Morbid - The Horrific Murder of Marina Calabro with Jonathan Van Ness

Episode Date: March 20, 2023

Holy shit guys, we had a CELEB in the house today! Well not like in the house, but on the zoom. THE ONE, THE ONLY..... JVN *sound the alarm* We talk all things Bravo, True Crime and Olympics related. We also tell JVN a gnarly story out of Quincy MA since he's from Quincy IL. It was a grand time, so please enjoy!Go check out Getting Curious with Jonathan Van Ness anywhere you listen to podcasts and on Netflix!Thank you so much to David White for research excellenceReferencesCowperthwaite, Wheeler. 2022. "Quincy inheritance murder case on new Investigation Discovery show." Patriot Ledger, May 18.Difazio, Joe. 2021. "Man who plotted to kill his Quincy great-aunt for inheritance has been granted parole." Patriot Ledger, December 31.Ellement, John R. 2002. "DA: Woman, 84, Fought Killer." Boston Globe, October 29.—. 2006. "Former Norton Man Admits Role in Slaying of Aunt." Boston Globe, June 10.—. 2006. "Jury Hears Details of Bludgeoning ." Boston Globe, March 4.—. 2006. "Man Gets Life Sentence in Killing." Boston Globe, March 17.—. 2006. "Witness Tells of Grisly Murder." Boston Globe, March 10.Leiner, Gabriel. 2006. "First trial set in Quincy murder." Patriot Ledger, February 16.Linton, David. 2022. "Ex-Norton man granted parole for role in 2001 murder of his elderly great-aunt." Sun Chronicle, January 3.Quimby, Beth. 2002. "Friendship and Betrayal: Moments of terror for informant who says best friend' recounted Quincy murder." Patriot Ledger, November 2.Sack, Jessica Van. 2002. "Police Call Fatal 'Fall' a Killing; Kin Hed." Boston Globe, October 27. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And I'm him. And this is morbid. Morbidly awful. Quarantine zoom legs for the win. This is like cross the world's morbid. It's a coast-to-coast morbid.

Well, not the world. The country is what I meant to say. Truly. It's a, well, you're not wrong. Yeah. We're at least in the same country. Exactly. We all know that you've been trying to guess this week's guest, and some of you did guess this week's guest, which is really hard to say.

We have M Scholes on this week from, and that's why we drink. Woo! M! Yay, it's me! Thank you so much for coming. This is amazing. I know. Thank you for coming on, M.

We're, like, so excited to have you. Thank you for having me, first of all. Are you kidding me? Thank you for coming. I know. Oh, yeah. Well, I'm glad I slid into your DMs. I'm not going to lie to you.

I like almost. get my pants. This has been like a dream of mine for like two years, I'll say. Oh, well, thank you. I've been, uh, I'm not, I'll admit, I'm not caught all the way up. I'm probably on like 109 of your show, but I, damn, you are actually far in. That's pretty, that's pretty caught up, honestly. I really, I'm really liking it. So I, that's crazy to hear. I don't know. Just, I guess I wanted to say hi one day and then, and then, and then this happened. Isn't that how all great love stories start? Well, this worked out beautifully. Yeah, thank you.

I am. I don't know what to say. I am kind of a little star-struck, so I'm excited that I'm here. We are the star-struckest. Your star-struck, are you kidding me? I was like, excuse me? No, no, no. I really, I, you know, I listened to you because I know

Christine talked about you guys before, and I don't really listen to a lot of podcasts, and so there's few that I actually keep up with, but you guys have been my quarantine binge, so I'm a fresh, I'm like a new listener, but I'm catching up very quickly. We love that. We're honored. You guys are that for us. I feel like this is not real right now.

I'm like geek in a little bit. Oh, stop. I was looking at your guys's tour calendar. I think we're maybe are a rep by the same people or something because you seem to be hitting all the same places we're going to. We definitely are. Okay. Gotcha.

We noticed that too and we're like, oh, shit. Now we just don't know when we're hitting those same places. Exactly. Have you guys been to the Wilbur yet? Oh, the Wilbur. Our Wilbur show just got post-founded. That's a really good show. That was our big show last year because I was Boston's where Christine and I met.

I was at that show and I met you and Christine at that show. Did you really? Yeah. Why don't I remember that? I'm such an asshole. I'm sorry. No, I was like a little weirdo. I was like, hello.

Well, how two worlds collide, I suppose. I know. The Wilbur holds a special place in my heart. So my husband and I practically lived there while we were dating. We're huge comedy nerds and we used to go to shows like every weekend, sometimes on weekdays. Oh, nice. I'd never been before, but I knew that I wanted to go because I used to watch a lot of comics on TV. And I used to love like Kathy Griffin when I was a lot younger.

And so I know all of her shows were at the Willow Burns. So I was like, wow, I can't believe I'm right here. It was a very cool feeling. Seriously. To know how many amazing acts have performed up there, it's mind-blowing. I know. I feel like it's going to be so surreal. whatever we do I don't know. In the year 2021, perhaps. Whenever that's rescheduled for.

Absolutely. You know, well, at least we have time to add pyrotechnics or something rad that we always want to. We'll make it a great show. How are you guys doing quarantining? Pretty good. Yeah, I'm quarantined with small children. So. We were quarantined together a little bit. And then we just separated, what, like a month ago? I got to be honest. I don't envy you having to be with children during the quarantine. But I also commend you. You deserve an award. Well, thank you. Honestly, you do. It's been interesting for sure.

I will definitely. I've seen that shit firsthand. I know. I keep seeing our friends or I keep seeing articles that are like 50 titles to binge during quarantine or like boredom busters. And I'm like, what is adult television like and what is it like to be bored? Right. I don't remember.

I would love to know. Must be nice. Yeah. I call you and I like don't want to tell you about my day because I'm like, I did all these things. But no, I didn't. Never mind. Right.

I know. Ash is like, yeah, I watch. an entire season of such and such and woke up at 11 and I'm like, cool, I started my day at 5.30 and how are you going to out me like that? Well, I've been actively trying, I've been trying to like not fall into a cycle of waking up at dinner time. So I, if I wake up before 11, I call it a good day. That is a good day. I don't have many days where I wake up before 11, to be honest. Okay, me either. But like, I'm trying to make myself feel better. I also have been staying up until like 2.30 in the morning, so I feel like my body just needs that amount of sleep.

So I, first of all, I agree with you. And second of all, last night I was up until five in the morning doing notes for this show because... Oh my God. We're a damn professional. I thought that I had gotten all the information I needed. And then I decided to go down a YouTube spiral and I ended up finding like three times more information. So... That's exciting. I'm very excited. It's a very juicy story. I didn't realize how great it was going to be. Ooh, I'm excited. Yeah. You froze for a second on my end, but just you.

And I was like, oh, shit. Oh, shit. My internet just told me it was unstable. You're like me too, so it's fine. For real, instability rains. What isn't unstable about this? Honestly. We're like, just roll with it.

All right, I think I got this working now. So we should just do this like campfire style. And let's start with M. All right. So my story. is in a town called Sack Center, Minnesota. And I have never heard of this before. I found it on a whim. And it is the story of the Palmer House Hotel. Ooh. And I got to be honest, I have a lot of notes. So I'm going to try to not make this super long for you guys, but everything is wildly juicy. I like there's nothing I could get rid of. No, don't get rid of it. Don't edit. No way. No brevity here. We love it. Okay.

Good. So we start our journey back in 1858, as you do. The best year. I know. I remember it fondly. And so the original house on this foundation was built by Warren Adley, and it was purchased later by E.P. Barnum, and it was called the Barnum Hotel originally. But it later became the Sack Center House. It later became called the Sack Center House, and then it became the Minnesota House for a little bit. at this time period between the 1850s to 1900 it was mainly regardless of its name or ownership it was

a brothel and a saloon um and we love the saucy underground places so saucy and in uh 1900 the hotel was actually set on fire and they still don't know the cause they know it came from the kitchen but that's about it um and it burned down and nobody died but um you would think the town was like really devastated about this but they were actually relieved that this quote i saw of the town was gone and it wasn't drawing in unsavory people um savory people are the best kind of people in my humble i know you know listen i i think it wasn't drawn in weirdos i don't know if i want to meet a savory person absolutely not i have no room for not interested in none firm pass um and so the city didn't want to pay for a new hotel considering that it was such a

I don't know, a wreck before on the city, at least, that they were bringing all these people in who endorsed brothels and saloons. And so they refused to fund a new hotel being built on top of it. But the SACC City Herald, or the Sack Center Herald offered $5,000 to someone who was willing to build it on their own. And so only a year later, a couple named Ralph and Christina Palmer, they ended up buying the property and built a three-story hotel and named it the Palmer House. Their original hotel had 38 rooms and a communal bathroom, one communal bathroom for 38 different rooms. Nope, I'm out. Not into that at all.

Another pro path. In that way, this story is also a true crime. Truly one of the worst kind of crime. So I don't know. So there were different stories that told me when it officially opened, but it was sometime in late September or early October, or late September, early October. So I guess that makes her a Libra, regardless. Yes, straight spooky Libra season. All around.

But it was 1901 that it officially opened. And it had a bar and a restaurant for guests. And it was also one of the first places in Minnesota to have electricity and indoor plumbing. This place was wild. You know, we love a good working toilet. Spooky season with indoor plumbing. Libra season, I'm telling you. And so this made even the locals want to hang out.

just because, you know, there was indoor plumbing. They were like, I got to check that out. They were like, what, a saucy, unsavory place with a working toilet? I'm in. I'm telling you. Oh, I recently got a bidet while we're on the topic of toilets. Oh, jealous. Shut up.

I want that fancy shit. Interesting experience. Me and my grandma have always wanted to get one in our house. We lucked out because we got it right before the, like, the quarantine hit. And so when everyone was freaking out about toilet paper, we were like, I think we're covered. Like, I have a fountain of water that will never run out, honey. I'm good.

I was like, toilet paper, don't know her. We're good. That's amazing. It's been interesting. Like, the first couple times, like, me or my girlfriend, we would, like, use the bathroom. And if you weren't in there, you could hear the other one kind of like, scream a little bit. Just go like, ah! You're so not used to it yet.

You're like, oh, shit. I'm not used to things touching my butt. So, um. I imagine. It's like a learning curve that no one's truly prepared for. So I can imagine that's a very shocking experience. And also, well, it's got like a pressure valve so you can decide the pressure. And we didn't know that at first.

We just turned the knob on and it just was like super soaker. Set to power wash mode. You're like, ouch, ouch, that actually hurts. It's like, who loves this? And then it ended up being fine. It's funny because it feels like you would have to sit there and fiddle with the levels to really find your best. power wash level. What an experiment. There wasn't too much warning on my end. It was just,

you know, do it to it. So, um, just trial by fire. Right. It definitely is something you should do in the mornings. It'll get your, get you ready for the day. Wide awake. Who needs coffee? Stay alert. Yeah. So in 1916, the hotel began to switch hands pretty often and each new owner was making their own different improvements. Um, they were going through a lot of different renovations. And also during the prohibition, they started selling liquor in the basement through these underground tunnels that were, so they could bring alcohol in illegally. And so it kind of became a saloon again. And then in 1982, we're really time traveling now. Just gunning it to 88.

In 1982, it got listed on the National Register of Historic Places. And in the 90s, it got this really wild remodeling done. So pretty much how it looks now is. thanks to the 90s. It has 19 rooms, including four suites. No badees, but everything beyond that. Come on, give the people what they want. No badees.

I don't know if I'm there. The ghosts are there to scare you instead of the bidet. There you go. They might be less scary. So in 2002, a couple named Kelly and Brett Fries, they bought the building, and they're still the owners today, and when they first got it, they had no idea that this building was haunted. and they learned pretty quickly because since they had just bought in it and wanted to do a quick little

some maintenance and things like that there Kelly's dad moved in to I guess help with some of the maintenance and he lived there for three or four years before three or four months sorry before they opened the hotel I was like holy shit three or four years what kind of maintenance takes three to four years he was taking advantage they were really they were really doing a lot they were making the most, yeah. And so he started staying there and he was by himself and he asked Kelly one day, have you guys started renting out rooms already? I didn't know that. And she was like, no, we haven't rented anything out. You're alone. And he was like, oh, well, I'm hearing people all the time walking around in this hotel and they're upstairs, they're pacing, they're like jumping on

the bed. I hear knocks all the time. And- Oh my God. So for some reason he kept staying there. And- He's like, you know what, this is probably fine. I'll just stay for a little, like, you know, four years or so. He basically kept telling her all these different reports, and I guess the longer they were there, the more activity happened and the more intense it got. Ghosts really don't love renovations. They don't. They hate renovations.

Don't mess with their blueprint. And so, which you'll learn about a little bit later. So, yeah, there's so much to cover. This is truly such a banana story. I am okay sorry I'm gonna get like all hyped up um hype to the fullest because this shit is already getting good no I'm so stoked for this I'm already like what happened yeah we don't temper our enthusiasm ever

it was like four in the morning and I was like I don't need any more information and then I was like but I should watch these other 10 videos and then I got all into it all over again so um so anyway she started finding out that there was more activity going on and she was like, what do I do? Like, this is going to kill my business if this place is this haunted. And she was like, well, I can't deny that it's haunted because people are definitely going to complain about this.

So I better just own it. And so she went into this kind of just saying, like, here's a haunted hotel. And she started posting people's guest experiences on their website and things like that. And it ended up helping her business instead of killing it because now people end up being in a haunted hotel. Hell yeah. Lean into the spoof. I was going to say, I would want to go more if it was haunted.

Whenever we're touring, Christine and I do look into the haunted hotels and see if there's anything around. Especially, we got to start doing that lady. When we went to New Orleans, that was a wild time. It was like, pick your own adventure because it's like, oh, I'm sure. Which hotel do you want? That's one of my bucket list places. New Orleans was one of the loudest shows we ever had.

It was really fun. I believe it. It was really good. Let's see. Aye, aye, aye, aye. So many things. Okay. So they've now officially announced that this is a haunted hotel.

only like a couple years in they start hosting paranormal seminars at this hotel and uh they even have like tv personalities and radio hosts coming in to like host these things um before i get into the ghosts i do want to i have a couple fun facts in a row for you we love a fun fact here for it he'd and unfun fact love a fun fact so the first one they actually like build on each other so the first fun fact is that uh sack center is apparently actually the boyhood home of the writer sinclair Lewis. Oh, cool. Um, and so he wrote this novel in 1920 called Main Street. And apparently in that novel, he wrote about this house called the mini-mashy house. So, like his most famous work is about Main Street. And in his most famous work, he talks about this mini-mashy house. And that house was

inspired by the Palmer Hotel. Oh, that's cool. So fun fact, if you read that book, he's talking about the Palmer Hotel. And he mentioned it, um, because like we're, it was his. It was his inspiration because he actually worked there in the summers when he was a teenager and he got fired because he was spending so much time working on his writing and not working on his actual job at the hotel fucking writers but right well it turned out to help well here's a cool thing though is apparently in the in the basement there's like a little off shoot room that he used to like get away and write while he should have been working and some of his original this is a rumor I'm not sure of this but apparently some of his like poems first drafts are written on the walls.

Oh, no way. That rules. I want to see that so bad. Yes, but to do that, you have to get into the basement, which we're about to talk about. Yeah, that's a real Sophie's choice. Also, so apparently there's no known deaths on the site, or at least up until I watched a little show called Dead Files, which we'll get to. but apparently there were uh there's no official deaths that were on the site there was one little boy that died from the flu in the early 1900s and then because it's a hotel there is always the

suggested potential for suicides um but other than that they don't have really any recorded death so a lot of these spirits just kind of show up out of nowhere just staying there while on vacate passing through just passing through and that's what the owner says so kelly i'm going to mention her a lot the owner of this hotel. She says that she thinks it's just residual energy and maybe this is where a lot of people had some of their best moments and so they pop in to say hello every now and then. Aw. I love that. It's precious. I love a nice spiritual moment. If that's like the haunted house you have to be in, I prefer it's the place where everyone loves being there. Yeah, honestly. So some of the things, some of the many, many things that people experience here are disembodied voices,

the voices of children. Fuck. I know. I hate misplaced children's voices. See, we went from yes to no really quickly. Real quick. My Uber arrived real quick. This is a real emotional roller coaster.

You're taking us on him. So, children's voices, apparently people hear their name being called when they're alone. They feel drastic temperature shifts. We're talking, like, from 60s all the way to down, like, negative. Like, in within 20 minutes. There's just like drastic temperature changes for no reason. The doors will slam open and shut. You'll feel really heavy or feel really sad in certain areas.

People will hear the sounds of a kid bouncing a ball. That's probably one of the most common sounds is hearing a child playing with a ball down the halls. You'll hear running down the halls. For some reason, hearing a child bouncing a ball is like a nightmare to me. Not like a real child, but like a ghost child. Oh, well, just wait like five minutes. You'll disagree with yourself. I was going to say, I feel like we're going to get even worse.

Remember when that was the nicest, worst thing that you've ever heard? We're going to be wishing for the creepy kid. I'm like, but wait, there's more. So the ball's made of fire. The ball is actually a severed head every time. He's bowling with a skull? I don't know. I'm trying to make this really dark.

So there, let's see. La la la, la, I lost my spot. Oh, okay. So you hear running down the hallways. there's knocking that comes from the walls. Apparently there are sinks that turn on and off by themselves. The toilets will flush by themselves. The furniture will move at all hours of the day.

And like heavy furniture, like, people will complain and be like, why did you put the TV in a part of the room where there's no outlet? And they're like, we didn't do that. The TV just, TV just moved. The, there are items that go missing. Apparently, they appear later in weird places. So, like, you'll lose your phone and then you'll find it, like, the toilet or you'll lose your wallet and it's under the bed like it's a lot of weird stuff

will just go missing and then either reappear or never show itself again apparently a lot they must hate the TVs there because there's also reports of people just losing remote controls and never finding them I was just going to say they're not down with the technology they're like you've been binging way too much Netflix like you guys need to have some face-to-face connecting time let's you guys go outside please go outside breathe some clean oxygen And there's apparently a lot of poltergeist activity in the bar, including electrical disturbances. There's a man in vintage clothing that stands at the foot of your bed. How do you feel about that one?

Nope, not here for it. Better than the ball or worse than the ball? I don't hate it. I mean, I want to know what the guy in vintage clothing looks like. I had sleep paralysis anyway. It's fine. I mean, the vintage look can be a good look. And if he's just chilling.

How stylish are we talking here? So apparently also people feel someone lying on top of them in bed. Nope, not into that. Could be the same person who knows. This is probably the scariest one to me is that there's, so they have all this Christmas, all these Christmas decorations including this big electronic snowman. And when they're not using it, they keep it in the basement. And when it's in the basement, it's unplugged and yet it still turns on in dances for you.

Well, they're just putting on a show. I love that. I'm here for that. I'm still taking the vintage guy at the foot of the bed. No way, Frosty. Are you shitting me? over Frosty the Hoppy, Jonty Snowman? Apparently, so there are other times, too, where when it's actually on display,

someone will forget to plug it in and it'll still play. No one will know that it hasn't been plugged in for days. That just kind of makes me uncomfortable. Well, that's just helpful. It's 50% useful, I agree with you. Yeah. This is kind of bananas, speaking of the basement. So there's a strange, truly a random stranger, went up to Kelly, the owner one day,

and said, I had this really weird dream. I feel compelled to tell you about this, but there was a guy that just showed up in my dream and said, like, now is the time for people to know about this. There's a body under the stairs. Oh, no. Really buried the league. I just got chills. Jesus.

Keep your dreams to yourself. And basically, right. It's like, I don't want to hear about that. Baby, that sounds like a confession. The, well, apparently she felt so compelled to tell Kelly that Kelly believed her since so many weird things have happened in this hotel. She was like, I guess I'm. I'll listen to your lead and went down under the stairs in the basement,

started digging with one of the spoons from the kitchen and found a bunch of bones in the basement. What a jackpot this is. So I guess we'll never see that writing then. Not going there. I want to go more now. And, well, also, apparently here's even weirder as she left them down there until she could figure out what to do with them.

And then she went back down to grab them to like bring them to report them or something like that. And they were all of a sudden gone. No. They just left. They just are no longer there. Frosty hid them. It was Frosty's bones.

I knew he had some. The bones split because of the snowman. There it is. See, I told you, at least vintage gentlemen should have bones. I think I just swayed. That's terrifying. Right. We'll always have him at the end.

He is our tether. So also in the basement, apparently there's one spirit named Hank, and he did some maintenance when he was alive down there. Apparently, he is very nice, but sometimes you'll hear knocking from him. but other people will also experience that really awful feeling of like thinking you have a spider web on your face, but there's no spider web. They'll just- I hate that feeling.

So now like spiders haunt you also- as if their living forms aren't bad enough. Oh shit, this place is rough. One cool thing that happened in the basement to Kelly was that one time she saw what she claims, a million little fireflies in every color you can imagine like pulsing light in and out and then just disappeared. Ooh, I like that. That's really cool. It's like a spirit rave.

That's what, okay, I didn't have a word for it, but that's what I was trying to call it, like some sort of like random crazy, like head banging concert. Yeah. A spirit and EM concert. Well, that was weird. That's what it is. It's like day glow, but with ghosts. People have also found a lot of small wet footprints down there as if someone like is walking around out of a puddles.

Which could be a spirit named Raymond, which I'll get to later. but he's always apparently the basement you've always feel something really dark and heavy down there and one time while with a group kelly actually saw this massive shadow in the doorway the entire room goes pitch black and all you can see is the shadow of this wolf with red eyes what and then the lights came back on it's like the bad creature from the never-ending story like in my god yes it's also like that thing Lucifer, I think. One and the same.

So apparently there's a demon down there. It's a deep... What was the character's name from Neverending Story? Shit, it's like Gmork or like something like that. I know everyone's screaming it right now. I'm sorry. It's like his evil twin brother or something. So

apparently during this during one investigation, people were talking about the snowmen and the electronic snowmen. and the electronic snowman and said, I don't think it works anymore. And then they got two EVPs on the recorder that they heard back later.

They got two voices saying, it works, it does. Evps fuck me up, man. That shit always gets me. Same. So that is where all of a sudden I decided to start checking out YouTube because I got some really good stuff here.

So apparently people have seen apparitions including one sitting at a piano. A few of them are on the stairs or at the foot of the bed. and all of them look incredibly real to people. Like, you don't know that you're talking to a ghost until later you find out that someone was not standing next to you. So the most common one is this little boy with blonde hair. And kids see him a lot in the hallways.

They also, like, bouncing a ball. And he's usually standing on the steps. A lot of kids will go home later and tell their parents, like, I had so much fun there playing with that little boy. And then the parents will be like, what are you talking about? I truly never want to have that experience with my children. Oh my God. Kids are so fucking scary. Well, apparently he's not the only child there.

There's multiple children that will run up and down the halls. And so the little boy and like all the children that run up and down the hall, Kelly says that her biggest complaint is that guests will later say, I had a great time, but like someone was letting their kids run up and down the hall all night. Like we couldn't get to sleep. And there's, and then they have to be told like you were the only people in the hotel tonight. Oh, chilly, Willie. So apparently it's gotten to a point.

There was one interview that made me laugh where Kelly was like, I'm hanging out downstairs in the middle of the night. I'm like trying to like catch a nap when everyone's upstairs. And like all of a sudden hear all these crazy, loud, bashing, clanging sounds. And I just hope that I'm the only one who can hear these and they're not real because someone is going to complain. And then I'm going to have to leave my cozy couch and I'm going to have to go upstairs and like look around. And I already know there's nothing there. So I just hope that no one calls and complains.

It'd be like, yeah, I hear you, but I am not trained in spirit wrangling. I just be like, the place is haunted. You know that. Let's go with it. Do me a solid and just check out the hall for me because I promise no one's there. Can't we all just collectively know it's haunted and move forward? Let's live with it, accept it, enjoy your stay. To the best of your ability.

So apparently the little boy that all the kids see, apparently his name is Carlisle. Oh, I kind of love that. There are pictures that adults have taken of him, either, like, lying flat on the stairs, peeking over the railing, or, like, leaning over the railing, like, a little kid. And I guess Carlisle, he used to be the plumber's son, and the plumber used to live there with Carlisle. So Carlyle lived there when he was a little kid. And he lived a full life to adulthood. So it's interesting that his spirit is him as a little kid here.

So that might have been, like, his favorite time and place that he comes back to. That's interesting. Yeah. And well, they didn't know that his name was even Carlisle or who he was until Carlisle's two granddaughters came to visit the hotel one day. And they were saying, oh, yeah, my grandpa used to live here as a little kid. He used to always get in trouble, like, bugging people in the lobby because he was always bouncing that ball. Oh, my God. And then people would be like, and people were like, what are you talking about?

Yep, that's Carlisle all right. That sounds like big C right there. And apparently he would always. get in trouble for bothering the people in the lobby and so he'd get sent upstairs and he'd always lean over the side of the stairs waiting until he could come back down and that's where people see him. You know, that's cute and youthful, but like I hate it. It's precious to a point where I... Right?

I almost don't want to interact with it, but I kind of do. Right. I'm riding that fence. You want to see it, but then you want to be like, hey, bye. So apparently, there's also a chair in the hallway where when people sit on it, they feel like someone is watching them whenever they're in that chair. And so the original Palmers who live there, their mother actually also stayed there for a while

and she is seen in this red dress. And what's interesting is there's actually a portrait of her in the hotel wearing the same dress. So people will not know that they saw an apparition and so they look at the picture and they're like, I just saw that woman and then you find out that she's been dead forever. And so there was one. one day where that portrait lifted itself off the nail and came crashing down to the ground.

Oh my God. And they just don't keep that portrait up anymore. They just assumed that was her way of saying, I don't want this picture of me anymore. And so they leave it in. Not into this pick. Not into it. This is not my angle. I don't look good in this.

I'm not into it. Take it down. It's like the OG version of untagging the photo. Don't like this angle untag. Just destroying the portrait. Yes. Exactly. Rip it down.

And so apparently people have seen her. They've also seen like a, they've seen her standing on the landing on the stairs as well as a bride who will like look out into the lobby and then turn around and walk back up the stairs and she's really sad. So I guess they assume she got rejected on her wedding day. There's always a sad bride. You hate a sad bride. We feel for her.

But I've covered so many goddamn stories about brides and hotels that it doesn't even faze me anymore. I feel like I've heard a lot. of those. Every time I do a hotel story, I'm like, I will bet myself $10 million that there's going to be a goddamn bride in the story. There always is. There always is. You like wait for it. I would love to find a hotel where a bride hasn't been jilted, you know? Right. Just once I want a story where there's a dead bride that's walking around like, fuck yeah, it's my wedding day, bitches. That's actually better. Yeah. Just a happy wedding. She's like in the middle of tossing the

bouquet down the staircase. A bouquet just hits you in the head. Nailed it. You know she's around because single lady starts blasting out of nowhere. Okay. You're onto something. Wait a minute. We're really on to something here. You should do that in the afterlife, Alina, at your wedding venue. You just go back

and haunt it, but in the best way. Maybe I will. Apparently, there's another apparition of someone wearing a red head wrap, and Kelly's seen her a few times and actually spoke to her one time and watched her vanish. And, like, later was looking back through pictures and realized that she was the Palmer's daughter. Oh, that's cool. And so she also haunts the place. And then now we're just going to get into

like the main rooms. So room 11 is the most active. That's where a girl named Annie lives. She apparently, hey-o. Annie, you're involved in the story. Make sure Annie knows exactly what's going on over here because Annie likes to rub your back when you're sleeping. Okay, great. So far. apparently Annie always likes when the room is super duper cold. Yep, uh-huh. Okay, we're there. We're doing it so far. Apparently in room 11, if you ever get booked into that room, they'll ask you in advance

if you're allergic to cats because there's a ghost cat in room 11 that will, you'll hear purring and meowing throughout the night, and you'll feel something jump onto the bed and walk around on the covers. I actually hate that a lot. I'm also, but I'm allergic to cats. cat, so I'm not into that. It would be, again, precious until I screened. Yeah, I don't like a couple distance.

There's a fine line. Like, how long, how close is that cat going to get to me? Well, because if something jumps on your bed, I'm out. I, um, what was I going to say? Oh, so apparently, this is also the room where there's psychics that are always mentioned. Like, they, like, psychics always mention Annie, but nobody has a real origin story. Um, there's a rumor that she was sleeping with someone who was married and got pregnant and then he stayed with his wife and left her pregnant. That's the story. I refuse to

accept anything else. Oh, that's really sad. It's, well, people suggest that that's probably real because they also hear a lot of, they hear a lot of sounds of women crying in that room. Oh. So it might, might be her, but I only got that reference from one source, so I'm not too sure how accurate that is. But, um, so room 11 is the most active. And then in room 12, there's a maid. that apparently sits in a chair and hangs out there. Her name's Jacqueline. And in room 17, there is a former sex worker named Lucy that lives there. There's two chairs in this hotel room, and Lucy likes to sit in the chair closest to the bathroom,

and she hates when men are in her room. Good for her. Don't blame her. She's like all the single ladies. Bye. So apparently she, I guess if she hates when men are in the room, but she especially hates it when people are taking up both of the chairs. You always have to have one chair open for her because if there are two men in the room sitting in those chairs, it's implied that she doesn't get a chair. She has to be on the bed, which as a sex worker at that time, it's a really strong implication.

So she does she does not like that. She likes always having a chair to her. And she will let you know if you're too close to the chair. If you ask her questions during an investigation, if you're like, am I too close? She'll be like, hell yeah, move. Get it. I love Lucy. Back the fuck up.

I love Lucy too. We stand Lucy. She knows what she wants and she's assertive as fuck. She's a bad bitch. She's a bad bitch. She's like, I'll take your money, but also get the fuck away from me. And get out of my damn chair. What a power move.

She also, she's really, really, really good at changing the temperature intelligently, meaning if you ask her, hey, can you change the temperature? Within a couple minutes, the temperature will drop 30 degrees. So she's a thermostat, too? Like a Renaissance woman. And she's a meteorologist? She actually, she was the one who got the temperature from 65 to negative one one time in a span of 20 minutes. That's insane.

And there's a lot of people who stay in her room who say that they wake up in the middle of the night and they can see their breath. And even like in the middle of the summer, people will go out into the hall and stand out there to get warm because it's so cold and no heating helps. I need to go out there and get ruined. I know. Can we all take a trip once Corona's over? Yeah, a thousand percent. We can live stream the event. Yes.

Yes. Yes. Yes. All we'll do is just sit there and treat Lucy like a goddamn queen. We'll be like, you fucking get you. fucking get yours. We will just spend the entire evening worshipping at the altar of Lucy. Leave her presents.

Well, so this is really fucked up, and I only got this from one source, and I don't know if this is true, but apparently someone has seen Lucy, and she's not looking hot. So apparently she was seen in her chair smoking a cigarette. This is a quote. She was seen, quote, sitting in a chair, smoking a cigarette with the left side of her face beaten up, but the right side of her head hanging off. Oh, Lucy. Like, scalp over, scalp overhanging her skull.

Oh, no, no wonder she's pissed. Well, that's why she's pissed off. What the fuck away from her? Damn, she's like, let me sit my ass down and have some peace with this sick. She's like, the least, the least I can have is this fucking chair. You know, she gives me, um, who was, is her name Sally an American horror story? Yep, Sally. She gives me those vibes.

Yeah. Oh, actually, sure. Let's do with that. Let's go with that. Okay. I'm vibing with that. Okay. So I mentioned Raymond earlier, who's the one that leaves wet footprints everywhere. Apparently, um, soggy Raymond.

Soggy Raymond. We all know him. He's super territorial of the room that he's in, which is room 22. And he likes to play with anything water-based. So he likes to mess with faucets and turn the sinks and showers on. He likes to leave puddles in random areas where there's no water source. He leaves wet footprints everywhere. He also has people, when people are in his room, they feel like pressure in their head. Sometimes they get headaches.

And also, this isn't based on Raymond, but in the bar, a lot of times dishes and glasses used to get smashed or they would slide off the tables by themselves. So at that point, Kelly was like, the activity is getting a little too strong, like things are literally just moving around. I think at one point her friend or her husband even. saw one of the bottles full of alcohol literally just explode at the bar. Oh my God. That's a classic. So she was like, things are getting too wild. And a psychic told her, you still have the power.

You can still tell them no. Tell them to stop that. And so she did. And the glasses stopped being messed with. But she was in Raymond's room one day folding towels. And she felt this really dark energy behind her. And she started feeling like she was being choked. And so ever since then, she has.

decided that Raymond is probably like the grumpy gills of the hotel. Apparently for sure. So those are all the rooms. But now all I have for you are a couple stories of like quick stories from the guest experiences. You can find all these stories on the actual Palmer Hotel website. I'm pretty sure it's like Palmer Hotel slash guest experiences or something. But so one person named Tracy says that Tracy went there. for their birthday and decided to bring a digital recorder to get EVPs, and the only EVP they got was a female voicing, happy birthday. Fun!

Oh, my God. Yikes. Tracy's like, cool, thanks. Bye. It's, I, it's eerie. I don't know if I love it or hate it. I can't decide. It's total. Yeah, I feel like I'd have to hear it. I need to hear tone. That's true, because it could be like, happy fucking birthday. Happy birthday, bitch.

HBD. Um, someone else, Greg and Laurel both heard fuds on the stairs, and then they saw, quote, a twisted, broken shape of an old man with a snapped cane who disappeared.

No, thank you. No thanks. Um, Jessica Rose, Jessica Rose and Daryl say, uh, that they woke up being slapped on their legs,

just like, like, like, wake up, it's time. And, what the fuck? Just some light,

leg slapping. Just some knee slapping, you know. And then they saw something move by their, they saw something move by their faces. And then all of a sudden the bathroom floor had puddles everywhere. And they felt cold air around them. Raymond was just taking a bath. Raymond was like, hey, watch this. And smacking on their leg.

Look what I can do. Slapping people's legs is another power move. So there's one person that goes by K.E.J. who said that they heard loud clomping down the hall torporing. down the hall towards their room, the clomping went through the door into their room and reached the foot of their bed and then their bed shook. I'm out. Oh, shaking beds. I don't know why, but that fucks me up. That actually happened to me in an apartment that I used to live in and my bed would always shake at night. I don't like that. Hated it. It's because your your bed feels like a

sanctuary. You're like, yeah, don't touch my bed. It's very violating. It's very awful. It's the clomping, too. Like, anything that clomps is something I want to. Yeah. I want to. be as far away from immediately. I do not want that. Well, because no matter what, no matter what, it's hooved. So it's either a horse or a demon. Exactly. Or both. Or a horse demon. Nothing hoved should be coming at me or for me at any point in my life. Get up out of my room with the, with the hooves. Whatever that shit is, it needs to vacate my own. So there's one story that I really like the most on this website. And it's from Jeannie, who was a night clerk at the time. And, uh, This is, I'm just going to read, first of all, I'm going to read it verbatim, but I also, like, definitely deleted a lot of sentences in between.

So this is kind of verbatim paraphrasing. That's fine. That makes sense. This was much longer, and I didn't want to read the whole thing, but this is kind of long, sorry. So Jeannie says, well, the micro, not the microwave, the motorcycle had something to say first. These microphones are crazy outside. Oh, I just fucked up, too. I said microphones.

You know, microwaves blasted down the street at this hour. So GD says lobby lamps would go on without explanation. I eventually unplugged one particular lamp because it was so creepy. And also the faucet and the waitress station would turn on occasionally, but only run for a minute and then go off. The silverware moved so often that eventually I gave up even trying to straighten it until before I left. And then there was this bartender where after the, oh, sorry, I skipped a sentence. And then there was the cold.

After the first two nights, I learned to bring a sweatshirt and pants, and it got so cold I could almost see my breath. One night, the bartender left, and I went to vacuum the pub, and I saw a young man standing at the bar. He was a nice enough looking guy in his mid-20s, and he asked if he could get a beer. He gave me a $10 bill, and I said, oh, I don't have access to any change. He checked his pockets and came up with five quarters, and I said that that beer happened to be on sale for $125. So he gave me the quarters, thanked me, and headed up the stairs. clearly this guy was just a hotel guest but the next day she learned that nobody there nobody was actually there that night nobody had checked in nobody checked out nobody had stayed and

the beer glass was never found that's so spooky so I gave a ghost grief about change awesome so a lot of things a lot of layers and you transferred funds like you had a transaction but also like in her so it's it's it's a shorter version of this story but like in her long version like she was even like having like back and forth with him he was like oh what kind of beer should I get and she was like this one's my favorite and he was like oh that's fine and then like she grabbed the money from him like they exchanged like they touched maybe they touched you have changed from beyond now you have ghost DNA on you yeah so anyway that was a lot you would expect him to be like really cold or something yeah you would think you would notice something like that and she said in her story too that like

even though it was the summer and in the 90s and the owner says to keep the fireplace closed off there was like a blazing fire that night interesting he was trying to set the mood for sure oh yeah he was putting on the old school moves i respect it uh he was like let me get you a drink what's your favorite so i i only have left um this one section where i know this is super long i'm so sorry, but, um... No, don't be sorry. This is awesome. So, I'm here for this. There was, um, uh, different YouTube channels that I watched that were, um, different investigations and evidence that was found. And so some of it was really good and I never even heard of any of it in the

research that I found. So I, anything that I just said, I was able to find in my reading, but this is what I found on YouTube that was totally separate. And I'll, I'll try to give them shout out so you guys can watch them on your own. Um, But there was one group called Search for Spirits for being a number, like a AIM username. And so they caught a chair moving on its own, which is on camera. They caught a chair moving on its own when the investigator asked a spirit to sit down. They asked, we would like to know how many of you there are. And this was during a spirit box session.

Do you guys know what a spirit box is? Oh, yeah. They had one at the Lizzie Borden house. It was crazy. Oh, cool. Wild. Okay, cool. I just didn't want to jump in and like assume. Basically, it's speaking in real time to spirits. You can hear their voices, shout out actual phrases to you.

So they said, we'd like a number of how many of you are here. And the spirit box said, one. Then they said, if you're tired of us talking, can you say either done or leave or give us a sign that you don't want us here anymore? And the spirit box said, done. You asked, I'm done. Time's up, interlopers. Like, GTFO. And also, like, clear as day. Like, it's like, they're, you don't have to wonder what's going on anymore.

No minxing words here. Right. Someone asked if the spirit could kick the ball, because they were trying to talk to Carlisle. And the ball rolled by itself, and when they asked, can you move the ball? They got an EVP of a voice saying yes. They also got pictures that night that were all kind of, distorted in different ways. So one investigator's face was half missing in the picture. Another had red markings all over her neck. And another one had a woman walking behind her. No, not into it.

It was all bad. And another picture had an investigate, this was at the same time that the investigator said that, um, so Lucy had this really like distinct powdery floral perfume and it wasn't like a spritz. It was like Lucy was 13 with a can of axe. Like didn't, didn't know what. what she was doing. So it was like she dropped the bottle. And so whenever Lucy's around, you can smell this like really overwhelming powdery smell. So one of the investigators said she could smell Lucy's perfume. And at the same time that she said that a picture is being taken of her, and this orb is right underneath her nose. Creepy. There was another group called haunting season, and they got really intelligent knocking. And both people, so they had investigators in

one room and then another room, and both of them thought the other one was knocking and nobody was. and this was wildly creepy if you want to go watch it's called haunting season um and then Palmer house um but it was just really weird it was like eight minutes in but they were all using walkie-talkies to get through the house and they were all in the room together and all of a sudden the walkie-taki goes off and there's a woman singing or like a little kid humming I feel like that's when I would tap out for a while like I hate ghost children I I remember it was three in the morning. I was like, I don't have the fucking capacity to handle this right now. No. I don't know how you watched all this at like two, three in the morning. Fuck that.

I was aware. I was like, something's going to eat me alive right now. Also, while everyone was downstairs, they saw a small figure crouching on the stairs. And so when they went to go grab the ball that they had planted upstairs in the middle of the hallway, it had already rolled on its own to Carlisle's room. Oh my God. Also, anything crouching? No one should crouch. you. Stop crouching in my house. I don't care if you're a puppy dog. Don't fucking crouch. Another one was called, this was my favorite one. If you guys are going to go watch anything on YouTube about this, it's called Minnesota Ghost Box. They go by MN. Ghost Box. And it's a three-parter. It was like a whole 45-minute show. But they got some really crazy spirit box voices. And so they asked

Carlisle, were you happy as a young boy? And they got a spirit, the spirit box said, yep. And then who's like, I was Wilden. This is when they got some sass from Lucy. So they said, am I too close to your chair? And they were also doing a flashlight. So you can use a flashlight and kind of the ones that open from the top or from the lens. And so if you unscrew it so it's just ever so light that if you touch it one way or another, it'll light up.

If you leave that in a corner of the room, a spirit can touch the flashlight and do yes or no questions. I have a hunch you already knew this. But in case anyone out there doesn't know what I'm talking about. they uh so they did a flashlight session and they said am i too close to the chair and the flashlight turned on immediately yep you are thanks for playing it's like is this blinding enough for you the sass i love it and then the spirit box said hello when they said how many are in the room the spirit box said please go five she's like five too many more than just me so yep that's too much five and zero should be the answer.

They said, they asked Lucy, are you sitting in the chair? And the flashlight said yes. And then the spirit box said, Greg, which was the name of the investigator. And then they said, are there still the same amount of spirits in this room? And the flashlight turned on. And then the spirit box said, Nicole, which was the only other investigator in there. Oh, my God. And then they both shot their pants.

At least I did. Yeah, right. And then they said, do you prefer the flashlight over this device? the spirit box and the flashlight said yes and the spirit box said sure when they asked are there any spirits in here from the previous room the spirit box said I am

and then when they left the room they decided to leave candy for Lucy in her room and they got a spirit box voice saying dessert it's good I mean who doesn't like some candy oh dessert thanks I still hate you what a queen such a queen she's like get

get the fuck out of my room also thanks for the candy she's like see you later better bring more candy And well then when everyone left officially, the last spirit box they got, the last voice they got said, see ya. I'd be like it's okay. We don't have to. On Lucy's schedule. When they were talking to Annie, they got kind of the same sass. And so they said, my name is Greg and my name's Nicole. And they got a spirit box voice that said, yep. Fascinating tale, Greg and Nicole. That's amazing. She's like, cool, cool, cool. Bye. They said, can you say your name? And the spirit box said leave? And then they said, is it a okay if I stay in your room and the spirit box said never. My name is leave and my number is go fuck yourself.

Then they said, how many years have you been here? And the spirit box said, hundred. And then they asked, what's your name? And the spirit box said Annie. And then the flashlight turned on. One thing that's pretty nice is they did say in their investigation, we only come here with love and respect. And then the spirit box said the word friendship.

Aw. Aw, cute, moment. Precious. You're like, but then. But then they said, we're going to go, and the spirit box said no. And then they said, oh, do you not want us to leave? And the flashlight said, yes, the flashlight turned on. Then they said, in the basement, they said, do you have a name?

And the spirit box said, hello, hello, hello. And the flashlight turned on. And then they asked, can you make the snowman move? And the spirit box said, maybe. So coy. I don't respect it. They said, can you make the spirit box move? Or can you make the snowman move?

and the Spirit Box said, maybe. And then they asked, are you sick of people asking about the snowman? And the Spirit Box said, yeah, go away. So other than that, I did watch the Dead Files and the Ghost Adventures episodes on this. And the only real takeaway from the Ghost Adventures, which if you listen to it,

and that's why they drink, you know that Zach Bagan's is a recurring topic on my show. Anytime there's a Ghost Adventures episode, I have to watch it. But basically, the only real things that happened here was that in the basement, Kelly started feeling really anxious and she started crying in the basement. And a millimeter, one of their devices started going off really wildly. They got

EVPs saying, I'm following her. They're coming to get you. And then when they asked, is there any danger for anyone here? And EVP literally said Zach Vagans and then laughed. It's a Zach attack. Because he's like, fuck you, Zach. They were like, that guy's going down. And then they also got, they're like, we don't heard about you. They also got a spirit box voice saying Aaron, who's another guy on the show. And then they heard growling. And when Zach said, what is that? The spirit box said, a spirit and then said Goodwin, which is Aaron's last name. You and danger girl. Oh my God. Growling is always my limit, I think. Well, in the basement at the same time, they ended up getting this weird light anomaly walking down the hall and then a cord hanging

from the ceiling started swaying. And then they heard furniture dragging, glasses clinking, they heard rattling. And then they got an EVP saying, make sure they go and then a broom lifted itself off the wall and fell over. Holy shit. I have to watch this episode immediately. I know. That was ghost adventures. That one was good. And then also if you get a chance, that was for the record. That was season seven, episode four. And then Dead Files is season nine episode four.

And they actually found a couple additional deaths that even Kelly didn't know about, including one guy named Moes in 1890. And then a cop named Jason in 1929, who was actually shot and died only 500 feet away from the hotel, and the hotel was the last location he was seen. Both of their spirits are apparently still there. When I hear Moes, the first thing that pops in my head is being that cousin. Right? I've never heard another Moe's.

So when I was watching this and they said Moes, I was like, I've never actually had to write that down. I only know it from the office. How do I even spell those? Me neither. I'd have no idea. And so the medium, this was a really good episode, by the, way. If you guys are bored at 3 a.m. You should watch the Dead Files episode of this. So the medium described feeling sudden extreme nausea, dizziness headaches. She began choking and tasting

smoke and she could see a woman who couldn't breathe. And apparently, we didn't know this beforehand, but there were actually four major fires on site. Oh shit. That even Kelly didn't know about. But apparently this medium was like, there was a shitload of fires here. He's like, see, I have it here in my mouth. And then they found out that they're actually were four different fires there. There were no fatalities, but a lot of fires. And some people apparently have been getting, apparently some of the spirits have been getting physical in the kitchen. There have been things getting thrown at people, people being being pushed. There's been a lot of shadow figures crawling up the ceilings and walls and dripping, dripping like chunks of ink or tar.

No, absolutely not. Ink and tar? Fuck that. No. I want my vintage gentleman back. And that's checkout time, everybody. Bye. Oh, that freaks me out. The last thing I'm going to say is that there apparently is something that the media, someone that the medium kept seeing that she deemed the name skeleton face, because he literally has the face of a skeleton, and is super powerful and in the basement,

and apparently killed a lot of people in his lifetime, and still hits and pushes people and actually killed a woman who also, haunts the building. She is known to be super protective of the kitchen and has thrown a bowl at Kelly before. And I guess the spirit has also found out that like this guy who used to kill a bunch of people, nobody ever knew about it, but has become demonic over time. And it's because, so this episode came out in 2018, I think, and the medium was explaining because she's had so many people in the hotel investigating, it stirred up more and more energy. So this thing has been getting more and more powerful.

Oh, no. And so Kelly even, in the YouTube episodes, she looked super chill. And she was like, oh, yeah, well, you know, we're just hanging out. Just some fun in here. Yeah. And then apparently, by 2018, when this came out, she looked real, like, fucking distressed. She looked like she was in trouble. And so apparently by the time this episode came out, she called them for help because

she started seeing black shadows towering over her. She was literally getting temporarily possessed. and she was getting jumped by these things in the basement. So they were taking over her body and she could, on the inside of her body, she knew she wasn't in control of what was happening, but she knew she wasn't in control of her body. Apparently one of the tenants that was living there said that he heard heavy weights being dropped on the ground above him.

And he also got possessed by something in the basement. And he even woke up one time to feeling someone crawl into bed with him, put their arm around him, and put their fingertips on his chest, and it was shocking him, and he felt paralyzed. And basically, they think that maybe this super dark creature could have been one of the original owners back in the 1890s, but they're not sure.

And basically, the episode ended with the medium saying, you need to contact a few people to remove the negative energy or else it's just going to get worse. And that's it. That's the end. She's like, sage the shit out of this place. Honestly, that's when I would be like, it's been real, but you can have the hotel now. It's yours.

You certainly earned it. I know, and she, like, said that she was staying, and I was like, girl, why? Like, please just leave. No, I'm not sticking around to see what happens after black ink starts dripping and skeleton faces come out of nowhere. No. Anyway, I talked for a full-blown 45 minutes, and I'm so sorry. But that was worth every damn second. Great 45 minutes. Stop.

That is the Palmer House Hotel. That was so good. For real. If everyone could see us right now in the Zoom, like maybe we should have recorded this because Ash and my mouths are just wide open, just staring. Like my jaw hurts from like hanging open. I appreciate that. I feel really bad because I, the whole time I was doing these notes, I was like, God damn, like, I'm guessing on someone's show and I'm about to like absolutely

like railroaded you with information. So I'm glad it was at least juicy info. No, dude, you're good. No way. this is what we wanted. You were our presence of the listeners. You ended it perfectly on possession and violence. The end. Drop the mic. Amazing. Amazing. I appreciate that. Thank you. All right. So mine's going to be a little shorter because I wanted M's to be like the real main event. But it's got some spookiness. You know, it's in Colorado. Ooh. So we're going to be taking you to Victor Colorado to the Victor Colorado Hotel. hell. Okay. I haven't heard of this.

Me either. Now, this is like a little town. It's surrounded by 500 mines. So this town was booming in the heyday in the early 20th century. You know, the early of the 20th century. It was full of gold and just pumping it out like nobody's business. It's fun. Now, it

really found success after the silver crash of 1893 when the Senate officially took back, repealed the Sherman Silver Purchase Act. You know that act. I'm not in I'm nodding like I knew. Totally.

Everybody knows that. Like, oh, yes, the silver crash. Yeah. Basically what it was was it meant the U.S. government was not going to buy silver to use for coins and was going to move strictly to gold. Okay. Now, this was not awesome for Colorado because its economy was heavily built on silver money. Tons of silver. This is why, you know, like a lot of towns and places in Colorado are named like Silver Springs, Silver Bapadoo.

silver be boo-boo, you know. Silver Bopadoo. I don't know if I've been there. Yeah, silver Bapadu. You've heard of it. No, it makes total sense now. Yeah. At one point, it had a population of like at peak 12,000 to 18,000. It was into a bunch of different sources, said different things. So just know that it was one of the largest places in the state at one time. And then the shit hit the fan, as it always does.

There's no clean fans. Never a clean fan. Not a clean fan. So in 1894, there was a minor strike. Minors were like, yo, can we get like $3 daily minimum wage and an eight-hour workday, please? So we don't all die of black lung with $2 in our pocket. Like that, please. So much to ask.

Luckily, they ended up winning that, but things did not stay calm for long. Don't, don't, don't. In 1903, mine owners suddenly were like, oh, you know that agreement we had where you guys get $3. in a reasonable workday so you don't, you know, die penniless after working yourself to death. Yeah, we're just going to stop honoring that for no reason. So the miners went on strike again. Great. But this was a doozy, though.

Over 4,000 miners just walked the fuck out. The guy leading the charge was a dude named Big Bill Haywood. Now, I had to look this guy out because I was like, oh, what's Big Bill all about? And it's hilarious because he's described as being capable and willing to break a man's job. but he also openly wept at a sweet poem. Like, wow. So he's versatile. He's got a range to him.

What a truly unique individual. Oh, my God. Do you know that? What that reminds me of, is it Frankie from Boy Meets World? Yes, exactly. He's Frankie for Boy Meets World. That's exactly him.

Holy shit. You just killed it. No, that's perfect. There it is. Wow. Also, Big Bill Frankie is shit. You definitely pulled a memory

right out of my head that, like, I forgot I had. Right? You're welcome. I've been watching so much Boy Meets World on Disney Plus. It's like, it should be illegal. Did you ever watch one of those, there was like four episodes that never made it to air, but like were, because they were too dramatic. We're like one of, no. Oh, you have to find them on YouTube. They're really good. One is like,

Sean is like, it's about alcoholism and he starts drinking. He like hits Angela. And then, oh my God. And then there's one about prom where they're like, about to hook up for the first time. It's juicy. Shit. I need to find those. Oh, we have so much to watch. They're on YouTube. So many, like, ideas for what to watch during our insomnia hours. I'm going to be up until, like, 5.30. I'm just going to wake up with the kids like, hello. It's fine. Sean Hunter will be okay.

So, like I said, this strike was pretty nasty. It lasted over 15 months, but it's what happened during those 15 months that is perhaps why the town is so fucking haunted. Uh-oh. Mine owners paid soldiers to infiltrate the town. They seized police headquarters. They started illegal. arresting and detaining anyone who even slightly, you know, stood up for the workers or anything.

Governor James Peabody declared martial law. So anyone that was involved in the strike, I mean, lawyers, reporters, union members, anybody that was even slightly sympathetic to their cause was held in a literal bullpen for weeks. And this bullpen was exactly what it sounds like. And it was surrounded by barbed fucking wire. What? Wow. Wow.

So for example, an article I read said that, quote, the entire staff of the Victor Daily Record was arrested after printing an anti-mine owner's editorial. So mine owners were also paying vigilantes to plant bombs, and then they would blame all the carnage on the strikers. Wow. They even purposely collapsed mines with miners inside and had legitimate gangsters hired to just straight up murder. a ton of people during this. What? It was fucking pandemonium. Mass pandemonium. Well, on January 27th,

1904, 15 men were killed because an elevator cable at the nearby independence mine was fucked with. It was sabotaged and all the miners just fell to their deaths. Holy crap. God. Yeah. It's crazy. So they held strong. December 1st, 1904. They did get their original terms back and they kind of won, but the violence didn't go anywhere for a while. Wow. The soul The soldiers came out in the spring of 1904, but the striking miners bombed a train depot in the nearby town of Independence, and they killed 13 more non-union workers. Everything didn't get really settled down until 1907. Damn. It was like, it's like a wild western.

Sounds like it was. This place looks like a movie set. It doesn't even look real. It looks like facade buildings. Not wonder this town looks like it's a movie set because it sounds like a movie. That's exactly what this sounds like. I'm just picturing like orangey dirt everywhere. Exactly.

Literally just everything Papa watches on TV. So the Victor Hotel was built in 1890. And it is a four-story Victorian building. I think it's made a brick. Really pretty. It was built by Victor's founders, who are the Woods Brothers. Now, originally the first floor was a bank. It was the Citizens Bank of Victor.

The second third and fourth. fourth floors were just like random office buildings, like all that kind of shit. But then later, they were like, oh, this office building on the fourth floor, uh, why don't we just make that a hospital? Yeah, so they turned it into a hospital. Yeah, you know, two birds, one stone. Go to work, get your checkup. I already hate it because with hospital, I assume a ghost will appear quickly.

I assume some trauma's going to happen. Always. They actually were performing surgical operations there as early as 1906. It did become neglected along the way and just kind of run down, you know, all that shit. Then in 1991, we're going forward. It was purchased and renovated. So the Victor Hotel officially opened in August of 1992. Now, there's tons of hauntings.

The fourth floor, like we said, was a hospital, but it also became a makeshift morgue at one point as well. Because of course it did. Okay, that's where I thought we were going with this. I was going to say this is like early 1900s. These operations aren't going that well. Mail all that. Exactly. Exactly.

How does that even work? Now, I don't, I mean, I don't think they really gave a shit about, you know, technical refrigerators. I think they just threw people on ice and hoped for the best. Yeah. Good point. Good point. And because in the winter months, the ground would be too cold to bury people and you

couldn't get through. So anybody who died in the hospital would just kind of stay on ice for weeks, sometimes months. Now, they did use the elevator to, take the bodies up and down. So these, of course, these patients are said to walk around the hospital a ton. Of course they do. Now, a lot of people, you know, have seen, you know, disembodied, you know, or heard disembodied voices, mostly on the fourth floor. They see lots of like wavy, wavering figures where they're not sure if they're seeing someone or not. I feel like if I were staying in a hotel that once had a hospital in a morganet, I'd be like, well, I'm just prepared to

see death tonight. Like, there's just no question. Oh, yeah. Like, I'm ready to see a bunch of hospital gounds with the back of an ass is hanging out, just walking out. Yeah, did anyone even know? Yeah. I love it. And then a lot of people have said they see both doctors and patients, because apparently the doctors are hanging out too. But sometimes they see these people without arms, legs, and some without heads. Just hanging around. Oh, that's the line. Yeah.

I'm not here for a headless ghost. I'm not. What did you say last time? It's checkout time. Nope. Time to check out of the Victor Hotel. Thanks for staying. That's definitely checkout time at that point.

Again, take me back to the vintage gentleman at the foot of the bed. You love that. Yes, but in your version, he's a doctor and also doesn't have arms. Or a head, perhaps. Yeah, there you go. So, of course, you're going to have a lot of activity in the hallways. You're going to have a lot of, there's a lot of activity in the basement, especially in the elevators, because that's what they're using to transport all the corpses. Elevators are always weird.

The third floor seems to be a pretty big place in the kitchen. So people see, like, you know, again, those wavy, kind of creepy, ghosty forms. They hear footsteps. Sometimes they'll get this, like, crazy rush of cold air that will just, like, fly. through the kitchen and you know like kitchens are hot there's like stoves go in ovens everything and they'll just get this blast of cold air. That's like helpful. Exactly. It kind of is. You ever works in a kitchen? shitty. But then like employees say that utensils will get like thrown across the room at them so that's not cool. Now the most famous ghost that people tend to see is a guy named

Eddie. Okay. Good old Eddie. Eddie. Oh Eddie. What's up? So apparently Eddie was a minor. And he lived in the hotel. Okay, he wasn't a minor as like a young child. I heard it. He worked in the Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, he was, he was not a, I was like, are we going to mention it? He was a grown-ass man. He lived in the hotel in room 301 in the early 1900s. Okay. Now, every morning he would come, you know, rushing out of his room. He got up real early because you got to hit those mines early. Eddie would just come clonking down the hallway. Clonkin. He's clomping. We're not here for clonkins. So he'd be always running to get to the mines and he would press the elevator to go down. It was one of those like bird cage elevators, one of those old school ones which are really

cool. One morning the elevator came up, doors opened and he stepped in, but the elevator did not come up with the shaft. So nothing was there and he just plummeted to his death at the bottom. of the shaft. Oh, R. P. Eddie. That's just a real bad way to start your morning. That's, yeah. Listen, he would have been more alert if he used his bidet.

You know, I'm just saying. Shut up a head, man. So apparently he was, his body was placed in room 301 because that's where he was living for viewing after he died. Oh. So that's real creepy. I mean, it makes sense, but also now I know that I would never want to stay in that room because that's where someone's had their funeral viewing.

Yeah. That's so true. He was like waked there. Now people will say that the elevator will come up to the third floor without anyone pressing anything. It comes up all the time and it will always stop at the third floor. Just stop every single time. It won't stop on any other floor. No one has to press it.

It's just always coming up to the third floor. It's like this is my stop and also yours. This is your stop always forever. Get your steps in, bitch. Get off. Now most of this stuff happens. think. 3 a.m. Almost every night. I would not want to stay on floor 3 at 3 a.m. That's a firm pass from me. What will happen is guests here, a lot of loud clomping, like footsteps,

heavy boots in the middle of the night, running down the hallways, always in a rush. Eddie, of course, wore steel-toed boots. People also see him in room 301, which makes a lot of sense. They also see him in the hallways. He seems like he's just like distractedly. trying to run to go to work. Maybe he just like falls down the elevator every morning. Yeah, he doesn't really do a whole lot. He's just stuck in that like time loop. Like groundhog day.

Like shitty groundhog day. I know right. That's awful. It's like you just want to warn him. Like somebody stop him and be like Eddie, you know, maybe Colin's sick today. Take the stairs today, Eddie. Yeah. Take another way.

So the other famous ghost that tends to chill in there is a guy named Charlie. And he's a nice ghost, of course. He's a very pleasant man. Charlies are always nice. I used to have a Charlie in my house growing up. He was like, well, he was a ghost, not like a dog or anything. But we had a ghost named Charlie. He was always so kind.

He was a very good, good ghost. We had a dog growing up named Charlie. I was going to say, we had a dog Charlie. He was a good boy. He was such a good boy. And now he's like a spirit dog. He like opens the door sometimes. Maybe that's why most charlies are good spirits because I imagine most

charlies are dogs. Yeah, I think that's just fast. I agree. So it's a stat. Charlie's for the win. Here it is. Um, so this Charlie is super nice. He's seen wearing a black hat torn jeans and a plaid shirt, which is like pretty hip. Like, like, good for you, Charlie. He's happening. Yeah. He's hipsterin out here. Um, he has described there's looking about 60 years old, which like, good for him. And he's just funny. People are like, he's just this like laugh riot who just love him, Charlie. I feel like I'd want to hang with him. Yeah. I want to hang out. with Annie Lucy and Charlie, just like, have a night, have a drink.

Like, tell me stories about your days. I'd like to put them all in a room and just be a fly on that wall. Right? Need to. Yeah. So on Christmas in 2003, there was several reports of this young woman who was seen in the lobby of the hotel late at night. That's fine. Every employee kept seeing her, and she was just walking around looking at the decorations that somebody had put up.

And she was, like, very fascinated with them. and when people would be like oh you know like who which guest is this uh it was a night when the hotel was like vacant there was no one else staying in the hotel um and if there was at one point then they were not in the lobby they were in their room so people were like cool that's a compliment to whoever did the decorating someone came from the dead to be like the shit's type honestly that's a true compliment they could be doing anything else in eternity and they they came here yeah that's gonna be like the ghost of martha stewart She's just judging harshly.

She looks like a little overcooked. And the last weirdness that happens in this hotel tends to happen in room 307. It just has a lot of weird shit happening. One night guests that were staying in that room heard loud banging like pipes all night. And when they woke up in the morning, they told the manager, you know, like it's really loud. I don't know if you have like a crazy heating system in that room or what. And the managers were like, yeah, there's no pipes in that wall or near your wall at all. in our heating system doesn't clang like that, so that I have no idea what that was.

And they were like, cool, cool, cool. And in the same room, another guest had put a cup of water down on like a table somewhere, and they were going to take like an Advil or something. And they had put it down to like go in the bathroom real quick. I guess they put four cups in each room every time they switch guests. So they put the cup down. They came back out. The cup had disappeared completely, like just gone.

From the whole room, they looked every. everywhere. They did not ever find this cup. And they know that there was four cups in the room. There was three left. And this cup was nowhere to be found. So weird. Which is like, did they just want, like, I'd be like, are you dehydrated? Like, why'd you take that cup of water? Like, what the fuck? Damn. That was a good one. I, and I've never heard of that one before. That's crazy. I definitely want to go. I definitely want to look into it. We're going on tour to all these different places. I thought it was a little fun one. But there was, there was actually another. one I wanted to do, but I couldn't find like a ton of haunting stories about it.

It's in Victor Colorado as well. It's nearby to the Victor Hotel. It's called the Black Monarch, and it was a saloon and brothel in its day. It has a lot of like shady history and stuff, but the guy who has done it now has redone it over into this cool, like, goth, awesome hotel, and it has four rooms right now, but they're going to add more. And the four rooms are all themed out to like the gills. One of them is themed Tesla. So it's all Tesla shit. One of them is themed H.H. Holmes.

The other one is themed Elizabeth Boutrey. Shut the fuck up. And the last one is themed black anis. It's fucking amazing. And they're all themed out. Like all of them. Can we go? I'm just jaw dropped.

Wait a minute. What's this place called? I was going crazy researching this and I had to mention it. What is it called? The Black Monarch. The Black Monarch. That is a boss bitch name. Because the original brothel in a gentleman's club was called the Monarch. I'm literally, I'm writing this down right now.

And in the black anis room, it's like a witchcraft looking room because it's from this like legendary creature. And the bed is suspended from the ceiling with ropes. Wait, what is it? The bed is extended from the ceiling? Yeah. We truly, truly need to go to this place. Like, I need to go. I, I'm not saying no.

I, yeah. I'm here. I think we have to go. guys. I never, I, I, I, a thousand percent, well, want to do this for sure. And there's four rooms. There's four of us. See, it's perfect. Four rooms. We can just rent out the whole place. Fuck yes. We need to do this. There it is. Yeah. Post-Rona, here we come. I'm ready. When Rona's gone, we have a lot to do, everybody. But Miss Rona tour is going to be crazy. It truly is. Okay, well, mine's like, not long, but like long-ish, so I'll start.

I wanted to do something in Canada for UM, so. Yeah, I'm so excited. Canada. I hope you haven't heard of this. I look to see if you guys had done this on your show, but I didn't see that you had, so I hope not. It's the old spaghetti factory. I don't. So here's the thing. I don't know if we've done it because if we did,

it wasn't the Nova Scotia one. Or maybe it was. Here's my story. So we went, I did a show and I think it was Houston, Texas or something. And one of our live shows, I covered their version of a spaghetti factory, but it's something, it's not the old spaghetti factory. It's a different restaurant that like spaghetti warehouse or something. Oh.

And I didn't. Off brand spaghetti factory. I didn't know that until I had already done half of my notes and then realized I was covering something not part of Texas. Oh no. And my, and like we were performing like tomorrow. So I ended up at my show doing half hometown notes about a spaghetti restaurant and then also threw in some random other humiliation.

Spaghetti place. Holy shit. That's giving me anxiety. It was a real fucking mess. But, um, so I don't know if I've done it. I definitely don't remember any of the stuff that happened in it. So we're good. Well, that's good. So just see if any of this sounds familiar. So the old spaghetti factory, the original one that was in the U.S. and it was founded by Gus and Sally Dusson in 1969. Um, and to this day, it's family owned and operated. So that's cool. Cool. So the first one that they opened was in Portland, Oregon. How do I say that, Elena? Oregon. Without getting yelled down. Like organs in your body almost. Oregon. I always say Oregon. Oh. So it opened January 10th, 1969. And it was in a carriage baggage building, which is like a historic building.

So the old spaghetti factory in Canada, they're actually owned by a different family. But all the restaurants like across the world have the same vibe. So the owners of the first ever spaghetti factory, they actually found an old trolley car and they refurbished it to use in the restaurant as like a way to add a unique dining experience. Ooh, that's cool. Isn't that cool? Yeah. We'll have to post pictures when we post like the Instagram for this. It's it looks so cool. So now the trolley car dining area is pretty much like a staple in all the restaurants across the world. They're all decorated pretty similarly and they feature like a ton of historic antiques and artifacts. So in 1970, the Poulos family opened the old spaghetti factory in, I think it's Gastown, Vancouver.

So they opened the restaurant in the old headquarters of a grocery store. I don't know why. I'm like giggling at the name Gastown. It might be Gaston, but Gaston's more fun. Like downtown abbey. So it's opened in the old headquarters of a grocery store, and today it's haunted as fuck. I'm doing it. And also some of the antiques include an old trolley car and a piece of stained glass that actually comes from the Queen's carriage.

That's cool. I like that. Isn't that cool? So the old trolley car at this location is right in front of the restaurant. It's trelling number 53 and it's actually from the year 1904. And it was built by the British Columbia Electric Railway Company. Fun. Okay.

Big mouthful. So it was actually, they. They were planning on destroying this particular car, but this guy named Ernie Les Plant, saved the car, and loaned it to the old spaghetti factory, and now it's still there to this day. Got it. So since then, they've had a few paranormal experiences with that trolley car at the restaurant. So one of the most frequent sightings at the restaurant is an old trolley conductor, and he's

dressed in full uniform. Okay. So he seems like pretty chill. He's not like angry or anything, and he doesn't mess with anybody that much. just moves around police settings. And some people speculate that he died underneath where the old spaghetti factory is, but that's probably, like, not the case because trolley cars were, like, on, like, above ground at that time.

So it's kind of just speculation. It's like, this might be bullshit, but whatever. He died somehow. Cool story, though. I appreciate the effort. I'm like, that's actually not true at all. I'm here to set the record straight. But other people just believe that his spirit was already connected to the car, and he just ended up, like, stuck there, I guess.

And then, like I said, the second theory is more likely because we all know that spirits like to attach themselves to things. Yay! So, right? So people see him in full uniform in the trolley car. Normally, people see him after the restaurant's already closed for the night, or if it's, like, just about to be closing. And he's always sitting at the same table in the car. And other than like the moved place settings or like there's like a lot of cold spots in the car, other than that is pretty much all he does. So he's chill.

Yeah, he's fine. Like that's cool. Okay. Yeah, he sounds like the kind of ghost that like if something were to haunt my area. Yeah. It's okay. You can stay. Yeah.

He's down to party. Yeah. The second one is like not so chill. Okay. So the second ghost that you might run into at the old spaghetti factory is known as the little red man or looky loo. No. No, that's not okay. The little red man.

Why is he little in red? So there's actually no explanation for that. In Looky Lou, neither of those are okay. Yeah, and there's also no explanation really for like where he came from or why he's attached to the restaurant in the first place. Oh, that's so much worse, I feel like. I know. But Looky Lou really likes to mess with the ladies that come into the restaurant. I hate all of it.

I don't like this at all. It's like in Scream when Billy's like, it's so much scam. when there's no motive. It's always scarier without motive. So he's a pretty small dude who really has a passion for the color red. He has red hair and a red face. I'm assuming like blushy like Santa cheeks, but do with your imagination what you will. I'm thinking a full-blown just like a red man, just a red.

Like an actually red man. Yeah. I feel like my brain is not letting me go there. No, I imagine him in like one of those like those, those. one, those like weird suits that, like those morph suits. Oh, yeah, those like full body. And nothing but red? Oh, oh, oh, oh, that's even scarier.

I hate that. Well, I don't, I don't, I'm not loving him so far. I'm picturing some like really weird, like devilish kind of mascot where he's like painted red and wearing red clothes. Yeah. It's no good. I think I'm thinking of the morph suit thing because like his personality strikes me as like the guy who crashed the party and no one knows why he's here, but like he's not leaving

clearly. Absolutely. And anyone who's wearing one of those morph suit strikes me as one of those people. They're always crashing parties left and right. Yeah. Well, he's not wearing a morph suit, but he's wearing red pants and a red shirt, so he might as well be. And I don't know if I said it already, but he also has red hair. Those damn ginger.

He can't trust them. I cannot trust a ginger. We all know. So a lot of times he passes through the kitchen and calls out to the kitchen workers by their name just to like fuck with them. Ugh. He is also a lot of times spotted in the woman's bathroom. No, no, no, no, no. This is one of my biggest fears, like, I swear, either if it's like a ghost or a real person,

is somebody peering through, like, the little crack in a stall. And that's what Lucky Lou does. God damn it. Oh, come on. No, no, I don't like that. That's so invasive. So then, like, what, you open the stall door and then all of a sudden there's no one there? That's even worse.

Exactly. Such a mind fuck, man. So you open the door and he's not there. One time a woman got a picture, like her and her friend were in the bathroom and they ran into him. And when it got developed, Lucky Lou was just like a weird, like, blobby orb. Cute. Was he red? And surprisingly not a red one.

No, surprisingly not. Weird. Okay. So creepy. Ugh. He's also been spotted. Like, if you're looking in the mirror, you'll see him in, like, the corner. I also love that you're like, she just ran into him in the bathroom.

Like, he's bump into him like, oops. There he is. Just running into looking in the bathroom. But he'll catch your eye while you're looking in the mirror, and then you'll turn around, and he won't be there. So that's him. That's his deal. Well, he's not my favorite.

The third ghost that presumably lives in the old spaghetti factory seems a lot more harmless than even the train conductor. She's a little girl that people see sometimes in the front of the restaurant sitting at a table in front of the window. She's by herself and holding a balloon, but for some reason the fact that she's holding a balloon makes her way more creepy to me. Yeah, somehow the balloon makes it not okay.

Like, I feel like that adds a creep element. And I feel like it's because of Stephen King's it, but... I feel like it freak... I mean, I agree with you. It's extra creepy, but I think it's because all of a sudden now there's like an unfinished story to her just sitting there. Now it's like... It's like, was she waiting for a birthday party or like...

Yeah, like what occasion left you sitting there with just a balloon? It's not... Well, you're going to get sadder. because if you ask her why she's there, she says that she's looking for her mom, or like, she lost her mom. Damn it. And so then on one occasion, Elena rips her headphones out. She's like, fuck this, I'm done.

That's too much. Man, that brings it down. That's too much. So on one occasion, the general manager had a friend, like, at the restaurant, either eating or just, like, hanging out. And the friend saw the little girl and was like, why are it, like, what's up? Like, are you waiting for somebody? And she was like, oh, like, I lost my mom, blah, blah, blah.

and then the friend went to go tell the manager so they could figure it out and when they went back to the table she was gone Oh who like you really got to think of did I accidentally like huff a chemical that I shouldn't have today like oh Also true crime aspect because if I thought I saw a little girl who lost her mom and now she's gone I'd be like Fuck I was responsible for that kid like I was the last I was thinking Exactly I was thinking that like if I came out and she was gone I'd be like well shit Like an open investigation to this day not only do I have to call the cops but now I'm probably gonna be the first one question. Great. So scary. So that's her deal. She doesn't really do anything other than chill at the front window, telling you she lost her mom. Except ruin your day. Sadness. I was going to say, except make you cry, yeah. Other than cause a ruckus.

So the last ghost, I saved for last on purpose because he is 150,000 percent somebody I don't ever want to run into. Oh, God. Who is he? Is he the tall, the tall red man? Is he the tall, the big blue man? Mm-mm. Mm-mm. So he's a little boy named Edward, seems harmless. He runs around. Yeah, little boys, come on. Little ghost boys. Little ghosts are never harmless.

They're always the scariest. He runs around the restaurant. Typically, he runs toward the back of the restaurant. And like a lot of the things that he does, he does in the back of the restaurant. He always catches people's attention because, one, he's running. And two, he's dressed in older clothing. usually quarterie pants, a wool jacket, and a flat cap. Styling for a little kid at least.

He is styling at least, you know. He's just the younger version of that vintage guy at the hotel. There you go. It's his younger self. Maybe you'll like him, Elena. I'm in. Doubt it. Oh, Jesus.

So there's been instances where the closing employee is like going through checking the restaurant. If you've ever worked at a restaurant, it's like the scariest time of night because you're typically by yourself and you're like, I really hope there's nobody in here. and at this restaurant there is. Great. So one waitress had a run in with Edward that scared her so badly. She literally quit her job at the restaurant. Oh my gosh.

She was closing up at night and there had been instances in the past where like the silverware would be bent up in half and like stuff like that. But she was always just like, okay, like that's creepy, but I'll keep working. Or like chairs. Just forks bending over themselves. for no reason. Yeah, like chairs would be on top of tables that, like, when you walked by a minute ago, like, that chair was on the floor because that's where chairs are supposed to be. Absolutely not.

But this night, she was like, nope. So she's closing up and she notices a young boy running toward the back of the restaurant. And she's like, uh, hi, we're closed. Like, no. And so she follows him and she finds him hiding under a table. And when he looks up at her, he has no fucking eyes. Well, that's all it is for me. goodbye.

Right? It's checkout time. That's not Canadian. That's not Canadian. That's not the Canadian way. That's decidedly not Canadian. That is rude. Not Canadian at all.

That's not the spaghetti way, man. No. This is not the old factory way. It's not what you're here for. She literally quit her job. The next day she was like, sorry, I don't feel comfy working here. I'm good. I would quit doing a lot of things at that point.

A lot. Me too. I would quit looking at children into, in their eyes. Yeah, I would just quit leaving my house altogether and talking to other people. So she quit. She's like, bye. Yeah. And after that experience, they brought a psychic in because they're like, all these, like, crazy things are happening. Like, why is this all happening here? So the psychic is the one who told everybody that the boy's name is Edward. And she says that Edward likely came through a vortex in the restaurant because of all the old artifacts and the antiques

that they have housed in one place. Ah, a vortex. She explained how spirits, like, can connect themselves to things, and since there's so many in the space, a vortex was formed. And she said that Edward likely came from another realm through the vortex into our realm. Yep. No. So creepy. Yep.

You said vortex immediately. I was like, this kid is not even from this planet. Okay. Great. I'm sorry. I keep picturing this little kid in, like, a scally cap, just coming, like, launching. or tumbling through like this vortex just like whoop I'm in a restaurant I don't know I have a ride he's like I'm here for the free bread

it was a rush pack job and he just forgot his eyes he left his eyeballs in another world right I fell out I mean I don't know a lot about other realms maybe they don't need their eyes there maybe who knows maybe we're the weird ones I guess they don't it's like it's not necessary in that role. Eyeballs optional. Oh, my God. But yeah, once they had a seance at the restaurant after hours, and during the seance, books fell off the shelves, the silverware all hovered over the tables, like levitating, the chandelier, their chandeliers in the restaurant, and they were all shaking, and then all the sudden it just stopped out of nowhere. When things start levitating, I'm out,

like, just, nope, all right, we proved it. I don't need to see anything. I would have not stuck around for the rest of that. I'd have been like, I'll be in the car. I'd be like I got to put that back back where it was. Oh shit. I'd be outy 5,000. It's been real. I'd be like you had me at child with no eyes. Why am I still here for day two? As soon as a boy looked at me with no eyes, I'd be like, well, I'm out of here. On to the next realm. Yeah, I'm thinking the eyeless boy would have been my breaking point. Oh, imagine if that's the kid peering at you through the stall without eyes. Oh, no. Oh, that's so much worse. Like, what's the person? Like, what's the purpose. You're just doing this to be a dick, man. Honestly. But also, like, can he see with his,

with his mind's eye? Yeah. Maybe he doesn't need eyeballs. They're, like, vestigal organs to him. We don't know what he's capable of. Maybe he uses the flesh beyond them. Maybe he can see. That's what I'm saying. We just don't know. Well, that's all, like, the haunted shit that goes on there. You can eat at the restaurant and see what you experience. Like I said, it's in Vancouver in at Gastown. Yell at me if I said that wrong. Gaston. It's at 53 Water Street.

And apparently it's super affordable and not only ghost friendly, but family friendly as well. Yay. Oh, good. Bring all your kids. Yeah, just bring all the kids. Hang out with the kid with no eyes. I'll get a postmates to deliver for me because. Yeah, we don't need to make the trip.

I don't need to. Apparently they still, this is just like a cute little like tidbit at the end to like make you happier. They still offer some of the same sauce recipes from when they first opened. And according to an interview done by Elise Jorkowski, one of the favorite menu items is the manager's favorite with spicy meat sauce and misethraw cheese, which was a really rare cheese to find back in the day. A rare cheese.

I'm here for a rare cheese. You could only find it at the old spaghetti factory. I all of a sudden forgot everything else you said. Now I'm like back. I'm ready to go again. I'm ready. I like to really bring you back down and lift you up with some food. I'm ready to get hurt by some ghosts over there.

It's my way. Let's get it. Add it to the Rona tour. And you cap it off with a spicy meat sauce. I was like, I'm in. That's where I was. You had me a spicy meat sauce.

Hell yes. You got to love a spicy meat sauce. I was reading all that and I was like, I was like, okay, okay. Yep, that's creepy. And then the kid with no eyes and I was like, got to do this. He really is the. He really is the main attraction to this story. Oh, yeah.

He's the main event. You buried that lead. Well, you really well. Honestly. And then you just got to talk about the original sauces. Yeah. I'm so sad this was over. This was so much fun.

I know. I'm sad this is over. I, listen, I'm sorry it's over, but also I, again, apologize for how long my story was. But I truly, I didn't know. I'm kind of, like, jealous. It gets to, like, air on your episode because I was like, this is some juicy shit. I was like, I can't believe. It's such a good one.

This is such a good story. First of all, we, I definitely want to go one day. And if either of us, if I go, I'll make sure to let you guys know, like, how Lucy is. Because I feel like I'd have to ask for her room specifically because she just wants eat candy and sit on her goddamn chair. That's what I want. That's what we all want. I just want to sit and eat candy and tell people to get the hell out of our room.

You can do that together. No boys allowed. Sounds like a party. There it is. I'm in. It sounds amazing. And M, why don't she tell us where we can find you? Yes. I, so you can listen to up my podcast and that's why we drink where, and that's why we drink.com.

You can also find us on Spotify, iTunes, pretty much wherever you're currently listening, you can find us. And that's pretty much what's going on right now. We have our tour rescheduled. So we've got some shows in 2021. I'm pretty sure at this point. So, but if there are any availabilities, please come. We have a very good show. We are not telling people. what the format is, but it's very good. It's very different than the last show if you've ever come to our our previous tour. But we worked really hard on it. We're very proud of it. Yes, we're so excited to see it. I can't wait. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And everybody go listen to it, and that's why we drink, because it is an amazing podcast, and you will love it if you haven't already died. I started listening to your podcast before Elena and I even had a podcast. So I'm very honored. And thank you for having

me because I have been listening to you guys for a while. So I'm finally on the other end of it where I'm like, I feel like I know you guys, but you don't know me. So, but maybe you do because you listen to our show. This is exactly how we feel. We're all on the same way. We can just, we can just skip the awkward, like getting to know you phase because we already know each other. Yeah, we're all friends. We're already just friends. It's already happened. Exactly. We can all have virtual coffee like we're saying. Yeah. I definitely want that. I definitely want to have a FaceTime team. Yes, virtual coffee. We got to do it. Yes. Yes. Incredible. All right guys. Well, as always, we hope you keep listening. And we hope you

keep it weird. But not so weird that you do a crossover episode with M. Furman, that's why we drink. And they tell you all about really cool ghost stories. And we want to go meet Lucy all together. And it's going to be so much fun. And then Elena tells you about minors. And then everybody falls through an elevator. And then I tell you about a kid with no eyes. And then we just hope you don't keep that weird. Bye. Well done. Well done. He, ha, ha, ha.