Morbid - The Murder of Dawn Hacheney

Episode Date: June 8, 2023

On the morning of December 26, 1997, police and fire services responded to a call about a structure fire at the home Bremerton, WA home of Nick and Dawn Hacheney. When they were finally able to extinguish the flames and search the home, they discovered the badly burned body of twenty-eight-year-old Dawn Hachney in her bed, where her husband had left her several hours earlier. After a brief investigation, Dawn’s death was determined to be the result of an accidental fire—a tragic end to a short life, nothing more.The case, which most had considered closed years earlier, was revived in April of 2001, when a woman went to Bremerton Police with a startling statement. She claimed to have been having an affair with Dawn’s husband Nick, at the time of Dawn’s death and that, at some point during their affair, he’d confessed to drugging his wife and setting the house on fire to cover up the murder. Investigators took the woman’s claims very seriously; however, Nick Hacheney was a former minister, which added to people's perception of the case. Thank you to the gorgeous, vibrant and talented David White for Research assistanceReferences: Associated Press. 2002. "Former minister on trial in wife's death." The News Tribune, November 11: 16.Baker, Travis. 2003. "Angry words erupt at Hacheney Sentencing." Kitsap Sun, February 8: 1.—. 2002. "Defense presses woman who pointed finger." Kitsap Sun, November 27: 4.—. 2001. "Ex-minister might face life in prison without parole." Kitsap Sun, October 4: 1.—. 2001. "Ex-minister pleads innocent in wife's death." Kitsap Sun, September 18: 1.—. 2002. "Former minister guilty of murdering wife." Kitsap Sun, December 27: 1.—. 2001. "Hacheney denied reduced bail." Kitsap Sun, October 27: 4.—. 2002. "Judge: Jury will hear of alleged wife killer's affairs." Kitsap Sun, February 28: 10.—. 2002. "Pathologist testifies about changing autopsy results." Kitsap Sun, November 13: 3.—. 2002. "Sexual affairs not relevant, attorney argues." Kitsap Sun, February 9: 5.—. 2002. "Trial begins for ex-minister accused of killing wife." Kitsap Sun, November 4: 1.Kitsap Sun. 1997. "Dawn Hacheney Obituary." Kitsap Sun, December 30: 5.McCormick, Julie. 2001. "Former minister suspect in wife's death." Kitsap Sun, September 14: 1.Olsen, Gregg. 2010. A Twisted Faith: A Minister's Obsession and the Murder that Destroyed a Church. New York, NY: St. Martin's Press. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos, I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a huge morbid. Because it's Elena-centric. It's Elena-centric. Boom. This is going to be a big one, guys. I'm excited for this one.

Elena told me what she was going to do right before we just started recording, and I was like, oh, yeah. And I've been meaning to do this one for a while. But I think anybody who's, like, had a true crime podcast or, like, even done, like, research papers or anything, it's like, you really got to just, like, hit it right. You got to be in the mood for a second case. You got to let the case pick you. Yeah, you do. So it's like, this one was just like, it's time. It's time, Elena. We get that question a lot. Like, what's your biggest advice? And actually, I'm going to change my biggest advice right now for if you have a

podcast, let your cases pick you. Yeah, let them pick you. Because if you try to dive into a case that you're not ready for, it's not going to be good. The research isn't going to be there and you're not going to, you're not going to be into it. No, that's what I've learned. That's why my research has gotten better, I think. It's because you're letting them speak to you. Yeah. So what we are going to be covering today is the scream murder, which is the brutal murder of Cassie Joe Stoddard. Like absolutely horrific. This is a rough one. I'm going to be playing a couple of audio clips from the killers and, you know, just a couple of things that make sense in this.

Just want to warn you guys ahead of time that that is going to be happening. But before we jump into this case, we don't have a lot to get through before that because it's is a long one. Not a lot of big mess. Jump right in. We don't really have a lot going on. We have a lot in the works and we can't wait to start telling you guys some fun stuff, but we just want you guys to be like, ready?

It's exciting. We have some exciting things coming down the pike here. We're keeping it close to the chest right now. We are. We are. We are keeping it close to the chest. And one thing we are going to do this coming week is we're going to be doing a quick little update episode on the Lori Vallow case because, as we know, it just keeps unfolding.

and tons of stuff just came out last week. I think what we did the last time was we just added a third episode, a small episode into the week. We're just going to do that. Yeah. There won't be ads in that episode or anything. It's just going to be a little bonus episode for everybody. Right.

It's like a bonus for us to get to talk about it. Exactly. We just feel like if it's going to, you know, this case is going to keep opening up and we might as well keep updating you guys because I know everybody really wants to talk about it. So we'll be doing that. So keep an eye out for that next week. And besides that, that's really all we got before we dive into the case. I'm excited.

Let's do this. Okay. So before I say anything, scream is like one of my favorite movies of all time. Hell yeah. Don't love that these two idiots decided to use it. No. It's like a... Their whole, they're like copying scream or whatever.

It sounds more like the fourth movie than it does the first. Do you agree? Oh, it's definitely. Which is weird because this happened. in 2006? Yeah, so that hadn't even happened yet. I don't even think that movie had come out yet. No, that movie came out when I was in high school. Right. I think I was a junior or a senior. Yeah, that definitely hadn't come out yet. So it's weird that I wonder if... Maybe they borrowed. I wonder. You know what? Hold on. All right, I did a quick look because I hadn't really thought to look

into that before. Thanks, Ash. You're welcome. And I couldn't find anything. I don't really think the people who made Scream Four are going to sit there and be like, yeah, we were totally inspired. Yeah, definitely not. It does. Once we get into it, you guys will see it, it has a lot of elements that fit with it, which it makes sense that, you know, the fourth installment of Scream was going to go that, like, meta route. Right. The whole franchise of Scream is meta as far. Exactly. So it makes sense. And you'll see as we go through how much it kind of like resembles. Obviously, just without the twist ending. Exactly. Yeah, it doesn't have that. I was a little theatrical. So I'm just going to mention a little bit

about Cassie Joe Stoddart. There's not a ton of information about, like, you know, who she was. She was young. Yeah, she was only 16 years old. She was born December 21st, 1989, and Pocatello, Idaho, which Pocatello is such a fun thing to say. Hopefully, saying it right. I don't care if I am.

I'm kidding. But Pocatello. Pocatello is fun to say. Like Pocatello, Idaho. From what I could see, it's a pretty, like, small community. It was, like, heavily Mormon. at one point. I'm not sure if it still is. It has nothing to do with the case. I'm just giving you a background. Just throwing it out there. That's what it's like. It seems like it's a pretty

tight-knit community, very safe. Right. You know, it seems like it's one of those places you're not super worried about things like this happening. That's for sure. Cassie and her brothers and sisters were raised mostly by her grandparents. Couldn't really, I didn't see a lot about like why, but, you know, everybody has their reasons. It happens. So by all accounts, she was very artistic. She loved drawing. She loved music. Anything creative.

She was very creative. She liked to act, like was totally into that stuff. She played soccer. Her brother described her as headstrong, really smart and kind. And he said he looked up to her, even though they were only a year and a half apart. Oh. Yeah. And he said they felt like more like twins, but he like looked up to her.

Right. Which I'm like, that just hurts my heart. I know. That's sweet. She attended Pocatello High School. She was a junior when this happened. She was a straight-A student. She had everything going for.

She was beautiful. She sounds like so well-rounded to be into art and soccer and this and that. And a straight-A student. Right. Like, damn, girl. Yeah. And she's really pretty, you know, like long, beautiful brown hair, like a awesome smile. Like, she just, she was like the whole thing.

The whole thing. She was the whole thing. She had a boyfriend at the time of five months, named Matt Beckham. He's going to, he doesn't play a role in the thing, but like he's part of the whole situation. So then we're going to talk about two guys that she went to school with and two guys that were, I mean, her friends. They were not like best friends.

They were like more like acquaintances. They were acquaintances, but they like hung out sometimes. And they were friends with her boyfriend as well. Yeah, that's why they hung out. Yeah, it seems like it was they had known each other for a while. They all went to school together forever. You know those kind of people. Right.

First, we're going to talk about the killers. Tori Adamchick and Brian Draper. Okay. So Brian Draper was adopted. By all counts, everything I could find, there wasn't really anything like of note in his upbringing or anything that would point to this. He had a crush on Cassie for a while. He was friends with her again, but she wasn't into, you know, his dumbass. So, and she had a boyfriend at the time, Matt, so she just wasn't into it.

Right. You know, like, well, and Matt was his friend. Yeah, exactly. So she's, and you know what? Not everybody likes you, right? It's just the way it is. Brian, unfortunately, like, you know, because you think about it and you're like, as a kid, it's like, this sucks that he just felt inherently like a loser.

Yeah. And I think that was just something that was like innately in him that he just didn't, he felt like an outcast all the time. That's definitely sad. The kid, you say like, as a kid, you're like, that's a bummer as a kid. as the 16-year-old, get the fuck over it and don't murder someone. Well, that as the murderer, yeah. Exactly. But, like, when you think of, like, a kid thinking that way, you're like, that's a bummer.

Yeah. So, he just felt like a loser and outcast. His closest friend was Brian. Right. Excuse me. His closest friend was Tori. I was going to say, I thought we were talking about Brian. Sorry.

He was his closest friend. He was his own. He probably was his closest friend, to be honest. But, no, Tori was his closest friend, obviously. Together, they had a super thing for movies. They considered themselves movie buff. movie critics. I mean, they were, they were those kids. You're 16. Which like, I, that resonates with you. I get that. Like, I worked at a movie store when I was like 16. That also reminds me so

much of your nephew, my little cousin. Yes, exactly. And everybody's like, wait, I thought you were sisters. What? So, uh, and it's, it kind of reminds me of like Randy from Scream. Yes. Yep, yep, yep. Like, you know, super into the movies can tell you everything about it, relates it to real life all the time. Well, and Scream 4, Charlie and Robbie. Exactly. And they very much are like that. Like, it's spot on. It really is. So they really loved, of course, especially horror movies. Because you're in high school.

And it's insane. I was going to say. I mean, I'm 34. That's my favorite kind of. I just mean, like, that's when you, like, get into it, I feel like. Exactly. Or if you're like, you know, the weird ones, you see, you know, Stephen King's sleepwalkers when you're like 10. Yeah. Or if you're me, Elena just shows you everything when you're like seven. Yeah. Well, so, you know, there's a lot to say about, like, you know, people will look into the psychology of, like, what horror movies do for violence in real life and all that craziness. Look it up because I can tell you right now, no study can tell you which either way, what happens.

To me, everything I've read and everything I've just, like, by my own, like, psychology stuff, I've, what I see is that it's not, it goes right back to the. the nurture versus nature thing. If you're going to say that horror movies create these things, then you're saying that it's all nurture and it has nothing to do with nature. Right. And I think it's always nine out of ten times I think it's a balance of the two. Exactly. And I think it's like if you already, if you're going to kill someone, you already have that

in you. That's in you. That's something that needs to be nurtured. Exactly. Maybe you take horror movies and because you're already predisposed to that way of thinking, You take it as like, oh, I could do that to someone. But it has nothing to do with the horror movie. It has to do with you as a person.

The horror movie is nurturing your already murderous nature. Exactly. And so it's that they were, like I said, they were specifically into the Scream franchise. That was their thing. And they wanted to make this whole thing like another scream movie. That was their idea. So going back to, you know, do.

horror movies create, you know, psychos, basically. I have to, I have to defer to Billy Loomis from Scream One. Oh my God, I love you. You know, movies don't create psychos. Movies make psychos or create a lot. So I love Scream. I remember watching it in 1996 when it came out the year that Ash was born. Hey. I remember watching it when I was like seven and being like, this is a good flick. I didn't get to see it in theaters because I was two years. young. Because you were 10. Sure was. But I remember with my best friend Lindsay, I remember renting it on the sly somehow. I don't even, we used to, we used to slide horror movies

past mile all the time. Well, I was going to say, because that was like the blockbuster days when you could get like four movies and like sneak it in the bunch. Oh yeah. We would go to Hollywood video. One time we snuck children of the corn because we told her the sickle on the front of it was a, was a crescent moon. And it was about fairies. And she was like, that's delightful. You should buy that. And then I didn't sleep for like three days. That's delightful. So we got that pastor. And I remember watching it and being like, I love this. And I watched it and was like, it was almost inspiring to me.

Like I was like, this is so creative. Like this idea that, you know, Kevin Rich, Kevin Williamson and West Craven had of like making it like make fun of horror movies. But not make fun. So meta. So meta. But at the time you didn't even know it was meta. Like, you know what I mean? You didn't even.

Right. And I remember looking at it and being like, I want to do something like that. Like, I want to make something creative like that. Like, I want to have that kind of brain. You were, you were inspired by the artistic side of it. Exactly. Not the, like, homicidal part of it. And that's the thing.

It's like, of course different people are going to look at films like that and take different things from them. Based on their psyche. Who you are as a person. Right. If you're already a psycho, you're going to take that from it and you're going to do what these guys did. But it's their fault.

It's not the movie. And it's kind of like how we discussed with the Jenny Jones show. It was his whole. fault. He's a murderer. Right. But I think people miss the part where we said that. Exactly. Definitely. But you look and you say, does it play a role? Sure, it does. But it also has to be in in the person conjunction with that person already being an evil person. Exactly. So there it is. I need, you know, I just needed Billy Loomis to help me explain that all. Just had to. So like I said, they were into the Scream franchise, but Brian in particular had a really, you know,

fascination with the Columbine school shooting. Now, like, when you say that, it's like, okay, I understand being fascinated by it, but he took it to like another level. Well, that's, because I'm fascinated by true crime, obviously. I don't know if you guys know this for like 157 episodes in, but fascination is one thing. Obsession and admiration is a totally different thing. Yeah, and he wasn't just fascinated. What Brian had was an admoner. And an envy towards Dylan Clebold and Eric Harris, the two turds that did it. Strange. He wanted to be infamous like them because he said, you know, they were outcasts and they got their comeuppance.

They put the middle finger to the people who made them feel that way. But in reality, do you want it like that? Yeah. And if you really look into Columbine, they were just assholes. Like it had nothing. Like they were raised up as these like outcasts, you know, like putting their. middle finger to the leg. And it's like, no, they weren't actually. Like, they actually were just dicks. Right. I was going to say, they actually came out that that wasn't the truth at all.

Yeah, they're not the heroes to the outsiders. That's not what they are. And, but Brian saw it that way, that they were the heroes to the outcasts and the weirdos. At the time, it was like highly publicized like that. Oh, it sure was. Yeah. And, you know, again, if you are someone who wants to murder someone, you're going to find a way to see a murderer as somebody to be admirable. It's just going to be, you know, it's going to validate your own feelings. You got to spin your own tail. Exactly. So they both decided together, Tori and Brian, that they were going, they were like, you know what,

we want to start killing people. Great. They just literally were like this, we just want to do this. It's so insane to me that especially in high school, people like this find each other. Yeah. Like it's bananas. There was no trigger to this. Like it wasn't a, it wasn't like, oh, we've been bullied and we've had enough.

And like, you know, not that that's okay. But I mean, like, you know, You can't point to anyone's thing that happened here that you're like, oh, maybe like that triggered something in their brain. Right. They just literally were like, do you want to kill a lot of people? And like the other one was like, yeah. Well, it's like Billy Loomis says it's scarier if there is no motive. Exactly.

Billy is just going to explain his way through this case. Billy Loomis is shedding wisdom upon this right now. And he's a fake character, so I can say that. I was going to say. But yeah. So they wanted, you know, Brian really wanted to be like the Columbine shitheads and he was like, let's do that. Let's do this mass murder. Tori was like, no, I'd like to make this more like scream. I want to make it like personal. I want to be like, in his mind, he's like I want to be like Billy Loomis and I want to be like this cool witty. Like I want to have like the hair tendrils in my face. Like, you know, I want all that. Can I like say this? I, you can take it out if you want. But I feel like they like presented like power points to each other. Oh, yeah.

Like, this is what I want. Yeah. Because they both wanted two very different ways of going about this, which shows, like, how different they, their thought processes were. Because they were both evil. They both wanted to hurt and cause destruction and chaos and death. Just in different levels. But one of them wanted to do it with a big blaze of glory. Right.

What he sees as a big blaze of glory. And then the other one wanted to do it more for, like, more for the show. That's what he was like for. He wanted to be jazzy about it. like, I'd like to be in a movie. So it's like that they saw it as very different ways. It's, it's interesting. Yeah. But they ended up deferring to Tories and they were like, you know what, we'll do it the scream way. Right. And Tory, the way he saw it was, you know, he was like, we can, you know, film ourselves. We're going to like document this. And he was like,

and what we can do is we can like dress up. And his idea was, I think like Brian, you know, going for the Columbine method was to scare people as they go. But Tory really wants. wanted the theatrics of scaring the shit out of his victim. Let of just one person. To him meant like in scream, the ghost face outfit is the initial, that's the scare. Like you're fucking terrified. You see that. You're like, what the fuck?

He wanted that. So he was like, we can wear a mask. We can make this exactly like that. Like get that initial scream. So they were, people who went to high school with them said that they were always filming, like just day-to-day interactions. They were always interviewing people and just would like put the camera down and just like film them just having a discussion. It's so funny that they could do that because I feel like now in school you would not ever be allowed to do that.

Yeah, I mean, I wonder because I mean, I'm so far out of school. So I have. Well, things are so you can't do like anything in school anymore. But I remember like we used to have like I loved filming everything. Yeah, you always went everywhere with your fucking pink digital camera and your little handheld black video camera from Papa. Exactly. I always, oh, and I have. And you used to like edit movies and put them together of like you and your friends. Yeah. I was like super, like very into that stuff. I used to sit for like hours on my computer and edit it together with like music and all that. Because we used to go to like ghost hunts and like these old abandoned like, you know, psychiatric hospitals around. We used to film that and it was like. You used to film going through the Wendy's drive through ordering a strawberry shake. We filmed every or I filmed every. thing. And I'm glad I did because it's fun to look back on now and be like, that's funny. But it's just funny to think of like, I could have, I was probably looked at as weird.

Yeah. Which is fine. I probably would have thought you were real weird. I was such a dick. Because I had my black camera everywhere. So, but they did this. So they would do this. Right. They were, they talked often about how they wanted to make their own horror movie. They were writing a script. You know, it was, it was a well-known thing that they wanted to do this. They wanted to make, which is great. That part, you're like, yeah. Well, and people were probably like, cool. Like, that's, it's kind of be a movie, which is like maybe fake. Well, and channel your energy into that.

Channel it into that. But before the murder, they had been videotaping themselves discussing the murder and killing people. In fact, in school, in class, they were sitting with a camera, sitting on the desk in front of them, and they were discussing how they were going to go about it. Because they had decided now that they were doing this. It's so wild. Like, where were the teachers or the classmates? Like, where were the people? Well, that's, so people would hear them and they'd say, we're discussing the horror movie. We're discussing what, like, our script. You got to look into everything.

And people were just like, okay, because they're not thinking they're just sitting there openly talking about killing people. My ass would have been like, you guys are going to guidance. Right? So, at the end of August 2006, Tori ended up calling up a guy named Joe Lacerro, and he was an 18-year-old kid. this guy, Joe. They were 16 at the time. And he asked him if he would buy some knives for them at a pawn shop. Now, Tori apparently, according to like an anonymous student, had like a knife collection. He likes collecting knives. That's just something I like to do. So I don't think this rang too many. Well, it's like a very teenage boy thing to do. And because Joe was 18, he could buy them at the pawn shop and Tori and Brian couldn't. And maybe he had done it for him in the past like for his

collection or something. Yeah, you don't know. So along with Brian, Tori, And Tori and this guy, Joe, went together to the pawn shop. Brian took out $45 at an ATM, and they ended up buying four knives. I didn't realize you had to be 18 or 18 to buy knives. Yeah. Well, it's just at a pawn shop. I didn't realize that. And so one of the videos, there's a lot of videos that were released.

The court transcripts are released. They transcribed the whole video. So these are like directly from, you know, court transcripts. This is full real. This is full real. So September 21st, 2006, at 8.05 p.m., the two boys, Adam Chick, and Draper are sitting in their car, and Tori, Adam Chick is driving. And Brian Draper is filming from the passenger seat. Okay.

Which, again, watching these videos, I was like, this is so fucked because it's like, I used to do this. I used to film, like, my friend Lindsay used to be the one that drove all the time. Yep. And you were always in the passenger seat. Filming her and we'd be talking about stupid shit and not this shit. No. Very different shit. Here's what they say. So Brian says, we're going for a high death count.

Oh, good. And Tori says, plus, we're not going to get caught, Brian. If we're going for guns, we're just going to end it. We're just going to grab the guns and get out of there and kill everybody and leave. Like, where do you think you're going to fucking go? Brian says, we're going to make history. We're going to make history. And Tori says, for all you FBI agents watching this, and Brian starts laughing, which first of all,

wow you really think fbii agents are going to watch this fucking dumbass video that you filmed yeah hate to break it to you they're not it's not gonna get that far because all those prosecutors like you're giving them exactly what they need you're just you're just not that interesting no you're just dumb and performative so all they would really do is be like oh this is really bad acting so right bye so tory says uh he says uh for all these FBI agents watching this uh you weren't quick enough and then laughs oh god like come on Like the FBI, like it's like Agent Holden sitting there being like, Damn it!

We got to catch these two. They're going to cost so much. It's like, no. Like this is, you weren't quick enough. What? What? Like no one cares about you guys. It doesn't make any sense.

And Brian says you weren't quick enough and you weren't smart enough. And we're going over to, and it says it is redacted. It says Jane Doe One's house. This was somebody who they didn't end up killing, but they tried to. Oh, I didn't know that part of this. Oh, they went, they had several people. They had about, I think it's. It's like eight or nine.

Oh, shit. That they were planning on killing, but that it just didn't work out that they were home alone. So these people got... Cassie, unfortunately, was just wrong place, wrong time. I almost just said that, too. Yeah, it's upsetting. So they say, we're going to snoop over there and see if she's home alone or not. This is Jane Doe 1.

Oh, my God. I never realized this part. And if she's not home, splat. She's dead. Okay, boys. So Tori said, don't put your humor into this, Brian. And Brian said, I'm not putting any humor into it. Yep, people will die and memories will fade.

And Tori said, memories will fade. Hmm, I wonder what movie you got that from, Brian. And Brian says, myself. And Tori laughs. And Brian says, that was from myself. And Tori says, no wonder it was so lame. Like, you two are the dumbest. You guys are having a weird, like, argument while you're on your way to go kill somebody.

Well, no wonder it was so lame? You're both so lame. Are you kidding me? Like, you're sitting here being like, F-E-I it's much in this. Like, fuck off. Right. You are not cool. You are not interesting. You are dumb as fuck. And that's what I have to say about that. And it's like, no wonder Cassie didn't give either one of you the time of day. Right. Because she was 100,000 times better than you. So then we go to another one, which is September 21st, 2006 at 808 p.m. Now, this is only a

couple of days before the murder of Cassie Joe Stoddardt. They went somewhere else. They were sitting in their car again. It was a 1994 geo and again, Brian's filming from the passenger seat in Tori is driving. Yeah. So Tori says, in this part, I just had to put this in there because it just showcases how stupid they are and how they're trying to be so performative and theatrical and be very like Billy Loomis and Stu Mocker. Like they're trying to be very witty and like, you know, someday they're going to show these films and everybody's going to be like, whoa, what cool guys. You know what I mean? Like, and it's like, meanwhile, it's. It's secondhand embarrassment, how dumb and fucking lame they are. What did he say? So Tori says, the point I'm making is, we are also taught that things like killing people and

other things is wrong. The only thing it's wrong about it is because it's breaking the law. And the law is only wrong. And then he mumbles and, like, can't finish his sentence because he didn't plan out his fucking monologue. Because this doesn't make any sense anyways. And Brian says, natural selection, dude, natural selection. That's all I got to say.

That's not natural selection, though. Honey baby sweetie pie. That's not how that works, Brian. No. That's not natural selection. I was going to say, this is not natural. When you murder people, you're selecting. It's not natural. That's not nature. Nature is not selecting. That's you for more advantageous traits. That's not how that is. Actually very unnatural. That's very unnatural. You're wrong. That's a muse song, unnatural selection. Like you are so dumb. So dumb. It's just natural selection. It's like you saying that makes me. As soon as he said that, I'm like, oh, you're trying so hard. And then...

And then... Tori says, there should be no law against killing people. I know it's wrong, but... And then Brian says, natural selection. And I'm like, oh, stop, though. Meanwhile, he just said, like, killing people's only wrong because the law says it is, but the law shouldn't be there because it's wrong. I know it's wrong, but it's not wrong.

But it's not wrong. And then Tori says, hell, hell, you restrict somebody from it, they're just going to want it more. And then Brian says, exactly. Goodbye, camera. Goodbye camera Goodbye Brian You're rotting in fucking prison now Can you imagine

Being that dumb Oh just watching these I was like I'm so glad Both of you are just rotting Which spoiler alert They're rotting in prison right now Yeah that's not even a spoiler alert That's just like a just so you can sit through the rest of this

Hold on to this This is almost like a BTK level of like disgust I have for these two Because I feel like it's a little It's a little worse It's a different kind of distress It's a modern it's a modern BTCK. It's a modern disgust that I have. I like that. Modern disgust. Modern disgust. Good band name. I call it. Great band name. Called it.

Got to add that to the list. If anybody has a list of the band names we have said. Yeah. Can you send that over? Because we called them. You can't have them. And I want them. I need to know. So then we have another one. It says September 21st, 2006, the same night. This is around 8.15 p.m. They're in the car. Again, Tori's driving. Brian is filming from the passenger seat. Brian says, my friends too pussy to go investigate, turn here. And then Tori says, too smart, you mean? Okay. I don't mean that.

He was like, nope. And then they start talking about, you know, like, you know, turn right, turn left. Why aren't you going down here? Why are you going so slow? Like, they're just starting to bicker with each other. I'm like, are you guys even friends? Are you okay? Like, are you good?

Is everything right? Do you need to talk? Right. And so then they say, so then Brian says, now we're going to go over. Cassie and Matt's house. Cassie and her boyfriend. And this was the night before. This was the night before. And then they say, if they're home alone, we're gonna,

and Torrey cuts him off and says, it's Cassie's house. Matt is there. And so it sounds to me like Tori gets very annoyed with Brian a lot and is like that friend that's like, shut the fuck up. They actually hate each other. If you listen to them talk, you'd be like, do you, you don't like him. Have you seen those memes lately where it's like, did you have that like friend in high school that absolutely hated you and ruined your life?

but you were still friends, or are you normal? That's exactly. It sounds like Tori was that friend of Brian. Yeah. Like, no giving Brian any credit because he's also a dick. If I think about some of the friends that I had in high school, I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Like, oh, there it is. We've all been there.

So Brian says Matt is there. Sorry, we're going to go knock on the door. We'll see who's there. We'll see if the parents are home or not. If they're home alone, we'll leave our way and then we'll come back in about 10 minutes. We'll sneak in through the door because chances are they're probably in Cassie's room. so we'll sneak in the front door, we'll make a noise outside, and then Tori says, and Matt will come out to investigate. I love how they, this proves to me that they are truly, like, stupid enough to be influenced by, like, anything they see.

Right. Because they're being like, and Matt will come out to investigate. It's like, no, people do that in movies, you idiot. Well, that's the thing. Nobody comes out and says, hello, is anyone there? Like, that doesn't really happen in real life. I do that. Like, that's not a thing.

I don't say, like, hello? investigate. And Brian says, we'll kill him and we'll scare the shit out of Cassie, okay? And Tori says, sounds like fun. And then Brian says, stay tuned. Oh, no. So same night, 836, so a little while later, same thing in the car. And Brian says, we found our victim and sad as it may be, she's our friend. But you know what? We all have to make sacrifices. Our first victim is going to be Cassie stoddard and her friends. So they're literally sitting there being like, it's our friend, but you know, we got to kill someone. It's like, that's not your friend at all. I'm like, you don't know what a friend is if it slapped you in the face. Well, I'm like, you guys aren't even

each other's friends. You aren't friends. Right. You hate each other. Tori says, so then Tori yells at another car for having bright lights on. Okay. And Brian says, we'll let you, we'll find out if she has friends over. If she's going to be alone in a big dark house in the middle of nowhere, and then he laughs and says, how perfect can you get? I mean, like, holy shit, dude. So they're just, they're loving this. And Tori says, now this is the Tori that we're going to find out later, and his dumbass parents are sitting there being like, I didn't have anything to do with this. It was all Brian. Right. Tori responds to that with, I'm horny just thinking about it. It's like, you didn't have anything to do with that? Really, motherfucker?

Like the thought of killing somebody gets you going? Sounds, if you're, if you're talking about getting erection from it, it sounds to me like you're involved. Right. I don't know. That's just me. I don't have a penis to say so, but I feel like you need to have some involvement in it, emotionally or otherwise. Yeah. So like, fuck off, Tori.

Elena, hates everything. Hate this dude. So then Brian says, hell yes. So we're going to fucking kill her and our friends and we're going to keep moving on. And then he says, I heard some news about. and it says Jane Doe 2. So another person that they were going to kill. And he said, she's going to be home alone from 6 to 7.

So we might kill her first and then drive over to Cassie's thing. Scare the shit out of them and kill them one by fucking one. Hell yeah. Oh, my God. And they're talking to the camera about this. Right, like you can see their faces. Like, just talking about their night. This is what we're going to do.

Why don't you post away messages along the way, too, just to really drive the point home? Well, and Tori says, why one by one? Why can't it be a slaughterhouse? Are you okay? No, he's not. Like, Tori, are you all right? Like, Tori, come on. Come on.

I didn't have anything to do with it, but why can't it be a slaughterhouse? Why one by one? And it's like, why that, what? How, like, why can't it be a slaughterhouse? Because it's not a slaughterhouse, Tori? Because there's, it's a home. That's why you can't have it be a slaughter. Fuck off, Tori.

It just doesn't make any sense. And then Brian says two by two and three by three. Now it's apparently a nursery round. I don't know where we've come from. You're saying that one of these girls is home alone. So that's, that equals one. One. Then there's like Cassie and maybe Matt.

So that's two. And there's two of you. So you're going to probably kill them one. Like this. And your plan doesn't even make any sense. He's like, why does it have to be one by one? It's like, oh, I don't know, Tori. Because you don't have anything but a knife on you.

Right. What do you think you're going to do? Create something that like flies around you and just kills everybody all at once. You have a knife. You guys. You guys think that. you can do each of them alone? Yeah.

Like you can take somebody down. Like, wow. No. You really, like the height of hubris, I will say. Well, this is where it just like, again, is so embarrassing for them. And that's why I'm reading these things because this is embarrassing for them. This is not painting them in any kind of charming, witty, like any light. I'm sure everybody could agree.

Like, they sound fucking stupid and performative as fuck. So they say, you know, two by two or three by three. And then Brian says, because we've got to keep it classy. What is like, what? And Tori says, keep it classy. Keep what, keep what clap? Keep murder classy? I'm confused.

You say that, but I don't think you know what that means. Like, keep it classy. Gotta keep it classy. When you're murdering. To me, it sounds like two, like bozos sitting in a car, trying to talk big and tough. Saying the most cliche things they could possibly think of. And literally have no ad living. skills what they cannot riff for fucking the life of them don't understand a yes and so the first thing they

do is just like what have i heard before keep a classy you know like like it is what it is like it like what it is like what it's like what that has nothing to do with what say la v but okay like sure like a pie in the sky i don't like it's like what you have nothing to do with that the answer marching in hurrah that's what they should say that's literally as like Like, that's closer to what is happening. Bring around the rosy, am I right? You know, pockets full of posy, you know what I'm saying? Ashes.

So, Brian says, so yeah, it's going to be extra fun. And then Tori says, Extra fun. Tori says, you're evil. And then laughs. And Brian says, yes, I am. So are you, dude, evil, evil. Evil.

Evil. And then he twitches. No, evil is an expression of God. That was another test you failed. He's like, also I fucking hate you. So Brian says evil is not an expression of God. And Tori says, yes, it is. And Brian says, that's bullshit.

And you know it. So they start fighting with each other. And then the camera, like, falls to the ground because they're fist fighting. And then they started talking about what Satan is and where Satan came from. And Tori is very high. Tori is that kid, too, that's like, I talk like this. And let me tell you, I'm so intelligent and articulate. Oh, God.

But nothing is coming out of his mouth. Right. He's using words and sounding mildly intelligent at times. And he's probably just repeating the same word and talking in circles. He's saying stupid shit. like evil is an expression of God. And then being, then when you're like, please elaborate, he's like, well, purple. He's like, purple monkeys eat bananas when they eat a peanut butter sandwich.

And that's expressive. And like I said, God. Sighton. And it's like, okay. Evil. And certain dumbasses will be like, wisdom. That was wisdom. But it sounds like Brian was like, eh, bullshit.

And then they just start arguing with each other. And you're like, okay. So then they get to the point where Brian says, okay, we're bad. We're not evil. Because now he's, all right, you've convinced me. And then Tori's like, bad to the bone. And then Brian says, bern-na-na-na-na-a-da-da-da. Well, and he says, so we're bad.

And Tori says, yeah, we're bad. And then Brian comes back and says, that sounds so shitty. It does. And then Tori says, we're evil. That sounds even shittier. So now they can't even decide what to call themselves. This is the level we are working with people. We're malicious.

We are working with that they can't even decide whether to call each other bad or evil. And then Brian says, hey, we're not okay. Then we are six, then we're six psychopaths who get their pleasure off killing people. And Tori says, that sounds good, baby. Wait, there's six psychopaths? No, there's six psychopaths. Oh, oh, I was like, I thought there was only two of them. I'm like, now they're confused about how many there are.

And this is when they get even dumber. I feel like, I mean, obviously they had to be, like, psychopathic to kill somebody. Yeah. But it's like, I feel like they wanted to be, like, like, like. Oh, no, they want to be so many things. Right. And they're, they're shoehorning themselves into their ideas of what cool, quote, unquote, killers from movies look like. Right.

And that's what they think real life is. So they're like, oh, we're going to be cool. This is really insane. Yeah. So then Brian says, we're going to be murderers. Like, let's see. And then for a second, you're like, oh, you can't even name a real murderer, can you? Like, that's how ill-prepared you are for this lifestyle.

You can't even name another one. And he says, Ted Bundy, like the Hillside Strangler. Like the two most notable that you could name. There were two Hillside Stranglers. Right. It's not just one. Right. So you failed.

You're doing great, sweetie. Keep going. Well, and also like name a serial killer, Ted Bundy. Yeah. Really. And then Tori just goes, no. And Brian says, the zodiac killer. Oh, oh, another one.

And then Tori says, those people, and ready for like this, we're so cool. Tori says those people were more amateurs compared to what we're going to do. Oh. We're going to be more of higher sources of Ed. Geen. Can't think of it. And then Brian says, Gein. And Tori says, Geen.

Oh my God. This gets worse. Now, here's what's funny to me. It's like, okay, so Ted Bundy and the Hillside Stranglers, two of the worst, but definitely. 100%, or excuse me, three of the worst. Two of the worst. And now you're being like, no, we're going to be up on Ed Gein level. And it's like, well, if you knew anything, you'd have to kill your mom.

Well, not kill your mom. Killed like a couple people. Not that that's like not terrible. but it's like, Ted Bundy killed like dozens and dozens of people in horrific ways. One of a second, are you guys going to start like robbing graves and wearing skin? That's the thing. I'm like, so wait, now we've turned. So now do you only want to kill a couple of people? Maybe. Right. And then use their skin as lampshades. Like that's- Because you're confusing your serial killers here. Yeah. Like read up if you're going to, if you're

going to start spouting this shit out. I think they just knew the names and they were like, for sure they did. Notable serial killers. And they were like, Ed Gein's a big one right? And it's like, Yeah, but not for the reasons that you're thinking of. Like, not body count, if that's what you're talking. Yeah. Like, if we're really talking about that. If we're talking bodies. And then they start talking about, like, you know, wait, was he the one that saw a girl walking down the street?

And he just decided to do it. Like, they're literally trying to figure out, like, wait, was that the right one? Yeah. So then at the end of it, Brian says, murder is power. Murder is freedom. Goodbye. Oh, God. Murder isn't freedom because you are rotting in jail for the rest of your life.

You actually get locked up. So do you feel free, Brian? Yeah. And they were saying, he actually confused Ed Gein with Ed Kemper as well. Tori says, oh, he was the one that saw a girl walking down the street and said, two questions came to his head. Hmm, I could take her out and have a nice time with her. And then Brian says, and then kill her, skin her alive. No.

No. None of that, actually. Didn't say that at all. And then Tori says, charm the pants off her. Or I wonder what her head would look like on a stick. Are you okay? So they're just like, do you need multiple choice? And I'm like, did you just open the encyclopedia of serial killers and then just like speed read really quick and then just be like, ble?

You want to do that thing on like how to be a millionaire where it's like 50-50? Like what? You good? Like you're bad at this. It's not okay. You've combined. You guys should have listened to episode three of Edward Keper. Don't combine your eds.

No. Don't do it. No. Figure out your eds. Well, there's Edward and then there's Ed. Edmund. Oh, fuck. You just fucked it up.

I did. Am I all right? There's an Edmund. this ed game and you know i'm embarrassed for myself right now they fucked it up edward edward temper this edward i'm all right so then we come to the night of the murder september 22nd 2006 um this is them in the they're sitting or excuse me it wasn't the night i'm sorry it was the day of the murder okay um this was somewhere around noon time they're in school they're sitting at a table in school in an actual classroom they have the table in front of them i'm sure the you know

it's high school. There was plenty of times where you were in a class and like they just had you do some busy work. Yeah. Like there's no actual instruction. You had a substitute teacher. Your teacher was in a meeting. Exactly. So they're sitting at the table. The camera's facing them on the table. And then you can tell they're like crouched down to be in frame first of all. And also like they're looking around like darting their eyes around like making sure no one's listening to them because remember they're simultaneously so brave and complete fucking. turds. And also talking about murder and broad daylight. So Brian says, hopefully this will go smoothly and we can get our first kill done and keep going. They're talking about this in class.

How did nobody hear this? And then Tori says, for you future serial killers watching this tape. Like this is going to be a how-to that the FBI is going to release? Because you think the FBI is even going to watch this in the first place. The fact, like I got to give it to him, the confidence on this kid. Like somebody's going to actually upload this to YouTube in the future. The FBI are going to watch this and be stumped. And also future serial killers, they're going to be like, you know. Those 16-year-old guys. I got to find that dumbass kid's tape where he confuses 16 serial killers.

And he's got to teach me how to do it because, like, wow. And so they start laughing, like, giggling with each other. Oh, God. And then Tori says, hopefully we don't have. He said, hopefully you. He's talking to future serial killers. Yeah, the viewer. You know.

Hopefully you don't have like eight or nine failures like we've had. Oh, God. And Brian says, yeah, we've probably tried like maybe 10 times and they've never been home alone. And you think people are going to watch this and be like, oh, I got to do it like they did. And be like, you guys really got this down to a sign. And it's like, oh, you're so brave. They weren't home alone so you couldn't go in. Yeah.

Well, and then towards. I mean, I'm sad they didn't. Or when they have been home, their parents show up. Which I'm like, Jesus Christ. Can you? The amount of girls. or maybe guys too because they don't, they all seem to be Jane Doe.

Well, I was going to say, most of them said Jane Doe yet, but all these girls who were like this close. Potential. Well, it's like in Scream when her parents come home and they're like right there and you're like, oh my God. And in the movie, and she can't get to the, like, she can't say anything. And I'm always like, throw that giant 90s phone at your mom and make it sound.

But she'd been stabbed at that point, like really hard. Yeah, but she could have thrown it. I don't. Come on, Drew Barrymore. You could have thrown it. I'm just, or bang it against the porch and make noise. That's true. Yeah, just make some noise.

She could have done that. See? We're all right. You're, what is it called? You're the final girl. I am the final girl. I'm totally a final girl. I'm a first kill girl. You are.

You are. Blonde. Screams. Yeah, you really are. Trendy. You're going to die. Well, and then this is the part where up until now, it's all been discussion and it's been stupid.

Failure. And it's all been things that we can make fun of. of because nothing has happened yet. Now we're going to get to the serious part. It's serious because now we've gotten to the point where it is no longer this hypothetical thing that these two idiots are just talking about. They're now the next thing that, because even now they're talking about how they've missed opportunities because people have shown up, parents have shown up.

Right. And you're like, yeah, that's fucked in what we know now. But at the time you could be like, you're just dumb. Like this is not, you're just talking. Right. This is all talk. You're talking shit. Well, then Brian looks into the camera.

Oh, no. And he says, as long as you're patient, you know, and we were patient, and now we're getting paid off because our victim's home alone. So we got her. Our plan all worked out now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry Cassie's family, but she had to be the one. We have to stick with the plan and she's perfect. So she's going to die.

And then they both laugh. In the middle of class, I can't. I can't believe that not one fucking person heard about it was concerned. that piece of shit to look into that camera and go, sorry Cassie's family. I can't even imagine her family how they feel knowing that that little shit turd look dead in the camera and said, whoops, sorry. Well, and the one sitting next to him wants to claim that he had nothing to do with it. I'm like, then why were you sitting there the whole time?

Exactly. Why didn't you tell somebody you did have something to do with it? No, you both are equally. Equally as fucked. So September 22nd, 2006, the same. same day. This is the day that Cassie Joe Stoddart was murdered. So Cassie had agreed to house it for her aunt and uncle. Yeah. And it was like a big nice house. The home was in a place called Whispering Cliffs,

which doesn't sound real at all. No, it really doesn't. But apparently it is. What's the town in Scream? What's it called? Shit. I know. Westboro. Westboro. Westboro. Westboro. Yeah. And yeah. So, So, it's Westboro, right? It's West something. I'll look it up while you talk. It's Borough. Okay.

Shit. I can't believe I can't remember that. That's like revoking my horror card. Wantsboro? I can't remember. Well, Woodsboro. Woodsboro. I was going to say, I knew it was creepier.

And I knew West didn't make sense, but I was like, there's a burrow and a W. Woodsboro. So this is whispering clips. So it sounds like it's a similar vibe. We got the W. Right. And, you know, it's a crazy. Whispering clots.

You want to keep saying mustper. I do. Whispering cliffs is a crazy-ass name. It is. Like that's a cool name for a place. It's very spooky. I don't want the cliffs to whisper to me. Anything whispering is like, don't, don't.

Now, her aunt and uncle's name were Allison and Frank Contreras. She also had a 13-year-old cousin who lived in that house. They were away for a few days. They'd asked her just to house sit. They had animals. They had dogs. And they were like, can you just hang out with them? feed them, walk them, you know, just stay in the house.

So she's thinking like, cool, that's totally fine. She was a very helpful kid. You know, she loved her family. So she was like, absolutely, I'll do that. She asked them ahead of time. She said, can Matt come over and watch movies? Is that okay? Because, again, good kid.

Right. Not trying to like pull a fast one. They said, of course, they knew Matt. They knew her. So they were like, totally. Absolutely. Now, while they're watching TV that night, they're watching a movie, just hanging out.

Tori and Brian show up at the house at around 637-ish. Yeah. And Cassie initially was kind of annoyed because she was like, I'm just going to hang out with Matt. Well, and she's like, I didn't ask if you could come over. And she's like, you two are fucking weird as fuck and I don't want you in this house probably. Do you remember who it was that liked her? Was it Brian or was it Tori? Well, it turns out later that it came out that both of them.

Oh, well, and they both hate each other. So that makes sense. And Tori, so Brian was the one who I said had a crush on her. Later it came out that Tori had had a crush on her for years. years. Oh, shit. So it seems like there was a lot of pent-up aggression. Little bitch energy that they couldn't handle the fact that this girl was not into them. Yeah. I think that was a little bit part of that. I was going to say, probably, probably part of that. Well, she was probably, I'm sure she knew, like, at least one of them liked her. It was like, this is uncomfortable.

Yeah. Like, I'm sure she was like, I don't want these two people over that are weird to me. Right. But they came over. They were friends with Matt. You know, Matt was, by all accounts, like not, you know, part of any of this. Like he was never found to be part of any of this. That's good. Well, when Matt and Tori came, you know, she was like, they were like, oh, I thought this was a party. And she was like, no, like I'm house sitting and dog sitting. Like you're stupid. She was like, no, no one else is coming.

They had apparently asked other people to come and they never showed up. So they were trying to start like a weird party, which I'm assuming they were trying to make it like the party at Stu's house at the end of scream. And it's like, no, but no one likes you. So no one showed up. Well, and also, how did you think that you were going to do that? Like, Stu and Billy did. They managed it. That's what they were thinking of.

Like, they were thinking, we are Billy and Stu. That's just so far. I'm like, also, do you really feel like they didn't get away with it either? That's the other thing. Like, did you watch till the end of the movie? It didn't end well for them. It would probably end the same for you. And it's even weirder because in the movie, Stu is like, I always had a thing for you, Sid.

I know. That is weird. Isn't it weird? You know what the issue is. Because, though, these are two stews. You literally took the words out of my life. I was just about to say. There's no Billy Lewis in this situation.

They were both stews. Yeah, we got a couple of stews right here. They were both idiots. It's below deck. I mean, I love stew in the movie, but they were, stew in real life is no good. Are you going to call? My mom's going to kill me.

My parents are going to be so bad at me. That's what he says. He's an idiot. Back to the seriousness. I'm sorry. Yeah. You got to break. it everyone because this is a heavy one so breaking it up is just you know something we got it

right uh something we do it's light-hearted it's light-hot it's a light-hotted nightmare in here right so yeah so they they showed up cassie was a little little annoyed about it but she just went with it and she was like we're watching a movie you can watch a movie with us or you can get the fuck out so they decided to watch one of the killbills because that was like a big movie at the time um so about it was a couple of hours in that tory and brian were like i'm bored i'm leaving And they were like, we're going to go to a movie theater and watch a movie, which is like, oh, okay, you're bored watching a movie here. But yeah, totally go pay to watch a movie. Right.

Adiates. So they got in the car and drove a little ways away from the house. They then changed into all dark clothing, dark sneakers. They were wearing like black. One of them at least was wearing black converse. Which I was like, don't ruin black converse. I was going to say, come on. They put on these masks.

These masks, we will post a photo of them in the Instagram. Because holy hell. I haven't seen the mask, but they were clown masks, right? They were not. Okay. These masks, all I can think about is poor Cassie. They were really scary. Because seeing these masks, I'm like, that poor girl.

I want to look it up right now, but you keep talking. Basically, the mask was a white mask, like a plain white mask, but on it had blood all over it. Like it was bleeding from the eyes and the mouth and the nose. Oh, God. And it's just this horrifying, it's a horrifying mask. To see that coming at you in your house would be unbelievable. I can't imagine. So they each took a knife with them.

They're all dressed up in their costume, and they drove back and parked near the house again. Right. So this is when, so then they filmed themselves in the car when they were parking. And Brian says, we're here in the car. The time is 9.50, September 22nd, 2006. Unfortunately, we have the grueling task of killing our two friends, and they are right in that house. down the street. What is wrong? I hate them so much. Yeah. And Tori says we just talked to them. We were there for an hour or so, but, and then Tori's, and then Brian says, we checked out the

whole house. We know there's lots of doors. There's lots of places to hide. I unlocked the back doors. It's all unlocked. Now we just got to wait. And yep, we're really nervous right now, but you know, we're ready. And Tori said, we're listening to the greatest rock band ever. Who are they listening to? Brian says we've waited for this for a lot. long time and Tori says Pink Floyd before we commit the ultimate crime of murder you got it you know they really had to go for it which it's like don't fucking sell you pink Floyd either like fuck you guys and Brian says we've waited for this for a long time Tori says a long time and Brian says well stay tuned and then the camera goes off now they walk to the basement door and they walk right in

because like he said it's unlocked because they did it before because a lot of people I remember reading this tune. I was like, why was that basement door on lock? Because they were there. Because I didn't know at first that what he had done was during watching the movie, Brian said, I got to go to the bathroom, got up, went downstairs, unlocked the door, and then came back upstairs. So the premeditation here is so beyond. I mean, they would never be able to argue this was an... They set up the entire house. They had costumes on. They had set the whole thing up. They videotaped themselves. They have talked about it. They were like, it was actually self-defense. The most premeditated thing ever. And then to go.

go downstairs and unlock that door. That just seals it. So they went into the back, they went into the basement door. Again, wearing the whole get-up and everything. And they tried to make a lot of noise downstairs because they wanted to scare them. So they were throwing shit on the floor. They were stomping. They were doing all kinds of shit.

And they're thinking Matt's going to come down to investigate. They're going to kill Matt. And then they're going to go up and scare the shit out of Cassie and kill her. Oh, I didn't know that they were planning to kill Matt. I thought they were solely in this for Cassie. No, they were, well, they were more in this for Cassie. That was their main goal. Right.

But they had said, and I think I say it later, but they had said that they basically said if he tries to protect her, they will kill him too. Okay, okay. Which they were actually friends with Matt. So. Yeah, they were more friends with Matt than they were Cassie. Exactly. Like, I mean, no matter what.

Wrong is wrong. But it's like, they were actually like bros with Matt. So for them to just be like, we'll just kill him if he tries to protect his girlfriend from us murdering her. It's like. Clearly they're. You two are trapped. Like, that's insane.

So they're like, you know, someone's going to come down and we're going to attack them. Well, they were super freaked out upstairs because they were hearing noises and the dogs were starting to get like nervous. The dogs were like barking at the basement door and shit. Right. Which was freaking them out. But they were like, we're going to sit on this couch. We're not going to go investigate because we've seen movies and we know that you don't do that. Well, and you're in unfamiliar territory too.

So it's like even more like I don't want to go. And I think it's just one of those things that's like, you know what? I'm going to stay put. Let's just sit here and we'll see what happens. Right. So no, they don't come down. So 15 minutes after they had, or excuse me, this was 15 minutes after they had left them. So this was not long after they had already been.

Left changed, came back. We're going to go see a movie in a theater. This was very close after. Because again, they just changed and came right back. Yeah. So all of a sudden, the power goes out. Oh, fuck that. In the house.

This was Tori and Brian cutting the power from downstairs. Right. And it was like a circuit breaker in the basement. So Matt and Cassie. So they just like turned off the fees probably. They just turned everything off. So Matt and Cassie stay in the living room again because they're like we're not, it's now it's a pitch black house.

We're not going around. Oh, my God. Cassie was super scared. Yeah. And Matt says Cassie was very freaked out. He said he was freaked out, but he was trying to be like very like strong for her. And he said suddenly like a few of the lights go back on. So Cassie's really freaking out.

And she's like, well, because that doesn't happen. Like that's weird as fuck. What the fuck's going on? So Matt said, again, one of the dogs was like really giving them like cause for concern because he was like to barking at it. He was like looking at the basement door and then he'd come back to them and then go back to the basement. And they were like, oh, this popo.

So Matt's like, all right. So he's like, let me call my mom. And he's like, I'm going to ask her if I can stay here tonight because I don't want you staying by yourself. I know you're freaked out. So he calls his mom and he's like, you know, Cassie's really freaked out. All the power just went off. It's a huge house.

It's kind of out in the middle of nowhere. I don't want to leave her alone. Do you mind if I stay here? And his mom was like, oh, no. Because they were 16. 16. I get 100% I get. She's like, that's like, you think that like it's going to end with like, oh, absolutely.

Right. Like he's going to, no. Like she was like, no. And so she was like, no. And not only that I'm coming to get you now. She was like, I know what you're trying to do. Yeah. Which is sad because.

Good try, son. That's not what he was. was trying to do. No, it wasn't, but she was like, she was being a mama. She was like, good try, son. So he's like, all right, cool. So his mom is like the one case where the kid actually, like, he had noble intention. Right. So his mom comes to get him. And she's like, and he asks again, like, are you sure I can't stay here? And she's like, no. She's like, this is, this is cute, but no. So she's like, you know what? Cassie, do you want to come to our house? Which that's very nice. That's very nice of her. So she's like, there's supervision over there.

Yeah, she was like, I'll be there. So, and that's what she said. She was like, you're not seeing unsupervised in an empty house together, but you can come to my house where I am. And she was like, you know, we can make sure you get back here. Like, but why don't you spend the night there and you don't have to worry about any of this? Well, Cassie was like, that's really nice of you, but no thank you. Because she was like, I promised my aunt and uncle I would stay here and take care of the dogs.

I don't want to let them down. Oh, my God. Well, that just goes to show who she was. She keeps proving what, like, a good kid she was. She said this is what you wanted to do. She was just trying to be, you know, and she was trying to be, like, strong and be like, nope, it's fine. I'm going to take care of my business that I need to take care of.

Like, good for her. But like, fuck. So he leaves. And when he left with his mom, he ended up calling Tori because, again, they're bros. And he called Tori and was like, yeah, I'm not going to be able to come out at all tonight. Because I think he was thinking at one point that he was going to, like, leave Cassie's and go hang out with them again. Yeah.

And because it was a Friday night. And his mom was like, no, like, we're done for the night. Right. She's like, I'm not driving anywhere else. She's like, shit's getting weird. That's just like, you need to come home. So he calls Tori and he's like, oh, I just left Cassie. Oh, fuck.

Unknowingly being like, she's home alone. Right. And he was like, and I think he told him like, you know, I was trying to stay there, but my mom won't let me. And now I can't come out at all. Well, because to him, he's talking to his bro. Yeah. You wouldn't think twice about telling your friend that your girlfriend or boyfriend is home alone.

It's your friend. Because that's the thing. I think a lot of people are going to be like, oh, my God, like, don't ever tell people your home alone, but it's like, these are your friends. Exactly. That's the thing. And it's like, who can you trust if you can't trust your friends? Right.

Like, how many times have you been like, oh, hey, I'm going to be alone tonight. Do you want to come over? Exactly. And then, like, so-and-so will tell their boyfriend, oh, she's going to be home alone tonight. Like, I'm going to go over there. Exactly. And that's so, unfortunately, by doing that, he kind of gave him the green line. So people say they think he, a lot of people would be like, you know, they thought he, you

he was involved somehow, especially because of this phone call, people thought it was weird. I understand that, but I get why people initially, because honestly, initially, when I first glossed over it. Oh, when I first heard the case, I was like, he's involved. I was like, sketchy, sketchy. He was given the green light being like, she's alone now, fellas, but. But knowing that they had plans to hang out later that night. And it's like, the evidence shows, there's also evidence later that comes out that's like a burned note that they had written in a notebook. And in that note, they say that they were planning to kill Cassie. But again, if Matt had tried to do anything, they were going to kill Matt.

Right. So obviously he did not know about this. It seems like they weren't in cahoots. It seems like he just didn't know that his friends were psychos. Well, now this poor kid, his friends did this to his girlfriend. He has like survivor's guilt. And now he's got to think about grieving of his girlfriend. And yeah, I just, that's a lot.

Yeah. So they end up, you know, they went, well, Once the mom and the boyfriend leave, the lights go off again completely. Because before they were like half-hard. This poor girl. And Cassie is terrified. Yeah. But she's like, I'm going to stay in this living room.

I'm staying on this couch. I'm not moving. Right. I'm not going to look for it. I'm not going to go turn on that circuit breaker. I'm just going to sit here. Which she is a braver soul than I. Because I would have been like.

I don't even know what I would have done in that situation. I would have been leaving. But it's like she's in the middle of nowhere. Where do you go? Oh, I'm not saying anything is right here. I'm just like my instinct. think would be to get the fuck out of the dark. Yeah, I don't even know what I would do. Pitch blackness is very heavy to me and that would have been too much for me to handle.

And I'm assuming, you know, if all the power is going out, she doesn't even have the TV. Oh, God. So she's just sitting in pitch blackness. It's like, oh my God, that must have been so scary. And she could have been like paralyzed with fear. I mean, that is a thing. That's such a thing. And Tori and Brian, again, had cut the power and they had hoped that she was going to come down to fuck with the circuit breaker. They're assuming a shit ton. and they're being proven wrong again and again. Right. Because they keep assuming that it's going to be like a movie and people are going to come

investigate into strange basements and like out in the middle of nowhere. But it's real life and people will just sit on the couch and not move. And when she didn't, they were like, all right, whatever, we're just going to go up there. So that's when they walk upstairs in their masks, holding their knives, and they stomp up the stairs, which can you fucking imagine that? I'm like, I like almost want to cry right now. It gives me like heart palpitations to think about sitting in the dealing with the anxiety that she's already been dealing with. And then to hear somebody stomping up the basement stairs.

I would be. Because imagine one person stomping up the stairs and then imagine hearing double that. Yeah. Hearing two. And in your mind, you're like, are there more than two people? Oh, yeah. Like what is happening right now? Yeah.

And when they got to the top, Brian slammed a door at the top to scare her even further. Oh, my God. And so then they walked in the living room and just attacked her. Yeah. Like just full on attacked her. Tori started, uh, Tori started stabbing her. That's weird. I thought he didn't have anything to do with her.

Yeah. I thought he didn't even want to be there. Brian soon followed. So both of them ended up stabbing her multiple times. The autopsy showed that she was stabbed between 28 and 30 times. Oh my God. Uh, there were two different knives used. So, Tori can fuck right off, pretending that he didn't have anything to do with it.

And 12 of those stab wounds were considered to be potentially fatal. So the rest of them were just... Superficial, potentially? Not even superficial. They were full-blown wounds. They just weren't fatal. Okay. One knife, it had a serrated blade, and it had inflicted 11 of those potentially fatal wounds.

So one blade, one person, had inflicted almost all of the fatal wounds with a serrated blade. The second one was not serrated. And it inflicted one of the... the potentially fatal wounds and then a bunch of the non-fatal ones. Okay. So both of them had involvement in the potentially fatal wounds. They were both, they both killed her. Yes.

Like, it is proven. Then they just left. Left her on the floor. Didn't clean anything up. Just walked out. All the animals survived, right? Yes. Unfortunately, they had to deal with that.

But because it was like two full days before somebody came home. So those dogs were just walking around in there. My God. I don't say unfortunately. Like they unfortunately didn't kill the dogs, but I'm like, unfortunately, they had to live in that house for two days. Dogs are like, they probably are like, yeah, they wanted to help. I'm sure. So then they, you know, they leave and they go home.

I know. Or they're on their way home. And when they're on their way home, I'm just going to quickly play you the thing that really nails them to the wall when it came down to trying to, you know, really charge them with first-degree murder and all that good stuff. This is what they did immediately upon leaving. I just killed Cassie. We just left her house. I saw her lifeless body just disappeared.

Dude, I just killed Cassie. That felt like I was the fuck up. So to me, it seems like Brian is a bumbling idiot. I mean, they both are. They're both complete fucking idiots. But to me, this shows Brian to be more of like, whoa, murder. You know, the stew. And then it seems like Tori became more cunning and calculated in this moment because later, his defense will use the fact that Brian is saying, I just killed Cassie.

I just stabbed her in the neck. I watched this. He never says, we. And Tori never interjects to say he did anything. I did too. Because he probably thought, on the occasion that we don't get away with. with this. Yeah. He was like, well, he was just preparing. Yeah. And he, you can tell he, because the next thing out of his mouth is shut the fuck up. We need to get our act together.

And for, and I, it's like he all of a sudden became this cunning fucking psycho. And it's, it's strange and unnerving. Well, there's a shift in his, even in his voice. Yeah. But like, the planning to then the murder and afterwards, he even, he sounds different. He does. Because when he's talking, he's like, me, m-mer-deer. murder and then all of a sudden he's just like shut the fuck up it's time to get our exit like it totally shifts also people make fun of my voice i'm saying come on guys make fun of tory's voice yeah just fuck that guy please um so they ended up going back to tory's home for a bit then they do somehow they later did produce a movie ticket but it was not it wouldn't match up at the time it didn't match up with any of the story so they

did attempt to use it as an alibi and they attempted to get a ticket but they even fucked that up But later they talked to the movie theater people and they were like, yeah, no, they did not buy that. Well, and I think a girl that like went to high school with them worked at the movie theater and she was like, yeah, no, like I didn't see them. Yeah, she was like, no, I would have seen them. Right. I could try, though. So they ended up going back to Torrey's house. They pack up all the costumes and the tape and the knives.

Everything that has something to do with what they did that night, including the tapes, which is like. What was the point of making it? Because then they, they douse it with. douse them with like gasoline or rubbing alcohol, take them out to like, I think it was the Black Rock Canyon area. Another spooky sounder place. I know, right? Try to burn the whole thing and then they bury it.

Yeah. So it's like, why did you even tape it in the first place? But like, when you're saying, like, all your messages to the FBI and future killers aren't going to get out there. None of the serial killers are going to see this. And Jesus Christ. Take her how to tapes. So then they went back to Tori's house and watched a movie.

I don't, I don't have a response. I don't know what to say to that. The amount. They just watched a movie. Just watched a movie. Like you just killed someone. You're so cliche. Like you're so fucking cliche.

Well, that's just like, I think of like a life altering moment and like how you feel after. Like that's a life altering moment. Yeah. A horrible one. But life altering. But to have the capacity to just like calm down to the point where you can sit down and watch a movie. And I mean, they initially were thinking they were going to kill someone else that night. That's just.

Like, they were all about it. Well, then we move on to the next day, Sunday, or excuse me, this was two days later. Sunday, September 24th, Cassie's uncle and aunt and 13-year-old cousin arrived back home. Oh, my God. They discovered her in the living room in a pool of her own blood, dead. They called police at 155 p.m. An investigation immediately began. Police saw that no, and it was the 13-year-old cousin who saw her first.

I thought, I was going to ask you that. I thought I had heard that. Yeah. And the police immediately saw that no valuables were taken. There wasn't any forced entry. And like you said, this was like a big home, like a nice home. So immediately they're like, let's talk to the boyfriend. Because we know he was here. Of course you're going to talk to the boyfriend. So Matt's brought in for an interview on the same day. And he said that he had been trying to reach Cassie on September 23rd that Saturday, like the day before. Because he had left her Friday night. And he said, but he couldn't get a whole.

of her. She wasn't answering anything. And he couldn't go to check on her because he doesn't have his own car and his mom had the car. Right. So he was like, I literally couldn't get there. So I was just trying to call her. Right. And they did check and he was trying to call her. On the same day later, around 8 p.m., he was picked out. So this was like the night before. That day, that night at 8.m. The day before she had been discovered. You mean? Yeah, exactly. Okay. He was picked up by Torrey. Are you shitting me? And spent the night at his house. So Matt spent. the night at Tori's house after Tori had killed her. And he asked Tori, can you bring me by Cassie's aunt and uncle's house? Because I want to check on her. I haven't been able to get

in touch with her. I never heard this part before. And Tori said, no, I don't have enough gas to get all the way out there. Oh my God. And again, he's his friend. Wow. So he's not thinking anything. Why would you think anything of that? They're 16 years old. I dated someone for like four years when I was at four years too long when I was 16, he wouldn't have given a shit about me if I was gone for it. He wouldn't have even noticed. He wouldn't even called you. So this is not alarming to me that like Matt was not like doing everything in his power to get in touch with Cassie because like I can tell you with full.

He's a 16 year old boy. That is 16 most I'm not shaming all 16 year old boys. But like my 16 year old boyfriend, we could have gone a week and he wouldn't have known. Anyone I dated at 16? Yeah. So that's not super alarming. I mean, because I know some people are like, what? Why didn't you get too upset? And it's like, no, they were 16. I feel like he did more than what probably my ex-boyfriend would have done. Yeah, more than anybody I dated would have done. Exactly. So like, I don't want to get too hard on Matt here. He was a 16-year-old boy at the time. He wasn't thinking that she was murdered by his friends. Well, and you know, like, when you can't get in touch with someone in your 16 and like that's, you kind of think that. And then you're like, that's crazy. Yeah, exactly. You're like, whatever. And then you just move on them. They're probably like playing video games or another movie. So the next day when Cassie was found, her mother had actually been the one to call Matt.

Oh, no. And she was immediately like, what did you do? Right. Like she, because everybody immediately looked at Matt. He was the last person there. To be known with her. Right. So that they didn't know that Tori and what's his face were over there.

Yeah. And they weren't supposed to come over. She didn't ask if they could come over. So it wasn't all that the aunt and uncle knew is that Matt. Matt was here. Oh, fuck. So poor Matt. So September 24th, um, the police.

police interviewed Tori at his home. His parents were there. He said, you know, the same story that they went out. They went to the home that night. They thought it was going to be a party. Didn't end up being a party. They were bored. So they left and went to the movies.

So the police were like, cool. How was like, how was the movie? And then he was like, yeah, it was fine. And they were like, okay, like, can you tell me anything about the movie? And he was like, I can't really remember. And they were like, two days ago? I can't remember the movie that I saw the other night. Two days ago, I can't remember it?

Like, really? And then they were like, who was in the movie? And he was like, yeah. Also, I mean, I'm glad that he, I'm glad that he wasn't able to. But like, hey, idiot, make something up. Like, that's, like, wow, that's what cunning. Right. Future serial killers take note.

Yeah. Like, so the police are immediately like, you can't tell us literally anything about the movie that you saw a couple days ago. And he was like, yeah. Like, he couldn't tell the plot, couldn't tell the actors, couldn't tell anything about it. Like, there's a movie. commercials, like maybe just take from that. Yeah.

And so the next day, an interview was done by police with Brian. His mother, Pam, was present. Because, again, they're 16. They can't just go interviewing these kids without parents. They're doing things the right way. And they did. They did go through all the things they need to. Thank goodness, because shit could have been thrown out.

Right. So basically, same exact story. We went there. We thought it was going to be a party. We left. We were bored. Again, they were like, so what was the movie about? and he was like, blah.

And they were like, do you know anybody in the movie? And he was like, blah. So they were like, okay. So then he was like, you both saw a movie that you don't remember. That's weird. So then they were like, you know, how do you feel about like Cassie being murdered? Like, isn't that she was your friend? You were, you were just at that house.

Does that freak you out a little? Yeah. And he was like, and he was like, I'm very upset and very shocked about Cassie's death. Brian said that. Okay. So they were like, okay. There are like reports that Matt was like not. super emotional, according to police. But again, we all know how that goes that, like,

people handle emotions differently. Yeah, you can't judge it. So, but Brian was acting like he cared. Well, when you have to think, too, he was probably terrified of, like, yeah, the being in front of the police. So maybe that was outweighing his brief. Yeah, the adrenaline might have overran like any emotion he's actually going to have. And he's like prime suspect. So he's shitting himself. As a 16 year old kid. Right. So they ended up interviewing students at the school, you know, because now they're starting to look at Brian and Tori like, yeah, what's that about? So they were like, we need to ask people about these two.

So they were asking them, you know, who are these guys? And they were like, yeah, they're real weird. They talk about murder all the time. Obsessed with movies, obsessed with horror, obsessed with killing. They, you know, they're very, like, obsessed with, you know, the Scream franchise and Columbine. That's, like, the thing that they're both into. They said Tori had the knife collection.

And then a couple of them said, you know, but they always have a camera with them. And they're very creative. And like they're always talking about wanting to direct and write movies. And they were writing a horror movie script. So they were like they're always talking about it. But now that I'm thinking about it, that could have been intermingled with them talking about really wanting to do these things. Right. So now all these poor kids are having like revelations of like, oh my God, were they actually talking about real things?

And then they said at one point, one of these kids said that they heard. heard Cassie say, like they talked to Cassie about it. And Cassie had said like, oh, like let me be in your horror movie when you make it. Oh no. Which like to me was so like chilling. That is. That's chilling. Because you know they were like, okay.

You're in our movie. Oh, fuck. Yeah. So September 20- That's like shit that happens in a movie. It is. It's all shit that happens in a movie. September 26, 2006, the officers did another interview with Brian.

So now they're going back to Brian and being like, let's talk some more. You remember that movie now? Yeah, they're like, so now he's still sticking to the story. He's saying they went to the movie. But then the officers are like, it's weird to me that you can't tell me anything about the movie. And like, I'm sure you know that that's weird. So like, why don't you change that story? Well, and you're supposed to be this like movie buff.

You're a movie critic. Exactly. And they're like, but what is this? You didn't want to critique that? And they're saying, you know, I, you get, basically they're being like, you got to change that story, bro. Because we don't believe it. So you want to give us something that we can work with because right now you're like a murder, like, basically, like, spill.

And he's like, I don't have anything else. So then Brian's like, okay. And he's like, we didn't go to the movies. And they're like, oh, okay. You did it. You don't say. So I'm sure they're both like, who he's going to tell us. But then he was like, all right, what we did was we had broken into some cars and like gone

through the car. He said, gone through cars. And he said, and I didn't want, we didn't want to tell you because we didn't want to get in trouble for like stealing stuff from cars. Yeah, that's okay. And they were like, that's not really convincing. Like they were like, that sounds like a weird teenage excuse. Because they were like, we didn't have any calls about burglar in cars.

So they were like, we're all these people that you took shit from and broke into their car. Right. Why didn't they call us? And he's like, yeah, no, that's just one of us. So he's sticking with the story. He's like, I don't know, we got away with it. And so he was then his parents, Brian's parents were like, we're leaving. And he left because he's a 16 year old.

His parents have authority here. So they left. And they're like, okay, shit's getting weird. So Wednesday, September 27th, 2000. This is when they started. They did more interviews with them. And this is when Brian and Tori start putting the blame on each other. Yep.

Because they always do it. So Brian finally said that he and Tori, he said we went through an unlocked door. He said we, or he said they unlocked the door when they were. So he admitted I went to the bathroom, went downstairs, went the door. Went downstairs. I unlocked the door. And he said, but what the intention was to. to scare her was we were going to leave, come back, dressed all up and be scary and spooky,

and we were going to scare them and play a prank. It was a prank. It was a prank gone wrong. So Brian's just like, no, this is totally a prank. That's all it was going to be. He was like, we had knives with us, but that was just to make it scarier. Mm-hmm. Obviously. They're like, so how did she end up stab 28 times then? Exactly. So he said, what happened was he said, Matt left. We saw Matt leave with his mom. And he said, we went upstairs. And I'm thinking we're just going to. scare her and then Tori just goes nuts and starts stabbing Cassie. So now he's immediately like, Tori did it. Yep. And he's just admitting it right out. He did it. And then he said, I thought it was

just going to be to scare. Turned out to be this crazy thing. And then he said that he never touched her, never stabbed her, never had anything to do with it. He said, I was there for the whole thing. Never did it. You will not find anything of me on her. Nothing. Then he said he said he had talked to Tori that same day. that they were speaking right now. He said, I talked to Tori earlier today. And that Tori said that if I told you the truth, he was going to kill me too. Oh my God. You're fucking kidding. And then he's also crying, I bet. But then, oh, he did. He sobbed. Of course. They always do. And then he says, I'll show you where we buried the evidence. Okay. I need to, like, but I'm going to show you

where we buried the evidence where I say something completely different than what I just told you and I say, I'm the one that did it. Yeah. I'm going to bring you to that because that makes sense to me. Yep. Okay. Just making sure. You got it.

You got it. Like, what? Yep. So your frontal lobe is not developed. Something's happening here. And so the police, you know, detectives go with him. They go to Black Rock Canyon. I believe his father was with them.

One of his parents, at least, or maybe both. And he brought them exactly where they had buried that. bag. And what they found in there was, I mean, they found a ton of shit in there. It was like the matches, the boots, the clothing. They found hydrogen peroxide, which is what they used to like try to light everything on fire. They found the mask. And the mask was like broken into pieces. They found a large dagger type knife with a sheath. A silver and black handled knife with some signature Sloan written on the inside. A small dagger type knife with a sheaf. They found the videotape. they found a serrated folding knife and they later DNA tested that knife and they found Cassie's blood on that knife. There was the piece of paper I talked about earlier that was partially burned that it was in pencil and it had said if, you know, if Cassie fought and Matt decided to try to protect her or we'll kill him too.

And on it you could see it's very hard to like read the whole thing because it is partially burned. Yeah. But it's laying out exactly how they were going to do it that night. So it's literally, they wrote that for Matt. I mean, like, that was like Matt's really only out. It kind of helped him out. Yeah.

So, and then, um, they did find DNA from Adam on the mask or Adam, sorry. I was like, his last name is Adam second. No, no, I know. From Tori on the mask. I was like, who is Adam? Who's Adam? No. No, from Tori on one of the masks.

Um, they found, um, they found Cassie's DNA on in the blood on. some of the gloves, so they were able to connect all these again. They also found a Calvin Klein black dress shirt, and they found her blood on that dress shirt. And they also found a small piece of black cord, which I'm not sure what was. Maybe they just brought that in case. So now that they found all this, they were like, okay, for thin or few times. So they were like, now that you've admitted this, let's go back to the beginning and you tell us what happened. And so he, again, he's like, Tori did it. I thought it was going to be a prank.

He just repeats the same thing. Look at me crying. But then he was like, so, you know, okay, sure, sure, Brian. Like, you were just there. You thought you were very innocent and thought this was just going to be a fun prank. Like, that's real fucked up of you anyways because it's a fucked up prank. But like, cool, definitely go with that story. And then he's like, but like, maybe did you just stab Cassie just to like,

keep Tori from hurting you. Yeah. Oh, no, he didn't do that. He was like, you know, Tori sounds crazy. He was probably so scary. Did you maybe just give her a little stab just to keep him from hurting you? And so Brian's like, yeah, maybe. And like, he's all of a sudden like, well, shit.

So he's like, okay. So he nods. He just nods. The way that the like officers can do. that. I would never... The good cop, bad cop thing is very impressive in detectives. I would never think to ask a question like that. To frame it that way. Because you have to like take out all the emotion and aggression you have for this person who you know did it. And you have to be like, you know, that other guy, he's the mean one. Like you, poor you. Like, were you just scared and you just did this?

Like, I get it. I have to imagine that must be kind of fun to like... It must be very satisfying. Like, very rewarding. It would... Once he... he nodded, I'd be like, jackpot. I'd be like, gotcha, motherfucker. So he, so they were like, okay, okay, yeah. Totally. Like, we get it. We get it, Brian. Yeah, he's mean. You were scared. You stabbed her. And they're like, so, so how many times did you stab her? Like, can you tell us? So instead of just being like, which you'd think he'd be like, I did once, like in the toe or something, you know, like just to be like, I didn't cause any damage. He was like, um, he was like, so I stabbed her four times in the leg in the chest. And he said, once he did. And he said, once he

that, Tori told him, quote, you need to stab her, you need to stab her. So he was like, so he did it again in the leg. And then Tori said, it's not going to work. She has to die. Oh, God. So then he says, can I see my parents? Oh, fuck. And that's the end of the interview. And the police, the detectives abided. They ended the interview. I mean, they got most of what they needed. And they ended the interview. So he was, you know, and all these, these two fuckheads were Mirandized. Everything went according to plan. They try to get back at that later, but they can't because it's airtight. It's all right there.

So September 27, 2006, they were both arrested. Good. Bye. They were both charged with first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder. They had separate trials. The defense obviously was blaming each other. And then when asked about the tapes, they said, we were just making a horror film. It wasn't real. It's just weird that this whole thing happened.

It's weird that it lines up perfectly. You know how coincidences are. the person in our horror film is named Cassie. It's weird. It's just coincidence. Well, and then DNA evidence under her nails actually matched Brian. Oh. They, I don't, from what I read and what I've seen, they have not taken DNA from under her nails that matched Tori, but there was DNA under her nails that matched Brian and another one that was an unknown male. So it could have been that it just didn't connect with his DNA. Uh-huh. But weird. And of course, the defense used to that. Of course.

That only Brian's is under there. So they also stuck with the tape saying, But I'm sure he was just the closer one. Well, and they stuck with, you know, Brian said I killed Cassie in that tape. Like, that's... Right. Unfortunately for Tori, it did not work for him. So, Tori was found, or Brian was found guilty April 17th, 2007.

Tori was found guilty June 8th, 2007. That's my birthday. I sure is. I don't know if anybody knows that. I'm a gentleman. So August 21st, 2007, they both received, like, in prison without parole, a mandatory sentence. Bye.

And 30 to life for the conspiracy charge. So life plus 30. Life plus 30 to life. Yes. So they had to spend this sentence at Idaho State Correctional Institution, where they still are today. Thank God. Tori's parents are fucking enablers of the century.

Like, okay, listen, I get standing by your kid. Right. And it's, I'm sure it's. hard to accept that your kid did this. And it's one thing to stand by your kid and it's another thing to enable them to spin a false narrative. Right. And to not take responsibility for something they have clearly done and are on film admitting

to doing it. Because then you're just hurting the victim's family 10 times more. Oh yeah. His parents literally won't let him tell the real story. You can see sometimes that Tori almost looks like he just wants to say it and they stifle it out of him. Which is insane. And it's like, just let him talk.

He's not getting out of jail. Anyway, right, anyways. He's staying there forever. You might as well let him get it off his fucking chest. Like, let him talk about it. Right. So they feed him. Like, there's, um, there's a documentary called Lost for Life.

And it's, um, about like juvenile offenders and the mandatory life sentence and all that craziness. And they are part of this. And in it, Brian seems actually remorseful. Right. When he speaks. I've heard that. I will say that.

Who knows? Really, because, you know, they could be. But it seems like he, because he takes 100% responsibility, says, like, I did it. Right. I was there. He said, Tori did it too, but, like, I did it. And he's like, Cassie was our friend. Cassie, you know, I will forever regret what I did.

I don't know why I did it. I'm like, but I, and he says, I deserve to be here. I should be here. Like, he's very, this is, this is what I guess. This is what I did. This is the repercussion. But Tori is like, no, me, where. And his parents just.

feed him lines, they talk over him. And the entire time, Tori, first of all, looks like out to lunch. Like, Tori is not on this planet with us. Like, something's going on. His eyes are dead as fuck. And he just, and you can tell he just has it all sitting in him and he wants to say it. And he's not saying it because his parents won't let him. And the whole time his parents are literally staring at him in the eye while he tries to talk and are literally being like, but Brian did it, right? You didn't do it. So I don't know why you would feel bad about anything because Brian did it. Like they're literally sitting there and you can see him like shift like looking at them and looking at the camera. And you're like, oh, so that's where you came from. And I'm like, oh, okay, I get it now.

Like, I get it. But, and they're literally like, you've done nothing wrong. Brian did everything. And it's like, have you seen your son's videos? Right. Mom and dad. They probably haven't. They probably haven't. Like he's a disgusting cup of fucking rancid horse piss is what he is. And it's like, You need to understand that about your son. And just quickly, I just want to play the quick little clip of his parents, like, talking over him. At 16, he's not saying that. He's not saying that. I was, I made some mistakes and I learned from them.

But mistakes weren't anything that you were charged with. They weren't the murder and a conspiracy. Yeah. That was Brian. He's facing it. He's that. When he says at the end, he says, at the end, he said, he said. And like, it must be really hard because you're the innocent one.

And Brian did everything. You had nothing to do that. And it's almost like the dad is like, right? And he's, while he's saying that, he's staring at his son. And his son is trying to look at the camera and keeps looking at him. And he just stops and goes, I guess. Yeah. And you can tell he's like, I would say it, but I can't because they're going to like shove me into the ground.

And like they're both and they're both just like, you know, you have nothing to be sorry about. Because you didn't, you know, your mistakes aren't what you were charged with. And it's like, you two are a problem. seriously. It's infuriating to watch them. So in 2010, Cassie's family filed a lawsuit against the school district saying like, why were they allowed to sit there in class and talk about murdering my child? Yeah. It was dismissed. Nothing came of it, unfortunately.

Both of them filed appeals in the state Supreme Court in 2010 and 2011. They were both denied. Brian said in his last interview with the police, he said his parents weren't present. so it wasn't okay. Uh-huh. And they were like, nope, we have it right here. We read you your Miranda rights. And when you asked for your parents, we shut off the tape,

stopped the interview and let you have your parents. So don't lie. They were like, you fucking dirty, dirty liar. So they were like, no. So that didn't work for him. That was supposed to be his appeal. And of course, Tori is saying, you know, said he never admitted to it, that whole thing about the tape.

I didn't do it. I didn't confess to this. Right. Tori also said that his counsel, he had ineffective counsel, because he said there was a warrant that was served at his parents' house when they were arrested. And the warrant did not include, it was just to search his room and stuff, obviously. It did not include them being able to search and seize any electronics of his, but they took his laptop. And when they looked on it, they found, like, fucked up shit, like child pornography.

Yeah, I heard that. Which doesn't shock me about that dude. No. He's got so much going on. You can, it's in his eyes. It is. And so he was like, they weren't. I love that he's like, that wasn't a.

the warrant so you can't use it. It's like, yeah, but like, it's okay, though. You're still real gross, so I don't think that would have made a difference, but okay. In 2012, the Supreme Court said you can't impose a mandatory life sentence without parole for people under 18 unconstitutional. The ruling doesn't apply if your crime that you committed is considered under the category of permanent incorrigibility. And this was. Which means that you literally are beyond help or recognition, or redemption, which I believe they are. And it's, seems to be that they are because they haven't gotten a new one. So in 2014, the contraris is the aunt and uncle of Cassie. They said that they couldn't sell their house. They tried getting

out of that house. No one will buy it. And they said they've tried to put it on for years. That's awful. Someone did eventually buy it. But they also said a lot, you know, the 13 year old cousin attempted suicide, fell into a depression after seeing that, her cousin was traumatized. The aunt said she went into a deep depression, lost her job. That's so sad. This had such far-reaching ripple effect. Right. And in July 2015, Tori got a hearing for post-conviction relief. No.

He used the whole ineffective counsel thing. He said there were character witnesses that were not called in the initial trial. They would have approved that he's such a good guy. And it would have had, totally. March 2016, that was denied. Bye. He appealed it to the state Supreme Court. December 26, 2016.

They rejected it. So that same year in 2016, the Supreme Court, court made that ruling about minors not being sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. Yeah. They made that retroactive. Remember when they were like, now we're going to go back and look at these? So they are looking at cases now. Oh, shit.

They have not looked at theirs. I believe they looked at another case that could have had something to do with theirs. But just as a weird little side, September 28, 2004, a 25-year-old woman named Norie Jones was sexually assaulted and stabbed to death, 50 yards away. from where a 14-year-old Tori lived. Oh. During the trial for her murder, which took place in 2015, so a long time after she died. Right.

He was brought up as a possible suspect. Oh, shit. They think he might have done that. Maybe that's why he was so calm after. That's what. Like, Brian was so like, holy shit, I just hid that. And Tori's like, yeah, I fucking did this before. And I think he might have.

It wouldn't shock me. He was so cunning immediately about it. Right. And then the last thing I just mentioned was I found, in my research, I found this weird-ass fan fiction about Brian. Ew. Yeah, and it was like a whole fucking novella

online about this per, like for some reason Brian got out of jail and was living with this family and the daughter, the like teenage daughter and him have this affair. People are so sick. And like Brian is portrayed as this like very like loving, caring, remorseful person.

That just actually made me feel nauseous. And I'm like, yo, just write fiction. I have nausea. Fan fiction is fine, but like why are you writing fan fiction about a fucking murderer? Like, that's insane. You need help. Yeah.

So you should take that down if you're that person. Yeah, because there's a victim here. And I'm like, wait, what? And I'm like, looking through it. And I'm like, is this what? Because it looked like an interview almost at first. And then it got into weird shit. And I was like, oh, this is fan fiction about Brian Draper.

Life is so upsetting. Like weird flex, but okay. No, weird flex, period. But like, whoa. But bye. But bye now. So that is the almost two hour. Yeah, shit.

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