More Money Podcast - 195 Empowered Entrepreneurs Empower Entrepreneurs - Devon Fiddler, Founder of SheNative

Episode Date: April 25, 2019

For this episode of the podcast, I have Devon Fiddler, founder of SheNative, with me to talk about her journey into entrepreneurship and she not only hopes to grow her business, but to empower more indigenous women to become entrepreneurs too. Devon founded SheNative in 2014, and since then has received numerous awards such as the 2015 CBC Future 40 Under 40 designation, 2015 Start-up Canada Young Entrepreneur of the Year Award, the 2016 YWCA Women of Distinction Award Under 29 category and is a top 5 SheEO Venture of 2016. After experiencing her own personal struggles, and seeing other issues in the indigenous community, after graduating with her B.A. in Aboriginal Public Administration from the University of Saskatchewan, Devon started her own business as a way to empower herself and other indigenous women too. Every person in her company is from the indigenous community, and the products she creates also promote messaging of positivity, confidence and pride in the community. To learn more about SheNative and to support Devon’s business, visit SheNative.com. For full episode show notes, visit https://jessicamoorhouse.com/195 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome to episode 195 of the Mo Money Podcast. I'm your host, Jessica Morehouse, and I'm back for a second episode this week. And I'm so excited to share this interview with you. So I first met Devin Fidler, who was the guest on this episode, back in the fall. She was on a panel discussion at the QuickBooks Connect conference. And I just found her so inspiring. Not only is she a young female entrepreneur, but she is also a young female Aboriginal entrepreneur. And I want to make sure that the people that I have on my show come from a diverse range of backgrounds because everyone has a different story, a different experience. And I think we can all learn so much from people in different situations. And

Devin is that person that I'm so excited to have on the show because she is an amazing story. And I think her brand is quite honestly so inspiring. It's called SheNativeGoods. I love everything that she does. And we get more into specifically what she does. But to get a little bit more about who Devin is, which we talked a little bit about on the show, but here's a little mini bio for you. So Devin Fiddler, she's a Cree woman of Waterhen Lake First Nation, Saskatchewan. She has a BA in Aboriginal Public Administration from the University of Saskatchewan. And she completed numerous leadership, entrepreneurship, and business certificate programs as well. Devin is the chief changemaker of SheNative, a lifestyle brand that elevates Indigenous women, and she's received numerous awards for her work, such as the 2015

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or check out the show notes for this episode. Welcome, Devin, to the show. I'm so excited to have you. I really, really enjoyed your kind of panel discussion you did at the QuickBooks Connect conference. So I nabbed you right away after I'm like, I want you on my show. So thanks so much for agreeing to be on my show. For sure. I'm really happy to be on your show as well. This is really exciting to

be able to bring the voice of the female indigenous entrepreneur. Yeah. And like, they're like, I could just be like out of the loop but I feel like there aren't many of you out there in the world right now yeah I think there's quite a few of us but you have to look extra hard to find them yeah yeah and you kind of have to know somebody to kind of connect to the next person and um so we are a growing population of female indigenous entrepreneurs and there's a lot more up and coming and inspired aspiring entrepreneurs coming out I think amazing why do you think that is that it's becoming more popular or more you know more people in your community are becoming entrepreneurs I think because we are seeing more um role models and once we see one person doing it

then we get inspired and we build off of that so and we connect connect as a community. So the Native Women's Association of Canada has a conference every year called the Aboriginal Women's Business Entrepreneurship Network. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And so every year they bring together about 50 to 100 female indigenous entrepreneurs and it's a really great place to like feel connected and um be able to connect to other women who are going through a lot of the same issues so um there's a big difference too between what an Indigenous woman faces on a regular basis compared to a non-Indigenous person, I guess, or a non-Indigenous woman.

So we have very unique challenges that a lot of people don't understand or cannot relate to. too. So it's really great to be able to be around other women who are going through the same things, who are dealing with deep social issues that, and they understand it. So you don't even have to explain it. So you just get it. They get you. Yeah. So what are some of those struggles? Because obviously I'm not indigenous. So I, the kind of I feel like struggles that I've faced in my life is just being a woman. So on top of that, you know, being indigenous, what are some of those kind of specific and, you know, struggles that, you know, people like me probably may have never encountered or may just not know and not be aware of? Yeah. So there's many issues that we face. So anything from having experienced sexual or physical abuse as a child or in teenage years is so common that a lot of the women that I talk to

have experienced some form of sexual or physical abuse. Right. And it's just pretty sad to see how common it, it actually is within the indigenous community. It's almost like, I don't know anybody who in my circle who hasn't experienced some form. It's pretty crazy how it's like an epidemic almost. Also, the missing and murdered Indigenous women in Canada.

So it seems like somebody, like I've known somebody or I've always, I'm connected to somebody who knows somebody that has gone missing. Wow. And it's just, we're kind of like, it feels like the Indigenous community is almost related in a way. when we hear of somebody going missing or murdered, somehow we're able to like connect to that person because we know somebody, we know the family of that person or that, or they are a direct family member. So actually a couple of years ago, my uncle's girlfriend had passed away.

And it was a situation where I think it was not, it wasn't really taken seriously. The way that she passed and the way things rolled out, like it wasn't really taken seriously. The way that she passed and the way things rolled out, like it wasn't investigated properly. And they, I don't know. I don't really know what happened there, but it happens a lot. Also, so I experienced family violence and I've experienced um childhood traumas as well and so all of those are just so common in the Indigenous community and so even recently um not too long after I started my business, my dad was incarcerated for a charge that we don't know if he's even guilty for it or not, because he's an alcoholic and he doesn't know what happened.

So, you know, things like that happen all the time and it seems like we all know somebody who's been incarcerated or is affected by all the social problems and social issues that are out there in our communities and so I want to be able to provide a platform of inspiration for indigenous women to be able to go out and find their own way and take control of their lives so that their past doesn't affect them or doesn't define who they are. And that's my goal. So to be able to break through these barriers that, and all of the issues that are out there because everybody's facing some sort of issue. Um, I don't know, some, some are worse, but I want to be able to show women that we can break through those issues and through those barriers and break the cycle.

Yeah. That sounds like, yeah, just like hearing that list that you just, I'm like, that's incredible for, you know, to experience one, if not more than one of those, you know, experiences or struggles, and to then find the motivation and the, you know, inspiration to be like, no, I'm not going to let that define me or my future. That sounds like, so what, what sparked you to, to, you know, instead of, cause I feel like, you know, in, in my family, there's definitely, um, you know, there's definitely some, a past there's been, um, some views, not my direct family, but, um, uh, you know, my, uh, some other family members. And so I'm familiar with it, not directly affected by it,

but I still know how it can impact a life. And you can make a choice, whether is this going to break me? Or is this going to make me stronger, and I'm going to move past it. So what was it for you that helped you be like, No, I'm gonna I'm gonna use this negative and turn it into a positive and help other people find more positivity and life and their future? I think for me, it wasn't just one aha moment. It was more of like a series of things that happened in my life that I just like, no, I don't want this for my life. This is not going to define me so before my previous relationship with my spouse now I've been in bad relationships where I was involved with a guy who was in a gang

and it was like who would have thought that I would be involved in that sort of relationship and it got it got kind of physically abusive for a bit and mentally abusive. So I was in bad relationships and I decided, okay, no, this isn't the life that I want. This isn't what I decided to do. So I slowly created a strategy for myself to get out of it. And I started to surround myself with other people. So I was in university at the time. And I was probably almost going to be failing out of university

because I was so affected by this person in my life at the time. And then I've decided, okay, no, this, he's gone to jail. So he went to jail. And I decided it's time to move on. I need to find a new circle of friends. And I completely changed my circle. And I started surrounding myself with people who inspired me. So I made those friends role models in our university and in our community that I looked up to, and I became their friends, and then I started to be involved as well. So I became the

involved in the Indigenous Students Council at the university. And and from there things kind of just slowly started changing my mindset and my whole inner circle was different and just from there like I kind of started building my own my professional profile I guess yeah and I got my first job as a business development officer I did that for three years and then I did some community work for my first nation for about six months. And, um, and then I just decided I, I want to get into entrepreneurship because my job was helping entrepreneurs. So that's kind of what like drove me in that direction. Yeah. Because I had a

political science degree, political. Halfway through, I learned that I don't even like politics. Everyone I've ever talked to about their degree and like has nothing to do with what they currently do. yeah for sure like some of it like was a little bit helpful I learned a lot about um the social issues within our communities because there's a lot of indigenous courses that we took um indigenous knowledge uh native studies um I took a couple of commerce classes economics um those were kind of all helpful in shaping what I do now I learned a little bit about civil politics federal politics and provincial but it wasn't really what I was interested in and because I was halfway through and my education was already being paid for,

I thought I have to just finish this degree and move on. Once I finished, I was able to get a job that kind of related to my degree a bit, but it was like a whole different direction than I thought I would be into. Like I thought I was going to be involved in community politics or something. But no. So you bring up a really good point. I feel like it's something that a lot of people don't, I don't give it as much credence to. But if you want to change your life, you really do have to change the people you surround yourself with, which is easier said than done. Because especially if you've been with that group of friends or that community for a long time,

it's very hard to, you know, transition into a new circle of friends or make new friends. And also when you're an adult, making new friends isn't as easy as it was when you're younger. But again, it's like, I, I credit that to, obviously I've kept some of my friends and everyone, but I did make some concerted choices to like, I don't think these people are, you know, inspiring me or making me feel good about myself or uplifting me. And it's really important to not just choose friends because you've always had them, but to choose, you know, actually choose people, you know, not just, you know, well, I've always been with them, but it's like actively choose the people you want to be with because I forgot to

say I'm gonna get it wrong but it's like you are the average of your five best friends or something like that it's something like that you know what I mean but it's just it's it's so important to make sure the people that you have in your life are adding to your knife, not taking away from your life. For sure. Yeah. And I've actually gone through like several different circles of friends. So I had my university friends where we did do like a lot of university partying, but like, other than that, like they were academics or inspired me um but then I had another shift in circles in my circle of friends when I became an entrepreneur because my current circle my circle of friends at that time didn't really kind of understand um entrepreneurship so I started

talking to other entrepreneurs and I became friends with them. And, and it's always evolving. So I'm always looking to be inspired and looking to make friends with people that inspire me. Yeah, yeah. Who talk about others, and you know um so and at this point in my life I have two babies so wow one year old and a two and a half or toddlers I guess you could say yeah so I don't actually have a lot of friends besides online yeah I'll be honest a lot of my friends are online too like I've got neighbors and friends but that's the kind of the glory of like social media and the internet like you can connect with people that don't necessarily like live in your like I have friends that don't live in Toronto like they're all over the world and it's actually

really cool because you can really make deep connections with these people that are so in line with what you're doing and what you want your life to look like but they just don't live near you and that's it's a weird thing I I remember making my first or when I started starting to get into like personal finance blogging, meeting my first like personal finance blogger friends in Vancouver and like having a real life meetup after talking online. I'm like, this is the weirdest thing. And that was like maybe back in like 2012. And now it's normal. Now I meet people online all the time, but yeah, for sure. So being, going to all these different conferences yeah I started going to um things that connected indigenous youth entrepreneurs and indigenous

youth leaders together and started to go to those things and then I've created friends from um different provinces and I still connect with all of those people today maybe not like every day but every like maybe two three times a year but I would still call them pretty close yeah it's not like an everyday thing your friendships just kind of change as you get older totally life gets busy and as you're busy working on your business and you have to schedule in time for people these days absolutely um I would love to know so it sounds like I kind of understand the transition from like you did a poli sci degree and then you kind of it seems almost like a natural transition to entrepreneurship but um what made you want to do like your specific business, which is like accessories and clothing?

Because you do not have a fashion background. And like for me, I'm like, I've always dreamed of like, wouldn't it be cool? But I'm like, I don't know the first thing about that. So I'm not even going to make a t-shirt. It's not even going to happen. Yeah. So actually, growing up, it was a childhood dream. So I remember when I was little, I would sit and draw my own like little outfits and it was just illustration and I was kind of like into Barbies and outfits and things like that. And we didn't really have much growing up in our area. So we had like Sears catalogs and I would see my mom's Cosmo mega scenes and pretty

much that was my understanding of fashion. But I think as I got older, that kind of still stuck with me. And I felt like I was missing the creative side of me. So there was an analytical side and I'm actually a pretty creative person. And when I tap into my creativity, I get inspired and it kind of brings life back into me so when I started thinking about the whole concept of okay maybe I should start um a clothing line that would be fine okay so where what do I do I didn't I didn't have any sewing experience or anything so I sourced everything out from pattern making to even like I tried to do some of my illustrations um I tried at the beginning I was going to do a clothing line and then it evolved into let's do handbags wouldn't that be fun and so I hired everything out from the very beginning, all of the product development.

I worked with a designer to do the technical specs and the illustrations. And, and then I hired out a consultant to work with me. So her name is Sheena Repath. I'm not quite sure if she does it anymore. And so she has a society called Making Shit Happen. I like that. Yeah. Her business at the time was called Ideal Samples.

But she loves product development and working with fashion companies. And she was the one. I actually credit her for introducing me to like all the new things to try I guess so she introduced me to crowdfunding she introduced me to sustainable fashion and doing things differently in a different way so and she really encouraged me and it did take a really long time for me to get started because there was so much I didn't know. And so it was a huge learning curve and I'm still learning, um, about like the fashion industry and, and like

knowing that I'm not actually doing everything perfectly in the industry, but I'm doing things in my own way. So, yeah. So that's pretty cool to know. And I'm still trying to figure out how to do things in my business to like make it what it needs to be. Yeah.

And I guess that's normal. You just like the first part, the hardest part is starting and then just continuing to evolve to make it better it needs to be. Yeah. And I guess that's normal. You just like the first part, the hardest part is starting and then just continuing to evolve to make it better and better. Cause you, as you gain more knowledge, then you kind of figure out, Oh, I want to do this. I want to do that. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's just evolved so much since I first started and I'm the type of person who overanalyzes everything. So I'm going to look at every single piece and it's going to take me a long time before I take the first step and then I do it. And then it, then I kill it. And then I learned from that. I learned from the mistakes and if I

fall short, I, I keep going and it's okay. It's okay to feel sometimes. So I've had a made it, I've made tons of mistakes in my business and I'm sure a lot of other entrepreneurs can tell you the same. Absolutely. So what, what is your kind of bigger vision? Cause you didn't just create, you know, a handbag line with some t-shirts. You like, you have a vision, you have like kind of a bigger message that you want with your um brands what is that so the bigger mission for she native is to help elevate and empower indigenous women and girls so we want to be a source of inspiration and we want to be a source um and a platform where indigenous women are lifting each other and a source where we are working together instead of pulling each other down. Because what ends up happening in the

Indigenous community is a lot of lateral violence sometimes. And you see that on in like large indigenous organizations a lot so we want to be a positive source of um lifting each other up and promoting indigenous business and we also want to help change the public's perceptions surrounding indigenous communities and Indigenous women. Because there's a lot of negative stories and negative stereotypes of Indigenous people all over the media. So why not be a positive story for the media. Yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of my, my big vision, my big goal. And sometimes I don't even know if I'm reaching the goal. I think you are. Cause it's like, I heard about you and you know, I did a search on you before this episode and there's a lot of great like information about you and what you're doing so I think you're making an impact awesome so yeah and we so we want to be able to provide jobs for specifically for Indigenous women

and so whether that's creative jobs um working in our design and production or retail um so yeah we've done that over the years um because we've pretty much been operating on pop-up shops online um community events and yeah so we're mostly known in Saskatoon and Saskatchewan but we do have um we're we're kind of known I I guess, across Canada. Yeah, exactly. Especially with your online presence. Yeah. So that's what you're doing now. What's your kind of vision for the future?

Is it just getting kind of more awareness about your brand throughout Canada? Yeah. So I'm really trying to kind of figure out how we're going to grow and stay a sustainable brand. So there's so much different ways that we can go about growing still. And we're kind of in a phase where we're assessing where we are now and where we want to go. So we're kind of in this whole strategic planning phase at the moment. And so like we've thought about franchising, but okay, before we franchise,

we're going to need to have like a sustainable retail space. So we've thought about outsourcing again, the manufacturing, because we did start it in house, but we actually need a lot more equipment in order to and work on our systems and our processes. So the whole manufacturing process, because we cut all of our weathers by hand still, we don't have the, we don't have the machinery to be able to, um, cut large pieces at a time. We're literally every single piece. And, um, so we also want to be able to make sure that our product is of quality.

And that's a little bit tough to do in our current design space and studio because we are lacking a lot of the equipment to be able to do that. And everything, so precision with handbags is so important and it's so hard to do because one little stitch can ruin everything it can ruin a whole product yeah yeah yeah it's definitely like I can see like how difficult it can be to not only just like have the business you currently have but then figure out how do we scale this and is it realistic because right now what you're basically offering which is amazing is like you know premium handmade leather goods which you know are amazing but then to scale up

obviously you can't continue to do that so you make that kind of figure out what do we do next yeah so like I think my vision was great to have like my own production facility but I think I think what we're best at is creating product the creative side of things so I think it's like the most important thing it's like if you don't have a good product then the rest doesn't matter yeah so I think we need to focus more on the design and the product development side of things and then have um have a manufacturer that can um create or make our products on a larger scale. So how long have you been doing this as your main thing? Since 2014. Oh, wow.

So it's been a while. You got kind of like that five-year mark now. So knowing what you know now, what would you kind of tell yourself? Like, is there any advice or tips you would give your younger self if you could go back? Um, I think I would say keep your job until, until you make, start making money. Cause like, I think the first couple of years were kind of hard because I wasn't able to pay myself what I was making before. Right. Um,

so I think I, I would say do a better transition into it. Um, and don't risk your family life too. Yeah. But how do you do that? Cause it's like, that's the tricky thing I find when I do talk to entrepreneurs.

It's when you're putting all of your like energy and focus into growing your business, it's your kind of social life and your family life kind of goes to the wayside a little bit because you only have so much energy and time. How do you find that you maybe you found a better balance now, but how do you find that kind of balance? The first year, actually actually I spent a lot of time on my computer just researching and trying to figure things out and um and at the time it was just Chad and me so me and my spouse and so he's been with me through this from the very beginning and it was a little bit tough like from going to having a consistent

income to no income at all and like paying myself when I can and relying on him and I think like that kind of sparked a little bit of um within our relationship too. But we decided, okay, we need to start a family. It's time. It doesn't matter if I'm in the middle of just, I've just recently started a business. Let's just do this. And we did it. And somehow we've always made it work. But through those years, too, I've also had very, my time is very limited. So I've had to set stronger boundaries with people, I've had to plan my days a little bit better. And sometimes I still don't plan my days all that well. And sometimes you can't, sometimes a kid gets sick and you have to be home for three days and there's nothing you could do about it because usually it's the, it's the mother who is the one

that ends up taking most of the childcare care responsibilities and I don't know like some women are lucky to be able to have a spouse who can do a little bit more but when you have a spouse who's working full-time and doing physical labor yeah it's not um it's not realistic so so it's like have a plan but but be flexible. Because that plan may just go out the window. I have the good, the beauty about all of this is that I do have that freedom to change my plans if I want to. So there's nobody holding me back um besides my spouse I guess and my kids to say that I cannot that I that I have to be in the office or that I have to be at the store or you know um so I'm able to define my own schedule which is is what I love. And I don't think I would want to trade that

in. I know me neither. Really great. Once you get it, it's hard to like, you're like, this is amazing. I'd rather like, I was just telling my husband the other day, I'm like, I now kind of understand after, you know, working for myself full time for two years, why people there's that saying where it's like entrepreneurs would rather work an 80 hour week on their own to avoid 40 hours in like a cubicle like yeah that's me yeah I'm working 12 hour days that means I don't have to go back to the cubicle and I was like that so I was working 12 hour days and um staying up till three in the morning to work on my business planner to work on launching a website and just things like that I would work on. But now that I have babies, I am limited to the time that they're in daycare. Does that make you more efficient with your time

do you find? Sometimes sometimes yes, yes. And sometimes, no. Sometimes, like, oh, my God, I only have a couple hours to get this done. Yeah. Because I'm not going to be able to do it at night. I'll try. Sometimes I try to do it, but it doesn't really work because they need me at night. I'm still nursing. And I've also made the decision to keep my weekends as family time to keep our family life in balance.

So that was a source of like my relationship stuff too. I wasn't giving enough time to my spouse and my family on the weekend. So I had to make that decision. Okay, my weekends are for family only. I'm sorry, I'm not doing anything on the weekends. And everything had to make that decision. Okay. My weekends are for family only. I'm sorry. I'm not doing anything on the weekends and everything else can wait till Monday. Yes, exactly. Going back to that boundary, right? Yeah. It's like boundaries are so, so important and being able to, yeah, really just say yes and say no when you need to, which is

again, so easy in theory, but hard to actually implement. But it's, it's crucial to have that balance and not drive yourself crazy as an entrepreneur. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And so I've made peace with like, not if something doesn't get done, then it doesn't get done. And I've made peace with, okay, it might take a little bit longer, but I have a family to think about. I have two babies to think about. And so family comes first. Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me. For, you know, young women listening, or just women listening in general, what would you like to share with them to kind of leave them off with

just a little bit of like inspiration that, you know, something that maybe helped you kind of get to where you are today? Well, there's like a lot of things. I know, we can talk for another hour, but I won't do that to you. Yeah, so balance is really important. So setting your boundaries and knowing what's the most important to you in your life and what are the goals that you want to achieve.

So knowing what your vision is and then knowing how you're going to get there. So break out all of the steps to be able to start working towards your goal and yeah peace with like knowing it's not going to be tomorrow or knowing it might not happen within a year but be patient with yourself um I think for too long I was impatient with myself at the speed of thing the way things were going going. So, um, I started to be at more peace with where I am and, um, being grateful for how far I have come. Yeah. Especially with balancing, um, a relationship and, and family life and setting, set your priorities. So what are your priorities for me? It's family.

And business comes next. Yeah. No, I think that's so crucial because you can get very confused and lose direction very easily when you work for yourself you're like why am I even doing this so it's like you if you always have those priorities in mind but like remember I'm doing this so I can provide a better life for my family and then next is for me to have you know self-fulfillment and then next and this and that I always do that otherwise I would be like why am I doing this should I just get a job again I forget it's always good to have clarity with those priorities yeah for sure um so where can people find more information about you and she native um so you can find my website at www.shenative.com I'm also on Facebook at she native and I'm on

Instagram and Twitter she native goods and I am going to be launching a new website soon, a personal website. So it's Devin Fidler. I don't think we have the domain yet. So coming soon. We should have it up on my website, on the SheNative website, probably within the next month. Awesome. Well, look out for that. Thank you so much for taking the time to chat with me.

It was a pleasure. And that was episode 195 with Devin Fidler. You can learn more about her on Instagram and Twitter, but just go to SheNative.com or follow SheNativeGoods on Instagram or Twitter for more information and to buy some for amazing bags and tops. I'm a big fan. Big fan over here, obviously. That's why I kind of went straight at her after her panel. I'd be like, will you please be on my show? So if you want to learn more about what we talked about and I'll put some links so you can easily click, you know, to learn more about Devin and She Native Goods. Go to the show notes, jessicamorehouse.com slash 195 for all of that. Don't go away. Just want to share a few things with you. Just first got a few words I need to share about this episode's wonderful sponsor.

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well, it's just a click away and then you'll be, you know, getting yourself a free book. What's not to love? What is not to love? That is really it for me for the minute. So I'm going to be back here next Wednesday with a fresh new episode. So thanks as always for listening. Make sure to subscribe. Leave me an iTunes review if you wouldn't mind. It takes two seconds. And I'll be back here next week. Hope to see you here too. And on that note, have a good rest of your week, good weekend. See you later.

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