More Money Podcast - 401 How to Travel Better with Aeroplan Points - Editor-in-Chief at Prince of Travel, T.J. Dunn

Episode Date: May 15, 2024

We talked about how to use AIR MILES to travel better in episode 393 with President Shawn Stewart, and since getting so much great feedback from that episode, I thought why not do an episode talking about another great loyalty program for travel — Aeroplan. And since one of the best online sources for information about Aeroplan is Prince of Travel, I invited Editor-in-Chief T.J. Dunn on the show to find out all his tips, tricks, and secrets. As someone who has been travel-hacking with Aeroplan points for years, T.J. now helps others learn how to use points to get free (or almost free trips), how to fly business class for a fraction of the cost, and when are the best times to book travel with points to get the best value. All I can say is I've never been more excited about my future trip to Italy now that I know my flights are basically already paid for! Follow me: Instagram @jessicaimoorhouse Threads @jessicaimoorhouse TikTok @jessicaimoorhouse Facebook @jessicaimoorhouse YouTube @jessicamoorhouse LinkedIn - Jessica Moorhouse For full episode show notes and transcript visit jessicamoorhouse.com/401 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Hello, and welcome to episode 401 of the Mormon podcast. I am your host, Jessica Morehouse. Welcome back to the show. Thank you so much for joining me. And also thank you for everyone for celebrating with me last week. I mean, online virtually, I didn't really have a party or anything like that to celebrate 400 episodes. And, you know, it's just, yeah, it's kind of a crazy milestone. And we'll be hitting an even bigger one, you know, around this time next year, next June, will mark 10 years, 10 years since I started the More Money Podcast. That honestly doesn't actually make any sense in my brain, because I don't feel 10 years older. But there we are. And I think at that point, because that is like a year from now, I probably will do an event because I haven't done events.

You know, if you're a longtime listener, you know, I had the Millennial Money Meetup. I did seven events from 2016 to 2019. Six in Toronto, one in Vancouver. And they were so much fun. And then COVID just kind of threw a wrench in all of that. And I have not done an event since. Just life got busy and millennial money meetup is no more. I will do, I think, events in the future, especially when I will be doing a book tour of some sort. Not sure exactly what that will look like, but I'm definitely going to be doing some events. And yeah, I think I will do an event in Toronto to celebrate 10 years of the More Money Podcast. How cool would that be? But that's in a year from now. So we have lots of time to do that planning. But what you might be planning right now as we enter the summer months is your travel, right?

I mean, I already have some travel plans. I'm probably going to the Maritimes for a little bit. I'm going to Quebec for a little bit. So yeah, just Canadian travel this year. And I think next year, and we're just starting to kind of plant the seeds, you know, start to really plan just little things right now for it to hopefully happen. I might be going to Japan next spring with my husband and some friends. So that would be a pretty cool bucket list trip. So to talk more about how to plan your travel properly, but specifically doing it in a strategic way using aeroplan points, I have the wonderful TJ Dunn on the show. He is the editor-in-chief of Prince of Travel. I reached out to the Prince of Travel team to see if anyone from there could come on the show and talk about it because

I got a lot of great feedback from having the president of Air Miles, Sean Stewart, on the show. If you don't remember that episode, it wasn't too long ago. It was just episode 393, how to get the most out of air miles got a lot of great feedback on that but so I kind of wanted to do an episode about the other big reward program travel reward program aero plan and that is uh what we're going to be talking about today and it is a very juicy episode I learned a lot I was taking mental notes and um we me and TJ even continued talking after we recorded and been in touch soon because I told him I have some plans to go to Italy. At some point, I'm not sure when because now we're probably going to Japan. I don't know if we can do Japan and Italy in one year,

but who knows? I've got some points and I need to know how to properly use them. So you're going to learn a lot in this episode. And yes, like I mentioned, TJ Dunn, he's the editor-in-chief at Prince of Travel, which if you're not familiar with it, though, I feel like if you do any Googling about travel, it does come up right away. It is Canada's leading resource for maximizing credit card rewards and loyalty programs to unlock amazing travel experiences at a fraction of the price. And TJ has published over 500 articles on a host of topics, including loyalty programs, aviation, credit cards, product reviews, and more. And he is based in beautiful Comox Valley on Vancouver Island. Love Comox. That's nice. And he travels near and far whenever

possible. And he's a delight. And you're going to love this episode. So without further ado, let's get to it. What's in this McDonald's bag? The McValue meal. For $5.79 plus tax, you can get your choice of junior chicken, McDouble, or chicken snack wrap, plus small fries and a small fountain drink. So pick up a McValue meal today at participating McDonald's restaurants in Canada. Prices exclude delivery. Welcome TJ to the More Money Podcast. I'm so excited to have you on the show. Thanks very much for having me. I'm excited to be here too. Yeah. So I reached out because I get questions all the time and also just personally interested in learning how we can optimize rewards and points and get the most out of that. Because

most of us are using credit cards or participating in these programs every single day. And we're probably we don't have a strategy. We don't have a plan. We don't know what we're doing. And so we go to websites like Prince of Travel to find out, am I doing this right? Should I consider getting a different card? Should I? Am I optimizing my points? And of course, one thing that I always want to know is how on earth do I get one of those first class seats or business class? And how do I afford that not pay any money? You see people online all the time being like, Oh, look at me. I mean, this like pod and it's free, or I paid $100. You're like, how? How did you do that? So I'm excited to have you on the show to kind of dive deep into all of

these things. But before we get started, you want to tell me a little bit about yourself and how you started working with Prince of Travel and really what Prince of Travel is all about. Yeah, for sure. So my name is TJ. I'm officially the editor-in-chief at Prince of Travel. I started my journey with Prince of Travel five years ago when I was in grad school. And so I started out with writing articles. And then just about two years ago, I left my full-time job as a speech-language pathologist. And I came on to Prince of Travel in a full-time capacity. So I've been around for a while. It's been really exciting to see it grow. It's great to work with my friends.

Prince of Travel, everything to do with credit cards, loyalty programs, airline industry. We've got our website. We have an in-house travel agency, concierge service. We have an event that we run smaller events and larger events like the Travel Summit in Toronto, which we host every year. Yeah. And we love to help people maximize their credit cards and get on those first class flights, business class flights, economy flights, whatever your goals are. Amazing. I didn't actually know you did events. What's, is there one coming up? I didn't know it was in Toronto too. That's really interesting. Yeah. So we have the second edition of the Travel Summit. We're expecting around 500 people this year. It's happening at the end of April, April 26, 27 in Toronto. Yeah, it's going to be great. It's a two day event, we have 26 or 28 breakout sessions, or even more,

probably ranging from everything from credit card points, miles and points for beginners all the way to advanced. We have content creators coming as well, and then a lifestyle track. So people who integrate work with travel. So yeah, this is the second time we've done it. The first one was in October 2022. And we run a bunch of smaller events as well, ranging from pub meetups with our community to events for around 100, 150 people, which we call the Prince of Travel signature events. Oh, nice. How would people find out about that? Do you have like an email list or like how to stay, you know, how to find out when the next event is going to happen? Yeah, we have an email list. People can sign up for our newsletter. We broadcast it on our website,

on our social media channels. We broadcast it all over the place because we think it's a great event and we want people to come. Yeah, let's talk about some of these loyalty programs. I, you know, recently this season had someone from Air Miles on. So we talked about that program specifically. And I know some of the questions I got was what about Aeroplan or what about other programs and which one's better? So do you want to kind of lay out what are some of the loyalty programs that Prince of Travel kind of focuses on and sees the most value for consumers? Yeah, for sure. I think the biggest one that we write about, and I think what we're known best for is covering Aeroplan. So Aeroplan last went through a big revision, a

relaunch back in fall of 2020. And since then, it's really gained not only attention across Canada, but also in the United States and worldwide as well. Fortunately, in Canada, it's a really accessible program through flying with Air Canada, obviously, but through credit card partnerships, through transferable points like American Express Points, which you can convert one-to-one into Aeroplan points, and also other programs. And then they've made it really easy to earn points for everyday spending in a variety of ways. So you can earn points with Starbucks, LCBO in Ontario, Journey Rewards, lots of different ways. And for online shopping as well, through the aeroplan

eStore. So it's a great program. I think what a lot of people don't realize is you can yes, you can book flights with Air Canada, but you can also book flights with 45 partner airlines as well. Star Alliance Airlines and independent airlines as well. So it's a fantastic program for people who want to fly economy, people who want to fly business class and people who even want to fly first class. Now, yeah, one of the things because I started, you know, also, like, it's only been a few years that I think I've been part of Aeroplan and really seeing how it can accumulate points for future travel. You know, what are some key things that if you're just getting started with this particular loyalty program, that is key to make sure you're getting those points? Like particular loyalty program, that is key to make

sure you're getting those points? Like, is it like, okay, the first thing is to look at which credit cards are offering the best bonuses right now? I think what I usually recommend people do is to kind of set a goal and to think about what you want to get out of it. Because once you know what your goal is, you can kind of work backwards from there and think, you know, let's say you want to fly from Toronto to Europe in business class. And so you read up a little bit about the different programs, you see what's out there, and then you realize, okay, well, I need to earn around 60,000 aeroplane points to do that 60,000 70,000, depending on your destination and where you're flying from. And then once you have that level at 60,000,

70,000, you could get that with a single welcome bonus on a credit card, which is, you know, crazy to think that you can get a flight that costs three or $4,000 with a single welcome bonus from a credit card. If you have, if you want to use your daily spending to help you get there, you can, you can think, okay, well, I need 60,000 points. I earn five points per dollar on my credit card at grocery stores. Um, I need to spend $12,000 at grocery stores, uh, or restaurants and bars over the course of the year. Uh, and then I'll have unlocked my goal of flying in business class. So, um, yeah, I really recommend, um, recommend that everybody's kind of sets a goal and research is what's out there. And also, it helps you realize what it should cost. You can book the same flights through different programs. And so by spending a

little bit of time on the front end, you realize, you know, you'll make sure that you're earning the right kind of points to reach your goal. You make sure that you're on track, you know, if you're planning a year or two in advance. And then yeah, it's fun watching the watching, keeping track and seeing yourself get to the finish line. And then clicking the book button is the second best feeling because the best feeling is actually getting on the plane and experiencing it for the first time. Now you mentioned track. And I think that's part of the reason that for many years, I was not into kind of the loyalty or the credit card churning or that kind of whole thing. Because I'm like, that sounds like a lot of work. And I just don't

have time to track another thing. If you do want to really like, okay, let's do this is like, play the points game. What are some methods to keep organized, such as if you're applying for like lots of different credit cards or not lots, but like a few, how to make sure because I think one thing I honestly started was a spreadsheet because I'm like, okay, I'm playing for two different credit cards. They offer these bonuses. This is what it says. But in order to get those bonuses, which most people forget about, it's like you have to hit certain like spending targets. Like you have to spend this amount. You have to activate your card, you have to do all these things. So in your mind, what is the best way to really organize everything so you don't like,

oh, shoot, I was supposed to spend like $1,000 on my credit card this month in order to get the full amount and I didn't shoot? Yeah, a lot of people use spreadsheets, especially once, you know, as you become more into integrated with miles and points. If you have a few different things on the go, if you're if you have a few different credit cards to make sure that you're getting the most out of every dollar you spend, you might buy groceries on one card. You might buy gas on another card. And so you kind of have your effort spread across different areas, different cards. And that's when being organized comes into play. So some people use spreadsheets and find it really helpful. You can keep track of things like when your next annual fee is due, what the minimum spending requirement for a credit card is and how when you have to meet that by. So you can make

sure that you're, oh, I need to put some money on this card this month because it's a one-time opportunity. And if you don't hit it, you don't really get a second chance. So yeah. Yeah. Staying organized, using spreadsheets. Some people like to do a weekly summary. So every, usually on the weekend on Saturday or Sunday morning, I'll wake up and make myself a nice cappuccino and just open my laptop and just go through my loyalty accounts, go through my credit cards, make sure all the bills are paid, make sure all the points are where they're supposed to be. And then, yeah, just make sure that I'm on track for any goals, any trips that I'm planning. And if I'm planning far ahead, I can start looking for to see what's out there. Maybe there's a maybe I need to add another credit card to my rotation, or maybe I need to adjust, redirect some of my spending on my existing cards.

Oh, well, that's a great question, too, is I found for me, the best way to accumulate those points is sometimes getting those bonuses, because sometimes they are just massive. And the annoying thing too is they change all the time. And so I remember signing up for two credit cards back in I think the summer of 2022. And at the time, that was like, it was just luck. There were some really good bonuses for those. And then two years later, they've kind of depreciated. So I mean, yeah, what is the best way to keep track of which credit cards are offering, you know, which bonuses and how to know when, oh, this is a good time to get in or maybe wait to see if they up it in the future?

Yeah, I mean, on our website, we cover that in detail. Lots of other websites do as well. So I think if you're, you know, really interested in this, and you really want to sink your teeth into it, make sure that you've got a good news feed coming in and make sure that you're staying on top of things. For something if you know, if it's a record high welcome bonus on on a credit card, it's going to generate a lot of interest from the miles and points community. And so you know, if we're writing an article about the latest credit card offers, and if it's a record high welcome bonus, we'll put right in

there that, you know, it's never been better than this. And now is a perfect time to apply. And, you know, if there's not a record high welcome bonus out there as well, it should be pretty easy to find. We certainly list on our website a list of historical offers. So you can go in and say, you know, this is low compared to the highest that it's ever been. Maybe I'll hold out and I'll put my efforts elsewhere for now. So yeah, there are lots of information out there. And I think it's best to work it into your weekly rotation, sign up for newsletters, get alerts from your favorite websites like Prince of Travel, whenever new blog posts go out. And yeah, the more you keep your finger on the pulse, the more you stand to gain from it.

Well, speaking of kind of historical trends, what have you seen in the past couple years? Have you seen a decline or just a shift? Or is it really dependent on the credit card or the institution that's offering? I think during the pandemic, we saw some blockbuster, you know, never before seen welcome bonuses in Canada that we'd only ever seen in the United States before. So there was a good period of time where there were really, really good welcome bonuses on a lot of credit cards out there, which was super exciting. And it was great. Lots of people came out of the pandemic with a nice, healthy points balance. And once the world started opening up again, they had a massive amount of points to use. And so lots of people booked really cool trips, which was fantastic. And since then, there's still been a good trend in Canada, in particular, with card issuers putting out big welcome bonuses to attract people into their ecosystem. So it's nice to see some competition, you know, one bank one upping the other and with the size of a welcome bonus.

But I think one thing that I've noticed, especially over the last year, if not the last couple of years, is that the way that the welcome bonus is structured is shifting. So before it might be, you know, spend $6,000 in three months, then you get all of the points. But now we're kind of seeing a trend where the welcome bonus is either spread out over the course of the first year. So you have to spend, you know, $500 every month. And then each month you get a smaller welcome bonus, which is difficult to keep track of for some people. And from the bank side, they want people spending on their card on the long term. So that makes total sense. So we're seeing that and we're also seeing welcome bonuses split up into the first and the second year. So you might get, you know, 50% of the welcome bonus

in the first year. And then after you renew the card for the second year, sometimes you have to make a purchase on it. Sometimes you don't. You get the second allotment of points. So it's changing a bit. I think that's become more of a trend than the sky high, record high welcome bonuses in the 100, 150,000 point range. But there's still lots of value to

be found there. And I think you just really have to crunch the numbers and you know, make sure that you're getting that value from your credit card to justify that whatever cost you'll be incurring. Yeah, no, I've definitely seen that with a lot of cards is that you'll get a certain amount, like it'll, you know, promote it, you'll get 100,000 points. And then you look at the small print, you're like, well, you'll get like 50% on card renewal. And you're like, well, that's when you're going to charge me my annual fee. And I was planning on not keeping you for that time because they give me your first year free.

So I guess, like you said, it's really important to make those calculations. And again, like that is a lot of work. But I guess when you're in it, it's kind of like it can kind of become a fun hobby to track all of those kind of numbers. I guess the one thing, too, I think the reason that for a long time I just like wasn't really into the loyalty that the points accumulation was part of it is it is the reason points exist is to encourage you to spend. So you don't want to just get into it unless unless you know, like, for example, the reason I

got into it is, oh, I have a lot of business expenses, and I'm really not using maybe the best card to get the best points, I should really shift that kind of strategy. Or I have a couple big home expenses coming out. If I put that on a credit card, I'm going to pay for it anyway, I have to, I can get some points. So not that you're a personal finance expert or anything, but do you have any kind of insight or even just a personal experience how to kind of manage your budget while also kind of getting on this track of accumulating points? You don't want to spend money for no reason exactly. Yeah, for sure. I think just very briefly, I got into miles and points because I was planning a wedding seven years ago. And I thought we're spending a ton of money here.

Before that, it had taken me four years to earn enough points for a one way flight and economy. And I thought somebody is doing this better than I am. So yeah, I started reading up about points. And the goal that we had was to fly business class one, one way in business class on our honeymoon. And so we set the goal, we said we need this many points. And then we started working backwards from there. And then we quickly realized that goal and then thought, okay, well, maybe we still got lots of money to spend for the wedding. Maybe we can get our return flights booked in business class as well. And then we did that. And then we still had some spending to do. So we thought, all right, let's stay in some fancy hotels. So we got into the hotel side of things. And then, yeah, seven years later, here I am. And it's my day-to-day life. I live and breathe this stuff.

And it's great. We've had some fantastic experiences too. You brought up a really good point around both business expenses and planning in advance around large purchases. So tax season is right here. You can pay taxes with a credit card. If you have a large tax bill, that's a great opportunity to, you know, work towards a welcome bonus on a credit card. You have to pay for it because you can't just pay without a credit card processing fee, unfortunately. But oftentimes, depending on the type of points that you're earning, and what you stand to unlock by paying a little bit, you might get a big welcome bonus out of it

that's totally that you can justify the fee for. Another thing that we recommend that people do is we is to audit your spending. And so you think, where do I spend all my money? Okay, well, everybody spends money on groceries. And fortunately, lots of credit cards have really good earning multipliers for grocery stores. So that's great. You look for a card that earns five or six points per dollar at a grocery store, and you're getting a minimum of five to 6% back on every dollar that you spend at a grocery store, which is great. If you spend a lot of money on gas, you want to make sure that you're getting, you know, more than the baseline one point per dollar spent at gas stations, you look for two, maybe even three, maybe even four points or cashback, whatever people are into, we send to

recommend points for better value. But yeah, so we recommend audit your spending and think about where you spend money and then look to pair that with a credit card that has an earning multiplier on all of the stuff that you spend money on. And that's when building up a small portfolio of credit cards comes in handy. So you might use one, you might have your grocery credit card, then you might have your gas credit card, you might have your credit card for everything else that has a high baseline earning rate. So you're earning a little bit more with every dollar that you spend. And then you're getting yourself in a business class and first class seats a lot faster that way. Yeah, no, that's actually something that whenever I work with a financial counseling client, and we look at, you know, how are you spending your

money? And even in my budget spreadsheets, I have a section where it's like, you know, put your payment like what you're paying rent, are you doing with your checking account? Or can you do it with a credit card or your groceries, put that specific payment method in there. So you know what your habits are. And I think most of us don't do that. But just thinking a lot of our expenses are actually those, you know, recurring expenses, the phone bill, the subscriptions, things like that. And often we're using some card that we've, it was one of our first cards and we never really think about it, but just thinking about things differently. If I just like change the payment method to maybe this card is signed up

for, I have to hit those kind of payment targets to get the bonuses, then you can just get there that much quicker. But I think that's a great idea to audit, like, how am I paying for things? And can I optimize that? Because most of us are just, there was no thought when we set that up. We just started doing it and then didn't really think about what the best way of doing that.

You mentioned, you know, and this was, again, a big dream of mine to eventually do like first class or even business class I've never even done. And part of it is just like, I'm just too damn cheap, but I do want to have that experience and I would love to do that on point so I can feel like I didn't really pay for all of it. So, you know, when it comes to especially booking

flights, and sometimes, you know, I'm on those like different calculators you can use. And I know I think Prince of Travel has a lot of great info on looking at the dollar per and things like that. Do you get more value? And does it depend on the program? But do you get more value out of like booking economy or business class? I've heard sometimes, oh, no, you get more value? And does it depend on the program? But do you get more value out of like booking economy or business class? I've heard sometimes, oh no, you get better value with the business class bookings, even though it's a more expensive ticket. Do you have kind of some thoughts on that? This episode is brought to you by Canon Canada. From street interviews to vlogging or filmmaking, great content gets even better when you're shooting with great gear. That's what Canon's Level Up sales event is all about.

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And to use an example of, you know, if you're earning cash back on a credit card and you want to book a flight that costs $5,000 to pay cash for a business class flight, you're going to have to spend a lot of money on that cash back card, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars before you earn enough cashback to get yourself on that flight. However, if you're earning things like aeroplane points, you know, you don't need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to unlock this really cool experience that's, you know, out of reach for a lot of people who, you know, won't pay $5,000 out of pocket for a business class flight. I can't do that. But would you pay $100 out of pocket for that same flight, you get the same lounge access, you get the same meals on board, you're not treated any differently, because you booked it on points. But you got there and you paid a fraction of the price because you yeah, you unlock the magic of miles and points

that way. So yeah, generally speaking, premium cabin redemption, so anything other than economy, tends to yield the highest, if you think about it in cents per point value. We have our points valuations on our website. So we kind of have, we use those as a target baseline redemption value. You can get more, you can get less, but generally speaking, you know, you should get at least this amount from your points. You can still get great value from economy flights as well. It just doesn't tend to fall into that outsized value category where, you know, if you're getting two cents per point on an economy flight, that's pretty good. If you're booking business class or first class, you know, you're probably hitting at

least four or five cents per point, if not up into the 10, 15, if you're booking a really crazy expensive flight that, you know, probably hardly anybody actually pays cash for. But you're getting the same experience. And it comes literally at a fraction of the price. I guess the other kind of complicated thing when you're at that point, you're like, okay, I'm ready to book my flight and I'm ready to get this trip going is do we do Air Canada? Do we do, like you said, all the 40 partner airlines that can possibly also get us there? And how do I decide? And then also, at what time of year? Or, you know, it's like, everyone's just like, how do I get the perfect

flight for the perfect price? Or are there kind of some tips you have for figuring out? Oh, you want to, you know, I feel like it's probably not anymore. But the rule was like, oh, book on a Tuesday. Tuesdays are good. I don't know if that's any, I don't think that matters anymore. But it used to be back in the day. Yeah. So that's the other side of the thing. So once you've earned enough points, you know, rare are the occasions where you just flip open your laptop, uh, you make your search and your loyalty program of choice and you get exactly what you want.

Um, sometimes that happens and when it does, it feels really good. Um, but the work's not finished is just because you've earned enough points to do things. So if every single seat, uh, on every, every single business class seat on a plane was available for booking with points at the same price, this hobby wouldn't exist. People would book those up right away. So airlines, you know, they do tend to release. It could be a handful of seats. It could be a couple. It could be a bunch, depending on the airline. And so if you're planning in advance, you know, thinking about a year ahead, as soon

as the airline releases its schedule, that's usually a really good time to book the business class premium, any premium flight. But as soon as those get booked up, then there's kind of this period of time where you might find it, but you probably won't. And so you have to start searching around even more. And all of that kind of comes to a head within about a month prior to a flight's departure. And when you're looking at, you know, a month before you intend to fly, or even a couple of weeks, or sometimes even a couple of days, that's when basically you can

pick and choose any product, you know, the world's best business class, the world's best first class flights. The best time to book is literally right before you go to fly. Really? It's scary. So but you're saying even a month is considered kind of last minute, but or is it better? No, like if you're the weeks before or the days before or like where you really get the opportunities? I think within a month is pretty good. As you approach the actual flight date, that's when things really start opening up. And that's when you see all of the prices that you want to see for for booking flights on points, you know, throughout the year, you might have been watching a flight from Vancouver to Australia. And every day you see 300,000 points and you think, well, I don't have 300,000 points.

I have 85 or 80, 90,000 points. And then in the month, weeks leading up to the flight, all of a sudden you see that magical number and you can go to book it. So that sounds so stressful, though. It's like making me sweat just thinking about we booked all of our accommodations and all of our activities, but we haven't booked the flight. Oh, I've never done that in my life. I'm way too. But I like the idea of it.

Well, I always recommend one of the great things about points as well is that unlike cash flights, you can get your points back. It'll cost you whatever the cancellation fee is. But for some loyalty programs, it's, you know, $50, $25, $100. So I always, if you're not comfortable waiting until the last minute, which most people aren't, I always recommend, you know, book a backup option, book something that you'd be happy to fly, you can book all of your hotels, all of your activities. And that way, you know that you have something. And then if something better comes along, the point you pay, whatever the cancellation fee is, the points get back into

your account right away, and then you can book the better flights. So there's a cost that comes with that. But the other on the other side of the coin, you get what you want. But you mentioned the flight schedule. I've never I've never thought of that or even heard of that in my life. When does the these airlines release their flight schedule? Is it just once per year or how often does that happen? And how do you get in on the ground floor to find out when this happens? This is a bit of a complex answer. So if you're booking Air Canada flights with Air Canada's loyalty program, you can start booking them typically 360 days in advance. So just about a year out. If you're booking Air Canada flights with another loyalty program from another Star Alliance airline, you can probably

only start booking those around 330 days in advance. But some airlines release award seats to other loyalty programs close to a year in advance. Others don't release them until literally two weeks before the flight flights due to depart. So it's really, it's all over the place. Gosh, and I don't know if we covered this yet, but say I wanted, I have a bunch of aeroplane points and I'm curious about just trying out

a different airline. How did I go about, like, I actually don't even know how to book that. It's very clear on the aeroplane website to book through Air Canada, but what if I want to do Lufthansa or one of the other cool airlines? How do I do that with my aeroplane? Yeah, you just book it right clear on the Aeroplan website to book through Air Canada, but what if I want to do Lufthansa or

one of the other cool airlines? How do I do that with my Aeroplan? Yeah, you just book it right on the Aeroplan website. You don't need to do anything special. One of the things that's really helpful to do is to play around with the filters that are available on Aeroplan or on any loyalty program website. So for example, if you wanted to fly uh toronto to frankfurt with liftanza and you have aeroplan points uh and you really want to fly with liftanza all you need to do is um use the filters that aeroplan has on there and then deselect other airlines you know you can deselect air canada you can deselect united airlines you can deselect tap Air Portugal. So it's only showing Lufthansa flights. If you don't see anything, even though the flight, you know that the flight's operating on that day,

that just means that there isn't any award availability at that time. But if you do see something, then great, you can go ahead and book it. So definitely make use of filters. It'll help you find what you want. And then there are award search tool, award search tools, different websites that help you, you know, really get down, filter down to so you're only seeing results for what you want to see. And like you mentioned, too, when you're comparing, you know, what this would cost in cash compared to points, there are calculators and things like that that show you, listen, if you're going to book it with points,

this is how much it should probably cost if you're getting value. And then I guess that would help you determine whether it makes more sense just to pay cash. Because I know on Aeroplan also you have the option paying it fully in points or partially. And what are your thoughts on that? Is that ever a good idea? Or does it make more sense just to do points instead of partial?

Yeah, I think if you're looking at it from a pure value standpoint, Aeroplan usually gives you four options for booking flights. One is to pay, you pay nothing in cash and you pay everything in points. The tricky thing there is that, let's say you had $250 in taxes and fees that you need to pay. The rate that Aeroplan gives you for that $250 is one cent per point, I think. I haven't looked at this in a while, but when we crunched the numbers a while ago, it was one cent per point. And, you know, we value Aeroplan points at 2.1 cents per point. So I'd look at that and I'd say, well, I'm not getting very good value for my points this way. So I'm happy to pay that 250 bucks because I'd like to save those points for another redemption.

An aeroplan and lots of other loyalty programs increasingly, it allows you to have a sliding scale where you say, okay, well, I don't have 90,000 points, but I have 70,000 points. So I can still book the flight that costs 85,000 points, but I'm going to pay more in taxes and fees. And essentially you're buying points back from yourself for whatever the going rate is. And with Aeroplan, this actually doesn't work out to be a bad deal. I think they sell them for around, or you wind up paying around 2.1 or 2 cents per point, which really isn't that bad of a deal. So if you're just short, you know, it's the easiest way to get what you want. And you're actually getting a pretty fair

price. But again, depending on the loyalty program, depending on what you're comfortable with, just always crunch the numbers to make sure that you're, you know, happy with the redemption value that you're getting. Yeah, that was one thing I wondered. I never really hear anyone talk about buying more points. All loyalty programs, most loyalty programs will sell you points at any time throughout the year. But during the sales, you know, you might get a 50% bonus, 50% discount, 100% bonus. Those happen quite often. And the way that we what we suggest is that it's not really a good idea to speculatively buy points without a redemption in mind. So if you pay attention to the sales and you see a good price for points, if you buy those points and then all of a sudden a month from now, the loyalty program changes the prices of what it costs to redeem, then you've just lost a whole bunch of the value that you've put into it. On the other hand, if you buy points for a specific

use that you had in mind, let's say, you know, a one way business class flight to Europe, for example, it's going to be more than it is going to cost you more than what it would otherwise cost to earn those points with the credit cards through a welcome bonus or through spending on your card every day. But it's going to cost you probably a lot less than the actual cash price. So in a lot of cases, it winds up being a really great deal. But that one is a much more difficult one for people to wrap their heads around. But there is outstanding value to be found there for sure. Just be strategic about it. I know with Airplane specifically, you can also, if you have family, you can do like a family account or join it with a partner. I don't actually know, and I don't know if you know the answer to this, but if you have an account and

your partner has an account, they already have points, can you combine them or do you have to start something from scratch? Yeah, lots of programs have family pooling or household accounts. They all have different rules and what's allowed and what's not allowed and who can join your account and who can't, what frequency people can join and so on and so forth. But Aeroplan's family sharing feature has been temporarily disabled since I think August of last year. I think they were aware of some fraud issues or something was going on. So they've temporarily disabled it for new family sharing accounts. It'll come back online at some point in the near future. We don't know when.

Other programs like Air France, KLM, Flying Blue, another popular program that's really great for Canadians. They allow family pooling, British Airways Executive Club, another really good program for Canadians and for people all over the world. You're allowed to, they have a household account feature. So if you have 50,000 points in one account, 50,000 points in another, the total balance available to people within that account is 100,000 points. And talking a little bit more about the total balance, I'm just even thinking for me, I started this kind of points journey a few years ago now, and I have not actually redeemed anything. And that's part of like, just human behavior,

I have a tendency to hoard. And especially when it comes to points, because I'm just like, Oh, I just want to make sure I have enough, But then they're just accumulating. Is it? I've seen conversations, or there's even like there's a term like earn and burn. Do you think like the best way to get the value out of your points is to make sure you like you're setting that goal and you're earning it and you're spending it? Because I think people tend to have a it's hard to let go and to actually spend the points because they know how much effort it took to accumulate them. Absolutely. We have the mantra of earn and burn.

Unfortunately, points don't appreciate when they sit in your accounts for years. They don't earn interest. They don't get, they don't grow in value. If anything, they tend to decrease in value if a program decides to you know change up the prices for awards or go through changes where they lose partners or or anything any anything could happen so you're only ever guaranteed to get the value you can get from your points uh by what you can redeem them for today so um yeah i am certainly a very firm believer in earning points with a goal in mind. And then once you reach that goal, you burn them. And then you set a new goal and you start earning back towards meeting that next goal. And then once you've reached it, burn those again, and so on and so forth.

You've probably seen it all, heard it all. Are there some mistakes that you see people do, especially like new people that are just getting started into this, you know, loyalty kind of participation? What are some things that people should not do or avoid? Because it could be, you know, a costly mistake. I mean, one thing that comes to mind is if you get really into the credit card trading, just be aware it can impact your credit score. Yeah, that's a really good point as well. I think my number one pointer that I give to people who are starting out is that it's a marathon, it's not a sprint. So think long term in mind,

think long term financial health, credit health. You know, make sure that you're staying on top of that monitor your credit score, make sure that you're if you have if you need to get a mortgage coming up, you want to make sure that your credit score is in tip top shape. Yeah, don't just apply for five credit cards. If you know you have to get a mortgage coming up, you want to make sure that your credit score is in tip-top shape. Yeah, don't just apply for five credit cards. If you know you have to get a mortgage soon, maybe not the best idea. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But yeah, so it's a marathon. It's not a sprint. I always tell people, you know, just get one credit card.

Let's do a little consultation here. We'll tailor one credit card to your needs right now. And then come back to me in a couple of months and just let me know if you're, you know, if this has changed your habits of, or changed how you think about earning points. And then from there, you can, you know, start setting goals, start working backwards. And, you know, the best part of what I do

is getting a message from somebody on their first business class flight, you know, they're flying 35,000 feet in the air, they got a glass of champagne in their hand. And they get a thank you message that says, you know, I never thought that I'd be doing this. But here I am flying in the throes of luxury, sipping on champagne, looking out the window. And it feels absolutely fantastic. So getting people to that point is one of the most rewarding things that I do in my position. And it's really exciting, you know, flying business class, first class staying in fancy hotels. So yeah, I always tell people, approach it slowly, make that goal and start working towards it with, you know, a long term focus.

I mean, that's like everything. I mean, that's great advice because I do feel like you've got to be patient with it. But too often, whether it's points or even like investing, people just want it right away. They want the results. It's like that's just not how it works if you want to do it correctly and avoid some costly mistakes. So, no, I think that's great advice. You mentioned just one thing. And I saw this on your website. I didn't know you guys did that consultations. You have consultants. So if someone were like, I don't have the time

to figure this out on my own, can someone help me? Is that something that you guys provide? Yeah, absolutely. We have a team of consultants here at Prince of Travel. We do everything from, you know, earning to redeeming. So if you want to, if you're just getting started out, you want to learn how to earn points effectively, you want to skip the learning curve, talk with one of our team members, they'll, you know, help you get a sense of which credit cards are best tailored to your specific situation, and also the goals that you have in mind. And on the other side of the coin, if you have a whole bunch of points and you want to get the hardest to book flights.

I'm sort of asking for myself because I'm like, I got some points. I want to go to Italy. Can you help me? Yeah, 100%. So this is something that your experts can, because is that kind of part of the, I guess the travel agency arm?

It's like, we can help you figure out what's the right time and what's the right flight. Yeah. Our travel agency is mostly right now we're doing luxury hotel bookings with preferred partner programs. So, but kind of adjacent to that is our consulting service that, that we offer. Some people want help with actually booking flights. Some people just want it to be a learning session on, you know, teach me the tips and tricks for this crazy world of miles and points. They're a lot of fun. If, if, you know, if you're on the fence about it, I'd encourage you to give it a read. I've had lots of fun doing consulting for the last few years. And I think we've helped

a lot of people get to where they want to be. Yeah, no, I think it's a really, really cool idea. So yeah, well, there's, like you mentioned, so many great resources on the Prince of Travel, hence why I wanted to have you on the show. I've seen your content for a number of years, and I'm like, this is so well organized. And so, you know, again, really specific to certain programs and for Canadians, which I really appreciate, because a lot of, you know, points websites are like, oh, it's for Americans. They're like, shoot, I can't get that credit card with this really great bonus because I'm Canadian. But I think that's a really great resource for people to check out if they want to investigate

further. But like you said, there's a lot of, you know, you've got a website. I think there's a YouTube channel. Where can people find more information about Prince of Travel and some of the great resources that you have? We've got a whole bunch of stuff on the website. Lots of guides to credit cards and loyalty programs, airline products, hotels. We do reviews, lots of stuff on our YouTube channel and our social media channel. So, yeah, give us a follow. Subscribe to the newsletter. Send me some feedback, what you want to see on the website, and we'll we can make it happen. Oh, yeah. Before you leave, actually, I should have asked this question long ago. Just as we're talking, are there any credit cards that people should be

aware of that right now they have some good offers anything to kind of pique people's interest? Absolutely. So generally speaking, American Express cards in Canada have the a both the best welcome bonuses and also the best kinds of points. So by earning one type of points, American Express points, you have access to three great loyalty programs in each of the major airline alliances. So you can transfer them to Air Canada Aeroplan for Star Alliance, British Airways Executive Club for One World, and Air France KLM Flying Blue for SkyTeam. So literally 100 airlines or something like that just by earning one type of point. In terms of welcome bonuses, the cards with higher annual fees, the platinum cards always have a really healthy, really interesting welcome bonus. But if people are looking for one card to just kind of, you know, get them into the game on

to use as a daily driver, the American Express Cobalt card has been Canada's what we think is Canada's best credit card ever since it came on in 2017. I think it's got a great earning rate on lots of things that people spend lots of money on every month. So you'll multiply your earnings. It's never, never really been a great card for a welcome bonus. But it's a card that you keep year after year after year after year, and you put as much spending on as you can on it. Yeah, I've been hearing that for so long. And I think part of the reason I'm like, I don't know is because there isn't really a great welcome bonus. But I think yeah, maybe having that-term strategy is the way to go. So thank you so much for sharing that and everything. I think I learned a lot. I'm sure everyone listening learned a lot. So thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks very much for

having me. I'd love to do it again. And that was episode 401 of the More Money Podcast with TJ Dunn, Editor-in-Chief at Prince of Travel. You can learn more at princeoftravel.com and make sure to follow them on Twitter and Instagram at Prince of Travel. Also the same handle on YouTube and TikTok and LinkedIn, all the places, Prince of Travel. And they've got a lot of great articles and calculators and things like that on their website, but also love their YouTube channel as well if you're kind of more into, you know, the youtube travel and and you know i am obviously so make sure to check them out once again princeoftravel.com but also i will include all of these links in the show notes for this episode jessicamorehouse.com slash 401 and if

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Charitable Impact. And we're talking about charitable giving, how to integrate that into your financial plan. And he has a really interesting organization that allows you to donate in a very different way, but still get that tax receipt, which we all love. So that is what we got on the show. And then after next week, we've only got two more weeks. We're wrapping up this season, June 5th, and then I'm going to be on summer hiatus, which I'm really looking forward to. I just need a little bit of a break, you guys. So yeah, lots of exciting things. So with that, a big thank you, as always, to my wonderful podcast team, Video Edit by Justice Carrar and produced by MRAVCanada.com. That's MRAVCanada.com. And with that, have a good rest of your day, good rest of your week and weekend. You know, pamper yourself, take care of yourself.

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