More Life with Carl Radke - Dorinda Medley on Life After RHONY, the Gift of Grief, and Making It Nice

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Dorinda Medley opens up about life beyond The Real Housewives of New York, sharing what grief really looks like after losing her husband, Richard, and how it’s shaped who she is today. She reflects on love, anger, healing, and why she’s finally ready to date again. This is a raw conversation about loss, resilience, and finding more life through every chapter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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She's a DJ. And of course, a mother. Excited to dive into this chat. We are coming live to you here today from Softbar in Greenpoint. Brooklyn. I don't come to Brooklyn for many people. In fact, I don't come to Brooklyn at all. So you really must mean something to me. Something's working here. Well, let's just jump into it. Dorinda Medley, welcome to more life. Thank you for coming to Brooklyn. Yes. Can you imagine? Someone's got to take a picture, Durinda Medley wandering around Brooklyn. I mean, you got to

post on your Instagram. Yeah, it's like a unicorn at this point. Well, Brooklyn looks good on you. Thank you. Thank you for coming today. I always love seeing you, and your energy is contagious and you have such a great personality. You light up the room. But I'm trying to remind myself, how long have we known each other? I feel like, when did you start on Bravo originally? I started, let's think. It's 2013? 2013.

Wow. So I got on our first season of Bravo was 2016. And I attended a Downton Abbey event at one point. And Sonia was there, Luanne. I think you might have been there. And I was wearing a tuxedo and had no idea what the hell was going on. I'm like, why am I here? And no one knew who we were.

Everybody knew you guys. Yes. And I remember meeting Sonia. And I was like, I'm on Summer House. She's like, what's that? It was a classic song. Well, you know why? Because that was the height of the housewise franchises.

I mean, and for New York, we were kind of like the jewel in the crown at that point. You were. You know. And you guys. And look at us now. I know. Well, you've paved the way for a lot of women on TV and entertaining for days. I hope we've paved the way for women, period.

You have. I think about our generation as being such a generation that kind of had to deal with the old and the traditions of the old, it had to leap into the now. And especially because a lot of us have daughters, it's so important that we kind of take a lot of our old ways, but, you know, teach them to do differently. Did you ever think you'd be on a reality show? No.

I mean, listen, I just thought I'd be Mrs. Medley and, you know, be going to lunch twice a weekend and doing dinner parties. Which you do very well, by the way. But I have a question. Am I your favorite summer house cast member? Now, listen, I hate when people do favorite things. I hate when children do it. You are one of my top favorites.

And I appreciate you honest. No, you're one of my top favorites because what I love about you, Carl, is you are down to earth. You are honest. You are authentic. And you, I just think you were raised very well. Thank you. Shout to Sharon. Look at a man.

When you're dating a man, look at their mother. I hear that a lot, actually. And I just think that being so forthright and honest about your journey has been just a beautiful thing and involvement to Yeah, watching you evolve over the last couple of years has been great. Well, you've been, it's funny, I remind myself of this moment. I was going through a very public breakup. We were heading to BravoCon. I was very nervous and scared about the whole experience because I really hadn't been in

the public eye since the breakup, really. I went to the Delta Lounge at JFK. I remember this? I'm sitting there, and I'm like in my feelings. And I'm like, am I going to get paparazzi? Because I had a lot going on at that point. You did. I'm sitting in the Delta Lounge.

It's five in the morning. Correct. I feel this tap on my shoulder, and you were like, hey, what are you doing? I'm like, hey, Duranda. You're like, get over. Like, you were so cool and welcoming. Even at five in the morning, you were, like, making sure that I felt included. You brought me over to Jen Fessler and some other housewives.

Oh, sure, yeah. And we were all hanging in the Delta Lounge. And actually, it reminded me of, like, maybe I'm not the most hated person on Bravo at this point. And you just were so sweet and friendly. Well, morning is my magic. And I think motherings is sort of my, I love to mother. Yeah, it felt like. the motherly love, but coming from someone of your stature in the bravo sphere, I've always looked

up to you. And obviously, you've been through a lot and like for you to just kind of go, hey, come on, nothing, you're good. I did too. I was like to worry about it. It changed my trajectory of that. Well, you know what the good news thing? Everything passes. You know, I was on the phone with Hannah a couple days ago. And Hannah's your daughter, correct? Hannah's my daughter. And she's got her PhD at Harvard. So we're very happy for that. Yes. I always say, You know, you don't have to speak success. You just have to see success. So when people question me, I'm like, there's proof in the pudding.

That ha-ha. I love it. Shout out to Hannah. I want to get into just a little bit more about you too. Like, just you personally. I've been in some trouble. And I'm curious if you can kind of maybe shed any light on how much, like the most trouble you've ever. Oh, I've been in trouble.

You just did. There was no Instagram or camera back then. That's the goodness. I appreciate the honesty. I can tell you to the penny what's going on in my life. There is nothing that doesn't slip by me. I'm like a tax expert. So all my housewives who sometimes they talk to me about their tax situation and I cringe because I'm petrified of.

I mean, I feel like you got to give some more tax advice. I'm very good at tax advice. I asked someone the other day about something about a trust situation and they had no idea they were talking about. I was like, that's frightening. I want to get into like, you know, more like the personal stuff. And I think, you know, you've shared a ton on real housewives of New York. You've shared a ton publicly. You know, I've gone through a lot publicly and grief and losing someone we love.

And if you're comfortable, I'd love to kind of ask you a few questions about that. I mean, your husband Richard are at rest and peace. And, you know, I know is the love of your life and all the things. But can you talk to me about just like what made Richard so special to you? Richard was that person I never thought would come into my life. Because after I separated from Hannah's father, I kind of – How long were you married to Hannah's father? Well, I was married to Hannah's father for like 11 years, but we kind of separated like three years before that.

And you were all living in New York City at that time? No. So I was in London. I lived in London for 10 years. We kind of started off in Hong Kong, then moved to Vienna, then moved to Paris, and then ended up in London. You're a man. I just love hearing it like Vienna, Paris.

But I was living in London when Hannah and Hannah's father and I separated and then moved back to New York. And it's a funny thing. Like Ralph, who's a wonderful guy, never stopped loving each other. We just knew that we were in each other. So this is going to sound incredibly traditional. and probably ridiculous to a lot of people now. I knew that probably we shouldn't be married anymore,

but I also didn't want to change Hannah's life. So I kind of made a pack in my mind that I would just raise Hannah. So Richard sort of just kind of fell into my lap. How did you guys meet originally? Oh, my God. It's such a funny story. I was his real estate agent. Wow.

And he was dating like a 26-year-old. And I remember thinking of time, what is that older man doing with such a young girl? It's kind of gross. You know what I mean? But I do want to. And I ended up, he ended up renting the townhouse that I ended up living it. Wow.

And after he rented it, like seven months later, he called my firm Mercedes-Burk, which was, I don't even know if it's still open. It was a small boutique firm. And I had an Italian partner that we were just ran. We ran in New York. We were like the glamorous blondes that were selling and renting apartments. It was a great job. And he called and he said, she said to me,

hey, Mr. Metley, Dr. Metley wants to speak to. And I remember turning to her thinking, he can't take the commission back, right? Because I've already spent that. I mean, that's so God. Because I'm thinking, why is this guy calling? And he called to invite me to the Time Warner party, but I was already going with someone else. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Did you tell him that in the moment? No. I actually, I don't know. I think about this all the time. I said, how dare you ask me out on the same day is the Time Warner Party? Who do you know I have a child? Who do you think? And then I ended up running into him at the party.

No way. And then after that, it was fast and furious. But, you know, my Ralph, Hannah's dad headed off with him. He just handled it correctly. He didn't try to replace or overwhelm. He allowed, Richard was slow and steady. I love hearing, like, the way you kind of navigated, the co-parenting. But, you know, it was really crucial to me that anyone that I brought into a Hannah's life, most importantly,

but also her father's life. He had to become part of the family because I don't believe you stop being a family because you'd get divorced. I really died. Did you guys the three or the four of you ever do dinners and stuff? More than that. Ralph was the first person I called when I found out Richard was dying. And he rushed to the hospital and never left my side.

That's amazing of him. And I'm really sorry for your loss. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, it's been 14 years. I don't think I was writing yesterday about grief because I'm writing another book. I know a thing or two about a thing or two. And I was giving sort of steps.

I was listening to this monk speak about it recently, and he said, it's sad that people don't realize grief and love are just, they live in all of us. But one you don't really want to accept and the other one you want to accept so much. But all of us are going to experience some form of grief. So you have to get a comfort level with it. Yeah. I mean, the grief thing is something I've, you know, when my brother had passed away, it was almost five years ago now.

Terrible, Carl. But I, yeah, thank you. And it's been like a wave that some days I don't think about it. But you don't think that ever goes away. Never really goes away. It never goes. What happens is, is you know, it carries you at first and you can't get it. You know, it's like a, I said someone that's like wearing a wetsuit.

You just can't get out of it. And then all of a sudden you kind of, you get, you lighten from it. You get, your light continues on. But there are always those moments. Yeah. I had one yesterday when Peter Gabriel was, it was out of the restaurant, he was singing Book of Love. Yeah.

We played that at my wedding. And I had a moment where I was like, I miss Richard. You know what I mean? But that's manageable now. Does music kind of hit a note sometimes with memories of him or things? Very much. And I'm the same way with my brother.

Guns and Roses was a band he loved. And I was at a barbershop in the East Village where I normally get my hair cut, which, by the way, I have to shout this out. Anderson Cooper also goes there. And I saw Andy recently, and I was like, I think Silver Fox is at my barbershop. He's like, no, Anderson goes to this random little East Village place. That's believable. I go there because it's a nice spot.

It's very clean. simple, but they play classic rock. I was there. Which I love. There maybe about eight, nine months ago, I'm sitting in the chair getting a haircut. Sweet child of mine comes on. Song ends, starts playing again. See, I don't think that's random. It's crazy. And I'm sitting there, I go, that's my brother. That's my brother. And I think you have to, the thing I think that's the gift of, if there is a gift of losing someone you love is like, you realize, like, they really are never gone. Exactly. Like, I think I talk to Richard maybe even more than when we were married because I access him as I need him.

Well, my question is really like, I mean, what are things about him or characteristics of him that you carry? Richard had a beautiful way of not saying much, but saying everything. And I think he was the first person that really showed me that he just always did the right thing if people were looking, weren't looking. He didn't speak of it. He didn't shout out about it. When we had Richard's funeral at Brick Church, the people that showed up, that they

that I had no idea, the dry cleaner delivery guy, the parking guy, that all of them cry. He just had this beautiful way of a, he said to me something one day that always said, he said, if you listen, everybody has a story to tell, but it's up to you to listen. Everybody's got a story during the mentally. Those are great qualities. Yes. Sometimes like doing the right things. If you listen, everybody has a story.

And it is true. Start a conversation with a random person. All of a sudden, you're like, wow. Oh, yeah. You get out of your own head. and realize, you know, you're not the only living, breathing thing. That's it. And they have a whole life when they leave you. Because, you know, we have a tendency to be narcissistic and think, well, you know, you'd have a life besides when now you

leave me, you know, my life, my life, right? And you realize people have homes and children and successes and losses. And it's just, it's a really beautiful way to just connect. Yeah. How is your relationship changed with grief over time? I think grief is just, now here's an interesting thing. I think for the first 10 years after Richard was gone, I got very closed off and sort of like, I can't, I'm not going to be hurt again. I don't want anyone to hurt me again. I don't want to feel that. I don't want to cry about stuff.

I want to just succeed and work out. I got into a very warrior mentality. I remember one of my first bravo cons. You were doing your Dorinda like dance aerobic. You were unbelievable. It was incredible. Like you had the onesie, you know, my God. That was, we were Francis dancing.

You had the big socks. And I was like, we did it with Andy. Yes, you were on stage dance. I felt like that was your workout era. Yes. And like fitness era. Well, I was a huge aerobics teacher. That's right.

Sorry to cut you on. It gave me extra income. And I think now that time is past, I feel like less, I feel more open. I was even saying the other day and I can't believe I'm going to say this on this podcast because I haven't said anywhere. I'm really starting to date again. But I'm open to. I'm not dating to get married. I'm not dating to make a statement.

I'm just like, I think I'm going to go. go on dates. Like, I feel like I could share part of my love again safely. Yeah. Well, I mean, it takes, it's up to you and whatever you're comfortable with. And there's no real program or like kind of playbook. Well, there's not, but you have to be ready for it. Because quite frankly, anyone before that, I was like, you're not sleeping at my house. You're not coming into my territory. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. You're not. And now I'm like, like, I literally, I broke up with someone I quite liked about three years ago because he asked me too much, what are you doing this weekend? I was like, you got to stop with what are you doing this weekend. Like, it's really none of your business. You know, that's a true story. I was like, I couldn't take

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your family, and your dreams. Get financial advice that puts you at the center. Find your advisor at IG Private Wealth.com. Something I, like, think about is, I mean, you've shared, you know, your story on the show, on Real Housewives in New York a lot. The topic of Richard's been covered over and over and over. Over and over. Yeah, like, and this is, I'm glad you mentioned, like, the over and over. I mean, my brother's passing was a big part of Summer House.

There's a period of time where I almost felt like people got tired of hearing about it or I, like, maybe that was my own personal feeling, but I was like... I think it's your own personal feeling. I think that anybody that brings something like that on the show, for me, I think, I I think I realize how many people helped. And, you know, those kind of things people don't feel comfortable talking about. So if you don't bring a comfort level to it, you know, who is? Yeah. I mean, that's so like.

I just feel like, you know, we're going to do this new show in Palm Beach. It called The Golden Lives. We're starting in like two weeks. And that, thank you. And I did say to them, you know, I don't want to talk about Richard so much anymore. Not because I don't talk about him with myself and he's still in my life, But because I want people to see what survival and life looks like after you go through all these things and who I am today. Thank you for saying that.

Because I feel sometimes there's an element, you know, I wrote this book and I talk a lot about my brother and people want to know more about it. But after a certain point, it's like I've talked about it and talked about it. And part of me just wants to live my life and embody just overcoming and still trying to stay, you know, honest. I say life is a quilt, you know, and every patch is important. And that patch tends to be a very significant patch. So you can throw on the quilt and still see it, but we don't have to just focus on that patch anymore. I have a lot of different patches going out of bright colored for one.

You know, all kinds of crazy patches. So I want that patch to stay on my quilt. But can we just look at the other patches too? I couldn't agree with you more. Right. I mean, I think sometimes it's in the world we're in, too, with the public and TV part of it, you kind of have these big stories that kind of define certain people.

And for a period of time, I mean, I love my brother to death. And you said something I appreciated, which is helping other people. And I think Richard's story, the way you've handled yourself, my brother, my story, it is helping people. A hundred percent. Which is huge. Because no one likes to talk about those things. It is awkward. It is weird.

Well, that's the thing. I was going to say to you, like, people have thanked me for my brother's story. And part of me, deep down in my body, I'm like, I never wanted that on TV. Yes. And I also think, too, it was what was awkward for me is because people were calling me a widow. And I'm like, why, in a second, I'm 48 years old. Like, I'm too young to be a widow. You know, like, who am I?

Like, so in a weird way, I think it's shaped to define younger women that lose a partner or younger people that you lose a partner because widows are women that have had sort of, I believe, for me, full lives with their partners. And it was not that it's ever time, but like it was a natural progression. Yes. The word widow, I mean, I haven't really thought of it like that. I mean, in a different way, like, I'm an only child, which is weird, like that feeling. Even though I'm not, but I am now.

It's like that weird. I don't want to say that. You are only child of physicality, but, you know, not in the spirit world or whatever we believe in, right? After Richard passed, how are you able to reclaim your life and, like, reclaim who you were? Because I'm sure there was an element of, you're in this relationship. Slowly. Yeah. You know, the first year, I think, was hell and just a lot of, and one.

year I lost Richard and Hannah went to college. So all these identities that I really loved being a mother, being a wife, you know, but they all left and it just was, oh my God, I was just, it was very hard. It was very hard. That's why I'm always so thankful to Bravo kind of coming along and some people did understand how I did it like I think almost two years after Richard died. But it was almost therapeutic for me and it was the first thing that I kind of had that didn't require me to be a mother or a wife or a daughter. And I just got to be Derinda. To be you. And so in that way, I'll always be thankful to Bravo because it was a very therapeutic thing for me.

And listen, sometimes they did a good job. Sometimes they did a horrible job. But I was always mean. It was who I was authentically at that time. Yeah. And I took the audience on that journey with me. But listen, I didn't, not only was I very sad and grateful after Richard passed and things, I was angry. Yeah, the resentment.

Because I had worked so hard to have this beautiful life. And in my mind was deserving. and how could whoever, for me, how could God do this to me? I was never a bad prayer. I followed the rules. I did the right things. I was a good mother. I was a good daughter.

And this is what you do to me at 48. And I did go through a little bit of that. And I appreciate your honesty because I think that's not. My mom with my brother has been angry. Yes. And I'm like, it's hard when you hear your mom talk like that. But, you know, I see it sometimes. And she's grieving.

I think anger is a huge part of grieving that people don't talk about because you're just supposed to be weeping and sadness and walking on in it and just, vulnerable and stuff. I was pissed. I was like, this is fucking bullshit. I was. Yeah, no. And I was one of the people that really was the rule follower. Like I remember when, I think it was Andy said to me at the beginning of Housewives, if you have any skeletons in your closet, they're all going to come out. I'm like, I really don't. We weren't allowed to have skeletons in our closet in my house. Like, you were straight and narrow. You were a rule follower. You know, you didn't do things to upset your parents.

I mean, I'm curious, like, you mentioned the Housewives in like that time period when Richard had passed. Can you talk to me a little bit about just the cast and how they rallied around you or how they showed up for you? I always talk about this. You know, obviously I was friends with Ramona long before I went on the show as I am with was with the other girls. But I never remember Richard died like mid-November. And we all know that Ramona's birthday is mid-November because the whole world knows. And Romana's birthday is. It goes on.

It used to go on for like a week. And she called me up and she said, I know that you're going through something very bad. And I know you're sad. I like your amount of voice, by the way. She was part of, you know, obviously kind of helping me through this terrible time of losing Richard. But I think you should put on a nice dress and you should come to my birthday. One hour will come. You'll see some people.

You'll maybe have a drink. And then you can go back home. Just I insist. And I thought to myself, I felt two things. I thought, is this disrespectful? Like, and then the other part of me was like, I just didn't know if I had the ability did not how to communicate at that level because you're kind of in this other level where unless you're communicating with like grief you don't really have yeah you don't know what else to

say yeah you're like yeah you're like a robot people like how are you doing you're like what you're like excuse me yeah what you mean how am i doing not well you know i mean so you kind of feel a need to somewhat isolate like taking a walk and brushing my teeth my mother was there my mother would call me and be like did you brush your teeth did you wake up did you go for a walk today i'm like i did and that was Sometimes enough. Yeah. Well, did you ever have like, you're sad, you're angry? Did you isolate because you didn't want to bring that negativity to other people?

Well, I just, you know, I consider myself quite smart and quite like, I consume things at a level. And I don't, I've never had a lot of space for like bullshit. You know, I'm kind of, I don't have a lot of gray, which is something I try to work on because it's not always works to my favor. But I just didn't have any talent, like literally like a week after or maybe even like, last after Richard died, I was walking down Park Avenue, and the woman goes, oh my God, I know I heard about Richard, how are you doing? And I'm thinking to myself, what a stupid question. Yeah, horrible question. Like, tell me how to answer that. Do you want me to answer fake? Do you want me to give you platitudes? Do you want me to make you feel better? Yeah. And I said, it's great.

Because I couldn't. Yeah, like, what do you say? Like, just say nothing. Yeah. So instead of being that person, I just felt like I had to be careful. about the energy I had to surround myself. Because death makes people awkward. 100%. It makes them so weird and awkward. Why do you think that is? Because none of us think we're really going to die.

We really are so narcissistic and conceited that it still surprises people. My mother said it perfectly one day. We have a huge Catholic cemetery. I remember they goes, look at that over there. Look at all those people. Yep, one day we'll all be joining them. Hi, people. Yep, we'll be there.

Hopefully not. soon, but yes, we will. But she's so right. Right. No, it's like, it's definitely awkward, but it's like the elephant in the room that nobody really wants to talk about. No one wants, no, we're all going to live forever. I like to think that. Yeah, well, and there in lies the problem. Yeah. So when people talk about this thing called death, it's almost like the plague. No, dang, not bad. Yeah. Watch out. I don't want to catch that. Yeah, I mean, I've, I've struggled at times talking about some of the grief. Yes. Because also hearing other people's stories, too, like, it reminds you of your own. And as much as we help other people sometimes, like last night,

I was at an event with Kyle and a few women that were there had lost sons to overdose. And I give them a hug and I talk to them. But then I get home last night. I'm like, I just feel terrible. Like I'm glad I made the connection, but. That's overwhelming. Have you had women that have met you? I'm like, listen, I lost my husband too.

All the time. Husband, children, sisters. How do you navigate that? I listen. Yeah. Because I think when you try to give too much advice, it can work against you. Sometimes I just listen. And I say, tell me about that person.

how long ago did it happen? I promise you it's going to get better. It will never go away. See, that's the thing. I think we could teach anyone or everyone or teach people. There is no buzzard or time period. Like it really doesn't ever go away. But that's okay.

Because you grow bigger than it. What starts off is huge and overwhelms you. It takes its place in your body. Like your heart or your kidney or this, and you know it's there. But it doesn't go away. Like, I don't think there's going to be a day. I'll probably be 90 years old if I live that long.

And listening to Peter Gabriel's Book of Love thinking, I wish you, Richard, you know what I mean? And love is forever. Like, I know it sounds so corny. And people say, but love is really an energy that's forever. Once you sort of have love, even if it's in a first boyfriend, it lingers. It's in essence.

It does. That's forever. It's a beautiful thing. I want to jump into more of the TV world. Okay, go ahead. And I know you watch Summerhouse. I do, and I love it. And boys are the salacious, too soon.

Thank God it's not you. I literally was like, Carl, someone else came down from the cross and now someone that's climbed up the cross and you know. You and I can relate to that so well because it's like insert, you know, the villain or the bad guy or whoever's making mistakes. I guess like something I've, you know, reflected on is watching the show back over the years. How did you have like just navigated watching yourself back? Do you watch yourself back? No.

You don't. I appreciate the honesty. I didn't. And I would have to watch it before reunions. Yeah, of course. And I would dread it. Yeah, it's hard. Because I did watch it back the first season because I was just curious.

Yeah, you're new. I said it was narcissism. I want to see myself on TV. I used to drink and do drugs while watching our show season one. Oh. Because I just was like, I'm insane. Yeah. And then like.

Then I just thought it's too disruptive. And if you watch it, it's all you. Like, Hannah would say to me all the time, is there anything else we can talk about except housewives? It just becomes, it eats every conversation. And I'd be like, can I have macaron and cheese for lunch? I'm like, what do you think about that housewrites? You know, so I had to really like, you know. How did you protect Hannah through some of, or did you kind of just open?

Hannah never engaged in it. Like, Hannah still to this day, I know she knows I'm on housewives. I think what's beautiful about your daughter. I mean, she seems as, you know, has an amazing career, building a career. She's very successful and smart. There's a lot of Bravo housewives who've had their daughters are like kind of more. or looped in. Oh, no.

She's been on her own path. Hannah allowed, she would do one scene a season, that's it. She'd pop in, do it for me, but then that was it. And just go back to it.

So our worlds have always been kept, I'm just mom to her. Yeah. But Hannah always say to me, you know, I know everyone loves you for the housewives, but, you know, they know that, you know,

you're a lot more than that. I know, you've been around a long time. You lived in London. You went home. You do you have businesses and stuff. So Hannah thinks about me macroly, whereas this world thinks about me microly. You know, remember, I started Housewives when I was like 50.

Wow. So there was a whole life before Housewives. You know, I bake the cake. That was just kind of the frosty, you know. I like the cake reference. I struggle. I want to tell you guys about a podcast that is near and dear to my heart. And I cannot believe it already came out a year ago.

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or how did you relive some of those difficult moments? I think you're always, you know, you have to put them as just a learning curve and where you were, but it's never easy. Yeah, I think the learning is. It's ever neat easy. And the thing is, you know, you'll even see it one day when you're no longer doing Summer House.

You just were that person in that moment. And you were your authentic self. But, you know, you evolve from it. And I, like, I can't imagine now screaming, I tell you how I'm doing that well, bitch. You know what I mean? But obviously it brought a lot of joy to people or clip or your vagina is a holl and I mean, these were terrible things. But they were cult classics that worked at the time, right?

Yeah. And, you know, you kind of just have to... Embrace it. Embrace it and laugh as the world laughs with you. I think the laughter over difficult or things that you're not proud of. I mean... I mean, people still yell out to me on the streets, clip. You know what I mean?

So I'm like, okay, the macro outweighs the micro. Yeah. Which, by the way, not well... How am I doing? Not well, bitch is easily one of the funniest and coolest... Yeah. To Candace Bushnell, no. less. Classic. Classic. I still sometimes think of it. I'm just like, how am I doing? I don't know.

And, you know, when you're a great, when you're great, when you're a good Bravo Liberty, you really do forget the cameras there and you really are authentic and you are really letting them into your life. Now that may horrify people, you know, and it may. But we were just all our real authentic selves. And I don't think people, you know, people still miss us. Also, to, we always think as the individual that we're so much more important than we are, because at the end of the day, you just get clumped into a whole bunch of poorly behaved people, right? Totally. It's like one big circus. Do you know so weird? I can't even imagine you drinking anymore.

Isn't that so weird? When you were talking about it, I can't even visualize you drinking anymore. And I can't, like, it's, I've, West and Jesse, they've never seen me drinking, ever. That's crazy, right? And West hears all these stories, and he's like, I kind of want to meet that. guy and I'm like, no, you know. I was a nightmare and I was a lot to deal with. And what's interesting is some people will ask me, how do you film the show while not drinking? But I said, like, when I first told Kyle and Amanda and others that I was like getting sober, they were like,

thank God kind of thing. And did you date Lindsay through that? I did. So we were friends, very close friends. And then I, you know, my brother had passed and then I took some time to kind figure my thing out. I got sober. And her and I started dating about eight months into the sobriety journey. However, at that point, we were very close friends. And I was feeling in a weird way, if I'm really being honest, looking back, I kind of, I got sober. And then I kind of traded drugs and alcohol for like this love and this amazing attention. And we had this bond that I think you still do have a bond.

We do. You know what I mean? It just, again, that doesn't go away. No, it doesn't. I like where we are now. It's friendly. It's cordial. Well, I think she's in a great place too.

Which has been awesome to see. I think her having a baby really changed. She just seems happy. Exactly. She's lighter. She's happier. And it's cool to see her thrive. Like I'm really genuinely happy that she seems to be doing so well.

But yeah, it's been like an interesting kind of since the breakup and kind of moving on. I finally this past year have started to really feel like myself, which is what I think some people. Once you decided to become sober, did you ever look back or you just did it? And that was it? Is it? Does that how, like, do you glitch or does it? Yeah, I glitch. For sure. I knew around 2019 that I needed to get some support. I went to a Tony Robbins seminar in

West Palm Beach, Florida. Oh, God. I've gone to those before. It was a date with destiny. It was called. Yeah. That one was a big one. A big one. Yeah. And I'll never forget going down. I didn't drink for like the seven days I was there. Had a very powerful experience. I came back to New York. I lived in Soho at the time. First day back in my apartment. I'm sitting on my couch. Friend texts me. He's at the bar down. Spring Lounge in Soho. I'd go to spring lounge and within an hour I'm ordering drugs and drinking all day and like right back to where I was. So my, I knew I needed to get support. I knew I didn't know how to get it. I didn't want to admit that I'm an alcoholic or drug addict. But over time, it just was like all the signs pointing that way. But I really did hit rock bottom. It was after my brother had passed away. Yeah, well,

I think that more people are like that than we think. Yeah. Well, I'm curious like something maybe you've experienced, like with what really drove me to drink and use more after my brother had passed. was the notion that this is going to be an episode of television. And between you and me and all of our listeners, I mean, I called some people at Bravo the last day I drank and used because I was so scared and angry and sad because I couldn't understand how my brother passing was going to be a moment on a Summer House episode.

I just couldn't handle all of that. And then also I wasn't sober. I mean, Richard Passed before I was on the show. So I don't know how you did that. Yeah. That's a lot. Like I have to... You had some time to come.

Yeah, I had time and I allowed myself to be in a place. I mean, also, too, that's your brother. You know, I mean, that's really, I don't know how you. Honestly, I don't know how you did it. Well, I think part of it, and you said it earlier, which I really relate to, which is helping other people. And it sounded like Richard at his core was just an incredibly kind and generous man. He would take a showup's back for the janitor or the executive of J.P. Morgan, you know.

I also felt like, I feel like, too, you know, because it happened before, was on Bravo that I had a time to make a choice to bring it on or not, whereas you were right in the midst of it. Well, that's kind of what's interesting. And I almost feel like people are like, which I really, I guess just out of stupidity, I didn't put two and two together, you know? Yeah, well, people thanked me early on. And I was like, for what?

I don't want this on. And, but yeah. What does your mother think when she saw that? Was that hard? Did you have a moment where you're like, oh, my God, my mother's going to see. Yeah. And I, it's interesting because my mom was the one who called me that morning. And it was crazy as like I went home to see my parents for the funeral.

And my mom and my dad had been separated. I drove home to my childhood house that we grew up in. My mom and my dad were standing in the front yard. And they hadn't been like cool since the divorce. But that day, the three of us stood in my front yard where I grew up where my brother and I... Well, because everything changed. And it all came... It was this weird, like, Band-Aid that ripped off and then we like bonded again.

And we were like family again. Isn't it amazing how that happens? But it was crazy how it all came together. but you ask about my mom. A split second. It is. But my mom is so, she has resentment and anger about the whole situation because my mom has taken on my brother.

My brother has a daughter. He has two children. Sorry, three children. His eldest daughter, my mom has full custody and takes care of. My niece, Vera is with my mom. So there's. How old is she? She's 17.

Oh, my God. And she looks like me and my brother and my, like she looks like one of us. But you know what? Maybe that's such a saving grace. Well, it is beautiful. And I think she has to get up and she has part of her father. It gives her a purpose. And also she's, I think me getting sober is a gift that I've given her in a weird way.

And I don't call her. I used to call her at 6 in the morning coming home from a rave in Brooklyn saying wild things. Now I don't call her like that. I call her with good things. I show up for her. So the sprydy part of. Your mom's been through it. She's an amazing woman.

She's really. Well, you could tell that when I met her. You're right? Yeah, she loved you. She still talks about you because you were so kind to her. You know, it's just amazing what women go through, really mothers and stuff, what they do. Women are resilient and strong as hell. And they just get up and they just keep it moving.

Look at that. She loses the son and then raises the son's daughter. Yeah. It's really crazy and all of it is, you know, my brother's daughter is being really well taken care of. My mom always would joke when we were younger. She wanted a girl. So she kind of got that in a weird way. But it also put a little pressure on me now because I want to get married.

I do want to have a family. And my mom's getting older. I want to give her grandkids. And it's like I feel a slight pressure. I'm doing well. Yeah, don't worry about that. Your mother just wants you to be happy. Yeah.

Right? That's all we want for kids. A bad marriage is far worse than like staying unmarried. I will say early on watching Summerhouse, my mom would watch early seasons. She was disappointed in my behavior and like really, you know, the fighting. Well, you know what's so odd is you don't think about your mother seeing you in that state ever because, you know, those are our hidden states. Totally. And I wasn't ready for them.

We call our mothers we're at her best. Hi, Mom. You had everything's great. Yeah, I got straight A's. Got 100% on the test. Oh, you did great. Good, good, good. Do you need no, no, no, no, you know.

She would say this exactly verbatim. I used to throw things at the TV because she would see me on the show and really struggle with kind of how my behavior was. She also is very, I think, critical also of just what she was watching. I'm curious from like just your own perspective on the show. Did you have people in your life critical of you that? Very much. How did you have hands?

know that. Probably defensively at the time. I was defensive as hell. Yeah, I didn't mind it because there was nothing I could do about it. Yeah. And I, you know, I just felt like it was another business and you're not going to tell me what to do when I did it. What do you want? You know, all the same things. Yeah. And to be honest with you, I probably act the same way today. Because, you know, I was like, this is my decision. Yeah. And, you know, I felt like at the end of the day, the good outweighed the bad. Yeah. And it got me to another place. Yeah. And, you know, it built a whole new life for me that I probably wouldn't have had. I mean, I often think if I hadn't joined Bravo,

listen, I'd have a beautiful life in things, but I'd be a totally different person. I mean, do you have any regrets about joining Bravo? No, but I'm not a regretful person. I just don't have a time for regretting. I think everything you do, good, bad, ugly, happy, sad, they're all tools in your toolbox. All of them.

Some are bigger, some are smaller, some you don't use anymore. Some are rusty. Some you should probably throw away, but they're all tools in your toolbox. You know what I mean? You said something that sounds like I relate. to, which is more about the show can teach you things about yourself. A hundred percent.

And I think if you have that mentality, I mean, look at the woman you've evolved to and all the things you've done in your life. But being able to receive that feedback and criticism and look at yourself in the mirror. It's good. It's really healthy. I mean, even just physically looking at yourself, you're like, what? Like, you know what I mean? That's jarring to begin here.

Oh, my God. Like drunk. And then when, you know, it kind of, it's a great way to check yourself, you know, Listen, we just did the ultimate girls trip at Bluestone Manor. We did the finale at Blue Stone. Sweet. Which was unbelievable. Shout out to Blue Stone. Which was the most bizarre thing to come down my stairwell and see Porsche, then Luann, then Kyle Richards,

then, you know, Sutton Stratt, then Teresa, all over Bose, all these people all wandering around my house at Bluestamana. I mean, that was a surreal moment, right? There's only 168 housewives in the world. Wow. Think about that. We're like unicorns. And to each, each of us have this relatable experience that we, and we have a sister.

Like, we can talk to each other. You can talk to me about this because we have a secret world. Yeah, we know. And as much as it's hard and sometimes it's shitty. And sometimes you're thinking, why in God's name are doing this, very few people ever get to even tap into this incredible world. And I love that a lot of the women over the years have seemed to really build strong. Very strong. And I think that's something I'm proud of with Summerhouse is like, you know, we're real friends.

And like people witness that friendship and your bonds with Luann and you've had incredible friendships. A hundred percent, Luanne and Ramon and all of them. I mean, you know, and I think that is one of the things that they've got to be careful with going forward. Because if you don't have people that are really friends and have some sort of history with each other, we can never forget that the audience is smart. They're so smart. So smart. And I always say with men, with cooking, with host,

with TV, give them what they want. Just give them what they want. Wait, one more time. Men hosting and TV? Men hosting, TV. You know, it's very, the thing is, if you just give them what they want. You know, Hannah always says, you always serve lasagna on Friday nights when you arrive at Bluestone Manor. I'm like, and everybody's always happy.

Just give them what they want. I always say it's women, you know, men like you to put on a pretty nightgown for five minutes before you have sex. Give them what they want. What's the big deal? You'll get more in the end. Play the game. How did it feel with, you know, you're talking about doing the Ultimate Girls trip. You've talked about this golden spinoff, or golden life, which is exciting.

Talk me a little bit about a couple years ago. Like, how did it feel to have that Housewives chapter kind of closed? Did you feel like it was all over? Oh, my God, I was devastated. I cried my eyes out. When Andy called me, because Andy, you know, called me directly, I was just, first of all, I was, maybe it was narcissism, but I'm going to say this. People are going to like, but I thought I was such a great house.

Like, they'll never get rid of me. I will go, I will die. I will die on this hill. You are one of the greatest housewives. Oh, that's nice. I will die on the side. No, but literally I was like, you know, they're not going to get rid of me. I'm like, you know.

To get rid of me? I'm the show. I'm like an NFL up the top NFL, the job. I'm the top brainy. I'm a first round draft pick. I really did think like that. So I was really amazed because I felt like, although I didn't have a great season before, I just thought, well, so many people don't have great seasons.

People have far worse seasons. and we're going into COVID. And I had actually, it's really interesting, I would have been talking to a lot of the producers and showrunners, and I was going to kind of take over, have them take over Bluestone Manor. It's just to get through this COVID season. And I was building a...

Oh, yeah, it'd give you almost like a summer house. You could like stay in the house, quarantine. We'll just, you know, stay at Bluestone Manor more. And we'll stay at Ramona's born. I was building a Bluestone Manor, gingerbread house that was huge and we were going to be... You know, you start selling. Yeah, you want to help.

So when he called, I had no idea. So you're thinking it might be about, like film, I don't. I'm thinking, yeah, not that. You know, not that. Yeah. And when he tells me that I'm put on pause, the famous pause. Yes, the old pause. I was dumbfounded. I first thought to be brutally honest, you idiots. The world is going through such a terrible time right now. We were in the midst of COVID. People are already suffering from a lot of change. Like, why would you change anything? And a lot of people watch Bravo for escapism. That's what I mean. So why now? Yeah. You know, do it and it just didn't make sense to me, you know.

But then I got off the phone, and it was strange the day before Simon and Schuster had contacted me about doing a, how energy works, God works, the world works. When one door closes. It's true. And they just contacted me about doing a book. And I thought, oh, my God, how am I to write this book while I'm filming in the show? Doing the show. I was like, oops. Now we're going to go.

Well, it looks like I'm writing a book. So I pivoted, but I'm a good pivoter. And I just, I refuse to talk about it. In fact, I got off the phone with Andy, and he was like, you know, and of course you're going to be back. And this would be just a period. I was like, yeah, don't worry about it. Call me when you need me. Peace out.

I just, and then I was quite happy about this when the world found out, they were furious. They were furious. And I remember at one point, someone from NBC called me and said, can you just make a statement? Oh, wow. I said, nope. I don't work for Bravo anymore. We're out. On your own.

And then, you know, Andy went on and talking about the radio and stuff. Because I think, I don't think they really thought there'd be the reaction there was. Yeah. Well, you guys were just, I mean, so beloved. Yeah. I think iconic for not only New York, but Bravo. Yes. You told it.

And I love all the other. Well, I went off first on season 12 and then season 13 was the year before they rebooted it. Yeah. I think that it just, I just started writing my book. And then you got to remember, six months later, they had me do Ultimate Girls trip at Bluestone Manor. I did traders. So it's funny. Shout out to you on the traders.

Yeah. Yes, I did traders twice. We loved you on the traders. So I think that, you know, they never really let me go. They just kind of put me on the shelf and, you know, they can't, I truly am Elf on the shelf. Yeah, your chapter's really never closed. It just is kind of materializing.

When could we expect to see the Golden Show, Golden Girls Show? That's a good... That's good. We're starting next month. So I don't know, how long, what do you think? Third quarter next year? Probably next year. Yeah.

I think people are going to love it. Listen, people will turn into it just, I'm saying for you. turn into it just out of curiosity. One question I have for you, and it's something I ask, oh, my guess. So my podcast is called More Life, and it's something I used to say back on season two of Summerhouse, do you have a saying or some sort of mantra that you kind of like to embody? I would say my mantra is keep moving. I like that.

Just keep moving. No matter what, just keep moving. Motion to me is healing. I agree with that. I think anybody who's listening or watching, you're absolutely right. I mean, the more you kind of stay in place, the more you kind of overthink. Motion is healing. You get complacent.

And I thank my mother, Diane St. Collar, for that because she would say to me every morning after Richard died, did you wash your face? Did you make your bed? No, go for a walk. And I, you know, that's all she needed to say to me. And I would get up and begrudgingly do it. And it does always make you feel better. One of my favorite mantras is making your bed in the morning.

First thing I do every day. See, Durinda Medley, makes her bed in the morning. Let's go. I have a routine. I get up. I brush my teeth. As soon as I get out, obviously take a pee. Brush my teeth.

Come out, make my bed. I love it. I love it. And I do not get back in my bed again until, but I take a nap every day of my life. I respect that. Every day I take. But I wake up about 5.30 every morning.

I literally do all that, say my prayers and start my day. So I'm tired in the afternoon. Because believe it or not, I'm not that young. It's the most healthy thing you can do. And if you're going to take a nap, don't lay around. the couch and do it sloppy. Take your, you know, put on little pajamas. Yeah, I get like

cozy and put on a sound machine. I take it. I don't ever, because another thing I can't stand when I see, it's a real pet peevement, I hate when I see people wear day clothes on their bed. It's like, I'm like, you definitely watch Summer House. You will be in a cap and then you'll go lay in your bed.

Like, my bed doesn't have any of that. And I have a cover lit. So if I do sit on my bed, that comes off at night. But I'm really get freaked out. I have, I have, I have house shoes. I don't like to bring the outside into the inside for energy reasons and for dirt reason. So if you came to the summer house, you might have a panic attack. I do not lay in my bed with my clothes on. I mean, a lot of our castmates are all about getting into bed with your clothes on and your shoes on. No, I don't do that. Unbelievable. So what is giving you more life right now?

Is it Hannah? Is it the new show? What's giving you more life? Do you know what's giving me more life right now is just, I was thinking, this is such a beautiful time in my life because I just have freedom. Yeah. Like, especially for a woman, like to be able to say that I'm free, I can travel where I want, I have a little bit of financial freedom. I feel good about where I am. Thank God I'm healthy.

I just have freedom. Freedom is a really incredible thing. Yeah. I mean, you look just, you're glowing, you have such a great energy, and I feel like you deserve all of this freedom that you've worked hard and had to pay the price for. That's right. I feel like I paid through. I did it right. I've honored who I had to honor. And now I just think, I look forward to, there's just a beautiful peace and freedom. Yeah. Well, it's nice to see that. I think with someone who's been through so much, you know, ups and downs and your authenticity is very contagious. Well, thank you, Carl for having me. Now I have to go back to the city and interview Lisa Renna.

Oh, shout out to Lisa. Lisa. What's next? Just so our audience, so you've got, you know, you got this show spinning. Oh my God, what's not? Are you still doing like aerobics? Are you doing your radio show? I'm DJing, as you know. Okay. Let's plug your stuff. Lady Medley.

I always say to Kyle, do you have to worry about me because I'm an early DJer. Like when people say to me, do you want to do seven to nine? I'm like, yes. A. I'm done that too. I love it. She's my morning DJ. I will DJ before 11, but someone from somewhere called my agent and said,

could you end up coming DJ in Brooklyn? And it's that crazy place where they do the circus stuff. Oh, um, House of Yes. House of Yes, would love to have Dorinda DJ. She'll start at 12 and end at 2. I'm like, what are they crazy? Like, I don't even want to see what's out there between 12 and 2. I don't like that are your niche like morning DJ like things.

Yes. You could do the coffee shops, the rate. No, I do. I do. I love evening. I love early evening. And then I do love a morning DJ. But I just love it because my background's aerobics.

And I was the great mixtape queen. That's how I made a lot of extra money in the 80s and 90s. I sold mixed tapes. By the dozens. We could do a whole other podcast about your mix. My mixtapes were amazing. I was born in 85, so I do remember the cassettes and CDs and all that. I played one the other day, and it literally started, I could see myself,

Everybody Dance Now! And I could see myself with the thong, leotard, the leggings, the neon. The socks. And walking out and being like, come on, everybody! I would pay to take another, to take your during the class. Oh, my classes were packed. And you know who used to come to my, if the vertical club, Ramona Sinker? Wow.

That's old school, right? That's old school. Your Ramona voice, by the way, is. So I have that. I'm finishing my book, I know a thing or two about a thing too. So this will be your second book. My second book with Simon and Schuster. Yeah, my books with Simon and Schuster and Rising.

The best. Love them. Congrats on the second one. I have the golden life I'm doing. I'm doing a lot of brain. branding stuff with Bluestone Manor. Love that. Which is really great.

Do you think you'd ever leave New York City and just go full time to Bluestone? You know, to tell you the truth, my dream, if I had my dream, dream and I weren't so afraid of the isolation, I'd move to Bluestone Manor. My dream, I'd get like four dogs, a black cat, a miniature donkey, a fainting goat and chickens. I love it. I would just become that crazy person. wandering around in hippie clothes and just hang. And I want to be the person that lets their miniature donkey come into their kitchen.

I would love a miniature donkey. I'll come and raise it with you. But then I'm afraid I'm going to get lonely or crazy. Like I, because, you know, I have a tendency for both. Because, you know, I could go either way because I've got such a, you know, wacky personality that I could become that weird person. Yeah, I think you got to embrace it.

I don't know. Maybe we'll do a summer house goes to Bluestone man. Oh, well, that would be incredible. Kyle can DJ with you. Oh, well, that would be. That would be, that would be, that would be epic. That would be up. And by the way, you're one of my favorite follows on Instagram because you post early in the morning. And I like people that post it like 8 a.m, 9 a.m. Because you can just tell you're alive and you're awake. I face it six. I post that early. Followed Durinda, if you guys haven't had a chance.

Followed it during the medley. And I'm on TikTok, which does quite well. I've seen your TikTok. Who would have thought that I do okay on TikTok? I'm not surprised. During the Medley, NYC. People love you. People love you. And I love you. I love you too, Carl. Thank you for having me. And by the way, you have your place is unbelievable. Thank you. I mean, if anyone gets a chance to come, they should come. I love the neighborhood. I love the place. I love the way it looks. I had a delicious drinks here. So why don't we do an event when I come and DJ with Kyle?

Let's do it. I mean, he's like the real deal. I'm more like fun DJ. No, we'd love to have you. It would be amazing to have you come in and do. They really are amazing. They're really good drinks. And by the way, I've never had anything mushroom before.

So I actually called Annie and said, am I going to like... No. These are all healthy mushrooms. Nothing psychedelic. I said, if I have this drink tomorrow morning, am I going to be able to work for the rest of the day? She's like, no, no, it's not that. Dorinda was up at Bluestone, painting and dancing.

Well, I have done that before, too, but again, not on camera. Not on camera. Well, I appreciate you coming in. You were one of my favorites, and I really, really just enjoyed having you here today. And now off I go back to New York. Now we're going to send you back to Park Avenue in New York City. Yay! But thank you for making the trip to Brooklyn.

We made it nice. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you to Dorinda Medley. She's incredible. I love her. Thank you guys for hanging with me on More Life. We're going to get Dorinda back in here to DJ at Softbar very soon. You can check us out wherever you get your podcast, Apple, YouTube, Spotify. Check us out next week on a new episode of More Life with Carl Radke here in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, at Soft Bar. Cheers.

More Life is produced by Annie Siegel and executive produced by Adam Reynolds and Denham Pictures. This episode was directed by Annie Segal, edited by Mike U.R.T. and recorded at softbar studios in Brooklyn, New York. More Life is a production of Sony Music Entertainment. From Sony, our executive producers are Chris Skinner and Joanna Clay. Original music by Function Adams. Set designed by Michael Ignacio. Publicity by Caitlin Healy.

Additional support from Abby Sharp. Special thanks to Allison Shano and Joanna Orland. New episodes drop every Tuesday. We'll see you next time.