Morbid - The Tragic Case of Susan Powell Mini Morbid

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

In Ash's Alaina-length Mini Morbid, she bravely took on the heartbreaking mystery of Susan Powell's disappearance and the murder of her two beautiful boys. It's one part mystery, one part horrific Texas Chainsaw Massacre family dynamic and one part absolutely devastating murder/suicide. This is a tough one but it will have you engrossed from beginning to end.  This episode contains the death of children, please use discretion! The unbelievably infuriating 911 call we mentioned that the social worker made in a desperate attempt to save Josh Powell's two sons from their father: https://youtu.be/qrfqCGeDXXE Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This episode is super duper special because it's sponsored by the lovely people at Care of. Yay! Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I am still Raspi Elena. And this is a mini morbid. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini morbid. Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid.

You did it. I know. And it's Ash-centric. But it's kind of like Elena-centric because, I did the damn thing. She did. I stayed up until like 3.45 in the morning research in AF. You did an Elena.

I did. And I see it. I see the pages of research in front of me right now. Look at all of it. And I still apologize that I still sound like Lindsay Lohan. I think that you shouldn't apologize. I think I should apologize for not sounding like Lindsay Lohan. Well, people are happy that they can finally tell us apart now.

That's true. Because I'm the one that sounds like I'm dying. Yeah, Alina's dead. But, you know, I'm drinking tea. I'm trying to make it go away, guys. There's a reason for the vocal fry that we'll explain to you later. It's true. If you stay tuned until the middle of the episode.

Oh, what a good way to make you all listen. Yeah, later on in the episode, we have some fun news. Yeah. So should we just hop right into my minimal bit? I think we should. All right. So I went on the Instagram and asked you guys for some suggestions. and a lot of people said do Susan Powell.

So, woo! I did Susan Powell. She did it. And I didn't really know this case. I'd heard of the name, but I didn't know like any crazy details about the case. And my life has been ruined. So thank you. It's a bonkers case.

I stayed up very late watching a documentary about it. And then I was like reading articles and all this stuff. I listened to a podcast about it. Shout out to a crime junkie. They did a pretty good episode on it. We love crime chunky. I love them so much. But here's my episode on it.

Yay. So Susan Cox Powell and Josh Powell got married April 6th, 2001. They had only dated for two months before they got engaged. Wow, that's love. Yes, totally. And Susan's family was skeptical. Weird. Yeah, I think she was like 19 and he was 23, I want to say, when they got married.

Okay. Which, like, 19 is like pretty young. get married up for only knowing somebody for two months. Yeah, I think that that compounded on top of it makes it like, maybe take a second. They met at like a church function kind of thing for like young singles. They were both involved in the LDS church, which is the church of the Latter-day Saints. Yes. So like I said, her parents were skeptical and her sisters and her mom urged Susan not to marry Josh.

there was just like something about him that they didn't like. He seemed to be pretty arrogant, attention-seeking, creepy, and they couldn't put their finger on it, but something was just wrong about him. Oh, that's not good. You got to listen to people when they do that. When they say, I can't put my finger on it, but there's something weird here, you got to listen.

And it wasn't just like one person felt this way. It was like her mom, her sisters, her friends. Like a lot of people were like, no, no. Because if it's just your mom, you're like, all right, mom. Yeah. Relax. But if it's everybody around you, it's like, you're like, I don't know. There could be a notion to this.

There might be a common denominator here. Right. It might be this creep. And actually, Susan's mom remembered saying to Susan, I look at Josh and I see darkness. Ooh. Which is like something I totally feel like Ma would say. I was just thinking that. Because she just can read the future.

Yeah. My mom would 100% say that. You know, you know what she would say? She'd go, there's just darkness around him. Yeah. And she'd move her hand very mystically. Yeah. Like, she just feels it.

And then I would trust her. And then I'd be like, bye Josh. Yeah, bye Josh. My Uber is here. So they got married anyways. Oh. Susan loved him. The two things that Susan wanted most in life was to be a mom and a mother.

I almost said she wanted to be a mom and a mother. Yeah. She wanted to be a wife and a mother. Like those were two of like the very most important things to her, which I get. Yeah. She just seemed like so pure. Oh. Yeah.

So after they were married. They got married in Pawalup, Washington. That's where they lived for a little bit. That sounds like a fun place. Pawalup. Pawalup. It's just fun to say. P.U.Wallup?

Pee wallop? Yes. I like it. But they moved to Utah, and that's when they started their family. They had two sons together, Charlie and Braden. Oh, cute. Those are the cutest names ever. And for a little while, they were, like, really happy.

For a little while. For a little while. Oh, no. But things, as they always do, went down to. hell. Yeah, this, this podcast is never like, things just kept going great. And they bought a house and then they saved some money and they got a nice car. They got a 401k. They retired early. Wow, actually my heart just hurt just hurt a little bit. I know, right? So, Josh was quick-tempered. Like, he never, from what I read, he never physically hurt Susan in their marriage. Like, he never, like,

hit her or anything, but he would like break things and like yell a lot. So he threw adult temper tantrums. Correct. Yeah. Correct. Correct. And he was very controlling. He controlled every last thing.

That's no good. She wasn't allowed to drive the family car without permission. She had to bike seven miles to work on like a busy road. In some sources, I don't know. if this is totally true, but I read a couple places, and crime junkie also stated this. He made her knit her own socks. I just want to know the reasoning. To save money, to save money.

To save money. To save money, she needed to knit her own socks. Knit her own socks. He was super controlling. Soxes don't, socks is, socks is. Sox's, socks don't seem like that big of an expense. I feel like, like I've never calculated what I spend on socks. but I feel like it doesn't make that big a dent in our budget.

Do you know what? I never really wear socks. I barely wear socks. Like even when I, this is really gross. When I wear sneakers, I don't wear socks. Yeah,

that's gross. But I just hate the feel. It constricts my toes. But then your feet are smelly. I came out of the womb with smelly feet. I'm trash. Goodbye. Oh,

he also controlled like what the kids ate. Like he, he wanted them to split a hot dog rather than each have their own hot dog. So just like weird, like neurotic things. Like it was just to control something, I think. It had no actual reasoning behind it.

It was just like, I want it that way. So that's how it goes. Yeah, it wasn't like, oh, they're having a big dinner. So let's just do half a hot dog. It was like, no, I just need to have control. And also like he didn't like to do the cooking. Like she did the cooking. It was just, I don't know.

He was just like too much. Like he was really on another level. Yeah, it sounds like that. But she didn't want to get a divorce. because her faith was very important to her, and they are not huge proponents of divorce. Yeah. So she tried to make it work,

but after a while, things started to get, like, shittier and shittier, and Susan started asking her friends what her legal options were. Like, it started to just get bad. So she was planning on actually making a move. And I don't know if Josh caught wind of this, if he, like, found something that gave him information that she was, like, thinking about leaving if she might have given him an ultimatum that's what i've heard in some

places that she was like if you don't shape up by like this date like i'm fucking out of here good for her i hope that's what she did yeah um but he said to her over my dead body will you leave me and over my dead body will you take those boys away from me oh that's no good and her sister heard him say that oh that's so no good yeah which is so so fucked up yeah that's just that that threat is never an empty threat, I feel like. Whenever it's said in these cases, you're like, e-e. I don't think either in my life have I ever been like over my dead body. Yeah, I don't think, yeah. That's a very... I definitely never said it in like a threatening way to someone. No, no. So that's kind of like the background of their little family. Dynamic. Dynamic, exactly.

Let's flash forward a little bit to December 7th, 2009. Josh's mom calls 911 to Rebels. report Susan, Josh, and the two boys missing. Oh, no. Susan and Josh should have already left for work. The boys were normally dropped off at daycare at this point. And I think the daycare woman was like, this is super weird. Like, they should be here right by now. So she called, like, the emergency contact, I believe, was Josh's sister.

And then Josh's sister lived with his mom. And she was like, everyone was just like, this doesn't make sense. Where are they? Yeah. How old were the kids? At this point, they were, I want to say they were two and four at this point. So little. They were little babies.

And they're so cute. So police go to the home and they end up breaking in with the permission of Josh's family, his mom and his mom and a sister, to the home through a window. And immediately a few things struck the police as odd. The couch had been freshly cleaned and there were two box fans. hooked up and blowing onto the couch as if to be like drying it. Yeah. Susan's purse was in her bedroom, like untouched. And the house was completely locked up.

That's weird. So it just didn't make any sense. And also fresh snow had fallen and there was no tracks leaving the house or entering the house. So it was like whatever happened, like they haven't been here in a while. Yeah. So Jovanna Owings was a family friend of Susan and Josh is and she was the last person to see the family before all of this happened. So she went over

there the day before and basically she was at their house just hanging out with Susan and Josh was in the kitchen making pancakes with the boys the night before. Okay. It was like early afternoon. The weird part about the fact that Josh was making pancakes is like I said earlier, he never really cooked. Oh yeah. Like he wasn't, that wasn't his thing. Susan did the cooking. Huh. But shortly after finishing the pancakes, Giovanna said, Susan told her she wasn't feeling well. She was like super tired and she just wanted to go lay down. So she was like, I'll talk to you later. Like, thanks for coming over. And Josh, like, hurried Giovanna out of the house and was like, I'm going to take the boy sledding. So like, I'll see you later by. And he like peeled out of

the driveway before she even got into her car. Wow. Yeah. And she was just like, I don't know, like, something sketchy about that. It was just weird, like, just very strange. So the day the family is reported missing. No one's heard from them. in 18 hours. Okay. And then all of the sudden, Giovanna gets a hold of Josh, because she's been calling Susan and Josh.

And she tells him that everyone's been so worried and like, where are they? And he says, oh, me and the boys are over in West Valley. I took them camping last night. And Susan should be at work or something. And she's like, well, yeah, everyone's really worried.

Like Susan never showed up to work and where, like, you guys have been gone forever. What's going on? Yeah, like, hi. Like she was like, the police are at your house you need to get here. This is actually serious. We called the popo. Yeah, exactly.

Like this is felt really tough. Yeah. So he's like, oh, okay. Like I'm on my way home. But then he turns around, drives 20 minutes in the opposite direction, and leaves Susan a voicemail telling her that he's on his way home. Hopefully you got to work okay. He says, hey, we're on our way back.

Hopefully you got to work okay. Like one. Why did you turn around to make the call? And two, she just told you, Giovanna just told you that she never showed up for work. So why are you calling her saying, I hope you got to work okay? Yeah. Ellis Maxwell was the lead detective on the case. And he calls Josh and he's like, dude, where are you?

What are you doing? Like you said you were supposed to, like you were on your way, like what's going on? And he's like, your wife is missing. She never showed up to work. This has gone on for far too long. Like get home. You're looking creepier by the second, dude. Yeah, exactly.

So Josh is like, okay, yeah, I'm on my way home. I just have to feed the kids. Oh, yeah, let's eat a meal first. And also, like, you just want, like, you normally just give them half a hot dog. So, like, can you just get home and find half a hot dog in the fridge and give it to them? And literally, it's like your wife is missing. Right. Maybe a meal can wait.

Exactly. And, like, he's just telling you to come home. Like, do you have food there. Like, there's food there. I don't understand. You're not going to, like, Jupiter. Exactly. So he's like, okay, like, please just like come home because we want to talk to you. And Josh is like, okay. And then instead of going home, he goes to Susan's work. So he leaves her voicemail and he's like, hey, Susan, it's me. Like, I'm outside of your work. Like, I'm here to pick you out. Like, come on out. What the fuck. And it's like, no, she never showed up to work. We have told you this. Giovanna told you this. The detective told you this. They are telling you to get home.

So instead of turning around and driving in the opposite direction and then going to her work and being like, hey, I'm here. Maybe go home and find out where your wife is because she's nowhere to be found. That is bizarre. The weirdest. And that he's not being like, hey, I'm outside. Are you in there? Like everyone's freaking out. Right.

He's just like, hey. I'm outside, babe. Just here to pick you up, girl. It's like, no, she's not in there, sir. We've told you this. Like your wife is missing. Like a detective is telling you this. It's so weird.

So obviously she never comes out because she's not at work. And so Josh finally returns home. And Maxwell, the detective, is like, all right, we're going to go down to the station just to ask you a few questions. It's fine. Don't worry about it. We just need to cover all our bases, figure out where Susan could be. And Josh tells Maxwell the last time he saw Susan was at midnight the night before. Like I said, he had taken the boy sledding.

I think it was around like 4.30-5-ish when they went sledding. They came home, watched a movie. He couldn't remember what movie they watched. He thought it was like one, it was like a Christmas movie. He was like, ah, we watched a Christmas movie. I don't remember which one. It's like, yeah, movie names are hard. Especially within like 12 hours.

It was last night. Like, it wasn't that long ago. And then he was like, I decided to take the kids camping at midnight. As one does. And like it didn't bother me that it was a snowstorm. No. And it's fine. Yeah.

Like they really wanted to make s'mores. So we went camping at midnight. I often take my children camping in the middle of the night during a snowstorm. Yeah. I don't get what's wrong with this. I don't understand what the big deal is. Nothing's weird at all. To take your two and four year old camping in the middle of the night.

Yeah. That's a very regular activity. To take them anywhere in the middle of the night. It's totally fine. Yeah, it's fine. Like I put them to sleep so that I can wake them up in the middle of the night. Exactly. To go bring them somewhere.

So they were like, okay. They were like, that's probably legit. They were like, you took your two and four year old kids camping at midnight in 18 degree weather with a storm coming. Okay. He's like. It all adds up to me. That makes sense. So the detective is like, oh, let me write that all down.

He's like, okay, well, Susan never showed up to work like I've told you 45 times. So where else would she have gone? And Josh goes, I don't know. I feel like she would have tried to go to work. Dude. I'd be like, are we like failing to communicate with what? Does the word work mean something different in Josh language? Like what's happening here?

She's not there. How are we having a breakdown of communication? I don't know if she tried to go. Like it's just, it didn't work out. And so he's like, well, okay, she never got there. And he's like, well, I don't know where she could be. Like, can I leave now? And just, he's like, he's like done with the interview.

Like, what? He's like, I'm ready to go. And they don't, I mean, they can't keep him. Like, they don't have anything. So he's like, yeah, you can go. My wife and the mother of my children, I don't know where she is. Like, I don't know where she could be. Can I just fucking leave now?

Yeah, like, I don't. I got shit to do. I ain't got no worries. Yeah. Hakuna Matata. What a wonderful phrase. Like, what is this dude? So, they make plans to do, because this wasn't like a full.

formal interview. So they're like, come back tomorrow for a formal interview at this time. And he's like, okay, cool, see them. Because your shit is off. Because there is something going on here that we don't know about. And you definitely have the answers. So the next day, he's supposed to go in at some point in the morning. Josh's mom and sister go over to the house. And he's cleaning the house and his car, like cleaning everything up, which is weird because he like was like Susan did the cooking and the cleaning. Like, yeah. He didn't really lift a finger. And he's supposed to be at his interview at the time that they get to his house. And his sister's like, why is just cleaning? Are you not at your interview? Like, you need to go. Like, let's go, buddy. So he shows up to his interview four hours late with no explanation as to why

he's four hours late. One might say that's excessively late. Very late. Like, if I showed up four hours late to work, I think my boss would be like, why don't you go home and never come back? It's tardy as fuck. Yeah. Don't be tardy for the party. For your interview. Yeah. Like, Josh, come on now.

So, like I said, no explanation as to why he's late. And Maxwell's like, you know what? Whatever, because I'm probably not going to get any answers out of you. So let's just start this fucking interview. Because you are the strangest man. He's like, something has gone awry here and I'm going to find out what it is. Yeah. It's fine that you're four hours late.

So he's like, you know what's weird, Josh? Like, you kept calling Susan. But you had her phone. Oh. So, like, did, like, why were you doing that? And Josh was like, oh, I forgot that I had her phone. Like, I didn't realize it was there. And Maxwell was like, okay.

I feel like he's just trying to say these bonkers things as confidently as possible. Oh, I didn't even know I had her phone. They'll believe me if I say it with a lot of confidence. He doesn't even have a lot. He's just like, he's just like, me. But that's the thing. He's like, I just, I just, I just didn't know how to it. The sky is yellow.

Literally. Like, I feel like at some point in his life, he said that. It just is. It's just, that's just the way it is. And it's just like, everyone around him is going to be like, you know what, Josh, you're right. It is. All right. I've always thought the sky was yellow.

So he's like, yeah, well, that's weird. Anyways, he's like, does Susan have any enemies? Like, was she suicidal? Was she depressed? Like, where the fuck could she be, bra? Help. And Josh hops all over. that and he's like oh yeah she she was suicidal she's enemy of the state like everyone so many

hates her which is not true at all he didn't he didn't say she had any enemies but he because every i don't think he could have because she was very very into her church and she made tons of friends on this church like she had a lot of friends so he knew even that would have flown but he was like she was she was definitely suicidal he was like you know what that sounds like and everyone is like yeah no not at all like that doesn't make any sense so they feel finish up the interview and also inform him that they got a search warrant for his home and for his car and that they were right now finishing up the search of his car and that he could make himself comfortable in the waiting room or like the waiting area whatever the fuck they do

in interviews. I've never been arrested. Well, he wasn't arrested at this point either. But that they would be done in about like 15 minutes or so. So just hang out and then you can have your car back. Hang tight, Josh. Instead of hanging out, he takes a taxi to the airport and rents a car at the airport. He's really good at following directions. So, and the thing was, it was only going to be like 15 minutes. Like, it wasn't going to be a very long time for his car to be, like, and they were going to give it back to him.

It wasn't a matter of like, well, it's going to take a few days. Yeah. It was like just wait. They're like just wait out here for a minute and we'll be done. Right. And he was like, no, I'm all set. He's like, I'm going to drive to the airport and rent a car. So he ends up putting over 800 miles on this rental car and disappeared for 20 hours.

That's a lot of hours to be unaccombed for. And to put 800 miles on a car. Where are you going, bro? Where did you go? And I watched this documentary on oxygen. It was called the Susan Cox Powell disappearance. Creative. It was truly very creative.

And they like mapped out all the places. that he could have gone, and it was, like, insane. Like, there are so many options, but nobody knows where the fuck he went. But none of them are really, like. He's totally unaccounted for in those 20 hours. So weird. And what's also weird... Because you think, like, no one can be unaccounted for any amount of time now.

No. And, I mean, it's just, it doesn't make any sense. But also, uh, during those 20 hours, Josh's dad, Steve is also unaccounted for. And he doesn't show up for work during this time. And his phone was entirely shut down. What is this family doing? Exactly. I need to know.

Exactly. So once police learn this information, they learn how close Josh is with his dad. Like they have this weird relationship, like they're bros. I had a feeling. Yeah. And they decide to interview Steve. And this is when shit gets fucking weirder than weird. Oh, God.

Like this case is bizarre. It is bizarre. So Steve admits that he has very. deep feelings, quote unquote, for Susan and says she, quote, unquote, craved his attention. Now, this is his dad. This is Josh's dad. So Susan's father-in-law. And he's saying, I had very deep feelings with her.

She craved my attention. Nothing is at all awful and scary about that. No, not at all. No. So skipping ahead a little bit, at one, at the end of this case, the police get their hands on these videos that Steve's been taking for years of Susan at like family events, at like cookouts, but also when she's leaving her work job. Her work job.

Which I don't know why I said that. And like across rooms when she's unaware. Oh, I hate it. It is. Have you seen it? Have you ever seen any of them? No. Oh.

It is the most terrified. Like my, I was nauseous. I've never seen them, but I hate them. Yeah. Oh, oh, you hate them. Like, I'm so disturbed, just thinking about them right now. So, like I said, some of them she's, like, aware of. Like, they show him videoing Susan putting on makeup. And she's like, she's obviously uncomfortable.

Like, she's like, okay, like, why don't we need to video? And this family, like, they must have videoed everything because this documentary that I watched, it's two parts and each part is an hour and a half long. And there's, like, so much footage. Like, it was like a different video all the time. So, like, he has some of her putting on makeup, talking at family cookouts, but like I said, they get weirder and weirder. He zooms in on her butt or he zooms in on her legs. And he says things like, God, I worship her.

Oh, Lord. And at one point, she, I don't think she was aware of this video because it looks like she's leaving work and he's videoing from like across the parking lot. And she gets into her car and she just kind of like, when she sits down, like, almost like scratches her leg or like fixes her skirt. She just like touches her leg. Yeah. And he goes, oh, she did that for me. Oh, my God. Yeah. That's some, like, creepy voyeur nightmare.

So then I learned that at one point in time before they moved to Utah, Josh was, like, in between jobs. He had just lost his job, which is, I think he, it was very hard for him to hold down a job as like a running theme in this case. So they were living with her, with Steve. Oh, geez. Josh and Susan were living with Steve. And that's kind of when he took a lot of these videos. Yeah, that must have been a comfortable situation.

And also that's when he made advances towards Susan, who was like, yeah, I'm not interested in you because you are my father-in-law and I'm married to your son. Correct. And that's kind of when she was like, Josh, like, I'm all set with this shit. Like, bye. That would be terrifying. Yeah. And I've read different accounts on like how Josh handled it. And some articles I read that he was like, okay, like, let's go.

the fuck out of here and that's why they moved to Utah. And then I've read somewhere he was like, it, like my dad's harmless and like, like, how dare you? Yeah, like, fuck you. But either way, they moved, like, very quickly, very quickly because of this. So, like I said, she lived there. So Steve also has videos of stolen clothing of Susan's, um, which he refers to being like, they smell so good. Oh, including bras and underwear. Oh, that dude's a straight-up killer. Yeah. Like, Like that dude, oh, if, like, you have to watch these two documentaries because, and he also, like, Josh was very, like, into himself. And I think it came from Steve because Steve was, like, very clearly narcissistic. And he's disgusting. Like, I'm going to go ahead and said he's gross, obviously, because of what he does. But also he's yucky looking. Like, he looks like a creeper that I would be like, walk faster. Like, he just oozes it. He oozes slime ball. And he, like, takes these, like, videos doing creepy shit. And then,

he like pans up to the mirror and he has this like weird smile and he's like, ew. It's weird as fuck. He's a fucking monster. It's the most bizarre thing that my eyes have ever laid witness upon. No. It's weird. Hate it. Yeah.

So also apparently shit gets really weird and I don't know. This is like speculated, but I also read in one place that Steve suggested that he and Josh share Susan. Oh, I was waiting for that. Yeah. I was totally waiting for that. Yeah, it's not, it's not total, like, confirmed, but it is, like, in some places. I can totally see that.

Yeah. So they move the fuck out of there. And it's, like I said, it's unclear what his whole deal was with his dad after that, but I don't think they talked for, like, a little bit. And their relationship was super weird. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.

So obviously, I'm sure that puts so much strain on their relationship. Like, even, even though they got away from it, it's, like, your dad is, like, not going to just, like, go away. he's fucking obsessed with me. And he's in our lives forever. Yeah. He's your dad. He's your dad.

He's the fucking grandparents to my children. Yeah. He's a fucking weirdo. But that wasn't their only issue. Josh was getting more and more controlling. He limited Susan spending to like $100. She could only spend on gas and food. Fuck.

Like I said, this is when she wasn't allowed to use the family car anymore. And she had to bike seven miles to work. Oh my God. So like I said before, she didn't want to get divorced. but she also wasn't stupid. Yeah. So this is when she contacted a divorce, a divorce lawyer. A divorce lawyer.

A divorce lawyer. A divorce lawyer who told her to walk through the house and record all of her assets throughout the house. This video, knowing what you know at the end of this case, is fucking bone-chilling. Oh. Because she's just walking through the house and she's like, you can tell that she's just, like, very bubbly and, like, even, like, while she's doing this, she's, like, talking to the kids. And, like, it's just sad. Oh. She also wrote a will and testament up and said, and she wrote on it,

for the family and friends of Susan, all except Josh Powell, husband. I don't trust him. Whoa. She also wrote that she feared for her and her children's safety and wanted to leave a paper trail. And wrote, if I die, it may not have been an accident, even if it looks like one. Whoa. Yeah. That is specific.

Very, very. specific. And very smart. Yeah. There's, um, they, they show like pictures of it in the documentary that I watched and it's like so creepy to like it's in her handwriting and it's like obviously. But it's just like, can you imagine being in that position where you're literally sitting there being like, I fear for mine and my children's safety. Yeah. And if something happens to me. It probably wasn't an accident. Like you're literally sitting there having to be like when something awful happens to me. Yeah. And in the video, in the video she says it too she's like in case anything happens and then she's like I hope everything works

out and we all live and she goes happily ever after and she like kind of rolls her eyes in the video oh that's so sad it's i like have chills right now thinking about it because like girl you can yeah so she writes all that up she takes the video and she also had told her friends that josh had been watching shows like forensic files and would make like weird comments about murderers mistakes being like, if I were to kill someone, like I'd make sure that I put their body in a place where no one would find it, like a mine. Oh, God. And oddly enough, a search of the family's computer showed that Josh had looked up mines in nearby places, like Nevada, since the spring, etc. Very casual.

Totally. So I'm going to back up a little bit. I'm going to talk about Steve and Josh and the siblings. Okay. So clearly, like I said, Josh's dad was fucked up, clearly. Creep of the highest order. Creep of the highest order. Josh's older sister, Jen, recalls horrible things from childhood.

I'm not shocked. No. She and all of her siblings, there's five of them, what the bed. And he would make them take ice baths to, like, shock it out of their system. Oh, my God, that horrifies me. Yeah. He also had a very, very serious porn addiction. and it is speculated that he showed the boys porn at your age.

And there's three boys and two girls. He also apparently was like really shitty to Josh in particular to the point where Josh like almost committed suicide, like attempted suicide when he was younger. I think he was like, I'm not sure exactly what he was. And like... What a fucking dick. And it's so weird because then later in life they're so close.

Yeah, I was just going to say. It's like the emotional abuse. and, I mean, physical abuse, perhaps that Steve, like, committed on these kids is so messed up. That's some soul murder shit. Oh, he soul murder. He sold. Murdered them because Josh didn't have a soul clearly. Oh, that's so awful.

And one time. The wedding the bed thing, like, really. An ice bath to shock it out of them. Well, just to punish your child at all. Yeah, it's an accident. It's like, oh, my God. It's literally referred to as an accident. Who never, ever, ever punished my kids for that.

That's awful. And Jen remembers, so Jen is like the oldest sister, she remembers going on a business trip with her dad. And they were staying at like a hotel. And she was like they were in separate buds. But he was literally like watching an X-rated channel like while she was like right there. Oh my God. Like this guy is fucked up. This guy's a fucking creep.

He also mentioned either to his wife or like in his diary, but somehow his wife figured it out that he was interested in polygamy and wanted to. add another woman into their marriage. At a sister wife? And the wife was like, no, I'm not into that. But he must have been, like, cheating on her or something because he gave her a venereal disease while they were married. What the fuck? Yeah.

So messed up. They got to, they didn't get divorced until Josh was, like, 16, though. Holy shit. So I don't know, like, what these kids' childhoods were like, but if this guy was, like, this messed up and, like, treating their mom this horribly, and they didn't get divorced until their second oldest kid was 16. Like these kids must have seen some fucking shit. Oh my God. It was so awful. Why do you do these things to your children? I don't understand this. And that's the thing.

So easy to not do those things to your children. So like I said, Josh had four siblings. First Jen, she's the oldest. She's like the, she's kind of like the voice of reason out of all these kids, if that makes sense. Yeah. Then Josh. Then John, who was mentally ill, he was. He was. was bipolar and had schizophrenia. And then Michael was next. He was the younger brother. And then Alina. Okay.

So Jen says while they were growing up, Steve would often put the boys against the girls. And honestly, the entire family dynamic was just very, like, strange and like, like, very, like, sexual, like, undertones. Like, eke. It was a very, very dark family scene. Yeah.

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start looking more into their relationship. The lead investigator on the case starts looking through Michael's emails and finds this email to Apollo mapping in Boulder, Colorado, asking for a super high resolution photo of a wrecking yard in Oregon. Huh. Did I say that right this time? Oregon, you did. I did.

You said it right. So this is interesting to note because the day after Susan disappeared, Michael and Alina went out to Utah. to be close to Josh and the kids, and they stayed for about two weeks. Then when they were driving home, they broke down. And instead of fixing the car, Michael had it taken to this salvage lot in Oregon because he knew it would be destroyed instead of repaired. So it's shady.

Why did you want to spend way more money getting your car destroyed than just spend way less to just repair it? Yeah, that's strange. And you're going to send it all the way there when you could just, like, go to a mechanic clothes. to hear. No. It doesn't make any sense.

Nope. Not at all. So the investigators find out about this, and they send canines out who were trained to sniff out human decomposition. Cadabod dogs. Yes. They immediately go to Michael's trunk, indicating that there had been a dead human in the trunk at one point in time.

Oh, no. Which led police to believe that Michael may have been involved in, like, relocating Susan's body for Josh. So they send a vehicle in for, for. forensic testing and it comes back insufficient and there's not enough evidence to make an arrest. It's just like

dead end after dead end. They know that somehow this family off Susan and is like getting away with it. And is doing it together. And it's the scariest thing. This is like a Texas chainsaw massacre family. Oh it is. This is some dark shit. It's just like dead end after dead end like I said. But Josh's sister Jen is

fully convinced that her father and brothers are hiding some shit. Oh, she knows. She knows. She's like, my family is involved in Susan's disappearance and I will fucking prove it. Oh my God. I can't imagine being in her position. So she goes to the police and is like, put a wire on me. I'll show up at my dad's house. Boss bitch. Boss bitch moves. That's so hard. I was like freaking out for this girl. I was like, girl, get it. She's like, put a wire on me. I will go to my dad's house. I know that my brother is like going to be having dinner there. I'm going to fucking infiltrate the situation.

I'm going to crack this case while I'm going to shove him into a corner and I'm going to make him fucking admit what he did. Holy shit. So she goes through the entire dinner. It's literally sitting there wiretapped throughout the entire dinner. My God, I'm just sweating. And they play clips and she's talking like, like she's killing it. Wow.

So after dinner, she kind of like moves Josh into a study room. It's just the two of them. So she like tensions are running super high and she doesn't want him to leave without saying anything. And she's trying to like press him into it. She's like, what happened to Susan? Like if you admit it now, maybe you won't get the death penalty like blah blah. He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like blah blah.

And at one point he's like, my lawyer told me not to comment on anything so I'm not going to. And it's like you're your sister. Right. Like I'm trying to have like a bonding talk with you. Yeah. And Josh just leaves. Like he's like, you know what? fuck this, I'm out, and just takes the kids and leaves.

So then Steve gets wicked pissed off that she, like, accused her brother of this. And he starts yelling. And then Alina says that Jen, or excuse me, that Susan is a lying bitch and that Jen, and then Jen eventually leaves. And nothing comes from the wiretapping. So it's like this big, huge, like, family blowout. And it's like Jen against the world. Literally Jen against the world.

Wow. It's crazy. So after a little while, of kind of like trying to dad and do his thing. Josh moves in with his dad and the two kids. So at this point they're all living in their fucking house in Steve's creepy-ass dark dungeon house. That sounds like fun.

Yes, super fun. And their new plan of attack was to paint this picture of Susan as this like promiscuous sexual being. Oh, God. Alina says that she specifically felt like Susan fed into Steve's advances and flirted back. Oh yeah, it's totally her. fault. Well, if you watch

the videos... Oh my god. I was, I was yelling at the TV. I was like, fuck you. But if you watch the videos, like some of them, she doesn't even know that he's filming her in. Yeah, he's like voyering her. And it's, oh my God, it's just going to become

very evident to you who the real monster is if you see these videos. So they're on this whole tirade of making Susan look like a piece of shit. And Josh and Steve have Susan's diary. from when she was a teenager. And they're saying, like, they might piece together, like, her disappearance.

Like, she says, like, some crazy shit in here. Oh, God. And they're making it seem like that. And they also said at one point, Steve made this whole theory up that Susan was having an affair with this, like, journalist that went missing at the same time that she did. Oh, so they're really trying to. But they weren't at all linked, like, in any way, shape, or form. So they literally just pulled up.

Yeah, maybe she ran off with that guy. Yeah, totally. And then they. the world was like, no, that's not what happened. But they told police that they're going to hand these journals over and it's going to piece everything together and clear their names. Yeah, because I know my high school journals would totally piece together my future disappearance. Absolutely.

They have everything to do with my current life. I'd be like, today at lunch we had Kohl'slaw. Yeah. If you looked at my high school journals, you'd be like, whoa. I was also an eggsy little bitch. As was I. Like ridiculous. But then they retract that and they're like, no, we're not handing those over.

like those are our property. So the police are like, what are you? Right. And the police don't have enough evidence to get a search warrant because they can't prove that the diaries are in the house.

So the police come up with this like crazy like campaign thing. And it's in August 2011. They come up with this idea to do a honk in wave to bait Steve and or Josh like to because they do it near the house and they know that they're going to drive by

and they have been talking to the media like crazy so they know if they see like camera crews and like Susan's family because Susan's dad was there that it's going to cause like this scene and they're going to say something incriminating. Oh, okay. Which is exactly what happens. Oh, shocked. So it's like big groups of people and they're holding pictures of Susan and it's just like, it says like remember me at the top and it's like for any information, you've seen them.

Yeah. So sure enough, Steve and Josh drive by and Steve gets out of the car and he's being like a dick to Susan's dad and like they're going back and forth at each other and he's like he starts he brings up the diaries and he's like those are my son's property like yeah we have them and like they're going to piece together everything but blah blah blah blah so he literally inserts his foot into his mouth just dumb ass because then the police get the search warrant and they go to search the house they find the diaries and they're like yonk and they find some other disturbing crazy Shit. Oh, no.

So this is when they find all those videos that I've been referencing this whole time. Like cases on cases, on cases of fucking cassettes or like whatever the fuck you put videos on. Oh, that's so dark. That's so dark. Oh, you think that's dark? They also find cotton swabs in plastic bags labeled Susan. And it was like cotton swabs where she had like taken off her nail polish. The fuck?

They also find underwear in bags, feminine hygiene products in bags, toenail clippings, and hair, all in bags labeled Susan. And they all have, like, different dates on them. I have left the atmosphere. And there's pictures. Beyond. There's pictures. I'm beyond. That is nightmare.

Nightmare, nightmare, nightmare. Like straight up. Nightmare. Like if you wrote that in a horror movie, people would be like, come on. I've never even heard that in a horror movie because it's so dark. That's what I mean. If you wrote a horror movie with this shit, people would be like, I mean, come on, you're like creating this really weird fantasy character. And this is a real person.

Exactly. Oh, my God. Like, feminine hygiene products? Like, dude. Like, you needed those, bro? Like, shit. That's gross. And toenails?

And toenails? Like, what the fuck were you doing with her toenails? some weird I don't know I don't want to know what you needed with them Steve I don't love it

yeah so I hate it um they also find over 5,000 photos of Susan and like in some of the photos he like morphed himself

and like photoshoped himself into that like this is like single white female shit but like on steroids this is so beyond it is the most fucked up thing ever um

but they also find other videos of different women, like women in short skirts, women changing in bathrooms, teenage girls changing in bathrooms. Oh, so this guy's a literal monster. Yeah. So Steve gets arrested as fuck. He gets arrested as fuck.

Like arrested as fuck on the spot. Good. The children immediately are taken into protective custody. Think you. Yeah. I've been waiting for those words to come out of your mouth. It's like, when was that going to happen? This whole time I'm like, God, those poor boys.

And the investigators that were there that day said that Josh didn't even hug them goodbye. Like he was just like, oh, like shit. What? Like this dude is weird. So Susan's parents get granted temporary custody. But then Josh was given the chance to regain custody. No. If he proved to a court-ordered psychologist that he could like raise the children in a healthy household.

No. Which he clearly fucking hadn't been for all these years. I can answer it for him. He can't. And at this point, the kids are, I think they're like five and three. seven at this point. So they've already gone through some shit. Yeah. I mean, number one,

your mother being missing, but number two. Your mom's missing for years at this point. You're being raised by that guy. By those dudes. And that family. And first of all, Susan's parents said that when they got the kids back, or like when they were granted custody of them, that they were out of control and they were like very violent towards each other. And it just,

it was very evident that like no one was parenting them. Yeah, Like they weren't getting values or lessons. And also the kids were there's, I don't know if this happened like after the kids got taken away, but they show this clip in the documentary I watched where one of the boys is talking to a psychologist or a psychiatrist. And he said, they're like, what do you know about mommy? Like just saying like do you like just like bringing up the mom. Yeah. And he's like, oh, mommy's missing.

But we're not allowed to talk about that or camping. I have a lot of secrets. I just got full bone chills. Yeah. That just ruined me. He said we're not allowed to talk about that. Oh my God. And at one point, I'm literally getting chills just like thinking about this.

A sweet little baby like that. Yeah. He also, one of the kids at one point, like draws a picture of all of them in the van. And it's like, Daddy's driving. That's Charlie. that's Brayden and then he points to the trunk and it goes and that's mommy in the trunk. Nope. No. No. So I want to leave. Yeah, I literally, I have goosebumps right now. I want to go somewhere else. I want to be anywhere else. I want some ice cream. I just want, I can't. I love that I'm destroying you.

You're destroying me right now. I hate that it's with this case because I'm destroying myself, but typically it's me getting destroyed. Yeah. So you're welcome. I just can't imagine what like how do you just like, how do you just like destroy a sweet little baby and put all that like weight on them. How do you do that to your kids? How do you kill your fucking wife? Like there's just so many things in life. There's a lot of layers to this that I cannot understand. I just think of these poor little brains having to like just stifle all of this and like, oh God.

And the fact that he was like we're not allowed to talk about that. Like I have to keep a lot of secrets. Yeah, like this is, I have to keep big secrets. It is a clip. Like it is, he said it. It's not just like a quote. like an article quote. Like it's a video.

Like I said, Josh has to prove that he's like capable of being what he hasn't been forever. Oh, good dad. And, but while this custody battle is happening, the police searched Josh's hard drive and find, it's not actually child pornography. It's like simulated child pornography.

It's like, I don't know if it, how to say it, if it's like animated, but it's like drawings, but it's like supposed to be. But it's, yeah. Oh my God. But they can't arrest him for it because it's not technically.

It's not actual like children. Right, exactly. Oh my God. But he is ordered to take a psychosexual evaluation, which includes a polygraph test, where they can ask anything they want. And it's like you should never, I don't, if you're drawing those pictures or you're using those images in some way,

it's like you should never have children. Right. Again. So he's supposed to take this test But in the meantime he is granted supervised visitations with the kids Because it's just the way the fucking system works Such bullshit So they're supposed to take place at it

Like a government funded facility And that's where they started But then because of the notoriety of the case Other parents were like Yeah it's a media frenzy And I just want to see my kid So he was able to have them at his house That sounds safe.

Yeah, totally. And they were still supervised. But still. So somehow Josh got away with this. I don't know how this even happened. Like, this is like a crack in the system. Yeah. So Susan's parents were really nervous that something was going to happen.

And unfortunately, they were right. February 5th, 2012 was Super Bowl Sunday. That morning, Josh was having a visit with the kids. A social worker picked them up. Charlie and Brayden at Susan's parents' home and brought them to Josh's home that he was renting just down the street from where he used to live with Steve.

When she gets to the home, Josh lets the kids in, but like slams the door in her face. Like looks her in the eye and slams the door in her face, won't let her in. I have like a sick feeling in my stomach right now. And it like makes me want to cry a little bit.

Like I haven't had to say it out loud yet, but I've like heard it. He, when he slams the door, she gets a whiff of gasoline in her face. Oh God. So she immediately calls the police. This guy is an idiot. Like the way that he handled this call, I don't know if he got fired or what happened, but he should have.

But is it awful? It's horrific. So she calls and the dispatcher basically says he doesn't see it as a life-threatening situation and says they're going to, she doesn't know the exact address of where she is. It's like 2012 at this point, so I don't understand why they couldn't locate her through GPS. And he's like, well, I don't know where you are. like I'm trying to figure out where you are. And then she says she can hear the kids crying. She smells gasoline and she's in fear for their lives.

Like this is a life-threatening situation. How is this not a... Oh my God, I'm so angry right now. And then all of a sudden, the house fucking explodes into a burst of flames. Oh, my God. Josh had not only doused the house himself, the area the boys were in with gasoline, but also the autopsy later showed that the boys had been assaulted with an axe or a pick or like a hatchet. and they had blows to their heads.

But that's not how they died. They died because of smoke inhalation. Oh. So he attacked his kids with a hatchet and then lit the house on fire. I am having such a moment right now. Yeah, I haven't had to say that out loud. And saying it out loud was horrible. Oh.

And this is really going to fuck you up even more. Oh, gosh. The boys were found lying on the floor holding hands. Oh. Oh, oh. Oh. I know. Oh, my God. My heart feels like it's going to fall out of my butt.

And before this happened, Josh, like, said goodbye to it, like, called and left this voicemail with, like, a bunch of people and was, like, I'm saying goodbye. Like, this has all been too much. Oh, my God. So, like, goodbye. So, and, but he didn't say that he was going to, like, take the kids with him. Oh, my God. Like, dude, why couldn't you have just killed yourself? That's the thing.

Dude, because his whole thing was like, I can't live without my boys. Like, I can't live without those children. And it's like, okay, cool, then kill yourself. They don't have to die. Die because no one wants you run to your under. And if you love them so much, why did you attack them with a fucking hatchet? Their last moments. I mean, that's the darkest shit.

That's beyond. The darkest shit. That really is beyond. So a month after that, my heart hurts. Steve pled not guilty to 14 counts of boys. lawyerism and one count of child pornography. The judge wouldn't... He's so fucking gross, dude.

The judge wouldn't let any videos of Susan count as evidence against Steve because she wasn't there to say that she hadn't consented to being on these videos. And the defense said, anyone could have taken those videos. Like it wasn't, it didn't necessarily have to be Steve. Because in some of them you can't see his face. Sometimes the justice system, man. is... It's so fucked it.

This case is a very clear show of how the justice system fails a lot of people. There's a lot of lapses here. The defense also even pointed the finger at Josh's mentally ill brother, who I mentioned before, John. But he had been kicked out at the time by Steve himself. Like, he didn't live in the house at the time that these videos were taken. And it's like you're just trying to find an easy target. Right. Every single time that a question was asked about Susan, Steve pled the fifth.

Every single time. Because he's a fucking lying piece of shit. So he was sentenced to 10 years in prison. A year after that trial, Michael, Josh's brother, who I mentioned earlier, with the car, committed suicide. This is not shocking. And then... Because I think they all have one big thing weighing on their conscience.

One big fucking secret. And then in July of 27th. Steve Powell was released from prison to like a halfway house and he had a heart attack and died before detectives could ask him up for any more information. So they literally all took this to the grave. Yeah, they wanted to get to Steve. Like they heard that he had had a heart attack and they wanted to get to him and be like, okay, like deathbed confession.

What up? You're on your deathbed monster. Before they got there. He fucking died. That fucking asshole. Yeah. Like. And.

And in journals of Steve's, they later found that he wrote on the day after she disappeared. So it was like the 7th of December that the family was reported missing. On December 8th, Steve wrote in his journal, quote, I feel like Josh did a truly stupid thing and probably disposed of her body in a truly grotesque way. I think he probably went to some former industrial land just west or just west of West Valley City and cremated her. Josh's life with Susan was utterly miserable. Evidently, this tragedy is my answer for why Josh hung on.

He wanted to do it his way and avoid a messy, costly divorce. Yeah, you don't want to deal with a divorce. So maybe... This was obviously much easier. Like, obviously. And much cleaner. It was so much better. Wow.

So that is the story of the disappearance of Susan Powell. and she's never been found. Wow. And they went through like the, because they found all those searches on his computer for like mines and shit. Yeah. They searched mines. They searched like places everywhere.

Like nothing has ever been found. And all those fuckers. Just up and died. Mm-hmm. The only people that are left are John, who I don't think was involved. Yeah. Alina who fucking sucks. Who I bet Alina knows.

I don't even know if she knows. I think Alina is in denial because she's like, this whole thing has made my family like look like monsters and it's like, no, your family is monsters. Yeah, for the most fair you are. And Jen. And Jen is left and she's the only one who's like. And she is like so sad.

Like she's just in the, in every interview, she's like the saddest. Oh my God. And it drives her crazy that she wasn't able to get the confession out of him when she was wired. That probably weighs on her. And she said she said it weighs on her every single day. Because it's like, and it's like what, she was this badass who went in. That would have been the most terrifying situation.

I can't even imagine. We're wearing a wire in any situation. No. Not that I've worn a wire. I'm just saying. I imagine it's very scary. And she said she was like, those boys were supposed to be full of like ambition and hopes and dreams. And they got robbed of it.

In the most horrific way. Grusome. And the fucking 9-1-1. operator that answered the phone. I don't know where he is, but I hope he stubs his toe every day multiple times a day. Yeah, seriously. He, like, it is so, I can't even listen to the 911 call again because I've listened to it like a few times.

And it is, I'm like, you are not, like, who trained you? Yeah, like, what do you, this is very clear. Like, and who are you to determine whether it's a life and death situation? Right. You're 911. You just come. You just dispatch. And when they get there, they determine it.

And I hate to say this, but I just feel like if a different person had answered, it potentially could have saved their lives because it took almost 20 minutes from the time that she made the call until first responders got there. 20 fucking minutes. Fuck. Yeah. And just like that whole thing where like the door slams and she got a whiff of gas. It's the most haunting thing I've ever heard in my life.

You just said it and I got chills even though I know it fucking happened. And that she was saying she could hear them crying. She could hear them crying. That ruins me. And he looked her, like, in the eyes and slammed the door in her face. Like, that is what nightmares are made of. Yeah, that took a part of me and just threw it away. Yeah.

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