More Money Podcast - From the Archives: Relistening to Keisha Blair and Her Story of Financial Resilience in the Face of Loss

Episode Date: March 13, 2025

Life can be unexpected, but no matter what, it's important to be prepared in case the unexpected happens. That was one of the key messages Keisha Blair shared with me in our podcast interview and her award-winning book Holistic Wealth. Soon after giving birth to her second child, her husband fell ill and within the span of 24 hours, Keisha became a widow and single mom to two young children. This experience not only shaped the rest of Keisha's life but inspired her to share the financial lessons she learned from it, to help others build resiliency no matter what life throws at you.This episode originally aired on March 11, 2020.To find the original show notes for this episode visit jessicamoorhouse.com/231Follow meInstagram @jessicaimoorhouseThreads @jessicaimoorhouseTikTok @jessicaimoorhouseFacebook @jessicaimoorhouseYouTube @jessicamoorhouseLinkedIn - Jessica MoorhouseFinancial resourcesMy websiteMy bestselling book Everything but MoneyFree resource libraryBudget spreadsheetWealth Building Blueprint for Canadians course Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to the More Money Podcast. I am your host, Jessica Morehouse, and we are re-listening to another episode very much connected to my book because if I did not have this interview, I wouldn't have made it into the book. And I'm talking about a re-listening to episode 231 with Keisha Blair, author of Holistic Wealth. She has an incredible story of, again, resilience because she had to deal with something that I think most of us hope we never have to experience, which is having a loved one, namely her husband, die suddenly. And she had two young kids and

she had to figure out what do we do next. And by suddenly, I mean within 24 hours. Luckily there are some really amazing things that she was able to set up for herself to protect her family and her wealth. Namely they both got life insurance and that was a really big lifesaver. And that's why honestly, I'm always telling people, make sure you have these things set up. You've got an estate plan, you've got life insurance, you've got other forms of insurance to protect yourself because we can't just plan for when things go right. We've got to plan for when things don't go right, when things happen.

And we couldn't even imagine that that happened to me. And so she is such an amazing story of overcoming and rebuilding that I really want to share again. And I do share her story in my book, Everything But Money, in the chapter where I talk about how to build that solid financial foundation. So I thought this would only make sense to re-listen to that episode with Keisha. You can, you know, check her out at keishablair.com. She's been doing quite a bit since she was on the show several years ago. Not only can you still grab a copy of her award-winning book Holistic Wealth, but since then she's also launched the Holistic Wealth Institute where you can get a number of certifications.

You can be a holistic wealth coach and there's a psychology of counseling certification program. There's a lot of interesting programs that she now offers. She has a podcast, so you can find all that also either on her website, keshablair.com or instituteonholisticwealth.com. So really interesting things she's up to now. Anyways, without further ado, let's re-listen to that interview with Kesha. Well, thank you so much Kesha for taking the time to chat with me on the show. I'm so excited to share your story.

I'm so excited to be here. Thanks for having me. You're so welcome. So you kind of became well-known because of this article that you wrote that has such a, it's kind of a heartbreaking title, if I'm honest. My husband died at 34. Here are 40 life lessons I learned from it.

And it went viral, I believe in 2018. How did this article come about first? Like how did you decide to write this article? And then it just kind of caught fire to so to speak and that everyone just kept on reading it and sharing it. Yeah, so I was working on a memoir and I was pitching that out to publishers and getting the type of feedback,

oh, memoir is hard to sell and you have to be like a celebrity. And so I sat down and I was turning 42 that year I sat down and I was turning 42 that year. And I sat down and I was like, well, I've been writing for a long time. And I've been through this transformative experience. What are the lessons you've learned from this? And I just started writing that and I kid you not, I don't know

if it was because I had the manuscript and I was working on the memoir, but it just came out and it didn't take me much time to put the article out. It was like in a day. Oh wow. Yeah. And I was very surprised. But what I knew, which I also say in the book is it was the most vulnerable piece of writing I had done. I felt like I had buried my soul so much so that I felt like if nobody read it, it would have been fine because it was almost just very soul bearing.

And a lot of the lessons in the article and the book really stem from that experience, even the financial ones of walking into the hospital ER with my husband living and breathing to walking out three hours later with a white plastic bag with his things. And so that was like the crooks of it for me. And I still have that moment when I remember that.

And it grounds me a lot because when I think about that prescient moment, it puts life into perspective for me. So that's kind of how it started. And yeah, it's really started out of a lot of thinking and writing done because I had this memoir and it was kind of shaping up through that process and just getting those lessons down. So can you share a little bit about the background? Like, you know, uh, you kind of shared that, uh, you've been writing for a long time and also, you know, I hate to ask this because it seems like such a personal question, but you did write

about it. It's like what happened exactly? Um, this big, you know, life-changing event. Yeah. So, um, he had a very, very rare illness. It's so rare that most doctors it's called pheochromocytoma. Um, most doctors will never see it in their lifetime because it's so rare. They'll only see it in textbooks. And that was why that night when he went in, it was so hard for them to discover it because they don't even know from a biochemical perspective how to test for it most doctors. And so it's likely that, you know, was a tumor on the adrenal gland and it was growing, getting bigger until one day it erupted. His family doctor didn't pick this up before. And even after he died, it took them one whole year. They had to assemble a whole team of international experts and pathologists and the chief investigative coroner for Ontario

into a team to really diagnose it. So it's, you know, and for me, that's why I had to start writing. It was just so bizarre, the circumstances, someone so young, so fit, he ran in most of the marathons and half marathons here and showed no signs of illness apart from like a headache now and again. And so yeah, it was something that was really one for the books in terms of how this unfolded and the circumstances. Wow. That's just incredible. And I mean, I can't imagine going through something like that, but it sounds like it was sudden.

And that's part of what was so, I guess, kind of life-changing is there's no time to prepare mentally or otherwise. Exactly, exactly. No time to prepare. And I had just given birth eight weeks prior to my second child. The first was just three. So I had a three year old and eight week old. And then suddenly this happens out of nowhere. And so like you'll see lots of the life lessons,

you know, like in the book and in the article really surround the type of planning that we all need to do because it really put things into perspective for me. And luckily we had done a lot of that. He was a CPA and a CGA. And, and I was a trained economist, but even then, you know, I felt like, Oh my gosh, like these, these things not only need to be done, but need to be planned way in advance for, and I just felt like it was my mission now

to help spread this message to people. That it's so important, yeah. Yeah, what were some of those things that you wish you could have been more prepared for or, or maybe you were prepared for and you're like, thank goodness we had that in place. Yeah. So there were things that we were prepared for, but not fully, you know, like we, um, we didn't have a will because we were young. And so, um, we just didn't think of that. You know, we were just having young kids and, um and we were more thinking of, you know,

we need to put the RESPs in place and making sure we have the RRSP and making sure like those, you know, those things that you plan for when you're just expanding a family. But we didn't have a will in place. And so that's one thing that I look back and I'm like, wow, yeah, we didn't.

But thankfully, we had all, for some reason, we had all joint accounts. And so I was able to access funds that, you know, like were tied up in elsewhere that I wouldn't have been able to access otherwise. And luckily, I had a financial advisor in place, I had lawyers, I had it's so amazing when these things happen the types of teams you need behind you. It's like a whole infrastructure and so that's the whole thing too is that making sure that you know you're connected to who you need to be connected to just in case you need and. And if you're of course, you know, like developing a will, then you would have a lawyer in place or you might have your financial advisor in place.

And so luckily we did because I had always had this and I don't know if I was like a premonition, but I always had this need to be prepared and to have everything in place. So that's kind of an example of, of an area, um, that, you know, we don't think about a lot like wills and estate planning, but it's so important. So important. Yeah. And I think that's like a big common thing I hear from people, especially,

you know, young families. They're like, well, we're just getting started. We're just starting our lives. But I mean, no one plans, you one plans for that to happen. So you got to plan for what could possibly happen. You just never know. Exactly. And I guess besides that, you were inspired. I think it's really commendable that you took this like really commendable that you took this, you know, kind of tragedy and turned it into something kind of beautiful to also help people. Why were you inspired or motivated to write down some of your thoughts and feelings and then share it with the world in terms of like, here are some things that I learned to improve my life after this, you know, terrible thing that happened to me.

Yeah. So they are, they're, they're, you know, like in, in terms of like my goals in my life, I've, I've always, always, and I don't know why, I don't know if it was just this fair of not having enough, but I've always, you know, had the objective of being financially independent. had the objective of being financially independent. And that started as soon as I started working. So as soon as I got out of university and started working, it became my goal. And we worked towards it even before he died. And for me though, it was just like,

yeah, early retirement, early retirement. It was never about estate planning, estate planning, just in case somebody dies, right? And so it dawned on me after he died that that helped to save me in a big way. Because I was like, well, you know, we were almost there in becoming financially independent, even at that point. And I was just like, well, thank you, because we were not only still young, still starting a family, but my career was just getting off the ground

and building up to something that would have been, like I say it in the book too, in terms of becoming an executive and I was just on the cusp of that. And when I wrote that article, all of these things came to bear for me because it was like this aha moment where I said, oh my gosh,

it was because of this fore-planning and this insight and the foresight to be able to think long-term and to think ahead and be aggressive at it even at a young age saved me from this tragedy becoming even more tragic. And it would have been more tragic if those things weren't in place and if we didn't have those goals. And that's why I started to put pen to paper because I felt like I had to tell everyone. And like I've written several articles since then, where I've talked about for women, especially becoming having the goal, because I know it's not it's not like, you know, it's not an easy goal. It's not something that happens overnight. But I think

we all need to have that goal because I talk about financial resilience and financial resourcefulness a lot. I feel like in a situation where you face a setback or a life altering tragedy, you need to be financially resilient and financially resourceful and plan ahead to have those two things in place. You can take the time you need to bounce back,

take the time you need to recreate a vision in your life. It's very important when these things happen. And that was kind of front and center for me when I wrote that article. Absolutely. And just like going through the article and the book, of course, there's so many things that I think is probably why it's such a good book.

They hit home. They're very things that I feel like a lot of us have thought about before. Just lots of the things that you share are just so, they're probably personal to you, but personal to so many other people and things that I think we should all try. I know there's so many things that you wrote down. I'm like, these are things I've been trying to do for so long, such as I know, you know, ignore the naysayers and, you know, take time for yourself and life is short. One thing I, I feel like a lot of people struggle with and myself included is how

to actually put some of those, you know, great pieces of advice into action. How do you find the strength or the motivation to actually put some of those great pieces of advice into action. How do you find the strength or the motivation to actually live your life along those lines? Yeah, I know. And it's hard, especially when you're in the midst of a setback or a transition into something new. It's hard. And I think that's why I had to take a step back. After he died, I really had to take a step back and really rethink what I wanted for my life and for myself and for the kids

and to kind of recreate that mission. And like I talk about that a lot in the book about defining a mission for yourself. Cause I, for know, for me, it was a whole process of re-emerging and like a rebirth. And I had to do that in order to move forward. And so that's a big part for me in terms of, you know, finding a path forward

and it has to be aligned with values, with our values. And after that happened to me, my values became clear to me in terms of how I wanted to live, how I wanted to spend my time. I did not want to be forced into a situation where I had to be forced into a job where, you know, I had to be forced into a job or in something that I was happy with. And so in that mission, then that becomes the forefront. And that's helped to ground me a lot. And also taking that step back to

think. And I mean, you know, I could talk about the sabbatical and the article and the book, but it was a lifesaver for me because, you know, we get caught up in emotions of life. We get caught up in our day-to-days and we never take the time to reassess unless of course something like this happens where we're forced to do it.

But I think even in the absence of that, it's also good to take that step backwards, just to reassess, okay, am I at the place I want to be and how do I get there? Yeah, absolutely. And I feel like a lot of us, yeah, like you said, we get caught up in the motions and just the busyness of daily life.

And sometimes I feel like the people that I know in my life who have made a big change or pivot in their life, it's because something, a big event like something like this happened. I mean, even in, you know, my personal life as, you know, people have passed away, my grandparents has made me kind of rethink things. And, you know, my husband, his dad passed away when, you know, he was in his, uh, when my husband was in his twenties and we were together. And that, that made a big impact on the direction that we took in our own lives. Like that I think was a big trigger in us deciding to, to leave our hometown and, and kind of do

something crazy and move to Toronto and, and just pursue kind of a different life. And you know, it's, it's, I think it's important for, even if some big significant thing doesn't happen to you, like it has for lots of others taking time to think. I mean, this is something me and my husband have started to reintegrate now is actually taking our weekends off where we don't work because we're both so employed. And it's so important to have that clarity and that time to think. And also, like you said, reevaluate or just evaluate for the first time your values. So many people

I talked to have never really taken a good shot, or maybe they just, they haven't had time to reassess what they want in life because they've been going through the motions for like 10 years. They're like, Oh, what am I doing here? Right. Yeah. No. And the worst thing is to, to, you know, reach a point in your life when you're looking back with regrets. And that's what we don't want. I think we want to look back on our lives thinking, yeah, you know, this is what I carved out and I was intentional about it. And so, you know, in the first part of the book, you know, you'll you'll notice that I've kind of called it like intentional life design because it's really purposeful and it's it has to be intentional and not necessarily just by you know

by accident but it has to be intentional in the way we live and the goals that we set. Mm-hmm and that sounds like too because I've been hearing a lot about that and I love that. I think a lot of people more are talking more about intentionality, which I think is important. I guess that kind of goes hand in hand with the idea of taking responsibility and ownership to for your actions and your choices, which I guess kind of gives you power too. Cause I think, yeah, a lot of people that aren't happy with their lives sometimes don't take the responsibility for how their lives have become the way it has become. Right. Exactly.

So there's another part, of course, you talk about in your article, handle a stressful event or personal crisis with dignity, which I think is also very powerful because I think a lot of us don't know how we'd act or react in a situation like that. What do you mean by handle those events with dignity? Yeah. So I had, you know, at the time he died, I was managing maybe a group of, I don't remember if it was like a team of six to eight analysts. And I had to navigate coming back to work, you know, after a tragedy

like that and, you know, knowing how and when to discuss it, thinking about my own personal barriers and my own emotions and how to navigate that in the workplace and, you know, whether it's a setback like this, or it's a divorce, or any other sort of family type setback, it's always difficult to sometimes know how to react at work and how to deal with it. And so that whole point, there are that life lessons dealing with that because it's hard sometimes to manage and to juggle both the personal and the professional. And in having a team, you know, watch me go through this, I felt like I had to really step up to kind of set the

example. And I worked on a case study with the Harvard Business Review on this. And there was an article around the case study called Handling Crisis at Work. And those were the things that we worked through. Things like, you know, just seeking help if you need it, talking to your HR department, knowing when you feel like you can undertake these types of conversations and really communicating that to those around you and being intentional about that and setting boundaries for yourself as well. Because it

can be very difficult and nobody wants to have a breakdown at work. But it can be very difficult to go back to navigate this and with your life up ended and having everybody coming and saying, Oh my gosh, are you okay? How are the kids and that continuously throughout the day happening? Yeah. So and you know, you'll notice from the chapter in the book that I cite examples of others who've been through something like this and how they've dealt with it in a professional setting, which I think is very important for those of us who, you know, in our professional lives want to become more successful, But something like this happens and you're

like, Oh my gosh, what do I do? Well, that's kind of speaking to that. Yeah, that's, well, that's really important. And I feel like, yeah, most people wouldn't, yeah, know how to act in that. So I think that's a very important lesson for people to learn. And I know you also talk about, and I think this is also very important in this day and age, not comparing yourself to others, but I think it's really important that you mentioned why it's key. You know, we talked about values, but also having a personal mission, which for me, that speaks to me, you know, very, uh, you know, personally, just because I've always tried

to from a young age and I have my own story, I won't go into, but I I've always had a personal mission and it's shifted throughout the years as't go into, but I've always had a personal mission and it shifted throughout the years as I've grown, but I've always had, you know, kind of like looking back, what do I want to have achieved or what do I want my life to look like, but having a, you know, kind of a raise on debts or like a reason why I'm doing what I'm doing, which I think is also so, so important.

Do you wanna kind of speak a little bit about why you want to share that? Yeah, no, that was very important, especially coming out of the tragedy. So I, you know, in life, especially, you know, for women, sometimes we kind of base these milestones on you know, whether or not things are going well. Like for instance, when we get married, we have, you know, like where we have a baby or we buy the first home. And when you go through a life-changing setback,

like I've been through, especially at, like I was 31 at a very young age, it almost feels like an amputation. And I remember seeing that in the book because I remember one of my late husband's friends saying to me, he's like, wow, it's like you just started the race and you just got like one of your feet just got cut off

and you can't run the race anymore. And that's exactly how it feels. It feels like for some reason, you're going to have to now drop out, so to speak. And, you know, I remember days thinking, wow, this is how it feels. And how do I move forward? I mean, how do I build back a life? Like, forget even the race? How do I even emerge from this? And that was

the only thing that could, that that really spoke to me was this having this personal mission. And the other thing about it is, and I talk about this in the book a lot, is, you know, we all take detours. We're on the road and a detour comes up and we have to take this other path and leave that path that we were once on. And for a lot of us, we look back on that path and we wish we were still on it and it becomes like the coveted path because it's the path that's that's linear without disruption and it's the path that everybody else seems to be on and you look at it and you covet it and you think yeah I'm on this detour that sucks and you, you want to get back on that path, but you can't. And embracing that detour is what got me through it, because I had to own it. And I had

to say to myself, well, you know what, I was put on this path for a reason. And there must be a lot there must be a lot of good that can come out of that given my age and the stage I was in and how do I you know Conquer that detour and I talk a lot about being a detour conqueror in the book too And and that's why that chapter on not comparing yourself to others it's so crucial is because you will have detours at different times and You'll probably look back on that path and think, yeah, you know, I wish I was on that path still, but you know what, this path opens up opportunities and there's so much to be learned from that detour. How do I

make the best of it? And whether it's with business or it's with a career or it's with some other form of setback or tragedy, it's learning how to make the best of that detour. And that not comparing yourself to others is like the crux of that whole lesson. Yeah. I know. And it's so difficult because I feel like we are trained to compare ourselves to others in that it's a way to gauge

how we're doing. Are we doing well? Are we not doing well? So in some circumstances it can be helpful, but in general, it's for my, for myself, it's like, sometimes I either feel like I'm not doing good enough or usually that's what it feels like. It's usually never a positive. Yes, exactly. So we need to kind of eyes on your own paper, really focus on your own personal mission, I think is the key thing, which is harder said than done. But I guess you've, it sounds like you've kind of also developed a way to integrate that into your kind of daily routine or ritual.

Like how are you able to kind of stay so focused on a day to day? It can be very hard to not get distracted or, or, you know, not lose motivation. Yeah, I know that's a good question. That's why I wanted to put forth this framework in this book because, um, you know, I had the time and to be honest with you, Jessica, like I did not want my story to be, you know, um, just grief. I wanted my story to be here's a framework that you can use to overcome any obstacle. And that has kind of been my guiding inspiration and passion since this has happened. And that's what's kept me in focus. And of course, like I have, you know, I have different projects like you do. And I started,

for instance, this website called the Modern Widow, and another one was Aspire Canada for mentorship. That came out of this experience as well, because when my husband died, I remember going to my kid's pediatrician and saying, okay, I have two young boys, what do I do now? Like seriously, there are no male role models close to me. And I remember he said, just find some male role models. And that's when the whole mentorship idea arose. But these things in my life are part of my personal story and they're so organic in the way they came about these projects, because it was just linked to what was happening to me at the time. I'm trying to fulfill that need.

And so that helps to keep me grounded as well, because I've put together this framework in the form of the book and now the personal workbook that's out, and as well in my personal life doing these projects where that's spun out of kind of this story and this tragedy and also having young kids and trying to kind of shape them and mold them in a way that I would want to, even in the midst of them losing their father. And so as you can imagine, like it's a day-to-day thing and it keeps me grounded because there's not a day

that goes by that I don't get questions from them in terms of, you know, like, what was he like? What did he sound like? What did he... And for each life stage that they're going through, I get those questions. And so, you know, it comes up all the time. And, you know and your mission, and which is something I see in the book too, is grounded in your story of self.

And that story of self is your life experience. And whether it's the highs and the lows, it's all a part of your story of self. And that story of self helps to really inform your mission. And because it's you and your lived experiences, then it's so organic and it's something that you continue to live because it's something that you've lived with and you continue to live. So it's, and the way that, you know you know, in, in the book and, and how the mission unfolds aligned with values is very organic to who we are and embracing and embracing

those experiences. Yeah, absolutely. So when did this, uh, happen? Like several years ago? Yes, this was several years ago that he passed away. Okay. So where are you at right now? Because it sounds like you have this book out, which is great. You're spreading your kind of your mission, your personal mission. I think people might want to know how are things different for you now? Things are very different for me now in terms of, things are very different for me now in terms of, you know, it's so amazing that when this happened, I didn't think about this amazing framework

that would come out of it. I didn't think about this viral article. I didn't, none of this, you know, like was on my radar. It was just all, okay, how do I even get through the next day? And so these things have happened that have helped to kind of give me the self-confidence to go forward. But yeah, it's the books and I see this developing

into more because I've gotten questions from people on parenting and I've been doing, as I do the podcasts and I do the AMAs and different with different learning communities, then I see opportunities for this type of thing to be broader and to help different types of people in different stages and life events. And so that's kind of where I see this going. And in terms of my family life and in my professional life, because I still have a professional life and you'll see that too, is that everything kind of gels together nicely in terms of kind of,

you know, my mission in terms of what I want to do with, you know, issues with financial empowerment, especially for women, which is really organic to my story, you know, and kind of this message around holistic wealth, which came out organically through that article too, when my editor read the article and read the first round of the manuscript, that's what she said. She said to me, this is what I'm seeing. Like I didn't even come up with the title.

She said, holistic wealth is what I'm seeing through these life lessons. And it's just because of the times we're in and that whole need to redefine what wealth means to each of us and kind of what we mean when we talk about wealth and this is kind of the mission I'm on now and kind of helping others to see how they can realign their own lives so that, you know, they're not burnt out and they're not feeling exhausted and they're not working in a way that respects their values, but that they're feeling holistically wealthy in terms of both balancing their professional and their personal lives. So yeah, so that's kind of where things

are at. Yeah, awesome, amazing. And I know a lot of listeners listening are gonna wanna grab a copy of your book to learn more and take some action. Cause I feel like it's so, so helpful. And what I love most about it is it's, yeah, it is like holistic wealth. You talk about finance and protecting yourself

and becoming, being financially independent or going on that route, but also all these other really important things that are so key to living a good life. Because at the end of the day, money is just part of life. Just one element. Yes, just one element. Exactly. Where can people find more information about you and grab a copy of your book. Yeah. So I'm at KeishaBlair.com and that's my main website and people can, you know, reach out to me there, check out the resources there. There's lots of resources in terms of, you know, book discussion guides for book clubs, things like that. And on social media, I'm at Keisha O'Blair for Instagram and Twitter and Keisha Blair, author for Facebook. And I'm also available on LinkedIn. And it's easy to find me there too. But like I love hearing from listeners and I love hearing from readers and,

and especially for those who embrace that path of living holistically wealthy, it's great to hear from people on how the book has changed their lives. And I've been hearing from people as far as South Africa. So, oh yeah. So I would love to hear from readers for sure. Yeah, awesome. Well, I'm sure you'll hear a bunch more coming soon from this podcast.

Yeah. Thank you so much for sharing your story and taking the time to chat with me. It was really, really amazing. Yeah, no, Jessica, thanks for having me. And I'm hoping to come again as soon as I guessed, I hope I can. And it was great being here.

And that was my interview with Keisha Blair, author of Holistic Wealth. If you wanted to check out the original show notes for this interview, which I conducted back in March 2020, gosh, March 11, 2020, that was a scary, that's a scary date. You can go to jessicamorehouse.com slash 231. Make sure to grab a copy of her book Holistic Wealth. It was really a really great inspirational read. And you can learn more about her at KeishaBlair.com. And also all the different programs she now offers at the Holistic Wealth Institute.

And she also has a podcast and a number of services, but you can check that out there. Institute on HolisticWealth.com is where you can find more information about some of the programs she now offers. Now, speaking of my book, Everything But Money, so obviously Keisha made her way into the book. I quote her story to share it because I thought it was so inspirational, but I've got something really exciting to share with you next week. That's right. I've got a very special episode.

I have a character in my book named Andrew, not his real name, everyone in my book, every story is anonymous. I changed their names, their details, so no one can find out who they actually were to protect their privacy. But the character of Andrew in my book actually reached out to me to say,

I loved your book. I loved how you shared my story. I'm not done. I want to share more. And I'm totally comfortable revealing who I am and doing an in-depth interview on your podcast. And that's exactly what we do. So next week, I'm going to be sharing an episode with Brian Rump, AKA Andrew from Everything But Money,

to dive deeper into his money story, his journey of healing from some of the not so great things he learned in his childhood about money and just some of the trauma he experienced and realized he needed to let go of and where he's at now, which is, you know, luckily a much better, healthier place. And he wants to kind of share some of the things that he learned to get into that better place. So I cannot wait to share next week's episode with you. So look forward to that, look forward to that. And just one other thing, in case you don't know,

if you have read everything but Money, thank you so much. But also if you want to access any of the exclusive extras I made, I made it initially for anyone who pre-ordered the book, but now I'm giving you access as well. All you have to do is give my book a rating or review on like Amazon, Indigo, Goodreads, or anywhere else that you can do a book review.

I really don't care. Do you send me a little screenshot. There's information at jessicamorehouse.com slash book on how to actually provide me that information. And then once you do, you get instant access to all of my book extras, which include videos, audio worksheets, a bunch of really cool stuff. So that is it for me.

Thank you so much for listening and I'm gonna see you back here next Wednesday with a fresh new episode of the More Money Podcast. The More Money Podcast would not be possible without the amazing talents of podcast producer, Matt Rideout, who you can find at mravcanada.com.