Morbid - The Bridgewater Triangle Part 1

Episode Date: June 18, 2019

In this first installment of a mini-series concentrating on the bizarre and sinister happenings in Massachusetts' Bridgewater Triangle, we go over the history of this seemingly cursed land and some of... the more paranormal aspects of the triangle. Next week, we dive into some gruesome crimes that have occurred within the area as well. Hold onto your butts because Massachusetts is crazy, guys. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is morbid, a full size. Sure is. She thick. We're so funny. Guys, just shut up, we're funny. We're hilarious.
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Starting point is 00:00:57 Bye. So we don't really have a whole lot of business to attend to this week. And I think this might be a long episode again. So you guys love long episodes. So we're here for you. You really do. We want to give the people what they want. want. And one of the things we just wanted to quickly mention and just throw out there is how great
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Starting point is 00:03:34 It's kind of for us. And you should do it. We love you. Go buy it. Bye. Murder apparel. We love you. So, tonight's episode is about the Bridgewater Triangle, which we are in the center of. Yeah, we are like right in there. Can we say that?
Starting point is 00:03:53 We are in there right now. Yeah, because we're in there. Do you remember? There's a lot of towns in there, so. Do you remember the time that that ghost hugged me in the Bridgewater Triangle? I do remember that. What? What?
Starting point is 00:04:03 A ghost hugged, yeah, ghost hugged ash in the, in the Bermuda Triangle. In the Bruea, I mean, maybe I've been there before, too. In the Bridgewater Triangle. I'm really popular among ghosts. I like to hang out in triangles a lot. I'm not super popular among the living, but... The dead, A. So this is going to be a series of sorts.
Starting point is 00:04:24 I'm not going to split into parts because it's not like it's one continuous story. It's like... But there's so many stories to tell. There's just so many fun things about this that I feel like cramming it all, like, you know, just skipping things or like just rolling over things too quick. Would not do this justice. And since this is like our home... that we feel very connected to,
Starting point is 00:04:45 I feel like I want to give it its due diligence. So this is going to be kind of a series. Hopefully you guys dig it. Tonight we're going to be talking about the history of the Bridgewater Triangle, how it became to be this crazy, haunted, satanic, like, sinister place, how we think it did at least, because what our theory is. Who the fuck knows, really. It's pretty unexplainable.
Starting point is 00:05:11 We're going to give some history, some background, and we're going to talk mostly about some cryptids that are seen in the Bridgewater Triangle. We have a guest feature this week. We have a firsthand account from my good friend and beloved fellow human Lil. She's cool. She's amazing. I met her once at Target. That's how you know somebody's cool if you meet them at Target. It's true.
Starting point is 00:05:37 She's great. And I think we're also just going to, it's going to be more of the paranormal side. today and we'll continue that a little bit next time and then we'll move on to some of the you know real murders that have taken place here and some real like sinister shit remind me to tell you my first hand account of outsider my driveway yeah of the Bridgewater training at the end of this yeah I just realized I could tell that story I'm so excited right now exactly I know exactly which one you're talking about I just got goosebumps so now we have two first hand accounts so strap in hold on to those butts hold on to your books hold on to your books
Starting point is 00:06:11 So the Bridgewater Triangle, it's a 200 square triangle. It's just a square triangle. Yeah, the square triangle. 200 square mile triangle in southeastern Massachusetts. And it boasts a very impressive and one might say quite overindulgent amount of paranormal, strange, spooky, gruesome, sinister, and even murderous activity. Awesome. It's a great place.
Starting point is 00:06:39 10 out of 10 recommend. It's a very metal triangle. It is screaming the morbid theme song. It's just fact. It's very metal. It's like the Bermuda triangle, except different in almost every conceivable way, apart from geometry. Aside from the fact that they're both triangles. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Like a lot of people are like, oh, the Bermuda Tend, it's like, yeah, it's like the same thing, except not at all. Like, we don't have planes going missing or like anything like that. So you're telling me Amelia Earhart is not. in my backyard. Probably not. All right. I don't think so at least, but, you know, I don't know everything. Maybe a giant African cat, though. It's 200 square miles, so I don't know at all. But there's definitely a giant cat, though. That's for sure. Yeah. We'll get to that later. Don't worry. It's revolving mostly around an epicenter, which is the 17,000 acre, Hockamock Swamp. The swamp is 17,000 acres? 17,000 acres.
Starting point is 00:07:38 That's also what they call our sports, like, uh, yeah, like our sports division was the Hockock League. Yeah. So we, we really like feed into this ship. It also, the center is the Hockamok Swamp, but it's also the Freetown Fall River State Forest is also. That's where I drove past that lady with the bloody face. Exactly, which if you haven't listened to that episode,
Starting point is 00:08:02 I don't remember which one it was. I think it was just in the beginning of a random episode. It was. I'll tell that story at the end. Yeah. So the triangle's points are at Abington at the tip of the triangle. Freetown at the bottom right or the southeastern part and Rehoboth to the southwest. Those are the tips. No one obviously has a definitive answer for why there's so much activity in this area. But obviously some ship must have gone down here to cause some real bad juju to permeate the landscape in such a gnarly way. It's got a lot of bad energy.
Starting point is 00:08:34 Well, it's widely agreed upon that the craziness is due to the way Massachusetts settlers treated the Native American population that was here before them. Which I'm sure you can briefly imagine. It was not great. No. And I say Massachusetts settlers, I mean English settlers, obviously. In 1675, Massachusetts was separated into Massachusetts Bay Colony and Plymouth Colony. It was in the summer of this year that the local Native American population, consisting mostly of Wampanoag and Pocanoket tribe members,
Starting point is 00:09:10 had enough of the English Shettler shit. Shuttle or shit. Shuttle or shit. I've had enough of these shuttler shits, and I'm going to fight back. Because I mean like, what the fuck, right? Yeah. If you're a Native American, you're like, come on. I lived here first.
Starting point is 00:09:24 What the actual fuck. They were led by Chief Mediom, also known as Chief Metacomet, Chief PaMedicom, and King Philip. He's known in history books as all of these, so no one fucking try to correct me. And he's not a different guy. It's just one dude. Known by multiple names. Yeah, I'm going to refer to him mostly as Metacomet and King Philip. Okay. But Metacomet was the second son of Massasoyant, who was the tribal leader that formed an alliance with the Mayflower Pink Pilgrims in 1621 and helped them basically get their shit together in the new world. Remember Thanksgiving.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Yeah, and he just, and he, like, helped them. Like, he was, like, he, like, formed an alliance. He was like, all right. If you're all gonna be here, we might as well be chill with each other. So he was like this good dude. Fun fact, one of the community colleges here is called Massasoya. Hey. Spun that other.
Starting point is 00:10:19 Not the one I went to. Nope. And Massasoit died sometime around 1660 or 1661. And he was, like, 81 years old. Wow, so that was, like, super up there for the time. Good for him. his oldest son Wamsuda and I might be saying that wrong and I apologize if you know how to say it let us know exactly because this one I'm just not I'm pretty good at most of these pronunciations but Wem Suda I believe it is he succeeded him in fun little like aside in Freetown there's a rock called profile rock which we'll mention again later because we're going to talk about some weird fucking rocks in Massachusetts and it's a natural granite formation that people think was from a glacial formation Oh, wow.
Starting point is 00:11:03 And if you look at it in profile, it very much resembles a human face. Wow. And people think it looks like an elder Native American, and people think it's an image of Chief Massasoyat. And they said, you know, that's why it's now it's sacred ground still considered. So when Massasoyat died, Wamsuda, who was becoming chief now succeeding him, decided in recognition of this to change his name, they did often when like English settlers came.
Starting point is 00:11:35 And they asked Plymouth leaders for an English name. Okay. They named him Alexander Pocanokit. So Alexander also asked the English to give his brother, Mediom, a name too. And they called him Philip. Mm-hmm. That's how he later became King Philip. Got it.
Starting point is 00:11:55 Which is also a town in Massachusetts. It is. Or not a town, excuse me. Which is also a high school in Massachusetts. Wait, for I, for, for, I agreed with you, but I knew you were wrong. I was like, it is. In my brain, it was like, no, it's not.
Starting point is 00:12:08 And as I was saying it, I was like, nope, that's wrong information, but I like finished the sentence. But do you love that? I was like, it is. And King Philip High School in Massachusetts is like three different towns put together. And it's unfair because they're really fucking good at sports because they have three fucking options. They really are. I just want to ask me if I'm not about it. In 1662, the Plymouth colonists began out of nowhere to kind of.
Starting point is 00:12:33 to like suspect that the natives might be planning to attack the colony. Okay. They were like, meh, I don't know. We did come in here and just like rip all your land away. Could you be angry at us maybe? Perhaps. And so they arrested Alexander. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Phillips' older brother. And he was like, dude, I was just trying to live peaceful me. Yeah, he's like, peacefully amongst y'all. Yeah. So he was brought to Plymouth and he had to stand trial and he had to prove his loyalty to the crown. Okay. Which must be like a real pain in the mouth. So after proving loyalty, the English released him, but while he was there, he had contracted a disease while in Plymouth.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Oh no. On the way home he died. Oh no. What a bummer. And then King Philip was fucking pissed. Well, rumors began to spread among the Wampanoags that he had been poisoned by the colonists. Which is believable. So he died, and Philip, his younger brother, Metacomet, took over as chief.
Starting point is 00:13:31 So this is when the colonists decided to continue to press the whole, Are you going to attack us business? And made him come to a meeting in Plymouth too. And he was like, yeah, I don't want to go there because my brother died there. Well, and basically he went. He was like, all right, I'm trying to keep peace here. So basically he told them, I love the crown. It's awesome.
Starting point is 00:13:51 I won't attack your dumbasses unless warranted. And I plan to honor my family's loyalty to your stupid faces too. Yeah. That's in the history books. That's exactly what he said. It's a brief summary. So for a while, there was a lot of land being sold back and forth and settled between the Native Americans and the settlers. But there were tons of disputes here because they would promise not to encroach on Native land.
Starting point is 00:14:15 And then they would like go ahead and encroach on Native land. So there was a whole lot of like, hey, we, you said you wouldn't do that. You promised you wouldn't do that, maybe don't. And then they'd sell it out. It was just a bunch of shit. So in 1671, apparently looked like a war might be happening at some point. Right. Because tensions were high.
Starting point is 00:14:33 In March of 1671, Philip apparently made a gesture that to the colonists signaled that he was getting ready to wage war on them. So he got a band of armed warriors and he marched into the town of Swansea in Plymouth County. But he didn't attack anyone. He just marched in there. Okay. Not sure what he did. So the colonists were like, um, so they made him come to Taunton, Massachusetts to explain why he did this. Okay. They were like, why did you just march in here?
Starting point is 00:15:03 And he was like, I was actually having a parade. Thank you. He was like, it's fine. On April 10th, 1671, Philip went to Taunton. They were, he was questioned by the colonists. And after being pressed on the matter, Philip was like, yeah, I kind of am plotting war against you. And they were like, why? And he was like, I don't want to get into it. Like, he just didn't explain. He was like, you know what? And I'm doing.
Starting point is 00:15:30 what I'm doing. Like, good for him, man. He's just like, you know what, guys. I think you can, maybe you can put the puzzle together yourself. I don't know. Stop selling my damn land. Yeah, stop being shitty. So the colonists then demanded Philip sign a peace treaty.
Starting point is 00:15:45 And this peace treaty was going to require the Wampanoags to surrender all their arms. No. Which he did. But he never gave up his remaining weapons that weren't with them. He was like, sure, you can have these. He was like, loophole, bitch. A loophole. So this is when things get really tense
Starting point is 00:16:04 because they were still demanding all those guns in arms, but he was refusing. And then they demanded his allies guns and some of them surrendered. Okay. So Philip was accused in a war council of being insolent and basically aiding and abetting, quote, strange Indians that posed a threat against the English.
Starting point is 00:16:25 So like, he was probably pissed off at all this. He's like, can we stop now? Nathaniel Morton, who was, the Secretary of Plymouth Colony Court sent a letter to Massachusetts Bay Colony Government saying he wanted to summon Philip to Plymouth on September 13th and said they were thinking if he didn't show then they would use military force on the 20th to quote
Starting point is 00:16:46 reduce him to reason oh so the Massachusetts government said yeah totally but that might make Philip break all ties with the colony they were like just warning good luck with that he's probably not going to be psyched that you do that he ended up meeting with them at the time they asked those they didn't have to reduce him with force but he was like guys seriously just leave me the fuck alone right he literally was like can you just leave us alone like that's all we're asking just leave us alone i don't want to be friends with you anymore so it was declared that there was insufficient cause for plymouth to propose war against philip during this
Starting point is 00:17:20 council because they really wanted to yeah and they were like no you can't do that so plimuth then consented to give philip another week to turn over his weapons and as asked that commissioners from Massachusetts and Connecticut be present at the next meeting. Okay. On September 24th, 1671, Philip and the mediators from Massachusetts and Connecticut went to Plymouth, like planned. Philip was totally set up, though, because when he got there, those mediators from Massachusetts and Connecticut who were supposed to be on his, like, kind of on his side to just
Starting point is 00:17:54 mediate this whole thing, they sided with Plymouth and were like, quote, amend your ways or we're going to war with you. Meanwhile, the whole time they were like, we don't want to go to war. Yeah. So it's like, so he's like, guys, what the actual fuck? Right. Mixed messages. So there's lots more land disputes.
Starting point is 00:18:11 And then an elder Native American named John Sassamon that worked with the settlers as an interpreter for the Native Americans, he was murdered. Oh, no. And it was thought that three Wampanoag tribesmen did it. Mm-hmm. And they were tried and hanged for it. But people thought Philip had ordered. that murder because he was paranoid about sassim and giving settlers their secrets or something. He denied any of this.
Starting point is 00:18:37 Okay. So the battle was kind of kicked off with this, the great battle that we're going to talk about. And most people think that this is the beginning of King Phillips War. So King Phillips War began in Swansea, Massachusetts in June. Poconoket Warriors raided, looted, and burned several homes. And one of the Pocanokinoket Warriors was shot and killed by a crime. colonist. Philip was pissed, so he ordered an attack on Swansea on June 24th, 1675, which became the
Starting point is 00:19:10 first official battle of King Philip's war. So in response to all this, the colonial troops marched to Mount Hope, which was King Phillips' like base of operation, kind of. They wanted to find him and they wanted to find his men, but they found that Philip had already fled for Procasset. He was already out of there. He was like, bye. Wampanoags attacked Middleboro, Massachusetts,
Starting point is 00:19:34 and then Dartmouth, Massachusetts in July of 1675. And the attacks continued while troops tried to find Philip in Pocasset Swamp later that month. So Philip and his troops managed to escape once they were found in the swamp. And they went down the swamp on rafts and fled Pocassette, Massachusetts. So the battles went on for the rest of the year. And in the meantime, Christian Native Americans throughout the colony were rounded up and imprisoned to prevent them from joining Phillips team. It's craziness. So in January of 1676, Philip and his warriors went to Mohawk territory in New York.
Starting point is 00:20:17 And they were trying to seek like an alliance with that tribe. Right. But unfortunately for him, Governor Edmund Andro had already offered the Mohawk tribe an alliance. an alliance in exchange for assistance against Philip. Oh, shit. So they were already against them. They had already agreed. Because the Mohawks were like, yep, and they attacked Philip.
Starting point is 00:20:37 What he got there? Oh, no. So he was driven back to New England. Oh, fuck. Because he was like, well, I don't have an alliance here. This is wild. It is. It's crazy.
Starting point is 00:20:45 I learned about this, but I forgot a lot of it. Yeah, it's like a really interesting little piece of, like Massachusetts history. It really is. By the spring, the war went to Rhode Island and Connecticut. Like, it spread that far. So in July of 1676, Philip and his troops went back to the Pocasset region of Rhode Island, where it had begun basically the year before. And they hid in local woods and swamps.
Starting point is 00:21:12 And Native Americans were very familiar at that time with all the nooks and crannies and all that of the swamps and everything in the woods. So that was smart. They knew they were going to have colonists trekking out in there. Right. So English troops led by Captain Benjamin Church began going all through Plymouth, Massachusetts, trying to find Philip and his soldiers. They wanted Philip. Oh, no.
Starting point is 00:21:36 On July 20th, Benjamin Church found Phillips camp near Bridgewater, Massachusetts, and he led an attack on the camp. So Philip managed to escape, but his wife and son were captured and sold into slavery in the West Indies. Yeah. And according to a first-hand account by Benjamin Church, because it's in a book, History of King Philip's War, so this is his first-hand account. Yeah. The Native Americans told Church that Philip was absolutely heartbroken by the capture of his family.
Starting point is 00:22:11 Oh, no. Like it destroyed him. So by late summer of 1676, the war was starting to chill out, but Philip was still not found. He was still on the run. because he was like, I'm going to avenge. Yeah, he was pissed. I will avenge.
Starting point is 00:22:27 On August 12th of that year, church got a tip that Philip was in the Wampanoag village called Montau. So he went with a bunch of his dudes and he found Philip's small camp of warriors near a place that later became known as King Philip's seat and is still known that way today. And I mean, he was found, he was deep in the whole. hawk-mock swamp because again white dudes were scared of the swamp yeah so Philip was shot where he was sitting by
Starting point is 00:23:02 a Native American named John Alderman who was one of church's soldiers he was kind of like a defector oh shit so he was like um because they were all like a Christian soldiers ones that like took on that religion were like kind of defectors and went to the other side
Starting point is 00:23:18 so he was one so they he was killed he was shot killed and Philip was then hanged drawn and quartered. Whoa. Because that's the punishment for a subject of the crown who has been accused of treason. Mm-hmm. Go listen to our torture episode. It's a good one.
Starting point is 00:23:34 We talk about drawing and quartering. It was horrific. Church gave Phillips head and hand to John Alderman as a reward. I don't want it. And that's according to Church himself. He was like, oh yeah, I did that. I don't want it. So Alderman sold Phillips head to Plymouth authorities for 30 shillings.
Starting point is 00:23:52 and it was placed on a stake in Plymouth County where it remained for 25 years. This is very Game of Thrones. Casual and fragrant, I'm sure. Ew. We're like pungent. Like very pungent. Phillips hand was sent to Boston for display.
Starting point is 00:24:12 Of course. Because why not? And the four quarters of his body were strung up in four trees where they hung until they just wasted away. yummy. Like everything must have just smelled like shit back then. Oh, 100%.
Starting point is 00:24:27 They used to just throw their shit out the window. Yeah, like it's just garbage. Garbage. Just the whole place. Like, get it together. Wow. Although what may seem he got a very bum rap, which he did, King Philip,
Starting point is 00:24:39 he's now seen in like a heroic light. Like he came out of it looking like a hero here. And he's kind of known as one of the greatest Native American leaders in our history. Meanwhile, all the non-Christian Native Americans left after all this war and everything. They were like, fuck this place. Yeah, well, they were rounded up and sold into slavery. Oh.
Starting point is 00:25:00 So they really, like, there's a lot of shit going down here that is not creating a lot of good juju. Now, it should be noted that this war was unprecedented in brutality. Yeah. Innocent men, women, and children were slaughtered throughout. And it was gory as fuck. I mean, it was a gruesome shit show all around. King Phillips War remains the bloodiest conflict in American history per capita. That is insane.
Starting point is 00:25:28 5% of Massachusetts combined population was killed in this battle. Holy shit. It's estimated that 500 English settlers died and 3,000 Native Americans died during this battle. So that's why this land is probably cursed. Probably or definitely. You should. Well, that's the consent. That's what everybody kind of looks at as like, that's probably where the bad juju
Starting point is 00:25:55 began. But there's also some people who have another little side note about this. Hit me up. They think that maybe this evil shit in this land like predates that whole thing. And that was actually a product of the already sullied land. Tell me what happened. Well, they said, but that's the thing. Nobody knows what happened before that.
Starting point is 00:26:18 But they're just saying maybe this land. is just inherently evil. And that was just a part of it. Like King Phillips War being this bloody awful, like the, you know, taking away 5% of Massachusetts combined population was just due to this land being so evil. Oh, I'm stressed. Personally, I think King Phillips War was where it all began.
Starting point is 00:26:43 Because it all kind of stems back to that. Yeah. Because it was fine before when the Native Americans had it. They seemed like they were having a fine time. So. Yeah. Now, we're going to go back to the honk-a-mock swamp. Sounded like you said honk-a-munk.
Starting point is 00:26:55 We're going to go back to the honk-mongk swamp. The hokamok swamp. The hawk-a-mock swamp, which is, again, the epicenter. Epacenta. It has the most tales and stories and sightings, for sure. Like we said, it's 17,000 acres, so it covers a lot of ground. I didn't know it was that big. That's fucking wild.
Starting point is 00:27:16 Yeah, it's insane. 17,000 acres. Well, when you think it's, so the towns that it runs, through our Bridgewater, Easton, Raynham, Taunton, West Bridgewater, and some parts of Norton. I mean, it's beautiful, it's creepy, it's spooky, it's mystical. It's ancient as fuck. Like when you look at it, you're just like, whoa, that's ancient. Like, that's exactly what you say immediately.
Starting point is 00:27:39 You walk in there and you're just like, whoa, that's ancient. Like you have. I loved that. That should be a shirt. Whoa. Whoa, that's ancient. It really is, though. It's got a lot of, you know, amazing wildlife.
Starting point is 00:27:54 It's important to the ecosystem. It's crazy and poignant to... In point. It's like, why can't I talk tonight? I don't know. And I'm sorry, I keep calling you out for it, but that one was funny. It's crazy important to all the town's water supplies. I mean, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:28:10 Like we said, it's ancient. It's got all these things. Did I say it was mystical? It's mystical. Yeah. It's so mystical. But it's scary. That's fuck, too.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I feel like mystical things are like sort of scary. Yeah, I feel like it goes hand in hand. Totes. So according to the documentary that everybody should go watch on this because it's really good one, it's just called the Bridgewater Triangle. I think you can find it on Amazon Prime. There are at least, this is going to blow your mind. Or at least it blew mine, I don't know.
Starting point is 00:28:36 Poof. Hold on to your minds. There are at least at this point a thousand graves out there that are at least 8,000 years old. Whoa. Like what? Holy shit. Right?
Starting point is 00:28:52 Like that just, I can't even wrap my brain around that. Spook. Spook. And throughout that time, it's always been seen as sacred land to American, Native Americans. This is the Hock Mawkamok Swamp. This swamp was where, I mean, this was where they lived, where they hunted, where they hid before, during, and after King Phillips War. So it's like, it has a lot of gory battles happened throughout the swamp.
Starting point is 00:29:18 they are still finding bones in the swamp in Native American burial grounds. They are found all the time. Ooh. Which, I mean, if you've seen any, if you've seen Paltorkeist, if you've seen any movie, you know that, like, you shouldn't be fucking around with Native American burial grounds. You just shouldn't do it. Definitely not. People say that when they go in or around the swamp that they get this feeling of being watched
Starting point is 00:29:43 or, like, followed. They get it, like, immediately. They also say that they get this. uncomfortable, like sick feeling when they go through. There's been tons of sightings of different cryptids. There's like ape-like biped creatures. Whoa, big foot's, big feet. I'm pretty sure you.
Starting point is 00:30:01 I think multiple big foot are big feet, which is funny to me. I love that. I think that's hilarious. Like, look at that gaggle of big feet over there. Holy shit, I saw like three big feet. I saw those big feet just hanging out over there. But people have seen them. There's been sightings of enormous bird.
Starting point is 00:30:18 birds, huge snakes, giant cats, red-eyed dogs that are huge and wolves. Red-eyed dogs, no things. Yeah, no good. Red-eyed anything, I'm not interested. You don't want red eyes, that's no good. No, get some byzine. Yeah, do it. They've all been reported inside the swamp land and in the towns that it runs through.
Starting point is 00:30:39 Lauren Coleman is a famous cryptozoologist, and he moved in the 1970s from California to Cambridge, Massachusetts. where he became like entranced by the Bridgewater Triangle. It must be super interesting, especially if that's like already your job title. He was actually the one who figured out where the triangle points were and what were encompassed. And he was the one who coined the Bridgewater Triangle. Oh shit.
Starting point is 00:31:05 In his book, Mysterious America, which is a very interesting book. Now let's talk about the big feat. Okay. Let's do it. In 1970, a ton of people saw a huge, huge, hairy, ape-like thing in these areas, sometimes on two legs, and we're sometimes running on all fours, which freaks me out, right? Like, I can't, that image of like, like, I can handle
Starting point is 00:31:32 the big foot image of, like, him just, like, strolling through, like. Because I just picture Chewbacca, like, rolling through the woods being like, oh, you know. Exactly. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. That was a very good news. Thank you. Thank you. Good night. Thank you and good night. But when you see them going on all fours. I'm like, nope. Not interested. No, I don't want to be there. I'm busy that day and all the days following. They found footprints. Shit.
Starting point is 00:32:00 Yeah, which I mean, I'm just saying. Just throwing it out there, folks. I don't know. And for two days in 1970 and two nights, Bridgewater Police and Massachusetts State Police did like a massive search and brought like search dogs. And they were actually thinking they were looking for like, a bear. They were like, it must be a bear. That must have been so fun. Right? Like, you're looking for big feet.
Starting point is 00:32:24 Yeah. Even though you're saying you're looking for a bear. You're really going on a big foot. You're looking for big feet. You're nerding the fuck out when you're doing that. You fucking go and looking for big feet. You are. Do it. They didn't end up finding it, but still it happened. I want to know where Bigfoot feet goes. Bigfoot feet. When they're hiding. I know. Like, you're huge. Where do you hide? They are smarter than I.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I mean, obviously. I'm sure there's a lot of things out there smarter than us. Yeah, I'd say so. Another, this is kind of a crazy story. In 1978, a man, and I believe his uncle, shot what they thought was a bear in the swamp. But when it got shot, it cried out like a human. Excuse me?
Starting point is 00:33:09 But they said it was like this hairy, huge thing. That's terrifying. Can you imagine you do that, and that's the reaction you get? And then you just look at your dad, and your dad looks at you and you just sit there looking at each other like dad son what so do we walk away from this murder or what do we do where do we go should we call someone let's not and also like when it says cried out like a human i just picture like uh-uh you think that's the noise you make when you get shot or like you're fucked i think he like i bet he like yelped or did he say or was he
Starting point is 00:33:46 like what the fuck asshole they like scampered off i vote for that one I feel like that's very human, just being like, oh, God, shit. I think I like that one. Yeah, well, then he just ran away, whatever he said or did or whales. Oh, so they did, he got away? He ran away, yeah. But when they went closer to where it was, because they were like, what the hell? They found, like, bloody hair on, like, hanging off of a tree.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Buy. Yeah, like fur hair. They said it was, like, a lot, and it was bizarre. And then they moved to Nebraska. And then they moved to Nebraska. I believe it was the same year. This is just funny. Two police officers were in their car
Starting point is 00:34:26 sitting by the Hockamock Swamp, one part of it. I think they were just like filling out reports or like just like a traffic thing or whatever. Just not doing anything. And they said both of them felt the entire back of their car lift up off the ground. And when they looked behind it, there was a giant hairy man
Starting point is 00:34:47 holding the back of their car up, they flipped out, and it dropped to the car and ran off into the woods. And what did they do for the rest of their lives? And they both said that they saw it. And then they retired. And then they were like, well,
Starting point is 00:35:00 see all I could see. Sorry, Chief, we're out. Gotta go. But I, let's imagine? Yeah. I mean, no. Like, you're just sitting in your car. And also, I'm like, what was he doing?
Starting point is 00:35:12 Also, like, what, he was a big, hairy man. Okay, but, like, are we talking like, six foot two. No, like they said like seven or eight feet. Oh. Like clearly not like just some tall guy. A hairy basketball player. Like a very hairy basketball player. Shit. Lifted the back of their car. Automatically, I don't know why, but I just picture like a ginger. Right? Because I don't know. Because basketball, like. You just picture like Brian Scalabrini. Yeah, I do. Lifting the back of the cop car and being like, suckers. I don't know. I don't know. It's just what I saw. That's what happened.
Starting point is 00:35:48 I can't help what I saw. It was Brian Scalaprini. Brian, we're on to your case. Okay, buddy. We know what you're doing out there. He's been around for a while. In the Bridgewater Triangle. I can't.
Starting point is 00:36:00 Well, in the documentary, there's also a guy who is now like a paranormal investigator and is really interested in this stuff. He grew up around, you know, Massachusetts. His name is Carlston Wood. And he recounts a terrifying story. in the documentary. So in the winter of 1970, he was super young.
Starting point is 00:36:23 And he said he and a few other kids sometimes would go into the swamp to like, you know, because it was winter, so like the swamp had iced over and they'd kind of play in there and just like, you know, fuck around. And they were like, he said him and like a bunch of other kids
Starting point is 00:36:39 like girls and boys were in there and they said they were like a mile into it when one started screaming. Oh, great. So they all were. like, what the hell? And one of them yelled, there's a huge hairy man over there. Which, to me, is the scariest thing someone could yell at me.
Starting point is 00:36:58 I would, in a swamp. What if you were the huge hairy man, though? I feel like you'd just be really offended. That would be really offended. I'd be like, listen, you little bitch. You know, not all of us have razors. Not all of it. I'm a feminist, okay?
Starting point is 00:37:13 Solidarity sister, okay? Like, chill. Get out of here. You're a big hairy man. It's winter. I don't have to change. Jesus. I am hibernating, bitch.
Starting point is 00:37:31 Do not put your social bullshit on me, okay? Sand in the tail. This is really scary. Got it spook, spook. Don't put your social norms on me, you little bit. So what really happened? That's not what happened. One of the kids was like, there's a huge hairy man.
Starting point is 00:37:58 I just can't stop picturing a really offended Bigfoot. I just, like, he literally is like, he's like, like, fish what? Did your parents teach you manners? Not you not to scream? Like, excuse you. That's someone's huge and hairy. Jeez. Basic manners.
Starting point is 00:38:19 Let's all just teach, you know, like real talk. Let's all teach our kids. not to scream. There's a huge hairy person over there. Like, don't point out people's hugeness in there. Listen, everyone has flaws, okay? Sorry. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
Starting point is 00:38:36 So, yeah, there's a huge hairy man over there. And then he said, we all turned, because obviously you're like, what? And he said, we all saw it. Like, everyone saw it. He said they ran as fast as they could back to the road. Oh, way. And he was like, when we got back to the road, we were like, yep, I want to go home. Like, bye.
Starting point is 00:38:56 Yeah, let's never play in the swamp again. And he said, they all got together Monday morning at the bus stop. And they were all just like, remember that time? Hey, so what did you see? And they all just started like saying it to each other. And it all, they all saw the same thing. Oh, shit. So he was like, I don't know what it was.
Starting point is 00:39:14 I'm not saying it. And he's like, but what I saw was a huge hairy man. That was like an impossibly huge hairy apiece. like man. Oh, God. So outside of the swamp, Bigfoot has also been seen, and I say Bigfoot, like a Bigfoot type creature. Yep. In Bridgewater, around two small ponds. They're Claybanks one and two is what they're called. A resident Joseph Dandrade, or Dandrade, I think his name is, said he saw it in the forest near Claybanks two. In the winter of 1978, he and a friend, who he was like, my friend Wayne, like he kept saying,
Starting point is 00:39:51 He was saying. He was like, and then Wayne did this and Wayne did that. Like Wayne's world. So Wayne was with him. And they went looking around there in the area because they had heard of like sightings of different things. And he said at one point he was turned with his back to the lake or the pond. And he said he suddenly heard. And he even says in the documentary, like I'm not, he's like, let me be clear that I'm not in the habit of hearing voices. He's like, just to be clear. Let's just put that out there. But he said he heard like in his. head he felt someone tell him like turn around oh so he's like i felt compelled to turn around and look at
Starting point is 00:40:28 the pond when he said when he did this he saw a huge man with long dark brown hair all over and he said he saw it across the pond uh-huh and he was standing there looking right back at him oh god he said he saw him from the waist up but didn't see his face because it was like covered with some of the trees he like grabbed wayne and was like oh do you see that and he said as soon as soon as he said as soon as as Wayne turned around, it was gone. Oh, no. Come on. So he's like, I know that sounds crazy, whatever. And again, who knows? All this could be just craziness, but it's like, there's a lot of reports of these things to at least entertain some of them. He has since founded the paranormal investigation organization, and he's written extensively on various investigations he's done in the Bridgewater
Starting point is 00:41:13 triangle. So another story about Big Feet is a guy named John Baker, who has since passed away. RAP. He was fur trapping in the Hock Mwamock Swamp in the 1980s. The reason that this one is told is because it showed up in the Boston Herald. In an article that interviewed him and he said, quote, something, so he was in a canoe like going down in the Hock Mock Swamp. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:41:38 He said, quote, something was following me and I knew it was big. So he said he took his boat to a drier area of the swamp to stop and kind of like check out what the hell was going on. And he said, quote, I knew it wasn't a human because when it passed by me, I could smell it. It smelled like skunk, musty and dirty, like it lived in the dirt. And he said he had no idea what it was, but he said, I know what I saw. And he said, the exact same thing.
Starting point is 00:42:06 A huge, hairy man stalked him all the way up the swamp. But, like, here's my thing. Like, big feet, foot keeps following everyone. Yeah. But then they, like, he doesn't do anything. So like, why is he even following you? Because I think he's just like, he likes, maybe he just likes it. Yeah, he just likes the chase.
Starting point is 00:42:28 And once they see him, he's like, ooh, and he just runs away. So I feel big feet foot. Big feet foot. I think he just likes being like that guy. Like he's like. Do you think that he gets the herald and like reads all these reports about him? I think he's got like on his wall somewhere in the woods. Oh my God, stop.
Starting point is 00:42:46 A whole wall full of it. Yeah, just all his clippings. and he's like, do you think he changed when he got famous? I think he changed when he got famous. I really do. Maybe. I think he did. So that's as far as we go with big feet.
Starting point is 00:42:58 Like your next chopper headline that I just looked down at. Can I tell them what it is? So our next topic is huge cats. That's our next fucking topic is huge cats. I just look down and it's in all capital letters in Elena's notes. It is. It just says huge cats. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And that's precisely what it is. Love it. So huge cats. I'm not for that. Are seen in the Bridgewater Triangle quite a bit, actually. I'm not a cat fan. This is one of those things that you can look it up. Google any of this, like any of the towns like Easton, Rannum, Bridgewater, Taunton, all these places.
Starting point is 00:43:36 Huge cats have been written about in legitimate newspapers. We'll pop up of people being like, funny story. We've been seeing weird huge African cats all over the place. You know, it's a Friday. I mean, if you're not in Massachusetts, let me just lay it out for you. We're not Africa. So when we have African cats here, it's like, it doesn't make a lot of sense to us. How did you get here, Kat?
Starting point is 00:44:01 So there was one that was dubbed the Mansfield Mystery Cat, which just sounds fun. I like that. Mansfield Mystery Cat. Like, I feel like he's like, that's a jazz band, actually. He's just walking around, like, snapping, smoking a cigar. He's like, I'm the Mansfield Mystery Cat. This Mansfield Mystery Cat started being reported widely in 1993. They said it was a huge tan cat, like, bigger than a mountain line.
Starting point is 00:44:28 Shit. Which we shouldn't have. I don't want anything to do with that. No. It was reported in Easton as well. And there were also sightings of a Black Panther type cat in the swamp areas. Nope, nope. Like a giant black, and people kept, this is like over and over,
Starting point is 00:44:45 dozens and dozens of reports would come into police being like, I just saw a black panther in the swamp. Like, why? Like, so this wasn't just one person being like, so I was walking on the swamp and I saw a black panzer. It was crazy. Why is everybody talking like? I don't know why we're all talking like, no, blah, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:44:59 In 1993. I don't know why we're in like 1920s. I don't know, I was a little lady. Little lady, I saw a cat. No, it was more like, hey, I saw a black panther cat. Yeah. So a lot of people, like, police would get flooded with reports from this. newspaper would just go crazy about it.
Starting point is 00:45:19 It was actually a thing. And the one that I remember vividly, because I was like eight years old at this point. I wasn't alive. No, you were not. Three years until you were alive at this point. It was in May of 1993. A decapitated body of an African serval cat. What?
Starting point is 00:45:39 Was found near the eastern random line. The head had been cleanly severed and was missing. And it had the body. had no signs of injury, so the method of death may have well been decapitation. I just want to know who tamed that cat enough to cut its fucking head off. Well, and why would you cut its head off? Why do you have an African jungle cat in Easton or rain? Like, what do you, what? Well, I'm already past that. And also, you, did, so did you just cut its head off and then just dump it? Like, they just dumped it in like a big field, like an open field. So did people think that it was a
Starting point is 00:46:16 Well, people were like, what is this? Why is there an African cat in the middle of a field in Easton? Like, it was... Well, and a human must have cut its head off. It was bizarre. Well, that was the thing. When it was first reported, you were like, wait, so did something else eat its head? And like, what is bigger than an African cat around here?
Starting point is 00:46:32 What's going on? Not me. But then you come to the whole, like, so somebody cut its head off and you're like, what? How are they able to do that? And it's just, like, bizarre as fuck. And in, I believe, in next episode, we're going to get into... There were a lot of animal mutilations around this area, too. I don't like that.
Starting point is 00:46:50 Which we'll get into because it ties into the idea that there was this like traveling cults. Right. That was going on. But we'll get into that next episode. A traveling cult? Yeah. Which they still believe could be a thing. Right now.
Starting point is 00:47:02 But we'll get into that next episode. Like they're still traveling? Yeah, they're still traveling. In the triangle. Yeah. Shit keeps going down. Oh, God. So I just remember that like very vividly that that cat being found in 1993.
Starting point is 00:47:15 and it was like close to where we were at the time and I remember being like uh excuse me what's happening right now you're like not allowed to play at recess yeah it was like not a good because there was like for a while when these cats were being spotted around people they were like keeping kids into for recess and stuff yeah but they were worried they were like literally like lions walking through the woods like what's happening that's so cool that I love how like spooky that is because like that's not scary but it's like weird yeah it's just spooky i just love that yeah it's very spooky uh so the next thing we're going to talk about our giant birds okay so basically what these giant birds that are always spotted in like flying over the swamp they're thought to be
Starting point is 00:48:02 thunderbirds what's and uh basically it's an ancient bird and in algonquin mythology the thunderbird controls the upper world while the underworld is controlled by the underwater panther or great horned serpent. Thunderbird was said to throw lightning at the underworld creatures and creates thunder by flapping its wings. Love that. That's badass as fuck. Right. So people think that these are the birds that we're seeing or that there's some kind of like ancient teradactal type thing because they're supposedly like 12 foot wingspans and shit. Shot your face. These aren't like condors who are huge and we do have around, but like, no, these are like something ancient and crazy. And again, dozens and dozens of reports will come in in one time too.
Starting point is 00:48:49 Like, it's not like they get like spread over this like long period of time of like all these people just being like, I saw a big bird today. It's like, it's literally like one day they get dozens of reports like on the same day. We all saw this giant ancient thunderbird. And it's like, okay, well, maybe you did then. So in 1971, a Norton police sergeant named Thomas Downey, so a police sergeant, said he saw a huge bird six feet tall with a 12-foot wingspan while driving down Winter Street in Mansfield, which is an area known as Bird Hill. Oh, kind of funny.
Starting point is 00:49:30 He said he watched it, like just stand there, like spread its wings, and then just slowly lift itself into the air and like flap away. Can you imagine seeing something like that? I would be in straight up stunned town USA. I would want to, I'd be like, what is this a sign for? I would not, literally, I'd be like, like is that a good omen or a bad omen? Like, is this the end times?
Starting point is 00:49:53 Is this what's happening? I don't know. Apparently it wasn't. And what's funny here is it's not like he immediately ran to papers and stuff and we're like, let me tell you about this big thunderbird I saw. Right. So he said he just slowly started telling a few people here and there because he was like, I gotta get this off my chest that I saw a tire dactyl.
Starting point is 00:50:12 You know, you might want to do that. And by the way, if you guys hear any like sizzling in the background, my husband is cooking dinner. So it smells really fucking good. It does. So he wasn't like running to go tell the story to like newspaper outlets and all that. And in fact, a lot of newspapers wanted to interview him about this. And he would, so he was asked multiple times to give his account of this. and he said no, he refused.
Starting point is 00:50:37 He wouldn't talk about it. Why? Because he was freaked out by it. And he was like, I don't want people to think I'm crazy. Oh. To me, that's like more credible because he didn't want the attention from it. He was like, no, people are going to think I'm nuts. And this is what I saw.
Starting point is 00:50:50 And I just want to unsee it. I just want to unsee it. So, yeah. So those are the thunderbirds that a lot of people seem to see. And I don't think they don't like mean anything bad or anything like that. It's just kind of scared to see it. fucking 12 foot wide bird. One might say.
Starting point is 00:51:08 Yeah. Imagine if that thing took a shit on your windshield. Oh my damn. Ooh. Hoo! Let me tell you. Yeah, that'd be rough. No car wash for that, sweetie.
Starting point is 00:51:17 So there's also angry red-eyed ducks. I don't like that at all. That is like a bad omen. Yeah. And people will see these when they're walking down trails in those, like, near the swamp or around the swamp, people like randomly. Because a lot of people are like, oh, so I was walking in the swamp at like dusk. like, why are you doing that though? You're like, yeah, not
Starting point is 00:51:37 not a solid plan, sir. Yeah, don't do that. And ma'am. Do not do that. I only have one quick little tale about a red-eyed dog that was seen, but this is a pretty rough one. Oh, good. In 1976, an Abington fellow watched a huge black dog.
Starting point is 00:51:53 He said huge. Like, bigger than a great dame. Like the size of the... Size of a pony, basically. Oh, shit. Rip open the throats of his two ponies killing them. And he said, it was as large as a pony and was standing over them, killing them. What?
Starting point is 00:52:10 And he shot at it, but it got away. And he said for three days, he and, like, local law enforcement and some neighbors hunted this thing because they were like, is this a fucking dire wolf? Like, what the hell is this? Yeah, like, excuse me. And they couldn't find it again. But he said it was a huge black dog with like red fiery eyes. That's the most terrifying thing.
Starting point is 00:52:30 And he was ripping out. Ever heard. Horse throats. Nope. Like, that's no joke. That's not okay. That's not okay. Like, don't fuck with Little Sebastian like that.
Starting point is 00:52:38 So another one, this one's like, this one to me is one of the spookiest tales. Oh, I hate this tale. And the guy who tells it tells it so well. I remember watching this documentary when he tells the tale. It's a, it's a tale, man. But I hate this one. Now, it freaks me out. This involves, this isn't, so this guy does not claim that what he saw was a puck waji.
Starting point is 00:53:02 but Pukwajis are something that are often spotted in the swamp. We might cover, maybe we'll go into them a little more in the next episode because this is not like confirmed obviously to be a Pukwaji. Right. But it's similar. It seems similar to what they are. So Pukwajis are small troll-like creatures associated with the Wampanoag in Native American folklore. They're said to be two to three feet tall, have big noses, big fingers, big ears.
Starting point is 00:53:32 like covered in smooth gray skin a lot. Oh, I don't like that. And they're just like weird and mischievous and try to like lure you places and shit. Picture like Dobby the Hell House. Goodbye. Picture. Dobby the Hell elf. That's what I was about to say.
Starting point is 00:53:47 That's literally what it is. Debbie the House elf, but picture a hell elf. A hell elf. So this story that we're going to tell you is from 1990. It's a guy named William Rousseau. And he never, for decades, he didn't tell anyone this. Oh. And then he just said that he figured he was getting up there in age,
Starting point is 00:54:06 and he said, I feel like people should know about this. Time to tell the tale. Tell this tale. I want it to be out there so people know. So at the time in 1990, he was working a three-to-midnight shift at work. And he worked and lived in Rain, a Massachusetts. He would walk his big dog, who was a Rottweiler slash German Shepherd mix named Samantha. Oh, my God, I love that.
Starting point is 00:54:29 When he got home at midnight every night. Mm-hmm. Because, you know, he's a good dog owner, and he knows she has to go. So he said she was like 90 pounds and huge. Like, she was a big dog. One night, when he was walking her in his neighborhood, he took like a slightly different route than he normally did. And he said he didn't know why. There was no, like, he didn't feel compelled to do this.
Starting point is 00:54:49 He said he just took a different route. He said he went behind his home and there were a bunch of huge pine trees and power lines lining this. And it's, you know, the swamp runs through here. He went about a half a mile. when he came upon a big old water wheel from an old ironworks building in the area, like from hundreds of years ago. And at that point, there was a street light at the road that was there that cast a big huge circle of light on the road below. He said it was like a 10 feet in diameter light. As he got to the road, he said Samantha was pulling and started quivering.
Starting point is 00:55:23 Like a 90-pound Routweiler was quivering. So you know some shit's about to go down. Yeah, and he was like, I've never seen her do that in my life. He said she was, quote, rattling like an old Chevy. Oh my God, I love that. And then he said, at that moment when he looked down to see her shivering, he heard something. And he said he heard a high-pitched whale, but they literally said, I want you.
Starting point is 00:55:50 I want you. Kier, Kier. And that's what he said it kept saying. Excuse me? And he said, that's what it's saying. E want you. E want you. Kier.
Starting point is 00:55:59 Here. Here. Which sounds to me like, he wants you come here. Yeah, like we want you. We want you. Here. Here. No, thank you.
Starting point is 00:56:07 And he said when he looked up to see what the fuck was saying these weird things, he said he saw something about three or four feet tall standing in the middle of that light, that street light. And he said, he was standing on two legs and he covered in hair. Ew. And it also had a pot belly, he said. That's adorable. And a face that had slown. slightly bigger eyes for its head, but he said not like overwhelmingly huge, but like slightly
Starting point is 00:56:34 bigger than what a human's eyes would be. And he said it kind of looked like he had the face of like a chipmunk almost. Oh, that's cute. And he said he thought he looked like at first glance, he said it looked like a child because it was so small. Right. But he said when I looked at it more, it looked like it was in the early stages of old age. Okay. Like it was like an elder. And he said and it was obviously speaking to me. Right. And he said and it was holding its. arm out to me. So, and he said, he literally said it kept saying the same thing over
Starting point is 00:57:05 and over again and, like, beckoning him. And he was saying, he want you, you want you. Here, here. So he said he didn't feel threatened like it was going to run at him or attack him or anything, but he said it definitely felt like he was trying to get him into his space.
Starting point is 00:57:22 Right. He was trying to get him over to him. Right. So he was fucking terrified. And he says he goes, I wish, I could tell you that I was like this big tough guy and I walked over to it to see more about it. Nope. But he was like, nope. I don't blame you, sir.
Starting point is 00:57:37 He said, I was terrified. My huge dog was terrified. So they ran home. And he said he stayed up the whole night thinking over and over about what just happened. Because he was like, am I nuts? Like, did I just lose my fucking mind? And he said, what I think he was saying was, we want you. We want you.
Starting point is 00:57:55 Here. Here. Nope. And he said that's, he goes, I think he was trying to speak. speak English to me. And he said he really didn't tell anyone about it, like I said. Because he said he had never seen anything paranormal in his whole life. Well, he probably didn't want people to think he was crazy.
Starting point is 00:58:11 Well, that's the guy. And he was like, I was never, I'm not this person who sees ghosts or anything. I've never seen anything weird or paranormal in my whole life. And then I fucking one night see this shit. Then I see like the golden ticket of all creepy-ass things. Like congratulations. You've made it to the chocolate factory. Jackpot.
Starting point is 00:58:30 Whoa. He said 20 years later, like I said, he was getting older, and he wanted to tell this story because he was like, it has to be out there. People need to know that I saw this. The fuck out. And he never saw it again. So that story to me is just like when he says, like, when he says the words, like, he wants you, he wants you. And he's like, care, care.
Starting point is 00:58:51 Like he says it like, come on, come on. Let's go. And it's like, fuck, too. I'd be like, I'm so busy that day. And they have this crazy as restaurant. The drawing is a bananas. And maybe I'll post it because it's just the, it's like both scary and adorable all at the same time. That's the thing.
Starting point is 00:59:08 But if I just saw this little hairy thing being like, you want chew. I'd be like, I know chew, I know chew. No, sir. No. I need to go. So another place that has a lot of happenings is a place called Lake Nippinipip. Excuse me. Nippiniket.
Starting point is 00:59:28 Nipa, nippiniket. Nip and Nicket. That's fun. That's what it is. Nipin'nicket. Nip and Nicket. It's also referred to as the Lake of Doom. That's not so fun, is what I'd like to say. And locals call it the nip.
Starting point is 00:59:40 The nip? That's great. That is gold. You know, we're going to the nip. Just go to the nip. Let's take a dip in the nip. That's great. Thank you.
Starting point is 00:59:51 Dip in the nip. So it's right in the middle of the swamp, you know, right, of course, the swamp is running all through here. This place has a lot of weird, weird reports. There's big foot creatures, big feet. And people say when they're on the lake, that they can hear sounds like monkeys. What? And people will be like, yeah, hey, are those monkeys in Massachusetts? It's like, what is going on?
Starting point is 01:00:18 Are we in Africa again? Literally. Like, what's happening? In Lauren Coleman, that famous cryptozoologist, he said people told him many times. He said many reports of seeing a. red-haired orang-a-tang-type creature there. You know, typical for this part of the country, the world. Super typical Massachusetts creature.
Starting point is 01:00:38 There's always orangutans running around here. If you're not from Massachusetts, just know. When you walk down the street. Rangetangs. Arangetans on everywhere. Every tree. Why do you think we say it's bananas? It's exactly because we grew up with bananas.
Starting point is 01:00:51 With orangutans. And bananas. No. No, orangutans are not native to Massachusetts. No, sir. So that's weird if you're hearing and seeing orangutanics. If you see it a rangatangetang in Massachusetts, call someone. Call someone.
Starting point is 01:01:06 Call Lauren Coleman. Yeah. Because he needs to know. So there's also people, and this happens a lot in this area and then in another area that I'll talk about in a minute. People see phantom fires on the shore where they'll see this big fire. And sometimes they'll also see like tribal dancers around this fire. or they'll hear like chanting or they'll hear things on the shore and when they get closer to it it's not there it just goes away and it's not like it like it dies out it's not like it's a big bonfire and it's just all of a sudden it's gone it's just gone i don't know how i would feel if that happened to me and phantom fires seem to be like a theme throughout the swamp like people will see fire through the trees when they're in there and they'll be like and they're like and i can't you can't really like hear it or like feel the heat from it or smell it or smell it or smell it, you just follow it and it's just gone. Okay. Note to self, don't go in the woods. Don't follow the fire.
Starting point is 01:02:06 Don't go and go and go to the swamp. Yeah, it's not cool. It's also been the site of a lot of drownings and a lot of accidents. Oh, I don't like that. But it's only six to eight feet deep at its deepest part. Oh, that's what's really weird. That is super weird. Yeah. Like, I mean, unless you, unless you can't swim. Obviously, people drown in any amount of water, but for the amount of drownings and accidents that have happened which there are quite a few. For decades, it's very, it's odd. Yeah. It's a very odd phenomenon.
Starting point is 01:02:36 And this is a weird one. The skies over the nip have rained frogs. Shut what? Like, frogs. I just went, no shut what? They've literally like, frogs have fallen from the sky. No. It's like a published report.
Starting point is 01:02:53 No. Legit. What? Yeah. Explain. Frogs falling from the sky. What? Like, when?
Starting point is 01:03:00 What day? I cannot explain. Thursday? Like, when? I think it was a Thursday. I'm not really sure. Frogs were falling from the sky. And in 2012...
Starting point is 01:03:10 People are going to turn this podcast off and be like, yeah, those girls went fucking crazy. It's published a report. I'm not making this up. What the fuck? And in 2012, something called a Briazoin, which is a rare jellyfish-like creature that survived the Ice Age.
Starting point is 01:03:28 What? was found in the nip. What? Yeah. Is there like electromagnetic energy that is just like pulling the weirdest shit from around the world? There's something. I'll tell you that much. Now, we're going to go over to weird rocks.
Starting point is 01:03:46 Weird rocks. Of which we have a few. So there's something called Dighton Rock, which is a 40-ton boulder that was pulled from the water of the Taunton Riverbed and is covered in etchings. Etching? Like drawings? Like etching's like, no, the other kind of etching. I don't know. Shut up.
Starting point is 01:04:05 There's a museum that houses this rock across from the Taunton Riverbed and it's a place called Grassy Island where in 1928 a Native American burial ground was discovered. Oh shit. And that was discovered by this
Starting point is 01:04:19 like, I think it was a Brown University professor, psychology professor. He led like an expedition and they ended up finding a Native American burial ground. I wouldn't want to find it. one. I wouldn't lead an expedition to one. I wouldn't want to do that. I wouldn't join an expedition
Starting point is 01:04:33 to one. Well, and so across from where this happened, there's this tiny little museum that houses this Dayton Rock. And the crazy thing about this rock is nobody knows where these etchings came from. But they look ancient. They appear very ancient.
Starting point is 01:04:49 And there's in the museum, you can see all the speculation about where they could have come from. They have like the Phoenicians, the Norse, the Portuguese, like all different ideas of came from, but no one has been able to definitively say. It's really, it's like, it's spooky. It's like a spooky mystery. There's also a rock called Profile Rock that we mentioned earlier.
Starting point is 01:05:11 We did. In Freetown Fall River State Forest. And that's the one that they think is possibly the face of Massasoit, Chief Massassoit. It's a very sacred space, even though it's covered in graffiti now. Oh, fuck that. I know. Isn't that shitty? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:27 There's also in Abington. there was a profile rock called Lady Abington. It was like a woman's face. But it's gone now because of road building. Oh. So that's a one of my... Humans ruin everything, well. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:05:40 In Middleborough, Massachusetts, there's a rock with a literal handprint embedded in it. No. Yeah. And there's also a boulder with a face carved into it. Cool. Yeah. Like a smiley face almost like it's a very...
Starting point is 01:05:53 But it's like an ancient-y kind of look to it. Again, like total mysteries. Right. came from. And then there's one specific rock called Anawan Rock, and it's along Route 44 and Rehobis. Now, the reason that this one is so, that has like a very spooky history and there's a lot, a lot of activity around this one, is two weeks after chief metacomac King Philip was killed. Benjamin Church led a team into Plymouth Colony into the forest to get the rest of the Native Americans, how they were going to run. round up and sell them into slavery like they did. You know. The rest of Metacomet's tribe of warriors
Starting point is 01:06:35 that were surviving surrendered peacefully to church. They did this August 28, 1676. Chief Anawan was captured during this and it became the official end to King Phillips' war. That sounds fine and peaceful. It does. Except once they were taken out of there and shipped to Plymouth, Church's orders that they were peaceful and they should be.
Starting point is 01:07:01 Right. They were, that was ignored. Right. And the whole group of wampanoags that they captured were beheaded. Oh. So taken at the same time as this whole thing was a belt of Metacomets, King Phillips, his wampum belt. Mm-hmm. Now, the wampum belt basically tells the history of the tribe.
Starting point is 01:07:25 Oh, that's cool. So it's a very special belt. And they took it? They took it. And what happened was, it was said that Philip gave the belt to Anawan at Profile Rock before he was killed. Okay. There are records that church received this, like took this belt, and then he lost it. What a deuce.
Starting point is 01:07:44 Somehow it was going to be shipped somewhere and it ended up in transit. Nobody knows where it went. Well, I hope that they got it back. Well, now they didn't. Because now Native American spirits are said to haunt Aneron Rock. And people will hear the Algonquin language. They'll hear chanting and drums beating. Oh, wow.
Starting point is 01:08:03 Like, imagine going in there in the middle of the night and hear drums beating? Nope, because I don't go to places at the middle of the night. People also report phantom fires there, like I said, in full spectral ghost sightings. Like, they'll see a full Native American chief standing in front of them. And then you run out of the forest so fast that you die. Exactly. And many people believe that whenever they see like this elder Native American, standing in front of them that it's Anawan.
Starting point is 01:08:28 And it's called Anawan's Rock. There was a report of someone going in there and hearing yelling, and they were yelling Lutosh, Lutosh, which is Algonquin for stand and fight. Oh, wow. Yeah. And a woman who runs a paranormal investigation company decided she wanted to learn some key words in the Wampanoag language to deal with possible Native American spirits that are not super psyched to see anybody in there. And so she really wanted to run.
Starting point is 01:08:56 remember the word knee-tomp because it means friend okay so she wanted to go in there be like knee-tomp knee-tomp and so she said as she went in there she kept repeating the word over and over she was like i just wanted them to know we were friends i'm not trying to hurt them and she said as they left the woods they recorded on recording oh my god i'm gonna get the chills i can feel a voice repeating knee-tomp and they also heard somebody and it was on the recording someone saying kinsman in Algonquin. Kingsmen, so like we're bros? Yeah, like so we're bros.
Starting point is 01:09:30 Oh my God. And they haven't like recorded. That's awesome. Now, during an interview on that Bridgewater Triangle documentary about this specific place in the Bridgewater Triangle, this guy was talking about the belt, the Wampum Belt. And he cited it and he said, quote, the weirdness and hauntings at Anawan Rock will probably happen until the Wampum Belt is returned. Oh.
Starting point is 01:09:54 as soon as he finishes this all the power went out what and in the documentary they like put everything back on and they're like holy shit dude like that everything just went out so they're like yes it will so they're like whoa so they like laugh about it because they're like
Starting point is 01:10:10 oh my god that was creepy like what the hell and they get the power back up they're laughing and this guy says like into the like ether like he looks up and it's like we hear your message if I could I would return it boom lights go out again. Holy shit.
Starting point is 01:10:25 And it's like on the documentary. It's so creepy. It's crazy. That's wild. So the last thing we're going to talk about tonight. And trust me, there's lots more in the next episode. Hang tight. Is the Phantom Hitchhiker.
Starting point is 01:10:41 This one's bananas and also my worst fear. Exactly. Because I've driven down this road multiple times at night and I'm so afraid to see this. Oh yeah. He's also known as the red-headed hitchhiker. It's you? It's me. He's seen on Route 44 at night, usually near the Seacongrohrahovath line. That's where most of the reports come. Again, this is one of those things that gets reported over and over and over, and it's also drilled into every kid's head in Massachusetts. It's like you hear this story.
Starting point is 01:11:11 So he's usually said to be a well-built man between the ages of 45 and 55. He has red hair. Crazy, I know. He usually has a beard as well. Yep. Also red. They say he's usually dressed in a red flannel shirt with jeans or brown work pants and work boots. Got it. And it doesn't really stray from that description ever. Sometimes he's super well put together, like clean and together.
Starting point is 01:11:39 And other times he looks super disheveled with like overgrown facial hair like dirty and untucked. Just depends how we're feeling that day. Aren't we all just sometimes we're super put together? Sometimes we're disheveled as fuck. There's no in between for me to be honest with you. You don't get away from that in the afterlife. Sometimes you just got to do it. Everybody has a bad hair day.
Starting point is 01:11:59 Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to judge him. Nope. So most times he appears totally solid to drivers, like an actual person. But then some people will say like, and then when I looked at him more, he was like slightly transparent. And I didn't notice it at first. And I was like, what are you, sir? Which like, who among us has not seen someone and been like, they look slightly transparent? And I didn't realize it at first.
Starting point is 01:12:21 We get that a lot. I am 100% transparent. Literally same. Like you can look at my circulatory system in my arms. 110%. The sun sucks. So I stand by that statement. The biggest thing that kind of like varies is his eyes, the description of his eyes.
Starting point is 01:12:41 Some people say they look totally normal, but they say they'd get this feeling that they just don't feel, right? Hate that. But some say they're black and totally empty. Awesome. Well, other people say they're glowing, but lightless. Okay. So there's just a lot of variations in the eyes. This one really spooks me.
Starting point is 01:12:59 I know. I'm like getting chills. So the earliest written record of this guy being seen was by Charles Turek Robinson in his 1994 book New England Ghost Files, which is like every Massachusetts kid has read that. Yep. So one story is absolutely terrifying of this. So a couple broke down on Route 44 at about 10 p.m. Oh, fuck that.
Starting point is 01:13:26 The woman stayed in the car and the guy went to go like, you know, call for a tow. They both had different experiences with the hitchhiker at the same time. The man saw him on the side of the road and tried to talk to him and be like, hey, like, we need a little help. Can you help us? And he said the red-headed man began yelling at him. Oh, God. which it's like, what the fuck? And then disappeared.
Starting point is 01:13:54 But he said when he was disappearing, he heard laughing from all directions. No, thank you. And as he made his way back to his car, he could hear the laughing, like, all around him. Hate that, hate that, hate that. The woman who was sitting in the car waiting for her dude heard the voice come over the radio, laughing and taunting at her through the radio. Until she ran from the car. I'm all set.
Starting point is 01:14:19 Yeah. So that was not cool. Fuck. And it's usually, this kind of thing is like kind of typical. Like someone is driving along, usually alone, but as long as this is like an open place in the car, he can kind of appear. No. And they see a man on the side of the road and they stop to pick him up. He'll get into the passenger seat or the backseat. All the time, every single time they say he stays silent. He ignores any questions you ask him. Which automatically is terrifying. Exactly. And a lot of the times they'll say he's just staring at them the whole time. Oh my God. No. No. No. No. No. No. I'm not into it. No.
Starting point is 01:15:01 Eventually he'll just disappear. He either does it right in front of their eyes or they'll look back to say something to him and he's gone. Oh my God. I hate this one. Yeah. And this is usually, no, this is like my favorite. I'm sorry. This is just funny to me. It wouldn't be funny if it happened. to me, but it's funny from afar.
Starting point is 01:15:21 When he banishes, it's not like he just vanishes and that's it and you're like, well, that was weird. Like, why is this funny? Did he like fart and go or something? Kind of. No. He usually will disappear and then you'll either hear him laughing or yelling
Starting point is 01:15:37 or taunting you. Which to me... That's not funny. I just wonder if he's like, he just vanishes slowly, then he's like, ah! What does he say to taunt you though? I don't like that. I don't like that. If he's just like, you're never getting a promotion at work, bye.
Starting point is 01:15:53 And you're just like, God damn it, that was taunting and mean. He probably has a lot of fun in the afterlife. He does. You know he's just having fun. He does. I just can't imagine something disappearing and then just yelling. No. He's just being like, yeah.
Starting point is 01:16:07 Well, I feel like it's not that. I feel like it's probably a lot scary. Yeah, I bet it's all. Like I'm, you should make fun of it because. Like, I hate it. Don't even because I'm like, I'm stressing. No, it's not funny. It's not funny.
Starting point is 01:16:18 It's not funny at all at a lot. I don't think it's funny in the slightest. Well, some people, if he's not just, if he didn't pick him up, some people will see him on the side of the road and he's usually like vanishing into the woods or he's just waving and then disappearing. If you fucking wave at me and then disappear, no, don't. We have a problem. I have an issue with that.
Starting point is 01:16:39 Sir. Sir. Some, this is awful. Some have seen him just suddenly be in their backseat. Yeah, that I've heard and that I'm just like, no. If I don't invite you, it shouldn't be allowed. Yeah, like some people will literally look in their rear mirror and boom, he's just there. And that's when you get into a car accident because I would literally roll my car over five times.
Starting point is 01:16:59 100%. That would be it. Oh, that's my biggest fear. Well, and then some people, a lot of people, will drive through him. Like, he'll suddenly appear in front of their car and they think they hit somebody. Oh, my God. And then they find obviously that they didn't hit anybody and nobody's there. No.
Starting point is 01:17:15 But they think they did. which brings me to Lil's story. Oh, God. So this is my friend of like a billion years, Lil, telling her story, her first-hand account of seeing the red-headed hitchhiker. So let me preface the story by saying, I practically grew up with a copy of the New England Ghost Files pretty much on my nightstand for most of my childhood. My sister and I would read from it a lot, probably after listening to Robert's Decker. voice for hours. Unsolved Mysteries, my OG Bin Show. Now, in this book, since I grew up in Dight in Massachusetts, there's a particularly popular story which was featured. You might have heard of it.
Starting point is 01:18:00 Fast forward now quite a bit. Picture it, Rojobith 2004. I are now 16-year-old new driver, transporting my best friend to Starbucks because who doesn't need a Frappuccino at 9 p.m. Oddly enough, and I say oddly because Elena will find this part particularly rad, I vividly remember listening to the piano bridge of Hurricane by something corporate. Naturally, I was playing the piano while driving the car, completely safe, but I was amazing until I always switched to the drum solo. I digress. So it's dark. We're on 44, driving my 1995 Toyota Tersell, who I aptly named Terry. I'm mid-drum solo when I full-blown panicked, just panicked, started screaming and pointing, merely hitting, hitting the man standing on the side of the road. I guess if I hadn't known the legend before, if I hadn't been exposed to it, growing up,
Starting point is 01:19:00 I probably would have just been a 16-year-old who was giggling at the disappearing hitchhiker or what I thought I saw, but instead I lost my shit. My friend had no idea what I was freaking out about because she didn't actually see him. I know, I know, whatever. I probably didn't really see him. That's what everybody says. But I did.
Starting point is 01:19:18 I know what I saw. My friend still thinks I'm crazy to this day, so it's okay if you do too. Initially, I did pull over and confirm that there was no sign of human life anywhere. We drove up and down that road no less than 10 times that night to make sure or kind of wanting to see him again.
Starting point is 01:19:37 But we didn't. ever saw him again. Just as the legend said, he was wearing red flannel. And to be fair, that is about all that I noticed before I started to scream. I guess the fact that he then disappeared tipped me off to the level of creep that existed that night as well. We did try many times after that to see him again. 90% of the places we went to in high school were on Route 44. So we would always look, especially at night. And we never ended up seeing him. again except for that one faithful night. So, yeah, he's legit.
Starting point is 01:20:13 It was real. I saw it with my own two eyes. Lil's funny. She is funny. I love that she was listening to something corporate and having like a drum. She's like, first I was doing the piano, which I was really good at, and then I transitioned to the drums, and then he fucked up my world. I wonder if she can listen to that song anymore. I know.
Starting point is 01:20:33 I bet she can't. I can't. Yeah, you can't stop. So this is just like really quick, but I swear to you guys, one day I was taking out the trash. I was in my driveway and there's like a little section of woods like right across the street from my house. Like there's a house like adjacent to my house and then there's just woods. Still to this day I hate going home at night because I always feel like someone is watching me from those woods. Always, always, always, always.
Starting point is 01:20:59 That always spooks me. I'm not kidding you. I get out of the car and I book it. I used to be the same way. And nine out of ten times when I, when we're like finishing up recording, I'm like, shit, I have to go home and I have to run and I have to get inside the house and lock the door. Now that I've been spooked sufficiently. But one time it was still light outside and I was bringing out the trash and I just felt weird. I felt like someone was watching me and I swear to you, I heard someone go, Ash.
Starting point is 01:21:27 And I ran the fucking side and that's the day that I started running inside. I'm not into it. Yeah. I am not into it. me either. And then if you haven't heard this episode where I talked about, I had to drive to Fall River for something. Oh yeah. And I think I might have been in free, like I think I had just seen a sign for like the Freetown State Forest or something like that. And I am driving behind this car and then this, the car in front of me suddenly changes lanes and like really abruptly and I'm like,
Starting point is 01:21:58 whoa shit. And then the car in front of me, there's like stuff like flying at my car from their car. like they had just gotten an accident or something. So I switched lanes and I kind of just like looked at the car and I saw this woman with blood literally dripping down her face. I can never unsee it. I was so freaked out. I can't even express to you how freaked out I was. I literally called the police and I was like, yo, just so you know.
Starting point is 01:22:24 That's good. And I still don't know what happened. That's exactly what you do. I still don't know if it was real. I mean, I think it was because the car in front of me was like, bye girl. You're like I'm fairly certain. And I drove, I think I remember, like, driving past the next person and, like, us looking at each other, like, we're in this and we're horrified together. Did you see that bloody-faced lady?
Starting point is 01:22:40 Oh, and then I had, I was just so, it gave me the most fucked up feeling. I wonder what happened to the bloody face lady? Why was she bleeding? I just didn't know. Well, I think she had just been in an accident. And it's like still. Oh, I don't like to talk about it too much because then I see it for a long time. Yeah, that's sketchy as hell.
Starting point is 01:22:53 But it was near Freetown and I live in the middle of the, well, I don't know where exactly in the triangle I live. Yeah, somewhere in there. I'm in it. I'm in it. I've heard things and I feel people watching me from the woods. Yeah. So I said it out loud, so it's real. So that is at the beginning of our series on the Bridgewater Triangle.
Starting point is 01:23:14 We hope that you enjoyed it. Yeah. That was a lot of fun. Lots of cryptids, lots of ghosties. Lots of puck wajis. Lots of spook. We'll talk a little bit more about next week. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:25 But we hope you dug it and let us know if you did. Mm-hmm. And if you're around here, stay out of the swamp Yep, don't do swamp things Because that's another thing that we're going to be getting into In the next couple of installments of this Is a lot of bad things have happened in there
Starting point is 01:23:44 So stay the fuck out of there There's a lot of bad stuff coming So but yeah So in the meantime if you want to keep listening to us You should do that And you should follow us on Instagram at Morbid Podcasts Follow us on Twitter
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Starting point is 01:24:31 And then it causes all this disruptiveness. And then you go into the forest and you see a big hairy guy and your mom never taught you not to yell up the big hairy guy. And then you run out of the forest and you go to the bus stop and you're like, oh my God, what do we see? And then Pakawoji's and then Yuchi come here. And then it's just a lot of shit that happens. Also, if you see a big bird, just don't keep it that weird.
Starting point is 01:24:50 Don't do it. I tried on that one. Bye. Hi.

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