Morbid - The Haunting of Doris Bither

Episode Date: September 25, 2023

In the summer of 1974, paranormal investigators and UCLA students Barry Taff and Kerry Gaynor were approached in a bookstore by a woman who’d overheard their conversation about the supernatural and said she had a friend who needed help from someone with their expertise. The friend in question was Doris Bither, a middle-aged single mother of four who claimed she and her family were under attack from unseen entities in their Culver City, California home. According to Doris, the attacks began several months earlier and included, among other things, objects moving on their own, the presence of inexplicable foul odors in the house, unusual noises with no point of origin, and most distressingly, multiple physical and sexual assaults that were increasing in frequency and intensity. Thank you to the lovely David White for research assistance :)ReferencesBiddle, Kenny. 2021. "A Closer Look at the Entity Photographs." Skeptical Inquirer 45 (6).O'Keeffe, Ciaran, James Houran, Damian Houran, Neil Dagnall, Kenneth Drinkwater, Lorraine Sheridan, and Brian Laythe. 2019. "The Dr. John Hall story: a case study in putative “Haunted People Syndrome"." Mental Health, Religion & Culture 22 (9): 910-929.Ortega, Xavier. 2011. The Real Entity Case, Part II. August 6. Accessed August 23, 2023. https://www.ghosttheory.com/2011/08/06/the-real-entity-case.Radford, Benjamin. 2021. "The ‘True’ Story behind The Entity: Untangling Hollywood Horror." Skeptical Inquirer 45 (6). https://skepticalinquirer.org/2021/10/the-true-story-behind-the-entity-untangling-hollywood-horror/.2005. The Entity Files. Directed by Perry Martin. Produced by Anchor Bay Entertainment. Performed by Barry Taff.—. 2011. The Real Entity Case. August. Accessed August 24, 2023. http://barrytaff.net/2011/08/the-real-entity-case-2/. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Mobbid. It's Mobbid. Mobid. We're here. How are you? You're here. We're all here. We're here and we're queer. At least one of us is. You're pretty weird. I'm queer adjacent. Queer adjacent. So I think today I know what the case is, because Ash warned me ahead of time, because she's a loving human being. Yeah. This is a gnarly one. Yeah. So we just want to warn you ahead of time.

Yeah. This involves sexual assault and abuse and it is of a young child. So if that's not your jam, then I will see you for Saturday. I am not psyched. I know, but I do feel like it was like an important case to be told. Oh, most, you know, every case is an important case to be told. So it's as gnarly as it is and how much I don't want to hear this. Yeah.

You got to do it. You got to do it. You got to do it. And actually, as I was, because I was like, oh, we're doing a child murder case. Crazy. And then I was thinking about something somebody tweeted at us recently. I think it was like yesterday. Yeah.

And I started looking into it. And I was like, holy shit. So this is way like super new ongoing. But I figured it was worth mentioning because we definitely want to follow this. In Lancaster in California, this 34-year-old father of, I believe, four. He had 12-year-old, 13-year-old, 8-year-old, and a 9-year-old. Yeah. He's a personal trainer.

He was doing, like, Zoom personal training sessions. Yeah. Suddenly he doesn't show up for his Zoom sessions. And his clients are like, that's weird. He always shows up on time. He always shows up on time. He would never not show up. Well, they're like, maybe he was murdered.

They found out he had decapitated his 12 and 13-year-old, a son and a daughter. put them in their bedrooms. And then his other two kids, his eight and nine-year-old, he showed them the bodies. Yeah. Then for five days, kept them in their bedrooms with no food. With no food? I didn't read that part. I didn't like walk to them in their bedrooms with no food after seeing their decapitated siblings.

What the fuck? For five days. And then so because he missed the Zoom. That's how they discovered that something was weird. But I guess somebody thought it was like a gas leak or something at first. that's why they showed up. Wow. That's what they should.

And I guess there is a woman that they found in the house as well and they assume she's the mother. I guess she's being questioned as well, but they don't think she had obviously anything to do with it. She might have been a victim as well. Wow. So obviously this is very new, very ongoing. Super fresh.

Yeah. But I just wanted to mention it because holy shit. No, that's a lot. And then you wonder, like, this is the thing that like this, like, it's so hard. Like this lockdown and everything, it's so necessary, but it's so hard for like people who are dealing with abusive households, people who are fragile mentally, you know, anyways. Like, this is tough. It is.

It's a lot. Let's roll out that vaccine. Yeah. Let's do it. But, yeah, this is one of those situations where it's like, oh, God, I can't imagine what that household was like. I know. Especially before this, because it couldn't have been a happy house to begin with.

Well, that's the thing. Things like that, it's always like a lead up. And it's being exasperated from, because I'm sure I think people were saying they were going through financial issues and stuff. So this is all just a big old mess. But it's like decapitated. Decapitated. It's very not, I can't find the right word, but it's very strange that only two of them were killed in such a gruesome manner. And then the other two and potentially the mom were just like, I wouldn't say untouched, but.

Well, and they were like starved and helped. And it's like, what was he planning on doing? I don't know. And then to think that he's just like working out on Zoom while there's decapit, his decapitated children are in his home. That's, it's very strange. That's terrifying. It's a strange, weird, scary story that I just had to mention because it was just like blowing my mind. Yeah, that's a lot. There's another true crime case like unfolding right now. And a ton of people have been tweeting us about that one too. And it's, um, this Instagram influencer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Alexis Sharkey, they just found her nude body on the side of the road, I believe in Texas.

And she left the Friday after Thanksgiving. She went missing. And then they found her nude body on the side of the road. And they're, they like haven't ruled foul play out, but they also haven't said definitively like she was murdered. Yeah. It seems like some things with that case are being kind of held. Yeah. Because there's some, some shadiness happening. There's definitely some shadiness. Her, I mean, they always look at the boyfriend first, of course. And actually, she was man. So the husband. You got to look at the spouse or whoever they're in a romantic relationship first. He's saying like she's my world, she's my everything, la-di-da-do. But I guess some friends, I was just reading a People magazine article, but her friends were saying that they were having financial and marital troubles. I mean, that's some, that raises red flags, no matter what. It's like you got to know you're going to be the first person they look at. And if you act even slightly shady, you're going to raise a ton of red flags.

With that being said, I watched Gone Girl the other night. Because after we did that, that's a great movie. After we did the Angela Diaz story, everybody kept being like, oh, my God, this has gone girl vibes. And I was like, I need to watch that. Had you not seen it? No, I have. Oh, I've seen it like so many times.

But I hadn't seen it for a long time and Annie had never seen it. I showed it to her. And at the end, I turned and look at her. And she's like, what the fuck did I just watch? She's like, can we watch drag race now? She's like, please don't gong girl me. I do not have that capability. And I could never slit Neil Patrick Harris's throat.

No, who could? Freaking Amy. Freaking Amy. That's who could. Amazing Amy. Amazing Amy. That's a great movie, guys. So good.

Go watch it. It's on Amazon. There's some good movies coming out on like Amazon and stuff and like on demand now because obviously no movie theaters. Which I personally love because movie theaters, as I've gotten older, I've gotten more and more germophobic, even without COVID. Yeah. So movie theaters always gave me like a really.

real vibe of like, yeah, lice and like other things. Like, I'm always very terrified of like the headrest. Yeah, I guess that. Because it's just, you don't know. But now most of them, I know you can probably, like, lice can chill on leather, but I feel a little bit better now that they're the leather seats instead of those, like, old cloth ones. Oh, the cloth ones. Those were a moment. Get out of here. That's, that's too much. But those, like, recliny leather ones, I miss the movie theaters so much. Yeah. I miss the syllable. I did always like to, John and I for our anniversary, would always go, because we never go to the movies.

To the Lux level. We used to go when we were dating all the time, but since then, it's declined slowly. And we would go to the Lux level, get the food, get a drink. The popcorn on the Lux level tastes different. It's better. It's just different. It's a bougie popcorn. Yeah. And we, well, for our anniversary, like, you know, we don't know how this started,

but we just started seeing, like, disaster end of the world. world flicks on our anniversary. You truly did. And it just started and we've, and then we just made it a tradition. We'd see like Godzilla. I love that. Like, just any like, and there was one with The Rock and now, of course, I can't remember what. Oh, it was, um, uh, San Andreas.

Oh, it was awesome. It's all movies that I would never go see. The whole world ending, some crazy earthquake that's just like destroying the planet. That's so funny because I fucking hate those movies. It is. And we always like halfway through the, like we'll be quoting. Like, before the lines come, we're like, we always know some scientist is going to go, Mother of God, and take off his glasses.

And then at the end of San Andreas, it was perfect. Oh, God. Like, spoiler alert. It came out, like, years ago. Yeah. Whatever. But at the end of it, like, you know, chaos has ensued throughout the entire movie. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, one of them, one of the survivors looks at Dwayne the Rock Johnson, of course, and says, what do we do now? Oh, God. literally goes, we rebuild. And then he goes, re-rebuild. And I was like, you nailed it. I love it. That was my favorite moment ever was, we rebuild.

I feel like I remember you're like hanging out with you the next day and you're telling me that. Like, that is a real last story. I was so impressed. I love that. So impressed. See, whenever Annie and I go to the movies, we like, we don't have a specific genre that we pick, but Annie has like a very different like movie taste than I do.

Yeah. And so it will be like, oh, it's your turn to pick. And then it's my turn. So we just see like the most ridiculous movies. movies. Oh, yeah. If you put them all on a page together. Because you're covering just a wide net. We once went to see freaking the Christopher Robin movie. Oh, yeah. I, like, Annie literally started sobbing through the entire thing and your girl fell asleep. Annie's sobbing. Hello. Oh, I have a landline now. This has happened before, I think. Sorry, everybody. Who is it? Who the fuck calls a landline?

Why is there a landline in my laundry room is what I want to know? It's probably just a telemarketing. No one's going to answer that. I just want to be real. about that. Yeah. And it's too far away for me to shut it off. So I'm sorry. Let's just keep bantering through this. People are going to be like, wow, that's a long fucking intro. It certainly is. I'm like, well, Jake from State Farm is calling. So please hold. You know, we're just going back, we're going back to our roots real quick and having a 10-minute intro. Sometimes I miss them. Sometimes I'm like, today at work, I ordered a ventymanized chai and I spilled it. Oh my God. Those were the best ones. Like, people were like, who gives a fuck, Ash? Shut up.

But these are all relevant, I feel. Yeah, these were. And it's just me, like, delaying the inevitable of getting to the case. I was literally just going to ask you. I'm like, are you just trying to, like, put this off? Yeah. All right. Well, you know what?

Here we are. We're going to start. Yeah. So if you... Let's get this going. I know some people skip over the intro, so I just want to quickly say again. This case is about a child, and it does involve sexual abuse, rape, and assault. So if that's not your jam, see you on Saturday.

Which, it shouldn't be your jam? No. If it is your jam, so. seek some help, please. But yeah. But if you don't like it. Yeah, that was a really poor choice of words. It's not your jam?

That's not your jam sesh, man. Just go jam somewhere else. No, I'm sorry, I'm a horrible person. All right, so let's get, let's get serious. Let's get into a state of depression. Yay. So Sarah Haley Foxwell was born on May 18th, 1998, and Salisbury, Maryland. And I Googled how to say that.

So if I'm wrong, blame Google and not me. She did. I heard it. Thank you. So Sarah was the middle child in a really big family, and her nickname was Haleybug. Oh, okay. Just kill me now. Yeah. Sorry. Because like I said, her middle name was Haley. So they'd call her Haleybug. Sarah's mom said that she was like the referee in the family. She would always like break up any like arguments between people because she just wanted people to be happy all the time. She's the mediator. And she was always trying to make other people happy. She was always happy. Like her mom said no matter how hard her day had been that she was smiling through it all. And. Oh, good. Yeah. So once she turned 11, she started sixth grade. She just wanted to be called Sarah. She was like,

no more Haleybug. My fucking name is Sarah. Yeah, she's evolving as a human being. She is. She is. And you know when you get to sixth grade, you're like, cut my weird nickname. Yeah, like, I'm being serious now. Like, it's just Sarah. I'm Sarah. So she was getting older. Like I said, she didn't need her nickname, but she was still sweet. And even though the difficulty she and her family were going through, she was sweet through it all. But the family was definitely having a difficult time. Sarah and her siblings were living with their mom's sister, Amy, and their grandpa in 2009, because Jennifer, the mom, was having a really tough time, but she was still going to be spending Christmas with them.

Okay. So it's kind of vague exactly what was going on, but put two and two together. Yeah. And Jennifer, I got a lot of information from Crime Watch Daily, like it was like a little YouTube video, but she told them, she remembered that she was trying to work overtime to make sure everyone what they got what they asked for for Christmas that year. and she told Crime Watch Daily that Sarah wanted a pair of Chuck Taylor's. And that she didn't know what they were.

She was like, I don't, I didn't know what they were, but I had to get them. But I was like, how fucking rad is this little girl? She wanted some chucks. I'm actually, oh my gosh, I'm wearing my chucks right now. I love that. So on the night of December 22nd, 2009, Sarah and her siblings were dressed in their Christmas PJs. Okay.

Having pizza for dinner and just like goofing around the house, like getting ready for Christmas, talking about how excited they were. And around 9 o'clock, it was time for bed. So Sarah and her little sister, Emma, literally skipped down the hallway, like her aunt remembers that they skipped down the hallway to their bedroom. Now, the house was like an older barn house, but it was converted into like a home home, actually kind of like our house that we grew up in. Good, good. But I think it was one floor from looking at it. It seems like it was. I'm not totally sure. It also doesn't matter at all. But so it's also not relevant at all. It's also not even slightly relevant. Me just like going off track just to like, let's talk about something else.

I'm like the bedroom. So like I said, their bedroom was down a hallway at the end of the hallway next to the back door. So. Okay. Yeah. Now that that freaks me out. Me too. Like having a door. A door near. Like it's fine. I don't want it near my bedroom, but if it's between my bedroom and the kids bedroom, it's going to be next to my bedroom. Yeah. I feel like I. Given the choice. If I have a choice. Yeah. Based on. everything I know about true crime. I'm just like literally never put your kids near an exit. No, don't do it. Nowhere near. As much as it would make sense, like, God forbid, there was ever a fire or anything. They could get out first. But I feel like true crime is more likely to happen than a fire. And it's like, I just, I would not be able to relax for even a second knowing that there was a door near my children. No. I feel like putting your children to bed in general, like you don't ever relax. No. Because you're constantly just like, are you breathing? Yeah. But like, I'm going to have a monitor on my. kids till I think they're like approximately 16. I don't blame you. Like their kids are like really

precious. They are they're precious cargo and you're fucking in charge of them. That is like the biggest like woe of life is like when you have a kid it's like oh shit like I have to be really careful with you. Yeah like I have to keep you alive. Yeah. I have to keep you thriving right. I have to nourish you. I have to nurture you. I have to teach the shit out of you. I have to teach you literally everything you will ever know. I have to teach you the English language and I can barely do it. It's a lot. It is. But it's great, but it's a lot.

It is. So these girls were skipping down the hallway to the bedroom next to the back door. So sad. Now, all the doors and windows were locked that night. Like, tight, tight as the rest of the house went to bed, they locked all the doors and everything. Then everybody went to bed. Now, something wasn't quite right the next morning when I believe the grandpa woke up, went to go wake up the kids to get them ready for school.

And then he went to Aunt Amy. was like Sarah's not in her. Well, was this, this was Christmas Eve, right? No, it was December 22nd. Oh, December 22nd. Oh, December 22nd, I thought it was. Yeah. So he said he was waking them up for school. Okay. And he went to go to, he went to Amy and he was like, um, Sarah's not in her bed. Like, have you seen her like throughout the house? And Amy was like, no. So they start, like, ransacking the house looking for Sarah. They're looking outside. And they can't find her anywhere. And then Amy goes to the bathroom, like, just to check that out and realizes that Sarah's green toothbrush is missing. That, I don't know why, that sends fucking chills down my spine.

You know why? And because I was, I was talking about it to myself because of who I am as a person. Something so, like, because that's a very, like, mundane task brushing your teeth. Yes. That's just something you do every morning, every night without thinking. For that, like, a little, and it's very innocent, like a little girl's green toothbrush for that to be missing. Yeah. From a, it's just like, it's Very unsettling. And it tells a lot about intentions. Yeah. Like a lot about what was going on here. It's just not, it's not something I want to even think about. Let my mind wander into. No. It's a dark place. That brings you into a dark place. And we can kind of talk about it a little bit after because you never really find out exactly like why her toothbrush was gone, but we can kind

of talk about it amongst. Yeah, we can kind of, me and you. I'm like amongst ourselves, all of us here. We can infer. So the other thing was that, Sarah's shoes and her coat were still in the house. So that was weird. Yeah. So Amy immediately called her sister Jennifer and was like, Sarah's nowhere to be found. But other than that, all of her important things except for the toothbrush are here. So like what the fuck? Like I don't know what's going on. So right off the bat, Jennifer was like, something is wrong here, obviously. But also, it was 25 degrees out, two days out from Christmas and it had been snowing. So where had Sarah gone without a jacket and without shoes. Nowhere good. No, we're good. So Jennifer headed out to the house and the police got called

like right away. Now when the police arrived on scene, they started searching in the house, outside of the house, like just like any, like looking for any sign of Sarah. And they double checked like all the doors in the windows because Amy was like, no, like they were all shut tight. Like every door and window, I double check them every single night. Yeah. Whoa, that just scared the shit out of me. Sorry for that siren if you heard it. So they looked for any sign of a break in and all the doors in windows were locked, just like Amy told them. So they're going through and they're checking every single one and they get to the back of the house. And the door just opens. The back door just opens right up. Like, just it was unlocked. But she knew that it was locked the night before.

She knew that it was locked the night before because she locked it herself. Can you even chasm? Oh my God. Why? The world is trying to get in contact with that. Seriously. But can you imagine? Like, I know I say this all the time. I think people always say it like you say it. Can you imagine all that? We both do. But how can you not? When you're going, telling these stories, you have to put yourself there. Immediately your mind goes to like, holy shit, what if this was me?

And if my brain didn't go there, I don't, I feel like I would be officially desensitized from everything. Honestly, it shows that you're an empath. You have to put yourself, especially when you have like kids or family, people you love. Yeah, I was just going to say loved ones. Just loved ones in general. Yeah. Knowing you locked that door. And then having it be unlocked.

And then just going to open it and click, it just opens. Because that's your safety net at first. Even though she's gone, in her head, she's probably sitting there thinking, I lock that door. So no one came in here because I locked that door. Exactly. And as soon as it clicks open, it's like, there it goes. There goes any hope of this didn't happen. It's like in how I met your mother except like completely different.

But when the glass shatters. I was like, yeah, it's so true. All of a sudden that like perfect little like, just naive, you know, blissful. ignorance just gone. Oh. So they're like, okay, you said you locked all the doors, but this one's wide open. And she's like, no, like, there's no reason that should be open. And then she kind of trails off and she's like, she's like, there's a spare key. Or like, I don't know if they asked her, but she was like, I keep a spare key on the porch under this like little garden decoration. So they went to go check and see if the spare key was still there. And they were met with an

empty slab of porch underneath. So the spare key is gone. I'm not. I'm not. I'm a little bit. I'm a big proponent of no spare keys outside. I'm also a big proponent of literally no spare keys. Keep it, if anything, like, keep it in your car. Yeah. Like, I just, you know, just if I can't get in the house, that's one thing. No, I don't want anyone else getting in there. So now they realize, whoever was with Sarah, not only knew where the spare key was hidden, but also knew exactly which bedroom to go into. Because remember, there's a lot of kids in this house. Yeah. And they went to that exact bedroom. And the exact bedroom. One specific child?

Exactly. Because like I was just going to say, remember, she shares the bedroom with her sister Emma. Oh, yeah. But this person, whoever took her, just wanted Sarah. Oh, that's even worse. So that goes to show this is somebody that you know. Yeah. So that's super weird.

And then on top of that all, everyone was super confused that somebody had come into the house because now the police are like, well, somebody must have come in here. Like, who do you know that knows where your spare key is? But they're like, the dog didn't bark. Oh. So this now this is like. somebody who's very familiar. Yeah, solidifying the fact that this is somebody who's been around this family for a while. Wow. And the police explained that, like, whoever they were searching for totally

knew this family and specifically had targeted Sarah. They were like, whoever this is, has like a fascination with Sarah. Holy shit. So at that point, they put out a statewide Amber Alert and police started searching for her 24-7, just hoping that they'd be able to get her home for Christmas. Because remember, at this point, she had gone to sleep on the 22nd. This is the 23rd now. So we're like not far from Christmas at all. So the sheriff whose name is Mike Lewis encouraged people to search their properties on their own and tie a little yellow ribbon around their mailbox if they had searched and like nothing had come up. And he went to do a helicopter ride just like pretty quickly after he made that announcement.

And he said the entire community was lit up with yellow ribbons. Really? Yeah. So everybody. So everybody was searching. Which was like a touching but haunting reminder that she was still out there. meaning to be found. So every officer they had was working around the clock and almost like all of them were working.

And there was special dogs that got brought in. Law enforcement across the country swooped into help. There were people who had come all the way from North and South Dakota ready to like search for Sarah. Oh, shit. I mean, when a child is taken out of their bed in the middle of the night, that shit is so beyond nightmarish. Yeah, that will rock a fucking nation. Oh, yeah.

easily. So the family was all stationed at the house just waiting to find anything out. And again, like I said, there's other kids in this house. They still have to take care of these other kids. Oh my God. I would never. Which how are you even mentally capable at that point? How do you ever sleep in a different room than your child after that? I don't know. I would literally be like you're sleeping in my bed. Forever. Forever. And like I'd never letting you go. I don't know how these parents and like guardians so much credit for like being able to exist after this. I know. Well, and they're just sitting there like, who do we know that has a spare key? Who would have, like, taken Sarah? Like, who has a weird fascination with her? I can't think of anybody. Now, while that's going on, Sarah's little sister, Emma, who by the way was six years old, and she's the one that she shared the room with, she comes over to her grandma, who's at the house, like, with the whole family and tugs on her nightgown. And she says, I have a secret. Oh, no. Oh, she's six. She's six, and she says, I have a secret. And she, the grandma whispers, or the grandma whispers, or the grandma, the grandma, leans down and Emma whispers to her that she knows who took Sarah. Oh my God. She said a man was in the room that night and woke her up, but she pretended to be sleeping because she was scared, but she heard everything that he said to Sarah and knew exactly who he was. She said, I saw them talking and then I saw them leave. And she said he was wearing blue jeans, white sneakers, and an orange coat. And his name was Mr. Tommy. I hate this so much. This case is so fucked. Now, we're going to talk about who Mr. Tommy was.

Oh, no. So Thomas Legs was a well-known name in this community, especially to the police. This dude is like an absolute monster. So again, warning, if you don't want to hear about some gruesome shit, now's your chance. And we're going to be real hard on this guy, so that if that upsets you, maybe don't listen. That shouldn't upset you, but whatever. So he was a registered sex offender, not only in Maryland, but also in Delaware. And he had previously been sentenced to set up.

years in prison for the fourth degree rape of a teenage girl. Now, she's listed as being either 16 or 17 years old at the time she was attacked. Somehow, they let this motherfucker out early on good behavior after serving six months of his fucking sentence. Come on. Six months of a seven-year sentence for raping a 16 or 17-year-old girl. And I'm sorry, it's, you're good in prison. so you get out early, even though, like, that doesn't prove that you don't have these compulsions anymore. Well, and I'm sorry, like, to be really blunt here, but there's no little girls walking around prison.

Obviously, he's being good. He can't do what he is what does best, like fucking disgusting. Come on, man. So, obviously, that letting him out ended up being a huge mistake because he landed himself right back in prison, this time on charges of a third-degree sexual offense involving a child. Now, my God, I want to kill this guy. It only gets worse. For that offense, excuse me, for that offense, he only spent another six months in jail.

And because the leopard never changes its spots, as soon as he got out, he reoffended almost immediately and landed himself back in jail. Because he's doing like five minutes in jail each time. Right. And I'm seeing a pattern here. At this point, he probably knows I'm going to get slapped on the wrist. I come back out. I do the same thing. And then I come back out.

Like, someone give him a fucking consequence. Right. It's like, like, you're letting him trick the system. God. So like I said, he ended up in jail again. Now, this last offense was reported by a 24-year-old woman who told police that he crawled through her bedroom window in the middle of the night and she woke up to him almost completely naked.

He was wearing boxers. His clothes just scattered on the floor on the floor around him, quote, committing a sexual act over her as he watched her sleep. What the fuck? So essentially, you know, over her in the middle of the night as she's sleeping. If only she had something to cut it right off. Cut it right out. Lorina Bobbitt that shit.

And here it is again. I've said this before. Anybody who comes into your fucking house in the middle of the night is a crazy person is so beyond a terrifying human person. Like, that's a daemon. A dame. Like a straight-up daming because they have no idea what they're coming into and they don't They don't give a fuck.

They don't know if they're walking into, I mean, you could have like 17 shotguns pointed at their window. They have no idea. And they don't care. They're just going to come in anyway. That's fucked. And that's the scariest. That's literally the scariest thing out of anybody.

Home invasion scare the shit out of me. Home invaders are some of the scariest people. It is. We have, um, I'm going off track here, but we had like a maintenance team come in the other day to my apartment to like, like flush a water valve. I don't know. But we have like, just. like a regular door lock, but all of the maintenance people have the key to that. So we added,

like a dead, not, what's that thing called on the top? Like a latch. Yeah, like a chain lock. Like a chain lock. But I was like so freaked out that anybody had just a fucking master key to my apartment. I hate that. I was like, jokes on you. We added another lock. And you know what, guys get simply safe because it makes the do do do. Exactly. So, but okay, so he broke into this girl's house and she goes to tell the police. Now she told the police and reporters that she had met. Thomas and invited him to her home actually on an occasion before this. But he got super weird and she like basically forced him to leave. Oh no.

He got weird in a sexual way. It's not totally like uncovered what he said or did. Yeah. But he, I guess, apologized a few days later, like for the initial thing. And they made amends. But then she woke up to him that night doing this over her. Nope. And like I said, she told him to get the fuck out.

No. she said she noticed later that he had cut open the screen to one window and almost completely removed the screen on another bedroom window. So this motherfucker came ready. Removed the screen to her bedroom window. That is so indicative of like the scariest pathology. And it's like when law enforcement doesn't see this and doesn't act properly with this shit ahead of time, this is the shit that happens. You ignore that kind of like indicators.

of a really scary pathology. A very dangerous human. And then look at the escalation that's happening here. Exactly. We went from... You could have stopped it. Sexual offense. Sexual offense. Sexual offense.

Probably... Like, I can't even... I don't even know how many are on this guy's rap sheet. Because some of them, like, the charges were dropped because we all know how sexual offense gets dealt with. And it's like, somebody... Fucking look at this shit. Yeah.

And it's like, yeah. You just got it. You got to nip it before it gets this bad. Exactly. Now, and here's the fucking kicker. here. This last offense happened just a few months before December of 2009.

So he would have, he got incarcerated again, but he posted Bond and was able to get out and do this to Sarah. The spoiler alert, obviously he's the one that took Sarah. So like the deranged animal he was, he's ready to pry on his next victim. Hello.

I hate that. I also, like I said, I want to point out that these are just the reported crimes and I can't imagine how many other young girls were assaulted by him. The Baltimore son also reported that on the same day his newborn daughter was being brought home because this guy's a father, quote unquote. Kidding me. On the same day his baby girl, his brand new baby girl was brought home.

He attacked a 13 year old girl. So clearly we're talking about a guy that will literally just stop at nothing to just wreak havoc on society. And you know, like it's just, it's so much. It is. I just want to like scream. It is. It's a lot.

Because also, like, the fact that he, first of all, the fact that he was having a child when he's clearly a child predator is so beyond my brain capacity. Unreal. But then on top of that, you have a baby girl. And she's being brought home. And that doesn't change anything about the way that you view. That alone shows you. Because that deep this sickness is in him. Like, it's crazy.

make him go away. Like, he needs to get away from society. But that didn't work for Thomas. That's not what happened for him. Now, we've been talking about, like, all these people that he's assaulted, and it kind of seems like these girls are at random. But I've been saying this person knew Sarah and had a fascination with her. So how did he know Sarah? How did he know Sarah? He had dated her aunt Amy.

Oh, fuck. Now, while dating Thomas, Amy did find out that he was a registered sex offender, and she confronted him. But somehow, he convinced her it was all of him. big mistake and that he hadn't actually done anything wrong. Okay. Little did Amy know there was no mistake because Thomas's own ex-wife knew that he was dangerous. She divorced him three years earlier and had a restraining order put out against him to not only protect herself but their daughter because she reported to the court that one night their daughter was like super, super sick. And for some reason, Thomas was pissed off that she was sick. And she said that after punching a wall,

he told her he was going to kill her. And that if she took any legal action against him, he would also kill her. Okay. So when you bring a person into a home with children, if it comes up that they're a sexual, you know, a rapist. Yeah. And they tell you, no, it's just a big of misunderstanding.

Go find out if it is a big misunderstanding. Do a little more research. You can find some stuff for yourself. Yeah. And it's like, Don't bring a rapist into a house with children. I think that's a pretty good thing to say. I'm sure someone's going to yell at me about that, but I think that's a pretty generalized good rule of thumb.

Because no matter what mistake somebody claims was made, if they're a registered sex offender, do not keep them in your life if you're around young children. Yeah, you just can't. Exactly. And that's just reality. And here's the deal. The ex-wife was actually granted the restraining order while he was out on. parole for sexual assault. Yeah, I mean, come on. Like, he's, he's a web of sexual assault. Hi, it's

really hard to get a fucking restraining order. So the fact that she was granted one goes to show this is a dangerous dude. It's true. He is. It's ridiculous. And it's, I mean, he's got, he's got plenty of rap sheet to back it up. Oh yeah. There was no mistake made at all. Because the first assault that landed him on the sex offender registry in general was a sexual assault made on a 12-year-old girl in 1997. Honestly, fuck this guy's like, Fuck this guy. So this girl had been with her friends at a haunted house where they met Thomas, who at the time was 18, and he was like volunteering on like the trail to like scare people. Now he spent the rest of the night hanging out with these girls.

12 year old. 18 and he's hanging out with 11 and 12 year old girls because some of them were 11. Now it kind of sounds like it was like a camping place or something because he spent the rest of the night with them there like playing cards. So I don't know if it was like a camp or something like that. but he stayed up with them and one of the girls was like specifically very shy and her friends were like oh it seems like he likes you like I don't I guess they were whatever but they went off and they like left their friend with Thomas and she's 12 I'm not going to go into detail because I don't even want to say in detail what he did to this girl but the girl was sexually assaulted

and her parents found out shortly after by reading her diary because she wrote about it in her diary. She was, like, completely traumatized. Now, he was sentenced to four years in prison for this. Four years. Okay. I'm sorry. So, like, so fucked. And yet again, he was out. Somebody goes to prison for, like, ever for, like, having, like, an ounce of weed on them. Right. And this guy raped a 12-year-olds. Right. And he's in prison for four years. That's fucked. Exactly. And I should say he didn't necessarily rape her. I just don't want anybody to get mad and say I said the wrong thing. But he sexually assaulted her. A 12-year-old. A 12-year-old. Like, come on.

Now, again, I said he was sentenced to four years out in a matter of months because the system was so fucked at the time. It's so fucked up. Now, that first offense that he pled guilty to happened just four days before Sarah was born. Isn't that crazy? Oh, my God. And I should point out the Baltimore son. That's where I found that. Oh, I hate that.

Which I was like, wow. Now, so we're back to present day. Police go out to Thomas's address just a few miles away from Sarah's house. house, a few miles, and they knock on the front door of the home. But it turns out that the home they were at was actually his parents' house. And do you want to know where he lived? I'm shocked. He lived in a shed on their property. Oh, like if you live in a shed, that's totally fine, but it's super chic. But this guy's shed was disgusting. And you know what? He's, he doesn't deserve a shed. He doesn't even deserve a shed. He doesn't even deserve a box. He doesn't deserve shelter.

So they had out toward the shed, the police, and they took him in for questioning. They later searched the shed and found it to be filled with pornographic material, like magazine and films. And all the investigators said that being there made their skin crawl. But even when they left, they still felt like so fucked up by being there. Like they were like, there was something like completely like just horrible about this place. Yeah. This guy's fucked. So Thomas was completely unemotional during his questioning. You can actually go see it on the Crime Watch Daily, the little video I mentioned, and I can post the link to it. But he was super un-emotional, super uncooperative. He told the detective, I've been dealing with this shit for the past 10 years. Oh, you've been

dealing with it. Exactly. I'm like, you poor fucking little baby. Oh, I literally wrote, oh, I'm sorry that you're a revolting vile man and people are angry about it. I'm so sorry that you traumatizing children all over the fucking town is something you're dealing with. Dealing with. How hard that must be for you. Oh, my God. Like, fuck off. Can we all line up? and punch this fucker in the face. Yeah, punch Thomas legs in the face. It's like punch Amira Hindley supporter. Punch a Thomas supporter.

Punch a Thomas legs in the face. Seriously. Punch all of them. So he said he tried to be, quote, very cautious with the girls. I don't be alone with them, so I can't make mistakes. You're disgusting. I don't be alone with them. You're disgusting.

He also provided an alibi for that night saying that he was at a bar with his friend until 1 a.m. that morning. So that statement might have been true. He very well could have been in a bar until 1 a.m. Leaves the entire rest of the night. Literally the entire night. You fucking idiot. And nobody, not even his own parents, could account for where he was between the hours of 1 and 7 a.m.

Oh, God. So where's your alibi for that time? Okay. Oh, God. Now, when the detective asked why Emma specifically would have said that he was in the bedroom that night, he said she basically called her a troublemaker and said she was always doing, quote, odd little things. Oh, that's six-year-old?

She's such a troublemaker. Oh my God. He's calling her a liar. A fucking six-year-olds. When you know what you did to her sister and you know that you were in that fucking room that night, you're going to call her a liar. And you know, and again, he knows he's traumatized even this six-year-old child who had to witness this entire thing and had to hold that shit in her fucking, that poor little girl.

He probably loves that though because it's like, it's assault adjacent. Yeah, he loves that he's able to keep this assault happening from afar. Exactly. Now, he also claimed that it had been a month since he had. had been to Amy's home. But like, that was super weird because the police went out there and they found the exact same tire marks that matched his tires in the snow. Oh, weird. Super weird that he had been there in the month. Yeah, it's so weird, this thing like forensics. Yeah, it's so crazy. Yeah. It's also super weird that once they got inside that 2003 Dodge pickup, Sarah's missing green

toothbrush was there next to a lollipop on the floorboards. I want to kill him. Yes. super weird that you haven't been there in a month. Fucking lollipop. You disgusting. Fucking troll. I know. That for some, for some reason, that, the lollipop, I was just like. That's the classic like, here's some candy. Oh, God. It's disgusting. Like the kid catcher and chitty, chitty, bang, bang. Like, he's that disgusting. So scary.

Predator. He's a, he's a fucking cliche, a parody of a predator. He is. Disgusting. Oh, my God. I'm so angry. No, it's so much. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. So obviously the police have their guy, but they still need to find Sarah because they're still holding on to hope that she's still alive because this fucker isn't telling them anything. They're not, they're thinking it's not promising, but everyone's super hopeful that they're going to get her home in time for Christmas. You have to hold on to some hope or else I don't know how you get through your day. So the county sheriff Mike Lewis said this was his most difficult case and his 35 years of law enforcement. Oh, I believe it. He said it did show like a different side of people though, because, people were coming out in massive numbers to find Sarah. And when she hadn't been found by Christmas, people gave up their Christmas celebrations just to search for her. Oh, I love that.

So her mom, Jennifer, told Crime Watch, it literally took my breath away. They didn't care that it was freezing. They didn't care that they had Christmas with their families. Now, the command post actually had to be relocated to a local baseball stadium because so many people were coming to help. It's like the worst side of humanity and the best side of humanity all in one. Over 300,000 people came to look for her. And actually, I'm not going to say this person's name because they didn't say whether

I should or not, but one of our listeners suggested this case and actually worked passing out waters to volunteers. Yeah, so she gave up her Christmas that day and searched for their family. And I think she was 10 at the time. Oh, my God, high five to you as an adult and you as a 10 year old. I know. So the police were able to use cell data from Thomas's phone to see if they could narrow down a search area, kind of like in the Sydney Loof case that we just did.

Cell phone pings, man. I fucking love a good cell phone ping. Thank goodness. We're all addicted to our cell phones. I know. And this was in 2009. So that was really cool. And they were able to triangulate a location based off of three towers that his cell phone had panged off of. So they searched all day long. And unfortunately, but also fortunately, right around 4 o'clock in the afternoon, they found Sarah's body. It's going to get, like I said, I already gave a trigger warning at the beginning of this, but I'm going to give a second one just because of the way that her body was found.

I'm not happy that I'm listening to this. I know. This is probably not for you. Okay. So, Mike Lewis described how her little body was found right on the Delaware, Maryland state line. It was found on Lily Lane, which is like a little road, and I guess it's like 60 feet into the woods, according to chilling crimes.

Quote, she was laying on her back with her little arms reached out to the sky to heaven. Her fist clenched. she had been kidnapped, raped, and choked. Thomas attempted to drown her in a mud puddle, but that did not work. And they found this out because mud and debris were later found in her lungs during an autopsy. Thomas left her there when that didn't work to go get gasoline, came back to burn the body. Allegedly, he thought that Sarah was already dead. But the autopsy later showed smoke inhalation, meaning that she was still alive when he lit her on.

fire. So she was breathing on her own fumes. Exactly. And DNA linked him to Sarah in a number of ways. Her pajama fibers that she was wearing that night were left on the passenger side of his truck. So he sat there and tried to say that he didn't do this. It's like, then why is her toothbrush found in your car? Why is a lollipop with her DNA found in your car? Why is pajama fibers that belong to her in your car? How are you going to explain that? Her Christmas pajamas. No, this is the most appalling. This is fucked up and disgusting. He was still wearing the same underwear when he was brought in for questioning, and Sarah's DNA was found in that underwear. The same underwear.

Put me in a fucking room with him. Seriously. And give me a chainsaw. Like, what? What a vile monster. An absolute monster. Now, the sheriff said, quote, if there was ever a case that screamed for the death penalty, it was this case. It was the brutal kidnapping and brutal.

murder and brutal destruction of this little girl's body that had screamed for the death penalty. 100%. This man deserved to die. Yes. You actually mentioned something to me because I told you a little bit about this. Normally, Elaine and I don't tell each other about the cases that we're going to do, but I wanted to make sure it was okay with her that I did this. Which I appreciate. No problem. But you mentioned something to me when I told you about how the body was out. Oh, yeah. Because her her arms were like up and fists, like stretched toward the sky. And you explained to me why that happens. Yeah, that's often referred to as like boxers pose. And it's how people know that like there was an attempt to light someone on fire. Because oftentimes when a body is lit on fire, your,

your hands will go into boxer's pose. It's just this like phenomenon that happens. Yeah. So as soon as I had like, you had told me like her hands were in it, I immediately was like, was she lit on fire. Yeah. And you were like, holy shit, she was. And it's like, that's what it is. It's called like boxer stance or boxer pose or something. I had never heard of. And researching this whole thing, I never saw that like mentioned once. Well, in the thought that she was partially drowned and then left alone. Yeah. Out there.

Yeah. Like, in whatever state she was is her. It's very reminiscent of the Polly class case. It is. Because you think of Polly, she was, I believe she was in the trunk at one point when, like, he was being detained, right? Yeah. It was like, it was just, there was a lot of weird. And this also reminds me, and it's a case we're going to be covering soon, actually.

Yeah. The Shanda Sherer. case where she was lit on fire and she was clearly alive because the same thing they found evidence of it in her lungs. And was she found in the boxer's pose? Do you know? I believe she was in like a fetal position. Okay. But I think her arms were curled up too because I think she was on her side like in a fetal position. But I think her hands were curled up like in the boxer pose. That's so it's weird like what your body does. In her Christmas pajamas. In her Christmas pajamas. This little baby in our Christmas pajamas.

Like two days, three days before Christmas. And is found on Christmas Day. Everybody doesn't agree with the death penalty, and that's totally fine. Oh, again, I am, we've always said we're in the middle, that it's a gray area. This to me, 100%. Yeah. 100%. Yeah.

So he was facing the death penalty, but yet again, he lucked out because he was granted a plea deal. Now, normally, I would be really pissed off about that, but I'll explain in a minute why it wasn't. It better be a good one. It is. Now, he received two consecutive life sentences without the possibility. of parole, one for first-degree murder, one for first-degree sexual offense, and then an additional 30 years for kidnapping, an additional 20 years for burglary. Okay. I believe the burglary, I don't know if that was Sarah's case. I think that might have, because remember, he got on a bond for

the case with the 24-year-old. I think that might have been applicable to that case. Oh, okay. Because I'm pretty sure he didn't steal anything other than Sarah from the house. But so, like, he got all lot of time, thank God, and like I said, no possibility for parole. So he'll be in there forever. Yes. And honestly, that's almost, that's almost better. Not because I think he's going to have to think about what he did, because he doesn't give a shit. No. Like, that's not one of those cases where it's like, you have to live with what you've done. Think about it. He doesn't work. We don't want him to think about it either. It's the fact that he can't do it. Exactly. That's the fact that makes me happy because that motherfucker needs to do it to survive. So it's somewhat comforting to me that

it's like killing him. You can't. That he can't. And as we all know, and I will get into that actually in a second, sexual offenders of like children do not do well in prison. No. Love that prison hierarchy. Now first, I want to explain why I'm like happy that the plea deal was brought into play. It was made so that Emma wouldn't have to testify in court. That I love. And I guess like to this day or at least to the day that the Crime Watch Daily was filmed, she hadn't said what was said in that room. Like she won't talk about what he was saying to Sarah. And that hurts me even more. Yeah.

Because it's like that poor little thing. Oh, yeah. Has that inside of her. Exactly. You know, that's a lot of, that's some heavy shit to hold on to. It's really heavy. I hope she's been able to like talk to someone. Get some kind of counseling.

Like a therapist about it, a psychiatrist about it, just to get it out. Yeah. Somebody who doesn't need to go anywhere else because he's in prison. Right. So it's like, but just get it out. Because that shit will live in your nervous system for like. I just don't want her to have to have. that that's it that's like a whole different kind of trauma yeah that's a whole different kind of assault

it is absolutely well it's literally like I said assault adjacent yeah so so that plea deal was made so she wouldn't have to testify in court and then they also didn't think that they were gonna really get the death penalty unfortunately because the governor at the time was actually working to get it like off the table abolished exactly and it's a hard thing to get because again it's I we've always said we can see both sides yeah it's easy to like passionately be like kill them because like Obviously, I want to kill them with my bare hands. Yeah. But there's obviously been other times where it's been a mistake.

Right. So it's a really hard thing to have like a-cudos to you if you have a full, like, concrete stance on it because I just waver so much. I do too. And for this one, I do like the penalty. I can get down, though, with this like life in prison without parole. Me too. Because also, I think this is somebody that has been shown by the legal system that he wasn't going to get much time. So you know, he was probably fucking shocked.

when they were like, oh, yeah, you're never getting out. You're never getting out. You're not even going to get a chance at a parole hearing. Like, this isn't one of those you're going to be on good behavior for a couple months and get out to do this again. Nope. And like I said, you're also not going to do well in jail. No. Now, Thomas Legs was attacked almost immediately. Good. By a fellow inmate, like I said, pretty quickly once he arrived in prison. He was slashed three times in the neck. Hands and head with a homemade weapon while he was eating in the dining hall. Get it. So the this motherfucker was just trying to eat up some oatmeal and he got good he got got he got he got none of his injuries unfortunately were too serious it's kind of awesome though it is just keep hurting them yeah it's fine just have at it that's honestly and you know that was just like welcome this is hello the beginning of what you're going to go through welcome to prison thomas so semgood did come out of this fucking nightmare. It really shook the system and people realized that there was a lot of work that needed to be done regarding how we handle sexual assault and sex offender cases. Because somehow

he just slipped through the cracks time and time again. And no one was seeing the escalation that was occurring. No. Because again, now I'm going to tell you one woman's story and she was actually encouraged not to even say in court that this guy was a sex offender. What the fuck? So this woman Patty Rothwell told the Baltimore son, I got a lot of information from this article, too. Quote, this little girl would be here today if the system hadn't failed in this case. Yeah. So Patty's daughter had been subjected to Thomas Legs when they lived next door to him. Their daughter and her friends one day were just like sitting on the porch and Thomas came up to her and just like, just started talking to her and all these like little girls on the porch. Do you know how old they were?

I did it not say. I believe they were. I don't. But either way. But the they were young. They were young. Yeah. Yeah. So the daughter and her friends, like I said, they're sitting on the porch and he walks up and he goes, quote, I've watched you playing in your yard and I can tell you're a wild one. Playing. I've watched you playing because you're a child. In your yard, because you are a child. Yep. And you're a wild one. That just sends like the icky icky's throat my whole entire body. Oh my God. I just want to take a bat. Well, he then grabbed something off the porch and hit the girl on the butt with it and then, quote, spanked her right. as he finished that creepy-ass statement.

So he's like saying it, and then he hits her on the butt with something and then slaps her butt. I honestly give this woman so much credit because after finding that out, oh, yeah. I would have literally murdered him with my bare hands. On my property, yes. Like I would have gone to his home and murdered him with my bare hands. Yeah. So Patty's daughter, like, runs inside to tell her mom what's going on.

And Patty realized that she had seen this guy before. She's like, he looks super familiar because when they moved there, she looked at like the sex offender registry like because you can see sex offenders in your neighborhood. Yeah. And that's where she recognized him from. So that event, the events of that day later went to court and he was found not guilty on all three counts that he was facing. And it was because Patty was encouraged not to mention during the trial that he was a sex offender. What? This is a sexual offense, sexual assault case. And you're not allowed to say that he's a sex offender? That's insane. Because people were worried that he wouldn't get a

fair trial. Oh, come. It's like, if anything, the trial isn't fair because you're withholding information about this person's character and what they're capable of. Come on. It's unreal. So the sex offender, like, seeing, being able to see it in your neighborhood is a very good tool when you're moving to a new neighborhood. Obviously, this is not a lot you can do about it, but it's like, it gives you the information. Well, and it can factor into if you're going to get that house or not. Knowledge is power. So it's just, you should know where they live. Seriously. Now, a county state's attorney said, quote, many sex offenders are masters of manipulation. They dress well, they're articulate, and the only witness is a minor. These are different kinds of cases and they should be handled differently. Yes. And at the time, they weren't. But after Sarah was murdered, 84 new bills were introduced by legislatures after. So Sarah's law was passed. Now, Sarah's law mandates all child sex offenders in Maryland to serve a minimum of 15 years with no possibility of parole. Good. requires lifetime parole supervision for offenders who have been convicted of sexual abuse to a child

younger than 12. Good. And life in prison is now the maximum penalty for offenders who commit certain categories of sex crimes against children younger than 13. Good. So a lot of good came from this horrific, excuse me, unfortunate nightmare. And in her name. And in Sarah's name.

Sarah's mom, I'm going to end this by a quote from her mom. She says, she's everywhere. I don't think anybody will forget it. about her. Oh, fuck. I know. And her grave, you know, the find a grave memorial thing. I went to look at it. And her grave is engraved with a photo of her. And it says, our Christmas angel never forgotten. Fuck. And you know, Christmas must be every single day, that's the anniversary that your 11-year-old baby was found. Was stolen from her bed in the middle of the night. Yep. From someone she knew. And then three days before Christmas. Three days. Honestly.

fucks me up. Oh my God. But I wanted to tell this case because I wanted to tell you you can live your life however you'd like, but don't leave a spare key. And don't let, if you do want to leave your spare key, you and like your partner should know where it is. And that's it. Yeah, that's it. Like, because why did he know that that was there? That's the thing. Why did he know? Unless I, maybe he was like just looking. Maybe he was just searching around. And sometimes people don't think of the fact that like under like a planter and shit is the first place people are going to Or like in your mailbox. Or like one of those fake rocks and shit.

Like don't, just don't do it. No. And honestly, get simply safe because it's awesome. Oh my God, got simply safe. Because you know what? If you open the door, even with a key and that alarm is on, you have to disarm that alarm before it. And you have like less than a minute.

Exactly. So that shit would have been like ding, ding, ding, and the whole house would have heard it. Exactly. I'm just saying. That's scary. I'm just saying, I like, that is one thing that I, a security system is. Oh, it makes you feel so at peace.

The comfort level it brings. rings is beyond. This is not an ad. It's really not. It's just like it's it honestly is like the only thing that really gives me peace of mind. One, it could prevent things like this. Yeah. I mean, it just can. It can scare away, you know, a number of people trying to get in your house that can scare them away. Of course, there's always going to be the, the bad ones that like go, but look at this case. This woman locked all the doors, locked all the windows, like, and said she was like, I do this every night. Like, I triple check. Like, I'm taking care of these kids. Sometimes it's not enough. But if there's like an alarm or something, at least it will inform you.

You know, at least it will wake the house up. Exactly. And it, in most cases, will alert the police to come to your house. So, holy shit. I know. Merry Christmas, everyone. Seriously. Oh, my.

So, yeah, I'm going to post some pictures of, she's like the cutest little thing. Oh, she's like a sweet baby angel. Like, so sweet. Like, that's taken right from Georgia from my favorite murders. most. A sweet baby angel. But that's truly what it encompasses exactly who she is. That phrase was created by her for like cases like this. And I obviously, I'm going to post pictures of Thomas because that's how the Instagram works. Oh my God. I'm not kidding you because I researched this like late one night, like into the night. I can't read these things at night. It's really hard. I ended up having

a lot of nightmares that night. I'm not even kidding. Stuff like this, I can't do it. Ever since we started this podcast, I don't talk about it a lot. But I don't talk about it a lot. I do get way more nightmares than I used to. Because it, it like, festers, you know? But he, obviously, they, like, put pictures throughout articles and just, like, passing through his face at, like, midnight, I was like, oh, my God, get off by computer screen. I fucking hate you.

Get the fuck out of here. So terrifying. I hope he is having a miserable existence. I hope every single one of his toenails isn't grown. And you know what? I hope he lives a very long life. Me too. 100%.

You know, stay healthy. And Thomas. This is probably not okay to say, but like, here I am. I literally hope that, like, the inmates make it the worst possible experience for him. Oh, no. Like, I hope they beat the shut off of him every single day. It's like, Jeffrey Dahmer. It's just like, well.

It just has to happen. Yeah. It's just sometimes the universe just takes over. And this is one of those things. Because at first, I was like, give him the death penalty. And now I'm like, actually, wait a second. No, it actually worked out. Yeah.

It actually worked out okay. Oh, so that was terrible. Disgusting human being. So, yeah. Wow. I don't really know how to transition to this, but you can follow us on Instagram at Morbid Podcast. Hit us up on Twitter. At a morbid podcast.

Send us a Jamal. Morbid Podcast at gmail.com. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it. Weird. I don't know. I just got really stressed out. That's okay.

Thank you for joining me. I liked the solidarity at the end of the episode. Did you see my eyes? I was like, bitch, what are you doing? Why are you saying it with me? That's okay. You needed, we needed to be together in that moment. I needed to hang on to you.

I got you. So, but not so weird that this happens. I don't want to do one right now. Too weird. All right, bye. Bye.