Morbid - The Weepy Voiced Killer

Episode Date: January 10, 2021

This week Alaina covers the weepy voiced killer for our 209th episode! In 1980 on New Year’s Eve Paul Michael Stephani brutally attacked Karen Potack after abducting her from outside of a bar. She sustained some of the worst injuries seen by investigators,  but she lived. This would be the first in a string of bizarre an gruesome attacks on women that potentially would lead to murder. The strangest piece of this case is that the killer called the police himself to report the attack....an he did it while weeping hysterically.  As always, thank you so much to our sponsors: HelloFresh: Go to HelloFresh.com/10morbid and use code10morbid for 10 free meals, including free shipping! Betterhelp: Special offer for Morbid listeners get 10% off your first month at betterhelp.com/Morbid Firstleaf: :Join today and you’ll get 6 bottles of wine for $29.95 and free shipping! Just go to TRYFirstleaf.com/MORBID.  Upstart: Find out how Upstart can lower your monthly payments today, go to UPSTART.com/MORBID.  Athena Club: Sign up today and you’ll get 20% off your first order! Just go to AthenaClub.com and use promo code mtc Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. My name is Ash. And this is morbid. You were sad that I didn't sing. So I broke my intro, New Year's Resolution. You went so far with that. I know, huh? No, everybody was like sad, so you got to give the people what they want.

You do. And you know what? I think everyone was sad because they could feel it that you didn't really want to stop. I didn't. I did not. You thought you wanted to, but like deep down inside, you were like, I don't want to. You know what, DJ lady, we are one. Yeah, you know, it's cool because you're different.

It's fine. I'm different. Yeah, I'm different. And you know what? Welcome to our 200th episode. Oh, shit, this is 200, huh? Yeah, technically 200. We have more than 200, but like this is the official 200, I guess we could call it.

I've had it officially. I hope you guys get that. And, you know, we were going to do something like, we were like, oh, what should we do for our 200th episode? Then we're like, that's boring. though. Why don't we make our 201st episode the most exciting? So that we could say, this is our 201 episode. So this episode, sure, every episode is special. Yeah, because it's all special and we're here and we're bonding. So this is going to be a great episode. I'm just saying, like, if I do see so myself, let me just pat myself on the back. But the 201st episode, I mean, that's, that's going to be

something. We made some plans. And also, I would just like to point out, we posted on Twitter that we're really excited about something. We're really fucking excited about this, but that's not even the thing. Yeah, there's even more stuff. But this, this is going to blow your mind. Very exciting. We're just, you know, we're going to take it in a little bit of a different direction, but it's one we wanted to do for a while. Yes. And we just got something added into it. That's going to make it even better. Yep. We're going to be talking about ghosts, honey. Oh, my God. It's a lot. It's a lot. It's It's going to be like the paranormal sweetness that you just didn't even know you needed. It sure is.

I'm so fukin' excited. I just want to tell you exactly what it is. I'm really excited. You know, just make a cup of tea and watch a show and live your life. It's going to be fun. It's going to be a lot of fun. So we'll see you then. We'll see in a few days for that one.

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such. Yeah, and the pod lab and just fun stuff. Whatever. Like just make fun of things. be funny. So we figure we were going to do that, but we hadn't made one yet. And I'm also going to make one, but I have no idea how, and I don't know what I'm going to do. So I got you. I'll let you know. But we hadn't made the podcast one yet. And then we get a message from this beautiful angel. Carter. Carter, they went on TikTok. They saved, they made the name, like Morbid Podcast, a TikTok account for it. Yep. Then saved it for us. us the login information and was like, here you go, now you can change the passwords and it's yours. I just wanted to save it for you so no one else took it. That was the most kind and thoughtful thing.

Literally. It made my heart sore. Also, it came at the perfect time because the past two days, Elena knows I've had a rough past two days. And that little act of kindness just, I feel like people don't realize how much little things like that can really like just change somebody's day. It is. And like with everything going on and everybody's got so much crap going on. Oh, for real. And for this person to take, even with everything going on, which I'm sure they have stuff going on too. Of course. Because everybody does right now. God, yeah. To take time to like do something, just be thoughtful like that, like very selfless and thoughtful like that was just like really nice to see. I was like, wow, what a nice thing that you did. So people exist. So we now have morbid podcast TikTok. We haven't done anything with it. Follow at Morbid Podcast on TikTok. You can see Sweet Carter making the announcement that they saved the Instagram name for us. That's our first video. So we just wanted to say thank you so much because that was really, really appreciated.

For sure. And without further ado, I think we will jump right into the weepy voiced killer. I am so excited. This case is crazy. It's shocking because there's not a lot of, like, like details about his life or about the victims really, which was a bummer because I was trying, I was digging to try to find. But man, you can't, it is hard. If I end up, because you know, I'm not going to stop. If I end up finding something, I will do like, we'll do like a little

update episode on a few cases, I think, like just to kind of, because things happen over time, obviously. But I'll definitely update because if I can find anything, I really want to. But no one's looked into the psychology of this guy. It, there's, no books on him. It's nuts. It really is crazy to me. So what he's known for, the reason he was called the weepy voiced killer was because he had a penchant for calling the police after he would kill someone or harm someone and he would cry and he would tell them where they could find the person, what he had done, he would apologize. He would often make declarations like he wanted to kill himself for doing it. It was very strange, very

creepy, very unnerving. Very uncomfy. And his voice is very weepy. And this one's a tough one because no one really knows what he was never diagnosed with anything. He wasn't put in a mental institution. He wasn't looked after by mental health, you know, doctors or experts or anything. So there's nothing that can point to it, but there is a lot of sources that say he did have mental illness in his family, although we don't, I don't have any concrete sources that say that. Right. I mean, what he's doing here certainly could be looked at as a mentally ill person who snaps, does something, and then immediately regrets it and doesn't know how to handle it.

It can also go the complete other way. And he, I mean, he's a monster. Yeah, no matter what. But it can go the other way of him being completely sane and doing these things and then getting joy out of reporting them and acting remorseful. And some of them almost, I mean, like you said, I could totally go both ways, but some of the calls are so over the top. And I would, very over the top. I could see like some asshole killer being like, oh, this is going to be kind of hilarious if I do this. Exactly. That's the thing. And when you listen to it, I will play the recordings.

So just letting you know up front, there will be the recordings of him like crying into the phone. I showed John the recordings. And I was like, what do you think? Like, what would be your first? And he was like, oh, that guy's faking. He was like, that's not a real cry. He is enjoying that. No, that's the thing. I think, because we went through them like literally right before we started, the last call, is the one and you said it, makes you kind of question it.

Yeah. Maybe he's not. Do I think he was in a healthy mental state? Absolutely not. But I don't think you really can be when you're murdering people. I was going to say, I wouldn't say most killers are. Do I think he's remorseful? I don't know.

I don't really think so. I also think he knew this was going to make it a big case and probably put it in media outlets, and I think he enjoyed that. I think there was definitely some enjoyment, because as we'll see, this guy, Paul Michael Stefani is his name. His given name was not the weepy voice killer. No? No, weirdly enough, although it should have been. Yeah.

He just, I don't, he always says in the recordings, like, you know, come and find me. Why can't you catch me? Like, make me stop. I want to stop. And he's like, but he doesn't turn himself in. Well, that's the thing. And it's like, if you wanted to stop, you would turn yourself in. And that's just taunting.

Like, why can't you find me? And it's like, if you really wanted them to find you, you'd be like, I'm standing at the pay phone on this street. Please come get me before I leave. And at one point, he does do that, right? And then he vacates the premises. So to me, it's like, I don't know. Yeah.

I think it's a whole bunch of bullshit. And he's a monster. Like a true ass monster. When you find out an ass monster. I had gross. The inflection on that was all wrong. But you know what I mean? So he... Wait, wait. Could somebody draw us an ass monster, please? A true ass monster. Not a false one. But... So, yeah, he's terrible. These crimes are horrific. They are very gruesome. He's an evil, evil son of a bitch.

Mm-hmm. So let's start with what we do know about him. What we do know about him was that he was that he was born September 8th, 1944 in Austin, Minnesota. I think that makes him a Virgo, but I'm a double check. I think you're right. I think I am. Yeah. Actually, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he definitely is. He a Virgo. He was the second oldest of 10 children. When he was three years old, his mother, his original father, nobody really knows what the biological father was doing. But his mother did remarry when he was three to a man who, again, we don't know a lot about, but he claims that he was slightly abusive. Nothing crazy. So he begins it with like,

nothing crazy. It wasn't that abusive. When we got in his way, he would like smack us over the head and like send us flying down a flight of stairs. And you're like, oh, nothing crazy. Good. Pretty intense. I'm glad it was nothing to be alarmed about. It's actually like such a thing, though, if you've experienced childhood trauma to like underplay it. It's so true that you're like, oh, nothing crazy. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, wait. Actually. Because he's probably like this is what other kids experience, right? Right, because you don't... You don't know anything else.

But one thing that we do know about that family and that household is that it was termed a million different times and a million different sources as deeply religious. Religion dominated that household, which can have effects on kids as we've seen many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many times. Almost in every case. You know, it's like... I forgot what I was going to say. It's like too much of a good thing. Yeah, too much of anything is not good. Yeah.

You know? So it's, and when it's deeply religious, you're like, oh boy. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. So it was not good in this situation. He not, again, not a lot is known about his high school years or really how he was as a kid. Yeah.

Which sucks. I would love to, like, do a full deep dive on this case. I'm also like, who decided to not to not look into any of this? what happened. We have so much information about so many random people, but this guy we don't. You know what? I will say, I think maybe, you know, this was during the time that I believe Otis Tool was working. There was a couple of other ones going around. I say working. I'm like working, you know, clocking in 9 to 5. So I do believe he got overshadowed by a lot. And I think this just wasn't. And also the fact that these murders and assaults went cold a lot of times because they didn't have a lot of

information on him until the end. Right. So maybe this just, it just got looked over and it's crazy that it did. It's sad. But he did after high school, he moved to Minneapolis. He worked as a shipping clerk. He also worked as a janitor at a hospital. He got married at one point to a woman named Beverly Linder.

Not much is known about it, but he did have a daughter. Beth, where are you at? They divorced and he just straight up abandoned his daughter. Like never saw her again, never talked to her again. So already it's like... Awesome. Seems like a good guy. For sure.

Yeah. He only went about his weepy voiced killing spree between 1980 and 1982. So it's a very short period. Pretty brief. He worked, he worked his killing nasty ways in the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. Yeah. So let's go to New Year's Eve, 1980. Okay.

This is when 20-year-old Karen Poltack. She was a student at Stevens Point University, and she was going to be out in the Twin City area celebrating with her sister and her friends, you know, New Year's Eve. Yeah. They were going to be going to a bar, I believe, off of University Avenue. They spent the night there. They were dancing, having fun, drinking champagne. They hit midnight in the bar. But then just after midnight, somehow, she wandered off without her friends.

and her sister knowing that she had left the bar. She actually walked out of the club alone. She wasn't wearing a coat. She was still holding a glass of champagne when she walked out. She was just feeling real good. The temperatures were below freezing that night and there was snow on the ground. Oh, geez. And she was very, very drunk.

I was going to say she had her drunk blanket on. Yeah, she was, yeah, exactly. So she wandered out there. She's just walking down the street, stumbling down University Avenue. Lots of people around because it's New Year's Eve. leave. So again, it's not like abandoned or anything like that. And she happened to walk through an alleyway. Oh, God. Yeah. And she stumbles into this alleyway. And when she does this, a man in a car

pulls up. Now, this man in the car is in this nice warm car. He's got his heat blasting. He sees her without a coat. And he rolls down the window and he says, do you want to, do you want me to take you wherever you're trying to go? It's freezing out. I have heat in the car. Wherever you're trying. Do you want me to bring you home. I'm so helpful. Now she is drunk and freezing and she's of course going to be like you have heat. Cool. I'm going to get in the car. Yeah like let's get it. So she gets in the car. No. That's the last time she's seen and then 3 a.m. that night. So only a couple of hours later. Yeah. Police receive a phone call. And I'm going to play it for you right now. No, thank you. So what the fuck did he say? You got a transcript over there? I do. So I'm going to let you. I'm going to let

you know what he said because I know it's hard to hear like, my love the thing. I literally heard the Mombone the copy machine. I was like, what? So he called and he said, yes, please, this is an emergency. Please send a squad to Pierce Butler Road, Maumburg Manufacturing Company machine shop.

See, Mombo machine. Please send an ambulance to. There's a girl hurt there. And the person says, can you tell me what happened to her? And he says, just hurry. She's lying on the ground in the back by the railroad tracks by the engine room. Hurry. And they say, what's the address?

And he says, I don't know. And then they say, who are you? He says, click. He says click. He says, absolutely not. You know what it is for me? Like, the young insay? For me, it's the, I don't know.

She's like, come on, brough. And also, it's the who are you? Click. Like that's like, oh, no, no. too many questions. Yeah. And it's like, all right. If he's really having a breakdown, is he really going to take that?

Who are you and be like, click? No, like he'd say something. I feel like he would at least, I don't know. Again, I don't know. I've never been in that state of mind. So they obviously got that call. Yeah. And immediately we're like, okay.

So we got to just send someone out there because what the fuck? We don't know who the person is, who the victim is. Right. What's going on? They just say she's hurt. We can't just ignore that. So police and ambulance go to the Malmberg Manufacturing Company machine shop, which is completely deserted at night. Spooky.

She would not have been found if they, if he did not call. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. And they find Karen Poltack. She is laying in the snow by the railroad tracks. She's completely naked. And she has been beaten extensively with a tire iron. Oh, man. Her skull has been split open and her breast.

was exposed. Jesus. She was still alive. What? She was still alive when they found her. Officers said it was the worst scene they had ever come across. They said her brain was literally exposed. Her skull is split into two and they can see her brain and she's alive.

She was rushed to the hospital. She had emergency life-saving surgery and she lived. What the fuck? Yes, she lived. She lived? Now, she obviously had a great amount of brain damage after that. Okay, but wait, bad bitch alert. She lived.

Wow. She lived. And I couldn't find anything on like what she's doing today. Being a bad bitch? Just being a bad bitch. Unfortunately, she also didn't remember a damn thing. So, I mean. That is both unfortunate and also very fortunate.

Honestly, I was thinking that. I was like, it's, you know, it obviously sucks because you'd love her to be like, Here's, what he looked like, here's. I'd rather not remember. But you don't want her to remember. No. I don't want her to have that memory. I'm glad that she's like, yeah, I went to a New Year's Eve party and that was the end of that.

It's like, good, good. Yep. Happy memories for you. Yeah. So don't listen to this because you don't need to know what happened. No. There was no clues. No evidence, no clues.

They had nothing to go on except that phone call and that's it. That's wild. And the fact that he didn't leave, I mean, also, this is the 80s, but he didn't leave anything behind to get like any kind of clue says to me, this is not him just snapping. Yeah, because it's like, he didn't leave anything for them to pick up. Because he's also, I mean, it sounds to me like he was driving around looking for people. It really does. You know, like, there's definitely a couple times where you're like, he just got lucky finding someone,

but it seems like he, I don't know, he always has something to do it with. Right. But that's, so yeah. So then, unfortunately, no evidence, no nothing. She can't really tell you anything. There's no witness statements to say anything about this guy picking her up. that's it. So it kind of just, that's it, they can't do a lot about it. So come June 3rd, 1981, so months later, 18-year-old, Kimberly Compton had just graduated high school. She was from a very small town in Wisconsin. I think I saw that it was less than a thousand people lived in this town. Damn. So a village, a little hamlet, if you will. And she was looking, she had just graduated.

Small town girl looking to get the hell out of there. Yeah. She wants to go to the big city. She wants to move on. She wants to start a job. She wants to meet new people. Like, she's ready. She graduated.

Here I come, world. All right. Now, she moved to St. Paul hours before she came across Paul Michael, Stefani. No. Now, she had literally got on a Greyhound bus. Packed her bags, got on a Greyhound bus, was going to St. Paul, dropped out the St. Paul bus. the Greyhound Station, she puts her bags in locker 750 at the bus station, and she's like, I'm hungry, so she walks across the street where there's this diner, Mickey's Diner.

She gets this special, and she sits down and starts eating, and she's eating alone, and a few booths away from her, there's a man enjoying a cup of coffee alone. He takes a notice of her, and he walks over and starts talking to her. And she's like, why don't she sit down and join me? Because she's like, I'm already making new friends. Oh, she's nice. Sorry, how old was he? At this time, he was in his 30s.

I believe he was 38. Oh, okay. So, you know, you're brand new to a town. Yeah, whatever. I could see him coming across. That Minnesota accent is very friendly. So I could definitely see that. So he sits down, they start talking.

She mentions that she is brand new from Wisconsin. Can't wait to start things. and he's like, oh my God, I can take you around and show you the sights. No, thank you. And she's like, that's awesome. So she's like, absolutely. So they finish their meals. They keep talking.

And they leave together. And witnesses at the scene, staff and people in the restaurant said they saw this entire interaction. They watched them leave together. Yeah. This is when, and that's no one saw her after that. Of course. Now, this is also when a group of teen boys come across a body a few hours later. Oh, no. Really quickly. Just hours later. Really quickly. It was next to a freeway construction area, and it was in like a wooded area secluded. This woman was laying face down and had been stabbed in the chest quite a few times with what police believed to be an ice pick.

This is important because this is a very odd choice and rare weapon to use. Not many people are just besides, you know, like the guy from I know what you did last summer really running around with an ice pick. No. And like, there's another movie that they use an ice pick. Basic instinct, I think it was. But, yeah, it's not a weapon that's used often. Where she was found was a place with a very scenic view of the Mississippi River. He had obviously brought her there under the guise of seeing the sights and then brutally massacred her there. At the time, they didn't know who this woman was because she didn't have eye.

on her. Oh, no, because it's a locker. Exactly. When she had left the bus station, she was just running over to get some food. She was not, she was planning to go right back and get her stuff and then be on her way. Right. But she had just gone directly with him to go sightseeing. So the first, at first, she was just like a Jane Doe. They were like, we don't know who she is. Then they get the ice pick call. Oh, God. And here we're going to play it. So this one's a little scarier to me. Yeah. It's, I'm going to read you the quick transcript of it. because again, I know it's hard to hear. Yeah.

He says, will you goddamn find me? Will you find me? I just stabbed somebody with an ice pick. I can't stop myself. I keep killing somebody. And the police says, hello. Are you there? I know the guy that says, hello, are you there?

Sounds like a famous newscaster. He really does. Hello? On the 10 o'clock news. On the 10 o'clock news, hello. Are you there? Yeah, so he is very upset that he just stabbed someone with an ice pick. He wants you to believe.

least. I was going to say, but is he, though? He's at least showing you that he wants to be very upset. So, when they get this phone call, that's weird because... Correct. An ice pick is a weird weapon. It's not I stabbed someone with a knife. It's not I stab someone with anything else. It's very specifically, I just stabbed someone with an ice pick. And they're like, oh, wait, we have a body that was just stabbed with an ice pick. We did not release any of that information. Right. The only person who would know that is the person who stabbed her with an ice pick. So they're like, okay. So now they're like, all right, this is the guy.

We have a real thing here. So now they're sitting there being like, oh, so that other Karen Poltec one was the same guy, it seems. So now he had said that they had figured out that he had called from a pay phone nearby. When they got there, he was gone. So that sucks. Now, during all this, they were autopsying their Jane Doe, who they are going to find out, is Kimberly Compton. They were all doing the autopsy, and they found a key to the locker in her pocket.

And they traced it back to the Greyhound bus station, locker number 750. That's where they found her ID. And finally, they knew they had Kimberly Compton. What they also found during the autopsy, and this is interesting, because in order to trace her back to this man, they were able to look at the undigested food in her stomach. And if it's undigested, it means. It was eaten fairly recently. Right.

They saw that she had eaten barbecue beef and fries within hours. Now, this helped them trace it back to the diner, Mickey's diner, because it happened to be the special. Right. You said she ordered the special. So they were like, there it is. She was at the diner. So, of course, to the diner they go. They talked to the staff, and the staff says, like, yeah.

And that's the staff who relayed that whole entire story of, like, the guy sitting there eating. This guy was eating coffee. came over and talked to her. They sat down. We could hear their conversation. And we saw them leave together. We saw them leave together. And then luckily, they were like, we can at least tell you a little bit about what he looks like. Of course, it didn't really help them at first. But the staff could all identify her too. And they did say, you know, he was a tall guy. He was like bigger. I think they were able to say something about his hair, but not a lot else. Like they were like, we weren't really paying attention that much because who would have thought? Yeah, like who would think that, you

he was going to kill her after that. No. What they found out was that he had stabbed her with that ice pick 61 times. Oh, my. Yeah. Sergeant Joe Corcoran said he saw an extreme amount of rage with that one. He was like, this was rage. Right.

This wasn't like just somebody going blank and snapping. It was pure rage. I wonder what it is that like makes him tick. I have an idea. So she was also strangled with a shoelace. That wasn't what killed her. it was the stab wounds that killed her. So she was strangled before with a shoelace, which to me is like torturous.

Yeah, it is. Now, to me, I'm going to go back to him being it being very evident that he was raised in a deeply religious household. That brings about a certain amount of guilt. And it brings about a certain amount of like, I need to repent for my sins. And I also need to make other people repent for their sins. He might have looked at her and said, oh, you've gotten a car with a man. And later, he does say that.

It seems like they were a little flirty together and that he at one point said he unhooked her bra while they were out there. So I'm assuming something was going on according to him. Yeah. And he makes it seem like it was like something they were both consenting to. Of course, we don't know. Right. But either way, he might be looking at her and being like, you are asking for it because you are,

you're engaging in this risky behavior with me. You know what I mean? So to me, it might be him, like, freaking out on her and, like, stabbing her to death because he's like, you're a young girl who just went off with me and is acting inappropriately. Well, you know what? That's my fucking prerogative, dude. Because you know how many of these dudes have that mindset of, like, I had to kill her because she was a dirty woman. It's like the Irish Bible John.

Yeah, Bible John, exactly. And that's the thing. It's like, this could be part of that. That shit makes me so mad. It's ridiculous. It's so annoying. But it's also, it's like, when you. they're being raised in that like extreme of a household.

Yeah. It puts those ideas in their brain. And who knows what kind of relationship he had with his mother because no one fucking looked into this and I'm trying to find it. I swear. But I just saw him like, I'm trying. But it looks, it seems to me he did love his mother because we will find out later that it does come back in a small way.

But you know who else loved their mom? Well, that's, this is the thing. I'm wondering if it was a love of your mother that is an Ed Geeney kind of love. Edipissy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it's like, and you bring the religious aspect into it, maybe she was teaching him that women are unclean. Yeah. That comes back.

She got all carry with it. It comes back in a lot of these cases that you find out the mother has been teaching them. Women are unclean. And like, you need to stay away from them. That also never makes sense to me because I'm like, home girl, you. are a woman. Well, that's, and I'm like, and you fucked to make him. Right. Like, you are, so stop shaming other women for it. Also unclean, according to your standards. Especially these older ones where I'm like, this is definitely before, like, fertility treatments. So you were definitely

committing the original sin to have him. Yeah. So it's like, stop shaming everyone else. Like, you can get it on the low, low. It's fine. Go ahead. Let people live. God damn. But when I heard that it was like a lot of rage in this one, and she was a young girl. And I the whole story of them meeting at the diner and her going off with him, which is totally her prerogative. Again, not a good idea. I don't recommend it. Yeah, definitely don't do that. But not, you know, something to kill someone over. No. But I do think that maybe that played into it. It could have. No, that's a really good assessment. If we knew more about his shit. Make an assessment. Mark an assessment. I did. You did? Good time. So two days later,

he called again. And he's apologizing. He's admitting to killing Kimberly Compton. He mentioned. He mentions her by name. He's crying. He's saying how upset he is about it. And he's saying that he just can't go to jail. So here it is. So this is an interesting one. Yeah. He's a little more controlled because he's not right in the moment. He's still weeping. He's still upset. He's still at least trying to imitate someone weeping. And he's still upset, but he's not as like, I just did it. Right, because this was a little bit later. Out of control. But what he says there in case you couldn't understand all of it was in the first part.

If I was a 911 operator and I got, don't talk, just listen. I would be like click. Jinks, which is why we are not dispatchers. Because holy. So he says, don't talk, just listen. I'm sorry what I did to Compton. I couldn't help it. Don't know why I had to stab her.

I'm so upset about it. I keep getting drunk every night. I can't believe it. I did it. It's like a big dream. I can't think of being locked up. If I get locked up, I'll kill myself. I'd rather kill myself than get locked up.

I'll try not to kill anybody else. Okay. First and foremost... He fails, by the way, that he does not do that. Yeah, spoiler alert. First and foremost, though, the use of the word dream versus the use of the word nightmare. Yes. Weird.

It's all a big nightmare. what you think. This is all a big dream. Like, yeah, a big dream of yours that you've been thinking about for a while because you've always wanted to kill people. It really feels like a dream to you. Are you sure about that? Poor choice of words, but I feel like that was intentional. Now, this one was done eight days later, and he also made another call where he was correcting something that the media got wrong about the case. Oh, I remember that. I don't have that recording, but... See, that's another thing. It's like, yeah. If you're so distraught and upset, why the fuck are you reading about the cases in the media?

Exactly. And that's the thing. It's like if you're correcting information, come on. And clearly you want it out there in the quote-unquote correct way. Exactly. And at this point, they're definitely connecting the two cases because they're hearing these voices. And it's the same exact thing. This is weird. It doesn't happen all the time. So they're like, oh, I do remember that. So they decided, you know what, we're going to release a portion of this to the media so people can hear the voice and tell us if they recognize it. Now, the media, immediately he was deemed the weepy voiced killer. because why i don't know so weird i don't really know but he should have called him the cry baby that would have been so much better i do love the weepy voiced killer though because that's just like me

yeah i like the cry baby so people heard this on the news and an a staggering amount of people were like i know that voice yeah that's so weird and then like they got like hundreds they i think they got a hundred different people that said they knew who this voice was they looked into every single one of them and none of them banned they were like so i saw this movie one time. It's got a scarecrow and a girl with red shoes and this lion and he sounds just like the fucking lion. He sounds like

him. You guys know that guy? So crazy. Doesn't he sound just like that? He really does. He really does. He just needs a the noive. That's what he needs. If I only had the noib. So don't you know. Don't you know. So yeah, so none of them panned out. So

apparently everybody thinks they know somebody who would kill a lot of people, and would also cry about it to the police. So, awesome. That's something new we learned in this case, so that's fun. That should teach you something about yourself. That really should. So two months later, after this, a guy named Alan Lopez, he is, he gets in trouble because he is holding his entire family hostage in their home. He had killed his parents and his sister, apparently in a very brutal way. I looked into it, could not find a lot about it, but there is a new scene. story about it. Police had arrived at the home and they were basically negotiating a hostage situation.

So they were stationed outside his home trying to talk to him. And at one point during, I believe, like a couple of hours they were out there, at one point he said he was the one who killed Kimberly Compton. Weird. So they were like, oh shit. So he was arrested and he was found guilty for the family annihilation, but he was placed in a mental facility. A mental health facility, excuse me. And he was going, they were like, we got to question this guy. He admitted to it. Let's go talk to him.

Well, before they could question him, he killed himself. Oh, no. Yeah, he was never questioned. So that sucks. So on March 19th, 1982, retired detective Earl Mills actually returned to the force for one day out of retirement to release the case files for the weepy voice killer. Wow. Because he said that he wanted to connect Alan. Lopez to these crimes.

Uh-huh. But so they still think this might be the guy. They're like, because we didn't get to talk to him. We haven't ruled him out. He admitted to it. Let's see what we can look. So they see that on the day that Kimberly Compton was murdered, he was actually checked into a mental health facility for like treatment for a while.

Uh-huh. So they're like, oh no. Like he was in there. That means he can't do it. That's a bummer. Like, not our guy. But the reason that Mills came out of retirement was to try to nail this guy. So they look further into it.

And they suddenly see that, wait a second, he was given a day pass out of the facility. And he had left that building on that day. Oh, shit. Yeah. So now they're like, oh, shit. So then they look into Karen's attack. Right, right. To link it.

They look back on it. He was in jail on the night of Karen's attack. He could not have committed that attack. Yeah, I love that. I also was like, oh, shit. When I know who did it. Oh, shit. I'm like, oh, my God, no way.

But still, it's great. And so on her attempted murder on New Year's Eve, he couldn't have. done it. They know that these are clearly linked. Like, it's the same voice. It's the same guy. Right. He knew things that no one else would know. So it ruled him out because he just couldn't have attacked Karen. It just didn't match up. So that was that. Now, on August 6, 1982, a 40-year-old nurse named Barbara Simons was out at the hexagon bar in Minneapolis on that evening. Bar staff and witnesses said they saw her dance. and talking to a man that night.

She went up to get a drink at one point, and she said to the bartender, something along the lines is a couple of versions of this. He's cute. I hope this guy's okay because I just need a ride home. She said something along those lines of like, hope this guy's okay because he's driving me home. It was almost like she was like, here we go. Please know that, like in case something happens. It was almost like her putting that out there.

Girl, if you feel that way, don't get in the car. Well, and the bartender thought, you know, that's, creepy. So she took a good look at him, which good on her. I'd be like, just wait and I'll drive you home. Yeah, she was like, I'm just going to take a look at him. So she and some other waitresses from the bar that evening said that they all got a good look at him. They said he appeared to be around 40 years old, around 200 pounds, and six feet tall. Okay. They said he had black hair that was receding. He was balding. They said they, and he also had a mustache. Okay. They were seen leaving together that evening. Okay. And she's gone. Uh-huh.

There's another call. Weird. I love that the 911 operator's like, dude. Like, it's been a long night. Like, chill. I can't understand what you're saying right now. So this one is certainly more frantic. Yeah.

This is, because this was done right after he had done it. So I think he's in that, like, high anxiety. Who knows what he was going through. But he's in that crazy euphoric and, like, crazy nutbag state that you're in after you brutally murder someone, I imagine. Oh, that one. So I said euphoric. Well, I mean, it's probably for him. It's euphoric. Yeah. But what he said in that, because it does get a little muffly and hard to hear because he's just, he's just crying. He's just wild and out. So the operator says, fire emergency. And he says, please don't talk, just listen. Which, okay, don't tell me what to do.

Shut up. Let me do my job. You shut up. And he says, I'm sorry, I killed that girl. I stabbed her 40 times. Kimberly Compton was the first one over in St. Paul. I don't know what's the matter with me. I'm sick. I'm going to kill myself, I think. And they say, where are you? And he says, I'm just going to, if somebody dies with a red shirt on, it's me. I've killed more people. I'll never make it to heaven. And she says, calm down. Calm down. Oh, gosh. She's like, God. You're really fucking annoying. So, yeah, so they get that phone call. Yikes. And they're like, Uh, what, what? So he doesn't say where. He says, I've killed more people and he doesn't say where. Because he doesn't want to get caught. But what happens was the next day, the very next day, the body of Barbara Simons, 40 years old, a nurse, was found beaten and stabbed over a hundred times.

Jesus. With what police said was either an ice pick or a screwdriver. I wouldn't know why he had an ice pick. I have no idea. She was thrown into the Mississippi River, but she had become insnesty. neared in some like weeds on the side. So she had washed up. Oh. But they had tried to get rid of her. Right.

Which to me is another thing that's like, did you really want to get caught? You thought she was going to float off to see. Like, let's get out of here. So now police went back to the bar. She was at scene last at and spoke to the staff who relayed the whole story of that evening to them. The waitress who really took a good look at the guy after she told her she was going

to go home with him, she was shown a bunch of mugshots, a whole lineup. And they said it was like over a hundred pictures. Wow. And suddenly she stops them and is like, that's him. Like, definitely the guy. Definitely know that's him. It was a photo of 38-year-old Paul Michael Stefani. He had a mugshot because he had been arrested and convicted of aggravated assault before.

Oh, okay. Now, like I said, it's said that he had a little bit of history with mental illness, but nothing proves that. There's no sources that people say it, but I have not seen anything to confirm that. Like an actual source. Yeah. So I just want to say that right there. Like, we have no idea. He was never diagnosed with anything.

I have no idea. He did work at the manufacturing company that Karen was found in a couple of years before he had committed these crimes. He was fired from there. So he's looking pretty good for these crimes now. Yeah. Now they get, so they immediately get an order for 24-hour police surveillance on him. They're going to go after him. They're going to John Wayne Gatesy this.

They're going to tag them. So on August 21st, 1982, one day later, he got in his car. So they're following him, like trying to be, you know, don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious. Don't be suspicious. I would love to do that. Well, unfortunately, so I have no idea whether he caught on or not. Like, no one really knows this, but I don't think he did because of what he does next.

So he lost them somehow. And he went into Minneapolis. He went into, you know, where you can find sex workers. Sure. And he picked up 19-year-old sex worker Denise Williams. They lost him and then he does this. Wow. Exactly.

That's why I don't think he knew that they were following him because I don't think he would do this. He wouldn't have made a pit stop. Yeah. So they negotiated $100 for whatever act was going to occur. He brought her back to his apartment. They engaged in a sexual act. And he offered to bring her back to the place where he had picked her up. So she was like, cool.

So they start driving. And she immediately starts getting freaked out because he was not going the right way. She also said he began talking about his sexual fantasies with her and it was creeping him out. Like she was like, all right, like it's done. Like we're, this is it. Yeah, like we had the sexual fantasy by. Get over it. She said she was just getting uncomfortable.

And then he drives into a pitch black road with like no street lights. Oh, my God. This poor girl. Yeah, and she starts freaking out, and she's like, where are you taking me? And he's like, everything's fine. I'm just taking a shortcut, which they are never taking a shortcut. No. Never.

There are no shortcuts. Everything is long. It's a long cut. Everything in the world takes forever to get to. It's a deep cut. There's no shortcuts in the world. None. So if anybody tells you, I'm just taking a shortcut, tell them, no, you're going to

fucking murder me. I know it. Hop out of the car. Elena told me. Skirt. Elena told me there's no such thing as a shortcut. There's no such thing as a shortcut. They all say that.

don't worry about me taking you into this weird wooded area it's a fucking shortcut do you know what's really funny about driving with me though i think i know all these shortcuts i know you always tell me this is fucking longer i do and then annie the other night was like because it's always long annie was like i'm taking like a different way because you take the longest way and i was like no i don't i know a shortcut you don't and then she got home before me exactly because there's no shortcuts so i am evidence that there are no fucking and you know what it's fine everything takes forever to get to and that's fine let's all just accept it. Never accept a shortcut. No, just listen. Morbid podcast on your deep long cut. Yeah, that's what we're here for. We're here for your long commute, not your shortcut. Duh.

So don't take one. Either way. Denise also knew that there is no shortcuts. Just went off. Because she's very street smart. She has been, which this like hurts my heart, she has been a sex worker since the age of 13. Oh my gosh. So she had been on the streets for quite some time. She knew this area. She knows how to get back to where she was. She knows the shortcuts. She's like, dude, no. And she also knows dudes like this who are going to try to hurt you and try to scam your ass. So she was like, I know what's going on here.

So she immediately starts looking around. She sees a glass bottle on the floor. And she's like, and she just looks at it. And she's like, all right, that's there. Cool. That's good to know. So he pulls into a dead end street that is pitch black. Fuck that.

And he turns the car off. Why? And she notices. So she's like, okay, you need to turn that car back on. right now, because I'm going to get the fuck out of this car right now. And he tells her some grass, ass, or gas, no one rides for free. And she was like, yep, that, like that we, what, that already happened? The ass already happened. Like, you know, it was paid for. Like, we don't need to, like, this doesn't need to be a thing. No. Like, you're not getting something for free either.

Right. Like, fuck you. We made our exchange. Yeah. And fuck off. So he immediately tries to grab her hand, but she attempts to get out of the car. And this really makes him angry. So he turns and grabs a Philip head screwdriver and stabs her in the stomach. Oh, ow. So she immediately snatches that bottle off the floor and smashes it right over his head.

Incredible. He is bleeding profusely. She's not bleeding a lot because even though he's stabbing her, it's a like puncture wound. So it's not bleeding a ton. he is bleeding everywhere. Right. Because she has managed to gash open his face and head. Hell yeah.

And he is bleeding everywhere, like all over the car. So it is mayhem. And I guess he said in a high-pitched voice. Ew, no, shut up. You're just like the rest of those broads. Ew, I'd be like, no, I'm not. I'm going to kill you by. Which to me is the evidence you need to say he has something against women.

and this is something he does. Yeah. Because he's saying you're just like those other broads because she slept with him. Right. And he is shaming her. I think that this is what it is. I swear I should, I'm going to fucking do the psychology on this dude. I'm going to write a book.

I mean, you have a psychology degree. I'm going to write a book on him because I really do feel this has something to do with it. It seems like he is shaming them immediately after getting what he wants. Yeah. So he says, you're just like some of those other brads. And then blood is everywhere. It's mayhem. She can't see anything.

She said all she could see was blood. she couldn't get out of the car, but she eventually, she opens, she gets the handle and pulls it and just falls out of the car. He falls right on top of her. Shut up. And is continually stabbing her still. Oh my gosh. And she's screaming at the top of her lungs, thinking she's alone because they're in the pitch black. There's nothing around.

But he chose the wrong street because there was houses that were hidden on the street and were just dark. He had no idea. shit like just like back a little so yeah and she says suddenly that she decided to play dead and she was like I'm just going to try to pretend I'm dead so he'll stop because he kept stabbing her and she said I'm dying I'm dying and then she just laid there but he kept going yeah because he's like wild with a maniac so somewhere nearby there was someone with their window open and heard these screams this man was Doug Panning sometimes fresh air is for dead people other times it's for saving almost other times it's for heroes that's all. So Doug Panning runs out of his house, sees this man on top of Denise stabbing her, and he

runs over to the scene. Wow. And it says, so I found in the trial notes for this, like a very small court transcript of this case. I hate when you can only get like one page. A little snippet. Right. That's all I could find. It said Panning observes Stefani on top of William, stabbing her with the screwdriver at least five or six times. Panning heard the screwdriver make a thud when it hit bone. Oh! So he said he could literally hear it hitting her bone. Ouch, out.

He saw Williams had the neck of a broken bottle in her hand. So she still had that broken bottle and was still trying to get him. Good. Now, he grabbed Stefani and turned him around to try to make him stop. And Stefani starts lashing out at him. Of course. With the screwdriver. So Doug got away from him and ran back to his house and called 911.

Now, Stefani knew the police were likely coming and figured he had probably killed Denise, so he got in the car and sped away. Wow. This is when Doug, being the god that we all need at this moment, ran back out and to help Denise and like held on to her while they waited for police. Yeah. Which like what a badass he is. Like he was attacked too. So he could have stayed in his house and been like, they'll take care of it. Right. He ran back out to like comfort her. Good for him. Just like, I want to give Doug props. Me too. So according to the court papers, her wounds were to the lower right chest, upper right abdomen and right side of her head. One wound punctured her lung, another punctured her liver. Since she had puncture-type wounds, like they said, there was a minimal amount of external bleeding. She was stabbed at least 15 times.

Wow. Yeah. She had emergency surgery, and she survived. Yes. Now, this is when the fourth call of this whole thing came, and came that night very soon after this. And it's not exactly what you think. So, yes. he called the ambulance for himself.

Okay. So, yeah, he's like, and he literally's like, I got beat up. And he sounds exactly like how he sounds in the other calls just less frantic. And it's like, yeah, you did get beat up. Denise beat the shit out of you. Right. I'm glad that you had to call an ambulance for it. It's also interesting because you do think that if you were beaten the way that she beat him,

you would be frantic then. Yeah, right. But honestly, I think he had lost a lot of blood. So he was probably like on the verge of passing out. That's true. But I'm also just like, it makes me even feel more like that was so put on before. Exactly. Exactly. And so he was bleeding profusely, again, several huge lacerations that she had inflicted on him, which good on her. So police hear this call and they're like, oh, that's that weepy dick. Like, that's definitely him.

Good old weepy dick. The weepy dick killer. Like, that's him. Gross. So they were like, oh, that's definitely the same voice. So they're like, all right, let's bring him into the hospital. And Denise at the same time is explaining what she had done and self-futable. defense and these injuries are matching up because she was like, oh, I took a bottle and I slammed it on his head, gashed his side of his face open and his head and they're like, oh, that matches. Right. Now, they're also like, oh, wait, this is also the guy that we were following and we lost him. Jesus. So they're like, wait a second. And then this woman is attack and she shows up with the same injuries that she's talking about the same injuries she just inflicted on this man.

Right. It's all adding up now. Right, right, right. So, and again, he's claiming he got He was beaten and robbed, and that's where he got his injuries. Okay, buddy. They were like, yeah, no, half of that. Let's not lie. Denise was shown a photo lineup immediately. She picked Stefani out with, she was like, boom, that's him. Yeah.

Easy. Matches all up. He's arrested and charged with attempted murder. Good. Because they were like, this is definitely attempted murder. Because he also left her to die. Exactly. So they bring him in for questioning, and they bring out the case file of the weepy voice killer

while they're questioning him. Because they're like, we want you to take a look. And they show him photos of. his victims. And they're like, we want you to take a look at these because we think you're involved. Immediately, he gets pissed and aggravate, like, turns on a dime. Like, oh, I don't know. I just got them. And then they're like, look at these videos. Like, we think you're him. And he's like, oh, fuck right off. Like gets right. Which again, to me, says, I'm with it. Right. I'm just pissed that you're on to it. Right. In fact, the first thing he does is he gets up from his chair and says,

you're not going to pin those on me. Oh, so you know about them. And it's like, okay. So police officers in the room, though, said his voice changed, and it suddenly sounded exactly like the weepy voiced recordings. So he was doing it like on purpose. They were like, he changes it when he needs to. What the fuck? So they charged him with, they were also going to, they charged him with Barbara, because they were able to pin him to that one too, Barbara Simons. The other two murders, or the other murder, Kimberly, and then the attempted murder on Karen were in St. Paul. So they were going to need St. Paul to, like, stop, collaborate and listen with them. And you know how that can be hard. And obviously, St. Paul, like, wanted to, but they were like, we don't know if we have a lot of

evidence. Like, we have the calls, but, like, we don't know. So at first they were like, we don't know. And they were like, all, we're going to charge them for these two. And we're going to get them behind bars. Yeah. So they brought in a voice expert to listen to the calls and to listen to Stefani's like interview voice and these two, I think it was two voice experts and they said they were remarkably similar. Because it's the same voice. But they said they couldn't say definitively it was the same, which I'm like, so what good are you? Well, I was just going to say, okay, cool. So why did we bring you in today? Because it's like, wait, how much money an hour did you just make to come in here and say the exact same thing that we just said, which is my, my, my, these two voices sound very

similar. They just sit there and they listen to everything and they're like, sounds the same. Maybe. That'll be $3,000 per hour. Thank you, bye. Sounds pretty similar. Perhaps, but I'm not... That'll be $1,000. Thank you very much.

It's like, what the fuck? Why did you even come in? They're like, I'm not one to make bets. Yeah, that was annoying to me. I was like, okay, thanks so much. Yeah, right? We can all tell you it sounds similar. So they were like, cool, cool.

So the trial was in February of 1985 for the attempted murder. And it lasted six weeks. He pled guilty, he pled not guilty, to the attempted murder of Denise and the murder of Barbara. His ex-wife, his sister, and a woman he had once lived with as a roommate came on the stand to listen to the calls. And they were asked to listen to them and then tell us who they thought that was. His sister, most notably, was listening to it. And afterwards just, like, took the thing off and, like, put her head down and started, like, crying. Oh.

And said, that is without a doubt, my brother. Wow. Like she was like without a doubt. To have to do that to your sibling. Yeah. And so she was devastated. I'd be like, thanks a lot for putting me in that fucking position. He was found guilty of attempted murder and second degree murder.

Good. And he got 58 years in prison, 18 years for the attack on Denise and 40 years for the murder of Barbara. Wow. Now, St. Paul, they were like, all right, St. Paul, you're up. Yeah, like, let's get it. And they were like, we don't have enough. So they were like, we're not going to try. Why not?

I was like, what the fuck, St. Paul? Also, like, I know he's going away, but, like, Karen and Kimberly's families deserve justice. If you think of it, Kimberly was killed with an ice pick. Okay, cool, where's the fucking ice pick? It's probably in his possession somewhere. Exactly. And they didn't even, yeah. They didn't even look.

Yeah. They just basically were like, we don't have a lot of physical evidence. We just have the phone calls. Can you try to get some physical evidence? That he had information that only the killer would have. Right. And they're recorded. That's frustrating.

I'd be pissed. Yeah. So it left them unsolved, which that's, which they're not. Like those four families, they know he did it, but they didn't get their justice. Well, and technically he didn't get time for it. So. Yeah.

So he went away to prison. And in 1997, 12 years after he was put in prison, he was diagnosed with terminal skim cancer, he was given a basically a death sentence. They said, you probably have less than a year. So he immediately was like, oh, well, shit. So he asked to speak to the St. Paul police. And they were like, what? And he was like, well, I have some information that you might want.

And the only thing that I would like in return is a photo of my mother's gravestone. That's really fucking weird. Which to me, I'm like, there it is. There's your mommy issues. Yeah, that's disgusting. There it is. It's in there. It's in there somewhere.

I swear I will find it. I want to talk to the police and all I need is a picture. Like, why couldn't you get that from your sister? I just want a picture of my mother's headstone. That's really weird. That's just very bizarre. So they were like, okay. So they just brought it to it.

I also love that he doesn't just want a picture of her. Yeah, just her headstone. I want to see her headstone. Okay, sorry, go ahead. And it's like, okay. Sure, sure, sure. See, there's a lot behind there. There is.

There's a lot bubbling on there. There is. I have many thoughts. I got to know. So they met with him and he just confesses to everything. He pours the tea. He said he attacked Karen. He was like, yes, I sure did.

And he said he hit her a good 20 times. And he says it very casually. Yeah. Like, whatever. He says, when I picked her up, she had no jacket. and I thought I'd take her for a cup of coffee. Stefani confessed, I just wanted to warm her up and my mind snapped or something. So they say, in the interview, they say, do you remember where you hit her with the iron pall?

Did you hit her maybe one time, two times? And he says, oh, God, no, must have been about 30 times. A good 20 times, I think it was. And then they said, were you swinging it this way or did you poke her with it? Like, where you was trying to stab her with it? And he says, no, I don't think I poked her at all. I remember hitting her mainly on the forehead and on the cheek, the jaw, the mouth, and on the top of the head. I think it was only about 10 times in, but I then noticed that she really must be hurting a steel bar like that.

Oh, okay. Okay, Paul. Oh, I realized she must be hurting. And then he said 10 times in. So you kept going after that? So then I went another at least 10 more times. And also, you're saying that you had the wherewithal to know that she was hurting. To sit there and be like, ooh, she must be hurting.

This is a steel bar that I'm hitting her with. So you recognize that. So you didn't snap. Exactly. So you were totally with it. And that's why that mental illness thing, it's like it can creep in there while you're reading this. And then all of a sudden you're like, wait a second. Yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. So then he did say that he confirmed what the waitresses said about how he met Kimberly Compton. He said, quote, we started talking and I told her I'd show her around town. I thought I'd drive her by the river and maybe we see the Delta Queen or have a picnic. But in 15 minutes, she was dead. Why, though? Yeah. Like, why, though?

And he says, I said, yeah, I want to show you something. There's really a nice view over here. And he said, you can see the nice river, I think I mentioned. And then he said, I think I mentioned, you'll have something to tell your parents about. And then you decided to kill her? As I walked out of the car, I carried my knife with me. I had every intention of hurting her. Okay, that's not snapping.

We laid down in the grass. And I remember opening up her bra. Just feeling her tits and stuff. Ew. Grow up. And I just start stabbing her. And then he says, I was even hurting. When I went back to the car, I was like, I was like, I mean, and that's what made me go to the police and use the phone.

I mean, I really wanted to help her. My mind started clearing up. I mean, I really wanted. And then he says, my mind started clearing up. What are you doing? I said. I said, you had a chance to make another friend. I kept yelling at myself.

You like to make friends. No. I think that's him trying. Trying to come off. Like, I just wanted to make a friend. And it's like, no. No. No, you didn't.

No, because the fact that you carried the knife with you to the car, like, no. Exactly. It just doesn't make any sense. And then I feel like he said, like, you'll have something to tell your parents about to be an asshole. Yeah, like, you're going to have something to tell your parents about before. I'm going to take you from them in five seconds. Right. So fuck right off.

No. So then during this interview, so they're already like, oh. Okay. Thank you for all of this. Signs. He'll delivered. Then he's like, oh, yeah. I also killed someone that you didn't mention. And he's like, they're like, what, what now? Like, huh?

Yeah. Besides those four people that we're talking about. And he says, yeah, one happened before Kimberly or between Kimberly and Barbara. So it was his second murder. Okay, okay. And he didn't have any information about who she was, like couldn't give a name, was just like, yeah, I drowned her in a bathtub in her own apartment. And they were like, oh.

So they check with Ramsey County Medical Examiner Office and ask because he knew that's where it was. Yeah. And they ask about any like drownings like that in the last couple of years. And it matches the case of 33-year-old Kathleen Greening. Uh-huh. Initially, they had looked at this. The police had looked at this as suspicious when she was found. And her estranged husband was actually heavily looked on as a suspect, but nothing ever panned out.

So it was labeled an accident. Mm-hmm. It was July 21st, 19. She and her friend Carol Kellogg were planning a trip together. Carol showed up that morning to pick up Kathleen. No one came to the door. So she pushed the door open because it was unlocked, which she already was like, that's weird. She said she went through the house, found her in the bathroom. She was in a full bath, face up and dead. Wow. I wonder, did he say that he knew her? Is this like a break in? He didn't give a lot of it. He said he was able to give details about her and about her apartment that made them know that this. is who it was. That's so strange because it's so different than the other ones. It's totally no call and a totally different M.O. Yeah.

But what's weird about this is they had, when they were looking at this, like it was a foul play, they had obviously collected stuff from her apartment for evidence. Yeah. They had an address book of hers. And when they looked in it, there was an entry for Paul S. And it was his phone number. So maybe they... So they did know each other in some capacity.

Right. In some capacity, they... had met and exchanged a phone number. Yeah, so maybe it was like a date or something. So that was like their boom, there he is. Like he's telling this one. That's so strange. And when they showed him, he was like, yeah, that's her.

Like I did that. And he just wouldn't give any more. He said, and then when they asked her how he did it, they were like, did you like hold her head down? Like, what happened here? And he was like, oh, no, I held both her shoulders down and drowned her in the bathtub. What the fuck? Yeah.

So weird. So he said when the murders occurred that there would be a voice. in the back of his head that would say, Paul, it's time to kill. Which to me says, I'm going to try to pretend to be an insane person. Right. And he said he would always go to church after the kills and he would sit in the back and cry. And then he said, and I'm here we come with the mama. Ew.

He always said, quote, mother always told me if something hurts you, go to God. I'm telling you, the mom is, there's a big puzzle piece here. Listen, sweet cheeks, I'm sorry if you call your mom mother. But if you, if anybody refers to their mom as mother, they are a serial killer. Yeah. Whitney from Southern Charm, I'm looking at you. I know that you're a serial killer. Whitney, you listening?

If you call your mom mother, it's weird. It does. And especially after a certain age, it's like, what's happening? As an adult, if you're like, mother. Hi, mother. Hello, mother. Mother always says. Like, shut the fuck up and just call her me.

mom it's it's weird man um and so he also was quoted as saying killing was seemed to me the thing you were supposed to do that was part of life driving a car was part of life eating food was part of life to me it seemed like killing was part of life until i did it okay so again if like you're just somebody that is a murderer it's part of it's part of you like it's you're ted you're like ted bundy you know maybe you're saying that afterwards you didn't like it afterwards but that's That doesn't change the fact that you weren't insane when you did it. You just didn't really, afterwards, you were like, I don't know if I liked that. I'll try it again, though.

Well, that's the thing, because I'm sitting here saying like you, you're saying that you didn't like it, but then you did it four more times? Yeah, it doesn't really make a whole lot of stuff. No, you liked it. He did die at the age of 53 of skin cancer on June 12th, 1998 in Oak Park Heights maximum security prison. I wish that he had lived longer so that he could suffer in jail. Yeah, it's, I just, this one is a strain. And the mom is a big part of this pathology. I'm telling you.

No, I need to know more about this upbringing and this dynamic in this house. I don't know. Maybe I swear there needs to be like a full investigative thing into this. It's also interesting that he was like abused by his stepdad and she would tell him if something hurts you go to God. Yes. So those two things are related. Yeah. I think he's one of those that had a weird, weird obsession and fixation was mother, but also hated her.

I think he's one of those. I think he's one of those that is like, I fucking hate her, but I love her and I'm obsessed with her. Like, you know, those weird? Yeah. It's like a dichotomy. I feel like he's one of those. That is a wild case, man.

The weepy voiced killer. I feel like next time I cry, I'm going to like think about this. I know, right? Yeah, I'm going to. Don't talk. Just listen. I know, and I know you shouldn't laugh at that, but that's like really funny. That's fucked.

Like, it's not fun. That's fucked. Yeah, it's not funny. But the way, the way he says it is fun. Okay, thanks. It's objectively funny. That's, the way he says that is objectively funny. No, I love, I don't love.

But like, when he goes, I don't know. Like, okay, okay. Okay. All righty. What's the address? I don't know. Like, we'll fucking bring out your Google. It's 1988, God damn it.

Yeah, why don't you have one? Oh, man. Oh, so yeah, the weepy voice killer, everybody. Well, if you want to see what this bozo looked like, head on over to Instagram. Morbid Podcast. Put us up on Twitter. A morbid podcast. Send us a Gmail.

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