Morbid - The Unbelievable Disappearance of Angela Green

Episode Date: August 24, 2026

When Ellie Green left her house on the night of June 19, 2019, she thought she and her mother would continue their conversation the following day. However, Ellie says that she was shocked to discover ...that, just four days later, her father had her mother committed to a psychiatric hospital and she wouldn’t be allowed to see her. She was even more shocked when, a month later, she says that she was told that her mother had died from a stroke while in the hospital. Devastated by her mother's death, Ellie wanted an explanation of how someone so young could suddenly die, but each question was met with vague and confusion answers. This was just the beginning of the mystery surrounding her mother's disappearance. If anyone has any information about Angela Green’s disappearance, investigators urge them to call the TIPS Hotline at 816-474-TIPS. Information can also be sent to Steve Ridge directly at (319) 573-0657 or steveridge40@gmail.com. References Adler, Eric. 2023. "$25k reward offered for information on missing woman." Kansas City Star, March 4: 1. —. 2020. "'Dateline NBC' to explore case of missing Johnson County mom." Kansas City Star, October 29: 4. —. 2020. "Teen seeks truth of mom's mysterious disappearance." Kansas City Star, July 26: 1. —. 2022. "Three-year search from missing Prairie Village woman heats up." Kansas City Star, May 4: 10. 2026. People Magazine Investigates. Directed by Bruno Bahunek. Honeycutt, Sherae. 2020. Daughter of missing Prairie Village woman aching for answers as disappearance surpasses a year. February 26. Accessed August 18, 2026. https://fox4kc.com/news/exclusive-daughter-of-missing-prairie-village-woman-aching-for-answers-as-disappearance-surpasses-a-year/. —. 2020. Recorded phone calls involving missing Prairie Village woman’s case raise more questions. October 29. Accessed August 19, 2026. https://fox4kc.com/news/recorded-phone-calls-involving-missing-prairie-village-womans-case-raise-more-questions/. Pelisek, Christine. 2026. A Mom Went Missing in 2019 After Arguing with Daughter. Her Husband Stopped Talking to Investigators a Long Time Ago. February 21. Accessed August 21, 2026. https://people.com/mom-vanished-2019-angela-green-daughter-wants-answers-11911133. Shriner, Zoe, and Betsy Weber. 2024. Five years since Prairie Village mom Angela Green disappeared without a trace. September 11. Accessed August 18, 2026. https://www.kctv5.com/2024/09/12/kc-unsolved-five-years-since-prairie-village-mom-angela-green-disappeared-without-trace/. Webster, Betsy. 2026. Private investigator claims new lead on Prairie Village mom’s disappearance, police not yet informed. March 2. Accessed August 18, 2026. https://www.kctv5.com/2026/03/03/private-investigator-claims-new-lead-prairie-village-moms-disappearance-police-not-yet-informed/. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey, weirdos. I'm Malina. I'm Ash. And this is morbid. It is. It's morbid. It was like raining and like gloomy earlier. And then the sun came out for a minute. And then the second we started doing morbid again, this is the weather with ash. It's gloomy again. It is. It's almost like the weather new. The weather always knows. It feels faltober out there. Hey, it's October and I'm living my life like that. Honestly, it's almost fucking over. October is almost over. And then we're just in pre-October. We're in the burrs.
Starting point is 00:00:47 Yeah, bitch. As soon as we hit the bur months, it's on. I am going to literally, like, just roll around in a pile of leaves on September 1st. Yeah. And I'm going to, like, I don't even know. I'm saying. I'm going to just, like, I'm just going to, like, punch a pumpkin in a jolly way. A gosh darn pumpkin.
Starting point is 00:01:08 Yeah. I like that you're going to punch it in a jolly way. Yeah, really. I would never heard a pumpkin. Never. Have you seen the meme that's like, I'm going to shove a pumpkin up my house? Yeah. I love that.
Starting point is 00:01:19 That's honestly the vibe around here. It's the vibe. Like, let's go. Just shove a pumpkin up your ass. I've already started bacon with pumpkin. Don't worry about that. I was moving away from what you were saying. I've already started shoving pumpkins.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Figuratively, yeah, because I already started baking with pumpkin. I made an apple crisp the other day. I'm going to continue to try to move off. It was 90 degrees out and I made beef stew. That's disgusting. It was cold in my house. So I was like, here we go. And honestly, the girls wanted beef stew. And they were like, there's air conditioning in here. Why? I too, I love beef stew. But why does it sound like the nastiest dish? Oh, it sounds disgusting. You guys want some beef stew? Yeah, no, it sounds terrific. And speaking of Halloween, I just thought of this. I thought of something I wanted to say.
Starting point is 00:02:11 I'm doing to let you guys know. I gotta tell you guys if you're not, first of all, watching Annalie on TikTok. And second of all, checking out her app and website and all this shit called Along the Waves. This is not sponsored. Like, she has not asked us to do this. It just popped up this morning. And I was like, oh, I want to tell everybody about that. Do you know that she's sending us stuff?
Starting point is 00:02:35 I'm so fucking excited because she has like a new. So she has this really cool app. She did this all herself. She's a badass bitch. She's like an engineer. Yeah, she's literally brilliant. Yeah, she's a bad bitch. Go follow her on TikTok. She's awesome. She did this all herself.
Starting point is 00:02:51 Like, this is her company along the waves. And it's basically like moms can like get together on this app and be like, hey, I'm having a tough day today. And I bet you are too. And like you could get on it at like three in the morning and be like, hey, who's up? I'm awake. What's up? And people will be there. It's just like community for moms.
Starting point is 00:03:09 Hell yeah. And it's so good, such a good idea. Yeah. I think it's great that everybody should know about it. And she has like merch that goes along with it, like along the waves merch. And she has a Halloween collection that is so fucking cute. It's sick. It's so cute.
Starting point is 00:03:27 Like I'm telling you guys, we'll put the link in our show notes just so you guys can get there. Yep. Because you guys would love this merch. There's one shirt that literally has ghosts like pretty much where your boobs are. And it says boobies. It's so cute. And I love it. So that's the thing.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Even if you're not a mom, you could get the boobie shit. Oh, yeah. You can absolutely wear this stuff. You know if you're not a mom. So it's worth checking out no matter what. Yeah. Even if you just love that stuff. But yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:54 And I think the app is really worth throwing out there. Hell yeah. Because like if you're a new mom, if you're a mom for a while, if you're just like a guardian of a child and you're going through it. If you're a mother fucking mom. If you're a caretaker of any kind going through it, this is a really good app to have. Hell yeah. I just wanted to shout out, Annali. I love her. She's the best. I love Annalia. I also feel like we're like best friends that I've never met because we chat. I do too. In fact, when I was, when like my whole house got neurovirus, like back to back to back and then I got it. Like it was just like this horrific week. Oh my God. We chatted. I literally like texted her at some or like DM'd her at some crazy time at night and was like, hey, I feel like you're going to get this. Hey, my whole family just got taken out. And she was like, I get this. So she practices what you. she preaches, my friend.
Starting point is 00:04:41 Annalie forever. Annalie forever. But yeah, I just wanted to shout that out. It was just like a fun thing to shout out. No, that new drop is like next level. The new drop is so good. And honestly, I would wear that just not even around Halloween time. I would wear that forever.
Starting point is 00:04:54 There's so many good ones. But yeah, good call. I think, I think that's, I don't think there's any more. Fuck you. Fuck you. If you think there's no more business. Elena's just not telling people that she got number three on the New York. Times bestseller list. Third time getting on the New York Time bestseller list. So I'm telling
Starting point is 00:05:18 people. I appreciate that. Because I'm not going to tell people my own good news. She's actually, she's holding, she's holding her neck in like a weird like somewhat fetal position, I suppose. And she's covered in a blanket. And now she's holding her face like, please stop telling them. I don't know how to receive compliments. You're goddamn crazy writer. And it's nuts. Thank you. First of all, okay. Just like, I just like, I won't look at you. The fact that the first book, you had never written shit in your life aside from like, you know, like you wrote stuff, but like you didn't know. Yeah, like a full form book. Then you write a full book and it ends up, what was that? The first one was number two. Behind Stephen King. Which is basically number one because Stephen King. Hello. And then the second one was number one, right? Yeah. Number one for a sequel. Yeah. Hello? And then number three, personally, I believe you're number one because you were up against the lady who wrote the help, which like amazing. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:10 I love that book. I love that movie. I don't know what the new book is. The Calamity Club, I believe it's called. Oh, I'm a part of that. Yeah. I don't even know about it. But I'm part of it.
Starting point is 00:06:20 I don't need to know about it to be about it. And then yesteryear, which is like everybody's losing their titties over yesterday. I bought that. I haven't read it yet. Yeah, I haven't read it yet. But number, hello? The third one being, like the third book in a series being number three, even like top five would have been nuts. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:39 Just being on the list at all is literally insane, especially with the third book. I was very thankful to all of you for getting me there because you all showed up. Bad bitches. You all showed up. So I appreciate it. I'll share it with you. Congratulations to all of you as well because you got us there. Okay.
Starting point is 00:06:57 That's nice. It matters. No, it does matter for sure. But you need to take your own achievement. I appreciate that. You're welcome. We're all in this together. Don't use my lore against me.
Starting point is 00:07:08 You posted a thing the other day that was like, how do I explain that I'm like, what's your millennial level? It was like an AOL like Hollister. Hollister. MySpace. What are the other ones? I can't remember now. It was like most of those. And then you were like that kind of millennial versus like a Jonas Brothers high school musical justice.
Starting point is 00:07:33 Yeah. Because I was like, yeah, I was not. What was the other one? There was a bunch of other ones. And I was like, how do I explain that I'm both of these millennials? Because I'm like some from the first one and some from the second one, but not all of them. You're in the middle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:46 Which is weird because I'm at the end of the millennial years. You are. Yeah. I can't find it now. But yeah, that was. It's a very big distinction, though. You're like, you would think you would be, I think it's because you had like me. It is.
Starting point is 00:08:00 Because otherwise you would just strictly be that other. I did this for you. I did that. I gave you both sides of it. Here's the thing. I never, one, I wasn't into. justice and two we was broke so I couldn't have justice what is. What is? I don't even know what justice is. It was a store. It was like a clothing store. I could be completely factless right here.
Starting point is 00:08:20 I think it was like from the same people as like limited two. Oh, okay. Limited two is my shit. I could be totally wrong. But we also could I could not afford that. Yeah. I did get hammy downs though. Hell yeah. Yeah. They rocked. Um, and I ever really fucks with the Jonas brothers that heavy. I was a little. little out of their age group. You were much out of there. High school musical, take me back to God's country. That's my shit. Only number one though. Yeah, there you go. But me and Aden fight about that because he's Gen Z and he's like number two is superior. He loves number two. Oh, shit. Do you like number two better than number one? To even think about that is absolutely bananas to me. I don't know any of that. I've never watched one. No. Don't act like you don't know. You took me, Elena,
Starting point is 00:09:04 to high school musical on ice. Oh, I did. I've never watched the movies, though. You've never seen the first one. Why would I have watched the first one? Because I watched it so many times. Oh my God. Is that what we're doing? I've seen bits and pieces. No. Is that what we're doing? No, it's not what we're doing. I've seen bits and pieces because the girls started watching it, but I didn't know there's three. It's not, from what I've seen. It's not for me. Careful. It's not for me. All right. Not for me. I haven't rewatched it since I was probably like 12. Me? I'm a zombies girl.
Starting point is 00:09:42 Yeah, zombies is good. Zombies slaps. Actually, I can't even say that. I haven't seen the movies, but I love the soundtracks. Movies are great. Yeah? Movies are great. The soundtracks?
Starting point is 00:09:54 Fucking bangers. Bangers. Descendants? I don't think so. No? That's just me. Zombies all the way. I'm team zombies.
Starting point is 00:10:02 And this is on childhood and parenthood. Yeah. Thanks for tuning. Different eras. Yeah. Wow. I love it. So here we are.
Starting point is 00:10:09 What do you have for us today? And there's literally no way to segue into this appropriately. So we're just going to do it. No, I don't know how you move from musical musical to this. But you can market the people who do that. Gerald? There you go. Stop your time.
Starting point is 00:10:21 Watch. It's Gerald's time now. Yeah. So we're going to be talking about a disappearance today. And it's a very strange one. Okay. It's more recent, I would say. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:33 And I think this one is one of those that I want everybody to think on it. Because any information that comes in, I think it's still unsolved. Like, we don't know what happens. Okay. It's one of those that like any ears, I think, would be a good thing. So we're going to talk about the completely head-scratching disappearance of Angela Green. Oh, I have read actually, this is a case that I actually really know a lot about, I think, anyways. I've read about this recently.
Starting point is 00:11:04 Yeah. This is strange. It is very strange. And I really feel for her daughter. I do too. In this situation. I feel for her daughter hard. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:11:14 So I really hope something comes to pass that she can get some answers. Yeah. So let's talk about Angela Green. Okay. Angela Green was born in China in 1962. She was the second of two daughters, born to college professors. She was born in a suburb of Bay Area. And like many young people in China, she spent the first, you know, what, like 20 years of her life
Starting point is 00:11:39 in a pretty small rural village, dreaming of an exciting life in the city. After graduating from high school, she did find some work as a model. She was beautiful. Stunning. Stunning. And was training to become a journalist. But what she really wanted most of all was to move to the United States because her sister had a few years earlier. Now, in the mid-1990s, Angela finally got her chance to travel to the states with her sister, to go visit her sister, I should say,
Starting point is 00:12:08 because her sister and her husband were living in Kansas at the time, so she was going to go there. While she was here, she was here on a tourist visit, and friends of Angela's parents introduced her to Jeff Green. Okay.
Starting point is 00:12:21 He was an IT specialist, 15 years her senior. He spoke fluent Mandarin. Oh, wow. which is wild. Yeah, that is. Very impressive. Despite the age difference between them, again, like 15 years, they hit it off completely and continued their relationship through phone calls and letters,
Starting point is 00:12:38 like long distance. Nice. By 1998, Angela was living in Prairie Village, Kansas, finally. And she ended up living with Jeff on a fiancé visa. Ooh, we know about those. They were going to get married. Now, Angela's sister and her husband were super happy to have another member of the family living so close.
Starting point is 00:12:55 but it was really her niece, Michelle, who was the most excited to have her aunt nearby. Since she was in the country on a fiancé visa, Angela wasn't able to work in the country. So she spent a lot of her time with Michelle. And Michelle later said, we had a very special bond. It was always me and my aunt going on Little Adventures. I thought she was so beautiful and I wanted to be beautiful like her. Oh, my God. Isn't that like the sweetest thing ever?
Starting point is 00:13:21 That is precious. That's like us. We were always going on Little Adventures. And you thought I was so beautiful. And I did think you were, and I do think you're so beautiful. And I wanted to be just like you. I was like, oh. And so Angela and Jeff got married in 1998.
Starting point is 00:13:34 But that was also, so this was a very happy event, obviously. But it was also followed by a little bit of a period of frustration and sadness for Angela. Oh. Because she loved being near her sister, but she was struggling to adjust to a life in Kansas. Yeah. That's a very different place. It's a very different place. And like, you can't work.
Starting point is 00:13:54 That's got to be tough. It's tough. Like you can't really meet too many new people. Yeah. It's tough to get out there in the community. She also, and making that even harder, she also felt like very self-conscious about her limited English. Aw. Which I can't imagine how that feels. Yeah. To, like, not know what people are saying.
Starting point is 00:14:11 Yeah. Like, I feel like going to another country and not knowing the language or not being able to speak it would be scary. Yeah, absolutely. It just would be. Like, you feel a little helpless and vulnerable because. Yeah. And limited. Yeah. So as a result, she spent a lot of. of her time alone. And she really only talked with her family or Jeff, which left her feeling a little isolated and lonely. That's tough. Two years later, Angela gave birth to a baby girl, Ellie.
Starting point is 00:14:36 Her whole life changed for the better after Ellie was born. Not only did caring for Ellie give Angela something that completely fulfilled her and filled her days, but it also gave her like meaning and direction. And she felt like this is my purpose. Ellie said in a 2020 interview about her mom, She's incredible, and she would give without receiving anything back. She poured her soul into raising me and taking care of me growing up, so I was her world. Which, like, just kills me. To have that is, like, so incredibly special. Now, from the moment she was born, Ellie was the absolute center of her mother's world.
Starting point is 00:15:15 As soon as she could talk, Angela began teaching her Mandarin. Oh, cool. And in time, Ellie became her mother's best friend and confidant. Like, they were just BFFs. They spent every day together with Angela taking thousands of photos of her and pushing her daughter to be the best version of herself in every situation. She says obviously her mom had like very high standards for her, but she just like pushed her to be better. And she said she had a pretty happy childhood. Like she was, it was nothing like too crazy.
Starting point is 00:15:44 Okay. Her cousin, Ellie's cousin, Michelle, confirmed that Angela and Jeff were definitely strict with Ellie. They wouldn't allow her to have like sleepovers. She didn't have a lot of play dates with other kids. I don't allow sleepovers either. It's interesting because when I was younger, I used to be like, you're not going to do sleepovers. Like, what the hell? Sleepovers are fucking weird.
Starting point is 00:16:04 No, I just won't do them. Like, they can get weird. Yeah. And I don't blame you now. Yeah. And I don't care about anyone else's opinion about that. Like, you can do whatever you want to do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:16:13 Nothing will change. You can sleep over at my house. I'll bring you, you can have a late over. Honestly, I would have loved a late over. Yeah, because then you sleep in your own bed. Yeah. You're not. a house where you don't know everything that's going on in that house. I can't tell everything that's
Starting point is 00:16:27 going on in anybody's else. No, and we've told some gnarly stories. Exactly. And I can even bring you back over early in the morning and you have breakfast for you. Hell yeah. You know, we've done that with some of their friends like over our house. Yeah. Yeah. But I won't get into that. I think actually, I will say, though, it kind of seems like the new thing. It is. A lot of late-overs. We don't feel like on an island because a lot of people are doing it. So the rules in the greenhouse were put in place to ensure that Ellie's primary focus with her education. Yeah. And it paid off because in 2018, Ellie was admitted to the University of Kansas where she planned to study data analytics and finance. Damn. Which like you need a big brand for that.
Starting point is 00:17:06 You absolutely do. For Ellie, life on campus was filled with, you know, new experiences and a level of freedom that she probably only dreamed of having. In no time she was making new friends. she was filling up her schedule with social activities and, you know, things that you do in college. Hell yeah. Now, those first semesters at school were fun and exciting for Ellie. But for Angela, it was tough. Yeah, that's nerve-wracking. That's her only child.
Starting point is 00:17:31 That's a nerve-wracking for any parent. Ellie said, I know that she struggled with me being on my own, but she wanted to be there for me. And that struggle really took a toll on her. Yeah. Which is totally understandable. For nearly two decades, Angela Green's life had been consumed with raising her daughter and guiding her towards a successful future. But now that Ellie was away at school, all the old loneliness and feelings of isolation were rushing back. And it's also compounded with like worry and fear and stress from
Starting point is 00:17:59 Ellie being off at school, you know. Yeah, exactly. And there was really not a lot to distract Angela from it. So she would just kind of like wait around. And then when Ellie would come back to a visit on weekends, it was like her bright spot. Oh, that's really sweet. I know. But also like sad that she was so isolated. Yeah. I hate that for her. And she was going through. through some, like, a little bit of, like, a mental health struggle with it. Like, you know. And she tried to hide it, but the change in Angela's mood in her declining mental health, it eventually became obvious to Ellie and Jeff.
Starting point is 00:18:29 Okay. Who did have a talk about how they could get her maybe some help with her mental health. All right. So they knew it was going to be kind of an uphill battle because, like, her personal feelings about it were, like, she just wanted to, like, plow through it. Right. Like, you know, therapy and all that just wasn't on her radar as something that she was planning to do. She didn't really want to pursue it, so they knew it was going to be a tough discussion.
Starting point is 00:18:52 But they tried anyway. And the longer Ellie stayed at school and the more independent she became, the worse it kind of got for Angela. Oh, no. Things reached a breaking point when the school year came to an end, and Ellie returned home. Angela was overjoyed to have her daughter back in the house. But she was kind of crushed when she realized that in addition to working a part-time job that summer, Ellie had made a lot of plans with her friends and her boyfriend, Zach. And Ellie later said, I knew my mom was increasingly upset, but I never knew why. I've never been able to figure it out, and I probably never will.
Starting point is 00:19:27 Oh, that's awful. Yeah. Now, on the evening of June 19th, 2019, Ellie and Angela got into a bit of an argument. I'm not going to go into the specifics of the argument because I don't think... It's not really our business. Yeah. And as you will find out, this is the last time that Ellie saw her mom. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:45 And I think that's like a tough. That's a touchy subject. And it's personal and private. Yeah. But at the end of the argument, basically what happened was, you know, as it happens, especially at that age, you know, I think Angela had said, well, you can just leave now. She said something like that. Okay.
Starting point is 00:20:02 So Ellie said not wanting to make the situation any worse, she left the house and decided to spend the night with her boyfriend's family thinking, like, I'll separate, things will blow over. Yeah. It's a very common thing. It happens all the time. I've had that happen plenty of times in my life. I'm going to let everybody, we're both going to cool down.
Starting point is 00:20:20 We'll have a rational discussion and we'll move forward. And she said, I expected to, she was waiting for an apology. And she said, I expected to go home the next day. I never would have imagined it would have blown up as much as it has. She didn't reach out to me as she has always done. So that again was the last time that she spoke to her mother and she hasn't seen her mother since, which is like heart wrench. I was just going to say that's, I can't imagine having to deal with that.
Starting point is 00:20:48 It's, I feel sick. Because it's, again, such a normal thing that happens. Yeah, you would never think twice about that. Kids and parents get, especially as you get into, like, college and all that. Yeah, just arguments happen. Disagreements happen. Somebody leaves to cool down. There's no way of being able to predict something like this would happen, no.
Starting point is 00:21:09 So the next day, Ellie got a text from her dad asking if they could get together to talk about what happened between her and mother. But Ellie told him she had plans, she wouldn't be available. Two more days passed when she finally heard from him and she was completely unprepared for what he would say. According to Jeff Green, after her fight with Ellie, Angela's mental health problems could no longer be ignored and he was determined to get her help. Okay. Knowing that she would resist any suggestion to see a doctor or therapist, Jeff told Ellie he, quote, tricked her mother to go to a grocery store parking lot where mental health workers forcibly grabbed her and took her away. Now, she's an adult.
Starting point is 00:21:52 You can't do that. Like, what are you taking under Provo? Like, that's the thing. Like, they're... That's not a thing. You can't just call mental health workers to come take an adult away. No, you can 51-50 someone. Like, that's a very different story.
Starting point is 00:22:04 That's a very different... Adult mapping them from a parking lot. And to, like, trick her in a... Like, it just seems... I was like, whoa. If anything was the case where, like, he felt like he needed to step in. and get her the help, he should have taken her to the emergency room. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:22:18 And just to be clear, as we go through this, I'm not accusing anybody of anything. Nope. I'm just telling you what happened. Yep. You can make your own decision about it. Yep. We can all feel how we feel. I'm not accusing anybody.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Nope. So having been raised to be obedient and to trust her parents, Ellie didn't hesitate to believe what her father said. And she was immediately concerned about her mother's well-being. Yeah. Because why, I know it sounds like we're looking at it now and being like, what? Like, that wouldn't happen. If this is your father who again, you've gone your whole life, learned, like, being told
Starting point is 00:23:07 to trust. Yeah. Of course you're not going to question it. Right. And also, you're probably like, whoa, like, things are just spinning. Well, and at the same time, it's like, obviously this sounds crazy to us because we've never experienced anything like this. And, like, I think we're older and we know that things like this don't necessarily happen,
Starting point is 00:23:24 like with mental health professionals kidnapping somebody from a parking lot. But when you're younger, you don't have any experience with that. And her only experience was knowing that her mom was resistant to it. Exactly. So having it be like this big, scary situation, you know, like... You're not going to think your dad would lie to you about something like this. You wouldn't think he'd lie and, you know? Maybe you'd understand like, oh, it got to like such a far point.
Starting point is 00:23:48 I missed what happened here, you know? Like, you'd think that. And she was, again, just immediately... I don't even think she was thinking about. any of that. I think she was just thinking about the well-being of her mother. Yeah. And she said, I was like, oh my God, I need to get mom her clothes, her food, her makeup, whatever else she needs. What a good daughter. But when she asked her father what hospital her mother was in, Jeff was incredibly vague and said only that it was down south somewhere. Okay. Why don't you know
Starting point is 00:24:16 where she is? You called the mental health professionals. Where'd you call him at? Right. And if you do know, presumably be where she is. And if you do know and you're withholding that information, why? Yeah. Withhold that from the daughter. That's the thing. Now, in the days that followed, Jeff Green continued to evade his daughter's questions about the circumstances that led to her mother's disappearance.
Starting point is 00:24:39 And he was like suspiciously avoidant when she asked for details about where she was and when she was coming home. At one point, a few days after Angela was supposedly hospitalized, Ellie insisted she wanted to visit her mother. Yeah, and she has every right to do so. She's an adult. But Jeff told her she wouldn't be allowed to see her. He claimed he had already tried to visit Angela at the hospital. What hospital?
Starting point is 00:25:02 You said you don't know where it is. He said you don't know, but then you tried to visit her there? But she quickly became agitated and tried to assault him, he said. Okay. So he insisted it wouldn't be safe for Ellie to go visit. Which... But you can understand why Ellie would be like, okay? Because again, it's her dad.
Starting point is 00:25:22 It's her dad. And on the flip side of things, too. She just wants her mom to get better, so she doesn't want to agitate the situation. No, and she's probably just shocked. I would be shocked by all this. Yeah. Now, Ellie did continue to press her father for details about her mother, and he continued to ignore her just, like, avoid it or give vague things or change the subject.
Starting point is 00:25:40 Finally, after two full weeks, she received a text from him saying that her mother would be coming home soon and ask that she come to the house and help him clean for her return. Okay. Michelle, the niece later said, Jeff made her. her go through her mom's clothes and only pick out a few outfits to keep. Why would you be getting rid of her clothes if she's coming home? I'm not sure. On July 16th, Angela was supposed to be released from the hospital, and Ellie was excited to finally see her and get some answers. But that night, Jeff called and said he needed to talk to his daughter and that
Starting point is 00:26:14 he was on his way to see her. When he arrived at the Krause's house where she was staying, Ellie was waiting for him in the driveway. And Jeff put his truck in park but left the engine running. Okay. Which to me says like you're not planning on. Yeah. He got out, walked over to his daughter, and allegedly casually told her that Angela had a stroke at the hospital and died.
Starting point is 00:26:40 He hugged her briefly, then got back in his truck and left. For that to be the interaction, if that was the fact of the matter, is awful. Ellie said, I remember the world going blurry. I fell to my knees on the driveway. I couldn't even cry. I had no words. And you just leave her? Like you're, so you're like some of her only family left and you're just like,
Starting point is 00:27:03 okay, peace out. Yeah. That's fucked up. Like, so the next morning, Ellie reached out to her dad to get more information and to find out what happened here and when they would be holding a funeral for her mother. This poor girl. But Jeff was typically, like, just like he was, evasive and vague. He told his daughter the subject was too painful and he couldn't talk about it.
Starting point is 00:27:28 He also insisted she not tell Angela's sister Catherine or anyone else in the family about the death for the time being because it would be too shocking. It's always going to be shocking. I was going to say, actually, the further it goes, it'll become even more shocking that you didn't tell them to begin with. And her boyfriend, Zach's family, they obviously were aware of what happened because she was staying with them when this happened. So that was in their driveway where this happened? And they reached out to Jeff Daufer their condolences and support, but he ignored them entirely. That's rude. From the moment that her mother had gone to the hospital, Ellie was completely in the dark about everything that was happening in her entire family right here.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah. And now her mother was supposedly dead and she had no idea what it happened. She was just had no idea where she was, no idea what was going on, what led to her being put in this place. Isn't allowed to see her mom. Isn't allowed to see her or talk to her. And then it's just told she's dead and then gets no further information. That is so traumatic. And again, she had been raised to follow her parents' rules to trust them completely,
Starting point is 00:28:34 so she continued to do as her father asked. But she was, it's not like she was doing this being like, everything is fine. This makes total sense. She was just raised to trust her parents. So she was just like, this is weird, but I don't know what we're doing. But she's also like a college-aged girl. And like, I don't think many of us can say we've been in this position before. So I don't know what I would do.
Starting point is 00:28:58 And she was rightfully very troubled by her father's vagueness and silence about this whole thing. Again, this is so fucking traumatic. Ellie said, I knew my mother wanted her ashes sent back to China as like a cultural thing. Yeah. But her father refused to speak to her about a funeral or any services claiming he was just still dealing with grief. And it's like, so is she. I was just going to say, even if that is the case that Angela had passed away, had a stroke suddenly, and you don't want to talk about it.
Starting point is 00:29:27 Okay, like, dude, but that's not fair to everybody else. No. There are other people who love her that she also belong to. That are also grieving. And they have every right to grieve in the way that they need to grieve. And also... You can't just, like, gate keep grief like that. Exactly.
Starting point is 00:29:42 And it's like, also, you are going to have to figure out services. Yeah. People... I mean, this is the gritty reality of the world. Absolutely, it is. When people die, they can't just stay where they are forever. You do need to move people out of these places. I've been there.
Starting point is 00:30:00 Yeah. You've got to get somebody to get them to your funeral home. You need to know what the services are. Well, and what's the alternative? Like they get buried in an unmarked grave? Things move forward and you need to like make the decisions. Or better yet, if you are struggling, which is a very human thing to do, you need to pass that off to someone and say you need to handle the services because I can't handle it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:23 And it sounds like there's people that would have stuck in. Like she had a loving sister. She had her niece that loved her so much. Yeah. I'm sure many people would have stepped in. And she also had family back in China. Yeah. Now, several months passed.
Starting point is 00:30:36 Jesus. And he still hadn't given any information or informed Angela's family about her death. That is so. Months passed and her family didn't know. I'm sorry. That's fucked up. In my opinion. No, that is fucked up.
Starting point is 00:30:48 That's fucked up. Yeah. To do that to her family. Yeah, that's fucked up. I can't even begin to explain what my reaction. would be. Well, and what's worse is Ellie realized she was going to have to be the one to tell her family. Oh, no. She was like, we can't just let this go on. She hadn't spoken to her Aunt Catherine or her cousin Michelle in nearly three years at that point. Oh, wow. But she felt that not informing them was
Starting point is 00:31:10 fucked up. Yeah. So that February, she reached out to them, despite having been told not to by her father. And she said, I couldn't even say anything for like a minute. I was crying the whole time. When she finally managed to get the words out, Catherine and Michelle were stunned and very confused. It wasn't just that Angela had died that was obviously devastating. They were also shocked that eight months had passed. I've been almost a year. Since her supposed death and no one had bothered to tell any of them. And obviously, that's not on Ellie. That's, she's the child in this situation. I'm sorry, that's on Jeff. In my opinion, that's on Jeff. Now, naturally, Angela's family had a lot of questions about what the fuck happened here.
Starting point is 00:31:53 So Ellie did her best to explain, but Ellie didn't know a lot. Yeah, she was left in the dark. She started with the fight that had led to her leaving the house and moving in with her boyfriend. And she told them about the hospitalization and all that. But she was like, that's really all I know. And the story was confusing. It was convoluted. It was weird and ambling.
Starting point is 00:32:13 But to Michelle... I can't imagine being on the other end of that. Well, and to Michelle, it seemed impossible. I would feel the same way. It just doesn't make sense. As a lawyer... Oh, shit. Michelle knew that you can't simply grab it.
Starting point is 00:32:23 someone off the street or trick them into involuntary hospitalization. No. You can't do that. No. Such things, like we said, require court orders and sometimes even law enforcement. You can't just do that shit. And they're also not going to trick the person into it. No.
Starting point is 00:32:38 But Jeff Green had never mentioned any of that when he told Ellie about the hospitalization. He made it seem like he just set it up and they took her. Well, like out of a grocery store parking lot, that's wild. Yeah. That literally sounds like Paris Hilton's documentary when she was kidnapped from her own fucking home. And she was a minor one that happened. It's like that super insensitive kind of thing that people say like the men in the white coats are going to come take you away. That's literally what he is claiming here.
Starting point is 00:33:03 That they came and took her away. Yep. Now Michelle continued to ask specific questions about the situation that Ellie hadn't even considered because again she's going through grief and the confusion of all this. You can be so clouded by grief. And one of the things was, did you receive a death certificate? Very valid question. In nearly every case of death, the event is recorded by the state in the form of a death certificate. Especially if she died at a hospital.
Starting point is 00:33:29 And that death certificate will list, among other things, the cause of death and any events or illnesses that led to the cause of death. And it's going to have name and contact information of the doctor or the coroner that confirm the death. It's going to have all that information. Like a birth or marriage certificate, a death certificate is an essential document for anyone that, And it's essential for anyone who's left behind after someone dies. Yeah. Because they need that to do anything. Like take care of any of the affairs that are left afterwards.
Starting point is 00:34:00 So it would have been among the first things the family received after being informed of the death. Yeah. And I've prepared many death certificates. That is the number one thing you've got to get done. And you've got to get that shit off to that family. Yeah. In a timely fashion. In a timely fashion, because one, they're going to want to know.
Starting point is 00:34:20 know the details. They're going to have, they're going to want to have the official stuff. And they literally need that for the funeral home for anything. And sometimes there's like questions that they might have. Like you said, like all the doctors are listed. Like those are the people that you can go to. And that's the whole purpose of the fucking paper in the first place. Exactly. It makes no sense. But again, Ellie hadn't seen or received the death certificate and her father had never mentioned one. Which I guess is not strange that he wouldn't just mention that getting a death certificate. So maybe she's like, all right, I should ask them about it.
Starting point is 00:34:53 Yeah. But Michelle said, we thought it was so strange that she had allegedly died eight months ago and there was absolutely no trace of it. Knowing that the only way they were going to get answers was to get a copy of the death certificate, Ellie and Michelle drove to the medical records office in Topeka. But the clerk at the records office informed them they had no death certificate on file for Angela Green. And they would.
Starting point is 00:35:14 Ellie said, the clerk spent the longest time looking for it. Finally, she came back and said, I'm sorry, there's no death certificate or record for your mother. My stomach just sank. I've never had a worst feeling in my life. That's when all the red flags all shut up at once. I just got chills. I literally know that. Like, I've read this case and I still get chills hearing that. Now, the next day, Ellie confronted her father about the fact that there was no record of her mother's death. But he was just avoidant and told her that the hospital, maybe it was in another state. I don't know. Wait, maybe she had died in another state. Yeah, maybe the hospital was in another state. You mean the hospital that you visited her at? And you're claiming you don't know. And he said, and if that's the case, it wouldn't be on file in Topeka. Yeah, but if she got transferred to another state, I feel you'd be made aware of that. Yeah. Hello? Michelle said when Ellie told me what had happened, she slowly started to realize how bizarre everything was. Oh. Sometimes you need an outside person to... Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:15 like, shatter the glass a little bit. Especially when it's just been your core family for that long. So I think she needed that outside, like, glass shattering moment. Which, like, you would hate to be that person. Horrific. Now, for eight months, her father had been very vague and evasive, refusing to provide details or simply ignoring Ellie's questions. During that period, Ellie was dealing with her own grief and trying to, struggling to accept her mother's death. Yeah, and to know that the last time they had ever spoken was when they argued. And that she just disappeared after that? Well, and that's the thing, like, to know how hard she was trying to get in touch with her mom. Like, it didn't, like, she was probably sitting there thinking it doesn't have to be this way.
Starting point is 00:36:52 It didn't have to end like this. No, that's the thing. And then now she's like, is it over? Like, what? Well, now on top of all that, it had never occurred to her that her father would lie to her. Especially about something so important. Yeah. But now, with some distance, and again, the support of her aunt and cousin, she was starting to get some perspective on the situation and she knew something wasn't right.
Starting point is 00:37:13 And if Jeff Green wasn't going to give any information at this point, Angela's family did the only thing, the only next step they could think of, they decided to contact the police. I mean, yeah. We have not seen Angela in eight months. You are claiming eight months ago she died. Where is she? Where's her body? Where's her body? Right.
Starting point is 00:37:35 Like that must have been so infuriating. Where the fuck is she? Now, on February 15th, 2020, Michelle called the Prairie Village Police Police. department and explain the whole thing. Because they had no evidence of a death or even a crime, the most the police could do was go to the Green's house and perform a wellness check on Angela. Which makes no sense to me. Which makes no fucking sense to me. Her family is being told that she died. Yeah. So there's no wellness to be had there. When the officers arrived at the house, they were met at the door by Jeff. And when they asked about Angela, he told them,
Starting point is 00:38:04 she just left to go meet some friends so she wasn't home. What? But they were welcome to come in and look around. Why the fuck would you lie about that? What? Why'd you lie to the police? Don't do that. Inside the house, there were no signs of a crime or suspicious activity. It had been a long time. I was going to say, I mean, hello. But there were also no signs that Angela was there or had been there in months.
Starting point is 00:38:29 When the officers explained the situation, Jeff expressed shock and told them he had no idea why anyone would think his wife was missing or dead. Because you told your daughter that? When Ellie and Michelle were told about the wellness check, they were stunned. Yeah. It was obvious Jeff was lying. They just didn't know to whom he was lying. Because now it's like, is he lying to the police or is he lying to us? Is she alive? The only way for detectives in Prairie Village to continue looking into the situation was for a family member to file a missing person's report. So the following morning, Ellie went to the department and filled out the paperwork. Which I'm also like, hey guys, do you think it's fucking weird that you
Starting point is 00:39:06 went in the house and there's no sign of her? But he literally just said she just went out with her friends. And that his daughter is saying she hasn't seen her in eight months and that he's told her she died eight months ago. While she was there, her father called her on her cell phone and detectives recorded the call. Oh. On the call, Ellie confronted her father with all the discrepancies and lack of detail when it came to her mother's death. And like, can you even call that a discrepancy? This is what he said to her about finding out that she had died. He said, I got a call at work that she was going to the hospital to get checked out. I thought you had people come and take her to the hospital. Right. And then I got a call that she was being a valid.
Starting point is 00:39:42 And then I couldn't see her until the following weekend. And Ellie interrupted her father to ask where she was hospitalized because, like, you're saying you were coming to see her. Right. And Jeff said he didn't know. He would have to look into it. Look into what the fuck are you talking about? You literally said you were going there. Jeff claimed that after a few weeks, he got a call from someone at the hospital informing them that Angela was dead.
Starting point is 00:40:06 I'm also like, dude, I have been in situations where people have had to go to the hospital and spend time there when they didn't want to. to, we could see them. Yeah, exactly. We didn't have to wait to see them. And so this is what he said on the call. I got a call that she had passed away in funeral things. And what do I want to do? And I'm like, oh, my God. And it's a crazy time. And I can't, I can't hardly think straight. And I got a call that someone was going to come by the house and pick up money for the cremation. And I got an urn, and they dropped the urn back by. It was all done by phone. And now that I think about it, it was like, and then he went on. So where the urn and why did you tell the police that she was out with her friends dog well to everyone in the
Starting point is 00:40:48 room listening to the call it was clear that jeff was uncomfortable with this line of questioning from his daughter and was clearly caught off guard and literally just talking yeah uh jeff had no information about where angela had been hospitalized who her doctors were in no details about who specifically had called him to inform him of the death also they don't just come to your house to pick up money for your cremation. That's not how that works. You have to seek that out. When Ellie asked about her mother's body, because she was like, oh, you haven't earned now? We have her body now. Jeff told her the body was cremated and the ashes were returned to him by someone from the psychiatric hospital. But he continued with all the vagueness. That doesn't work like that. Then he said something wild.
Starting point is 00:41:32 He said, I got the urn back and there's no, I didn't check it until just this past weekend. And I open it up and it's empty. So there were no ashes in it. That's not a thing. This man is claiming, first of all, is told about 15 different stories, is now claiming that they came by, took money. Money, please. And then they said, we'll bring you back an urn. They brought him back and earn. He didn't tell anyone about the urn. Not his daughter. No one. No. And then this past weekend, so weird that you're calling me right now this past weekend. I just, as one does, you just open that urn up, you know? And he looks in and it's just empty. And he's like, fuck, dude. They didn't, yeah. Was anything in the urn? Dude. Because that's the thing. Like, we've heard those crazy cases where
Starting point is 00:42:24 people find out that it's not their loved one in the urn, but there's always something in the urn. He said, and I quote, I open it up and it's empty. So there were no ashes in it. So, hey, that's not a feels different. That's not a thing. Yeah. That's not a thing. Sure isn't. What?
Starting point is 00:42:43 Sure isn't. What? The detectives in the room were fucking shocked by what Jeff was telling his daughter because the story was preposterous. And also because they'd been told, yeah. Oh, she just ran out with her friends. Yeah. Don't mind that there's no sign of her in this house.
Starting point is 00:42:59 My favorite part of that was they were like, when he was like, that's weird. I don't know why anyone would tell you that she was missing or dead. You supposedly had an urn that you thought was filled with her ashes. Well, the more they spoke, the more bizarre the story became. You can look up like the full transcript, I think, of that. He, the gaslighting is unbelievable. I always just wonder, like, in situations like this, I'm like, how do you find yourself to be believable in this moment?
Starting point is 00:43:29 Like, I'm not saying one thing or another. I'm just saying, like, no matter what, your story is preposterous. Your story is wild. And you think that people are just going to take that at face value? Yeah, this story doesn't make sense. Now, Jeff told Ellie that a few months after Angela had supposedly died, he was driving home and spotted someone coming out of their house. Wait, no, no, no, what?
Starting point is 00:43:49 Sorry. Few months after Angela had supposedly died. He was driving. Jeff was driving home and he saw someone come out of his house. Okay. He claimed that he was still several blocks from the house, so he couldn't make out any of the person's features before they got in a car and left. According to Jeff,
Starting point is 00:44:05 follow them? He hadn't given the incident much thought. You didn't think about that? No. What? No. If I see a motherfucker that I don't know,
Starting point is 00:44:16 come on out of my house, get in a car and drive away, you bet your bottom dollar I'm following their ass. Yeah. No, he said... And I'm definitely going to give it a lot of thought.
Starting point is 00:44:26 He said, no thoughts given. Someone just came out of my house. It was weird. That's on some Lexa Pro at a, at a level that I've never even learned. He had to have been vibin. Because for you not to care about that at all. For you to have no anxiety about that,
Starting point is 00:44:42 I don't know anyone that medicated. No, I don't either. Dog, what's crazy? Now that he was being... You know what's crazy? Everything you've said so far. Now that he was being pressed about it, he had an idea.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Tell me. He said, now that I'm being pressed about it, I think that Angela might still be alive. And she came back to the house to get her things while I was out. And just like set up a big conspiracy where somebody was going to come steal your money for an urn? Yep. Needless to say, by the time the call ended, everyone in the fucking room was wildly suspicious that something terrible had happened. Also, is he saying that that was the figure that got in the car?
Starting point is 00:45:22 Yeah. I know Drew pretty fucking well from several blocks away. I'd be like, that's that motherfucker. Exactly. There he is. I would know if that was John walking out of the house. From several blocks away, you don't know if that's your wife of how many years, Angela? And also, it's the whole idea that one, he's talking to his daughter.
Starting point is 00:45:38 You are just talking shit to your daughter here, like just spewing shit about her mother. And then it's like, you're sitting here saying you've got an urn with her body. And actually, what's weird is I checked it last weekend, nothing's in there. So that's wild. It doesn't have her body. It is just made of urn. And then actually, now that I'm being, now that we're talking about it, maybe she came in the house and I saw her. Maybe that was that figure that.
Starting point is 00:46:04 left however long ago and I just didn't think about it again until right now. The thing about Jeff, one thing about Jeff is he's not going to give it a lot of thought. So by the time this call ended, everyone in the room was like, do fuck? What happened here? Detective Jason Wakefield said there was no record of any death. We contacted numerous hospitals and, he says, mental hospitals. They never had any record of Angela.
Starting point is 00:46:44 We checked for death certificates nationwide. there were no death reports. And we know that you cannot cremate somebody without some sort of death certificate. Yep. So investigators began looking into Angela's disappearance now because they're like, well, that just gave us everything we need to now look into this. Yeah, it's weird as fuck. Yeah, like what the fuck is going on here?
Starting point is 00:47:07 That gave them everything they needed for them to look into Angela's disappearance. But they immediately ran into a dead end. Angela had no social media presence, no real-life friends, really, or even acquaintances. That's really sad. And especially none that she would turn to in like a moment of crisis. Yeah. And she had none of the financial tools either, like credit cards that you could use to track someone's movements. Oh.
Starting point is 00:47:32 Captain Adam Taylor said she was never employed. She had never had a credit card. She had only been to the dentist twice, to the doctor once when Ellie was born. Oh. Quite simply, it was as though Angela had literally vanished into thin air. Yeah, and almost like she didn't exist prior. Like here one day, gone the next, all without leaving any trace behind. That's so scary.
Starting point is 00:47:57 The other roadblock they faced was Jeff himself. Evidently. By that time, Jeff had purchased a house in Lawrence near the university, which he intended to fix up for Ellie. Detectives went to the house to talk to him, but when Jeff opened the door, he didn't say a word. He just handed them his attorney's business card and closed the door. Oh.
Starting point is 00:48:16 Yeah. That's a vibe. Wakefield said, it's not a normal encounter that the first time I knock on your door, you just come to the door with a card for your attorney. Yeah. That's very unusual and definitely made me think there was more going on. So even if you're not. Yeah, it's unusual.
Starting point is 00:48:31 Like, guilty of something? That doesn't look good. No. Nobody's going to say that looks good. Just by anyone's definition of that. No. Unable to speak with Jeff directly, Wakefield turned instead to the family. And according to Jeff's brother and his wife,
Starting point is 00:48:44 they received a call from Jeff a few weeks after Angelus supposedly went into the hospital. He told them she had been discharged and had a stroke at home and died as a result. So what is that the 78th story? Yep, but they hadn't heard anything else about it since then. This news came as a surprise to Ellie, of course, who had for months tried to get information from Jeff's side of the family. Oh. According to Ellie, her extended family was unusually avoidant.
Starting point is 00:49:12 around the issue of her mother and the most anyone would tell her was there may have been an accident and your dad needs to get a lawyer. Can you imagine your family? That's how they describe what happened to your mom. Well, and also that's vastly different from she had a stroke because there may have been an accident. What is the implication there? And why does he need a lawyer? Right. Like what is going on? Where would you go with that? Why is it extending all the vagueness? Yeah, it just the more you look into this case, the stranger and stranger it gets. Yeah. And according to Ellie, the more she pushed for information, the more kind of like combative
Starting point is 00:49:53 her aunt and uncle got. That's shitty. She said family members reprimanded me for asking questions. About her mother? They were like, why can't you just let it go? Can't let it go? Because it's the presumed death of my mother? There's one big reason I can't let it go.
Starting point is 00:50:08 Where's my mom? Yeah, where is her body? I have yet to see evidence of her. her any form. Why can't you just let it go is crazy? Now, because of the various conflicting stories Jeff had told and the fact that Angela appeared to have literally vanished, Wakefield was able to get a warrant to search the house in Prairie Village, as well as a property he shared with a friend in Olatha. Jeff shared a property with a friend, okay. They were able to get warrants for, search warrants for both of those places. And the place in Olatha is where he stored tools in a car.
Starting point is 00:50:43 But because the house in Lawrence had been, the one near the university, had been purchased after Angela went missing, the judge denied the warrant to search that property. Huh. That annoys me. It's annoying, but also, I guess it makes sense. No, I totally get it. It's just, like, literally on a purely shallow, I'm annoyed by this level. I'm annoyed by that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:51:07 No, I feel exactly the same. The law makes sense. Like, I'm annoyed. The laws, sometimes the laws. so tough. I know, because it's like it makes sense logically. Yeah. And it's a protective thing in case, you know, like they can't just, you can't just run around searching everybody's house. Like, that's... Well, it makes sense because it's a protective thing, but it also makes sense to get a warrant for it because what if something was there? And so many stories have been told,
Starting point is 00:51:33 I feel like it's justified. But in March, an investigative team conducted a thorough search at the Prairie Village House. And among the more interesting items discovered in the search was the urn that Jeff claimed had been given to him by the hospital. Oh? There were no ashes inside and no evidence that it had ever contained any ashes. Upon further investigation, they learned that the urn had been recently purchased. Stop. They also discovered Angela's purse at the house, which still contained her driver's license
Starting point is 00:52:05 and passport, both things that she was unlikely to have left behind. Well, and also, like, I don't... Would you even be able to be admitted without proper ID? I have no idea. I don't know either, but that's, I would think not, but I don't know. Now, the property in Olathe approved a much more arduous search than the house and prairie village. It was much larger as 35 acres. Wow.
Starting point is 00:52:31 It also contained a large pond in several buildings and storage units. Investigators brought in additional people to help with the search, including a dive team, to search the pond. but they found no evidence of Angela anywhere. A few weeks later, though, Detective Wakefield learned that the property in Olatha would have looked quite different at the time Angela went missing. In the months since she disappeared, the county had started work on a new courthouse and was using that property as a location to dump all the excavated dirt, which had amassed in a 40-foot high pile.
Starting point is 00:53:06 Holy shit. According to private investigator Steve Ridge, this area in Olatha would be an absolutely ideal location to dispose of a body under 30 feet of soil on top of it. It wasn't just Ridge who thought the massive dirt pile could maybe contain some evidence of Angela's disappearance. Many of the officers with the Prairie Village Police Department also thought it could have made a pretty convenient place. Unfortunately, neither Prairie Village Police nor County Law Enforcement agencies had the capacity to sift through a pile of dirt and debris. Bree that massive. So if anything was hidden there, it was just going to remain undiscovered, which I'm like,
Starting point is 00:53:46 you can't do it so you just leave it there? Here's the thing. Volunteers? Back up. There's always volunteers for like a search party. Yeah. Look at baby Jessica. Why are we not having volunteers?
Starting point is 00:53:57 Who wants, I mean, come in, sift through some dirt. Yeah. That's crazy to me. There's got to be like some way. There's got to be something. Yeah. Where there's a will, there's a way. So where's the will.
Starting point is 00:54:09 Yeah. By the end of 2020, Wakefield and the other investigators had hit a dead end in their investigation. Their primary suspect refused to speak to them. And their search for evidence and leads had turned up literally nothing. And despite having called in the FBI to consult on the case, it had pretty much gone cold. I'm also like the FBI can't help you sift through that giant pile of dirt. According to Ellie, Wakefield and one of the other detectives called her regularly to let her know whether there were any updates in the case. but, quote, there really hasn't been.
Starting point is 00:54:40 That's so fucked up. While there was little detectives could do to keep the case alive at this point, Ellie and Michelle were not going to let this go that easily. With no traditional avenues of investigation left to really rely on, they turned to social media and started posting videos about Angela. And, you know, her case on platforms like TikTok, Instagram,
Starting point is 00:55:00 Michelle said, I think Jeff intended for Angela to be forgotten about. With the support that I got from social media, I wanted to make sure that the exact opposite would be. happen. And that's a quote from Michelle. Yeah, that's just a quote. Just not us accusing anybody but. Given the vastness of social media, they weren't expecting, I mean, I don't know what, they were like, we weren't expecting it to blow up because there's so many cases being talked about. You just
Starting point is 00:55:22 don't know. But within a few days, Michelle and Ellie's videos had garnered millions of views and gone viral. Within weeks, the campaign had attracted to massive amounts of attention, including the attention of Steve Ridge, an Iowa private investigator, who we mentioned before, who reached out to Ellie and Michelle to offer his services free of charge. That was really nice. Yeah. With their permission, Ridge began interviewing the neighbors who all described Jeff as, quote, very mysterious and, quote, pretty controlling, among other things.
Starting point is 00:55:53 Based on everything he learned and read, Ridge came to the conclusion that Angel and Jeff's relationships could at time be a little combative. Okay. He has his own theories about what could have possibly happened in the house that night. Okay. Now, while Steve Ridge worked on his investigation, Ellie maintained a somewhat distant relationship with her father, if only to get more information, you know.
Starting point is 00:56:18 And again, nothing's come out and nothing's been proven, so, you know, what is she going to do? Although Jeff avoided the subject, Ellie frequently peppered him with questions and their recorded phone calls, some of which ended up online. In one recording, Ellie can be heard asking for details about how it was that her mother ended up being cremated without anyone's consent or a death certificate.
Starting point is 00:56:42 I was just going to say, or a fucking death certificate. Jeff said, oh, it seems unusual, much later looking back on it. But at the time, it did not seem odd since I'd never done it before. I don't know. I feel like I do. That doesn't make any sense. That's what I mean. I'm just like, I don't know what you're saying.
Starting point is 00:57:00 Is going on here? He's not making sense about what is happening here. Well, and he's just like hoping that she takes that for... That's also just word salad. Yeah. That doesn't even... Like, that didn't answer the question at all. Because it's literally saying, yeah, now it seems unusual.
Starting point is 00:57:15 But at the time, I hadn't done before. I don't know. Well, no one's... Usually no one's done it. Right. That's very common for people to not have done before. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:28 Okay. But the cause in additional video content demonstrates how truly bizarre this case has become and always has been. Yeah, it is so bizarre. But it's not really moving it forward, unfortunately. Something needs to move in this case. Something needs to move forward. For three years, detectives with the Prairie Village Police continue to follow up on every lead they receive. But the cases move at a glacial pace. And in that time, Jeff's story has changed several more times. I just feel like somebody has had to have seen something. Now, in the latest version, He claimed that Angela wasn't dead, but had simply run away.
Starting point is 00:58:07 Then what's the urn? And why wouldn't you have just said that? And so then did anybody come and was all that, like was every other story you told fake? That's what I don't get. And why did you fake those stories? That's what doesn't make sense. And Ellie and Michelle continue to tell people about this case. They've got on podcasts.
Starting point is 00:58:27 They've done the videos, like all kinds of stuff, like regional and national news. stories, like, they are not stopping and, like, good on them. And in that time, they've also managed to crowd fund $25,000, which they use as a reward for anyone with information that will lead to the case being solved. Wow. That's incredible. Yeah, Ellie said no one deserves to go missing in their story unheard. And hopefully, my father and his family will come to their senses and see the absurdity of the situation. Yeah. And after Ellie announced the award, Steve Ridge, who was still actively pursuing the case added his own $25,000, bringing the total reward to $50,000. He said, I'm putting it up because I know that sometimes money talks. It's strictly for either the location of Angela or it's for the location
Starting point is 00:59:13 and identification of her remains. We just want to find her to give that degree of closure to the family. The reward money helps keep the story alive in the press and on social media, and it did for a few months, but without any new information, it was falling away and kind of like falling out of the headlines again. Now, after years of searching for her mother and constantly creating content for social media, Ellie realized the case had consumed a lot of her time and a lot of her space, like headspace, and she was losing, like, precious moments of her own life. Yeah. That's valid. Yeah, like, that's totally valid. In 2023, Ellie made the incredibly difficult decision to kind of step away from the case and focus on her future. Well, you also have
Starting point is 00:59:56 to think of the toll that that must take on her mental health to have been living that 24-7 and to be that dedicated. And to just keep hitting roadblock after roadblock. You also have to think of how fucking young she is and how young she was to have gone through all of those. Exactly. She cut ties with her father and his side of the family and she moved to Colorado to finish school.
Starting point is 01:00:16 The last time she spoke with Jeff, Ellie asked one final request. She asked that before he dies, will he write her a letter to tell her what happened to her mother? And he didn't respond. He didn't respond. Now, although Ellie decided to move on, Michelle and Steve Ridge continue to pursue every new lead. And Ellie's kind of right there.
Starting point is 01:00:34 Like, she's just still got some, like, you know, a lot of stuff happening on the side. Yeah. And Ridge doubled his reward for information. And in March 26, he announced that there had finally been some new information that not even the Prairie Village police knew about. Oh, fuck. You said March of 26. Yes. Wow.
Starting point is 01:00:51 He said in an interview with local news station, KCTV 5, I had a lengthy conversation with somebody in Kansas City who had a lot to share with me on this case, a lot of insight. And when you score one of those conversations, it recharges your battery for weeks. But since then, he hasn't made any new announcements. Okay. Well, he might be working on something. No, no. As far as the Prairie Village police are concerned, the case remains active and unsolved. A spokesperson for the police department said anytime there's a new podcast, documentary, or story about Angela Green, the police department receives numerous information from around the country. However, there's yet to be a tip or a piece of information that provides new evidence or lead that has not been previously investigated.
Starting point is 01:01:33 Well, you never know. So it does work that, like, people hearing it, somebody knows something. If anyone has any tips about Angela Green's disappearance, investigators are urging people to call the Tips hotline at 816-474-T-I-PS. Information can also be sent to Steve Ridge directly at 319-573-0-0-6.5-7-0-6. 6-57 or to Steve Ridge, S-T-E-V-E-R-I-D-G-E-40-0 at g-mell.com. Okay. And somebody's got to know something. That's the thing. We always say it with these unsolved cases.
Starting point is 01:02:15 One, a cold case is never cold. No. And this isn't even really cold. No. And two, somebody knows something that they haven't said yet. Somebody knows something. And, like, I just want this for Ellie and her family. Well, and it's like somehow if you're listening and you're,
Starting point is 01:02:28 or the person that knows, think about Ellie and Michelle and Angela's sister. Yeah. You got to put yourself at other people's shoes with that. Yeah. And just hopefully something moves. Somebody's got to know something. We got to be able to. I want to know what's in that dirt pile.
Starting point is 01:02:44 Yeah. I remember reading about this case for the first time a couple years ago and just being dumb found out. Yeah. But even more has happened since the first time that I read about it. Like even more information has come to light. So, you know. Something could come up.
Starting point is 01:02:57 something could come up. Yeah. All right, let me grab us a fun fact. We had a few weeks in a row of your fucked facts. Let's go. I don't know if this is a fun fact or if this will literally change your life. Toby McGuire's memorable lunch trace catch scene in Spider-Man took 156 takes. Jesus.
Starting point is 01:03:20 156 takes. I would lose my ever-loving mind. That's crazy. to re-record like an episode here and there and I'm like, oh. No, and it's the worst thing in the entire world. Imagine doing it 156 times. Yeah, it's a no for me. Lousa. That's kind of a fucked fact. That is a commitment. There you go, brothers. I like that. We hope you keep listening. And we hope you keep it weird. But not somewhere that you do anything 156 times over like in a row. It's a lot. Or let it be cool, I guess.

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