates, her boyfriend, somebody who she really knows. So there's no way she would have opened that door wearing that floor of housecoat. Her roommate said a man named Bob Payton had actually taken Sophie out before that, like recently, and he had been in their apartment. Okay. Neighbors said that he had been in the building on the day that Sophie was found. Interesting. One neighbor said he even knocked on her door and appeared like weird.

and like sketchy and sweaty. And he said that he was there to borrow a book from her husband. That's weird. And she was like, no. And just kind of shit. No. Like she was like, I don't know who you are.

Police actually interrogated him and he failed two polygraphs. Oh. Which obviously can go either way, but still interesting. Do you think that he was going to attack that woman? I don't know. That's weird. It's just a weird behavior. Yeah.

And he was just released because they didn't have anything really to tie him. I haven't just seen. You can't keep someone for a polygraph. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's not enough evidence because it's so variable. Right. They can't rely on that shit. So they, he just was released.

But Bob Peyton looks like a good one to me for that crime. Yikesies. Now, the next victim was three weeks later. It was on New Year's Eve in 1962. New Year's Eve? I'm saying. I love that holiday. I know you do.

Don't ruin that for people. The victim was 23-year-old Patricia Bessette. No, I'm 23. So we're sticking with low 20s here, which again, low 20s. Now, I'm concentrating on these two victims, like going into more detail with them, because to me, these two are totally different outliers to me. Patricia Bessette was attending Middlebury College,

and she had been editor of the yearbook there. She also told people that she was not scared of the Boston Strangler. Girl, don't be running around saying that. It's like an urban legend when the girl with the radio show was like, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then we. Exactly. Off. You're done for.

That was a perfect description of that. Yeah. Oh, I'm not victim. No, the radio. I just love how you're like the girl with the radio show was like, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, that's what she was like. And then off. That's what happened.

That was the scene. That was what the storyboard looked like. And if I could recreate it any other way, I wouldn't. No, and obviously she's not victim. We're just saying, just don't put it into the universe that you're not scared. It's like all the movies that the people are like, I'm not scared of that. Yeah, and then it always ends up happening. So just don't do it, you know, just be a little careful.

Yeah. So Patricia worked as a receptionist or a secretary at an engineering company called Engineering Systems Inc. Inc. And it was located in Kenmore Square. Fun. Fun, Kenmore Square. Hashtag Fenway. Yeah.

So the vice president of this company, Jules Rothman, who becomes very important. Jules. He showed up at her apartment that day at 515 Park Drive to give her a ride to work. Who is this man's? The vice president of the company. Okay. How old is this man's? When I read that, I was like, huh, what's going on?

Weird. How many vice presidents give their secretary a ride to work? You know, I'm just putting it out there, Jules. Well, she didn't answer the door, according to him. Okay. And he figured she overslept or something, so he just went to work. Because he was like, I got to go to work. I'm the vice president.

Okay. The day went on. She still never showed up, so he got a little worried, and he attempted to call. He said he called a few times, and he got no answer. So this was very unlike her, so he got worried, and he decided to drive back to her apartment to check on her. Mm-hmm. She didn't answer the knocking on the door or calling to her.

So he ended up getting a janitor in the building to give him a step ladder, and he crawled through the window. Okay. When he got in there, he opened the door for the janitor. And as soon as he opened it, Jules apparently said to the janitor, she's dead. She's got a stocking around her throat. Okay.

And the janitor was like, oh, shit. But that's the first thing he said. As soon as he opened the door, he was like, she's dead. She's got a stocking around her throat. Like it's the strangle. Like just saying, looks the exact same. So Patricia Bissette was found in bed and she was in a bra and a blue and red housecoat. There was a sheet and a blanket that were pulled up to her chin and they were smoothed out.

That's interesting. She had been like very carefully laid into bed. Underneath that, she had been strangled with four pieces of clothing. Uh, directly against her neck, there was a knotted blouse. Over that, a nylon stocking, and then two stockings tied together in a big bow. Okay. The medical examiner said there were no signs of trauma other than the strangulation, but there was evidence that sexual activity had occurred recently.

They couldn't tell if it was rape or not, but it had occurred recently. Okay. No signs of forced entry into the apartment. She was one month pregnant. Oh. Yes. Sis. So the police immediately interrogate Jules Rothman.

Yeah. Because shit looked like Sophie's did. They were like... They were a month pregnant. Wow. Yeah. And it looked like someone she knew did this. Mm-hmm.

Just like Sophie's. Jules Rothman was married with kids and was having an affair with Patricia Bissette. Was he the dad? They think he was the... And he believed he was the dad of that child. So the interrogation is bonkers. You can, there's a total account of this interrogation in a really great book about this case that I was using for some of the research called the Boston Stranglers. And it's by Susan Kelly, who believes there are more than one Boston Strangler.

Right. It's a really good book. She got so much information and she has a total transcript of this interrogation. Oh, cool. And it's crazy. So police asked, was she, and this is just, you look at it and you're like, damn. Oh gosh. Police asked, quote, was she an easy girl to have intercourse with?

Oh, wow. Is that, wow? Just right out the gate. Okay. And Jules replied. Yeah, like just give it to me straight. And Jules replied, quote, yes, that is the trouble with her. It wasn't trouble for you, you sack of regurgitated bile.

Like, what do you mean? That's the shitting me or you? That's the trouble with her? You didn't seem to have trouble with it. Well, he's trying to make it look like she's super promiscuous. Well, that's the thing I'm like. Fuck you, man. Yeah, go fuck yourself, Jules.

Why don't you go home to your three kids, asshole? What's the trouble with you? You're married with kids. Right. Oh, bitch. Fucking Jules. You're not a jewel. You're a jewel pod.

So then they asked, so she didn't say no a lot. And he replied, not to me. Well, yeah, you were like in a relationship. And it's also like gross. Yeah, like, oh, you're so special. Gross, sir. Yeah. Fuck you.

Gross on all accounts. Fuck yourself, Jules. That's when they started pressing about whether he knew that she was pregnant or not. Uh-huh. Because they were like, because I- One month is like very soon. Like she might not have even known. No, I think she definitely knew.

Oh, she did? Yeah, she did. And I was saying, you know, when I first started this, I was like, the police would be in dicks asking that. But I think the police did this because they knew who Jules Rothman was and they were trying to be like, so she was easy, huh? You know what I mean? Like get him to talk like, do, do that. Make him comfortable.

Yeah. And so this is when they started being like, did you know she was pregnant? So when they asked him about it, he said he knew that she had missed her period. Oh. And she had told him, I think I'm pregnant because I haven't had it in over a month. And they said, what was your reaction to that? And he said he got in touch with a friend of his to ask about illegal abortions for her. Uh-huh.

So what's interesting about that is she was having an affair with a married man. Yep. Who just found out she was pregnant and didn't want her to be pregnant. And was attempting to get an illegal abortion for her. And then she's found dead. Yeah, that's troublesome. There's another little troublesome detail. In the book by Susan Kelly, she points out that the body of Patricia was also very differently posed than all the others.

Yeah, like she was like taken care of. was in bed, covers pulled up, covering her body, not exposing her, which indicates it's someone who... Care. Weird. And, you know, anytime we say this, like, when parents, you know, when kids are found in, like, blankets and stuff, it's not like this caring person that did this. It's just like a subconscious thing in your brain.

It's that psychological need when you know or cared about someone at any point. And you're, like, connected to them. That you just subconsciously do things that don't mean you're a good person. Because you're not. You're not. You're not, Jules. Okay. So this covering is important, not just because of what it signifies, but it also covered

the ligatures around her neck, which make it weird that Jules' first thing was she's dead and the stockings around her neck. Oh. You couldn't see it. Oh. And he didn't pull back those covers. Jules. You're fucked up, kid.

So he kind of fucked up. Unfortunately, there wasn't anything concrete tying him to the case, so they couldn't arrest him. Come on. But if you ask me, I think he did it. I am just saying. I hope his wife left him. Honestly, because, ugh. Now, we're going to take a quick step back before we go to victim number nine.

We're going to step back into the late 50s to about 1960. Okay. Before Sophie and Patricia's deaths. It's when there were tons of reports of a man police later referred to as the measuring man, who was going door to door to tell women that they had futures in modeling. This man was super charming and polite. He would talk his way into being let into the apartment saying he was a scout for the, quote, black and white modeling agency.

Oh, and seems legit. Yeah, it seems totally legit. But then it's like in the 1960s people were so much more trusting. because this shit didn't happen. And when he got in there, he would take measurements of the women. The fuck. Mostly without a measuring tape, he would just use his hands. They would say he would put his thumbs together and just, like, put it around your waist to measure.

And they were like, I thought it was weird. I thought it was weird. You know, you don't know. And when he would do that, he would most times try to fondle them while he was doing it. Gross. The man would then try to get the woman to sleep with him. And if she said, no, he would come back later. pick her lock and wait for her in her apartment.

Nope. Yep. He was eventually caught in the process of picking one of these women's locks when she wasn't home. Did he kill them? No. He didn't kill them, but he assaulted women. Oh. Yeah.

May 3rd, 1961, they did, so he was arrested trying to do this thing. Yeah. So May 3rd, 1961, there was one day trial for him, and he was found guilty on eight counts of breaking and entering. Wow. And he was sentenced to 18 or two years in prison and released according to documents in May, in May, 1963. Who do you think that guy was?

Was it Albert? Albert de Salvo. So we just wanted to put that out there. What a fucking weirdo. That according to this, he would have been in jail for the first full year of the Boston Strangler killings. Just keep that in mind. Keep it in mind.

And that would seem to discount him completely. He was in jail. But what? Hold on to it. Hold on to your butts. Because it's going to come back at the end of this episode. So don't worry. You don't have to wait another thing to find out what I mean here.

So on to victim number nine. In March, 1963, in Lawrence, 68-year-old Mary Brown was found on the floor of her apartment. So we're back to regular. We're back to another, quote-unquote elderly person. She was found with her head covered with a sheet. She had been raped, strangled, and beaten in her head. And she had also been stabbed in her breasts with a kitchen fork that was left in her chest. Yes.

A kitchen fork? Yes. Now, this may seem way too different than all the other ones, but this was. but this one kind of seems like it could go along with the elderly ones. Even though it's an escalation, escalations do happen. Yeah, exactly. But why was her head covered with the sheet? That's weird.

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. That seems like that's a variation, but it's also like he did put Jane Sullivan underwater, her face underwater. So maybe that was like a weird covering her face thing. You know, you never know. Later, when DeSalvo confessed to some of these murders, which he did, he said about this one that he said he described the kitchen faucet in her house, perfect.

He was talking about the yellow kitchen radio. And the investigator actually said that sheet you covered her with must have been bloody. And his response was, oh, was it, my God. But was it? And it was. Oh, okay. So those are the kind of things that in part three we're going to go through his confession. Sure.

And literally dissect it. But those are the kind of things that like when he would describe certain things in like great detail that they were like, huh. How does he know this? Right. And now where we are right now, DeSalvo has not been arrested for this crime, remember? Okay. So Victim 10 was on May 8, 1963, on University Road in Cambridge. This victim is 23 years old.

I don't like that theme. Her name was Beverly Salmons, and it was figured out that something was awry when she missed choir practice, which was unlike her. And it alerted people that something was off. Right. She was found on her bed, stretched out, completely naked, stabbed, and strangled. And her hands were tied behind her back. Oh. The thing that made them connect it with this is two silk scarves and a nylon stocking were knotted in a bow around her neck.

Now, this strangulation around her neck was not the cause of death, according to the medical examiner, because they said none of the bones in her neck had been fractured. Okay. And in strangulation, any kind of like thing with the neck, the hyoid bone, which is like a free floating bone on top of your larynx, will break in most cases. If that's not broken, the cause of death is likely not. Strangulation. They use that a lot in like skeletal remains when they're trying to find cause a death. If they find a broken hyoid bone, it points them to striculation.

You're smartest. I just like bones and bodies. That's cool. You should put that on a shirt. I just like bones and bodies. I just like bones and bodies. At murder apparel. That would be a great one.

At murder apparel. So she had been stabbed 22 times. Hoia. Four of those times were in the neck. Oof. 18 were in the chest in the shape of bull's eyes. What? Yeah.

She had been raped. And she had what they think, so this is interesting. Not funny, but interesting. They think that the reason she was not killed by strangulation was because she had very strong throat muscles from singing. Oh. And so it was hypothesized that she was stabbed because strangulation wasn't working. He tried, but he couldn't do it because she had stronger throat muscles. That's so interesting.

That's protecting those delicate things in your neck. Right. That's cool. Isn't that interesting? I mean, that's awful, though, because she's still died. I know. She got stabbed, which is awful. She was a musical therapist and a graduate student in music at Boston University.

The next victim was victim 11. This was on September 8, 1963, and it was in Salem. My favorite fucking place. I fucking love Salem, man. We're going to Salem soon, be itch. We are. I love Salem. I could go there every day.

And we're going to do something cool in Salem. We are. We have something planned. We do. I'm excited about it. It's not a meet and greet. I'm sorry. No, it's not.

But that'd be cool. Maybe we could add that to that day. Yeah, maybe we can do that. Who knows? So the next, this victim was Evelyn Corbin. She was a 58-year-old divorcee, and she had had breakfast with her neighbor that day. Oh.

People said she was very young looking, which is interesting to know. Like Jane Sullivan. Exactly. So she had had breakfast with her neighbor, Flora Manchester. I love that name. And then she went home to dress for Mass at St. Teresa's Church, and they were planning to meet for lunch after. This is wholesome as fuck.

At one o'clock, Flora was getting nervous because she didn't show. So she went to her apartment and she got no response. So she unlocked the door because she had a key. Just so you know, this one is a little graphic and rough. So if you don't want it, press the skip button. Where's my skip button? You don't get one. She found Evelyn draped over her bed with her right leg dangling towards the floor.

Around her neck were two stockings tied in a bow. And a third was wrapped around her left ankle. Weird. And then a fourth was found on the bed. and she had been raped. And you said there was a bow, right? Yeah, and there was a bow. Her underwear had also been stuffed in her mouth.

Oh, Jesus Christ. And again, this scene had traces of semen, which is weird. Very weird. Now, the next victim was victim number 12, and it was on November 25th, 1963. It was 23-year-old. Fuck. Joanne Graff.

Too many 23. She was an industrial designer in Lawrence, and neighbors said she was a quiet, super sweet girl. She was a Sunday school teacher and an artist. She just seemed like a well-rounded individual. She didn't show up for dinner Saturday night or for Sunday church services, so people were like, what the fuck's going on? So the people who knew her friends and family called the police and said, somebody needs to go check. Police were the ones to find her naked body. Oh, no.

Again, graphic crime scene, skip if you don't want to hear. Her blouse was pushed up to her armpits to expose her completely. Two nylon stockings and a leotard were knotted in a bow around her neck. And people said that they did see a man near her apartment that day. And so they said this man was wearing dark green slacks. dark shirt and a dark jacket. Okay. Remember this for later.

Dark, dark, dark. Got it. Because green pants or green man is going to come back. Green man. And that'll probably come back in part three, so hang on to that. Okay. Victim 13 was on January 4th, 1964. It was at 44A Charles Street, and this was the youngest victim and the last victim

attributed to the Boston Strangler. She was 19 years old. Jesus. Yes. Her name was Mary Sullivan. That day on January 4th, she was finishing moving into her new apartment that she would be sharing with two roommates. And it was actually her first full day in the apartment.

Oh, my God. Which is nightmare. And she was probably so excited. And it's like you're all excited and you're all in your nervous because it's a new apartment. And you're like, oh, I don't know this place yet. And then this shit happens. And then these two girls are like, great now we have to live here. And it's like, really?

Yeah. So she had just got a job with Filene's, and I think her roommates were also working at Fine. Filings. I know. TBT. Throw it on back. But I think her roommates also worked there. That's where they all kind of met. That's cute. And if you listen to the Stranglers podcast that I talked about last week, or excuse me, in part one, they go, they talk to her roommates and like her family members and go really in depth into her. so definitely go listen to that because it has a lot of information about her. Apparently she was just super psyched. She had just moved to Boston. So she was just excited. She had a new job, new roommates. She was found murdered by her roommates.

They came home from work and they called to her, but they got no answer. No. So they started making dinner in the kitchen and they called her again from the kitchen because they were starting to get nervous, but they were scared to go in there and look. And when she didn't answer, they said they were terrified. So they opened the door to her room. and they said she knew she was dead right away. Oh, God.

And then they got immediately terrified because they thought the killer could still be in the house. Oh, my God. She was found in the sitting position. Now, this one is... That's weird. This one's really rough. Okay.

Skip, skip, skip, skip, if you do not want to hear a graphic description of sexual assault. Here I am. Skip, skip, skip. So she was found sitting up on her bed. Her back was against the headboard. She had been strangled with two dark stock. that were tied in a big bow. She had been sexually assaulted with a broom handle.

Huh! And this broom handle was left protruding from her body. What? Yes. Even worse, a happy New Year's card was wedged between her feet. What? And there was semen collected from her body. So this killer left her sitting up with,

the broom handle that he had raped her with protruding from her body and a happy New Year's card between her feet. That's so strange. That's fucked up. Yeah. That is beyond fucked up. Like the killer is saying like happy, like, do you think that's why he left it there? Oh no, he's just making a disgusting.

He put a happy New Year's card in front of a raped and dead woman. Like that's so, dick. Ugh. Again, this is just, this. He left them. room in her body. This is like the Ida Erga crime scene where she was

propped up and facing the door. Right, right, right. He likes people walking into this awful shit. I can't imagine like being a fucking 19 year old with like new roommates and like that's how you start your fucking journey of living by yourself.

I honestly can't even imagine. Oh my God. Now just a little aside about Mary Sullivan when she graduated from Barnstable High School in 1962, classmates said that she was happy go lucky and that she was just a sweet girl, very quiet, very unassuming.

And she ended up being the last known victim of the Boston Strangler or Boston Strangler. So this is when Attorney General Edward Brooke, who was the first African-American to hold the job in the whole country. Hey, hey. Interesting. formed the Strangler Task Force. And this was going to allow all information and investigation to fall under one umbrella.

This is where they could all, all the different towns that these were happening in could share all of their shit. And they brought together all the best detectives that had been on all the crime scenes together. So the police were clearly now desperate, and they even sought the help of some clairvoyance. Oh, cool. The first that they sought help from was Paul Gordon. and he was an ad copywriter that was said to have ESP powers. He said the description of the killer of Anne E. Slessers would fit this guy named Arnold Wallace, who was a patient in a mental institution held at Boston State Hospital,

who had escaped on several occasions, most of which coincided with the Strangler writers. He was consulted about the sophist. Clark murder and he actually weirdly had detailed knowledge of her apartment and made a description that fit a guy named Louis Barnett who was the initial suspect in the murder but nothing can concrete came out of any of these. Oh. They couldn't pin them on any of them. All of it kind of fell apart when they tried to connect it.

Right. So it just ended up being like, cool that you could do that. But it didn't work. Yeah. The second psychic was Peter Herco. And he was a well-known psychic, like his whole life. Like, he'd been on other cases. That's so cool.

He ends up not being cool. Oh, no. He showed the police his skills by just coming out with shit. Like one time an officer was late and claimed he had car trouble, but Peter just looked at him and said, that's not true. You're late because you were having sex with your girlfriend. Oh, my God. What a savage.

And I guess the police officer's face was like, what the fuck? And then he said he described. it like how it happened like perfectly. So they were like, all right, maybe you can help us. So they said he drank scotch on the rocks and smoked cigars constantly. Savage. Seems healthy. Seems healthy.

They would just let him hold his hand over evidence or like drive him around until something triggered him. Yeah. One day, the police brought him a letter and they said, what do you think of this? And it was someone they had been slightly looking at as a suspect and they just wanted to see what he thought of it. He didn't open the letter. He just held it and he told the police,

the guy who wrote it had a sharp nose and a scar on his left arm. He was effeminate, tortured, and nervous. His words, not mine. He also said he hated women and sold shoes. Okay. This described the guy perfectly. Oh, shit.

And the guy was Tony Moran and he was a door-to-door salesman who sold nurse's shoes. Interesting. He was being looked at because he was currently in a mental institution. And he was being looked at because of his job having access to women's homes and gaining entry. So he was detained and his apartment was searched. They found a book of yoga drawings with 11 drawings of women X'd out.

And at this point, they only knew of 11 victims. Oh, shit. So they were like, uh, well, unfortunately. his alibi's all checked out and he had honestly no information about the case so it was just a weird and maybe he had done that because he had heard of some of the cases and he was like just being

because he wasn't a mental institution at the time so maybe he was having some kind of moment and just did that so nothing tied him to it at the least and he never became anything else that one was spooky now Peter Hercos left the psychic left Boston after six days

on the investigation and then was arrested a few days later for impersonating an FBI agent and investigating the JFK assassination. What the fuck? Basically, this whole thing was looked at as like a joke. People were like, did you really bring psychics in? Like, what are you doing? And it kind of embarrassed the shit out of the police. Well, it helped.

Like, it, well, they just were trying, man. They were reaching its straws. They didn't have anything. So, a full year of investigating later, it was Detective Phil Donnelly. who really broke it wide open. Phil de Natale is amazing. Like, he's one of those detectives on those cases that you're like, what the fuck?

Like, that guy was born to be a detective. Like, he just does. Those people are so cool. Yeah, he just, like, does the damn thing. But you know what? I bet they know how cool they are. I don't know. I think he just is like.

The bees. Just a badass. It's like Paul Holes. They just don't, they don't even know it. They're just like, yeah. I just do things like that. I hope I marry a dude like that someday. I want to marry Paul Holes.

Yeah, I want to marry Paul Holes. So a friend of Phil said that there was, the way that this all came about was that a friend of Phil came to him and was like, Phil, I got something to tell him. And he was like, this woman wrote to the head of security at Mass General Hospital Friday, January 8th, 1965 and the girl was a nurse in the hospital and she said she had seen a man named Albert de Salvo he had come to her apartment he had told he had like forced his way in told her he was the Boston strangler Jesus raped her and bound her and left her spread eagle Did he think that she was dead probably? I don't think so I think this was just an assault

but this woman remains anonymous to this day and they weren't able to get any more information because she didn't want anyone knowing. Oh, shit. Well, Dean Attali was like, I'm going to follow this shit. He was like, Albert DeSalvo, I got to find out who this guy is. Right. So DeSalvo was already locked up by Cambridge police for breaking and entering, an intention to commit a lascivious and unnatural act.

Totally unrelated to this. Okay. Was this the picking? He was already a creep. This wasn't the picking thing. Oh, this was a totally different thing. And, yeah, they had him for, the B&E, the intention to commit a lascivious in a natural act, he had already committed about four

assaults and rapes in the Cambridge area. Wow. So he was already on like a spree of sexual assault. Right. And he was being held in Bridgewater State Hospital. So the Cambridge police had questioned him immediately about the strangler crimes because they were, you know, sexual assaults. They were asking anybody. Yeah. But he, they got nothing from him. And when they asked him about did he actually answer, don't be absurd? Like, are you the guy? And he was like, don't be absurd. And they were like, all right, well, and that obviously wasn't enough for them to be like,

oh, yeah, that's not the guy. He said it's absurd. He was like, you guys are ridiculous. But the reason they totally discounted him from it was because he was in prison for the measuring man crimes. But what's the... For the first year of the strangling. What's the loophole?

So when Phil went into... So Phil went to the Cambridge police. He was like, I think you have my guy. I think he's the strangler. And they were like, no, dude. Like, I get it. But he was in fucking jail for that whole time. Like, he couldn't have done it.

Tell me what happened. So Phil was like, I just don't. Something is telling me that this is more connected than it is. And somebody is wrong here. Okay. Which is like crazy detective skills. It's instinctive. So he went super into Albert's history.

And he found that, he had been arrested at age 12. What? For two counts of assault and battery. Jesus. His rap sheet in his teens was like for auto theft, breaking and entering, theft, and finally he graduated to starting to rape women. Gross.

So he was already like, this is my fucking guy. Right. So in the late 1950s, he ended up being arrested for rape finally and attempted rape. So he was like, this is all great. But he was not out of jail for the first year of the strangling. murders. Wrong. What? Phil dug deep. And he went into the courthouse archives because he was like, the Cambridge police didn't have on file at that time. They didn't have computers. Yeah. So he didn't have on file all the shit that went down during that. They just, he was sentenced to this. That's when

he was there. Well, when he went into the court archives to see if there was some way that the Cambridge police were incorrect. He was right. Because Albert DeSalvo was paroled in April 1962. Whoa. This is two months before the first victim Anna Slessers was murdered in her apartment, June 14th, 1962. Ending on a fucking bang, bang,

bitch. Whoa. So this is when he was like, holy shit. I've got my dude. And that's where we're going to end part two. Thank you for listening and keep it. No, we're just kidding. But we really are done. Part three is going to be all Albert de Salvo.

And we're going to go into all the other stuff, like how they found out that from his employer, that he was absent on days of the murders. Oh, my God. He came in late on days. I love this shit. When the murders were early. I eat it up. He left early on days that the murders were late. It shit works.

Oh, yeah. We're just going to throw all kinds of shit of you. I love this shit. Can I just tell you, you're doing like a really good job? Thank you. You're welcome. I'm sweating, so I hope I'm doing a good job. All right, guys.

Well, this has been real, and we will see you next week with part three of the Boston Strangler. Yeah. We are going to quickly thank some patronesses. I'm sorry that we're not able to spend more time on each. name here, but we have a lot of patronesses. So we want to make sure your names get shouted out and you get thanked. So number one is Nicole Caldwell. Nicole Caldwell, you sound like a witch. I don't know why that last name always makes me think of a witch, but thank you so much. Thanks, girl. Next is Joshua Morgan. You have Dexter Morgan's last name, and that makes you a badass.

Thank you so much. So thank you so much. There's our different personalities. There you go. Hey, Brittany Waller, you're the fucking best. You're a baller, Brittany Waller. Thank you so much. Thanks, Britt. Laura Trigg, you're the best. You are. I'm going to pull Trigg and say your name.

There you go. Hey, yo. Thank you so much. Madonna in the house. Hey, oh. Thank you, Erica. So hot right now. Thank you so much.

You know who else is so hot right now? Who else? Andrea. Andrea, so hot right now. Thank you. So much. Liz Ferguson, I'd like to give you a big old thing. I love you, Liz Ferguson.

Fergie? Thanks. Thank you. Harley Ann. Your name's Harley, so that's a cool name. I bet nobody fucks with you. I just want to hang out with you, so thank you, Harley. Thank you.

Girl, if I butcher your last name, I'm just so sorry. Rachel Kazmirski. Rachel Kajmirsky, that's just a great lot. Any name that ends in ski, I just love. I do too. I think it's great. I think it sounds good in my mouth. I love you.

Thank you. Thanks, Rachel. We then have, oh, I like this last name, Jasmine Berringer. Jasmine Berringer, you're a whole new world. Yes, thank you, Jasmine. I love you so much, Jasmine, thank you. Do you know who else I love? Who else?

Andrea Rashid. Andrea Rashid. Don't you love her? You get out of town. I love you. I love you, Andrea. Thank you. And I have a little bit of love left to give for this one last person who is Lisa Flowers.

Lisa Flowers. Which is convenient because I doodeled flowers. all over this page. She did. So your name is surrounded by flowers. So thank you so much, Lisa Flowers. I would give you a bouquet of flowers. Thank you to all of our motherfucking patrons. You guys are the fucking tits. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

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