Morbid - The Grotesque Murders of Joel and Lisa Guy

Episode Date: March 21, 2022

Lisa and Joel Guy Sr. were said to be loving, kind hearted and passionate people. The two of them had raised a family together and at 55 and 61 years old were ready to retire. One caveat with their plan was that they were still providing for their grown son Joel Guy Jr. They had plans to tell him that he was going to need to start supporting himself around Christmas. Unfortunately they would not be able to celebrate their next Christmas. Their only son would brutally murder them in their home on Thanksgiving weekend. Young Williams Animal Center donation page to donate in honor of Joel Guy Sr. and Lisa Guy As always, thank you to our sponsors: MeUndies: To get 15% off your first order, free shipping, and a 100% satisfaction guarantee, go to MeUndies.com/MORBID HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/morbid16 and use code morbid16 for up to 16 free meals AND 3 free gifts!  Babbel: When you purchase a 3-month Babbel subscription, you’ll get an additional 3 months for FREE.  Just go to BABBEL.com and use promo code MORBID Rothy’s: Get $20 off your first purchase at rothys.com/MORBID Peloton: Visit onepeloton.com to learn more Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, my name happens to be Ash. And I am Elena. And this is morbid. It is. It is. We're here. I always try to like say it more dramatic each time. But you know, it's been almost four years.

So you can only be so dramatic. So much drama. Can only happen. So much drama for your mama. How is everybody doing? It seems like you guys dug that last episode a lot. And you know what? We had so much fun.

resorting that episode. Fucking cheese, man. I'm so glad you guys felt the same way we did about it because I was like, this was really fun. It was. And even though it's a topic that like obvious is real. Yeah. And it's tragic that that was actually happening.

Like some we were able to find the humor and like the language and the records. Right. And I'm glad that you guys were able to find that too because, you know, I feel like you get us. I just love to vibe with you guys. Yeah. It's just really nice to know you get us, you know. Thanks for, thank you for being a friend. Thank you for being a friend.

Thank you for traveling down the road. And back again. Your heart is true. You're a pal and a confidant. If you threw a party, I'm just kidding. You know what? Speaking of music, I have some gospel that I need to spread to you guys. You should because she spread the gospel to me this morning and we've been jam a lambing ever since.

I'm recruiting. So last night. This is a cult. All right. You know how I'm sure you can all feel this, especially people like that are like, you know, in their 30s. I feel like you'll really get this because... Elder millennials. Yeah, elder millennials, I think you're going to feel me a lot,

but I'm sure, hopefully all you will. But I think, like, music to me is, like, boring now. Right now? Because it's all the same. It just feels like... Overall. And it feels like rock went away. Like, I just...

I miss rock. That was my, like, genre. I just, I miss it, and I want it back. And last night, we were doing a recording, and when we came downstairs, We'd been upstairs for a couple of hours. And John was like just so happy when I came downstairs. And I was like, what you've been doing?

And he was like, okay. So I found out about this new band called Ghost. And he said the entire two hours that we were upstairs, he had listened to the entire album by himself in the living room. And he was like, I was smiling. I feel like I want to just like rage. I'm so excited. Like it's like it's the rock that we have been missing.

thing. Like he's so excited. And he was like, and they have this cool, like, aesthetic and I'm obsessed. And I was like, what? So he starts showing me at the two of us for the next like three hours until we went to sleep. We're listening to ghost and literally yelling at each other how excited we were. Like as soon as like, I wish I could have seen this. I'm sure many of you had listened to ghost because they've been around for a long time. We just had never heard of them somehow. I don't know how we were not on this train, but holy shit. If you have not listened to ghost, you got to listen to ghost. And if you listen to ghost, hey friend, like, we're officially in this cult together and I'm excited about it. And you have to like, look, like, say about their background story because

it's fun and cool. You got to look them up because they have this really cool, like, vibe where they they're, it's like, you know, it's a very tongue and cheek kind of thing. And the lead singer makes these characters and he like makes them last for a couple of years. And he gets, they're like prosthetics and costumes. And the fact that he can sing in the prosthetics that he has on. his face are, it's crazy. Because he can barely move his mouth, but he can sing amazing. And he kills them off or has them resign every two years, like in the middle of a concert and then just brings the new one out.

And this new one is, like, most of them are called like Papa Emeritus. And it's like, you know, this cardinal character and it's really cool. But I just love that it's rock. Like true rock. True rock. I was like, this, I'm in. It's really good, too. But it's just one of those things like I showed Ash this morning after we dropped the girls off at school.

I was like, you have to listen to this. And in the middle of the song, I kept being like, oh my God, I just love it so much. Yeah, Elena was geeking. I was freaking out. And it's so rare that music, I haven't had music make me feel that way in a long time. It's a good feeling. Because I know what you mean. Yeah.

I get it. It just like gives you that like, ugh. I just want to consume all of this. Yeah. And I actually was talking to Jordan from the nighttime podcast. Hi, Jordan. Go listen to the nighttime podcast is great. It is.

But Jordan's like a very big ghost fan and he was very excited and he showed me a bunch of songs I hadn't heard. And so now we're going to geek out together all the time about ghosts because I'm just going to keep annoying him about it. And now you guys can all geek out with Elena too. Yes. So everybody. I'm sure most of you listen to ghosts because I feel like very remiss that I have not.

But if you haven't, go listen. They're great. So I just, that was my public service announcement that I found for the first time in a long time, like music that made me want to just fucking kick things. Whoa. So good. I don't really have any public service announcements last night. I just went home and ate a tuna fish sandwich and then I went to bed.

Good for you, man. Yeah. I was an old last night. You were like jamming in your kitchen to rock music, which one of us is the older one. I know. I was like, I'm going to make my turn up for your sandwich and get some rest. I get some wrist. I get some rest.

I got get some rest. I stayed up late last night. I've been going to bed at 10. I know. And then I went to bed at 11 last night, and I'm feeling the ramifications. Uh-oh. That extra hour. I truly am geriatric.

That's okay. It's fun. Yeah. I'm into it. Welcome to the club. Get into it, yeah. Get into it. Well, you're not geriatric.

You're listening to rock bands in your kitchen now. Yeah, you know me, man. You're so, you're so hype, as the kids would say. John and I just yelling at each other in excitement last night. Oh, my God. Sometimes I think about. about the fact that I'm 25 and like not 82 because sometimes I feel 82. You know, you know, you know how I feel, you know what I mean? I think we all do. Yeah, man. But you know what?

Listen to ghost. Yeah, listen to ghost and Ash is going to bring us into a pretty, uh, we're going, we're coming back. Yeah. We're back in the, uh, back in the true, true crime of it all. This case is horrible. Like, yeah, absolutely horrific. Not going to be. Not going to be. be like last episode. No, it's not. It's not going to be as bad as Albert, but I mean, it's a pretty rough one. So this case begins in November of 2016 during Thanksgiving weekend. And this is the case of the Guy family. What a time. Yeah, so Thanksgiving weekend, you know, celebratory time, break out the sweet potatoes, the yams, yams, yams, potatoes, all of that. There you go. I think that's the song. And the guy family was getting together and they were going to

celebrate one last Thanksgiving meal in their home in Knoxville, Tennessee. Now, Joel Guy Sr. and his wife Lisa had actually recently put their home on the market, and they were planning to move about 70 miles northeast to another area in Tennessee called Segoinsville. I believe is how you said it. I looked it up about 42 times. I gave myself a phonetic pronunciation key here. You did everything right as far as I'm concerned. I tried. You did everything you were supposed to do. There's an R in there. It's like Sir Goinsville, but every person I said, I heard say it, said Segoinsville. You're like, I can do this. I can do this.

So they were moving to Segoinsville. No, and the reason they were doing this is because Joel Sr.'s mother had recently passed away. So he and his wife decided they were going to move into her house, like purchase her home and move in there. Okay. And their goal was to do that right before Christmas. Okay.

And his sisters were like super, super excited that their brother and their sister-in-law were going to be so close again, and they were really looking forward to spending Christmas together under one roof because it was something they really hadn't been able to do in years. Now, Joel and Lisa, just to give you a little background on who they were, they got married in 1985, and they lived in Louisiana for a brief period of time before they moved to Tennessee. Joel Sr. was married once before to a woman named Patricia, and together they had three daughters. Michelle, Angela, and Chandice, I believe, is how you say her name. Now, after he divorced from Patricia, he obviously got married to Lisa, and together they had one child who was named after his father, making him Joel Guy Jr.

Eek. Who I'm sure you've heard of. Yes. So to distinguish the difference between the two of them, most of the family referred to younger Joel as Joel Michael. Okay. To make things a little easier. So even though it was a blended family, everybody kind of seemed to get along well. together, like as far as Joel's daughters and, like, their stepmother, they were really young when their father married Lisa, and Lisa became, like, a big mother role in their lives. And they, like, totally looked up to her. In the summertime, they would go visit their dad and Lisa. And I think they would stay, like, a month just because where their mom lived was kind of far. So it was like, let's spend a month with dad. Yeah, that makes sense. I remember doing that when I was younger.

And they all said, like, what a good mom and what a good wife Lisa was. They said she had, she always had supper on the table when Joel Sr. came home from work. She always greeted him at the door, like, excited to see him. And when they were there, she made sure that the cabinets were stocked with their favorite foods. Oh, that's sweet. Like, she loved them. And she definitely loved the family of it all. Yeah. Now, one of the daughters, Michelle remembered, like, really looking up to Lisa. And she was like, I just wanted to be the mom that she was. Oh. And when Michelle got engaged, her engagement ring was actually like a replica of Lisa's engagement ring because she looked up to her that much. Oh, man. She was like, my first engagement ring was like literally her ring because she was just, I loved her so much.

And she was a step parent. Like, that's really cool to hear because when step parents have become like parent parents, you know, like that's like, I love hearing that. And it could be a hard transition. Oh, for sure. You have no, like on both sides. Yeah, exactly. Like the kids, you don't know, like for the step parent, you don't know how the kids are going to receive you. And how. And how. how much grief they're going to give you until they finally give in. Exactly. And for the kids, you don't know how this isn't your parent that you've grown up with. So it's like a lot of the time at least.

So it's like this is a new person that you have to get used to. So when it just like clicks and both sides like give each other the time and give each other what they need, it's really nice. It's really beautiful. Yeah. So that was really beautiful. Yeah, this is going to hurt my heart. But Lisa and Joel senior son. Joel Jr. He was a little different, a little different kind of guy. He was born on March 13th,

1988, Pisces. And growing up, he was a really shy kid. He had some friends throughout his like early school years, but not very many of them. And as he got older, he only clung on to one friend, who I believe ended up being his roommate, Michael McCracken. And even Michael felt like Joel was kind of distancing himself from the friendship the older they got. And he was like, I don't know, it just seemed like he was pulling away from me. Yeah. Now, Joel's half sisters look back on their experiences with him. And they were realizing they were like, we just didn't have any memories with him. Because they said most of the time when they were at the house, Joel would just stay inside of

his room and keep to himself. Like they would have like family dinners, even like Thanksgiving and holidays and stuff like that usually. He would either not come or he would be in his room just not talking to anybody. Oh, that's concerning. Yeah, he just didn't want to socialize with anybody. So that's why when Thanksgiving, of 2016 rolls around, and he not only decided to join them for dinner, but was like happy

and outgoing the whole time, everyone was a little confused by the sudden change in his disposition. Yeah, they're like, this is strange. I don't know about this. Yeah, because they actually, they didn't even think that he was going to be coming to have Thanksgiving dinner with them in the first place, but he showed up on Wednesday, like, ready for some family time. And they all were like, okay, like, cool, this is weird, but like, I guess we'll enjoy it. Well, and they're probably all thinking, like, the first thing you're going to think is like, great, maybe he's in a better place. And like, we're all going to be like, this is a good thing. Maybe he's turning over a new leaf. You never know. He actually even took out a big thing of his childhood toys, which were like at home.

And he was showing them to his nephews and like giving away the toys. And his sister, all of his sisters were really surprised. But one of them specifically was like, I didn't even think he knew my children's names. Oh my God. Like that's how distant he was. Yeah. And like just disconnected from his family. Wow. So Thanksgiving honestly seemed to go really well. The family enjoyed their meal together, but after hanging out for a little bit, Joel's daughter, Joel Senior's daughters, went home with their children later that night. And Joel Jr. was going to be sticking back at his parents' house. He was going to stay for one more night because he wasn't quite ready to make his nine and a half hour drive back to his apartment in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Ooh, long drive. Now, he had

originally moved down to Louisiana in high school, actually, to attend Louisiana State University. And his hope was to one day become a plastic surgeon. Wow. But he withdrew from the school the year before in 2015. That was like kind of Joel's thing. Strangely enough, he had actually done really well in high school. He even attended Louisiana School for math science and the arts in his final two years of high school. And it's a school for exceptional students. Wow. So he definitely was really smart. Yeah, I mean, to want to be a plastic surgeon, you have to at least be on the path of being able to get into medical school. Definitely, but he wasn't necessarily on that path because once he made it to college, he really didn't seem to have any direction, any motivation,

just like he seemed lost. Yeah. And after he graduated from high school in 2006, he actually ended up going to George Washington University in D.C. But he only spent one semester there before he decided to withdraw. Oh. And he total had spent nine years in and out of college and had nothing to show for it. Oh. Nothing. Like nine years in and out of college. How does it go nine years, man?

You got to like stop at some point and be like, okay. Like this is not working. We got to think of a different way to go about this. Exactly. It's not for everybody. Yeah. And I mean, I dropped out of college. Yeah, it's completely fine.

But you just got to take nine years to do so. Well, it's like you got to take a moment and come to that realization. eventually. Exactly. And the other thing is, this isn't him like shelling out his own money to pay for college because if you know this story, and now if you don't, I'm going to tell you, his parents literally paid for everything. Joel Guy Jr. never worked a day in his life. What an asshole. He had one like short-lived internship during college and that was it. And his parents are paying for everything and he's just like bopping out of schools. Yeah. Not getting anything. Like that shitty. And living in like a Bat and Rouge apartment that his parents are also paying for.

Yeah, come on. And Joel's half-sister Angela said the only reason their mother Lisa worked, stepmother slash mother, was to give her paycheck over to Joel Jr. Oh, that's terrible. She literally went to work every day and didn't take the money for herself, handed her check over to her grown adult son. That's bad. That's bad on all fronts. It's she paid for his clothing, college, apartment, bills, everything. And her husband, Joel's father, Joel Sr., would give his son money to you, but at this point, he was at his wits end, and he actually stopped giving him money long before the mom did. But that was all going to change soon. Because Joel Guy Sr., so he worked as an engineering designer

for a company called Alstom. Oh, wow. So he's a really smart guy. Super smart guy. But right around Thanksgiving, he got laid off. So at the time he was 61, and he was like, am I really going to go back to this or should I just retire? Can I retire here? So he started to talk to Lisa and he was like, you know, like, I'd really like to retire. There's actually no reason for you to be working because you're just giving your paycheck to our son. Like, why don't we retire together? Yeah. So like I said, he was 61 at the time and she was 55. So they're like, two of them are ready to just figure this all out. And just to be together. Yeah. And just like that time when you get to just be together and just look back and be like, damn, good job us. All right. Let's, we raised four kids to

together, you know, like... We had good jobs. We worked hard. Now let's have some fun. Yeah. So the two of them, they sat down, they figured out exactly how much they would need to retire. Like, they were clearly super smart in the way they went about this. They accounted for every last penny they would have to spend. One of their daughters were called that they even set their budget to include beer and cigarettes. Amazing. Which I was like, I love that. You got a budget, man. Yeah. And when they got to the bottom of it, they realized that they would definitely be able to retire with what they had. But in order to do so, they had to stop funding Joel Senior. Of course they did. But you've been doing it for so long that now it's going to be really hard to pull that back. So long, he was 28 years old by this point. Yeah,

you can't do that, man. I know it's like out of the goodness of, you know, parents do that because it's hard. Yeah. I can't imagine. Like, I want to literally buy the girl. If I could like spend every cent I have just buying them fun things. That's how I feel. Like, but I would do that. And it's like, Because it's so fun. And it's like you just want to help them. Right. You just want to do everything for them because you're like, well, I created you. I feel like I want to help you.

Yeah. But it's like you have to think. It's so hard. And I imagine it gets harder and harder and harder. I imagine I'm going to struggle with this the whole my entire life. But it's like it's a bad precedent to set because it's really hard to pull that back later. Because then this person thinks they're entitled to it. And void it.

Yeah. 28 years old. Like, surely you would be able to get a job and figure things out on your own, surely. Yeah. But we'll see what happens. So Lisa and Joel Sr. told some of their family, including their daughters and Joel's senior sisters that they were going to retire and they were going to move out to Segoinsville.

And everyone was just over the moon for them. Like I said, Joel's sisters, yeah, Joel senior sisters were stoked that their brother was going to be closer. Of course. They couldn't wait to just bond and hang. out. Yeah. I don't know if they were retired, but, you know, these two are retiring. Maybe they're going to plan trips together. Like, of course. Such an exciting time. When you see, like, your sibling or like somebody you care about has worked their whole life really hard. Yeah. And then comes to that

point where they are able to retire, because some people are never able to read. I mean, it's so sad. And it's because you have to literally sit down and say, okay, budget everything. This is hopefully when we're going to live until. And we need to make sure we have money for the rest of our lives. of our lives. 20 to 30 years. Yeah. That's a lot of planning. It's a lot of planning.

So when people are able to do that, it's a celebration. Like that's great. And especially people who have worked really hard their whole life. It's like. And given all they had to somebody else as well. Yeah, exactly. Not only taking care of themselves. Like being selfless.

But also just like did everything they could for someone else. They did everything they were supposed to do. They really did. And everything that they thought they were supposed to do. Yeah. So they planned on telling Joel too. But I guess the original plan was that they were going to wait until Christmas to let him know. I'm not sure what the reasoning was for that. Maybe they were going to tell him like after

Christmas and just in hopes to get through the holidays without some kind of backlash. I imagine that was the. They were definitely expecting it. Yeah. Now, it doesn't seem like anyone is sure whether or not Lisa and Joel were able to have this conversation with Joel Jr. before they were killed. But putting two and two together, almost everybody involved in this case knows that that conversation happened. Yeah. And probably happened earlier than Thanksgiving weekend. Makes sense. And was probably the reason exactly why Joel was like, oh yeah, I'm ready for some family time. I was just going to say that's why he showed up being like, woo-hoo, let's do this.

Now, as I said earlier, everyone felt like Thanksgiving had gone really well that year. Like they were happy about it. But the Monday after that, though, was really strange. So Lisa, she worked for a company called Jacobs Engineering as an accounts payable administrator in human resources. Like we hear in a lot of these cases, Lisa was all. always on time. She pretty much never missed work. And if she was going to take a day off or come and late, she would call beforehand. Just a good employee. Yeah. And she got along really well with her boss, Jennifer Whitehead. So Jennifer was waiting for Lisa to come into work on Monday morning.

And as she waited, she looked at the clock. And she's like, okay, it's, you know, 705. It's getting a little later. 710. I'm getting a little worried here. She let 15 minutes go by. And then she was like, I'm going to call her. Like 15 minutes is plenty of time. Because she was that on time all the time. That tells you what kind of worker she was. It definitely does. Because 15 minutes to a lot of people would be like, well, you know, they'll be in here. Yeah, 15 minutes time. Yeah.

My boss is in the past. Love you so much, everybody. But I was very late all the time. Yeah, like, whenever I hear that in cases, like, she was always on time. I'm like, not applicable. Yeah, not applicable here. I am a constantly late kind of gal. But Lisa was not.

So Jennifer was like, I don't know, something's off here. Like, why wouldn't she call? So she gives her a call. And the call rings, obviously, for a little bit. But then just eventually goes to voicemail. She keeps calling, calls a couple more times, lets a little more time pass in between each call, starts texting her, not getting a reply at all. So Jennifer was like, okay, you know, I don't, like maybe she has car trouble, maybe like something's going on.

I don't know. I should call Joel Sr., her husband, let's make sure everything's okay. So she calls Joel Sr. No answer. Calls him again, no answer. Text him a couple times, didn't get a reply. Now the other thing on Jennifer's mind was that later that day, some of the other people in the office were actually supposed to be getting together with Lisa to celebrate her retirement.

They were going to take her out to lunch. Oh, man. And she's like, she wouldn't have missed this. No. Like, why would she just not show up? Yeah, she was looking forward to it. She had worked there a long time. And she just wouldn't have missed the lunch.

It was, she was excited. Yeah. So Jennifer was like, no, I am calling the police. Like, I'm nervous. I'm just going to see if they can do a wellness check. So the police agree, and they go out to the home. Now, upon first. glints, everything seemed okay, and they left and that reported back to Jennifer, the residence

looks fine. We didn't get any answer at the door, but it doesn't look like anything's wrong in there. So she was like, okay, like, cool. But she kept trying, kept trying to reach Lisa or Joel, and she's failing to get any kind of response. So she calls the police again. And she's like, can you just go check on the house again? Like, this is really weird. And the panic that must have been starting to arise here? Yeah, exactly. You know, like, When I can't get a hold of my parents. Oh my God. We drive to their fucking house.

We literally will drive to their house. If I can't, we can't get a hold of them for like an hour. We drive to their house. Panic. Like, and it's like they are very capable human beings. Like they are not like, no. Every time we show up, they're like, guys, like, we're okay.

Right. They're like, oh, the phone was just like off the hook or something. I'm like, guys. Or they're like, oh, sorry, the cell phone wasn't on the ringer. Yeah. And I'm like, come. I'm like, leave it on the ringer. I need to know you're okay.

Exactly. And I imagine this is exactly how Jennifer felt. and then we'll get into it in a minute. But Joel's seniors' daughters were also trying to get in touch with him, and they were getting nervous. So Detective Jeremy McCord was the one tasked with doing the second welfare check. He was, because another officer had gone out first and obviously didn't find anything. So Jeremy McCord gets sent, and they're like, baby check a little bit further.

Yeah. So he remembered that as soon as they pulled up to this house, there was just like an ominous feeling in the air. He immediately felt like something was wrong. nothing looked wrong but the situation just felt off yeah and now both lisa and joel's cars were parked in the driveway but there was no answer at the front door and they only had these two cars so and the front door was locked now when they got up to the house they saw that there was a for sale sign in the front yard because remember they're moving yeah so they assumed you know maybe there's some kind of lockbox somewhere maybe we can call the real estate agent figure out the code get entry that way

but the lockbox was nowhere to be found. Usually they're like around the front door, door knob. And it's also like, why are their cars in the driveway? Immediately you're like, that's so strange. Yeah. So can't find the lockbox. So they're like, okay, let's call the real estate agent. Maybe she like put it somewhere else he or she.

And this real estate agent tells them there definitely should have been a lockbox on the front door. But since there wasn't, she said maybe check one of the guy's cars for a garage opener. I think you can probably get in that way. through the door. So Detective McCord and the other officer who did the first wellness check, Stephen Ballard, they wanted to save that as kind of a last resort, obviously, because you want to. They're trying not to break into the house, basically. Precisely. So they surveyed the scene a bit further. Now, they took note that the doorknob on the front door, didn't seem to match the deadbolt above it, and that there was all kinds of scratches around the metal part. So it kind of looked

like whoever had installed this had some trouble doing so. Like it was like very scratched up. Yeah. And now when they went around to the back of the house, they had to like hop over a fence, but they go to the back and they are seeing, you know, maybe there's a back door we can gain entry that way. So they find the back door. But they realized why the front door knob looked so strange. Because the doorknob from the back door had been removed and installed onto the front door. So the back door had no doorknob. There was a hole. What? Now, as he peered down to look into the hole that was left in the back door, Detective McCord immediately felt heat coming from the inside of the house and realized that he was detecting some kind of chemical odor also coming from inside. Oh, my God. And from his vantage point, looking through this hole,

he could see that there were groceries sitting in the front foyer that clearly would have been put away sooner rather than later because there was like bacon, ice cream, perishables. Yeah. So it was at that point that they could. checked both of the guys' cars to see if they could get that garage open and gain entry that way. Luckily, one of the cars was open and they were able to get the garage open and go into the home through the door, like the garage door.

Yeah. Always lock your garage door, by the way. I know. P.S. I know. I know they were home and stuff, but like you should lock it even on your home. Yeah, definitely. So as they made their way inside the home, they saw that there was a large pot sitting on top of the

stove top. And the stove top was on and the oven was on. well. Now, the smell of chemicals in the air at this point was so overwhelming that officer Stephen Ballard said it actually made the skin on his forehead start to tingle. Holy. And the humidity in this home was like borderline unbearable. I wonder if they were worried that there was something that was going to explode here. Probably. If I smelled chemicals and stuff and felt that heat, I mean, like, we need to get out of here. Yeah. But, you know, like, I got this wellness check done, I guess. I mean, good for them. They're good investigators. So they walk past the downstairs thermostat and they see that the downstairs one has been

set to 90 degrees. So immediately they're like, oh, what the fuck is going on here? The stove is on. There's groceries in the front foyer. You guys aren't answering. It smells like chemicals in here. It's 90 fucking degrees. What is going on? I can't imagine. I would be immediately nauseous walking. Oh, yeah. And then they had to go upstairs and it was even hotter up there because he rises. It was 95 degrees upstairs. Oh. So they called for backup as soon as they made their way further into this home because they made several gruesome discoveries, but one especially that left them absolutely horrified. So walking up the stairs, they heard a dog crying somewhere up there. And they would later find out that the dog had been locked in the laundry room. Oh my God. And it's like 90,000 degrees in there. And it's probably even hotter in there because it was a door that was locked.

Exactly. And shut in a smaller room, I'm assuming. Yeah, and a laundry room is always hot. Exactly. It's just like humidity anyways. Right. Oh, that dog. And God only knows how long he was there. Oh.

So they also saw blood splatter covering the walls. Once they made their way to the top of the staircase completely, they walked past several bloodstains on the carpet. Oh, no. A pile of women's clothes that seemed to have been cut off because there was a pair of scissors that was just laying next to the clothes. And then in one of the rooms off of the hallway, they made a discovery. spine-chilling that it led the officers outside. Like they literally just left and called for backup

and called in the house as a crime scene. What they found in that room was a pair of severed hands seemingly belonging to a man. So a pair of man's severed hands. Just sitting in a room. Now, as the yellow tape went up around this house and the forensics team was being called in to start taking and marking and eventually taking the evidence, Joel Guy Jr. drove past his parents' house, and he saw the chaotic scene unfolding on the front lawn. And it was at that point that he turned around and started making his way back to Baton Rouge without a care in the fucking world

because he knew that his apartment was all paid for, for a while, and his mother had just paid about $10,000 toward his rent, paid off some of his school debt, most of his utilities for the months to come. but the money maybe maybe she didn't necessarily pay that the money came from her account did you do it herself she had already been killed when that money was used oh my god he paid from his mother's account ten thousand dollars toward his rent his school debt like a portion of it and utilities months in advance so you see how are people how are people like this i have no idea like this

kind of human you're just like oh they make she just want to like shut yourself in your house and just be like, nope, not talking to anybody. It also makes you not want to have children. These are his fucking parents. Geez. Like, I was going to say, yeah, I want to lock myself in my house, but like, alone. Yeah, like, bye. You were like, I love my kids, but now I'm like a little concerned.

No, I'm terrified. So one way or another, Joel caught wind that his parents were going to be cutting him off soon and his days of mooching would be over. If they were going to cut him off, he felt like he had to do something to stop them. So he got to planning. Oh, my God. In a black notebook, he wrote down about four. five pages of notes. Most of the notes planned out meticulously the way he would kill his parents,

but make it look like his father was the one to kill his mother. Wow. That was the plan. So not only are you going to murder your parents who have taken care of you your entire life and your entire adult life. Yeah. Like the whole time you've been on this planet. But you're also going to besmirch his legacy. His name. Your father's name. By making it look like he killed his wife. Yeah. I mean, have no fear. This guy. turned somehow into a bumbling fucking idiot. Good. God, but.

But holy shit. His plans were so deeply evil. Oh my, like evil. There's not even a word for the length of evil he went to. It's despicable is what it is. It's like worse than that. Yeah. So first he decided he, and this is all written down, he would somehow incapacitate his father.

The original plan that he wrote down in his fucking notebook was to throw, this is also like, I'm like you're a teenager, like you're a man. child oh yeah i can already see that his plan was to throw something down the garbage disposal to break it and then go tell his dad that he it was broken get his dad under the sink and attack him while he was fixing the sink i'm sorry i have nothing to say you are 28 years old and you're going to go be like daddy the sink doesn't work yeah you're 28 years old man figure it out of sink yeah unreal and you're going to incapacitate your your father you're like oh older father that way.

Who's just about to retire and cut your ass off. So brave. Yeah. So brave. Right. You're so, this is a great plan for sure. So he decided once he had killed his father, he was going to sneak up on his mother and obviously kill her as well. But he was going to get his father's DNA underneath her fingernails to somehow make it look like they had struggled before they both ended up dead. All right. Stop watching like forensic files. Like my God, whenever these guys like, like,

these people go through all that and they're like, well, I was going to do this to make sure this. And it's like, oh, God, you're like such a, ugh. Because it's like, okay, cool. Like, great plan. That's, yeah, top notch. It's just so ridiculous. It's so over the top. But then you see how this plan just like, thankfully, fails so miserably.

Of course. And, like, his DNA is everywhere in this house. And it's like, he, like, he wrote down notes to prevent that. Like, he was like, don't touch this. Line this with plastic. stay this long. Which even that is stupid because it's like if you were, if you really were like cunning like you think you are, you would not be writing this down.

You wouldn't write fucking notes, you idiot. Like what's, that's like literally 101 of not being caught is not writing down your entire plan in a notebook. Like that's pretty much that should be the first rule. Very much. And it's like you can't remember. You can't remember not to leave. Like copious amounts of DNA everywhere.

You need to write five pages of like the things you should and should not do. What an actual imbecile. Yeah. He had all kinds of notes about avoiding the DNA around the house, how he was going to dispose of the bodies to make sure he left the least amount of forensic evidence possible. Killed it. Which you did not. He even had plans of burning the house down, which is why I think in his head he was like, oh, I'll leave the notebook there and it will burn as well. So no one will know what I did.

Now he wrote that he would set a timer for. for the house to start burning down Friday morning. Because as he put it, quote, sunlight masks fire, but not smoke. Everyone at work so they can't report it. Everyone in your neighborhood is gonna be at work. I've ever heard in my entire life. Sunlight masks fire.

A blazing inferno with a house burning down. Like, I'm sorry. No one's gonna notice it because they're all at work. There's no one on the street and none at all. There's definitely at least one person on your street that is home or is around the area. and it's like, no, sunlight does not make fire just invisible. That's not how that works.

What? And also, like, how do you even know it was going to be a sunny day, you idiot? And like, what? No, none of that makes sense. And then everyone at work can't report. It's like, oh, yes, everyone in the entire world is at work on that day. You can't account if somebody calls in sick. How the fuck are you supposed to know about that?

What if somebody's a stay-at-home, like, person? They call that a variable, my guy. What if somebody works from home? Exactly. Idiot. So the motive, although it would become clear, to everybody at one point or another, it was also written down in the notebook just in case we couldn't figure it out.

Wow. He was after his mother's life insurance policy. So crazy, right? Oh, God, life insurance policies. I'm so sick of them. I know, me too. I feel like every case I cover lately is about insurance money. And I'm like not even intentionally doing that.

Oh, no. No, it's more just like, why do people use them that way? It's like, God. Come on. Dude, it's supposed to be for protection. The other thing is, and I'll get into it a little bit later, but I found out about like what happens, obviously. if like you're the person that kills somebody and like you think you're going to get the insurance money

it's interesting how it works and there's a whole like rule that goes along with it it is interesting when you get into it it's like the ins and outs of it you're like oh yeah because nobody knows this stuff no but it's complicated process the motive of life insurance is just like oh god it's been done you're dumb right not it's been done but you're literally the worst like nobody ever you're going to kill a human being for money for life insurance money right meanwhile she's given you and he's given you money your whole goddamn life. Yeah, very cool. Now, he even knew, he must have, like, known what was in these accounts, I'm assuming he had,

like, access to her passwords as well, or maybe they were written down somewhere that he had access to, because he knew exactly how much he would get. And in addition to knowing the life insurance policy, he also had a list in his notebook of the assets he could potentially get if his mom had died and some others that he might be entitled to a portion to if his father died. But what about the other two? What about the sisters? Like they're not going to get a portion of this life insurance money, you think?

Well, so they wouldn't get a portion. I think he knew that he was the beneficiary and his father because his sisters were like her stepchildren. So I don't know if they were in this life insurance. Maybe they got like something somewhere else kind of thing. You would think because they were so close, right, that that would be part of the thing. Yeah. I don't know.

But he did account for that. Don't worry. So he wrote down $500,000 would be all mine with him missing or dead. I get the whole thing. Because the way the life insurance policy was split was that he would get half and his dad would get half. Okay. And he knew that his mother had this life insurance policy through work. And he had to kill her before she retired in order to get that money.

And he knew he had to kill his father too. Or like I said, he would only be entitled to half. Wow. And I say only because I'm telling like how he felt about it. How he would feel it. But $250,000 is a. not only. Yeah, not only at all. But he also, like, wrote down something about killing his siblings, too, to get more money. Oh, so he was going to keep going with this. You definitely was going to keep going. Yeah, it definitely makes sense to kill your entire family. No one will think it's weird. And I'm a survivor. Yeah, they'll just, you'll be, you'll be held up. Like, what are you? Scream 4, you're going to be. Oh, my God, girl, I was just going to say, what are you? Emma Roberts. Yes, I'm going to say. That's so funny. You're Jill from Scream 4. You're just going to be held up as a survivor.

Seriously. Yeah. So Joel Jr. had not spent Thanksgiving night with his parents to get some extra quality time in in case you were wondering. He did this so that he could find the perfect time to kill them and cash in on the life insurance policy. My God. So the Friday after Thanksgiving, Lisa told Joel Sr. and Jr., that she was going to head to the grocery store and stock up on grocery food and groceries. And that she also had to get pet food for the family dog. So she'd be back in a little bit. Now, there is literally. footage of her walking out of, I believe it was a Walmart that she went to for groceries, walking out of the Walmart, like about to head home. And you're like, oh my God. You don't know what's waiting for you. How many times do you just walk out of somewhere and like you never know that that's the last time you're going to be somewhere? And you're walking out of there to go home to your husband and your son. Right. Why would you ever expect that something is going to happen? It's just a normal day. With groceries for the whole family, with pet food for your son. dog, just such like an innocuous situation.

Yeah. So when she headed out, it seemed as though Joel Sr. headed up to the workout room on the second floor of the house to get in a workout while his wife was gone. It was then that Joel Jr. attacked his father, stabbing him at least 42 times all over his body. The stabs punctured Joel Sr.'s kidneys, lungs, and his liver during the attack. And he suffered multiple breaks to his ribs as well as kids. countless defensive injuries that were later seen on his hands, which were severed at some point. My God.

He had been stabbed with such force that there was still a piece of the knife lodged into the muscle of one of his shoulders. The muscle. Oh, this must have been so brutal. Unreal. So brutal. Unreal. So brutal. Unreal. So when Lisa returned home with the groceries, it was clear that she was attacked almost immediately.

She was stabbed at least 31 times and suffered stab wounds to her heart. Her aorta, both lungs, her left kidney, her liver, and her third thoracic vertebrae. My God. Some of her wounds were six to seven inches deep. Oh. To your mother. With which he did this. Unreal.

So over the course of the next couple of days, Joel Jr. got to work dismembering his parents' bodies as he had laid out in his notebook. My God. So flashback to this crime scene. The forensic team is making their way inside of the home. and they start gathering evidence and they are walking through a bizarre and absolutely shocking scene. Multiple officers and people working on the scene became physically ill, and at one point they actually had to have hazmat come in. Oh, I believe it. Yeah. And everybody who worked on this case said that

they will never, ever get this scene out of their heads. Yeah, because I remember hearing the details of this, and I can't, I don't know how you. I can't even. This would never just. leave. It would never leave you. Because I watched the trial, actually. You can watch the full trial on YouTube. It's like two hours long. And part of it is that they show the video of like everything is blurred out obviously, but they show the crime scene video. It is, I can see it in my head right now and it makes me like physically nauseous. It is the most disgusting, brutal, callous thing I've ever seen in my life. There were guns laid out on the dining room table and ammunition just laying about the room. Like in the dining room, there were just like boxes of ammunition piled on the floors and guns just on the table.

There were garbage bags strewn about the kitchen floor alongside multiple gallons of bleach and packages of baking soda. Just like Arm and Hammer baking soda. Just chilling right out there. Lisa and Joel Sr.'s wallets were laid on on the kitchen table next to some cash, a hammer, a set of pliers, and Lisa's purse. Oh. And her like, she had like a windbreaker coat just drivet. raped over a chair. So it's like, it's this cute little, like, almost like country looking kitchen. Yeah. But with pliers and pliers and chemicals lying about everywhere. So they walked

past the pot on the stove again and they would later realize that Lisa had been decapitated because they found her head inside of this pot, which was full of a boiling chemical mixed with water. Oh. They found her head in a pot. His mother's head. On the stove. There were also multiple space heaters throughout the house. So not only is the thermostat set to 90, there are multiple space heaters laying about the house all turned on. And as they made their way upstairs past the blood spatter and heaps of Lisa's torn up clothing, they saw multiple jugs of corrosive chemicals. Holy. So he was really trying to speed up this decont process. Oh yeah. And that was laid out in his notes. He thought exactly like how long it would take. We'll get to it. It's so.

so disgusting. So making their way into the master bedroom, they saw that the bed was covered with plastic sheeting, and so was the floor leading into the master bathroom. There was also a note found on a yellow post-it that was left on the dresser in the master bedroom, and it was dated 12, 19, 13, and signed by Joel Sr. It read 401k with a bank account, or excuse me, I'm on a money amount next to it, bank, money amount, insurance, money amount. I just don't really want to sit here and tell you, what the number said because I feel weird telling you about these people's money. And then it said, hold my old dead ashes, L.O.L. And sprinkle us both as, excuse me, sprinkle us both after you pass at Buzzards Roost by Angela.

Tell all my children, I love them. And as you should know, I do love you truly. I have had a blast. And it was signed by Joel Sr. But that's the really only like mention that was made of this note. So I don't know if this was like, supposed to be yeah like was a plan for when he did die like was that supposed to be in with his will and stuff you know right just a because i know like people will do that they'll just like when they

have a you know a moment where they're thinking about what they want to do to happen especially when you're retiring i'm sure that's like one of the things you're thinking about and if you're working with a lawyer or like an estate planner or something like that they tell you you write it down these things up so people know what you want. And it's like just write it down and like, you know, people will do that and they'll just write it on like a post-it note or like a napkin or something. And then they can bring it to their lawyer later and it can get like actually entered into the will. So in my head, I'm thinking exactly what you're thinking. I think that's exactly what this note was. And I think maybe Joel Jr. found it somewhere. That's what I was thinking.

And he thinks it could also read as a suicide note. But it really doesn't read like a suicide note. It doesn't. It says hold my old dead ashes, L.O.L. And like I love you. So it's like, why would he leave that note for Lisa when he's going to kill her? Doesn't make sense. Yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense. Exactly. So I think he's saying, like, I want you to continue on and like. And like sprinkle my ashes.

Yeah. Like, because I want to be cremated. Yeah. No, that's just that that's a, that's a, that's like a very. It's a plan. It's a plan. It's like, when I die. Exactly.

This is what I want. Literally wrote like LOL and told her like the amounts that were left like at the point in time. Yeah. No, that, none of that makes. That definitely was to me, he found that. He found that and he thought it sounded somewhat like it, or that he could at least argue it. Yeah. That's what I think.

It doesn't work. You're dumb. So we're still making our way through this house. They're in the master bedroom. They see that plastic sheeting that's leading into the bathroom. They're like, we have to go in there. Like, that's not great. This is gruesome.

I just want to let you know if you want to skip forward a little bit, now's the time to do so. Inside the master bathroom, they saw that there were two, excuse me, there was a large garden hose attached to the shower. Like instead of a showerhead, the showerhead was. removed and a garden hose was attached to it. That's different. Yeah. And it was at this point that they discovered two 45 gallon blue bins, which were full of different dismembered body parts. What the fuck. So the investigators believed that the bins were filled with a mixture of water and those corrosive chemicals because some of the body parts inside were nearly broken down to just bone. Holy shit. They would later find out that Joel Jr. had been dumping the solution

down the toilet as the body parts were deteriorating and the flesh was separating from the bones. He had written in his notebook, which they hadn't found quite yet, but they later would, quote, use sodium hydroxide to destroy soft tissue and soften bones for transport. And he also made note to, quote, baste once every hour to accelerate. This fucked up individual was talking about basting his parents' remains in corrosive chemicals in order to break down their body parts as fast as possible. His mother and father. Wow.

Basting them. Like he's talking about cooking Thanksgiving fucking dinner, which he obviously didn't do because he's a piece of shit who doesn't do anything. Because he's a loser. A great A loser. Wow. Based once every hour to accelerate. I got nauseous reading that.

Just the amount, like the grotesque nature of this. And just so cold-hearted. And so over. the top. And so, you and he enjoyed every second of this. You do not go this gruesome, this grotesque, this intricate and complex unless you are getting enjoyment. Are getting some kind of enjoyment out of this. He's sick fuck. Now in another bathroom upstairs, they found multiple sets of bandages in the shower and strewn about the vanity on this bathroom along multiple sets of seemingly used surgical gloves. And there was another set of men's clothing on that. And there was another set of men's

clothing on that bathroom floor, but this set was not torn up. And it was noted that there was blood all over the place. So it seemed like somebody was trying to tend to their wounds in this specific bathroom. And these were the killer's clothes. Now they don't know who it is yet, but they're going to find out. So the investigators then made their way into the exercise room where it was clear that Joel Sr. had been attacked. His clothes were cut up and laying in a pile on the floor. There was an overturned bowflex machine. Holy shit. And that's what. where his hands were found next to the next to the bowflex.

And in the corner of the room, there was a massive amount of blood covering the wall in the floor. It was obvious that that's where he had been killed. There was also a day bed in the room, which had been stabbed in multiple areas. So this attack, like clearly Joel Sr. put up some kind

of crazy fight because it went all around the room. I was going to say it seems like it was in multiple areas. It was, definitely. Finally, inside of a spare bedroom, they found a box of ammunition sitting on a dresser alongside a gallon of chemicals, which was stained and covered in like coagulated blood. They saw a laptop sitting open on the bed connected to an external hard drive. And in the corner next to the bed was a red backpack.

So they were like, what's in here? Inside of that backpack, there were multiple books that had Joel Guy Jr. written on the inside cover. There was a printed out paper about the mechanics of a wall. water heater. And of course, that notebook that I mentioned, which had five detailed pages about why and how Joel Guy Jr. wanted to murder his parents. Wow. Now, it was never confirmed why that page laying out the mechanics of the water heater was in the backpack. Yeah. But it was the same water heater that his parents had. And investigators assumed that maybe he was planning on starting the fire that way

with the water heater. I was going to say that must, I was thinking it could have had something to do with that. Yeah, I didn't get like super into the mechanics of water eating. Or he's trying to like break down the bodies faster. So maybe he was trying to set it really high so that everything would be like hotter. Exactly. Who knows at this point? I think that at this point they were just like, we know what you did.

Yeah. And we have enough evidence. So we don't even need to touch that. Yeah. But they did obviously say that it was there. Yeah. So by this point, the investigators working this case had actually already spoken to one of Joel Sr.'s daughters who was worried because she and her sisters hadn't

heard from their father. The Sunday before Joel and, Joel Sr. and Lisa were found was actually one of his daughter's birthdays. And she hadn't heard from her father, which was obviously heartbreaking, but also extremely out of character. Yeah. So the daughter that they were able to speak with told them, the last person who had been in the house with her parents was their son and her stepbrother, Joel Guy Jr. Now, once they realized that this notebook belonged to one Joel Guy Jr., and contained pretty much every answer to their questions. Now they were ready to track this motherfucker down. So during their search, the detectives on the case actually linked up with the FBI to see

what they could uncover. Wow. About the days leading up to the murder and then the days following. And they were able to pull surveillance footage from multiple stores in the area, knowing full well that there were a lot of items laid out around this house. And obviously they had been bought locally or like somewhat locally. And they assumed that they had been bought in the area and they were correct. Joel Guy Jr. was caught on surveillance at a Walmart, buying multiple boxes of band-aids, rubbing alcohols, and treatments for some pretty gnarly cuts that he got on his hand during these murders.

He was caught again at a Walmart before the murders, buying those two 45-gallon blue bins, which one of his sister saw in the backseat of his car at Thanksgiving. Oh, my God. And just probably assumed, like, oh, maybe he's, like, moving or, I don't know, like, people. Oh, my God, one of his sisters saw it. saw the bins and had no idea. No idea. Because why the fuck would you ever think that? Why would you ever think that your stepbrother bought that? Right. And came to Thanksgiving so that when you guys leave, he can kill your parents and dissolve their bodies in that. Right. Why would you ever think that? Right. But looking back on it, she's probably like, holy shit. That was right there. It was right in front of

me. And looking back, one of them also was like, was that why he was giving all his stuffed animals to my kids? Of course it was. Absolutely. He didn't want his shit to be burned down. So that's like, It was another way to be selfish, honestly. Oh, these poor, the poor sisters. It feels so bad. Watching the trial was absolutely heartbreaking. So he was seen buying those bins. He was also caught at a different sports store buying a Marine K-bar knife.

Oh, my God. And then at a Home Depot buying a bleach sprayer. I need to know, like, what goes through an employee's mind when someone at their store purchases a bleach sprayer. Like, you got to be thinking. You're never going to think that's for cleaning. Yeah. It's like it's got a ding in your head a little like. If I worked.

What's you doing with this? If I worked at like Home Depot or Lowe's, I would work at Lowe's. But in somebody came through my line buying a bleach sprayer, I would be like, what's this for? I'd be like, are you okay? You know we have cameras like everywhere. Yeah, I'd be like you're on camera buying this. Just so you know. Stop your plan right now.

Time stamp. Like boom. I would just, no. you know what I would say? I would just go, don't do it. Don't do it. Have a good one. Whatever you're doing, don't do it. Don't do it. And they'd be like, well, I'm just cleaning my bathroom. And I'd be like, don't. Honestly, like nine times out of ten, they'd be like, I'm literally just cleaning the side of my house. Oh, God, creepy. creepy, though. So yeah, buying all that stuff, he clearly thought that he was smart, though, by exclusively going to self-checkout. So he avoided any

suspicion that may have landed on him from cashiers. Oh, yeah, no one sees you at self-checkout. That's the good thing. He forgot about this nifty new thing. called surveillance. Yeah. Everybody always does. Raise your hand if you go to the self-checkout and you immediately look at yourself in that camera that shows you yourself and you go, who, that's what we're working with today? Okay.

You get humbled real quick. Yeah, it humbles you immediately. So he was humbled by that camera. He knew that was happening. Oh. That camera does not discriminate. I'm like I know he's the killer and he's disgusting and he dismembered his parents. Oh, he's just going to go ahead and say this.

He's a troll. He looked in the mirror every day and should have been humbled. Yeah. He's a troll. An actual troll. His disgusting on the inside was on the outside. He looks like the guy from Harry Potter that turns into a rat and like fucks everybody over. That's exactly.

And like fucks everyone over. I haven't finished Harry Potter the whole way through. So I don't know if that guy gets nice, but like he kind of sucks. There you go. So by that point, the investigators were ready to move. But at this point, Joel is already back in Baton Rouge. So they're able to find that out. And they also found out that he went back to Baton Rouge to have his cuts on his hands treated at a student center and had also made his way back to his

parents' house after that, but like I said, turned around once he realized that the police got to the scene before he could finish his plan. Of course. So detectives were immediately sent to Baton Rouge with instructions to arrest him for murder as soon as they fucking found him. So when they pulled up to his apartment, he was getting into his Hyundai Sonata, which like, I'm just like, you, what? You know, like, what? Tell him against Hyundai Sonata. I am. I used to have a Hyundai, and I'll never have one again, because of you, Joel. No, they're actually like really great cars. But anyway, he was immediately apprehended. And when his car was searched, there was a kitchen aid in the trunk alongside a meat grinder attachment and a gas canister. Now, investigators knew exactly why this

grinding attachment was there, because at one point in his notes, Joel had written, quote, bring blender and food grinder, grind meat. What the fuck. Grind meat of your parents' bodies. Why are you grinding meat? Oh no, grinding, like grinding his parents. No, I know. I'm saying, why? That's a valid question. I was like, no, no, not meat. Like his parents. Yeah. Like, why are you grinding their meat to get rid of them in his mind, I'm assuming? That's a, you're adding an extra step and an extra thing that's going to have DNA all over. That's an extra piece of evidence, you idiot. He loves this though. It's like you said he wants to go to the endth fucking degree. No, he's enjoying. You don't go through this.

A meat grinder on a kitchen aid? What the fuck? Don't defile a kitchen aid like that. Thank you. My kitchen aid is my favorite thing in my entire kitchen aid. Elena and John got me a kitchen aid for Christmas two years ago, and I cried when I literally cried. I can confirm. I cried. I was so overwhelmed with joy that my tear ducts just flooded the world. My mother-in-law, who I love, she got me my kitchen aid mixer. It must be like, what, like 10 years ago now for my birthday. That thing still works like it. And it was my, I was so, excited when she gave me it. That is an amazing appliance. How dare you. Agreed. Thank you. Now, when they searched his apartment, they found that his bathtub was filled with a blue chemical liquid and there was a bone inside of it. Oh, fuck you, man. It became evident that he was going to

try to do some kind of experiment to see how this bone would deteriorate and obviously was going to apply his findings when it came to disposing his parents' body. Such a scientist. In addition to that, investigators also found a 12-gauge shotgun and multiple receipts that were all for the nefarious things found at the crime scene, like chemicals, cleaners, bins, etc. Literally, everything they need. Everything they need to just be like you get this. Whatever they found in his apartment, they actually couldn't use that trial because I think it was something about like search warrants and they didn't have them and blah, blah, blah.

But I think they literally were like, okay, cool, like we don't even need to use that. We honestly don't even need all that smoking gun evidence because we have a literal notebook full of plans. We have a manifesto of him. explaining exactly what he was going to do and why he was going to do it. Yeah. It's an order. So Joel's trial would actually take four years to start, and it began in September of 2020.

There were 27 witnesses and 700 pieces of evidence to go over. The trial only lasted four days. Wow. Right? Joel Guy Jr. was an annoying piece of shit garbage from the start. Two days before the court was going to start the process of jury selection, he filed a request to represent himself in court. Shut up. The reason he did that was because he wanted to be put to death if he was convicted.

He was like requesting it. Now, the problem with that, though, was that the prosecution was not seeking the death penalty in the case. So try as he might, Joel was just not going to win that one. No, of course not. He actually even wrote a note to the judge overseeing the case, Judge Steve's sword, telling him he had his permission to sentence him to execution if he were to be convicted. you have my permission. Oh, I need your permission. Dude. You amoeba.

Dude. I need your permission. What? Apparently, he doesn't know how this process works. It's up to the prosecution on the case, whether or not they want to implement the death penalty. And if they do, it's up to the jury to implement it. The judge literally looked at him at one point and said,

is this really what you're concerned with? Like, literally said that. But don't worry, that wasn't Joel's only concern. While the trial was getting ready to start, his actual main concern was whether or not he was still entitled to receive that payout from his mom's life insurance policy. Oh my God. He was worried about that. Where are you going to spend it, bro?

The commissary? What are you going to do? Are you kidding me? He was told that he did not have the right to any of the money due to the Slayer rule. But he went back at the reps of the policy. That's insane. Like cool band name I call it. He went back to the reps of the policy saying that the Slayer rule didn't apply to him at the time because he had not yet been convicted and had not yet exorkept.

exhausted all of his appeals. Now, in case you're wondering what the hell a slayer rule even is, essentially it says that the beneficiary of any estate planning will not receive whatever money or property was left to them if they were the one who intentionally murdered the person who left them said property or cash. Now, it also applies if the person kills someone who would have to die before they got their money. So in Joel's case, if his mother had died in a different manner, he would have to split that payout from his mother's life insurance policy with his father, like I was saying earlier. Yeah. So if he hadn't killed her and she died like from natural causes or something, but he had killed his father to get that money, he still wouldn't be entitled to it.

Like the Slare rule also has that. Now in this case, he's obviously not entitled to any of the money. But the life insurance firm that Lisa's policy was held with, they didn't want to decide who the money went to. And they asked that the court be in charge of that. Honestly, I probably would too. I'd be like, I don't know what to do. do here. So while Joel's seniors' daughters who were trying to grieve the loss of their father and a woman who had literally been a second mother to them, but they were not only dragged through a murder trial, but also

dragged through a murder trial, but also had to work with their own lawyer to make sure that Joel didn't see a dime from parents that he had quite literally slaughtered. Yeah. See, I didn't even, I completely forgot that there's a whole other side to this. Yeah. And it's like, you, now it's like, yeah, the insurance company should have just been like, yeah. Yeah. It goes to them. Now that I think about it, it took me a second. But I'm like, yeah, they shouldn't have to go through all fucking trial just to get that. Exactly. It definitely put them through that. It's horrible because they're going through a fucking murder. Yeah. In like a murder trial that nobody should ever have to go through. No. At all. No. So when the trial did begin, Joel sat there completely unfazed by any of the testimony or recounting of the events that happened the day. He murdered the two people who not only gave him life, but the money to live and pay for literally every earthly possession.

that he had. He even laughed and smiled with his lawyers at different times throughout the trial. Wow. He barely flinched when the medical examiner took the stand and testified, this is very gruesome if you want to skip forward. That medical examiner had a job cut out for them. Oh yeah. And they testified that like they, it was very hard to do this. If you want to skip forward, like I said, this is gruesome. Joel Guy senior's arms were removed at the shoulders. His legs at the hip joints, his hands at the wrists. His head was completely skeletal at this point. And there was a part of his forehead that was so damaged, the medical examiner wasn't sure if blunt force trauma was used or if it was from the chemicals. Wow. The medical examiner testified how difficult this case was to deal with.

She said, quote, in documenting the wounds, I have to give a number of wounds as an at least because there was so much loss of tissue. You know, even some of Mr. Guy's arms were down to the bone. And some of the bone had begun to dissolve. There could have been more wounds. So she couldn't even like get an actual complete estimate. She was like, it's an at least. Yeah, because at some point, so the wounds aren't going to hit the bone every time. So you're not going to get those little markings. Exactly. And even if they did, even the bone is starting to dissolve at this point because of what he did. So she went on to say that it was impossible for her to give an exact count. but that um she said but that on what was left of the skin on joel senior's back there were 34 quote unquote sharp force injuries which means stabs or cuts and that some of them went as deep as six inches wow and jill didn't let out a single tear when the medical examiner went on to describe his mother's injuries and explained to the court that lisa's legs were cut off at her knees her arms were cut off at the shoulders and that her head had been removed and

placed into a pot to cook on the stove. Lisa's body had 25 sharp force injuries, and a forensic anthropologist from the University of Tennessee testified, it would have taken, quote, substantial effort and time to dismember these bodies in this way, and it went on to say how much work it was to disarticulate a body at the joints. Yeah. It's not like they just pull apart like a Barbie. No.

It's like that's a lot of work. When you're doing that, you have reached. a level that is so beyond anything anybody can comprehend. And these are your fucking parents. Yeah, never mind if this was a stranger or like a friend or something like that even. But like that's the thing. Like even if it was a stranger, this is like a level of depravity that you can't even comprehend. Right. When you take it into the fact that this is his parents, it's like you grew up with these people. Your brain just doesn't even comprehend it.

It doesn't. Now there was evidence. presented that Joel Guy Jr. had actually been planning these murders long before Thanksgiving, and the planning started at least as early as November 7th. My God. Now, Joel's lawyers tried to argue against the prosecution's evidence saying that there was still room for reasonable doubt. No, there isn't, my friends. Where is it? Good try. I know it's your job, but it's throwing the towel on this one. Is it wearing an invisibility cloak like the house was going to be? Yeah, exactly. He wrote it down, my friends. Like, I'm not even kidding you. They literally said that. They argued that Joel's attitude leading up to the murders was described by many as happy, friendly, outgoing. Oh, forget it then.

Yeah. Quarter adjourned. He was happy. He was jovial. Dude, Ted Bundy was like really happy when he picked up ladies and then absolutely brutally murdered them. John Wayne Gacy was like a clown. One might argue happy, friendly outgoing. Maybe let's not just be like, wow, they were jovial. So they definitely couldn't have this. His lawyer said, happy, friendly, outgoing people don't kill their families. No, they do. They do. They do. They do. We have a lot of history saying they do. Have you ever heard morbid,

True Crime Bucas? Yeah. They also argued that the family hadn't cut him off yet. They weren't going to tell him until Christmas. So what would his motive even be? Yeah. Gee, I don't know, guys. Maybe you could reference the notebook page that lays out his mother's life insurance policy and literally states

$500,000 would be all mine. Oh. Oh. Oh. No, no, they didn't want to look at that notebook. That notebook maybe didn't even belong to Joel, they said, because they argued that there was no handwriting analysis done and that the detectives didn't test for DNA on the pages inside the notebook only on the outside. Wow. Which, by the way, was covered with Joel's DNA, obviously. These defense attorneys are doing work, work, work, work. Like, I know you have a job to do. I understand that that's your role. I hope they got deep tissue massages after all of this bending over backwards.

My goodness. Un-real. Talk about a stretch. A hand-and-and-and-the-the-prosecutor. Yeah, the prosecutor. I was going to say the prosecutor attorney. You know. She was like, even if we had done a handwriting analysis, you literally would have just said that's junk science and thrown it out.

I was literally just going to say, how many times do you do a handwriting analysis and people are like, well, that's junk science. It really doesn't count. And they did have the DNA, the notebook tested for DNA. They just didn't test the inside pages because they were like, oh, cool, the outside is covered in his DNA. And so is this entire crime scene. And it's all in his handwriting. And it literally says, like, my mom's life insurance policy, my dad. Like, it also says, like, this journal belongs to Joel Guy Jr.

It's in a backpack with a bunch of books that literally have his name on the inside. Are you kidding? And also, they're doing a job, I suppose. Not for nothing. everything in this notebook is like happened like it literally says bring meat grinder to grind meat and he was arrested with a meat grinder attachment in his trunk they found a blender plugged in in the master bedroom which it's like what you do and are you bringing smoothies in the master bedroom right you're not no it's i understand that defense attorneys have a job to do totally but wow but i don't know

how they do it neither do i because i don't know how a I don't know how they were able to do that stuff with a straight face. Like, I would honestly start laughing. I think just at the absurdity of my story that I was trying to concoct about this. Like, I don't think I could do it. I'm also like, why didn't you go for insanity? Like, in a case like this, I would think you would at least try. But it's hard.

I'm sure. And the other thing was, I was trying to look and see if there was any kind of psych evaluation done. Because I was like, what is going on here? I couldn't find anything about that. everything I looked at. And other people were asking too. And it was like, it's a tough one to go. Yeah.

If you're not going to go wholly into it and you don't have a history to gather from, that it's a tough one to get. Yeah. And if there's no real tangible history of like psychological issues or anything like that, then I think they thought it may be too risky. But I was like, damn, even that makes more sense than like, that might not be his handwriting. It's what a way to go. What a choice they made.

It's a bold move. Let's see if it works out for them. It doesn't. The jury was not impressed. On October 2nd, 2020, Joel was found guilty on two counts of premeditated first-degree murder, three counts of felony murder, and two counts of abuse of a corpse. Oh, I was going to ask you, did he get? Yes, he certainly did. He went back to his cell to await sentencing, but while he was waiting, he had one more trick up his sleeve. He really didn't want to share a cell with another inmate. Nobody gives a shit. And he was like, I'd actually be a lot happier in solitary confinement because, you know, like, people sentenced to spend time in prison for murder. It's all about their comfort. Yeah.

It's all about making sure it's like a hilt in it and like... You butchered your parents and dismembered them. Can we get you an extra pillow? We definitely want you to be comfortable. No. So Joel decided to cause a scene. Four days after he was found guilty, he wrote a letter to the Tennessee Department of Corrections asking to be moved to solitary confinement. And the letter read, this is a direct excerpt of the letter.

letter. This was a bad idea. I'm psychologically unstable. I'm having fantasies of using my fingers to gouge this gentleman's eyes out of his head while he's unconscious and therefore wouldn't be able to defend himself. Given that in these fantasies, it is essential that I use my finger. Fingers and no sharp's restriction will accomplish nothing in deterring these actualization. I'm writing this letter because I don't want to end up with a disciplinary infraction or worse, more criminal charges. Nor do I logically believe that this gentleman deserves to be blind. I don't know what to do. I shouldn't be allowed to access to another person while they're unconscious. This was a bad idea. Please stop me from acting on these fantasies. Thanks, Joel Guy.

What an insufferable piece of shit. You don't get special treatment in prison after murdering, dismembering, and defiling these corpses. You think that you're going to get your every last motherfucking wish out here. Also, just the whole like this gentleman's eyes. Shut the fuck up. You don't talk like that. Get out of here. I don't believe he deserves to be blind.

Trying to sound so above it. Yeah. So cunning. Oh, yeah. Oh, like, good fuck, dude. That is insufferable. And when you look at him, you're like, yeah. You do try to talk like that.

Like, you're an insufferable motherfucker. You're an insufferable loser is what you are. Nor do I logically believe. Do what do I logically believe? We're going to talk about logical beliefs here. Gross. And that's what you did, your parents. You're going to talk about logic?

Yeah. Okay. I'm good. So the letter did nothing beneficial for Joel. Weird. And instead, the prosecution actually just cited it when they asked that Joel served consecutive sentences. Yeah, because they're like, look. They were like, cool.

Thanks for another piece of evidence. You're really a good one here. They do for saying you want to gouge someone's eyes, but eyeballs out. Yeah. So at sentencing, Judge Steven Swords said that Joel seemed like he was proud of his actions and that he doubted Joel's, quote-unquote, depraved mind would change over any period of time. No. And he said, he was like, you're pleased with yourself.

And you're, he said something like, you're not as smart as you think you are. Exactly. He was like, get fucked. Yeah, he was like, you're actually a bumbling idiot. Yeah. So he was sentenced to life in prison and will not be eligible for release until he serves 130 years. Yeah.

So we'll see. I get, to be continued, I suppose. But, you know, I like to end this victim focus. So just to end on a note about Lisa and Joel Guy Jr., I did want to share a quote from their joint obituary, and I also wanted to let you know about a donation that you could make in their name if you're able to and if you'd like to.

So their obituary said, quote, they both had a great sense of humor, were loving and kind-hearted and the most compassionate people. They were the loves of each other's lives. They enjoyed anything that involved being together, which included being in nature or on the water. They loved their kids and adored their grandchildren. Oh, I know their grandparents.

I know. And the place that you can donate to in their memory is Young Williams Animal Shelter, because the obituary asked that in lieu of flowers to please make a donation to this animal shelter in Lisa and Joel Sr.'s memory. Because I mentioned that the dog was locked in the laundry room. Joel's original plan was to kill the dog. He had written in the notebook, like, kill the dog and then scratched it out. I can't hate him anymore. So young Williams animal shelter took care of the family dog until he was able, like other family members were able to pick him up.

So I donated and. Oh, I'm going to donate immediately. I'm donating immediately. Or I did and you donate immediately and do it in Lisa and Joel senior or you could do Lisa and Joel guy. And I have the link where you can donate. And I'm going to put it in theirs. Yes. And I'm going to do it in Bubba's name. Two donations. They deserve it. The animal shelter seems like amazing. So I'm going to put it in the show. and I'm going to put it on our socials. I love it. So that is the absolutely horrific, gut-wrenching, devastating tale of the murders of Lisa and Joel Guy Senior. And it's just I can't imagine what their family has to deal with. I feel so much for their family and for their grandchildren. Yeah.

Who are going to grow up without these amazing grandparents for their children that are left that are going to grow up without these amazing parents. Right. And for their daughters that just had to deal with the. your mouth of like losing both their father, a woman who helped raise them, and like, weirdly enough, a brother. Yeah, because it's not that they ever really had him. So lose them in that way, I just feel really bad for them. So, I mean, oh, rest in peace, Joel and Lisa. Yeah, and if you're able to definitely make a donation in their name. Yeah, if you're able to.

For sure. For sure. So, yeah. It would be nice to, like, bombard that animal shelter with some donation suddenly. That's what I felt. Nothing but good can come out of it. Exactly. And especially just to do it like in their names. I think it's really special. Yeah, for sure. So yeah. Wow. That was really well, like well told. Thanks. It was a really gruesome, really horrible story, but it was really well told. It was really, really hard to get through. Like, can't imagine. I think that was one of the gnarliest ones I've done. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, we, we hope you keep listening. We hope you. Keep it weird. Weird. You know not to keep it that weird. I don't have to tell you that. But you know what, listen to Ghost. Keep it that weird. Keep it so weird that you listen to Ghost and become a cult follower. Yes. And also keep it so weird that you eat a tuna fish sandwich before bed.