Morbid - The Chicago Ripper Crew

Episode Date: October 11, 2020

Alaina takes us to a real dark place this morning, telling the horrific case of The Chicago Ripper Crew. From 1981 to 1982 four men drove a red van through the streets of Chicago picking up women of all races and ages and committing the most heinous acts. You’re going to want to scream at the end of this one once you’ve heard all the brutal details from said acts to the ridiculous sentencing involved in this case. Hold onto your butts, weirdos. Books read for this case Deadly Thrills: The True Story of Chicago's Most Shocking Killers Documentary: The Ripper Crew: American Occult on ID  As always thank you to our sponsors Embr Wave: Right now Embr wave is offering our listeners $50 off when you go to www.embrwave.com/morbid Upstart: Hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate is! Simplisafe: Head to SimpliSafe.com/morbid and get a FREE HD CAMERA for our listeners!! Philo: Sign up today at philo.tv/morbid and you’ll get 25% off your first two months!!! Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is an early morning morbid. Little lower. Mine might sound a little extra Kardashian for you today. Those of you that like to call me a Kardashian. Ash, that's me. That's you. You're the trash Kardashian. Who would I be in this podcast? I think I'm probably the Chloe of the podcast. I'm the Chloe of the family because all of you are tiny little bitches and I'm just towering over with my thickness. But you. you're beautiful. They're beautiful. You're beautiful. Yes, I'm ready. And all of you are beautiful. You're gorgeous little weirdos. You really are. So I think that this is, so we just, we had told you last week that we're going to do one of our episodes each week for the month of October for spooky season.

It's going to be haunted. It's going to be haunted and spooky. This episode is not haunted, but it sure is spooky. Most of our episodes are pretty spooky. And this one isn't haunted, but it's definitely going to haunt you afterwards. You're welcome. But speaking of haunted and spooky in October and wonderful things, I just wanted to quickly shout out a really good episode of a really good podcast that you should all listen to that's going to get you in the mood because I know a lot of people like to get in the mood for October. You got it.

Alison from the strange and unusual podcast, which is a great podcast if no one's listened to it, she just started doing, she does these like series of really cool like history, deep dives into like, you know, like witch trials and like just like really spooky things. She just did an episode where she did a retelling of Sleepy Hollow. Oh shit. I haven't listened to that yet. I'm so excited. It's so good. And it's called Sleepy Hollow, a region of shadows. It's episode 24. I think it's her newest one. And she goes into like tons of stuff about fear and how it, you know, Sleepy Hollow clearly is all about fear and like hysteria and legend. And she goes into all of that. She talks about. She talks about.

about history and ghosts and spooky season. It's going to get you, like, so in the mood. She also just has one of those voices where you're like, like, you can kind of like zone out while you're still listening, if that makes sense. Her voice is very soothing. It is. It takes you where you want to go. I always listen to her when I'm cooking dinner. And it just like puts me in a very zen state. It really does. And then Annie gets home and is like, what is this? What is so scary? And I'm like, I know I love it. And it's a really, it's like, it's a really well-produced. show too. I like it. She has like spooky music in the background and she does a little sound effects

that's a little spooky out. And she's part of our family. She is and she's part of the morbid family. So we just wanted to shout her out because we love to tell you guys about awesome other creators. So go listen to it. Hell yeah. I think besides that, what do we have to? We don't have anything to announce today. If you wait for next week's episode, I think it will be Wednesday's episode. We have some goodness. We were going to have some really good news. So hang tight for that. And I think that's going to be a haunted episode. I'm pretty sure. So I'm getting excited for that. Oh, I'm getting excited for that. One thing I just wanted to mention from a couple of episodes ago, I think we made a joke because in the case, we were talking about like these kids, like pretty young teenage kids that

were like sniffing glue. And we got in a discussion about how you would go about sniffing glue. and we made a joke about a J-O-K-E about Elmer's glue like, whoa, are all these kindergartners just getting high? If you really think that I think kindergartners are getting fucked up in craft class, girl. I just wanted to say, like, we would, we normally wouldn't comments on this because we've, we've honestly taken on a, like, no, no reaction to all to bullshit policy. But this one, I was like, really. Well, and this one has honestly invaded our reviews now.

So I feel like it's like people are reviewing on iTunes and literally giving us one stars and being like, how dare you not know what sniffing glue is? Which I was like, what? Sorry that I don't know that. But what we just wanted to clear up was that was a joke. Right. Like we were doing a bit. A little bit between us. We were doing a bit. We know that sniffing glue is.

We understand it gets you high. I think we were like pondering exactly how that works. Yeah, we were pondering the mechanism by which you get high. the glue but I definitely use Elmer's glue I know that you don't get high from it like it's we know that so I just wanted to put that out there for all the people that were really nice about it we're like let me explain it to you we appreciate that because we asked for that but what we did not ask for is like the nastiness that case I was like Jesus I had no idea a whole community of people that sniff glue or have sniffed glue we're going to get so offended by

us like pondering it just really shocked me the glue community, fucking the glit. Morbid, the glue community strikes back. Right? So I just wanted to say, it was a joke, I promise. Don't worry. We understand. We're not completely ignorant to everything around us.

I really promise you that. Yeah, definitely not. But I just thought that was really funny. And as soon as I saw it in the reviews, I was like, I gotta say something. I just want people to know, like, we're not that dumb. No. So I think we should, I think that's really all we had to touch about before. Yeah, I think we should get into it.

We're going to get right into it. Initially, I was doing another case, like, all the way up until the last minute for this one. Yeah, up until, like, last night. Literally. And I'm still going to do that case. I might do it next week. But like we've said before, you have to be like, you have to be in the mood to tell a certain case and to research a certain case. And then all of a sudden, this other case just floated around my little sphere of knowledge.

And outside your door. I was like, ooh. And I just plucked it out of the universe. And I was like, that's scary as fuck. And then when I started researching it, I was like, whoa. So what we're going to talk about today is the Chicago Ripper crew. A crew of Rippers. This is a crew.

And this is what astounded me the most because there's four men involved in this. Holy shit. And they all work together. Yeah. Wow. So this was kind of like a cult situation, like a satanic cult is what they were calling it. But they kind of just made up their own shit. Like they called it a satanic cult.

but it was just a cult of fucked up serial killers, really, is what it was. That's so weird that they all found each other. That's what's astounding to me. Like you'll see two, it's even weird when two people will team up. Yeah, like I think of like Henry Lee Lucas and Audit's Tool and like, you know, the toolbox murders, which we'll cover soon eventually. But you're always like, how did two people and like the Hillside Stranglers, how do you find two people that have that depraved of a sensibility that they're going to.

Right. And how do you even like bring that up with another person? That's what's crazy to me. I think that's my main thing is I'm like, how did you all find this out that you're both equally fucked up and four people to be that fucked up? Yeah. And when you look into it, it seems like the way it is brought into, you know, each other's attention is like one of them just like goes out on a limb.

And it's like, hey, you want to go kill this girl with me? And the other one's like, holy. That's so great that you said that because I've been thinking that the whole time. Well, it's like the Ian Brady thing, how he went to like. Like just the pub and was like telling this guy like, oh, I want to kill someone. You want to see this shit? And they were like, no. Yeah.

Like I guess you just got to go out on a limb and see. Be bold. Be bold, I suppose. But yeah, so this is one of the situations. It really astounded me. And not only that it's four people that kill women, which is what we'll see. They kill a lot of women. But it's four people, men who kill women in a really brutal way.

Great. It's really weird that four of them came together. It's like eight o'clock in the morning right now. Let's get it. Let's do this. So before I begin, I just want to give a real big warning. This is a very brutal one. There is sexual assault.

There is rape. There is mutilation. This is a very big, lech. Just so you know. So if you're not thinking that you feel like you want to deal with it right now, you know, you can go away and come back and like... Come again, please. Come again when you feel like you can deal with it. Because we know, the world sucks right now.

Sometimes you don't want to listen to that. But like, we hope you do. Because it feels, it's cathartic. So this takes place in 1981 until roughly 1982. Okay. So quick. Yeah. Quick run.

Boom. But they really did it. So we'll begin on May 23rd, 1981. This is when 26-year-old Linda Sutton, who was a mother of two and worked as a sex worker, she had been living with her mother at the time that she went missing. She had gone missing 10 days before her body was found. Oh, wow. And it was found on May 23rd.

The way that it was found was people at this motel called the Rip Van Winkle Motel. Oh, it's weird that it's the Rip. Yeah, the Rip Van Winkle Motel in Villa Park, Illinois. They started, and it's a really creepy-looking hotel. I think it's renamed the Breyer Rabbit Hotel. Because they didn't want to be associated with Rippers. Probably not. But it's Rip Van Winkle is like an old tail of like sleepy.

It's like a tale about sleep. Oh, so. It technically doesn't have anything to do with, like, ripping. Yeah. It's just the name of the person. But, yeah, you can put it together for sure. Right. But people at the motel were smelling a foul odor.

Oh, no. And they weren't able to find anything in the motel. So they were like, what is going on here? And people were thinking, you know, it's in kind of a rural area. There's, like, big fields around it. So they were like, maybe it's a dead deer. Yeah. That's just, like, behind the place.

So they ended up checking it out, and they found a woman's body behind the motel face down in a field. Her hands were handcuffed behind her back. She was mutilated, like very mutilated. There were cuts all over her left and right breasts, and her left breast had been severed. Oh, my goodness. Completely. Jesus. Yeah, like down to the chest wall.

There was several cut marks all over her. She had been, I mean, her sweater was torn in several places. She had no pants on. Her underwear was down around her knees. pulled down intentionally. $17 was tucked into her sock. And she had been repeatedly raped. It was obvious.

Repeatedly sexually assaulted. They had to use dental records to identify her. Oh my goodness. Yes. And on June 1st, 1981, pathologist Peter Sykman was the one on scene. And he said that she had been dead for three days when they found her. So they had held her alive and tortured her for upwards of a week before that. That's what I was going to say.

Because she went missing 10 days earlier. Right. Yeah. So. A week. Oh, my God. A week. So Dr. David Barrett, the director of pathology at Central DuPage Hospital, he did the autopsy.

He said, quote, and this is from the court documents. It said, quote, the victim's breasts and interior chest wall were absent. And several ribs were in disarray. Dr. Barrett found nicks or cuts on a number of the victim's ribs, which could have been caused by a sharp blader object. Dr. Barrett concluded that the victim had died as a result of stab wounds and blood loss associated with the stab wounds. Holy cow.

So cause of death was multiple stab wounds. Catherine Ramsland, who, she's the one that we talked about with BTK a lot. Yeah. She's amazing. Right. Like, I love her. She wrote the book, right? Yeah.

And she, like, communicated with him. She's just, she's so brilliant. Like, I love her. She's a mind. She's a brain. She mentioned in a documentary I watched about this that removing the breast is like a very significant thing here. Yeah, it is.

Like this is not just something that somebody would do as like, oh, I'm going to try this out. Whoop. Like, you know, it's not. Is that like a mommy issue? It could be a mommy issue or she said it's more of like a parapheria, which is like, she said it could be that that's something that like, it's like she described as like a sexual deviance where somebody gets aroused by like very strong. strange objects and things, like things that are not normal to be aroused by, like removing a

breast from a body. Right. She also said it could be symbolic or ritualistic because this part of the human body some people look at as being inherently female, even though it's just like a lump of fat. Fat. But okay. And so they look at it as like removing the female part of you. Right. Like one of the things that makes you a female, you know? Yeah. That makes sense. And somebody, you know, dumb like this would think that. And it also could be a trophy or a momento because we've seen if they keep the boob. Some of them will keep that kind of shit. And if you look back at Jack the Ripper, which we haven't covered yet, but we definitely will. I know it blows my mind that we haven't

covered that yet, but I'm like, well, it's such a big one. It is. That's a multi-party. For sure. So when you look back at Jack the Ripper, his last victim, Mary Kelly, he removed the breasts. Uh-huh. Yeah. And he placed them like on her nightstand. So that's something. Like, it's just like that's a connection. For sure, it means something. It definitely does. So kind of, unfortunately, nothing really, you know, what we see with this is this crew went after, you know, people that were going to be considered less dead.

Of course. A lot of the times. Not always. Sometimes they, I don't think there was really a method to their madness. I think that they probably went more towards, you know, sex workers, drug addicts and people that they felt were not. going to be missed. Right. They were wrong. Right. Thankfully. But they definitely went for sex workers a lot. And I think that was just for ease of getting them into the vehicle. Right. Unfortunately. But, you know, with people like Linda Sutton, the case was just going cold because it was not a lot of

places they could look. She had family, but they didn't know a lot about her whereabouts or what she was going to be doing. They probably didn't know like her route that she took for anything like that. Yeah, the extent of everything. So unfortunately, went cold. Then one year later on May 15th, 1982, a 21-year-old woman named Lorraine Lori Borowski, she went missing. And she went missing in a crazy way because it was broad daylight. Oh shit. Now she had blue eyes, brown hair. She was a manager, an office manager at a real estate office. She was abducted in the middle of the day in the parking lot, well not in the middle of day in the middle of the morning in the parking lot in front of the real estate office that she worked at. Holy shit. So she's literally just like outside of her job. Oh yeah. She showed up to her office and it was in

it was in like a plaza too. Like not just standing like the plaza that I used to work in and just walking into work. That's literally what it was. It's like a plaza. You're surrounded by other places. How many of you right now are sitting in your car in the plaza at work? Exactly. Like waiting to go in. And that's exactly what she was doing. She showed up in the morning, early morning, uh, before, and she was going to be opening the place because she was the manager. Right. The office manager. And she showed up and she was never seen again.

Holy shit. So what happened was her boss, Don Stibb, came to work around 845. And he saw that she wasn't there and that the door was unlocked or locked. Yeah. He was like, so she hasn't shown up. Right. And she was very, she came to work every day. That was on time.

So they were like, what's going on? then he looked over at the parking lot and he saw a bunch of makeup scattered on the on the ground her both of her shoes both of her high heels and the keys and he was like oh what the hell can you imagine stumbling across that and being like first being like oh that's so strange that like the door is locked like that's not like her and then you turn around and you're like oh i know exactly what happened yeah and they would happen they must have literally ambushed her right as she was just getting out of her car to unlock the door. How do you... And again, in the morning. Right, that's... That's scarier somehow. So scary.

Yeah. Because you're never safe at that point. When you look at it that way, you're like, we're literally never safe. No. So it was reported to the Elmhurst Police Department when her co-workers found all this and were like, holy shit. Right. So her mother Lorraine said they went looking for her immediately.

They went to her apartment. They searched everywhere. They did missing persons flyers. They asked around everywhere. They were huge searches. Her mother, I watched this documentary. Her mother was so sad watching her mother. She said, she was like, I just like stopped sleeping.

Of course. Which I was like, of course you did. I know we talk about that so much with moms of like victims. You could ever sleep again. You just never. I can never close my eyes. Right. A lot of people say that they like never get into bed again.

They just fall asleep wherever. Wherever they are. Their body shuts down. Yeah, because you can't just calm down. And she also said, and this is the part that really, because she like, her voice broke when she said this. She said she carried around a white sheet with her, so she said if I found her, I could cover her. Oh my God. Doesn't that just like, wow. Yeah. To have to make that decision as a mom, just to be like if I find her, I need to cover her up. Like, I'm like, that's the ultimate caregiver.

It really is. And like her voice broke when she said it. And I was like, oh. That's her baby. And her name is Lorraine. Right. Or daughter was named after her. It's just like, oh, Jesus. Like it's just really broke my heart. So Detective John Milner worked on this case, and he's a detective. He's also a certified investigative hypnotist. Oh shit. That's cool. Yeah, and they use it to try to get things out of people's subconscious. Yeah. It's obviously like controversial, like people, some people believe this stuff. Some people don't. He did hypnotize people that were working around the area because a lot of them were like, I might have seen something and I don't know like what's significant or what isn't that morning. Because you just don't think about it. You're not. You're not.

not looking for those kind of things. At 8 o'clock in the morning. Your coffee hasn't hit yet. You're showing up to work in the morning. You're not thinking you're going to see someone abducted. No. So a shop owner in the plaza, in the same plaza, I think they worked like right next to the real estate office. His name was Frederick Moberly.

And I was like Moberly. Frederick Moberly said he did, under hypnosis, he said, I did see a red, like, orangey van. that was very strange in the area during that time, and I think it has something to do with it. I fucking hate vans. I hate that. If you drive a van, get rid of it. Every time I see a van, and it's because I read the toolbox murders, like, way too early in my life. And they had that van murder mac.

Yeah, so fucking stupid. And they, like, ugh. It just reminds me of that, and it freaks me the fuck out. I remember being little and, like, my mom being super freaked out by white vans. Because you're just taught that. from an early age. You really are. And there was always cases where it was a white van that the suspect was driving. Of course. And then

it gets like put into other cases where it's like, I think he was driving a white van. It's just because everybody's scared of them. It's always a fucking white van. So this van lead, they had it, but there was really not a ton to go on. It wasn't panning out. They weren't really able to do a lot. But they were working hard on this case.

So two weeks later, May 29, 1988, a 30-year-old woman named Schumack went missing. And she had been driving with her brother. And this was around like 1 a.m. I think. They were driving home from somewhere. They got into, from what I've read in a couple of places,

they got into like a little argument in the car, her and her brother and her brother told her to get out of the car and walk. Oh, geez. And so she got out of the car. That was the last time she was seen off. Oh, her poor brother. To live with that. Yeah, I can't imagine having that guilt.

So her body was found four months later in a shallow grave in the woods. And a pathologist employed by the, the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office performed the autopsy. His name was Dr. Upill Choi. He said, quote, and this is from court documents, he said, quote, found there were multiple fractures of the victim's skull, which he attributed to trauma from a blunt instrument. Dr. Choi also found two superficial fractures of the sixth and seventh ribs on the left side in the high stomach area and a complete transsection of the right forearm bone. The cause of death was blunt trauma to the head and fracture of the ribs.

Jeez. Two weeks later, June 13th, 1982, a sex worker identified only in court documents as HC. I could not find her name, probably because she's a survivor of this. Oh, shit. She was picked up in a red-orangee van by two men. According to the court documents, it says, quote, after entering the van, the defendant, who I will tell you who the defendant is later. You will?

I will, told her to remove her clothing, handcuffed her wrists and ankles, and forced her to commit a deviate sexual act by forcing his penis into her mouth. Oh, gosh. He told her if she moved, he would cut her with a knife he had in his hand. Defendant ordered H.C. to tightly wrap pantyhose around her breasts and ordered her to stab herself in the left breast with a knife while he held a gun to her head. What? He then cut the whole larger and committed a single.

second act of deviate sexual assault by basically having sex with the hole in her chest. What? Yes. That is something that we find out later is a hallmark of these men, is they will remove the breast, which we find out later, they remove it by using usually a length of piano wire to slice it off. What? And then they will have sex with the wounds they make in the woman's chest. Oh, my goodness. Mm-hmm.

What the fuck? Yeah. How did, I said it before, and I'll say it. How did four people like this find each other? Well, it seems, and we'll find out later, that this is kind of a culty situation where these other men followed this one man. It's like a, not an initiative, initiation. But I mean, holy shit.

What? The actual. I don't know what to even. woman lived through this. My God, I hope she was able to, like, get some kind of reconstructive surgery. I hope she was able to get a lot of help after this. Seriously. Because then the defendant told her to get out of the van, threw her clothes out of the van, and drove away. Just tossed her out of the van. Like, that's not sexual assault. That's a whole different. Oh, it's beyond, it's honestly beyond words. I don't know. I don't even know what you categorize that as. I wouldn't even know how you

would categorize that. It's a very deviant sexual assault. That's all you can think. of not even like what well and she had said one man in particular which we will learn his name later he was the ringleader was very aroused by watching her cut her own breast and we find out later that is a thing that he is into he likes to watch the mutilation of a breast that's so bizarre and he then duct taped her wounds closed before throwing her out of the van oh and then you think of how much that would hurt afterwards yep um and obviously she went to the police and told them everything she could. Right.

Moving on to August 28, 1982, 18-year-old Sandra Delaware was found. She was also working as a sex worker and was abducted. Her body was found next to the Chicago River. She had her hands tied behind her back. She had been tortured just like the others. Raped and they found, and this is really horrific, I warned you ahead of time, guys. They found a broken wine bottle inserted inside of her. Oh my God. Her braw was wrapped tightly around her throat. And like every other victim, her left

breast was sliced off. Oh my God. Is it always the left one? It's always the left one. That's weird. Weirdly enough. I don't know if it's the one because it's like more over your heart. I was, that's what I was going to ask. Like, because I guess it's, your heart's not perfectly center. So yeah. So September 8th, 1982, 30 year old Rose Beck Davis was kidnapped and murdered. She was a marketing executive. So it's like we see totally. all walks of life. You know, like sex workers, marketing executives and office

manager. 18 year olds. White women, black women. There's a wide range. Many of these women were black. Many of these women were white. There was no victim profile really. Except which is woman. That's all it was. Makes you think like how

fucking crazy are you? Oh yeah. Because when there's no victim profile, I feel like that is the most terrible. Yeah, it's like when there's no motive, it's scary. It's like Billy Loomis says. It's scarier when there's no motive. It is. And Catherine Ramsland in the documentary I saw said she was like, there was literally no one, no woman was safe. Well, that's the thing. You could be plucked. And you weren't safe in the middle of the morning. Right.

In broad daylight. Going to work. Tons of people. Yeah, that's so fucked up. I can't imagine. And they said that Chicago was in a state of fucking like just terror, pure terror at this. point because you had no idea. So Rosebeck Davis, she was a marketing executive. She was found in an alley. She had been tortured and raped just like the other ones. There was deep wounds and slashes to both of her breasts. And I read in some things that her left breast was removed, other things, I just read that they were both mutilated. So either way, something, they definitely focused on the chest. Even worse, her face had been hacked with a hat. It's not. Holy shit. Yes. And what they found out later was that many of these injuries and tortures were inflicted anti-mortem. They were inflicted before they died. Oh, wow. Yeah, because they're just straight up torturing them. It's not like they killed them and then removed the breast to keep.

It was while they were alive for ultimate torture. Which is just beyond. Oh, my God. Yeah. So one month later, October 6th, 1982, an 18-year-old named. Beverly Washington was found in an alley, but she was found alive. What? She had been working as a sex worker. That's how they picked her up. The only reason I'm mentioning the sex worker work is because this is how they were picked up. Yeah.

She had the same wounds. Her left breasts had been sliced off. Her right breasts had been covered with stab and slice wounds. She was alive, like I said, but she had definitely been left for dead. They thought she was dead. She couldn't speak. She was in such critical condition. Wow.

They literally had her on like a ventilator at point. Like she was in the hospital completely incapacitated. But she made it. She was, she did make it. And not only that, this badass was able to tell police details not by speaking because she couldn't speak. She used signals and wrote down things for them. Holy shit. Yes, girl.

Yeah. While in the hospital, like hooked up to a million things, can't speak. She's like, I'm going to get vengeance. She's like, I'm going to get this fucker. And this is Beverly. This is Beverly, Washington. She is a young, how old was she, 18-year-old black woman, and she fucking killed it. Bev.

Yeah, she was vital. Good. And taking them down. Vital. That makes me so happy. It is. I'm so glad somebody was able to just be like, fuck off. Yeah.

That's always the best. It's like the, not the toolbox, the toy box killer when she was alive and got out. It's like, fuck you. Because you always want that survival. to be able to take them down. Absolutely. I hate that they went through it, but I'm glad they were able to be the ones to take them down.

Because they're a survivor. So she said that she was kidnapped in a red van. Yeah. Just like the, so we're already seeing everything's connected here. Right. Hand cuffed her hands behind her back, forced a ton of pills down her throat at gunpoint.

Oh, that's weird. Which we find out later some of the people, because a couple of these guys admit to it later. Uh-huh. And they do say, like, we would force pills down their throat, but they never really told what they would throw down their throat. So you don't know what the purpose is? No.

I'm assuming just to keep them docile. Like some kind of sedative. Like, like, yeah, some kind of sedative to just make it easier. But not strong enough to like make them pass out. Exactly. She was then taken to some room in a house, she said,

tied to a bed. Oh my God. Four men raped her several times and tortured her. My God. She said one of the men then took a length of piano wire, tightened it around her left breast and kept squeezing until she passed out from pain. Oh my God. She said she passed out from pain and they must have thought they killed her because when she woke up, she was in the hospital. That's the next thing she

remembers. Did they remove her breast? They did. They removed it. She said the red, the van was red. It was older. And she mentioned that between the front and back of the van, there was a wooden partition that was built. And she said that the front mirror had two long blue and white feathers hanging from it. Like she was able to say all these details. That's awesome. So, an APB goes out in all points bulletin for the van. Now they're like, we have all these details. It's not just a red van. Look for these feathers.

Look for a partition. These are like really big details. That's great. So five days after this, October 10th, 1982, Lorraine was found, 21-year-old Lorraine, who was the one that was kidnapped outside of her real estate office. Because they hadn't found her at this point. Right. She was found finally.

Five days after Beverly was. Was her mom able to cover her? She was found in Caledon, or Clarendon Hill Cemetery. And that place had already been searched several times. Oh, wow. And her mother said I was 10 feet away from her body and I didn't know it. Is there any chance that they were keeping her and then they put her there? What they think, she was, it was in an unused part of the cemetery.

Oh, okay. So they kind of did hide her. Okay. But I guess they just didn't look that place. But she was found with her left breast removed. Uh-huh. Her shirt was raised and her bra was lowered intentionally. a professor of physical anthropology at Northern Illinois University, Frank Orlovsky, conducted the autopsy.

He said he thought her chest had been repeatedly stabbed with an ice pick. Yes. Her nose was broken and there was also stab wounds to her back that also looked like they were inflicted with a ice pick. Wow. So they used several different weapons to your back. Yeah. So 10 days after this, Chicago detectives are out and they're. They spot a Dodge van that's red.

With feathers. They peek in there. They see it has a wooden partition. And there's the feathers hanging from the mirror. I mean, I'm glad that they're this stupid. First of all, you're going to drive a red vehicle. Yeah, exactly. That's dumb.

Like a red van. Then you're going to go ahead and put feathers in there. It's like, why don't you make it more obvious? I'm glad that they did. But like, really? I guess they tried to tint the windows a little, but you could see. That's stupid. Yeah.

So officers pull them over, obviously. And the driver is 21-year-old Edward Spritzer. 21-year-old. 21-year-old. When they pull him over, he's like super twitchy, and he's like, eh. And so he says immediately, he's like, this van isn't mine, by the way. Okay. And the cops are like, okay, why are you driving it then?

Like, that doesn't help your case, that this is not yours. That's illegal. Like, that's theft. And he was like, oh, no, no, no, it's my boss's van. And I'm driving it for him. And they're like, okay, well, who is your boss? And his boss is Robin Get. So Robin Gett, apparently, he's a little older than probably about like 10 years or so.

So he's like 30s. Yeah, he's in his 30s. And so he was a carpenter and electrician and like a contractor at times, like just kind of like an all-around handyman. And before I get into Robin, I want to quickly get into how Robin and Edward met, like how he came to be driving his van. Right. So Edward was living at the time in the Rip Van Winkle Motel and now called the Briar Rabbit Motel. And he was working at a donut shop part time. And he said he was working here that he met Robin.

Sure. Because he said Robin would come into the shop often late, like on his way home from work and get a donut or something. And one night, Edward's car wouldn't start. And Robin happened to be the one in the shop late at night. and he agreed to give him a ride home to Chicago. Uh-oh. So it's going to get rough from here on that. It's pretty rough anyway.

It's pretty rough, so I just want to keep warning. It's going to continue. We're not going to get a lot of downtime for this one. Good. Glad to hear it. So, yeah. So that's how they met initially. And then he eventually started working for him doing little jobs.

That's how he became to driving that van. Yeah. He also considered working for Robin to be doing this with Robin, this stuff with the women. Yeah, that was their quote unquote job. He considered like, we work together. So they bring in, so immediately they go to Robin's house. He leads them to Robin's house because he's like, now he's trying to save his own ass. Yeah, of course.

So they go to Robin's house. They find out that Robin matches the description that Beverly Washington gave them perfectly. Wow. And I mean, right now all they have. have is sure they have the van that matches perfectly. They have him that matches perfectly. But they need some evidence. They need her to identify him. Right. So, and he's denying it. He said he has a wife and three children. Oh my God. He says I was home with my wife that night. No, you weren't. And when they look over his van some more, they were like, okay, we need a little bit more to like go by here. Not only was everything

matching perfectly, but then they notice that the inside handles were intentionally modified to make sure you couldn't open them from the inside. So you couldn't get out once you were in. Of course. And they were modified to do that. That's fucking terrifying. That's like bone collector shit. If anyone's seen the bone collector, first of all, it's a great movie.

My biggest fear, when I get into like a ride share is like I look in, I look at the lock. Because in that movie, the guy is like a cab driver and he has shaved down the locks to be razors so you can't unlock it. And if you do, you slice your finger. Oh my God. And it always makes me think of that. So this immediately made me think of that. that. So they speak to him. They go over everything, but he's got to be released. They don't have

anything to hold them on. There's nothing. So they start to dig deeper. And they see that he's often been seen at the Rip Van Winkle Motel along with Edward. So, and again, this is where Linda Sutton was found. I was going to say. So they talked to the manager of the Rip Van Winkle Hotel and they're like, you know, can you tell me anything? And he says, yeah, they often came here. It was him, Robin, with three other men. And he said they're often here. they would get rooms that were connected to each other, and then they would just, like, have crazy parties. Okay. So he said the one who mentioned that, he was actually the one that mentioned, that he thought they were in some kind of like satanic cult.

Okay. He was like, they give me that vibe. And he's like, and they've, what is that vibe exactly? Which, that's exactly what I thought. I was like, what, how does one give a satanic cult vibe? Right. Unless you're coming in there just being like, like holding the satanic Bible. and like throwing blood at someone.

I'm not really sure how you would immediately be like, I think they're in a same. Or is this just like a West Memphis three deal and he walked in wearing a fucking Metallica shirt? Because it is the early 80s and it's like what's going on here. But it did have freaked him out. He said they freaked him out. He had good instincts.

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So they bring the line up to her. Into her hospital room? So at her bedside, she picks him out immediately. What the fuck? And they said she was panicked, like, started freaking out when she saw her, like, saw him. She was literally like that. And like, in a lineup of other men, she, like, didn't even take a second and was like, that's him. Oh, my God. And then they said, like, she was literally like in a state, like a panic attack.

Right. Like so terrified of this man. Oh, I can't imagine how terrified you would. Like, that man abducted you, raped you, tortured you. you held you and then sliced off your fucking left breast. Right. You were on like a, you were on a ventilator because of this man. He's standing in front of you right now. And you're 18 years old. Like crazy. So he's immediately. So he was like there there. It wasn't like a photo lineup. Yeah. That's what, yeah. They did a, I guess they did a photo ID and they also did a

in person. Wow. And he was immediately arrested on aggravated battery and deviant sexual assault. Because again, she wasn't murdered. So that's all they could get him on right now. I hate that. I have such a big issue with that. Because he tried. It's like, can we modify that? She was left for dead. Right. They thought they killed her. Like, attempted murder. Okay, you thought it was going to end in murder. So let's just fucking sentence you as such. That's the thing. It's like, because they, I feel like they get rewarded for someone surviving, for someone being strong enough to survive their bullshit. And then that person has to live the rest of their life worrying that that person has the potential to get out. Exactly. That makes no sense.

So he was arrested for that, but he postponed. Why was there even bond on that also? Jesus, what the fuck is the legal system? Now, in between all this, another sex worker came forward and said that she knew, she knew get and she said, he attacked me as well. Oh, damn. She was like, this is not a first thing. Like, he would have killed me as well.

There's a warrant issued for his arrest immediately again, his re-arrest. It's like maybe let's not post-bail this time. Exactly. He was re-arrested on November 5th. And now they know that there are like because of the motel manager, they know there's three other men that they want to talk to you. Right. And they already had to talk to Edwards. So they were like, two more.

So they returned to the little bitch driving the van, Edward. And they're like, we need to talk to you. Who are your friends? So they interview him for hours and hours on November 7th. Yeah. He breaks. Finally. And which you look at his face and you're like, oh yeah, you can break him.

Like he's a little turd. That must be so fun as a cop. As a detective. break like that must just be like ha ha like wincha now he admits he's basically spilling the beans and he says the whole thing was ritualistic he said it was all because they were in this like cult

they worshipped they didn't even say they worshipped satan like they were just like we like they basically used the satanic bible but they were just like basically I don't think they really knew what they were actually worshipping I think it was just probably a convenient excuse And I think they were worshipping Get, basically. They were worshipping him because they believed he had power. Okay.

And that, like, they were doing this for some reason. Cute. And I don't mean that, like, they believed he had power. Like, they are mentally ill. And, like, they were, like, no, they are very sane. Like, they determined none of them were mentally ill. And I think they were just, like, crazy, as in, like, psychotic. Yes, yes.

And so what he said was they would abduct, they would abduct, stab, and then, like, that was their thing. They would abduct. They would stab them several times. And then Get would remove their breasts, usually with a length of piano wire and would often have sex with the wound. And he said, after meeting Get at work at the donut shop when they initially met, he would give him a ride home a lot. And he said, one night they were in the van and they decided to, and this is from court documents, quote, pick up some whores. Jesus. And that's a direct quote. That's horrible. He said Robin had told him, he would signal him when they were going to abduct to the woman that they picked up. And he promised, he said, you won't get in trouble, though. I'm not going to get you in trouble.

But, like, just help me out with this. Dude, you're driving the getaway car. You're such an idiot. So Edward's like, okay. Cool. So he was like, I'll get the woman into the front seat. I'll pick her up like any normal, like, just picking up a sex worker. Right. And then I'm going to knock on the partition and you're going to help me, like, drag her. Can you imagine being the sex worker in that car and you hear a knock from the back of the band. Yeah. When you hear a knock, you know some shit's about to go down. Yeah. So, and he also told him, quote, we're going to, quote, take care of a whore tonight. Oh, my God.

Yeah. So this is, you can see how they think about women. Good, good, good. And sex workers in particular. So the woman that they picked up was Linda Sutton. Oh, that first woman. He later admitted that another man named Andrew Cocherales was also present when Sutton was picked up. And this is when they start being like, oh, oh, cool. Who else was there? Anybody else you want to tell us about? And the court documents say this is the description of what happened.

When Sutton began to scream, Cocerales punched her, knocking her into the rear of the van. As she continued to scream, Cocerales and the defendant punched her several times in the face until she shut up. They then drove to the Breyer Rabbit Motel and took her to the defendant's room. after she was gagged and handcuffed to the bedposts, Get, Coccaralis, and the defendant, each sexually assaulted her. At several points, Cocerales stuck, and this is bad, a Coke bottle into her. Later, they took her from the motel and brought Linda into the woods. According to the court documents, after Gett and Sutton had been in the woods for five minutes, the defendant heard Sutton moaning and saying, what are you doing to me? Why are you doing this?

Hearing Get whistled, the defendant went over to the bushes, where he saw that Gett, had severed one of Sutton's breast and was having sex with the area where the breast had been severed. Sutton's breast was lying next to her on the grass. Then they left her and they just left. Just left her for dead. So she essentially bled out. Yeah, she was, yeah, I mean, because I think that was her cause of death was bleeding out for multiple stab wounds. Now, who is this Andrew Cochorellis? Right. We're talking about. So he apparently, worked with them sometimes and also acted as, are you ready? No.

A live-in babysitter forgets children. There's going to be so much dead air in this episode when you tell me these things because I'm just like, what? All you're going to hear is a hinge as like her jaw just falls open. I should just add that sound effect in there. Like, what? Yeah. Because you know that this, like obviously you're a horrible person.

Was he a good dad question? I have no idea. What? I can't imagine. I really can't imagine. That's weird. So, Detective Warren Wilcox is the one to interview him. And when Andrews shown a photo of Lori,

Lori the first woman, the 21-year-old that was, or no, the second woman that was abducted outside of the real estate office, he immediately says, that's the girl that Eddie Sprester and I killed in the cemetery. Oh, my God. And he was just like, yeah, what's up? Okay. Now, according to court documents, he said, quote, one morning during the spring of 1982,

he and Sprester were driving in Gets van on Route 83 in Elmhurst. They entered a parking lot, and they saw Lori Borowski and forced her into the van. They just saw her and were like, yep, grab her, and just forced her into her van. The defendant said that they then drove to the cemetery where both he and Sprester beat and stabbed the victim. In the morning. When Lori was dead, they dragged her body into some weeds. like evil absolutely so beyond evil he then implicated himself in upwards of 18 murders 18 and he admits to everything he confirms edwards a record of events he says they all had six

would they would all have sex with the victim stab wounds he said that was everybody who did that he added to the details of linda sutton's torture and murder as well oh no he said after raping her get removed a homemade hatchet from the back of his pants and struck the woman three or four times in the chest. My God. Get returned to the van a short time later, and the defendant saw blood on Get's hands and on the hatchet. Get and the defendant left in the van, and Sprester drove away in his own car.

It's like, how do you just drive after that? I don't. You just go home. I don't want to understand, but what? In Get, it's like, so you went home to your wife and children. Right. And just were like, hello, family. Like, what's for dinner?

Like, it's truly unbelievable. That's unreal. So now they're trying to get there like, we have a fourth guy here. Right. Who's the fourth guy? So there's mention that Thomas, Andrew's brother, is the fourth guy. Oh. So they bring him in an interview and they want to get more information and then oops, he implicates himself too.

Of course. So he confirms the whole thing, said Robin Gett was obsessed with removing the breasts and convinced him he had powers. He admits that he and his brother Edward, that he and his brother and Edward would rape, torture. and murder women. He said particularly they did, they all did that to Lori. He's like, I did that. And then dumped her dead body in the graveyard. So he admits it. They were immediately deemed the Chicago Ripper crew for obvious reasons. Right. I think a lot of this really did harken back to Jack the Ripper just because of the mutilation that occurred. They all, and, you know, the sex worker thing, I think it really harkens back to it. They all said they can't remember really how many victims they had.

Oh, they just fucking lost count. Literally lost count. Like, they're all like, oh, I have no idea. Wow. Yeah. He said they were part of a satanic cult and that they would abduct the girls off the street. They would bring them back to Gets House while his wife was at work. Are you kidding? Where are the kids? It would either, they would either go to the motel or they would go while she was at work. I'm assuming they were in school. God. He had made his creepy-ass little attic, which I'm going to have to find the picture. In his home? In his home into like a cult room with an altar and a bed to sacrifice victims on. And his wife had no idea what was in the attic.

Apparently. What we find out later is that his wife and family believe he's totally innocent. So I wonder. I wonder what's going on there. Yeah. That pisses me off. Yeah. I'm not into that. No.

So he said each instance would result in the three men torturing and raping the woman while they were tied to the bed. And this would happen while get the fourth guy would be walking around the bed, reading a weird satanic passage from the Satanic Bible and like chanting. and shit. It's like, why do you need to, like, ruin things? So while you're doing this, like, literally they're like gang raping this woman and he's walking around chanting and shit. Can you imagine the horror? The terror. Like, that's true horror. The crescendo of the whole ritual was the taking the piano wire and slicing off the breast. Did he ever say what the point of that was? No, they didn't really, like, get into it. There's a lot of significance in, like, mythology and, like, weird legends and shit, like that when you go back, but it's like, I think he was just taking pieces from

things. But we do find out later, he does say at one point that he, his like family, like the men and his family, Robin Gett, had a obsession with breasts and like big breasted women. Okay. And they all had like a weird fetish with like they fetishized breasts. It wasn't like, oh, I'm a boob man. It was like a weird family deal. Weird fetish. And he said he came from like a long line of it. So I think it was taught to him that they were objects. for his pleasure. That's real weird. Which is very weird.

He said the same thing about, you know, the terrible things they would do. And he said after they would slice it off and after they would have sex with the wounds that the woman received, they would all masturbate into the breast. And then they would cut it into pieces and eat it. No. Nope. Uh-uh. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no.

Oh, ew. I could use another coffee, I think. Yeah. So now we have cannibalism to add to it? Well, because it's so not fun, I don't know the word. It's so strange that you just said that because literally right before you said that, I was going to be like, and they didn't even do anything with the breast. So it's like, why are they even doing that?

But that makes it even more creepily symbolic. And they wouldn't eat the whole thing. They would cut four pieces off and eat the pieces. Ew. Yeah. What? And an ex-girlfriend of Gett said he often demanded that she would, that she could, that she cut off her own nipple instead if she didn't do it eventually he would and that's why they

broke up that's why they broke up that's why they didn't why didn't your last relationship work out oh because i wouldn't remove my fucking nipple what i mean it's just and then he he was married before and his ex-wife apparently had a scar on her chest from to prove that he actually wounded her he tried to her like mutilate her breasts so maybe this woman why she's saying he's innocent because she was just so scared of him. I need to say that's why, because that's the only justification I can have in my mind. Otherwise, I just don't know. And like I said, these men all believed he was powerful that this ritual gave him powers.

What power, though? What was he doing? I'm not real sure. That's the thing. It's like, he drove around a van and, like, got donuts sometimes. Like, what fucking powers do you possess? It doesn't look like he was killing it in life. So, like, I don't really understand.

I'm not sure. So none of them would implicate him in the actual murder. murders. Do you think? I think he definitely. I mean, because he also, he was the, he loved to have sex with the wounds. Like, this dude was a cutting off the breast. Fucking crazy person. Yeah, he was cutting off the breast. So that's fucking murder. So, but none of them would implicate him in like the stabbing or anything. They all were like protecting him in a way. They're like, I didn't. He's the cult leader. Oh. Luckily, Beverly Washington, our girl was like, no, it was him. She was able to ID him and describe him. So she was like, um, yeah, no, this fucking.

is the one, like, he definitely was part of it. Right. And, you know, so there was clearly at least one instance of attempted murder, and he had tortured her. She was like, yeah. So only five women's deaths were actually attributed to them, like, officially. Yeah. But they believe it's upwards of 20 plus.

I, yes, duh. And one of the sources I used for this, I watched a couple of documentaries, which I will try to find in the link in the thing. I did read a book, parts of a book called Deadly Thrills. It's by Jade Slade Fletcher. And it's a crazy, it's a really good book about this case. And she believes wholeheartedly that there are other women. She's like, one of the things is they did go after sex workers.

So unfortunately, there's probably many other women that we don't know about. Absolutely. And he was, and she even said, she said something like, there might be fields that like there's plenty of women in and we're just never going to about it. That's awful. And it's like, oh, that's a horrible picture. But she's really, she's amazing. And actually, Robin Gett has said a lot about that book. Oh. And is like really pissed off about it. So you know it's true. So you know it's true. Because he's like, oh, like if you read that length and you have this totally distorted. Because he writes letters to people. Like people have conversed with him. And he'll say like none of it is true. I had nothing to do with this. He maintains his innocence still now.

Wow. Yeah. But that's a great book. deadly thrills. So there's actually another very crazy fact about Robin Gett. What? He used to work for John Wayne Gacy. Okay. That's so bananas. Isn't that nuts? It's so weird because in the middle, obviously we're talking about Chicago. So in the middle of this, I was just kind of thinking about John Wayne Gacy just because of Chicago. That is, I feel like I had premonition in the middle of this episode. When he was like a teenager and like a little over like 20s and stuff, he worked with John Wayne Gacy with that contractor business. Wow.

Now there's been no evidence to suggest or confirm that he was part of anything with John Wayne Gacy. No. But the fact that those two men would work together and have no idea that the other one, that each of them are serial killers. That's like incomprehensible. And like deviant sexual sadists. Like that's what?

Like how did they just happen to work for each other? Well, that's, that would be insane. But also I do wonder, because we know how John Wayne Casey was, if he was like assaulted somehow or like bore witness to the assaults and then realize that that's what he wanted to do. Like maybe Gacy was an idol of his. Gacy could have been one of those like, you know, like helped his psychopathy along. Yeah. Which is nature versus nurture. Which I looked it up and I couldn't find like anything to like that was really going into that.

I'm going to keep searching for it. And if I can find dig anything up about the connection. I would love to look into that further because that is just wow. When I found that, I was like, how? In this great big world, how did these two fuckers end up in the same fucking workplace? Chicago's like way bigger than Boston. Yeah, it's a big place. I mean, Boston's kind of small.

The fact that those two people happen to find each other is really, really crazy. That's insane. So September 29th, 1983, Robin was convicted in Cook County of the vicious attack on Beverly Washington in the attempted murder. And he was later given the sentence of 120 years. Okay. Incredible. So he will be eligible for parole in 2042. Oh, we'll still be alive, I think. I hope so. I mean, like, knock, knock, I hope so. But May 18, 1984, Thomas Cochorellis was convicted of the murder of Lori Borowski. He was sentenced to life in prison. And why wasn't Robin? Because there was

just no implication of him in the murders. He was never implicated. That's so fucked. Yeah, he was there, but he was never implicated. Wow. March 4th, 1986, Edward, Edward, the 21-year-old, was convicted of Linda Sutton's murder and also confessed and pleaded guilty to four other murders. Wow. Andrew and Edward were both sentenced to death, both of them. Bye. November 13th, 1987, Thomas Cocherellis' guilty verdict is reversed. I'm sorry, Because of some kind of legal bullshit and he got a new trial. So July 16th, 1987, he pled guilty to Lori's murder as part of a deal for a reduced sentence. Now, what was that motherfucking sentence?

So he was given a 70-year sentence. He's eligible for, this is where it gets weird. So Illinois has a thing where you were, at this time, Illinois had a thing where you were eligible for day-for-day credit for good behavior. Uh-huh. So if you were a good, a good personer, you got. bought the credit every day. And so part of the deal was that they also agreed to drop charges for Linda Sutton's murder as part of the pleading. We're going to drop murder charges. Yeah, we're going to drop them. Okay. So he's in there for, he's doing his 70 years and he's

getting his good credit, his good behavior credit. So he could get off early. Oh yeah, he could. So Andrew Cochoralis was executed by lethal injection on March 17th, 1999. He was the last prisoner to be executed in Illinois. Oh, wow. When Governor George Ryan was leaving office, he commuted, he, like, commuted. I don't know what. I was like, communicated. Communicated.

Commuted all death row sentences to life in prison. So Edward's death sentence was commuted to life without parole in 2003. Ah. So Edward is life without parole. Okay. It's so nuts to me that he has life without parole and Robin Gett, like, I mean, at least he has 120 years, but. Well, back to Thomas Cocorellas, the 70-year-old, 70-year sentence. He served half of his sentence

and was released on March 29th, 2019. I knew you were going to tell me this. At the age of 58 years old, so perfectly capable of still committing brutal heinous acts. All he really has to do is stay registered as a sex offender for the rest of his life. And he's listed on the Illinois State Police Murder Registry. Last I could see, he's, He's living at the Wayside Cross Ministries in Aurora and is taking part in their program for, like, troubled men. He did one, he did an interview, and it's the most infuriating interview you'll ever seen. What did he say? He takes zero responsibility. Of course not.

He says, quote, everyone thinks I'm a monster. I'm not a monster. No, you are. No, you're a fucking monster, bro. You're the monster. He also said about the victim's families. He said, they don't want to see me out there on the streets, period. No, they don't.

Yeah. And then he said, I'm much calmer now. I'm nicer, not mean. I used to have a bad attitude. Oh, that's one way to describe that. You're going to chalk up murder to your bad attitude? Rape, torture, and murder is just having a bad attitude. It's an attitude problem.

Something you grow out of, you know. Okay. Yeah. And he also said about the victim's families. He said, quote, I don't want to talk to them. I just want to say I feel sorry for them, feel sorry. Or I just want to say I feel sorry for them. Feel sorry for them.

And I'm praying for them. Oh, okay. What? You're praying for them? You think that makes up for the loss of their fucking children that you took? Exactly. And his last little thing that I saw in the interview that I was like, I literally want to punch you in the nuts so hard. He said, quote, they want to see me back behind bars permanently, but they got to deal with it. I'm out. So it seems as though you still have a bad attitude. Oh yeah. Certainly does. Like go fuck yourself. And Lori's brother, Mark, is like specifically like very enraged about this, obviously. Because he, full on admitted to murdering her. Right. He admitted to everything. How does an admitted murderer walk free?

It's unbelievable. And then go, I don't want to talk to the families. It's like, truly a miscarriage of justice. Like, you don't want to talk to them? Like, do you think they want to talk to you? And also I'm praying for them. Oh, fuck right off with that. You could have saved yourself a lot of prayers and just not killed their kid.

They don't want your dirty ass prayers. Yeah, that's for sure. And don't say you're doing something that you're not doing. Like, fuck you. Like, and her brother, Mark has said that his biggest thing is that he's worried that he's going to reoffend. He is going to reaffend. And he was like he's young enough.

He's got the mentality. And he was like, I feel like he's going to reoffend and that's going to be when they put him away forever. But we're going to lose someone else. Right. And that's going to be on Illinois. It's really scary. That is fucked up.

Because I don't think murder is something that you can be rehabilitated from. Not this kind of like premeditated. Right. planned out, like, vicious, torturous murder. Like, sexual sadistic murder. Right. It's that you don't know. You don't, you're not being rehabilitated from that.

It's not like a robbery gone wrong where you shot someone. Like a crime of passion, which I'm not like advocating that that's fine. I'm just saying those are a little different things because they're like a snap situation. Right. When you're like planning it, I just don't see you being rehabilitated. I don't see it. No. So that's the story of Chicago's Ripper Crew.

I'm like pissed. I didn't know all these details. Like when I started reading, I was like, how did I miss this one? I hadn't heard of it. So I felt like it was one that I don't know. I honestly didn't look to see if any other like podcasts it's covered it. They might have. I'm not really sure.

I don't like to listen to podcasts before I do a podcast about one. It's hard. Yeah. But I'm going to go check and see. Because then your brain like might accidentally say something that somebody said. Yeah, you don't want to like say things the way someone else says things. Like accidentally, it'll just like be in your head. I'll do it afterwards.

Yeah, I always listen after. I'll be like, oh, what did they say? Look at that. So yeah, so hopefully everybody was able to get through this one. Wow. And yeah, it was a gnarly experience looking up this one, but I thought it should be told. And holy hell. Damn.

Holy hell. Well, next week we're going to bring you to a haunted place. We are. We'll bring it back to the spooky, like the fun spooky. A little haunted cleanser for you. Yeah, we'll bring that. Wow. And in the meantime, you can follow us.

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