Morbid - The Whaley House

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

We’ve got a haunted hot spot for you this week! Heading over to San Diego, California and diving into all the hauntedness that is the Whaley House. We hope your main takeaways from this episode are: never buy land that was once used for hangings, always set the house alarm as fast as humanly possible, and remember that it’s rude to blow tobacco dust in someone’s face! Thank you and goodnight.  WHALEY HOUSE INFO/ TOURS Donate to the Whaley house here! Halloween Virtual Events As always, thank you to our sponsors: Daily Harvest: Keep it simple with Daily Harvest! Go to  DAILYHARVEST.com and enter promo code MORBID to get twenty-five dollars off your first box! Care/of: For 50% off your first Care/of order, go to TakeCareOf.com/morbid50 and enter code morbid50 Upstart: Hurry to Upstart.com/morbid to find out HOW LOW your Upstart rate is Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Elena. I'm Ash. And this is a spooky morbid. It's a morbid and retrograde. It is a morbid in retrograde, guys. Are you experiencing the lack of communication with legitimately everyone in your life right now? Or like, are things just not going your way? Blame it on Mercury. Are you crying for no reason at all? Are you crying because you didn't get a close enough seat to the drag show? And you wanted it to be special for your man. Are you crying because of that? Because I did last night. Thank you and good night. It's, you know, usually I'm very, like, I'll buy into like my, I'm like very capricorn. You are bitch. I like buy into that stuff. A lot of this stuff, though, I'm very like questioning about. I'm like, eh, I don't know. No, no, no. But when you, the way that today has

gone, the way that the couple of days has gone, when you said Mercury is in retrograde, I was like, I'm a believer. Because Mercury, first of all, I'm a Gemini. I'll blame it on that. If you don't know. Are you a Gemini? This is actually an astrology podcast for now. But, no, so I'm a Gemini. Mercury is my house planet. And when, so retrograde means Mercury is moving backwards. Yeah.

So everything is all fucked up, especially for me and everyone else. It feels that way. So you know what? As skeptical as I am and as like, this is silly as I am, I'm willing to blame it on that. So. Because otherwise, I don't know why everything is so fucked up. You just have to be a little patient with technology, a little patient with communication. a little patient with everything and just like try your best to communicate eloquently.

And if you get fucked up, just scream about retrograde. I think that's what I'm going to do. Because it just seems like everywhere you turn. You're like, what the fuck is going on? When in doubt, cry. When in doubt, just scream. Scream and cry until you get your way. This is brought to you by Ash.

If anyone else is feeling that way this week, you know, feel free to blame it on Mercury. Yeah. Because that's what I'm going to do. Fucking Mercury, man. Let's do it together. Let's all be weird and silly together. Isn't it funny how like nobody ever is like, oh, Jupiter's in retrograde? It's always Mercury.

Yes. I don't know what it's about. A little bitch of Mercury. So on a good note, we have virtual shows coming up that we've been so excited to announce. Yes. So if you don't follow us on Instagram, you didn't see the good news. We're doing three shows. A world tour.

A world tour. There, I'm like, you go. You do the intro. You do it. So we're going to do, so we wanted to do it so that people in different time zones could not have to watch at like crazy hours or not be able to watch because of the hours. And, you know, we were like, we would have loved to do a world tour in real life. So let's do one virtually. Yeah, until we can do it in real life again.

So we're calling it Halloween. And it's leading up to Halloween. And we are doing an Australia show. So it's going to be 8 p.m. local time, Australia. 5 a.m. R time. 5 a.m. our time, which we're psyched about. I love waking up that early and doing fun stuff. I think it's going to be fun.

It's going to remind me of Black Friday. There you go. We're also doing a Europe show, and that's going to be 8 p.m. your local time as well, which is what time for us? 3 p.m., I think. So that's going to be just like nice. I'm just going to have to pretend it's night time. Hopefully it rains that day.

Yeah, there you go. And then we're doing a North American one, which is going to be 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. Yes. So we are going to cater. It's going to be three different cases. for each of us, each of those shows. So again, six different cases. And each case, like, Australia Day is going to be for Australia. It's going to cater to the region. You know what I'm

saying? And on top of that, we are going to be really Halloween with it and we are going to dress up. But you don't know like what we're going to dress up. You don't know. And it's going to be something different for each show. So we really went like ham on this. So if you want to get tickets, you can head on over to on location live.com slash morbid world tour. And if you forget that or like it doesn't take you to the right place, the link is in our Instagram bio. There's tons of options on the website. So just make sure you read thoroughly, like that you're getting the right show for you.

If you want a poster. Yeah. Just make sure you read because it can be confusing because there's a lot of options. Many options for you. Many options. But we're excited about that. And we're going to tease out our costumes a little bit. of time. Let's start that tonight. Yeah, I think we're going to just post a little, like,

snippets just because it's fun and we're very excited. Yeah, I haven't been able to dress up for Halloween in a long time because once you have kids, you're just not really paying attention to your costume. Yeah, I haven't dressed up for a while. And then this year, it felt like we weren't going to be able to because where the hell are we going to go. Right. But then we had a reason. I know. I have like four costumes this year because I have three for the shows and then I have one for your kids. Yeah, because we're dressing up as the toy story characters for my kids. Yeah. Because yay kids. So we're excited about this.

We hope you guys are excited. And I think that's it, right? Do we have anything else going on? If you're a Patreon, stay tuned at the end of the episode. We are going to shout out some Patreon. We're trying to do that one episode per week. Just so. One episode a week and we're doing it at the end of the podcast.

So just hang out for that. And a new Patreon episode will be dropping soon. What? I can't tell you what day. because we have, I think, a thousand and four cases that we're trying to get done in two weeks. So it'll be in there somewhere. But I think, yeah, I think other than that, we're just going to start our show. And you're doing a haunted one this week, right?

Yes. You're taking a haunt. Remember, all of October, we, October. All of October. All of October. We decided we're going to do one of our episodes that's going to be like a spooky weird, paranormal, spooky thing. And then the other episode will be like straight up true crime. Yeah.

So I chose the spooky one this week because yours was so fun last week. Yeah, thank you. It was a lot of fun. The rectory, the borely rectory, that was amazing. They're a little looser of an episode and you can like have a little more fun. Yeah, I feel like they, because, you know, it's easy to make fun of paranormal stuff. Like not make fun, but like have more like silliness involved. Be goofy with it.

Because it's not like real people like, you know, dying. Nothing goofy about the Chicago rapper crew. Nothing goofy about that. me up. Yeah, that's no good. So the one that I am covering today is the Whaley House in San Diego. So if you're in San Diego, you probably know about it. It's probably been there if you're a weirdo. There you go. So it's located at 2476 San Diego Avenue in historic Old Town San Diego. Apparently the location is really cool actually. It's like kind of smack dab in the middle of like a ton of shit. Such as. Like just like downtown stuff, like restaurants, shops. Yeah, like it's in the middle. It's really cool. That's cool.

So this was ranked by Travel Channel as the Most Haunted House in America. Oh, shit. That's a pretty good distinction. Let's go. In 2005, Life magazine called it one of the most haunted houses in America. So I did the most haunted house in England and you're doing the most haunted house in America. There you go. Perfect. We did it. So this house was built on the site of a pretty gnarly hanging. So we start out right away. This house is built on a spot where you were just asking for ghosts. Oh, like 100%.

Way back in 1852, a small-time crook named James Robinson, or better known as Yanke a Jim. Yankee Jim. Yankee Jim. I just made it really. I was like, whom'st Jim? Yankee Jim. He was caught stealing a rowboat. He did this with another accomplice.

but he was the one who was hanged while the accomplice really only got like a year in jail. He did not row gently down the stream. Yeah, this was likely because Yankee Jim was a literal, like, infamous thief around this place. So he was always stealing shit. So I think they just had enough and we're like, we're going to do this. Not cool. They were just going to hang you? Like we shouldn't do that.

Don't do that. But I'm saying he was definitely doing this for a long time. Now, this alone is a bummer for Yankee Jim. But yeah. But the way the hanging really panned out was. This works? Not great. Why? Not great. Sorry if you just heard that. My leg fell. So he was a big guy. He stood at six foot four. So he was John's height, which is very tall. Tall boy. If you have brushed up on your torture and execution methods, which I hope you have. I mean, we do. Hope you all have. Then you're aware that

by the mid-19th century, the short drop style of hanging was totally out. And the long drop was all the rage. Yeah, because you've got to make a show of it. This was by the mid-19th century. Again, by the mid-19th century, I mean by like 1866. So this is 1852. We weren't at the long drop yet. Oh. So apparently that, in 1866 when it changed to the long-drop method, this is just a little history lesson for you.

Thank you. Apparently that was when a doctor was like, whoa, this short drop shit is real fucked up. Like why do you do a that? Because you suffer for longer, right? You're literally just strength. Choking to death. Yeah. And he was like, why I was.

we just letting people strangle to death as a better way to do this. He was like, let's be humane and give them a chance to break their neck first. Duh. That's so humane of us. So this doctor, Samuel Houghton, determined that there were three ways to die from hanging at the moment. And these are exactly what he said. One, by apoplexy caused by pressure on the jugular veins. Two, by asphyxia, caused by stoppage of the windpipe. And three, by shock of the medulla ablingata, which caused by a fracture of the vertebral column. And then he wrote, in the first two cases, so apoplexy on the jugular and asphyxia of the windpipe, he said in the first two cases, death is preceded by convulsions lasting from five to 45 minutes, which are caused by the cessation of the supply of arterial

blood to the muscles. But in the third case, death is instantaneous and painless and is unaccompanied by any convulsive movement whatsoever. Is that true? So to me that seems bad, yeah, because you're breaking your neck, so you're done. And this is great. And it led to the long drop methods of hanging whereby, you know, the person is dropped from a height calculated relative to their weight. And it hopefully causes their neck to break and boom, they're dead painlessly. Right. Unfortunately, this was 1952 and this whole revelation was not around yet. Whoops. So the short drop method it was for Yankee Jim. Oh, Yankee Jim. That's right. He was hung on the gallows after being kicked off a cart with a noose around his neck, so low that his tiptoes were scraping against the ground.

Hocus pocus style. Hocus pocus style. And he strangled for upwards of 45 minutes before finally dying. Oh, my God. According to the local paper, quote, he kept his feet in the wagon as long as possible, but was finally pulled off. He swung back and forth like a pendulum until he strangled to death. That was in the old-timey paper. What a poetic paper.

So nice. So who is, who's in that crowd and who's gleefully watching this execution be botched? All the children in the town. Everybody. And one guy in particular named Thomas Whaley. Oh. So Whaley was born in NYC. NYC.

And WC. And his family had come from a Scottish-Irish background. They immigrated actually originally to Plymouth, Massachusetts. Massachusetts, what, what? You know that rock? That was in 1722. that they originally came over. But Thomas had moved across country to California

during the whole gold rush scenario. Gotcha. There, he opened up a small business with a friend, and it was huge because of the influx of miners and workers in the area during that time. And then a fire destroyed the building, and it looked like all was lost. Well, shit.

Well, he tried to open a few more businesses with some other people, but it wasn't panning out. You know, he was having trouble. Right. So he ended up moving back to New York City. There he married his high school sweetheart. I know. Anna Eloise Delane.

In 1855, they both moved together back to San Diego. Once they were there, Thomas was like, huh, where can I purchase land to build my future home to fill with children? I know. Those gallows where I watched that giant man strangled the death for 45 minutes. So he did this on purpose. Yeah, well, he was like, oh, look, that land is for sale. That's where I saw that guy die. And then he was like, they were like, wow, you can have this land for like real cheap because it's built on a gallows.

Because gallows. And he was like, cool. So he bought it for like nothing. So obviously he did not believe in the paranormal. He didn't. He was not. He was like, whatever. So he bought it for nothing.

And he built a $10,000 home there, which back then was like, who boy. Bitch. A $10,000 home. Yeah. So he bought the land where Yankee Jim was brutally strangled to death in the gallows. Just want to keep putting that in there. Just a friendly reminder from two minutes ago. This guy bought that land.

So the San Diego Herald at the time called it the finest new brick block in Southern California. Hell yeah. So it was a pretty good house. We love that. He built on this land a granary and connected that to the home and a general store that he ran. I didn't know what a granary was. So I looked it up in Webster Dictionary and it's a storehouse for threshed grain. You don't know what threshed grain is?

I don't either. So I looked that up too. It's to separate seed from a harvested plant mechanically. So they sold rice there is what you're telling me. A bunch of grain, basically. Right, rice. They had three kids in this house, Francis, Anna, and Thomas. I love the name Francis.

I do too. I think it's very cute. It is. He opened another general store closer to town in the plaza. So, like, things are going well. Except that everyone was immediately starting to hear shit in the house as soon as it was built. Because gallows. Because gallows.

Can we get that on a shirt? Because gallows. Because gallows. I really, that's genius. I'm going to email the people. It's honestly an answer for everything. Because gallows. Like, what's that sound?

Because gallows. Yeah. So everyone, because gallows, was hearing the footsteps. Like one word. They're hearing all these footsteps. They're hearing like bangs. There's always footsteps walking around the living room in particular. Lots of cold drafts, I'm assuming.

Well, exactly. So the living room had an archway. Like still has an archway. It's still there. It has an archway that leads into like the parlor part of the living room. Sure. And this archway is supposedly exactly where the gallows was. Oh, shit.

Yeah. So they all assumed it was Yankee Jim doing all this stuff. And they just dealt with it because what the fuck do you expect when you buy the plot of land that a dude was brutally strangled on? Because gallows. Because gallows. So this is when the family really started having bad luck, though. Uh-oh. And Anna would later say, the wife would later say, like, she believed this house was curses.

Absolutely. Duh. At only 18 months, baby Thomas died of scarlet fever in the house. Oh, no. And around the same time, a fire destroyed his other store, and it was said to possibly have been arson. Oh, shit. Which is like, whoa.

Side note, I didn't really know a lot about scarlet fever. And then Allison explained it on the strange and usual on her most recent episode. And we already told you to go listen to that. But seriously, listen to that. It's so good. And it's just so good for this time of year. It really is. It is.

So this tragedy on tragedy on tragedy pushed the family to move from San Diego to San Francisco. So they left the house Bacon for a little while. Because they were like, we need to get out of here. It's like in the Bordley rectory when it kept being fucking open for, like dead for just six months. Exactly. So they were like, let's just move to San Francisco for a little while.

And Thomas was like, I'm going to get some work. We're going to just kind of chill out for a minute and get over this. Reset. That's a big deal. Yeah. And so in San Francisco, Thomas and Anna, ended up having three more kids, Violet, George, and Corinne. Cute.

So according to whaleyhouse.org, in 1867, Thomas Whaley assisted in the American takeover of Alaska, where he established stores in Sitka and helped set up an American base and served as councilman. So he was busy. I was literally just going to say he's busy. He's doing the damn thing. There was an earthquake in 1868, and this made the move back to San Diego to the Whaley House again. Oh, no. So they still just like owned this house? They did, yeah, because they were doing it.

Okay. And I think they were also, at one point, they started renting it out to people, which they continue to do. Sure. So they're like, great, let's just pretend none of this happened. They begin working their general store from the property again, and they turned the granary into the San Diego courthouse. The courthouse was renting that, like, room.

Oh, cool. And they used three rooms upstairs on the second floor as record storage for the courthouse. So they definitely were, like, bringing in the, some move up. Big deal. So they also turned a part of the house into San Diego's first theater because the Tanner Troop Theater stayed and rented a room in the house between 1868 and 1869. And it's like set up like a theater room. This is like a smorgish board of a house. It's a cool house. Yeah. So around 1871, the courthouse wanted to move with all the records to Newtown. But Thomas Waley was like, no, you have a lease. So he was like, sure, you can break that lease if you pay me to break

of money. So they didn't like this. No. So in March 1871, while Thomas was out of town on business, there was a violent raid of the Whaley House where those records and court documents were forcibly removed from the house to be relocated to Horton's Hall on 6th and F in San Diego. So they didn't even go to Newtown? Well, they did. I guess that's part of Newtown. Oh, okay. And during all this, Anna Whaley was held at gunpoint on the ninth step. on the ninth step of her staircase leading up to the second floor by this whole angry mob. So that's a trauma event. I mean, like they removed those records forcibly with an angry mob and held her at gunpoint while her husband was out of town.

Now people call it the legend of the ninth step and they will feel this horrific presence and a feeling of dread on that step. Ooh, I don't like that. And it says it feels like someone's trying to stop you from going further up the stairs. Because they are. Yeah. And they would literally feel like pressure, people say. Oh, that's so spooky. No, during the following years, there were instances of footsteps constantly around the home.

Thomas was the one who first noticed them, but Anna said she always felt a certain sense of like doom and foreboding in the house. She said the tragedies were probably all attributed to this ghostly presence. She felt this was cursed. In 1882, Violet and Anna were married, like the two daughters. Oh, okay. Sorry, I meant daughter Anna. Yeah, yeah.

They were married. Which meant that they were killing the game back then. Yeah. Duh. You're not going to be a spinster. You got married. Hey-o. So daughter Anna was married to her first cousin.

Cute. Woof. Named John Whaley. Whoa. Cute. So the cool thing is she didn't have to go through the whole like change your name process because they were both named Wail. See, that's convenience. Very convenient.

Unfortunately, Violet's husband, George T. Bertilachi. Don't know if I said that right. don't care because he sounds like a dick. Oh, okay, good. He turned out to be a dick, so they got divorced. Oh, scandal. Scandal. So scandalous.

Disgrace upon your family. Talk about it. Because this was 1882, she was humiliated. Even though he was a dick and she couldn't take it anymore. Like he was an asshole. Yeah. They had to get divorced. She was treated like shit.

Because you're just supposed to shut up and take it. Yeah, she's supposed to shut up and deal with it. She was literally treated like an asshole. because he was an asshole. So on August 18th, 1885, after dealing with all this shit around town and from everybody, Violet just absolutely devastated of being bullied and harassed and treated like shit, went out to the backyard into a building back there and shot herself in the chest with her father's gun. Wow.

Thomas Whaley, her father, found her and carried her into the home where she died in his arms in the home. Oh, God. So already we're having a lot of really. traumatic things happening in this house. Thomas Whaley actually died in 1890, so not too long after, only like five years after. Yeah. Probably have a broken heart.

This was after moving the family out of the house again after that. Oh. He died after years of trying to get the town to pay for the damages done to his home during that raid. And also getting justice for the literal assault on his wife. Yeah. They never gave him a cent. I believe that. He got nothing

for it. In 1909, son Francis moved back in to the Whaley House. Sure. To renovate it all because it had been sitting dormant. So they were like, we got to do something about it. It went into disrepair and all that shit. So between those times, it was literally just empty. Like, shit's just like festering in there.

Yeah. And like emptiness is just cold and sad. Yeah. And then he, and when he went back, he was renovating, which we all know that ghosts hate HDTV. So they are not into it. That was a really good joke. They're not into it. That was like a callback to our episode with M.

Oh, yeah. I didn't even think I literally have the worst memory. Just doing a callback, guys. Go listen to that episode. Hi, M. So in 1913, daughter Anna died in the home. Oh, my God. Or not daughter, Anne, excuse me, wife, Anna.

Wife Anna. She died in the home. And soon the kids, Anna, Lillian, and George all moved into the home again. But all of them besides Lillian also died in the home. So it's like insanity as I'm. doing the same thing multiple times expecting different results guys yeah like we got to maybe leave this house I don't know sell that shit so nowadays this house is a museum and you can go there you can take tours self-guided tours but a lot of shit goes down in that house hell yeah I do so apparently

the piano often plays by itself um and it's like an old-ass piano not one of those new ones that you can like hook up to play by themselves and it'll be like it's like creepy shit like it'll be like like, do-d-d-d-you know, you're just like really like slow, just one key at a time. It must be so fun to be a ghost. Oh my God, I would fuck with people so hard. Like I would just be lolling constantly. Like, can you imagine just like trying to play like a Britney Spears song on the piano or something and like scare the shit out of people? I would just play Alaska Thunderfuck constantly.

There you go. So the, so chandeliers swing, lights swing. The lights will turn on and off even though there are some of the, some of the, them aren't even like, like hooked up to the main electrical things. Sure. So they're on their own circuit. Electricians have come in and checked and there's nothing wrong with the wiring. So there's no reason for them to flicker.

That's how creepy. Doors open and close. Footsteps are often heard around. People hear the sounds of people eating and like literally having dinner in the dining room. What? Like hearing utensils scrape against like China. Ghost got to eat. Yeah.

And then people also during this will smell like the meal is being cooked. That's just harassment. They'll smell bread and like pie and stuff. And then they'll go in there and nothing is nobody's in there. If I smell bread and it's not on the table, get the fuck out. I'd be pissed. I'd be real pissed. Like you smell a chicken dinner and you go in there and nobody's in there.

I'm about to write a strongly worded letter to the afterlife. Like do not fuck with me with food. No. So people will often hear high heels walking quickly down the hallway and they think that's Anna Waley. They'll often hear children playing and laughing and like tiny feet like running across. Oh, tiny feet. Yeah, right. And they see impressions in the second floor of people lying on pillows when no one's there. Oh.

Figures are also seen from the outside of the house in the windows upstairs. Hey, that's the worst. And it'll be when no one's there. Yeah, it's the worst. Also, this is interesting because it's, this doesn't happen often, but they have their family pets have come back to haunt the place. Because pet cemetery. Exactly. So they had Dolly the dog and winks the cat when they were living in the house. people will see a dog and cat often. And they will see them inside and then when they'll say something to the employees like, oh, they're so cute.

They're like, we don't have animals in this house. That's so creepy. And they'll also see them like running in the back garden together, like chasing each other. Cute. But there's no animal there. That's okay. I love that. Now, remember that the granary was turned into the courthouse.

Oh, yes. Yeah. Well, people hear a gavel pounding randomly. Oh, shit. And like unmistakably a gavel from up there. And like rice spilling on the floor. Christ spilling. From the rooms where the Tanner Troop Theater stayed for a while, people will hear like vaudeville music and like laughter and conversation. Like there's a lively get-together there when no one's in that room.

So they're jovial in the afterlife. They seem very jovial. Now Thomas, the infant who died at 18 months of Scarlet fever, people say they do hear him because they'll hear a crying baby. Or they'll hear a cooing baby, like a laughing cooing baby, but there's no baby there. That's weird. Yeah. In the place under the archway, between the parlor and the living room where Yankee Jim was hanged, people will feel their throat suddenly constricted. No, thanks. And we'll feel like they can't breathe or that they have to cough. Oh. And people say they, like, randomly, people walk through that. You just like took a big breath. I literally had to take a deep breath. No, I had to. If I think about not breathing, I have to breathe. I know. I'm like, but people will like walk through the archway and suddenly be like, like, we'll like have to cough sometimes. Leonor like, what the fuck was that? A tour guide said he has that Yankee Jim seems to have a sense of humor as well. I love that about him. He said, quote, sometimes we get visitors coming up or down the stairs, the agreed location of the old gallows, who end up with a red mark across their necks.

It doesn't hurt, and most people don't even notice until someone else points it out. Oh, shit. One girl ran out of the house in a panic after her boyfriend noticed the thin red line. Which can you imagine Yankee Jim being like, how does it feel everybody? Just like lollin from the gallows. From the gallows, because gallows. Yeah, because gallows. According to whaleyhouse.org again, the former curator of the museum, June Redding, who apparently passed away, so R.P. June.

Said, we had a little girl, perhaps five or six years old, who waved to a man, she said, was standing in the parlor. We couldn't see him. Oh, shit. But often children's sensitivity is greater than adults. However, adults have reported seeing that man as well. And they think it's Mr. Whaley. Oh, so he's, I bet he's happy.

I hope he is. It's a museum now. I really hope so. He wanted it to be something. Apparently, he's usually standing on the upper landing on the second floor, and people said they see him clad in frock coat and pantaloons. The face turned away, so she couldn't really make it out, but then he'll fade away. Oh.

But he'll just kind of stand up there looking all distinguished. And then be like a dramatic exit. Like, he's looking over his castle. If I was a ghost. And his pantaloons. And I was like. like pantaloonin in the top and then I disappeared, I would just go, whew, like I would make that noise. Do it with yourmatic hand movements. And then I just boom, she's gone. You should like, you just

vogue real quick and then you leave. Goodbye. So in 1964, this is very interesting. Regis Philman, Philbin, excuse me, RIP, Regis this year. Oh my God, I forgot that Regis died. Yeah, 2020, Regis Philbin, it's gone. I'm going to feel that all over again. I'm sorry. I didn't know it would hit you so hard. I forgot that Regis died. He sure did. He sure did. In 1964, though, he visited the Whaley House. And he said he saw Anna Whaley. I bet he did. And his quote is, all of a sudden I noticed something on the wall.

There was something filmy white. It looked like an apparition of some kind. I got so excited I couldn't restrain myself. I flipped on the flashlight and nothing was there but a portrait of Anna Waley, the long dead mistress of the house. And he said, you know, a lot of people poo poo it because they can't see it. but there was something going on in that house. Hell, yeah, there was. So if Regis believes it, I believe it.

Regis's word is the word of God. It's the word. So in the mid-1800s, it said that a young girl possibly named Annabelle was running down the hell outside, playing with the kids. Not here for it. And she didn't see the clothes on and broke her neck running through it. Ouch. She was taken, so they panicked, took her into the Whaley house and placed her on the table

to try to help her. But apparently her tracheo was crushed. She died there on the kitchen table. Oh, shit. Now people will see this little girl in the kitchen or running through the yard. Oh, thanks. Now, I took a look at several travel sites, and I saw that a common occurrence as well is to feel colds in that house in random spots. Like, you know, that's to be expected.

But a lot of people feel sick to their stomach in certain spots. They'll suddenly get like an overwhelming. Like in the courtroom, they'll feel sick to their stomach. And actually, if you watch, I don't know why I'm bringing like BuzzFeed Unsolved. up so much lately, but Shane and Ryan did. They love them. We do. They went to this house. And when, I think it was when Ryan was sitting in the chair in the courthouse, he said all of a sudden he felt like really dizzy and lightheaded. Yeah. I don't think Shane felt the same way, but like, because they're you and me. We all know that. So, but it's interesting because that is something

a lot of people feel. That is weird. Now, another thing that's interesting is about 40 years ago, a police officer was called to the Whaley house and he saw a ghost. He only said that he saw this in his retirement letter when he retired from the force. Oh shit. So it only came out after that. He never told anyone else. I'm not getting let go because they think I'm crazy. No way.

This letter is where he spilled the metaphysical beans, if you will. He said he was called to the house because a concerned citizen had called and said they heard a woman and saw a woman sobbing behind the whaley house. Oh, no. I know what that. When the officer got there, he heard it, he heard the sobbing and he went back there and he said he saw a woman in period clothing. crying. And so he said, ma'am, are you all right? And she turned, smiled at him, and disappeared. Because it was violet. It probably was. Oh, I got chills. I got the gooseies. So, and Thomas Whaley has been known, which is like kind of rude, but kind of funny, to blow tobacco smoke in

people's faces. That's just great. On tours. He likes to do it to women a lot. Okay. I don't, I don't love that, Thomas. Anna is also said to have worn a specific French perfume that she always were and people will smell that strongly. You know that happens in our house? Like our childhood house? Yeah, I always smell my grandmother's perfume. And Ma does too. She always wore Chanel number five and I smell it.

Fuck, yeah, she did. Now, Victor Santana, who was a longtime tour guide there, he left in like 2014 after like 14 years of being a tour guide. Wow. And he was setting an alarm one night or putting in the code for the alarm one night in the house. When he heard a woman ask clear his day to him in the dark, why are you here? No.

Like pitch black in there. You're setting the code to get out of the house. Why are you here? I'd be like, I'm not anymore. Bye. Well, he did. He was so scared that he ran out of the house without putting in the code. Oh, my God.

So he opened the door, which set the alarm off because he didn't set the code. Apparently the police showed up because of the code. And when he got there, one of the officers was like, okay, we just need to talk to that lady in the parlor, too. And Victor was like, what lady in the parlor? And he said, the lady in the green dress, she works here too, right? She's in like a costume. Nah, brother. And there was no lady.

Oh, my God. But people think that it was Anna because she's often seen in a green dress drinking tea in the parlor. A lot of people will see that. You know, a lot of us have found out the hard way that getting into debt is very easy. And getting out is very difficult, refreshing your little credit app every day and being like, oh, we're still not getting any better. Whoops, still in the red. Makes you sad.

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thinking of too, was when we were in the basement at the Lizzie Borden house, we were on like this little handful of people were on like a tour. I will never forget this as long as I live. Clear as day. And the tour guides were downstairs with us. And she looked freaked out. And all of a sudden you heard a woman say, hello from upstairs. Like, think of how many times you've been alone in your house and you're like, hello? Yeah, because you feel something. Like, we're in their space. And that's what the tour guide, because I remember, the tour guide was actually like, went pale and was like, yeah, no one's upstairs. I promise you that.

Yeah. And she said, she said, as much as we think, you know, she's a ghost, she doesn't understand. understand that she's dead. Right. And she thinks we're ghosts in her house. Because he get like trapped there. So she might hear us and be like, hello? Like what's somebody doing down there? Do you believe in like parallel universes? I don't know. I don't know. It's a lot for me to comprehend. Do you think in a parallel universe like they're still there? Yeah, maybe. And that's what ghosts are. And like another thread of time. Yeah. I picture like Donnie Darko with like the little like time travel bubble. You know what I mean? That little like gooey thing that comes shoots out of your chest. We all have to follow it.

We just don't see it. Yeah. Or maybe in like another time frame, you know, they're the ones alive and we're all ghosts. Perhaps. We don't know it. Fuck. I'm just saying. Whaley house.

Are we dead or alive? What is happening? I don't know. So unfortunately, the Whaley house right now is kind of struggling with the pandemic. Aw. Because people can't come on, you know, like they're having trouble. Well, you can take a video tour of the Whaley house. That's cool.

And I'm going to link to it in the thing. There's also a Q&A with the Wailie. Waley House historians that you can participate in. I think it's on October 25th. I'm not positive. I'll double check it. We'll link to that too in case you want to do that. I think you can also send them some donations and like they're always looking for stuff like that. Yeah. They also have a store where they have a lot of books about the Waley House and the history and all that, which if you're into that, feel free to go on there and buy from them because, you know, we want to keep these places it's a small business, as much as we can. Because even like the Lizzie Borden House was having

financial issues, staying afloat. And I'm worried about them. Is that why they, I know the Lizzie Borden house is different from Maplecroft, right? Yeah. Is that why they sold it? What? Maplecroft? I think so, yeah. Oh, that's really sad. Because Maplecroft, in case you didn't listen to the Lizzie Borden episode, is the house, the mansion that Lizzie and her sister moved into after their parents were killed. And they named it Maplecroft. And she died in that house. Like that was her. her home. Because her sister moved out. Yeah, they had a falling out. And so Mabelcroft turned into a museum and it's so cool. And they were really trying to like redo it at the time that we went to the Lismorehouse. Yeah, they were telling us to go there. So it looks like it didn't, they weren't

able to, you know, financially do it? Has I been bought yet, do you know? I don't know if it's been bought yet, but do you know how badly I would buy that house? Oh my gosh. Donate to patreon.com. No, I'm just kidding. Donate to Patreon and we'll buy Maplecroft and just constantly record from Maplecroft. Yes. Oh my God. Can you imagine guys? This is what dreams are made of. If we were recording from Maplecroft every week, holy shit. Wow. That's method acting. That's method recording. I want to buy Maplecroft. Oh, so badly. I want to do it. I actually want to buy like my own house first. I don't want to be living in an apartment. No, I want Maplecroft first. Recording that Maplecroft. Living in my frat house apartment. But yeah, that's the story of the Whaley House.

which was built on the site of a botched execution. Love that because gallows. So because gallows. And guys, don't, I mean, I don't recommend buying plots of land that have that kind of traumatic history to them. It's not a good idea. That's really hilarious because we were just talking about buying Maplecroft. Maplecroft is it traumatic, though?

She died a peaceful death. After having a falling out with her sister. And people were really mean to her. People used to like run by and like yelling. at her and sing the Lizzie Borden song to her. Yeah, did you guys know that? We said it in the Lizzie Borden episode, but again, they would find her at her new house. They would find her at this house and like this old woman. And again, like, if she killed her parents, like, whatever. All right. But like, we don't know. And it's, they used to come and they would sing that song to her Lizzie Borden

had an ex. Right. And they'd like yell it outside of her house. I would have gone again full method acting and just like sat on my porch with an axe all the time. I'm not doing anything. I would have literally walked out slowly with a hatchet and just walked towards. And just walked towards. them with like some tomato sauce on it until they left yeah I'd be like what the fuck is up you little shits I want to do that now if I did it or if I didn't do it my whole plan is to be that lady in the neighborhood yeah I don't think you need a plan I think you're there sister look around I know I think I am look around all right well this episode was brought to you by some Patriots some beautiful patronesses what if that was my voice first of all I'd like to thank Leah sparks

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And then you move in and everything's not totally fine. And then you keep leaving and coming back. And then you keep leaving and coming back and bad things are happening. And not so weird that like something bad happens to you on the ninth step because nobody really likes the ninth step that nobody really has any time for that. And not so whether you marry a guy that's mean to you. And then like bad things happen in the back shed. And then a police officer sees you crying.

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