Morbid - The Lake Bodom Murders

Episode Date: August 28, 2018

Finland, you really outdid yourself with this one. As one of the most infamous crimes in Finnish history, this triple homicide remains a mystery to this day. Sure, several suspects have been brought to the table but none have been formally charged for very long. With a bumbling investigation and a host of strange occurrences surrounding this case. It may remain just that: A mystery. Today we will shed some light on this creepy case and try to give our best guest about what happened. Enjoy, weirdos. Movie: Lake Bodom https://medium.com/@allisoneckmeier/true-crime-lake-bodom-murders-c9070a197de9 https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/lake-bodom https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/4677559/is-this-chilling-lake-massacre-of-three-teenage-campers-the-real-life-friday-the-13th/ The Lake Bodom Blood Murders by Matt Demas Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Moabird. Dittittittitt did. Deh. Weo. We're here. How's our week going? It's going awesome. Because it's not even a new week yet. We've recorded three times this week. We have. We're really... For like three different episodes. We're really working hard for the money. So hard for money. Working out. In fact, I just came back. Like, the... other night when we were recording, I was leaving to go to the morgue, and today I just came back from the morgue. What is today's Sunday? Yes. So I get Sunday, Monday's off, so I'm working

on my day off. Yeah, but it's fun work. And I have to work tomorrow on my day off. Like, this is kind of like, oh yeah, this is not work. Yeah. This is fun. This is leisure. This is leisure. I'm so relaxed. I love it. And we have our new audio. I love listening to our podcast now. It's starting to sound a little better and better because I know how annoying it is to listen to podcasts when the audio was crappy. I didn't think it was too bad, but listening to it now, I'm like, ooh. Yeah. So sorry about that. We sound so much better. We're getting better. I'm learning each time. Okay, so my favorite podcast, other than ours is, and that's why we drink. Did you see that somebody, like, said that we were their favorite podcast, like morbid and, and that's why we drink? And I commented and was like, I'm very honored

to be mentioned in the same breath. I had, you can ask. anyone that was with me last night. I had a freak out. Because Ash was the one who introduced me to that podcast. It's like my favorite favorite podcast. I've fallen in love with it. So that's one of those podcasts that you guys, you probably already listened to it. I'm assuming our listeners are already like way caught up on that. I was a little late to the party. I mean, I was too, but I love them and I can't believe that. I love that people mentioned us in the same moment as that. We're on the same part as them. Yeah. Like I don't feel like we're not worthy. Do you want to be? friends. Do you want to be friends, guys? I want to be friends. I feel like not worthy, but I really

appreciate it. But we are worthy. I know. We're totally worthy. We're fucking awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Pep talk ourselves. We're bound in our chest right now. Yeah. We're going to scream and run up a staircase. I'm having a King Kong moment. They do that in Rocky. Oh, you're talking about Rock? I've never seen that movie. I'm going to be real. I haven't either, but I know this a part where he runs upstairs. I thought this was going to be one of those things. And he just turned around and looked at us like, what the fuck are you guys talking about? What do you want to add? I think it was because both of us have not seen rock.

Have you seen Robin? Yeah. Of course I've seen Robby. It's one of those movies that I feel like everyone is seen. I've been to the Rocky Steps. Oh, so there is steps. See, I know what I'm talking about. Well, yeah, they had to film it somewhere.

There's step. No, but I'm saying like it happened. I wasn't just making it. Oh, yeah, I know. That's like I even do that. Those weren't fake steps. I was like, what? He was like, yeah, they needed steps to run up the steps.

He wasn't just like running like in front of a green screen. That'd be funny though. Way back. So yeah, that took a turn. But anyways. But yeah, that was pretty cool. And while we're talking about podcasts, I'll just like a little recommendation corner before we get into some more stuff because I've been listening to a couple of new,

newer podcasts, like what's blood got to do with it? Are they the people that gave us the. Wicked Nice review. Yeah, they gave us an amazing review and they gave us a little shout out on one of their episodes. Oh my God. And I immediately got drawn into their podcast and it's two sisters in California. Shit. They're like, they're like the other coast us. Yeah. Because we're like sisters, but not sisters. I feel like every time I listen to our podcast, other people are probably like, what? Because you're like, we're like, we're sisters. And then you're like, my mom, your grandma. And they're like, you guys are not like sisters.

technically Ash is my niece. Yes, and technically Elena is my aunt. But we grew up as sisters, basically. Right. So we call each other's sisters. Yeah. And like Elena's kids are my nieces. Except.

We're 10 years apart. Yeah. Which is crazy. But. So we're sisters. And anybody that wants to say otherwise can suck a toe. Exactly. Welcome.

Welcome. Welcome. No, I said you're welcome. Oh, I thought you were just like welcome to our podcast. If you say anything, suck a toe. Greetings, everybody. Welcome. Well, either way, their podcast is called What's Blood Got to Do With It?

Yes. Every time I see it pop up on everything, I immediately in my head are like, What's Blood got to do? Got to do with it. What's Blood? But a secondhand emotion. I can come up with something really quick to work with that. Hold on.

Go. What's Blood, but a slightly viscous fluid. That was great. Boom. That's your new. tagline, what's blood got to do with it? Yeah, a slightly viscous fluid? Yeah.

What is viscous? It's like a syrupy. Oh, okay. Like, it does. It's when it congeals. And I just like that word. Viscous. So we recommend them.

Yeah, so What's Blood got to do with it is pretty awesome. And another podcast that I have been, like, binging, especially when I come out of the morgue and I need something to make me, like, happy inside. I do go to watch what crap. happens, which is amazing. But I think we've already shouted there. But also, they're called, oops, I watched it again. Oh, yeah. And they're fucking awesome. It's like three people that are basically my age. Oh, are they? That, yeah. Because I thought they called themselves millennials.

Are you technically a millennial? I'm still. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm right on the cusp. Oh, okay. So, yeah, I'm 32. So I'm still young. I thought, I thought the cut off was 30. No. So I think they're They're around my age because they're into, they're basically like nostalgia going into, like, the big flicks of our time. Like, you know, like the, the She's All Thatts, the Craft, Jawbreaker. Favorite movie. True intentions. I mean, like, all these great movies. And it's like, you get to hear it from all sides.

And it's just go listen to it because it's like a big nostalgia bomb. And they're all hilarious. That sounds awesome. Yeah. So go listen to Oops. I watched it. or oops, we watched it again. Cool.

And those are my podcast recommendations for right now. Well, we have to sing if we sang for the other one. Put something real fast. Oh, man, this isn't my wheelhouse. The other one had blood in it. How many people do you think we lost with our singing? Probably a lot. Probably every follower we have.

I think I lost people as soon as I was like, what's blood? Like got like really into Teen Entertainment. Yeah, just like screamed out. So we won't do that anymore, guys. Sorry about it. We're moving on. So yeah, listen to what's blood got to do with it and oops, we watched it again. Yeah.

And in other news, There's been kind of a bummer event that happened today, and I actually missed it because I was in the morgue. So I was walking up to Elena's doorstep today, and I get CNN updates on my phone, and there was, unfortunately, a mass shooting at a video game tournament in Jacksonville. That's such a bummer. And it's, like, actually unfolding right now. Where can you go now? So it says that multiple people were killed. 11 were shot for our dead right now.

And it says that one suspect is dead at the scene. It's not known yet if there's another suspect. I was just going to say, is it only one shooter? They don't know. That's awful. Yeah. It's just people trying to enjoy video games. It always bums me out.

Like, it's always a huge bummer, but it's like, in situations like that, it's like, kids just going to school. Right. It's just people doing a video game convention that, like, you're just doing something you enjoy or, Like just having a day. They all went to that convention, not even thinking that. And it's just like a fucking Sunday afternoon. Yeah, just a nice Sunday afternoon. You're going and doing your favorite hobby.

And it's like, I hate everything. I don't understand why people have to be such shitbags. I can't understand it, man. It's such a bummer. Right now. Well, we'll update when we hear more updates on that. But since it just happened, we just wanted to put it out there that it happened. But if anything else comes up, we'll update it on the next podcast.

And hopefully, if there is another suspect, they find them quickly. Yeah, and good, good vibes to all the people injured, because that's a real bummer. So we'll move on to something a little happier or a lot happier. I thought you were going to go into the case like that, and I was like, what? No, our case is not much happier than that. No. But we have a new Patreon donor, subscriber. I don't know what it's called, Patreon person.

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If you're so inclined. If you feel we deserve it, I promise you we will do great things with it. And it'll go right back into the podcast and to you guys because we have some really fun ideas. So yeah, thank you so much, Velasca. Thank you to our rest of our patrons. Totally jump on there if you feel so inclined. And now let's... Without further, do-d-d-do. Go into our crazy-ass case. So this week we're bringing you to Finland.

Yay. And it's an unsolved one. So we get to, like, theorize a little bit. Even though I don't think this one's ever going to be solved, to be honest. I don't think so either, to be honest. There's just too much. And we'll go into why we think that, because there's just a lot. Because it's basically like the LAPD was fucking on the crime scene there.

Basically, the LAPD went over to Finland. And they fucked it all. Yeah, basically. And it's, so this is the Lake Bodom murders. I've heard it called Lake Bottom, too, but I'm going to call it Lake Bodom because it sounds better. And it's BODD-O-M. Yeah.

So I feel like Bodom is right. I've heard a lot of these words and names I've heard pronounced several different ways. So I'm going with the things that I think sound right. but if we have any Finnish listeners, which I don't know if we don't know if we did. Shout out to you guys. That would be rad if we did. Or if you know anybody who's finished and you want to correct our asses, by all means. Do it up.

Tell us if we're bouchering these aims because we don't want to do that. Just like the Diet Love Pass one. I feel like this is a similar vibe too. And people really dug that episode. Yeah. So hopefully you guys will feel that way about this one. Sorry you can hear my creaking rocking chair again. Fuck you, Elena.

I apologize. I'm just kidding. And you know what? This creaking, rocking chair is not going to be my chair for long, so you'll miss it when it's gone, okay? I don't know if they will. No, you won't. I won't. It's really hot in here.

It is pretty hot, but not as hot as it usually is. We're not helter sweltering just yet. It looks like fall outside, though. It does. All right, I'm sorry. So the Lake Bodom murders is the biggest unsolved murder mystery in Finnish history. Unfortunately, it's kind of tough to get a lot of details about the case because everything is in finish. So wait, you mean you don't read Finnish?

Yeah, I know it's weird that I have not taken the time. Like of all your talents. Yeah, I've not added learning Finnish to my talent. I don't know any other language. I'm a, I'm a native English speaker and that's all I know. Why don't you just like get your shit together? I'm such an American right now. Yeah.

I'm like, I only know English. I know. I want to know other languages. I can understand a little bit of Spanish and a little bit of Portuguese. Yeah, I can understand a little Spanish. But yeah, we're at a severe. disadvantage here since a lot of the details. I don't even, you know, some of the details are just even lost because of the bad. Exactly, because like we mentioned, it was just bad police work

somewhat. So basically, this is a triple homicide with one survivor. And it occurred on Lake Bodom in Finland. Lake Bodom is located in a small area known as Espos, which is 22 kilometers from the capital Helsinki. What year was this again? I'm sorry. This was June 4th, 1960. Oh, okay. So June 4th, 1960, four teens decided to go camping, and they weren't camping like in an RV. They were like, they were not glamping. They were slumming it. They were full on camping. Like, they took one of those tents that like you put two poles up and you stretch a canvas over it and that's their tent. I'd rather eat less. And these teens were 15. year old Anya Tuliki

Macchi. Good job. Brian. Her boyfriend, 18-year-old Sepo-O-O-O-O-O-Torro Boisman. Which, Sepo is a really cool name. Yeah. Seppo. I'm just like Seppo. 15-year-old Miley or Mellie Bjorkland and her 18-year-old boyfriend, Nils Willem Gustafsson. I just picture Miley Cyrus.

Yeah. But this is Miley Borkland. Oh, okay. Thank you for clearing that. A little different. Oh, so this wasn't Miley Cyrus. This was not Miley Cyrus. Oh, okay, cool. I know. It's a little confusing. Yeah. So they all were, you know, the two couples were dating.

They were, they set up their little canvas tent on the shores of Lake Bodom. The boys propped their motorcycles against nearby trees, and they set this tent up in the shade and on a slight slope. So you have the whole picture. Here's the pick for you. I like to paint a word picture for everybody. So while they were all asleep on the morning of June 5th between the hours of 4 and 6 a.m. All four of them were attacked very brutally by either a person, a demon, what have you. Or a force unknown.

Exactly. They were all attacked using a knife in some blunt instrument, believed to have either been a rock or a pipe of some sort. Damn. Weapons were never found. So none of these were ever found. Well, that's crazy. Yeah. Not even the knife.

Wow. Nils was the only one that survived this attack. He was found alive, but he was pretty badly hurt, but not as severely as the other ones. He suffered a concussion, fractures to his jaw and facial bones, and bruising on his face. He also apparently was stabbed once in the head, the forehead. Jesus. Yeah, not just in the head. I feel like it would be really hard to stab in the forehead.

I know. That's boney. It's like bone is right there. So it's like, apparently he had a pretty deep wound there. at least that's what I read in several reports, but curious. Interesting that he was only one that's evolved, I guess we'll get there. And that his injuries were just not as bad as the other ones. Yeah.

Guilis. So the tent itself was beaten to hell and completely collapsed. There were slashes and tears all over it. There was blood all over it. And Nils and Miley were found on top of the tent. Sepo and Anya were found inside the tent. Yikes. Do you know what I just realized? What?

I'm going camping next weekend. But like glamping. Oh, you said you're not going to be in a tent. But still, last time I went camping, I got sleep paralysis, and it was terrifying. Sleep paralysis is the worst thing ever. Yeah, I fucking hate camping. It stresses me out so much. I actually just had sleep paralysis.

Was it last night or the night before? Like, my heart actually goes out to anybody that's ever experienced it. Yeah, it's awful. Because it actually is the worst thing ever. I've experienced it since I lived in mom and dad's house. Really? Yeah, I've had it since I was little. Wow.

And I never knew what it was until it started. I got it once on a road trip when I was younger. I was going to North Carolina and I like woke up and I was looking out the window and like crazy shit started happening. But then I woke up. And then I got it once like the 4th of July last year or this year when we were camping. When you were camping. And I was trying to like wake Annie up and I like couldn't wake her up. And like this person thing was like figure was like coming toward me.

And I was like, literally, this is how I'm going to die. That's, that's like the hallmark of sleep paralysis. Usually it's like a shadowy person. Like, I don't want to sleep there again. And it's awful. And literally, every time it happens, I always look, and I'm always looking at my room, exactly how it is. I'm not somewhere else.

I'm not. Well, because I think you're technically like you wake up. You're lucid in a way. Right. So it's like you are looking at your room. And it's like your brain is half awake, half asleep. So it's like you don't have the ability to move because your brain is still shut down that way. but you're seeing the room and it's still giving you images that it would give you in a dream.

And like a nightmare. Yeah, so it's all fucked up. Ugh. But it's awful. So anybody who has that, whew, we feel you because that shit's awful. But we digress. Well, we digress. So, so, now, Miley was found, she, Miley was Nils' girlfriend.

She received by far the worst of the injuries. And Nils is the one that was still alive. Nils was the one that survived this whole thing. Okay. So Miley was found naked from the waist down. Oh. There was no sign of sexual assault that we know of, but that, you know, who knows. And she had been stabbed multiple times even after she had died.

Oh. A lot of overkill, which is oftentimes associated with a personal attack. Right. When you just keep going. Her cause of death was blunt force trauma, so she died from blunt force trauma. So she died from blunt force trauma and then somebody just kept stabbing her. She'd already died. So, I mean, that's pretty intense.

That's super intense. Yeah. Sapo and Anya were the ones inside the tent and they were both killed, I believe, by blunt force trauma. But there was stab wounds. I don't know if they're not positive which one killed them. Now, it does look like they were all in the tent at one point and that the killer did stab through the tent. So he didn't drag anybody out of the tent. He just walked

up to the tent and started bashing and stabbing. That's fucking horrifying. The two of them ended up outside the tent somehow on the tent. I think it was basically just the tent collapsing and them trying to maybe get out or I don't know. But basically they did find like with the trajectory and the blood

and everything that it was they were in the tent initially. That's fucking horrifying. Yeah. And I'm sure they were sleeping most likely. Yeah, they said that that's they were probably sleeping and were just woken up by that, which is my biggest nightmare. And from one, a couple of reports I read, they actually say that all of them received blunt force trauma, but only Miley was stabbed.

So there's some reports that say that all of them were stabbed, some that say only she was, but they all say that she was way over killed, would stabbing. So, I mean, again, this is a tough case to get all the details correct. but I just want to put out every angle here. No matter what, the definite facts are that Miley was way more severely attacked than the rest of them. The killer also stole things from the victims, including clothing and wallets. But some of these items, not all of these items, but some of them were actually found tossed around like 500 meters away from the crime scene, which is like a half mile away. So like not very far at all.

Not very far. And they like, why would you take them just to scatter them out? It's just weird. It almost seems like somebody was trying to make it look. Yeah, I'm just saying. Like something happened. Well, and there's even more that will make you think a little bit. So weirdly, there were tracks found leading away from the crime scene.

And these tracks suggested that the killer actually was wearing Nils's shoes when he walked away. Hmm. Which is odd because, like, first of all, why would he do that? And second of all, he just happened to have the same size foot as Nils. And also, these shoes were found dumped and hidden, 500 meters away from the camsite as well. So unfortunately, Nils claims, because he was immediately taken once they found him, which we'll explain when this happened, Nils was taken away to a Red Cross station once they found him. And immediately they questioned him about everything.

And he claims he was in shock throughout this whole thing, which, you know, believable. Since there is tracks leading away, was there any tracks leading back? Not that we know of, but there's a reason that we might not see those tracks that we'll get into a little later. Okay. Nils had trouble recalling anything, really, about this attack. And he did have a concussion. He does initially say that he remembered a black cloaked man with red eyes coming at him. Seems legit.

So it might have been one of the hungry vampires from Twilight, because remember they had red eyes? Yeah. The Voltairi? Yeah, there you go. Like, I think when they get hungry, they get red eyes. Yeah. I'm just making fun of Friday, really. But he was put, actually later put under hypnosis,

and he was able to give them a description of who attacked them, and we'll go back to that later because it's important. So after this whole thing happened, two boys that were birdwatching near the site actually noticed the collapsed tent on June 5th later on the day. He'd blood all over it. And they were like, looking from far away. So they just saw a collapsed tent and two motorcycles, but they claim they saw, they both claim, that they saw a blonde man with longer hair walking away from

it. And it was far away so they couldn't give a lot of details. I think they could give a little bit of description about what he was wearing. Okay, but they were far, so. Exactly. And they just were like, oh, okay, that's just a collapsed tent. They weren't really concerned about it. I mean, yeah, why would you think too much? There was another boy who was fishing nearby, and he also said he saw a blonde man in the area as well. So a blonde man was fucking there. So there was a blonde dude there. The bodies were found at 11 a.m. on June 5th when Ristow Serren,

sorry if I missed up that name, was jogging and saw the bodies on the tent. He called the police right away. The police arrived around noon, and they determined, like I said earlier, they did determine that the killer never entered the tent. They got them from the outside. They were found at 11, but it took them until noon to get there? Yeah. Well, it was in the middle of the woods.

Oh, okay. Yeah. So he probably found them, called them, and then they had to take time to get there. But initially, this is where it gets like, really, guys. Initially, the police called upon the public to aid them in investigating, because that's always a really great idea. What? They literally asked the public, like, civilians to come search the area for weapons and evidence. That sounds like a really bad idea.

And to this day, people are in there searching for evidence, just because when you go there, why not? But having hundreds of civilians traips through a crime scene in the surrounding perimeter of the crime scene to search for murder weapons that are never located. Well, and what if it was a civilian? It was a bad choice. Like that committed a crime.

Well, it obviously probably was a civilian. And it's like, what are you doing having people who don't know how to look for evidence, look for evidence? So basically it just... Were they just tired that day? They just contaminated the crime. crime scene. It's completely fucked. Yeah, that's stupid. You have several, I mean, this is why

parameters are set up in the first place to not. Like, they typically are like, stand back, motherfuckers. Yeah, you can't come into the perimeter because you'll fuck up the crime scene. And it's like, so, yeah, they found tracks leading away from the tent. But if there was tracks going back to the tent, how the fuck are they going to find them? There's 100 people walking around that place. Were the bodies, like, out too? Like, that's kind of fucked up. I don't know about that.

At that point. Yeah, but either way, they had civilians looking for fucking murder weapons. And what were they going to do? Pick them up with their bare hands and walk over and hand it to them. Like, what the fuck? That's really all we know about, like, what went on that night. There's not a lot of details about, you know, because again, this is 1960s. They fucked up the crime scene.

And it's in Finland, which we can't translate all the details. So there was mainly four suspects that we're going to go over right now with this case. And then we're going to talk about who. we think did it. Now, the first suspect was Penty Soineninanin. Soinanin. Soin.

Now, this one is, I think this one's BS. Okay. This one doesn't hold up for me at all. So he was convicted on several violent crimes in the 1960s. He was 15 at the time of the murders. Oh. Well, the victims were 15, right? Two of them?

Two of the victims were 15. He did live really close to Lake Bodom. and when he was 24 years old, he was serving time in jail for some of those violent crimes he committed, and he confessed to the murders. But maybe just for street. He was interrogated, but his confession made no fucking sense, and the police were like, I think you're just crazy. Do you know what he said?

No. They just ignored it, but he later hung himself in a prisoner transport station. Some say he did it on the anniversary of the murders. But maybe that's hocus focus, focus. Exactly. And also, it just none of me. it made sense. Yeah. It's like, I don't think a 15-year-old killed two 18-year-old boys and two 15-year-old girls. And I also, it just doesn't make sense. Yeah. Yeah. I think he was just being a dick.

He just wanted street credit in prison. The next one is Hans Osman. Hans Asman. It's pronounced, it is pronounced Osman, but it is spelled Asman. He did it. I know it. He was mad about his name. Can you bet? Oh, I know that poor guy. He had to murder someone to get over it. Like, how many people in his life probably walked up to him and was like, hey, you a boob man? Or an ass man. He's like, fuck you. That's funny. Yeah.

I didn't even think of that. So he's German. In case you couldn't tell from Hans Osman. He's German. And he was an alleged KGB spy living in Finland in the 50s and 60s. Wow. He was a former police officer. He served in the SS.

Oh. And was a guard in Auschwitz in World War II. Damn. So he seemed some shit. So he served in the worst. Like the SS, you can't even, in Germany now, it is illegal to wear an SS uniform. Wow. Yeah.

Like, that's really fucked up. But the reports I read were that he fled from that when he became involved with a Jewish girl. Okay. So interesting story he has. Yeah. And he was later captured by Soviets and recruited as a KGB spy. That's the story, at least. What a life.

he led. Right? Crazy. So he looks a lot now. When Nils was put under hypnosis and they got that description from him, they did a sketch. They did several sketches. Does he look like the sketch? From his description. Now, I'm going to put these sketches on the Instagram because this also connects to something else.

He looks a lot like those sketches. Like a lot. Like a lot. I'm sorry. This is Asman? This is Asman. Oh, okay. This is Asman.

This is Asman. This is A's Man. This is Asman. This is Asman. So he looks a lot like those sketches, which is interesting. Now, Hans actually went to the Helsinki Hospital the morning after the murders, and everyone there said he was aggressive, he was nervous, and was faking unconsciousness while he was there, and he also lied about his identity.

Now, they said his, all the doctors and nurses said his fingernails were black and, like, caked with some substance. and his clothes were stained with red, which they all believed was blood. No tests were taken to confirm. Good. But the doctors there all believed that it was blood and said they would testify to say it was blood. Like they were like that was blood. Now, his clothing also matched the description of what everyone said they saw that morning. Was he blonde?

And he had longish brown hair, which was also exactly how it was described. And if you look at the picture of him, it's exactly how the photo has his hair, like, kind of slicked back. Wow. So, he actually ended up cutting his hair once the description of the killer came out. He chopped it off. Okay. He also lived within five kilometers of Bodom. How far is that?

Which is not long. Let's, I believe it's like a half a mile. Oh, shit. Police dismissed him and didn't test his clothes. Why? Now, Detective Maddie Pallerno, I think his name is, thought this guy was responsible for it, and he also thought he was responsible for five other unsolved murders. Jesus Christ.

One of these occurred less than 10 months after the Lake Bodom murders, and it was Kailiki Seri. And it's actually a case that I think we might cover at some point, because it's an interesting one. But people believe that Osman wasn't investigated further because the Finnish government didn't want to piss off the Soviets with their findings, basically. Dr. Jorma Pollo, who was one of the doctors to initially examine him when he came to the hospital, went on to write three books about him and his connections to the murders. Whoa. So they really believed he was part of this. He's a good, he's a good candidate. He's a good candidate. I feel like you know more.

Well, I know you know more. I don't think that you. I have a hunch. You might have an idea. So that's Osman. So the next one is Carl Vladimir. Gilstrom. It was him.

I mean, right? Yeah. This one seems even more likely than Osmond. Well, tell me why. He was known as the kiosk man. Oh, this guy. He ran a kiosk station in Ota. I'm sure I said that, or like Wita.

I'm not sure how you say it. That's fine, you try. Tell me, less than a half a kilometer away from Lake Bodom. And he was like an angry ass dude. Yeah. He was known as aggressive, but not like, oh, that old man is grumpy. as fuck. No. Like, he was really aggressive. He actually

threw fucking rocks at children. Like children that would go by his place, he would throw rocks at them. Jesus. He's a dick. Um, this guy actually particularly hated campers. Which is like, which is very like a, it's a very niche hate. Yeah.

But yeah, he fucking hated campers. He would like throw rocks at them while they were camping. He just like hated campers. Did he feel like it was his lake? It seems like he hated younger people. Oh. A lot of bold people hate younger people. This guy drunkenly confessed to neighbors that he committed the murders and said that he hid the evidence in a well on his property. Why did everyone want to confess to this murder? Well, then a few days after the murders, he filled in the well in his yard and neighbors think this is where the weapons and some of the items that were stolen that weren't found are hidden.

Police have not dug up this well. Why? I don't think they, well, here's why. His wife gave an alibi for him and said he was with him. her in bed all night. She might have been sleeping. Well, police went to his house, questioned him, questioned his wife. They got the alibi.

They didn't find any evidence in his house. They can't just go digging up a well on a hunch. That's true. So they couldn't do it. Well, later, when his wife was on her deathbed, she said he threatened to kill her. If she actually said that he wasn't home that night. So he wasn't home that night. And she said he was not home that night.

and she knows he's the murderer. And she was like, I'm going to die anyway. As she was dying, she was like, I just want to let you know that he threatened to kill me. Conscience. If I said that he wasn't there that night and I know he's the murderer. Whoa. Yeah. Do you think it was him?

I think he's a good, he's my, he's like right. It's tied between two. Okay. And he's a really good candidate because also he confessed up to four times to various people. And ready? Uh-huh. He drowned himself in Lake Bodom in 1969. Depending where you look, it's 1969 or 1972.

But he left a suicide note where he confessed to the murders again. Damn. And he drowned himself in Lake Bodom. I mean, I don't know. That's a pretty good candidate. How do you drown yourself? Like, that's a lot. I guess you, you know what?

I imagine you just drive. You just drive. You just drive there and you'd get done. You do that too, I guess. But I'm assuming you just swim out to the middle of the lake and wade there until you get tired. And eventually you're going to drown because you won't be able to keep yourself above water. Wow, that's horrible. Worst way to go ever.

Yeah. Damn. So that's the third and really likely suspect. But the fourth suspect is. Nils himself, the lone survivor. So poor lone survivors. They always get blamed. I know, but sometimes.

But it wasn't until 44 years later. 2004 that he actually became a suspect. That's wild. He was 63 years old. They're like, you know what, now that we think of it. Yeah, they're like, actually, he was arrested for the murders that year. And he, at that point, he had lived a pretty normal life. He was married. He was raising two children that were adults at that point. Did he ever confess? Nope. And he was retiring from a long career as a bus driver. And so he was just like a normal dude. Yeah. And until that point, he was an innocent guy. So, in

In 2005, the Finnish National Bureau of Investigations actually considered the case closed and Nils to be the prime suspect. Wow. They were like, this is it. It was based on bloodstain analysis. And this new forensic evidence was on Nill's shoes, the ones that were found, you know, 500 kilometers away, half mile away. Forensic scientists found traces of the victim's blood on them, but none of his blood on them. Huh. Which is weird.

That is weird. Because if his blood was on them too, I'd be like, okay. Like, first, it's... I mean, the whole thing is kind of weird because it's like, it was the middle of the night like he wouldn't have his shoes on. Oh, yeah, I didn't even think of that. So, like, why does he have any blood on those shoes? Right.

Unless they were in the tent. But it's also, like, I don't know. Like, it's a very weird thing. So none of it makes sense. But the official statement from the prosecution was saying that they think he erupted in a jealous fit of anger, fueled by drunkenness and teenage hormones. Yeah. Because, okay.

And took it out mainly on his girlfriend, who was the one who received the brunt or everything, which is curious that she's the one that received the most. And he said this is why, you know, she got the most. The other two were just kind of collateral damage. Some claim that it might have been related to her not wanting to sleep with him. Right. Because he's 18. She's 15.

Well, and she was found with her pants off. That's why, exactly. So she was found nude from the waist down, which is a very odd detail. Very odd, because no one else was around that way. Now, this is all conjecture, obviously. But a woman who was camping nearby with her friends, the night of the murders, came out 45 years later and claimed that Nils and Sepo had shown up to her camp site in the middle of the night, aggressive and drunk. But here's the thing.

She came out with this 45 years later. Yeah. And there's literally absolutely no evidence to suggest this happened. She kept quiet about it for that long, and she only came out with it when she was offered an interview for a documentary. And none of it, it just doesn't make any sense. Well, why does that even matter, like even if that did happen? Well, and that's, it's like, I think also, I believe it was Miley who kept a diary.

And she taught, in her diary, they have the day they were there. Oh, wow. And she never mentions that they left the campsite, that the boys left the campsite. Right. To go visit someone else. It doesn't really pan out that part. But in 2005 was when the trial began for Nils. Okay.

They were aiming for life in prison. Damn. And the defense, but the defense said one or more people had to have committed these murders, and Nils was too badly injured to have done it. But he could have inflicted some of those injuries upon. himself after the murders. And the jaw and the jaw fracture and the concussion and the facial bruising could have been as a result of fighting with Sepo.

Right. Like because Sepo was trying to stop it. Because Sepo might have seen him attacking his girlfriend or woke up in the middle of the night to this mayhem and started fighting him off. Nils. Right. And maybe he fractured his jaw. If he punches him in the face, he's going to have facial bruising.

He could have got a concussion if he hit him in the head. Yeah. So once that happened, maybe he did get to kill Anya or Miley, and then the other two were just witnesses, so he had to kill them both. And, I mean, it could happen. It's definitely, it's not really hard to overpower two 15-year-olds. And the 18-year-old, if you can get him down, you're pretty good off. So they, and then he could have just cut his own head and brought his shoes far away. Yeah.

So. I just don't understand why he would bring his shoes far away. Because I think he was trying to stage, because he brought all the wallets and the clothing far away too. So I think he was trying to stage that it wasn't someone in the campsite of somebody outside. Oh. And maybe he knew, because they also said that their shoes were kind of hidden. So he might have been hiding them knowing that their blood was on it. Oh, and not his.

But his wasn't. And then he could have just laid on top of the tent and waited for people to find them. Wow. Now, no DNA at the crime scene belongs to. to anyone but the four people in that crime scene. Oh. There's no outsider DNA. So that's interesting.

That is interesting. Because you also have to think, if you're killing four teenagers brutally, you might get cut. Yeah, for sure. Or hit. Or you're going to leave a strand. I mean, if these people are seeing a blonde guy with long hair working away, that blonde hair is going to shed. For sure. They're going to find some DNA somewhere.

But that's interesting. Actually, blonde people lose the most hair out of anybody. So there you go. I learned that in hair school. Actually, maybe it's redheads. I don't remember. Goodbye. You do it good.

I lose a lot of hair. I think it might have been blondes, though, because I actually lose a ton of hair. I think I've read that somewhere. I think it's blondes that lose the most, and then I think redheads are the next. Oh, okay. So brunettes just get to keep their hair? No, they lose some, but not as much as me and you. Damn it.

Fuckers. So he was initially sentenced to life. prison. So he was found guilty? Yeah. But he only served one year before he had an attorney, no, acquittal. Appeal. Appeal. He had an appeal after one year and he was acquitted in October 2005 due to insufficient evidence. So he only served one year and then he was acquitted. Now, a lot of the evidence was just

too deteriorated to provide a lot. Well, they probably fucked so much of it up. And then on top of being from 1960, like 45 years ago, you know, at that point. They let a bunch of people walk through the time scene. So it's like, come on. Now, when asked about the whole thing by reporters after he was acquitted, he just said, I'm innocent. That's that.

Hmm. Like, you don't have anything else to say? Yeah, like, your girlfriend died. Yeah, like, okay. So a lot of Finnish people remain pretty divided on his guilt or innocence. And actually, again, if we have finished listeners, I want to hear what you guys think. Yeah, for sure. Again, I don't know if we have finished listeners.

We might have no finished listeners. But if you know anyone finished, ask their opinion, because I'm interested. I'm trying to know of the case. To hear. Oh, yeah. It's literally the biggest one in Finland. They all know about it. But I really want to know what you think.

So they're divided on his guilt or his innocence. And in an article by The Guardian from 2005, an ESPO shopkeeper said about the trial of Nils, quote, three generations of children have grown up being told not to stay out late for fear of the Bodom murderer. Whoa. We feel that if it was really Gustafin, which if who's Niels, the police would have charged him a long time ago. Because he would have killed again.

Which, I get that. But, like, I don't think he was a serial killer. He was just, he killed him in a fit of rage if he did it. I think it was, like, a passion kill, or there was some reason, because it was very personal. So, but going back to that sketch that was done when he was under hypnosis, the one that looks like Osman. Does it also look like him? No. Oh.

That would be weird. But now that's. sketch that we're going to put up. You look at it and you're like, that doesn't look like a person. Like it looks like a cartoon. It doesn't look like a real human. It's got huge lips. It's got big bulging eyes. It just has weird, very crazy, like, cartoon-y kind of features. What up with the fucking sketch artists that we're going over lately? But, well, this one actually is right on because a photo was taken of the crowd at the teen's funerals. Yeah. You look at that photo, one face stands out and it is a fucking cartoon face.

No way. That is the exact sketch put in that crowd. It is the scariest looking human. Like, he's dead now, I'm sure. So whatever. Nobody knows who he is. No one was able to identify him. So it's not one of the four suspects.

Well, people say that he looks like Osman, but I think he looks way scarier than Osman. Really? He looks exactly like the sketch. That's so terrifying. To the point where you look at it and you're like, did they photoshop that scary face in that crowd? It also just got really dark.

and hear how creepy is that. It's like, what the hell? I'm not kidding. I'm going to put these up on the Instagram so you guys can have your minds blown because Wow. It's so bizarre. When you look at the sketch, you're literally, that's the sketch. I'm having any show you right now.

Okay. And now find the funeral photo. You were like, that's the sketch. And here's the funeral photo. Oh my God. It's the sketch put into the funeral photo. I literally just got, like I have. Goose bumps.

That's the one that I was telling you. I was going to show you and you were going to like pee your pants. I have good. Look at my leg. Like that's not a, you really do have goosebumps. Holy shit. Like that's not,

like that looks like a cartoon. That doesn't look like a real person standing there. But that is it. Yeah, he has like a bulgin mouth almost. He has like very kind of deformed but very exaggerated features. That's fucking crazy. And this is the funeral?

Yeah, it was at the funeral of the teenager. he happened to be in the crowd. Is that? That's Hans Osman. Oh, it does kind of look like Hans Osman, too, actually. But that guy looks way more. It looks a lot like Hans Osman, in my opinion.

I mean, it looks like him, for sure. He has the bulging eyes. He has the... And I wonder if he got hurt and, like, something happened to his mouth. His jaw there, yeah. Because it does. It looks like his jaw is very dislocated almost. Yeah.

Wow, that's wild. But I'm definitely going to put this up because you guys have to see it. Hashtag live reactions. Right. So, yeah, he looks fake and horrifying. It's scary. Damn. Now, unfortunately, again, like, the police allowing the public to contaminate and destroy

this crime scene. Really fucked up. Anything. They could have got. Kind of puts this case in the place where I don't know if it's ever going to be solved. I really don't see it ever being solved. Well, and most of the suspects are dead now. Exactly.

So it's like, if I had to really pick a suspect, Nils looks really good. good. Was he, who's the one that went to the hospital? That was Osmond. I think it's Osmond. But my second would be the kiosk man. Yeah? Because he admitted it, and he drowned himself in Lake Bodom.

Yeah, that's crazy. And his wife said that she lied for him and that she thinks he's the killer. Did Osmond hang himself? Uh, no, Osmond just went over. Oh, the random guy hung himself? The random guy's too good. So, yeah, we don't count him. But he was just one of the four suspects.

But Osmond just didn't get investigated much further because they were afraid. People think it's because the Finnish government was a little... But then that guy's wife, no, not Nils, the guy's wife who on her deathbed said. That's what I was saying. That's the kiosk man. Yeah, so maybe it was the fucking kiosk man. That's what I'm saying. All of these suspects are actually really good except the first guy.

All three of them are really good. So who do you definitely think? Who's your number one? I'd have to say the kiosk man is my favorite. Because his wife said it and he killed himself. And because he killed himself, he admitted it, he filled in that well. Yeah, there is a lot of evidence there. But Osmond looks like that sketch.

He does. He really does. And the hospital the next day. The hospital visit. And he cut his hair. Yeah. It's just, see, you can't. Yeah. But then you look at Nils.

Why was his blood not on those shoes? That was scary. What was that? I don't know. It wasn't me. It was downstairs, I think. Oh, that's okay. Yeah.

I don't know, man. Like Nils had, his blood wasn't on his shoes. And why was the girlfriend so brutally attacked? Why was the girlfriend so brutally attacked? There's just a lot. See, this is like. This is a good one. It's kind of like the Diet lot where it's like there's so many things that sound like they could be it.

All right, guys, what do you think? Well, there's a, yeah, you guys got to give us to your opinion. We really want to hear it. I want to hear the opinions. When I put up the pictures on Instagram, feel free to go bananas in the comments with your theories. Now, I'm just going to end this on, there's some pop culture moments that are related to this. And I actually wrote pop culture moments Henney, like Jonathan from Quora. Yes, I love him.

I love Jonathan from Quora. Yes, that's awesome. So, this has been referred to as the real Friday the 13th, like, where it's inspiration. But I'm like, and at first I was like, yeah, totally cool. And then I was like, but not though, because it's not. of summer camp. It was just kids killed in a tent. That's true. It also wasn't a serial killer that they know of.

And it also wasn't a woman who was killing people who allowed her son who was deformed to drown in a lake. Yeah. So that's... Very loose. Very loose. But it's just referred to, it's known as that a lot, and I thought it was funny. Now, there is a Finnish metal band from Espo. Oh, okay.

That are named Children of Bodom. which is actually a really cool band name. Children of Bodum. Children of Bodum. And they took their inspiration, their name from this case. They formed in 1993. I don't know what they did.

It's really fucking scary, to be honest with you. So yeah. Yeah, so they took their name from this case, which is a really cool name. Yeah, that is really cool. And they're finished from Espo, where it happened. There's also a 2016 movie called Bodom, known internationally as, Lake Bodom. And it's a Finnish horror film inspired by the case. It's not based on it, but it's inspired. So you know what the fuck that means. Heavy artistic license. Right.

Now, basically, the plot is that a group of four teens go to the spot of the murders to recreate it, and to, like, figure out who the perpetrator is. But, like, I bet if we go and we recreate the whole thing that we'll know who it is. And chaos ensues. Teenagers. But no, I'm not going to give you spoilers or anything. And it's, but it's actually been, compared to Wolf Creek. Oh, wow. So that's kind of funny because we just talked about Wolf Creek in an Australian episode. And Wolf Creek is a fucked up horror movie, so...

I've never seen it. I assume that Bodom or Lake Bodom is a pretty fucked up movie. Let's watch it. It got good reviews and, like, Sundance. Can we watch it? Yeah, I'm sure it has subtitles because it's finished, but we'll go with it. Okay. Ash immediately was like, oh, no.

Never matters. I have to read at the same time. Fuck that shit. So, yeah, that's the Lake Bodom murders. And we want to hear a... what you guys think. Yeah, I want to hear. Because it's a really, it's a tough one to make a real stance on. A lot of people still think Mills did it. I see why they think that. I mean, I hope he didn't. Yeah. Well, I hope. Because I hope he hasn't just, like, lived his life after

this. And I also, if he didn't do it, I feel really bad if you didn't do it. It's like you live through that. And then 44 years later, you get blamed for it. It's definitely wild to me that the wife of the kiosk man said that he did it on her deathbed. On her deathbed. It makes sense that she was so afraid her whole life not to say anything. And it is very interesting that he confessed to it four times and filled up the low. And in his suicide note. And killed himself and Lake Bodom.

Yeah. It's interesting. And that he was just an angry motherfucker. And he hated campers. So it's like, and they had motorcycles. Maybe he was pissed off that they had motorcycles too. Oh, true. Didn't think of that.

So it's like. I don't know, I'm just saying. It's interesting. Let us know what you think. But that sketch looks like Hans-Azman. Oh, the sketch. I can't wait for you guys to see the sketch. The sketch is terrifying.

Yeah, the picture of the funeral is like, it'll blame. That guy, he looks like his face is, like, something happened to his face, for sure. It looks like he's not a real person. Like, it literally looks like a photoshopped a cartoon in the middle of that. Do you think that somebody photoshopped that he was at the funeral? Or do you know? No, they didn't. That's an original photo.

He was definitely there. Yeah, like that. Whoever that is was there. That was just a photo taken. Nobody did anything to it. That's insane. Wow. Yeah.

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