Morbid - The Yorkshire Ripper Part 2

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

Part two of the Yorkshire Rippers, unfortunately, includes many many more murders and Peter Sutcliffe continuing to evade law enforcement. So many women had to lose their lives and still, Peter seemed untouchable. We also discuss the unbelievable way this case was handled in the press and how the victims were treated as well. Luckily, toward the end of this episode, you’ll hear that Peter started to lose it a bit, and made some stupid (but lucky for us) mistakes. Law enforcement would get a bit of a clue that led straight to Peter, but would it be enough to stop him in his tracks and arrest him right there on the spot? Well, you’re about to find out!Apple, R.W. 1981. "Truck driver in Britain confesses at his trial to killing 13 women." New York Times, April 30: A6.Byford, Lawrence. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper Case: Review of the Police Investigation of the Case. Evaluation, Inspector of the Constabulary , Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom, London: Secretary of State for the Home Department, United Kingdom.Cobb, Richard Charles. 2019. On the Trail of the Yorkshire Ripper: His Final Secrets Revealed. South Yorkshire: Pen and Sword Books.Cross, Roger. 1981. The Yorkshire Ripper: the In-depth Study of a Killer and his Methods. New York, NY: Dell Publishing .Gazette News Services. 1981. "God's voice made me kill Yorkshire Ripper tells jury." The Gazette, May 12: 13. Cowritten by Alaina Urquhart, Ash Kelley & Dave White (Since 10/2022)Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash KelleyListener Correspondence & Collaboration by Debra LallyListener Tale Video Edited by Aidan McElman (Since 6/2025) Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hey, weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. Wow. And this is morbid and it's mini. It's so tiny. Mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, mini, morbid. Mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid, mini morbid. Little small. So tiny, small.

Like me. What's up? Sister. Hey girl. Everybody's like, oh weird. I fucking open the wrong podcast. Everybody's like, wow, unsubscribe. So we don't have a lot of business today,

especially because it's a mini episode and we try to stray from the business on those episodes. But one thing we just wanted to tease you all with real quick is next week, we are going to be covering the Lizzie Borden case, which a lot of people have been like, hey, you're from Massachusetts, what's wrong with you not covering that case?

Well, the reason we haven't covered it is because... We've wanted to cover it in a very special way. So we're going to be covering it from a very special location. And we're not going to tell you that location. Well, I think you might be able to deduce. We are from Massachusetts. What's in Massachusetts? Lizzie Borden's family.

That's who. That's who. So we're not going to tell you anything else. But get really excited for that, guys. And that's really all the business we had. So without, without, wow, we're killing it. Without further ado, drum roll, please. It's ash-tastic time.

Ash-Tastic? Oh, sis. Oh, we thought it was Ash-centric, but it's actually Ash-Tastic. And on July 18th, whoa. Rebecca Schaefer. was waiting for the script of the Godfather 3 to be delivered to her home in West Hollywood. Oh, no. Also, it was 1989.

Didn't tell you that. You didn't. But now you did. So the Godfather role was huge. Like, even just to be, it was for the Godfather 3. Even just to be asked to audition for this part was like a huge deal. Yeah. Winona Ryder got asked.

Oh, damn. I want to say like Madonna maybe got asked. Likely. Could be wrong. She was in fucking movies and shit. You know, I couldn't remember. She was a Vita. If she was in movies.

And then I said to myself, a league of their own ash. Oh, yeah. There you go. And she was Avita. She was the movie of Vita. Oh. Yeah. Well, she was Meg.

May. May. May. All the way May. All the way, May. That was her. Dirt in the skirt. Okay.

I'm really going off on a tangent. It was definitely Madonna. Yeah. So Madonna was asked. Winona Ryder was asked. And Rebecca Schaefer was asked. So she was waiting to get this script delivered that morning. Damn.

Yeah. A few years earlier, Rebecca Schaefer had moved to California after living in New York for a little while. And that's where she started out her acting career. She was on shows like One Life to Live, which I've never seen. And my sister, Sam, which I want to watch because I watched some previews. And I was like, that looks right at my alley. Really? Yeah, it's just like so fun.

It's very facts of lifey. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Facts of Life is like the reason it got canceled. Oh, well, touchy subject. Definitely. Yeah. Rebecca was super, super talented and, like, from a young age, she started acting when she was, like, 16.

And everybody that acted with her said that she was, like, a natural. And she had a presence. Yeah, exactly. And a lot of people said she was well beyond her years. When she began getting fan mail, her friends that she worked with were concerned that because she would write people back. And they were like, that's really nice that you're doing that. Yeah. But you're kind of setting yourself up for like always doing that.

And if you always do that, people might get a little attached. Especially with like celebrities, like actresses and stuff. I feel like people get super into it. And it's like if she's writing back, they're going to feel like they are owed something. You know, like they're going to feel like kind of too much of a connection. Like they can overstep. Yeah. Dun, done, done.

Exactly. So they urged her to please like maybe stop doing not so much. Take a step back. And they also said, please never, ever, ever put your real name on your mailbox. Oh, yeah. Which I got a lot of my information from a 2020 special. So that's like where I got that. But when the woman said that, I was like, oh, shit, that's such a good point.

I didn't even think of that. Yeah. Yeah. So anyways. One fan in particular became super obsessed with Rebecca. His name was Robert Bartow. He grew up in Arizona, and he was the youngest of seven kids. Which is a lot of children.

One might say too many. It's me. I said too many. It's me. I said it. Hi. What's up? He was, yeah.

So, and he had suffered a lot of physical and mental abuse, which is sad. One of his teachers said that he was, quote, a time bomb on the verge of exploding. Oh. Yeah. That's not good. His teachers would get, like, threatening letters from him and stuff like that. Oh, no. Like he, from a young age, showed a lot of signs of not good.

And it sounds like nobody took these signs seriously enough. I guess not. That's always the story here. Well, he had been hospitalized more than once and definitely struggled with mental health issues. So, 1986 was when his obsession with Rebecca began. He saw her on the TV show My Sister Sam, where she played Pam Dobber's little sister Patty. Oh, okay. And he decided to write her a letter.

And when she responded, she said that his was one of the nicest that she had ever received. Oh. Which she literally just seemed like she was the sweetest. Such like a genuine human. Like a pure soul. But he took that a little too. Yeah. Like, oh, okay, so we're destined to be together.

Yeah. So he decided to go to California to try to meet her. It's so scary that someone can like make that jump. Like, you know what I mean? Like just go from. Well, you're just so out of touch with reality. Well, that's like, it's so sad. It is also fucking terrifying.

It's terrifyingly sad. That's what it, and it's like, so you get, it's like you can't just be happy having this letter connection with her. Like, cool. Just be like you wrote me back. That's awesome that she wrote back. Yeah. It's like, um, Stan. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like the Eminem song. Yeah, it really is. It's exactly that. It's really sad. So he did go to California to meet her and went to, I think it was Warner Brothers, where my sister Sam was filmed. And he showed up with a teddy bear and flowers on set. Oh my God.

That's really sad. It is really sad. That's actually really sad. And when he arrived at the gate where security was, they were like, no, like you can't. He was like, I want to meet Rebecca. And they were like, well, who are you? They were like a lot of people do. Yeah. And he, he got like super, super agitated and like pissed off. And then I think one security guard was like, you know, man, like I'm sorry. Like where you stay and like, I don't want you to have to lug that teddy bear back on the bus. And like gave him a ride back to where he was going. So they weren't like dickheads. Yeah. They were trying to be like, Sorry, man.

We understand, like, you know. That sucks. Actually pretty nice. Wow. I feel like most nine out of ten times, like, people aren't that nice. They would have been like, get the fuck out of here, you weirdo. Yeah. Exactly.

So he came back again about a month later. Apparently with a knife this time. Oh, that's different from a teddy bear. Which is, yep, big leaps and bounds here. Very different. But again, he wasn't let into the studio to be. Well, that's good. Yeah.

That time, it's very good. So when he got home, though, he was really fucking pissed off that he was. unable to meet her. And he started to become more and more obsessed with the idea that they were either together or like destined to be together. So Rebecca started getting more acting opportunity. She was starting to appear and like made for TV movies and like a bunch of different stuff.

She was going to be like huge and that really sucks. Oh, she was. Yeah. Like she probably would have thought the Godfather role. She was on the trajectory to be like this great actress and it's like she was really up and coming. And she did this movie Class Struggle in Beverly Hills. And in the movie there's like a love scene with her co-star.

When Robert saw that, he lost his noodle. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even think of that. Yeah, because he would feel like she's his. Like he would feel jealous. Well, exactly. And he felt, well, exactly.

Like, I felt very jealous when Claire Daines made out with Leonardo DiCaprio and Romeo and Juliet. Me too. But that's as far as it was. But I didn't want to kill her. No, I didn't. I was like, Leo, could have been me. I literally was like. But.

I mean, I'm angry at Claritaines, but I'll get over. Yeah, exactly. Well, Robert didn't feel that way. He felt like she was supposed to save her innocence for him. Oh, which is. Oh, that takes us to a whole different level. Yep. That's not just like, man, she, like, you're hot and I'm sad that you're making it.

with that other person, like, that's a whole different thing. And he said something along the lines of, like, she had become, like, another Hollywood whore, which is, like, that's horrible. I don't like that word. I just said that, and I didn't like it. Right, it doesn't feel good, no. I don't think, I don't often ever say that word. No, I never say that way.

I love that I drop the word cunt, like, it's nothing. Yeah, but then you, I can't say more. Yeah, for some reason, yeah. Some reason, like, cunt feels less harsh than it does. It does. I think it's because I was raised on it and I, pub anyways uh anyways back to the show yeah this is dark and it's fucked up so he decided he was going to meet rebecca once and for all but this time it was going to be a different idea than what he

had before oh no so in the days leading up to july 18th bardo was planning and plotting for rebecca's murder god i can't believe it went that far that past well and it was just like you're typical if i can't have you, then nobody else is going to kind of motive. So scary. He went to buy a gun. And the man in the store wouldn't sell him one because he, like, he actually pulled up his record and it showed that he had struggled with mental health. Yeah. And he even went as far as hanging his photo in the gun store. So like nobody else would sell him. Wow. But Robert convinced his brother to buy the gun for him, telling him that he just wanted it for target practice. And he promised that he wouldn't use the gun unless he was with his brother.

Oh, no. But obviously. So he's got that on his head? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's rough. But obviously that was not the truth either.

No. I'm just going to use it for gun. Yeah, I'm just going to use it to shoot at trees. It's fine. Yeah. So 19-year-old Bardo then hopped on a bus, headed to L.A. to carry out this whole master plan. And also, just a side note, he had been inspired by Arthur Richard Jackson,

who had stalked and then attacked Teresa Seldana, who was an actress from the early 80s. Oh, yeah. And she actually survived the attack. She did. I remember that story. So Jackson, I'm going off on a side note just because this is where Robert got his kind of idea from. So Jackson got Teresa's address after he found her mother's phone number. Holy shit.

And called her mother and saying that he was to deliver a really important script to her. he lost her address and could she tell him what it was. Oh my God. And the mom is sitting there like, especially, I mean, in the early 80s, like, this hadn't really happened a lot. Yeah. No one had really been like stalked. Yeah, shit wasn't the same.

Like how they, yeah. How everybody has a stocker in Hollywood. How people like docks people and stuff online and all that, you know. Right. So she was like, okay, like, and gave it to him. And he fucking stabbed her like multiple times. And like I said, she survived and he went to jail. But this is where Bardo got his ideas.

Oh, my God. So when he got to L.A., we're back to Bardo now. He hired a private investigator to find out Rebecca's address. Oh, my God. And when he got it, he went directly there on the morning of July 18th. It was super weird. He, like, wandered around her neighborhood first, like showing her picture to people and being like, oh, like, have you seen this girl around the neighborhood?

Like, and they're like, it's fucking Rebecca Shainter. Yeah, they're like, I've seen her on TV. Yeah, and like a lot of people were like not like wanting to talk to him because he was super creepy. Yeah, because that's weird. It was West Hollywood so they didn't think anything. Yeah. So this private investigator he hired actually gave him her address. I think he got it from like the DMV because back then the DMV there was no law against like giving out addresses.

Like you could you could go to the DMV and just like fill out a piece of paper saying who you were and why you wanted it. And like they could they would just give it to you. That's so fucked. Yeah. That's real fucked. So he got, he literally paid him $250 and he got her address. God, for $250. Yeah.

Wow. And people didn't like the look of him when he was there, like walking around the neighborhood. Like one lady was like, he literally looked demonic. Ugh. Like he, and. Oh, that just like gave me chills. And then you're not supposed to judge people by what they look like, but he's a

shit stain. So he's really fucking terrifying looking. Yeah. No, he is. I remember seeing a picture. He looks so spook, spook. Yeah, he does. He wandered around holding them in.

envelope with a sign and he had a signed picture of her that she had sent him. Oh, okay. Like when she was being nice enough to fucking write him back. Yeah. And he also had a copy of J.D. Salinger's Catcher in the Rye. Ah. In a plastic bag. So just like Mark David Chapman when he killed John Lennon.

Exactly. So this guy is literally just taking pieces from other people. Yeah, he's the fucking BTK of celebrity murderers. What the fuck, dude? It would be original. Catch her in the Rye, come on. Literally, go fuck yourself. Like, can you be more on the fucking nose?

What's that one thing that holds in? Oh, you're a phony. You're a phony. Anyways. So eventually, he got to Rebecca's apartment and he buzzed her intercom. Her intercom was broken at the time, so she had no choice but to come down and see who was out of the door. And maybe she normally wouldn't have done that, but like I said, this was a big morning.

She was waiting for a script. Oh, yeah. So she would have gone down. like anybody can deliver a script so she wouldn't have recognized the person. Yeah, it wouldn't have been somebody that she knew. So that's why she was like so easy to go downstairs. Oh, what shitty coincidences? Yeah.

So when she opened the door to Bardo, he explained that he was her biggest fan. He showed her the signed picture of her that he had. And she was super nice to him and entertain the conversation for like a couple minutes. That's impressive because I would immediately be terrified. Yeah. Like I'd immediately be like, oh, no, no, no, no. Like, you are at my house. Yeah, this has taken way too far.

Well, she went as far as to, she excused herself, but not before shaking his hand and saying, please take care. Oh. Like, she was super fucking nice. And then she, like, excused herself. She left, and he left. And then. So he had this very pleasant interaction with it.

Yes. Very nice. So then he goes to eat at a diner, like, not too far from her apartment. And he is sitting there, like, stewing. Because he thought he was going to kill her, and then she was super fucking nice to him, and he probably didn't have any reason to. Exactly. So, but then he went back because God only knows why. Yeah, so he's just pissed that he doesn't have the motivation he needed.

Yeah. So he went back and he said something to her, like, I forgot to give you a CD or something like that. And according to him, but I don't believe this, just based on who Rebecca was as a person, like, based on what everybody says, he said that she said something along the line. of that he was wasting her time. Yeah, I don't believe that. To go away. Yeah, I don't believe that. And I was like, I don't think so.

And he said that she was acting like a brat or something like that. Probably because she was like, okay, that's enough. You're freaking me out. Yeah, like the first time you, the first time was way overstepping. Yeah. Way breach of privacy. To come back, I'd be like, okay. Like, this is totally taking a turn.

Way too much. So I wouldn't, that's not acting like a brat. That's being a fucking human being. Yeah. like, okay, I'm a little upset here. Right. So then that is when he reached into his back waistband, pulled it and fired, pulled the gun and fired two shots at Rebecca. One hit her directly in the heart. Oh, my God. That just like, like the saddest thing. Oh. And there is like video footage of his interrogation or whatever it is.

And he like reenacts it and he's acting like he's in like a lot of. movie or so and he's like and then I pulled the gun and he I think I saw this so but he fucks himself because his lawyers were trying to say that like the gun was in the bag when he killed her so like it wasn't premeditated exactly yeah because they they were trying to get him out of first degree murder yeah and course Marsha Clark the prosecutor was like watching his interrogation video over and over again she was like something about it was bothering me And he, when he explains how he shot her, he reaches around to his back pocket, literally, or like his back waistband, and does this kind of motion and then says that he fired. So it's clear that it was there all along.

That it was in his back pocket or in his back waistband. And he had to reach all the way around, grab it out. Like he had stashed with gun. So that's how she got him. And I think, I remember seeing that interrogation video because it's terrifying because he's very, like, excited to show. like how he shot. Yeah, he's literally like, and then I was like, and then he, obviously she like screamed. And he's like, he like, reenacts her screaming.

Yes, I remember that. And it's so fucked. He does this weird, like slow motion, like movie like, oh, like, and like, falls back. Just like that. Yes, I remember. It's like burned in my brain. I remember watching that. You killed someone yesterday.

And he's acting like it was this really cool movie scene that he did. Yeah. Fucked. So after he killed her, he immediately fled the scene and, like, she went back to Arizona. Oh, my God. So in the meantime, Rebecca's parents flew out to identify her body because somebody has to. And her father remembered. How old was she?

21. Oh, my God. Yeah. Fucking baby. She was literally super young. She was younger than I. She had her whole career. And it's just, like, it's so sad anyways when anybody fucking dies.

but this girl had like the brightest future. Yeah. She was such. And she just seemed so nice. Yeah, she seemed like a genuine person that. She shook his hand and said, take care. She wrote him back. And because she like slept with somebody on camera for her role.

Yeah. Because she acted. Yeah. Yeah. Like, because she did what you liked her to do everywhere else. Yeah. And that she was protected behind the Warner Brothers security fence at her job. Yeah.

Like, fuck you. Oh. So. So fucking entitled. When her parents flew out to identify her body, her dad remembered that her, he said her body was there, but she wasn't. Her spirit was gone. Oh, my God. Which is, like, that just, like, that just gave me, like, bleh.

Like, heartache. Instant heartache. Because that's, like, your child. It's just, blah. And she was their only child. Oh, my God. I can't even. So sad.

I can't. Um, her parents are, like, bad bitches, though, just wait until the end. Good. So the next day, Robert Bardo was arrested in Tucson after running in and out of traffic on Interstate 10. Very casual. They thought maybe he was like trying to get hit by a car or something. But he was running in and out of traffic yelling, I killed Rebecca Schaefer. What the fuck?

Like, this guy needed serious, like, mental treatment. Yeah, he clearly needed a lot of help. Yeah. So shortly after he was arrested, his sister notified authorities that she had. had suspected he'd been responsible when she heard about Rebecca Schaefer's death because he had written her letters describing his obsession with Rebecca and telling her like he was so pissed off that she became a Hollywood W word. And he was like basically telling his sister that this was his plan. That I'm going to kill her. Yeah, exactly. So later during the trial, Bardo's brother and father

testified that once they heard about Rebecca's death, they looked to see if the gun was gone that they knew he had. Can you imagine? And when they saw that it was gone, they knew. They were like, but it's like, guys, when he's telling you, like, how pissed off he is that this celebrity is having a love scene and that she's a whore now and that he's like felt betrayed by her because of this, don't you think you should take action then? Yeah. Because that's fucked up and that's not normal, like, logical human thinking. No, he needed to be somewhere, like put somewhere. They should have looked at them and like, okay, this is, this has started to turn.

This isn't just like his celebrity crush. Like, we need to take action here. And they didn't. What the fuck, guys? Like his sister, you got fucking letters where he's describing how Pistie is about this? You take action. Yeah. Like, what the hell guys?

It's so fucked up. So, like I said, the defense tried to build like this insanity case where they were like, oh, like he's guilty because of this. But Marcia Clark was like, yeah, fuck you. It was premeditated. He brought... He put the gun in his waistband and I know it. And also, oh, the Defines tried to say... He tried to say that a U-2 song made...

like spoke to him and like possessed him and made him want to kill someone. And if you want to see the most terrifying fucking video in your life... Oh, no. You can watch them play the U-2 song in court. And he literally... It's like Diane Downstile, like she was like nod in her head to hungry like the wolf. But he is going nutso over this song. He's like head banging and like singing the lyrics.

Literally like bopping back and forth. We should post it if possible. Oh my God. I watched it and I had full fucking body chills. What song is it? Do you know? It was exit. It was exit?

I don't know. I might like know the song if I heard it. I just don't know. It sounded familiar when I heard it. But it wasn't off that album that everybody has to have on their phone by YouTube. No, it's not. No, different one. So, yeah.

So the defense... But the defense's, like, fucking stupid-ass defense thing didn't work. Stupid-ass defense. Yeah, it didn't work because Marsha Clark is a bad bitch. And the judge found Bardo guilty of capital murder. And he was sentenced to life without the possibility of parolee. Good. And then later on in jail, he got stabbed like 11 times.

Oh, shit. But he survived. Oh, damn. A bummer. Which is a bummer. He got stabbed like 11 times. You said that with such like glee. Because he should be stabbed 11 times daily.

Yeah, that's fucked up. I can't say these things. No, we can't. Well, I can. No one should be stabbed 11 times daily, but like if anybody deserves to be stabbed 11 times. Yeah. Like if we're talking in like, you know, hypothetical. I mean, you know.

It's funny. I'm just saying. The only good. that did come from the murder of Rebecca Schaefer were stricter laws regarding stalking. Shortly after her death, a law was passed that prohibited the DMV from releasing addresses.

Oh, good. And the LAPD put together the first threat management team. Oh, wow. Rebecca's remembered by those who love her, including her mother, who now does a live show remembering Rebecca's life and the day it ended.

That's fucking amazing. If you watch the 2020, she puts on like this, It's almost, it's not improv, but it's like an improv kind of show. Oh, okay. Oh, that's cool. Like a one-woman show? Yeah, it's a one-woman show. Yeah, it's a one-woman show. And like, she's like, I got the call and like she describes getting the phone call and all that. But she, like also describes Rebecca, like moving to New York and then moving to Hollywood. Oh, my God. That must be the most heart-wrenching. Yeah. I have chills right now. Like, yeah, I have chills just thinking about that. Mm-hmm. Like describing your child. Like. go like their success climbing up the ladder making it and then this awful fucking tragedy

that happens to them oh yeah i can't even like that she's a bad bitch from being able to for one doing that like keeping rebecca's her name is dana like her memory alive keeping her like success like living somewhere and i think that's the whole reason that she wanted to do it plus I'm sure it's like somewhat, cathartic, exactly. I mean, it must be. It has to be. And like, just to go over that over and over again must be. It has to be some form of therapy for.

Yeah. But holy shit. So that is the big old bummer case of Rebecca Schaefer. RIP, Rebecca Schaefer. RIP, seriously. That's a real bummer. They said that at her cast, or at her funeral. There was like a shit ton of people there.

Oh, sure. And they put the casket next to her mom, and somebody said that her mom didn't take her hand off the casket the entire like ceremony. Oh my God. That's, oh. Isn't that gut-wrenching? Oh, stab me right in the chest. Mm-hmm.

Right in the chesticles. It was really sad. Oie. That hurts. I know. Wow, fuck that guy. And like, fuck that guy for like taking little bits and pieces from other shit bags who've done that. It's like, it's like, you too.

Like, fuck you, man. You fucking too. Yeah. You too. And you know what? That's just taking from other people, too. It's just being like, oh, I'm just going to take little bits and pieces from all these other psychos.

But I will say, obviously, there's something wrong. He clearly was, I mean, he's a shit stain, but he was obviously failed. I think he might have later been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Yeah, so he was failed many times over by many different situations and people.

Which is not an excuse. Yeah, not an excuse, not a justification. But I do also want to recognize. But, yeah, that like mental health stuff. is no joke. Like, you can't fucking ignore it, man. No, and that's the thing. Don't fucking ignore. Even the littlest thing.

Yeah. Like, that's... Even as, like, absurd as it sounds like, I'm so in love with this celebrity, like, I'm going to go meet them. Like, you can't let your friends do that. Yeah, you have to be like, do... Unless it's a meet and greet. Do you want to sit down and, like, talk about what this is? Like, do you... Like, at least talk to people. Try to communicate with them. That's the issue now. People just like, don't. Yeah, people don't want to get into that shit. And it's like, but if he's writing, you know,

he's talking to his sister about how pissed he is about this love scene. That should have been, I mean, if my brother or if, like, you were like, I'm, I'm truly pissed in this actor I love this now. Obviously, something is wrong. Is now an asshole because he had a love scene on screen. I'd be like, can we sit down and just talk about this? And, like, do you should see someone because that's a problem. Oh, the only thing that I will say about a sister, I think she lived in, like, Tennessee. Yeah.

But still. But still, it's like, dude, just. And I'm not, again, I'm not saying it's. anybody else's fault. No. But I'm saying like, you gotta, you gotta sit. There was a lot of people who should have. Who failed to act when they should have acted here.

Like you can't buy somebody a gun. Yeah. That has said the things that he said and struggled with the struggles. He struggled. Many moving parts usually go into these kind of scenarios. A hundred percent. And when somebody is seemingly having a mental break of some sort and you see that there is some mental health issues going on.

When they want you to buy them a gun, don't. Yep. Don't do that. Two, when they start talking about a person that they're obsessed with, who is, you know, be it a celebrity or other people. Or common folk. Or common peasants like us. You know, maybe don't let them fly somewhere or go somewhere to show up at their house. Definitely not.

With said gun. Yeah, just do everything in your power to not let that happen. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's asking too much from... No, morbid tip. Like, I hope no one gets mad at us for that, but, you know, like, I feel pretty confident saying that that's... Those are good tips. Yeah, right? Totally.

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and then you turned the teddy bear into a knife and then you find their house because that's really wrong, wrong, wrong. And then just fucking retoucher in the rye if you haven't already because you're a phony if you haven't. But don't bring it anywhere with you to do any bad things because I bet J.D. Salinger is so sick of that. Don't keep it that weird. Bye. Jady Salinger is sick of that shit. I'm sick of that shit. He's had enough of your shit.

Is he dead? Yeah. Cool. Bye. Bye.