Morning Good - LilNasXorcist: Stefani the Real Life Satanist! - Episode 20

Episode Date: April 11, 2021

Big thanks to Stefani and Marisa for coming on the show and being so nice, open, and educational! To find out more about Satanism, read the Bible and look for the bad stuff. For more info on The Satanic Temple, go to their website thesatanictemple.com.Also thanks to Ivan Bunster for coming on for the laughs and riffs. Find him on Instagram @ivanbunster to check out more of what he's got going on. As always, find Michael Good on Instagram @michael_good1125 and on Twitter @agoodmichaelThis podcast was produced by Paxton Fleming, you can find him on Instagram @yaboypax 

Thanks for the F-Shack. Love dirty Mike and the boys. Hey, are you dirty Mike and the boys? How you know who we are? What's this? They call it the podcast? Morning good. I love that.

Yeah, it's me with the boner on the front. Welcome to morning. Okay, sweet. So we're here with Ivan Bunster. Hey, everybody. Stephanie, we can keep the last name anonymous. Hey, guys. Who is a Satanist.

And Marissa, who's a friend of a Satanist. You almost forgot my name, didn't you? No, I didn't. I just had to make sure I had the right credentials. I'm playing with you. Yeah. No, I'm not almost a Satanist, but I do respect all religions and beliefs, so I'm open to it. I'm just hearing about it.

Perfect. So, it's been in the news. I don't normally start this, like, weirdly. I'm kind of all over the place today. So, what was your introduction to Satanism? When were you like, that's my shit right? there? I was honestly maybe like 16 years old. Oh, hell yeah. I kind of got out of the religion that I was born into. And yeah, I don't know. I was just into occulty like stuff. And I was

at a library and I was looking out books at a library and I ended up seeing a book about Satanism and I got really interested into it. So the parents are worried about heavy metal but they should really keep their kids out of libraries. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, totally. Libraries are the problem, man. Noted. No. Books. But it's funny now because like everybody thinks that like Satanists

run the world, like or the conspiracy theory. So Alex Jones thinks that you influence Hillary Clinton to eat babies. Oh, totally. Is there some truth there? What is the, uh, honestly, there's a lot of people that think that.

I love how you're like, yeah, what kind of babies? Like Christian babies in particular. How is she consuming these babies? Just eating them. Straight up eating them. People are like, wait, if the babies come from Mexico, then it's cool to eat it. It's like, okay, okay.

This is America. We're okay with that. No, but. Is it in liquid form? I'm just curious. It's adrenochrome. That's probably heard of her. Soiling green as people, man.

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was the question? Kid juice. Oh, so, no, no, no. I was just asking, because it's funny because right now there's all the crazy conspiracy theorists that Satan, this run. Well, first off, I think we're getting

ahead of ourselves. So, what does Satanism mean to you? So you read a book about it, right? Was it Aeton LeVe? Is that you pronounced the name? Yeah, LeVeigh. Was that like the book you read the first? I actually read a generalized one that I'm pretty positive was actually written

by some Christians because it wasn't fully what I expected. It did say a lot of things about like devil worshiping and everything, but when I actually did my own research about it, I realize that most Satanists don't actually believe in an actual deity. Like, they don't believe in a Satan or a Lucifer or any God.

But there are some that do. Yeah, because there's like, okay, sorry, you should hold the microphone a little closer. Sorry. I have horrible audio equipment. Because there's, like, there's theistic Satanism and there's non-theistic zanism, right? Yeah. So I'm a non-theistic. I don't believe in any particular.

Sorry. So you're, like, agnostic or atheist? Or? Yeah, I guess it. Because you're tech, I don't know how that. I guess it would be atheist. Like, I feel like I'm a little weird in the topic because I'm also interested in like Wicca. And I do do like different gods and goddesses.

But in the actual religion, Satanism, we don't believe in a Satan or a Lucifer. So Lil Nas is not a Satanist. He's a fake. No, he's not a fake. No, he is outstanding and I love him. He said that like as if he's going to listen. You're like, please. I hope so.

I mean, Lil Nas, come on. I mean, hey, you never know. No, but. Oh, I know for sure. He's not listening to this podcast. He's not. He's not like us. He really never.

He's like, please, Lil Nas. Listen. No, but I think what he is doing is just a beautiful representation of what Christians believe that Satanists are. So he's saying like, oh, I, I go against your beliefs. So let me show you. you what you think I am. Right. Like, I think that's what he's doing more. I don't think he actually believes in

Satan. I don't think he's doing any of that for any reason just to be funny and be artistic towards what everyone keeps on calling him. Yeah. Like, everyone keeps saying he's on go to hell because he likes men. There is nothing wrong with that and he is not going to hell because of that. So he just showed his own imagery. Yeah. So what is it that Satan is about? Well, non-theistic Yeah. So non-theistic, they usually look at him more as like the eternal rebel or just in generally the person that. So how the southern people see the Confederate flags? I'm just kidding. It's like, oh God, let's not get into that. That's funny. Yeah, more so like, um, like Satanism, the word actually came from like Christians. They, they did state that, uh, out anyone that didn't

believe in their God was a Satanist. So I think Satanist just took the image from the Christian Bible and just imitated it into what they believe. They believe he is something that would go against the big tyrant that would tell you like what to do. And he was just like, no, I don't want to do that. So we're just, it's like a spiritual meaning of just we believe we shouldn't really be restricted behind like specific morals. Right. So you're like the libertarian. Yeah. You just use the back. Yeah.

Like my particular sector of Satanism is the temple of Satan. You know, I'm kind of on board with this now. So the Satanic temple. Okay. Yeah. The Satanic Temple is the part that I'm actually a member of. And they're the only Satanist group that I actually am knowledgeable about that is fully in politics. They don't believe that.

like if America is a state that does not separate church and state much at all, they believe that if we're a real religion, then we should have rights to our own body and our own lives the way that other religions do as well. Right, right. So tied to politics, it sounded like, it sounded like you're like, we are the ones behind.

We're totally not exclusive here, guys. They do control the media. Yes, Pizza Gate was real, guys. Yeah. No, I don't really believe that. No, of course. But yeah, no, we're just more involved in politics. We just believe that everyone should be equal.

Everyone should be treated equally. Like, I don't know. We're just very, very, I don't know. So Satanism is pro-choice is what I'm hearing. Super pro-choice, guys. Yes. I was hoping we'd be some good old Satanists. Some traditional Satanists.

I picture just like a farming Satanist. He's like, this is the new set. It's not what I was raised on. It's not raised on traditional Satanism. This is modern Satanism. That brings up an interesting question. Is there, are there, is there infighting within the Satanist religion? I mean, yes, I know.

There are a lot of groups that are kind of considered Satanists, but they don't want to consider themselves Satanist. There's like the temple of set, I believe. Like, they believe that instead of. I'm sorry. I hate to keep cutting you on. Isn't Set like an Egyptian thing? Yeah, I was about to say. He's the Egyptian god of death, if I'm not mistaken.

And they believe that he would rise every day with Ra and he would protect Ra while he released like the light of the day every day. So he believed that Set was the reason for a life, that he was the only thing that was keeping Ra from bringing day tonight. So yeah, like that. Like, it's, it's very interesting. Like, some do actually believe in different gods and some actually are more so. So it is, it's like any religion, like how there's just like levels of like how much you.

I will say I am, I wasn't an ISIS group chat of Satanism. So like I, when I got deep into it. Well, then. There's like, whatever the ISIS is of, well, maybe not the ISIS, but like I was in a group of these. Pentecostal, the Pentecostal version of. I asked how he ends up there. They're like, or the Westboro Baptist Church, like the more. Oh, my God.

That's such a lovely place. But it was funny because I was talking to these guys. And they're talking about like sacrificing, which I know is way different. Oh, so different. Yeah, it's like the crazy branch also of it. And this guy's like talking about how he's going to sacrifice animals for Pizzou, which is like a weird. Pizu. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. I think I know who he's talking about that weird guys. There's a vice documentary, but I met some guy who. I saw the whole thing. I know who you're talking about. It was like some weird, like, fucking binge I went on at 5 a.m. in the morning. I'd be like that.

I'd be like that, honestly. But I feel like that's a huge misconception, because most people think that, like, most Satanists are devil worshippers or, like, but, like, most are not, right? Or at least, I mean, I guess I don't have a percentage of, but, like. Most nowadays are non-theistic. There were a lot in the past that actually were theistic. That doesn't mean that they're bad because a lot of them believe that,

um, like Satan would. was actually like Lucifer Morning Star. Morning Star means like the bringer of light. So they actually thought that he was the real good side of religion kind of. Oh, you're good. So then God was like the one tricking us? He was more. I'm agnostic.

In a way. They just believed like he's the one that has controls to his love. Lucifer is just the one that states you have freedom of choice. do you want to follow this man telling you to do one thing, or do you want to just do what you want to do? I've been kidding. Well, it's just, it's funny to me because so many people that I feel like are against Satanism,

if, like, this is a branding issue that Satanism is having a problem, because there are so many people in the South that would be like, I am on board with this. Yeah, don't tell you. This Satan has many things that I agree with. It's like, you know what? I can deal with that. Yeah.

Um, yeah. But there's, there's just been a few events in like history that have really made people view Satanism in a bad light. Like, um, oh man. I was like there was a, the satanic panic. They had a bunch of people. Right? It's a really cool name. Right. It's a really cool. Actually. Yeah. Like, they shouldn't have named it something so cool because it made people want it. But, uh, they, they just spread a bunch of lies on like the media and everything. And then, and that. And then. And Hollywood started creating a bunch of movies and, like, showing Satanism in a very, very, very bad light. But Satanism wasn't really a thing at that point either. Yeah. So they kind of brought it into light and created this idea. They were just bored. Yeah, they were just like, oh, let's blame all of our problems on an invisible force of evil. Satan.

Which is so funny because now the opposite. Now people think that Tom Hanks is a Satanist that kills babies. But it's like, why would they have all these negative Satan films in Hollywood? And then, you know what I mean? Why would they give bad press to their own? That's a fair point. I never were, yeah. It was a decent point.

Yeah. But what was the, you were telling me earlier, apparently there was like Christians that paid for anti-Satism propaganda? Yeah. So that was actually the satanic panic. What they did was, like, first off, the word Satanism or Satanist or anything, it came from the Christian religion. They would call anyone that didn't believe in their religion.

a Satanist because they believed in a Satan, and they said that if you're not for our God, then you must be for Satan. So... When did you start, though? Because Satan doesn't sound like a Hebrew word. It was like, I'm not super... Ninety-19.

I know in like the 60s, I think that was when the Satanic panic started, but I think before that, like way, way before that, they were talking about, like, they would call evangelistic, Christians or they would call like different kinds of Christians, Satanists, because they didn't believe in their, yeah, yeah, yeah, they didn't believe in their exact Bible. So what they would be, they would say is like, you're Satanist instead. But wasn't that like a thing, like, like, what was the Salem witch trials about that? That was also. Satan. Or was that, or which is different than Satanists or what is the? No, actually, there are a lot of Satanists that do believe in magic. Like, the Church of Satan is like Leveanism. They believe in witchcraft along with, along with, along with, along with their religion. So they believe, they don't believe in Satan.

They believe in the image of him, but they do believe in magic and supernatural things. So my religion doesn't really believe in the supernatural, but I do know Church of Satan does believe in that. So just to separate him. Yeah. Because I think this will help. So there's the Church of Satan which believes in magic and then you are the... Satanic Temple. Satanic Temple. Church of Satan is Satanic. Okay. Perfect.

So we believe in scientific, like, proof, like things that we can prove. That's what we truly believe in. And you're more like moralistically into Satan. Like, more like the freedoms of it and like those philosophical angles and less about, like, the higher... But I also heard... So there's Luciferianism, which is... Yeah. what people would call devil worship, like to an extent?

I mean, everyone always thinks that they're the devil worshippers. They technically aren't. There's, like, two groups. There's one of them that, I'm going to be honest, I do not remember the name of them, but they always had, like, images of, like, death and all these, like, different bad, bad views on them. But they also had the black inner circle. which was like created in the 90s, and that was in Norway.

Some guy created, like his own version, his own branch of Satanism, and all of his fans would join it. And he ended up killing people. His group of people also killed, and they set fires to churches and all this stuff. That sounds way worse.

When you said black inner circle, it sounded like a cool group of black guys that were saying this. I was going to say, but it was all neo-Nazis. It was all neo-Nazis. Yes. I can tell you did your research.

Oh, they were like neo-Nazis. Yeah, like apparently one of them was like a neo-Nazi. They all had this image of just let's, let's kill and let's be dark and edgy. So it was actually the creator of the band Mayhem. I don't know if you guys have heard of them. It was like a black metal. They were the creators of black metal back in Norway. But it was him.

And then he ended up getting murdered by his bandmate or something. Like he was a psycho. Yeah. But that created. Yeah, right? You know, too bad the person that killed him was worse than him. Yeah. Which is like such a small sect because it's like one guy.

Yeah. But because they were bandmates, they were popular, so people hooked on to them. They were like, oh, Satanists, they kill people and they burn churches. And it's like, there was just a few groups of people that ruined us. It's kind of like the way, like Islamic extremism. Like that doesn't represent all of Islam. You know, it's like, it's like 1% of all Islamic people. Yeah.

And every religion, I heard somebody bringing up this point where, like, every religion goes through its phases where you have extremist groups. So, like, there were, like, the Crusades. But, like, Christianity was around longer than Islam or longer. So they were went through that earlier on. Yeah, obviously still have extremist groups. I was saying as far as, like, the violent period was a different period. It was like.

Yeah, no, that makes sense. And it's like every religion goes through that phase where you're going to have, like, like super extremist that believe it to an extent that no one should really take it. And it's also, yeah, and just misinterpretations of what. Exactly. Yeah. So that was called wait so that we, just to like keep iterating. So we have the Church of Satan, which you're a part of.

No. I'm the part of Satanic Temple. Church of Satan is Levianism. Right. That's the other. They're both non-theistic. How many? The last one you mentioned was with the.

They're the black inner circle. They apparently believe in Satan and they believe he's just like the spirit of evil. but that's never really been a representation of them. So it's like they just kind of took it and made themselves edgy. Like it was just, yeah, a very edgy version of Satanism. So then I'm just, okay, so how many branches of the satanic religion are there? Oh, there's a lot. I'm not an expert at it, but I know of at least like 10 or 12 of them.

I know there are probably more. A lot of them are actually mostly inactive by now probably. There has to be some kind of like believers out there still. But a lot of it's like modern Satanism and modern Satanism, like I feel like there still has to be like at least 10 of them or something. Yeah. Like there's a lot of different branches that believe in pretty much the same thing, but slightly different aspects of it. Yeah, yeah. And even like I grew up like Christian and even in that you have people.

in the same church that might believe a thousand different things about that even though you know what I mean like in the same church you might have a thousand people oh yeah in a Catholic church who all disagree with the same thing yeah yeah you also said you're going on do you celebrate Easter I do not um I again like I hope your family you can see this no they know very well by now um yeah no I I'm just accepting of everyone so if someone wants to celebrate a holiday with me, especially family or someone I care about or whatever, I will go because that's what I do. And you're going to put adrenochrome in the Easter eggs. Yeah, totally, exactly. Just don't drink the Kool-Aid. But, no, but.

She likes honey-baked ham and chocolate bunnies, all right? Give her a break. Like, I will enjoy it for its pagan origins of just like feast and drink. Isn't that a huge thing? is. Yeah. All of Christians' holidays are all pagans. So my buddy, who is a Jehovah Witness. Oh, God. Jehovah's.

Yeah. So they don't, Brian King, he was on. Okay. Brian King. Yeah. Yeah. He was talking about how, like, they don't celebrate a lot of Christian holidays because all those Christian holidays have big, I mean, well, he's not Jehovah Witness anymore,

but he grew up that way. And it's like, all these Christian holidays that, like, most Christians celebrate are, come from paganism, right? Yeah. Yeah. So how does that all? I'm curious about how the paganism ties in. All right.

So I know Halloween is actually Sawin. It's like the day of the, like all hollows Eve or whatever. It's mainly like the day of the dead in a way. I know Easter is actually Osara. It's like the beginning of spring. It's the spring equinox. Like you celebrate just the beginning of new life. And, oh man.

Well, wasn't it started or like, wasn't it blended together because like in Rome, ancient Rome they had a bunch of pagans and then Christianity was becoming more popular and then I can't remember the name of the emperor but he Constantine became Christian and sort of like to like

merge all these people together like yeah he like he made the stuff all be the same. Yeah from what I'm from what I know that's that's pretty much it that he just he wanted different religions for what they believe like

the general consensus. So he was just like, hey, we'll just take this holiday and rebranded or rename it. And then America also took the same ones and then kind of rebranded it even more for like hallmark. Are you telling me, 4th of July is Satanic? I don't think 4th of July is anything.

I'm telling you, I think that that's what Satanism needs is they just need to hire an ad company to like come in and just like give them a new like, this isn't your grandmother Satan. You know, this is a new guy. TikToker kids like Spike carrots like hey what's up I'm Kevin so guys yeah yeah exactly and just you just get some cool Satan guy coming in you know

but you guys also it's so fun cool Satan guy but it's cool because like I feel like you guys also like you guys don't at least from my experience like you don't care to the same not like in a bad way but you guys don't care is about the public image as much as other people are like freaked out about yeah we kind of like rebranded the public image and was like oh you hate us cool Like, that's nice. Like, we, we like that. We hate ourselves sometimes.

It's cool. No, like, it really is just one of those things where it's like, I don't think Satanus truly care at all. And maybe that's why they call themselves Satanus rather than agnostic or atheist because it's a better image. And sometimes the meanings are actually a little bit better because you believe in something. It's not like you're saying, I don't believe in anything in this world. you're saying I believe in myself and I want to live for me and I want to live for others

and I want us all to just be like good and equal and shit yeah yeah that's a great and it's funny because I was I was starting to read through like the at least the Livay version of some of the stuff

and it was interesting because it's not never like you know fuck other people over but it's like it's not necessarily turn the other cheek too it's like a sense of like self-freedom where you're like oh somebody fucks me over

I don't have to be nice to people for no reason. At least that's the other bay answers. Instead of turn the other cheek, it's, yeah. Shake your cheeks on the devil. I've seen the Lil Nas video. I know how it gets. Just got to shake those cheeks sometimes. That is what I will say.

I love that, like, if you made a joke in church that was off color, people might be offended. But I don't think any Satanists were bothered by Lil Nas dancing on. Like, I wonder what the other version of it. Oh, we loved it. We were just like, yes, praise him. Yeah, yeah. But it was like if you had a Christian version of that and a guy like grinding on Jesus, they would be bothered by that.

Oh, yes. Right? It would be like, what on earth? No. So are there like satanic like church meetings or how does that work? Yeah. I do have to pee real quick. I'm going to listen.

I know that sounds weird. I have to go so bad. I will listen through this. I mean, we're talking about Satanic thing you can't. All right. All right. Yeah. This is the most satanic thing you could possibly do right now.

Yeah. It's just go take a leak. Sal, well, you had to cause a bit. I'm going to get some beer spill behind here. Like, my ass is what? My ass is most of it. So you guys have, you guys have church meetings or is this like a, um, you guys do Sundays? I'm getting now. Oh, we don't do Sundays. We don't do like, uh, you don't collect money. It's not donations and everything. But they do actually have congregations. Like, so we do meet up like the satanic temple. I know that they do have, um, I think it's monthly. It's, it's COVID time. So everything is very, where do you? We meet at the Satanic Temple in New York City or whatever city you're from. Satanic Temple is more new. They've been out since 2012, I think.

Okay. But what is it? Is it just like an office space you guys rent? No. It's like an actual church. It's an actual building where a real religion, like we've been acknowledged by the states. Crazy. Yeah.

We are a real thing. So we have like religious freedoms and everything. So it's like we have. Well, it's the only thing. only reason I ask about that is because most churches I know are like hundreds of years old or have been like built. So like with Satanism being like relatively new in the mainstream, like in my head, I'm like, where do you guys go to start a church? Yeah, no, we usually find either old churches or like old buildings in general that we convert to our own version of a church. Oh, I love the idea that you guys take it.

Which is not really a church, so to say. Like the one in the one in Salem. like to begin with. That was the first satanic temple that opened. And correct me if I'm wrong. Yes. But is Salem not a huge, I mean, for lack of a better word, I'll call it an epicenter. Yeah. Of Satanism, would you say that's true?

In a way, yes. Because like the Salem witch trials and everything, even in Europe, I think it was like the late or early modern Europe, we both had different versions of witch trials and they would state that anyone that didn't believe in God or anyone that did anything out of the ordinary, they were considered Satanist and they would be burned at the stake and everything.

So, yeah, Salem actually did. So they used that word Satanist against like the witch trial? Yeah, they would say, like, I don't know if you guys watched a movie The Witch. No. I've seen the line, the witch the wardrobe, but I was about to say that. That's completely different. It's even add on to what you're saying.

Actually, I think there's something ironic in it that there's hellish acts that went on there, even if it's the epicenter of Satanism or not. Yeah, like drowning somebody seems pretty bad. Yeah, like these are all dramatic things. There was one guy too, and he was crushed to death. I don't know if you guys ever read up on that, but that dude, like all he kept saying was more pressure. You heard about that? He was the only guy accused of being a witch.

He was like, give me more. For Halloween. I just thought it would be something. fun to do randomly. And I saw a guy's name on one of the stones and Giles Corr and I looked him up and he was crushed to death between two stones. And he seemed to like it from what you're saying. He was a little on the kinky side.

To admit that he was a male witch. Isn't that called a warlock or no? I mean, yeah, it's technically. I know it's not my word. Or they can say that. You can't say that. I'm not too savvy with the terminology. like I said, I'm just open to ideas, but I'm not deep into it, nor am I, like, an expert on it.

But, yeah, when I did read up on it from what I understand, he was accused of it. But these were witch trials. Yeah. He was the only one. I mean, technically, it's still, all of them are called witches. Some prefer, like, the manlier term of, like, Warlock or something. But, like, in Wicca and everything, everyone's witches. Like, it doesn't really matter what gender you are.

Right. So, yeah, I think, I guess Warlock would be acceptable. acceptable term. I think for about three days the guy was like he stayed alive for it under that well good for him I mean if you guys look it up Giles Corey like it was a crazy story on his headstone and like I just feel like whether it is an epicenter of Satanism or not there is something again ironic about the hellish acts committed there regardless by people that people yeah by about like Christians or Catholics or whatever it was that did this if they were saying like oh you believe in Satan let's burn you.

to death. It's like, oh, that's fucking dramatic. What I'm saying is whether there was Satanism there as an episode or not. No, it's still evil. There's still something hellish about it. Never mind. No, I know. I got what you mean. Evil about it, if you will, sinister. Something interesting about that. You know what they, we learned

in high school about this, they may have so they think that there was ergot, you know, so they thought there was ergot, which is a fungus growing on some of the corn and stuff there. I've heard of that, yeah. Which is, you use ergot to synthesize LSD. So they're thinking what happened. I'm listening.

It's like interesting. I'm a fan of LSD. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They think that like, I forgot it was whether the people that were murdering people or the people that were like acting witch-like were just like on acid. And then people were like, oh, these people are on. That I'd be what hell of a witch. Really? Really?

Maybe we shouldn't. Focus on Christianity. And they're like, witch. You know what's hilarious about that actually is. I go down a happy witch. So you know, like, how every time you see like an image of a witch, you see her riding a witch. boomstick. Yeah, yeah.

So actually what had happened was apparently back in the day, women used to rub broomsticks on their vaginas. They would rub it with like psychedelic mushrooms, so they'd rub it with something, and then put it inside of them so that they could trip balls essentially. So they depict witches riding broomsticks because they rode broomsticks. That's fucking hilarious. I don't know if this is 100% facts, but I, I don't know. really did read up on that a lot.

And I'm going to say it's facts because I love that. That's amazing. My whole childhood with like... Is that how it started? Did it some like white guy at Salem see his wife riding a blacker thick broomstick? And he's like, you witch! That's bigger than me, you witch? Yeah, no, I'm pretty positive.

That is what actually happened. That's hilarious. It seems dangerous. But I don't think it's say, Can you come like a political cartoon to that? They weren't satisfied so they wanted to rise something else. But yeah, no, it's just a lot of weird things have led up to now. That's the most interesting thing I've heard in like forever. It's a very interesting weird fact. Well, this isn't about Satanism, but they, that's, they would prescribe that to

women all the time. Like if they were like acting hysterical, they'd be like, okay, you need to do. She's hysterical. Give her a dildo. Yeah, they'd be like ride a horse for two hours. like, get on a bicycle. Electro shop therapy. That was a thing. Yeah, that was the thing. Well, I mean, if we're being honest, women seem to have a hard enough time coming in the 21st century.

Could you imagine them in the 16th century? It's like, boy, we need help. It's like back then, no, no, no, no. The world was all men. They definitely didn't please their women. Yeah. Yeah, they all had like wooden teeth. I don't know.

It all seems dangerous. They wouldn't what? Well, the guys that wouldn't teeth. I don't know. how people eat pussy with wooden teeth. It seems like an issue. Are you using teeth when you go down on your girlfriend?

You're talking about George Washington? Wasn't slaves teeth they found out? Yeah, I was about to say that was not wooden teeth at all. He told people it was wooden teeth just so he would not get in trouble. It was definitely slave's teeth. How are you performing conalinguists? That's what I want to know. I'm not.

That's a ghan-yong-y-hom-h-h-h-hug-d- That's a good point. That's a good point. maybe that's that's where this all goes wrong I don't know I'm I love I try to tie it together and I've no I know there's nothing well you know but this is by the way already been one of the most interesting episodes I've had by far yeah that hurts me considering I've been on three other episodes yeah he probably tells us to everybody you should have just met with it oh I just feel special now what kind of wing guy are you man yeah I'm playing I'm playing oh the screen went off is that

okay oh yeah it's fine no worry back because it's sleeping. Well, that was the thing. So you guys have a New York temple. Yeah. I wonder, so you learned when you were 16 about Satanism, right? Is it true that's underg? Yeah.

I mean, I learned, I started off with Libyanism, like the Church of Satan. That was just the most readily available one when I was a kid. Right. I kind of grew. When you were kids, it sounds like you were like a youth group, like a satanic youth group. It was a while ago. I mean. There was like a guy with a Pukashel necklace.

He's like, gather around guys. Yes. Acoustic guitar. About our Lord and Savior, Satan. Yeah, no. Wait, is it true? It's underground. Which one?

Apparently, people say it's underground. Well, then there's this dude that approached me one day and said it was, never mind. Oh, guy, she's trying to bang you. He's a temple underground. Come with me, then you'll see. My mom calls it a basement, but it's a temple. It's like, oh, God.

My uncle. Did he just call his dick a temple? No, I didn't call his dick a temple. Yeah, no, I don't think he knew what he was doing. He told me was underground. This guy was trying to lure me. Never mind. Oh, Jesus.

Never mind. Well, that's a story for another time. Yeah, I don't think you're luring. Guy was probably a Christian from the sound. There's a half. There's, yeah. I'm sorry, then. I thought it was relevant to the subject.

No, it was interesting. Wait, I want to hear about this now. Wait, so where did you meet the guy? It's like, so, what about this? It was actually pretty. but like, you know, granted, it was closer towards midnight, and the dude, like, came up to me with a flyer. And he just printed everything.

My underground temple lady. And he said it's underground. It's very, very, like, secretive. Wait, he was advertising the Church of Satan? Or the Satanic temple. No, he had flyers, you said, right? Yeah. No, he pulled out a flyer.

Oh. Right. I feel like we don't have flyers, guys, just to specify that. I don't think we have flyers. She's very unsatatatathing. Yeah. I mean, we're political. We're very in the media, but we're not.

This dude pulled out his little, it was like a little, like, I want to say a five-by. Come to my undergarden, like underground temple. And it just literally said, like, you know, Satanic Temple. And he said that it's like very secretive and it's underground. It's secretive? I didn't think it was secretive. We're pretty, I feel like we're. We have a Facebook page.

No. Yeah. We have a website of Facebook page and we're also on the news guys, okay? Oh, that's another question. Do you guys have holidays? I mean... Oh, good. So we...

It's weird. It's like different sectors kind of kind of go along with, I want to say, again, like, Wiccan, like, or pagan or neo-pagan, like beliefs. So if we were to celebrate anything, it would be like, Saoen, which is Halloween, which is Halloween, we would celebrate like the equinoxes, like the spring and the autumn and the winter equinox. Like, I don't know. We don't technically have holidays, but we do. Yeah.

Oh, that would be so dope. Yeah. It's more like the actual like pagan likes everyone. Like, hey guys. I would so come to that. There's a little paprika in there, all right? It's get spicy. Just a little spice there.

Pentagrams on it. What does the pentagram mean, by the way? Protection, no? Yeah, like usually. So each point of the star stands for, like, your different elements, and the circle, like, completes it all. So if I'm not mistaken, it just literally means, like, the circle of life. Is it okay if I ask you to go into the subject of how it's misconception for Satanism, the pentagram? Just, like, very briefly.

Well, that also goes back into, like, Hollywood and everything and also the satanic panic. Because, like, when that started, that's when Hong Kongism. Hollywood started creating like the omen and the exorcists and all this stuff. Oh, that was all my questions of ask. So yeah, that's crazy. That's okay. So that was like, like the bad publicity. Yes. So like that. Yeah, pretty much. It's, I don't want to say it was like, yeah, I don't know. I'm just going to compare it to bad thing. I'm just the blackface movies for Satan. I don't know what like, it was like just Hollywood's bad representation. But like, I don't know what, but it was like a misrepresentation of it. Yeah. They're like, they're like,

using it in a way that's like not yeah yeah it's like not kosher yeah yeah yeah pretty much they um they just i don't know they just took it and ran with it like the church of satan is like one of the most well-known like first actually like registered as a real religion and that was in 1968 so like the omen and exorcists came out like if i'm not mistaken before then or right around that time I think it was around that time. I want to say like 73 is the exorcist. Yeah, but then before that, there were also a few other sectors

that was like in the 40s or something where they're not fully considered as Satanist, but they are technically because of their belief system. So they don't want to consider themselves Satanist, but they are kind of in our realm, I guess. But they would just... 73 is the actresses, maybe. 73, yeah.

All right. So basically, they just took the images also like McCarthyism. I think it was. It was like in the 50s where this guy was just like, everything wrong in the world is about Satanist because if you don't believe in God, then you're a Satanist. And he kind of created this image of like communism and like all this bad stuff that could revolve around not believing in God. Right. Like God himself. And Satanism got all clamped in there. Yeah. And again, like we didn't create the word Satanism. Yeah. Yeah. You were literally.

saying the words for so many years that we were just like, hey, let's take that. Let's take that and go with it. And that's interesting to say that like somebody who doesn't believe Christianity, they're like, oh, we're all going to label you guys as Satan worshippers because you don't believe this. But then you guys are like, oh, no, but you're already calling us something with the word Satan in it, so we're going to do our own. Yeah.

It's like wagg people thinking back to him. We keep having this analogy. I mean, yeah. No, I like that, though. But, yeah, I guess that would be like a similar, like, comparison. I mean, we didn't create the word. Yeah, I was like, I swear. But, yeah, no, it's, it's weird.

It's just we never believed in anything negative. Like, we always just believed in specific gods or non-gods, but just, like, images from, like, the Judeo-Christian, Islamic, like, religions. Abrahamic, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Like, we took different images of what Satan or Lucifer or said or any of the other names. Bamafetz one too, right? Yeah, like Balesabub and like all these different, like demon-like ones. He's eyeing.

Yeah. He's like, well, someone. Way deeper than Wikipedia. Yeah. So Bamafet's like the goat. Yeah. Not like the greatest of all time. Like the goat.

Yeah. Bapheth. I was like, I know what you're. It's a Tom Brady. Yeah. So for my actual sector, the Satanic Temple, their imagery is really like Baphomet with like two children on his side and everything. And it's just, it's fully just an image of like the person that rebelled against the person that was just like, hey, fuck all humans. Let's kill all their firstborn.

Let's kill all of these people. let's commit mass genocide and he was just like hey you shouldn't do that to people so we just follow the guy that was like human rights rather than the guy that's like let's kill everyone that does not say yes to me right right so

who is like Bamafet like in like how does it in the satanic like religion like what is he so it's he has legs or is he male or female Baffamette yeah Baphimet

I keep saying Bamafit. Yeah. Five a minute. I'm sorry. It's like a Pokemon. Bamafeit. Bama fit. Go, Pama fit.

But, yeah, he's, oh my God, he's part goat, part human, part, like, demon. Okay. I don't know. So he's a Sagittarius. Not kidding. Geminized, man.

I love you. I love my Sagittarius. Don't take offense to that. Well, yeah, I'm not too, too familiar. with like the full meaning of him. But I do know that it is, it is again just another symbolism. Like a lot of Satanists do actually believe in like demonology and stuff like that. Like we believe in all the gods and goddesses and the demons and everything.

But we believe them in different light. We just see them as like if there's going to be a god, there's going to be a lot of them. Like we're going to respect all of the different types of them. I have a question if you know. Would you know where they got his image from? Would it be from folklore? I think it was actually folklore, if I'm not mistaken. Like, there's very old imagery of it.

You know, like he's very similar. Yeah. Yeah, no, that actually. I also know there was one verse in the Bible that was like, you could go with the sheep or the ram. Yeah. There's something like that, right? Like the goat or the ram is always viewed as like the dark one or whatever,

like the satanic eyes and all this weird stuff. See, that's the thing of religion for me. It's like one storybook around the world. There's like different variations, different people. So, like, it's just so many versions to listen to. That's why I was wondering, like, where did they get this image from? It sounds very similar to folklore. But, yeah.

Just curious. I feel like it was just all religions that were like, okay, well, there are beings like this one. So let's create our own version of the same exact being. Right. Like, Hades is kind of like Satan. He's like the Greek version of Satan. And just set is the Egyptian moment. There's no original ideas.

That's what I, Hollywood steals. It's Rip-op. Everyone steals, you know. So I just never know what to pick or lean on. Yeah. So they took the original religions or the original like cave drawings or something. And they were just like, oh, look at that. That's a god.

Let's name it after our own God. Let's say it's from our own place, our own color, our own everything. And that's our person. I don't know if it went like that. But I just know that different places give their own like version of their gods. Happened in a way. Yeah. Also, it's so funny.

They're like stick figures. But like back then everybody's like, looks just fucking like you. It's like that. That is exactly like you, man. I've never seen like a good one. I'm like, oh, that actually looks like somebody.

It's like, oh, it's a stick figure. And back in the day, he's like Bill. That looks just like Bill. Yeah, yeah. They're all, they must have been thin back. I guess they had nothing to eat. So like everybody's like,

yeah. They actually did look like sticks. People were like, holy shit. Yeah, we can't. Oh, yeah. It's like how many people died. Like another anterexic person died today.

Yeah. Another one bites the dust. Yeah. Yeah. We're like, yeah. We're like, yeah. I know, we're starving out of here. It's like, help.

It's like, help. Yeah. Watch. Oh, yeah, whatever. So wait, there's, so the bill, I miss some of this. You guys talking about this.

Okay, yeah. So the New York organization. So it is a location you guys go to. And you said you go to like, because of COVID, it stunted everything, right? So it started 12, but like. Because we don't believe in the religious aspect.

We don't feel like we need to go to a congregation or a meeting or a weekly ceremony that states that we still believe. in what we believe in. It's more like you could do whatever believing you want, wherever the hell you want to do it. So if you want to come, there's like weekly or monthly congregations. We get together. We, we just talk. We let, we let our thoughts out, kind of. But nobody's be bugging you like, didn't see you at Satanic Temple this week? What's that about? And you're like, I don't know, I was busy. They're like, you don't have time for Satan? Yeah, not at all. Like, you weren't wearing black when you came.

It's like, excuse me. You got to dress up for Daddy Satan. We'll give you a pass today. Yeah, no, like a lot of very bright, sweet, like, preppy people even believe in it. Like, it has no, I don't know, everyone always views it as, like, something that's dark. Personally, I like black. That doesn't have to do with the fact that I'm a Satanist. Like a stigma around it?

Yeah, that is a stigma. Yeah, that is a stigma. Because I actually know a lot of, no, it's okay. I particularly like black, but. Yeah, no, I know a lot of people that are like cottage corey where they're super adorable and bright colors and everything. And it's just like they believe in Satanism as well. So it's, it does not have to be a dark thing. It's because I heard it absorbs all colors of light in the scientifically.

Yeah, right. It's like, that's just some cool shit. One of the sunlight. Some cosmos, man. I have the kid of science over here. Anything else. I can't tell you about religion and stuff. It's so stupid.

When did, sorry, I didn't mean to catch you off. No, go for it. Go ahead. When did, like, it split, so... Sorry, the beers are kicking in. No, it's okay. I don't know where my beer went. I still...

I think one spill behind here, but... Oh, I hope I didn't grab the one. He came into the rescue with the towel, and I don't... Because there was two over here, and I can't find it. Speaking of drinks, though, I can use another one, but... What was I saying? So, it split off because you had the... Oh, actually, the thing I want to ask is, because your...

So, your parents... Do they know you're Satanist? So my parents are... I actually wanted to know this too. Okay. They're Christian. They're not super hardcore. Maybe my mom has some views that are slightly different.

My dad also. But I explain to them that I'm spiritual. Because I am. That's not a lie. I have also told them what I am, but they immediately are like, so you believe in Satan then? And it's like, no, but it's very hard to explain things to them

because it's just a little difficult to explain things to parents, to be honest. Yeah. So they know I don't believe in God. But you have told them you're technically... Yeah, I have mentioned Satanism before. I've also mentioned witchcraft and stuff. They understand that more than Satanism, surprisingly. That has a better rep for some reason.

Which is strange because there is black magic. Yeah, yeah. But I guess there is like the black magic version of Satanus as well. So I don't know. It's a little all over the place. But yeah, they kind of know. They just don't really, I've never really had a moment to sit down with them and discuss what it actually means to me. Right.

Yeah. It's a little difficult to explain things to people that don't want to hear what they don't know already. Yeah. I found the other beer bottle. It's underneath the other beer. Yay, beer. These hotel people are going to hate me. What are you doing here?

No, never mind. It's built. No. We're having a podcast. We need to get out of here. Excuse me, guys. We were really having a podcast. Yeah, sure you guys were.

Satanism. Yeah, I love what we're doing at a hotel. I was telling her earlier, it feels like I'm interviewing, like, what's his name? Fucking, uh... Oh, Snowden? Snowden. Yeah, it's like in a hotel. We're like, over not sauce.

But, um, what was I saying? Hey, we made the best of it. Yeah, no. No, this has been fucking awesome. My thing I agree. Yeah, it's been great. And my thing I was wondering about to, like, what are your issues with LeVe-Sanism? Um, I don't, I don't, I don't, okay, um, no, I, I, I, I kind of believe in magic. Like, that's not my, that's not my problem. Um, my problem is they, not to offend any, um, they're, they have like nine, um, rules to live by kind of.

Wait, can I pull them up? Yeah, I did a little bit of research. I have this. They have like nine laws and then like 11 rules of the earth or whatever. And in my opinion, first off, they actually do practice hedonism if I'm not pronouncing that wrong. Is that like having sex a bunch of people? What is that? That's like self pleasure, self-indulgence, like stuff like that. And they also practice egoism. What's the difference between he does? Well, it's not technically in masturbation.

It just means like everything that you. I mean, maybe actually. But it just means that everything that they do is revolved around the self. Like they will indulge yourself over indulging others. So your sect is more interested in helping other people? Equality and like making everyone the same problem rather than making it. Like Christian Bail in that movie. Oh my God.

Wait. No, no, no. Where he was having sex and he was watching himself in the very American Psych. American Psycho. It's just like, oh, yeah. Yeah, just the. Pointing. Oh my God.

Okay. So the Satan is like that. Yeah. Totally. So narcissistic Satanism. I'm all right. Like I don't want to use those words, but kind of. Like a new category.

Um, from a psychological standpoint. Like, I just feel like that, that sector is a little more like, like one of their things is like, don't, um, what is it?

Like, sorry. I got the, it's like live for yourself, but don't be a dick or something. Like, um, basically they're,

their whole mentality is like everything is for you and don't be an asshole until something happens to you and I I do agree with that to an extent idea yeah so it's just like turn the other cheek until they smack you and then you you flip the fuck out so it's like I don't mind that that's how I am as a human being in in regards but uh I like the fact that the satanic temple actually is more political, they make it a real religion. Because if every religion has their rights, why doesn't Satanism have its rights? Right. So they don't have agnostic rights.

They don't have atheistic rights. Like, we, as the Satanic Temple, actually do have rights. Like, if you are a member and you have, like, the actual membership card, which I do, if I go to a... Can I see it or is it for something? I don't have it with me. I'm so sorry, yeah. No, but... Let me hold you over to do a check.

Yeah. I go to doctor's appointments with it and everything because, like, I don't go and get abortions or anything. But if ever, if something happened, they do view the Satanic Temple as a real religion. And you have a right to do with your body as you please. Right, yeah. So. I do. That's fucking awesome.

I do. Because I am actually a real member. Like, it's not like a membership fee or whatever, but you pay for the actual membership card. one time like thing it's like 20 something bucks and you just get that card and then you can state that whatever you say to me you can't hold your religious beliefs against my medical health like this is my belief my belief is that everyone should have the same rights so she's in the medical field guys yeah exactly so fuck with me but I just appreciate that like I I feel like lovanism is nice and all but I feel like it was more when I was an edgy teenager um

it's nothing against them. It's just I feel like if you're going to be a religion, then you should have something in regards to it. Like, you should be able to do something with it rather than just say, hey, I don't believe in shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, hi. Then you don't have anything against Christianity or Catholicism

besides specific rules. I don't know. I don't fully have anything against them, but I have bad experiences in general with Christianity and Are he scared to your family listening? No, I'm going to give them the link actually. But I just don't want to offend people.

I try not to. But I don't believe that there is a higher being that we've never seen before that states that we should just be fucking awful to most people just because they don't believe in the exact same word-to-word thing that we do. Which some Christians would agree with. A lot of them would say, like, we don't agree with treating other people wrong just because

not our Christian. But there are the other side of it where there's, like, the right and left of everything. Are they Christian or open-minded people? Yeah. You know, because, like... Okay, never mind. No, I feel you, though. Yeah, there's just, there's good and bad.

Like, I definitely don't have a problem with all Catholics or anything of that type or even any religion, to be honest. Like, it's just if you're an asshole, you're. you're an asshole to me. I don't give a fuck about your religion. And you can't hide behind your religion to be an asshole. Yeah, you can't blame your religion for being an asshole either. Which I think maybe some of those like, where you're talking about, the bad Satanist

might be like, oh, I want to kill people. And they'd be like, oh. It was because I'm a Satanist. Right. And it's like, no. There was a lot of, like, killings and also, like, sexual assaults and everything. Yeah. Like, there was a lot of cases with that where they would do it for years and years.

And then they would blame it on Satan. And then when they would actually do, like, sexual assaults and everything. like real extensive investigations into the cases. They were like, there is no significant sign to any kind of Satanism. There's no, like, sectors that they were invested in. There's no books. There's no internet searches about it. They just seem to have blamed their problems on Satanists so that they couldn't have a scapegoat.

Yeah, yeah. Literally a goat. Yeah, literally. Bob and then they would have that goat. So, yeah. That makes sense. I was just going to read, because these are the Levin Satanic rule. This is the Leveism.

I feel like these just sound a bit pretentious. One of the rules is to not be pretentious. Yes, and which I find hilarious, because they're like stupidity is a rule. Stupidity is a rule. And I'm like, what do you consider stupidity? I'm sorry. Yeah, stupidity, pretentiousness, sloppelism. I would be a very bad levay satism.

I'm sloppy as shit. Yeah, same. Self-deceit? What is it? Self-deceit? Yeah, self-deceit. Heard conformity. It's like the basic stuff at Target.

Yeah. Like a lie, I feel like a lot of this stuff is just like what's in a Tony Robbins. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah. Make care of yourself. I mean, even from like Levainism, Anton's Anton's, Anton, yeah. His daughter created her own like slight sect from it.

Like it's still like the Satan, still the church of Satan. but it's like slightly different because she didn't fully like where her father was going with it. So it's like every branch of Satanism was just like, oh, here's where it starts. But I don't like these points. Let me just kind of like make my own of that. And because it's a new thing, it would make sense

that like it's constantly evolving. Because it would be like the first like 100 years of Christianity. I'm sure there's so many different things going on. My question, so you, a little bit about magic. So you do believe magic? You don't believe magic? So I believe in, I believe in magic, but I've been doing that since I was like a kid. And even though Levianism believes in magic and Satanic Temple technically doesn't, I don't fully associate that with my religion.

Right. Because they don't care. Like they're not going to be like, oh, you believe in magic? Well, get the fuck out. It's more like, you know, you could be your own person. So we believe in scientific like needs and scientific knowledge. but if you believe that, then that's you.

Like, that makes you comfortable. So could you technically be a Satanist and another religion? I want to say you can because if you're, if you're non-theistic, if you don't believe in any gods or whatever, if you want to go into another,

like, non-theistic, like... But you couldn't go to a theistic religion, could you? Because I guess that would be giving your power to somebody else besides yourself, maybe? Because the whole thing... Or not yourself, but, like, you're giving somebody else power

over everybody mentally or I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's, it becomes muddied like that because there's so many different kinds, but we all share the same goal and the same idea where we are our own person. We have to, we live for ourselves more so living for something else telling us what to do. Like you live your truth. You live your life. And as long as you're a good person and you hold like a moral code to yourself, then what, what else is that? You live your life. You're, to really care about. Like, you're still a decent person. Big deal if you didn't believe in.

Sky Daddy. Big deal if you didn't believe in. Wait, you say Sky Daddy? Sky Daddy. God. That's not. I never heard that. But, yeah, like, it's just,

it's just the moral code of what Christians believe without believing in the actual, like, gods. But, again, there are Satanists that you believe in the gods. Right, right. So, like, I personally am part of the Satanic Temple, but I also, I don't really believe, believe in the gods, but I do kind of dabble in it where it's just like, if there are all this knowledge of like Greek and Egyptian

and like all these different ancient cultures that had these gods that they had names for, I want to like recognize those and believe that they had some kind of significance or like relevance, but I don't think that we should be living for them. Right, right. Like I just think that if they existed, that's cool and I respect them but I don't live to appease them.

I don't want to my life is my life. If I die and go to hell, that's fucking for me. I will ride the pole down to hell. I don't mind. I find in every different person that I find from like a different religion, they say something very similar, just about another religion. Yeah. So like we have a Satanist over here, but I'll listen to somebody who's like a Christian

who's like, this is the only way. And so many people say this is the only way. way. Like, there's so many similarities that even in your differences, you guys are so alike, you guys have no idea. You have no idea, but. So we just kind of make knowledge that. Like, we see exactly what you're saying and we're just like, yeah. Like, every single one sounds the same. They're all based on the same kind of gods. Like Odin came before God ever did. And he was the same thing. He was literally in the sky. He was in the clouds. He was like, that was his heaven. It was Olympus. Like, it just seems. You know.

weird to believe in only one when they all came from the same places and they're all based on the same exact people. Yeah. I understand believe in like one powerful one. Maybe there's other like, because Zeus and Odin would be like the dad of all of them. And then the rest would be like their children and they're like demigods or their other gods, but not as important. Like you have yeah, like the brothers. It's like was it Zeus, uh, Poseidon? And and Hades and then all the other ones are just like different versions. One's for spring. Once for happiness.

One's for death. One's for this. Like a whole bunch of images. Symbolism. Like every religion really. Like even in Hinduism, like they have like the goddess of destruction. Oh yeah. You know, Greek mythologies.

That's why it just like. We got Aries and stuff like that. Christianity breaks down in the fact that like Catholicism has the saints, which are kind of like the same. They're symbolic. They're not. Yeah. I went to a Catholic school.

Yeah. Exactly. Same. They are technically magical, but it's like the images of them more like, oh, pray to St. Anthony, who's like the... For health and for wealth and for this. For like finding things, which is a weird thing. But there are gods that do that. Really and truly.

What was a... Sorry, my question was, do you have any, like, practices you do? Like, are there anything like mantras or anything like that? That goes into, like, the Wicca and not really the actual Satanism. Satanism really is more like, it's all for you. So if you need something to make you, like, feel better or whatever, then you do your mantras, you, you meditate, you live you. Like, you do what you can to make yourself happy because you're living for you.

You're here because of you, not for anyone else. So, like, people in the church. Okay, so people in the New York church, they're not, like, doing, like, a specific prayer or anything like that. I don't, not that I'm aware of, to be honest. And the Vaisa's, they might do more of that. Because it's all their website was like, they have, like, skulls and stuff like that. Yeah, like they're, I don't know, they're a little different. Like, there's like a membership with them.

There's also like... Did you get rejected? No. No. Bitches went on the end. Fucking assholes. Couldn't get that membership. You know, rude to day.

I just, I didn't want to like really pay for, like, I found church ridiculous because we would go every Sunday with my parents and we'd have to give donations. And the donations wouldn't go to anything, but making their place bigger and better. Whereas if you donate anything, say again, so to say TANIC temple, if you buy any of their merchandise, they donate some of the money to actual charities and real things that matter. Like we, we actually lobby and we do like politics likewise where we will stand up for things that are unjust. So I feel like that's, I don't know, that's different. No, that makes sense.

So do you think the country is leading, like, the way the country is going now with Biden is, I don't like to get too political, but just. It's okay. I'm very political. I'm very unpolitical, but I'm just going with. I'm only political recently. I'm very unpolitical, but my question is, do you think the country is going more towards Satanism or a way towards Satanism in your sect of Satan? This is a viewer question, so this wasn't, no, it's okay. I don't really

I don't want to say our world is going or America is going towards Satanism but I feel like we're going towards a section where we're not allowing Christians to scare us into believing that we're awful for not following their beliefs or that we're different or that like anything is wrong with us

I feel like people are just starting to grow up and they're like let me question this before I dedicate my life to a belief that limits who I can and can't love or who I can and can't believe in. It's like... Very diplomatic answer. Yeah. It's like we're not turning to Satanism.

I feel like Lil Nas really just brought out like Satanist beliefs in a way, but I... Yeah. Oh, God, those Nike's. When you said towards Satanism, what version? Because there's so many. I know there's so many. I'm just going off of viewer questions. Yeah.

Right. Like, so many versions. Like maybe non-phi is. like I would believe that because it seems like we could do more stuff like I mean hot getting legal it seems like it would be more about like doing a thing yeah like I want to say even like TikTok like I'm on it all day long and I see all these people posting beliefs and I'm like even though you're not part of the satanic temple I feel like you have the same beliefs as we do you believe in equal rights you believe in being your own person you believe in not having to

believe in one religion and it's like maybe they're not going in the in the actual direction of Satanism, but I feel like mentally, they are exactly where we are. They just don't maybe know about us yet or something, but it's becoming more popular lately. I love how there's going to be like, I don't have that many viewers, but one Christian

is just going to be like, well, I guess TikTok is satanic. I knew it. I do it. It's like, oh man, them Satanists are taking over TikTok. Tick-Tac. Yeah. Tick-Tac. I think that's actually, I mean, we're over an hour, so we're about to cut it out for that's cool. Yeah, no problem.

So do you have anything you want to promote, any website or anything like that, or any church, or like, whatever you want to? I mean, if you guys want, go to the Satanic Temple's website, read their views, read their, like, everything. It really is a beautiful mindset. It's just to live for you and to be happy, live in equality. Like, everyone deserves the same kind of care. We're human beings. We should not be different from each other. So.

Nice. Yeah. And I would like to add that if you're just bored, open to the idea of. Satanism, just curious, you know, looking at on this. Google search, man. You're on your couch, just wondering what to listen to next. You know, hopefully this was, you know, helpful to you. Yeah.

And your curiosity on the topic of Satanism. Just please respect it like you respect any other religion. Exactly. Or not as mean as the media likes to make us. Yeah, you were. It's so funny because, like, there's a guy I met online who's, like, very intimidating. He's talking about sacrificing animals and stuff. Yeah.

And then I meet you and you're like quite like you. Hey, guys. She's like very late back. It goes back to variation. That again goes back to like the black inner circle or whatever where they're just like crazy, crazy extremist version. Before we get out, because I know we're running out of time, I feel like even when it's not religious, like, there's just always bad apples in every group. And then people kind of like take it and just push the blame on that one person who like had just an episode. So we just being a mental problem.

We got like a hundred people that are bad and thousands that aren't. But that's it. Yeah. Because the smaller religion as of now, it's. It makes sense. Yeah. How many Christians could you say went crazy and killed people? And then you're like, oh, the person had you. And you're like, oh, okay.

A lot. A lot. Yeah, but exactly. And then Ivan? Follow me on Instagram. Ivan. You get to talk much, but yeah.