Morning Good - Martina Big: Transracial or Blackface? - Episode 3

Episode Date: October 4, 2020

We approached this guest with a completely open mind and had a strange and hilarious experience in doing so. We at Morning Good hope that you can do the same as well. If you would like to complain about the show's content, feel free to DM Michael Good. He's on Instagram @michael_good1125 and on Twitter @agoodmichaelIf you would like to complain about the show's quality, DM our Producer, Paxton Fleming. He's on Instagram @yaboypaxThanks for watching.

What's up? This is episode three. We do a Zoom call with a German model, formerly known as Martina Big. She now goes by Mylaka Kubwa because she was born white and surgically altered her appearance to become black. Yeah, it's a pretty interesting podcast. I'm going to apologize up front for the shitty audio in the post interview. So basically we do a pre-interview, an actual interview, and a post-interview. And the audio in the post-interview kind of skips here and there. and fixes itself a little bit, but all around, it's 100% worth listening to the whole thing

because it's fucking hilarious. I hope you enjoy it. Yeah, it's going to be called Morning Good. Shut the fuck up. That's a great idea. Thanks for the F Shack. I love dirty mic and the boys. Hey, are you dirty Mike in the boys?

Really? How you know? It's a bad idea. That sounds fucking awful. Yeah, I'm really excited about it. I think I'm going to call it Morning Good. Fuck that. That's terrible.

Yeah, this is welcome to. We're going to be interested. Got it pump. Our whole pre-interview is just going to be saying this is going to be... I'm just... I'm excited for the post interview because we're going to have so much shit to talk about. That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

The pre-interview, I'm more like... I don't know if this is actually going to work. Yeah. And not, not technically, like, technically it's going to work out. But I mean, like... It's going to be good journalism. I might put this on an application to, like, a grad school. Just be like...

Yeah, but what if it's so... What if she goes on some tirades? What if it's just so bad that we're like, I don't want to be associated with. That could happen to. Yeah, she'd be like, she could just use this moment as a time just to shit on the country and shit on everyone. It's like, uh, fuck. Well, everyone's shitting on the country.

Now I'm a shit on you. Yeah, when she starts lecturing us about. Is she fucking married? Like, what the fuck? Oh, dude, she's married. And her husband's black. But he's born white and he had the same thing. But his didn't work out as well.

So he's just kind of tan now. Like he did like the same surgery, but like his like, I guess didn't. Yeah, he's just like a tan fat guy. So he just realized like they woke up one. And they was like, all right, let me just paint our face or just make our whole body black. Well, interracial marriage is illegal in Germany, so he had to transition to.

No, I'm just kidding. Oh, shit. You were going to get the facts to me and I was like, wait. That would be so complicated. Why? You just fuck my friend. That would add a whole, that would add like a whole new level to it, though. What if you wanted to marry somebody and then you had to change to be the same

race as them? That'd be fucked up. What did you do? That'd be hard to do with some races. My girlfriend's half white, half Asian. I'd be kind of hard to... Yeah. Well, I guarantee you, dude, I think this is like the...

This is going to be a thing in the future. Like, I guarantee there's going to be... Transracialism. Like, as a thing, people do it all the time. I don't know. Wait, where's she living right now? She lives in Germany. Damn.

I thought she'd been, like, in Kenya or something. Because it'd have been... Imagine she's doing an interview and she's on top of the line. She's on top of a line or something. She's on top of a line and be like, hello, look at my country. Yeah. Like, bitch, what the fuck is you?

Every picture I've seen, because I looked at a... couple pictures of her. There was a couple where she was still, like, where she was in Kenya. And it seems like people were treating her pretty well. You know what I mean? Well, I think she kept on the hush, hush, me. She was like, yeah, no, I've been blacks this whole time. They were just like, wow, she's big tits. They were really confused. They were like, what the fuck? What did she do? Is she, like, donating to us? Yeah, I mean, if you're throwing money around, people don't care what you.

What are you? You're peeing? Okay, welcome to my village. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Like, dude, I can't, the Tits thing is one thing. See, I don't know. I have opinions on it so far, which could probably change. But I think it's one of those things where it's like, I think it's more of an either confused or like she said on it thing.

And like a less like, like, I think she likes black people more than all white people because she wants to be a black person. Yeah, but is that racist? You know what I mean? To not be like, oh, this person's this and this person's that. But then they're just like, you know, I mean, pretend like all of one type of person is better than another person. You know what I mean?

So you think she's racist against white people? No, I think she's fucking... I think she just racist against everything, dude. I think she just... I think her brain... I think that's racism to be, like, obsessed with fucking black people to, like, a weird extent to where you're, like, fucking... I just think she's bad shit crazy.

That's what it looks like. Like, I don't get how you wake up and decide to do some shit like that. It's like, who the fuck are you? Yeah. Yeah. I mean Well she seems friendly I'm just like taking her side of

Grants of him But she's friendly But she is friendly I mean there's probably Such a long thought process Well we're gonna hear about it So let's I'm ready to get it

I'm ready to get it I'm ready to do it And she realized like I can't go back I just gotta keep the prank going Yeah She's like it's gonna look really racist Every time she gets off stage

At like more years Every time she she's like Fuck I don't know how much longer I can do it I don't know how much I can take And her husband's like, no, we got to keep it going. We got to keep it with me. She's like, we went this far. She's like, literally.

We changed our last name. She's not even German. Dude, this is just Sasha Barrett Cohen. This is Borat, too. Well, imagine, like, you go to the doctor and she's like, hey, yeah, what kind of search you want? Well, I want to be dark skin. I want to be black.

And then Serge's like, all right, well, time out. What the fuck is it? Yeah. Yeah, right. She had to go, she had to go, she had to go, she had to go. It's not like she went to herself and started sticking herself with needles. Yeah, let's. You want to, yeah, we're about ready.

How are you doing today? I'm fine. Thank you. Awesome, awesome. So, yeah, so we're basically just being, this is Amos, by the way. How you doing today? Hey, Matina Bek or Malacca. Oh, what?

My Laca. My Laca. It's my African name. Oh, okay. Sweet, perfect. So, yeah, we just have a couple. questions to start out and then we can go back and forth. So, um, first off, just for the audience, not listening. So you were born white, correct? Yeah. Yeah. And at what age did you transition?

In January 2017, I got, um, so I'm taking part in a test medicine, test. So it's still in an approval fast. And in middle of January, 2017, I got three injections and a little bit of other treatment and since then I'm getting darker, darker. Darker. Yeah, you look definitely darker. Yeah. Yeah, starting from the first week, it only was the skin. But seven weeks ago, later, I can see the eyes changed, the eye color changed,

the eyebrows changed. The hair was first only growing darker, darker, and now the regrowing hair is African curly as a really African structure. Wait, so that's not, that's your natural hair? Yeah, is that on a wig? Yeah. Oh my gosh, wow. Wait, what's the name of the injection? Was it melanin injections or what was it?

No, it is a new treatment, but it is still in a roofment. So Thailand declaration is not open. Sorry. Oh, it's okay. So it's in, it's a Thai. Did you go to Thailand to get the? It's a test medicine, yeah? It's in it a roof house. Also, my husband, Michael, has got these injections on the same day, but he's only in Medio. So he's darker than before.

but he's not that... Yeah, he doesn't look the same colors as you. He looks kind of tan. Like it looks like it didn't work as well for him or did he get less injections? No, he didn't get the same treatments, the same, at the same day,

everything's same, but here everybody is working at a different. For example, they told us there are also albino people. They don't, they're only a little bit after a month. They start a little bit. It's totally different to everybody.

Yeah, because albino people are naturally much whiter, so it takes them longer to become black? I don't know if they go really to black, but they're... Just in between, they'll go to like... So they'll go to like peach white maybe? I don't know. So is this test, is it approved in the USA or what's happening? Or is it like an illegal test we just took? Nobody knows.

It's several hundred. That's awesome. Wait, so did it start for albino people? Because that would make sense if albino people wanted to get to their natural skin color. Because there's got to be, you know, there are black albino people that maybe would use this to become black.

It's for skin cancer. It's not going to do, it's not specially made for going white to black. It's for skin cancer. Oh, okay, dang, okay. Wait, wait. So you get skin cancer for this? no dark skin is more protected against skin cancer

and they want to produce a little bit more a little bit more than but for some people it works really well especially for me it works really like a good yeah definitely very black oh wow that's that's very interesting I didn't know it was for skin cancer well because is it harder for black people to get skin cancer I haven't met a black person with skin cancer yeah

so it must be harder for black people to have skin cancer. I'm pretty sure nobody wants to have cancer or skin cancer or but I'm not sure if I would have those injections to not get skin cancer. Because in the United States, I'm sure you understand like a white person who

becomes black, it's called blackface and it's very controversial. Yeah, they call me also blackface but it's because it's different in a, there are a lot of different people. So white people can, it is, they treated me also your black face because in the beginning farce, for example, I had blonde hairs, but dark skin and was, my mom teach me white things.

But in the course of time, I had to relearn a lot of things to make it match to my new eye. So it's only a point of view and a point of position. It's not really complicated. Yeah, which definitely. For example, a white mother and a black father, they teach from both sides, both directions and both opinions. And they know this is okay, this is not okay. So I have to ask, in the past, I was teach on the white side.

But when I'm not sure about the things, is it right or not, I have to ask my black friends, I'm just learning step by step. So I feel I'm black and I have a lot of black friends all over the world. And I was also in Kenya and have their really big fan base, and also in other African countries. But it's step by step. I have to learn what you learned from the kids' sides going to do. the youngs and to the elder old times. So you have to learn to become black?

No, no. But the problem is, you can't, the problem is how to explain who is, what is to be black. So everybody who's black knows what is black, but can you describe to, sorry, forgot your name, But can you describe your white friend exactly how it is to be black, how to live black? No, huh? Everybody, it is coming from the soul. And it's really hard to come to explain white people. Black people definitely have more soul than white people.

Yeah, a lot more. It's really, yeah, to look like a black person is different than to live like a person. to handle what behaving like a black person is different. So a lot of people write me emails. I want to have this medicine. I want to have dark skin. But they don't know. So it's like a movement for you.

Like you got people actually trying to hop on the train now. Yeah, a lot of people ask me, I want to have more tan or I have to want to be really black, but they don't know how to live like a black person. And for example, when I got started, I had to, every week I had to change my makeup. But at first, it was totally not matching to me. So every said, you are black plays. You had to throw out all your white makeup, I assume, because it wouldn't match.

I started as a really white makeup. And now I have the darkest makeup you can get, I need it from the U.S. because in Kenya, they don't have this dark makeup because the black, so the black people in Kenya dream to be more white. So it's really hard to get in Kenya black makeup. It's only for getting a little bit more shade. I don't need makeup, but it's male beauty.

It's a question of male. That is. So I have a question. My question is, do you ever forget that you transition to black and then you wake up? Because, like, I feel like anytime I change anything about my appearance, I forget I got a haircut. So, like, when you first became black, did you, when you looked in the mirror, were you like, oh, shit, I didn't realize. No, it's also, my first shocking part was when I was, so, three months after the injections, I had dark skin,

brown eyes, brown hair color, but still, a lighter hair. I was in a swimming pool. I think I saw you on Mori. Did you have blonde hair on Mori or did you have black hair? No, black off. Okay, it was a different show. I think I saw you on when you had blonde hair. As in Maori, I was already the African style competed.

Right, right. And that audience was very mad at you, I saw. Okay, yeah, yeah. So my other question was, so when you first went to become black, did you have, like, a picture of black people that you wanted to look like? Like, because when I get a new haircut, there's like a chart. When I got to the doctor, like Beyonce black or like... No, I want to...

When I went to the doctors, I wanted to have a dark skin, so tended skin, so more like holiday skin. But when they told me, we are experimenting with a new medicine that will make you dark, but we don't know exactly the shade, but we know it is safe. We know it will have no side effects if you... be careful, but we don't know exactly how dark it will be. And it's just looking how the body reacts and he wrecks really good. Yeah, wait, so you didn't, you had no idea how it was going to turn out.

Yeah. And this is the same. You could have turned out Asian. So, ask me the question, can you have babies? Yes, I can have babies. I will have babies in a little bit later, but they will be black. Nobody knows exactly shade, but they will be black. Yeah. So I have another question for you. So what if you, you took the medicine and all that, now what if you just keep getting darker and darker by the time? Like, you just get to a point you're just really dark.

Are you okay with that? Yeah. Why not? We have to say, it's not a question of color, how you live. Your life is your near head. And if you're, it doesn't matter, is you, are you a set, white, or set black. It's being proud and being happy

is in your mind. And that's the point that people have to learn. You can only make this good things if you make it by your own. Don't wait for making the other have to help me

help yourself. Okay. Well, there's a will. There's a will. Well, clearly, I mean, you were born white and now you're black, so clearly anything is possible. There's a lot of possibility. There's a lot of possibilities out there.

Yeah. What was my other question? Or the side effects. If you didn't follow the treatment, like would you turn like orange, purple, gray, blue? Nobody knows what's going to happen. So a lot of people say when you're getting medicine, they let say, or for example, if you're having breast surgery,

they have a lot of things to say it could be this and this and this. But when you're working with a doctor who's working with, deserfection and working really careful, you're not in danger. You can say it's really a lot of things making happen. So when I got and when I was a young girl, I dreamed of having a boob job. I dreamed in my younger young, I admired Pamela Anderson and Catty Rice in the media for having nice curves. When I got informed to having a boob job, I saw, oh, Pamela Anderson has with her enhanced breasts the same size that I have now in that room, I need much bigger

breast and those look a lot bigger than Pam Anderson. Yeah, way big. Yeah. It was funny too because I was going to point it out because you backed up. Yeah, I was like, whoa. Yeah, that's true. Wow. Aren't they the biggest boobs in Europe? Far away. So, the biggest breast in Europe is far away.

So I'm 900 millilitres and I'm breaking the boat record. And I'm going to, double the world record. You're getting them bigger? Yeah. You should definitely try to beat that real record. I'm all for people reaching these stars. If you could have the biggest boobs on the planet,

that is a world record right there. Now, when they pop, that's the question. Is it silicon? No, it's what, sailing. There's special custom-made saline implants. Each side is rated for 20,000 TCs, so 20 kilos each. only the saline

but they can be overfilled Do you have like back pains from it because it's a lot to carry around I don't have any back pain because I'm wearing two bras training every two days like it's like a marathon like the Ironman

I'm training your boobs you're training your boobs like it's a marathon yeah it makes sense my body my muscles my back muscles my belly muscles my whole body has to be trained yeah because I used to keep a textbook in my backpack and walk around school.

And that hurt my back. So I can't imagine carrying that. That's a lot. Are they toxic? Like, can it kill you? I don't think her boobs can kill her. Yeah. My other question, too, is, okay, so your husband also became, so he was born white and he became black.

That's a serious level of commitment. Like, my girlfriend's trying to get me to move in with her, and that is like a huge decision for me. And so your husband agreed to change his race. Like that, did he have hesitations about it? We have to say, we met in school and we are soulmate. So we have the same hobbies. We drink the same. We eat the same.

And there are only a little few difference between us. And he loved big boobs. He loved the change of my time. It's really interesting. Yeah, yeah. Clearly he loves big boobs. If you have the biggest boobs in Europe. or one of, right?

Second, but she's aiming for first. She's aiming for first. I'm rooting for you to get first. I want you to break that record. Absolutely. I'm trying to see, we definitely have some other questions. Let's see. So when you went to Africa, do you tell people that you were born white?

One funny part was I was shopping in the mall and there were, came two African girls, came in Nairobi in this mall, and then, oh, I need my handy. I need my mobile phone. There's a star. I want to have an autograph. I want to have a selfie. Her friend, it's a normal black African girl. No. Then she, no. Then it's a normal African girl. No, she's a star. And then she changed her mobile phone. She's born right. Then the girl, my goodness, I want to have a selfie. Right, right. Oh, so once they find out your... It's really interesting.

Are you a C-Bistar down there in Kenya? I have a lot of friends out, yeah. Sweet. And there aren't a lot of them. Yeah. So do you think, as we were saying earlier, so you've had messages of people that have asked you

because they, so you think, do you think more people in the future will become, will racially transition? And do you think that, like, do they're celebrities now that maybe like, I don't know, Do you think there's Eminem or like Justin Bieber,

one of them has to want this. I don't know, do you think that celebrities in the future will transition? A lot of people try to copy it. But like I said, having black color is not the same as living like black people. So if you go with a bad mind or that set, this set face outside, you get back reactions. And if you are looking like a cartoon or whatever, if your whole body doesn't match to you and you,

you can feel it. In March, I was still in changing. I had some African starting. So you could see the dark skin and the changed eye color. But I was not, I was on the search. do I going to black or still being white where I am I was not

finished I was not I didn't see where is my goal so I was somewhere between pink outfits dark skin but white hair but not really matching together now I'm I found myself

I'm wearing matching outfits for like For example, what really what matters is brown and, also, the Leo outfits. And then, also, black Barbie is an extra-gargarand curls. Now, everybody knows she's proud, and they don't attack me because they can see. I am a person who knows what she wants. Right.

Okay, that makes sense. Now, my other question, so you and your husband, your kid is going to be, black the doctor said, right? Yeah. If he comes out white, do you think your husband's going to think you were cheating on you? Yeah. No, so we both know.

So we are couples since school. We married, also two years ago. But since then, we know exactly how far is possible meeting different people, but nobody

of us, not he, not I, was changing to a different person because we laugh each other and did this really laugh from the first side. Right, right. Okay, well, that makes sense. Another question, have you seen the movie Tropic Thunder? No, sorry. No, oh my gosh.

I would suggest seeing it. It's a classic. We watch it after this one. Let's see what was their question. One guy that was trying to be a black soldier? Yes, yes, yes Yeah, some friends showed me some hearts

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a very popular movie Yeah, definitely very popular movie Wait, what time is it over there? Is it like nighttime? I'm pretty sure Is it nighttime, right? You do look a little darker over there Almost 10 o'clock. Light, not.

So 9 o'clock, 30. PM? Yeah. Shit, fuck, I'm God, kudos for you being up. Yeah. Wait, so the other question for you. I have a lot of fans all over the world.

I mean, mostly also. Yeah. So I know you're also, I read that you were a big Black Lives Matter activist. You're for, I could, maybe that was a miss. So I heard your big anti-racious, racist activists. So what are your opinions on that? Because some people think that what you're doing is racist. So that's got to be confusing if they're getting lectured by somebody who is doing something they think is racist.

So what is your, what is your, what is your whole? involvement with the movements. So Black Lives Matters, I have a lot of contacts via Facebook and the social networks, but in my area I live in a small town. It's really calm here outside. In the main city far away, Berlin, they had also Black Life Matters demonstrations,

but here in my area, it was calm, because we are open-minded. We have a lot of different color people living here and also a lot of visitors. for summer holidays, so we are open-minded. We don't attack people. Maybe that's the reason I grew up in the area. We are friendly to each other.

We learn from each other, and we know some cultures do different than, for example, my grandparents. My grandparents are a little bit more different, but the young people are open-minded. So it's much easier. Then, for example, in some places in Chicago, for example, there's much more complicated to be a black person than here in my area.

Right, yeah, because you guys don't have the same racial history. Because, like, in the United States, like, I'm sure you know about, like, blackface here. It was, like, white people would do blackface because they wouldn't let black people be in movies or in plays and stuff like that. And then white people would just put on shows making fun of black people in blackface. That's why it was, like, really. really offensive over here. Blackface jokes in Carnival. We also, some people showed me also pictures. Jimmy Fallon. In Carnival, there are sometimes that people change their outfits and their makeup and making fun. But it's not making fun about the black people. It's making,

it's being a different person and having fun on Carnival. It's not against people on the color. It's only the change for three days having fun. But if you have only these pictures and seeing, making these jokes, you don't know why they're making jokes. Right. Yeah, well, it makes sense there's different history. So, like, yeah, I would kind of get that a little bit. Because I heard, isn't there some Fest in Denmark where people wear blackface?

I don't know. I'm not from Denmark. Sorry, I don't know. Okay. That's okay. Now, do you think you'll ever transition back to being white, or do you think this is like fully, this is... I mean, you seem very committed to it.

At the beginning, they said it will be a hold some months. But if it holds forever, why not? I can handle it. All right. Yeah. No, that makes sense. So would you re-get the surgery if it wears off? So going back for my breast or my color.

I don't think the breasts are going to wear. out. No, you're going to stay in the same size. Your skin color. So if you go back to transverse it back to why, are you going to transition back to black? So we're really, my English is not the best. Can you a little bit slower?

So I was saying if the, uh, surgery you got on your skin wears off, are you going to go back and redo it to become black again? So turning back in time and changing, so traveling in time and making everything like this? Yes. Yeah. Are there any skin changes you would be against?

So, like, if I wanted to look more Asian, hypothetically, would you be against that if I felt Asian? Do you think that would be bad? Do you think that would be wrong? Or do you think that would... That's the problem. Do you feel the culture and the person who want to be? No, not at all. No, no.

That's the main question. Because in some emails, you can see, it's only joke. but some people say I can feel I'm born as wrong person So you felt you felt black at some point, right? You were like...

Yeah, so when I was a little girl of three years, I love to read a comic about an African elephant called Bimbo. And it was only a little comic but I can, when I dreamed afterwards, of reading, so my mom read the story, showed me this pictures, and in the night after, I dreamed

in color about this story. For example, Bimbo is worried about a big elephant who's drinking too much alcohol, so eating old fruits and being drunken. Is he eating? What is he eating? This old elephant, he did too much old apples, or something like apples, and if they fallen fruits are too old, they have alcohol in their heads. And they're really dangerous for everybody, for the elephants, for the whole people living there. And so the safavik drivers had to protect the other elephants and the people in the village. I'll be, I didn't follow it. I got a lot.

But basically is, then I saw this comic. I know it from. That's when you knew you wanted to be black. Yeah. Okay. That makes sense. But that was when you were kids. So there was like 30 years that went by probably, right, where you were white.

And then you were just thinking about it. Yeah. Just being, every step I did in my life was, was, took a long time to be well prepared. Because, for example, this big press on, um, nobody can go. this far without preparing. Yeah, I can't imagine. This size of breast implants was a search of really long search and also a doctor

who will do it and is it's a little bit experienced because this is the first set. This is in this size. You have to be really careful what's going on. And so like the Ironman, you have to be prepared and step by step. So slow, but with power.

You think you could have done all this without getting the surgery? Yeah. So there's a surgery, but the black color is different. It's not depressed, and the color are two different things. Right. So it's like you didn't get big boobs so you look more black. You got big boobs and then you also wanted to become black. Yeah.

Two separate things. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah. I want interview I thought was kind of funny. I watched one interview and you said you looked at white people once you became black and you were like, eh, that's not me. So did that, so did the way you viewed white people was it differently when you became black? Sorry. I just a little bit again, please. So I saw an interview with you where you were talking about how you were at a pool and you saw white people at the pool once you became black. And you said you saw the white people. They don't want to be black.

They're only, so that was the first, so they're born white and they want to be white, only they're only swimming there. But they compare between the steps. I, also, it was three months after the injections. I had the white hairs, but seeing the changes in the,

it's not only for the skin, also for the perth options in the body. So changing the eye color, changing the eyebrow color. And that was, the first step I thought, okay, this is not only attending, it is more. That was the point to get started, to listen to the people who said, you are blackface, to learn more about what exactly do they say it is wrong. What can you do, what can you, you need to learn more

about the new steps or your new life that is coming. You're going to be more, you're going to be more then only a little bit 10. You have to live. Like a black. Yeah, you have to live black. Do you have like a goal list where it's like these are the steps to becoming black or is it like it just sort of happened all together? Like because you said it's still a process, right? So you're like you're still trying to become more black.

But like do you have a set list? Like how do you break that down? Do you talk to your black friends and you're like, how can I be more black? Or is it like? No. No. Just talking about their life and when and meeting new friends. in personal, they sometimes ask me a question and then, okay, I didn't thought about it.

Can you help me to find that answer for me? Right. So the life is the less, is the school. Okay. Now, I have one question that's going to be very controversial. So we have a guest. His name is Tommy Jr. He's from Scottsdale, Arizona.

And he asked, can you say the N-word? Do you feel comfortable saying it? Do you think you should be allowed to say it? That I'm black. Yeah, no, the end. Like the N word. Do you think you have an N word past? Do you feel comfortable?

This is my question. The kid is totally fake. Somebody just, I made up a kid. So one of my friends have asked me, one of my friends who's black, he asked me to ask you this question. Do you know the controversy behind the N-word, that white people can't say the word and black people can't say the word? Where do you fall on that?

Do you? Ah, the word, nigger. Oh, shit. Oh, wow. Oh, I guess that's the answer. Okay. Oh, I guess there's, okay, so that answers that question completely. I was, okay, because the United States, a lot of people get very bad at you for saying that,

even though you're technically black. Yeah, it was. So it is, even if black people, it is the question of how you sounded. So you can see, even if in Kenya, they, um, um, um, they, um, they, um, they, uh, they, It's tricky. It's in all over the world. So it's not just America where that's a controversial thing? Yeah, the black people say, I'm colored. That's much more friendly.

Okay. Do you have any questions on that, Amos? I mean, it's hard to, yeah. There's a lot of trying to wrap our heads around this, because in America, this is like really taboo. All of this is like not typical. So has anybody gotten mad at you? Every country it is arising a lot of discussions because it's new.

And everything that is new, you don't know, you don't have a symbol in the past. For every step, the people need a thing in the past to know how I have to react. But it is new, so you have to decide by your own. Do I like it? Do I hate it? Or do I want to know more? That's the question. As a three person, I like it very much. I hate it very much.

Or, oh, what's going on? I want to know more. I think we're what's going on. Yeah, I'm trying to know more. This is very hard. Because out of context, if people told me there was somebody on my podcast doing blackface and saying the N-word, people would be like, what the fuck is going on? But there's obviously levels to the story and stuff.

We only have a little bit more time. Do you have any questions? I don't know. Just one thing for my side. I don't want to hurt anybody. Sometimes I know I'm making mistakes because I don't know it. Please take it as a young girl or as a young child that has to learn how to live his life. I don't want to attack anybody. It's my life.

And even as long they say it is not given to anybody, I will hold everything in secret because it is a really complicated thing if you don't know exactly. Is this medicine only for being, a lot of people ask me, I want to have one shade more. So in the beginning, I made pictures from the first week, second week, third week. And some people want to have only the second level. But they can't say exactly, is it the second level for you or is it the eight level for you?

So if you don't know, if you're at the 10th level. And so as long it is not safe for everybody, it is still in a approval part, it will be silence. Stop the week. Okay. Because you have to handle it. If there are any side effects, it is my problem. But I don't want to have yours problem. It is my problem and I don't want to hurt anybody.

I only want to talk with it. them and to learn. Right, right, yeah. And they're definitely, besides physical side effects, obviously there are side effects culturally, because, like, I mean, yeah, you got to deal with a lot of people. Yeah, I love of side effects. Yeah.

Because I have to learn a lot and I learn a lot. And even in Africa, there are a lot of interesting people. And even if it goes about having one food, a different country, having different spices, and they can have to eat it like this. So if even two black persons

from two different countries can eat one meal totally different and fight each other about one meal. So it doesn't, it's only in your mind. Okay, I missed that end part a little bit. But I'm going to give the last three minutes. Do you have anything to promote or anything to

any bugs, any songs, any... You did do a song, right? I saw you did a song. Yeah, I'm training the singing. So you said because your soul feels more black now. Have you gotten better at dancing? And training. Your training?

So will you be on the next episode of Dance with the Cars? African dances are much easier than the Germans. Let me, can I say an African dance? So I'm training with my Kenyan friend, Carol, called him a Laika song. So it's going to work. but it will take a long time because I'm more, I love to do filmings and to do interviews, but singing is a hard piece of training.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You want to give us a note real quick? You want to sing something? No, no. No, no. Okay, well, unless there's anything else you want to say, I think we're finished up for today, unless there's anything else you want to say beforehand,

anything you need to promote, or? Yeah, if you want to, know more about me you can go to facebook com slash model dot matina.com you can see more about me and get in touch

if you have any questions. On my website Matina big dash so matina dash big dot com. Perfect. Thank you so much. Tina big, I don't know it though. Yeah, it's coming back.

Dude, she was honestly kind of like a love She was a lovely person. Which I wasn't expecting. Yay. She was a lovely person, but everything else just threw me the fuck off. She was like, I woke up and I dreamed to be black. It's not a Cinderella store.

Like, what the fuck? She just like clapped her heels two times. Like, Jesus, fuck. I expected her to be like a little more like, like, like, okay, maybe I expected her to be more like combative to be like more argument, like, arguing and she was just arguing like how she, like, feels she's black. And that's not how she's like, like, it works.

Yeah, yeah. Well, she has very... Listen, I don't agree with it. I mean, just... I'm just looking at her like, Jesus, like... And then the fact that she's like almost a fucking midnight dark,

I don't be like... She's dark. That's not having... Oh, you might have to hold your mic close to. That's a fucked up-ass operation they gave, but that's a bunch operation I did. I mean, it makes sense that I get the, like, the albine...

You know, it's funny? I'm over there. I'm laughing the whole time. And I wanted to say, like, except for Bob Marley. Like black people don't get skin cancer I mean that's Is that how he died?

He died Yeah, melanoma Oh I think he'd have enough melaninus Yeah but he had a he had a mole I think it's a mole I mean But I'm surprised she could handle a lot of like this stuff It's actually kind of cool that

That they have that for fucking albino people Yeah because they're albino black people Yeah Because you got no fucking Melatonin or pigment your skin Melaninin Melatonin It's just sleeping medication

You got no sleeping pill in your system Yeah that's like too Yeah she had thick skin. No, no. She has... Well, it's filled with melanin, so it makes sense.

She literally goes on the camera. Her face is like this on the camera. She bags these two giant watermelons. Oh, yeah. What the fuck? Amos hit my foot when she backed up because you can see the giant boob she has. She was trying to go for my thing.

I think her shit's going to explode. Like, there's no way. I was telling you guys, I was trying to ask you guys. No, I actually, no, it can be toxic. Like, what? Her boob jobs actually, actually, like, fuck people up. Yeah, because, like, all the... Yeah, they go one, and then they turn black like the next day.

And if the silicone, like, baggage and her boot pops, then she's like, oh, fuck, dog. No, I mean, yeah, like, people get sick. Like, I know, like, I know people whose moms got fucking sick from their boob jobs and they had to, like, get them out. Yeah, you had to. And it fucks everything up now. Yeah, crazy. She's going to, dude, it's.

That's so gross, which friend's moms? What you're talking about? I want to know. I want to know. Do we know them? No, I mean, my. girlfriend's friends, her mom's. Oh, so you go with that excuse?

Yeah. I don't know who it is, so I don't, I don't have anyone to say it, but I know that's a thing. It's so funny, though, because everybody asks me, they're like, you should ask her if she could say the end of, like white and black friends ask me. Because I didn't expect her to say it. No, she literally just looked at me. I look, and she was like, niggum.

What the fuck is wrong? I expected her to go, no, because, and blah, blah, blah, because I thought, like, yeah, I thought she was at. She said it, she looked at us like, like, what? Step up. I'm saying What's the problem Is she going to hit me?

Like, I have a fuck you up. Bro, she sounded like a scientist the whole time. I was like... She did have like a Nazi scientist. Yeah. Bro, what? I can't imagine her just walking around Germany

and just think, like Arthur just saying hi to everyone. I can see her just like... I feel like it's so different. Like, I feel like it's just not... Yeah, well, I knew this German coming. He was a black guy. It was so funny because he came to the United States

and he was trying to talk about how much he likes gay people. he kept saying the word faggot, he's like, I love the faggots, they're so kind, and brave, there's a kind. And it was like, he just didn't realize that. That's offensive word. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And if you look at, like, even abolitionists from like, you know, but the way they talk about, they'd be like, I love the poor Negro man. Like, you know, I mean, like, you know, people that think they're, you know, there still could be. Bro, this lady really just cracked me up. Like, I can't believe what I just saw.

Dude, she was. The whole thing, because we thought, I thought it was going to be, like, hot riffs back and forth. And then I realized I'm like, we got ourselves into something that we don't know how to process. And I want to say some shit, but I was like, well, I can't say nothing offensive because like...

Oh, well, yeah, sorry, by the way, I, yeah, all I told her is we were not going to scold her and tell her she's a piece of shit. I didn't say we'd be like totally. Oh, man, I thought everything, because I couldn't process that she was still, like, right there in front of me with, like, her three shades, dark skin, coat,

whatever pigment she asked the operation for. Yeah. It is, she's about to have a kid. Like, you had a good, question. What if your kid turns white? Are you give him? And she didn't even answer the fucking question. She went all around the bus. She was like so as well, me and my husband

we nerdied to others in school and if we meet together we know cheat on Mike. All right, so is you a kid going to tear? It doesn't make sense that if you would be white. I think her because I asked you I was like okay if you're of course the kid would be white. That doesn't make any sense. No, no, the kids can black. How is that make sense?

Like I need to talk to the doctors. The kid would get sick if that happens. That kid would end up something if that happened. Yeah. It's like, it's not her actual color. They gave her medicine. So, like, I don't think that would be good. And clearly it's not perfected.

Her husband is. Yeah. And she also says it's not approved. It's not like that treatment. It's not approved everywhere. So of course in Thailand, they were the fuck. They're going to let you do this kind of shit. Yeah.

But like, geez, bro. It's kind of hard to process. Yeah. Yeah. Because she's so nice, too. You know what to say. You know what to say. So many different.

Did she not look like De Devedo, though. Yeah. Oh. He dressed up and he does black face and so he's sunny. Yeah. She looked exactly same. Martina Martinez. Well, the crazy thing is, her hair, that was what blew my mind.

Her hair was not a wig. Her hair is a thing. I thought she got, like, I thought she, like, got, like, a weave. That was, that was a wig. I can tell, like, that was not her real hair. There's no way you went to the doctor. Wait, so she has a weave? A wig.

I think a wig. That works more to her being black. No, because she literally, like, there's no way you get the surgery and they gave you that kind of hair. Like, I don't know. That would be a weird add-on. She wakes. She's like,

I woke up with most surgery. Also, yeah, that's not like, I mean, it's more likely if she was going to be that black and her hair was going to be as black as her, it would be like an afro. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that was like,

long, fucking wavy hair. You know what I mean? Like, if you're fucking... I wish she more to the baptize. I thought it would be so funny the surgery wasn't as good and she got baptized

and she comes up like white. It was like, gotcha. It was a reverse surgery. It's like a Baptist creature. He's like, I will make you pure. She comes out white. He's like, oh, fuck.

I mean for her to look at all. Yeah, well, she goes full Michael Jackson next. She just goes white as fuck. So it keeps the hair. The fact she wants to pick her boobs bigger. Yeah. Dude, the fact, everything about her is fucking insane. She's going above and beyond about everything.

And I like how she's committed. But I want her to stand up to see like, like, dude, she's got, and she was like, oh, I don't have any back problems. She has fucking back problems. She has, like, I went two bras and I use, like, a fucking extension cord to hold it up. Like, like, what? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, that being, okay. She still got some wacky stuff, but I liked her. Yeah, she was a nice person, but I could have definitely seen her like that just for a regular skin. Yeah. I was like, can you do all that without getting the fucking dignity? And she's aligning myself. I kept, she would say stuff.

And then I'm like, oh, wait a minute. She's saying. She would say like, she's like, oh, it doesn't matter if you're black or white. It just matters if you're happy. And I'm like, yeah, that's pretty cool. And then I'm like, oh, wait a me. my person would say. The race to

matter, it's like, well, yeah, because you're Like, that's easy to say. In the easiest race to be. So it's, yeah. And she said it's going to wear off eventually. So that doesn't make, so she just did all of that in the surgery to wear off for her to be back to Hawaii.

I mean, you paid her to be on the podcast. Yeah, I paid. When did she just got injections like a week before like she was turning white? She's like, I got to do this podcast. I got a fully commitment to this shit. Well, that's the thing too. It's like, I really.

I really wanted... She's going to be so famous in there. She has no idea how little people watch the show. She does not know what kind of shit she's getting in it. There's like a few people. 150 downloads. We got 150 downloads. Hey, it might be more than that,

especially because we had Miss Big Martina on it. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's good. No, she reminds me a... That's perfect thing, too, because always sunny it's Martina Martinez. Steve's character. It's literally like...

Yeah. Did she make money on that episode? Oh, it's always son? Yeah. She had to because they used her name. They would make... No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, no, the D thing was, that's totally unrelated.

Yeah. She did this 2017. So this was three years ago. That's wild, too, that she did that right after, like, the piece. That was the first black life matter thing. Yeah. It was like, this is. She didn't do this like in 2000.

Well, the way she says it, she thinks she's like on the front lines of, like, the movement. She said she was like, it sounds like she did way before. She was like, well, because and year three, well, I thought she meant like, I don't know if she meant H3 like three years ago, but she said when I was age three. Yeah. Yeah. She was like when I was age three. I was reading a book about an elephant. I don't know if she was like eating, she said something like...

But we don't know if there's age three black or age three. Yeah. Yeah, we don't know. H3 black is right. She was reading a book and she's like, well, I wanted to be black. I was like, I'm so proud of it because she was going off a fucking elephant called Bimbo. Yeah. That's what gave her to be.

The wild thing, too, is any time I've read a book, it's always made me not want to be black. Because in school you read books, you're like, it looks really hard to be black. Every book you read, you're like, geez. Like Frederick Douglass is shit. Everything you read, you're like, oh, my God. Yeah, I read narrative of the life of Frederick Douglas. And then I want, nobody reads a book and then wants to. Like, she read a book about an Aletabombo who I think ate apples or something.

I missed all of the Bimbo. Yeah, she kept fucking insane shit. I'm always trying to hear that. I could get it. Yeah, it wasn't make sense. And I was like just thinking I'm like, well, this lady does not know what she's talking about because elephant is actually gray. Let's get that right. Elephant is gray.

Not black. And also not a person. Well, that's what I got mixed up to. But then I think I listened to her a little more. And she was saying that I thought she was saying that elephant was why she wanted to be African. Because the elephant was from Africa. But then she talked more and she was saying that like there was a black one that fed the elephant or something. I think.

Right. She said the elephant was black. Oh, really? Yeah. I know. She's blacker than any elephant. Bro, no. She's really like that.

She's a blackest person I've ever seen. Yeah. And she's not black. And I was like, whoa, that's not black. That's, that's, that's... Even people in Kenya are not that black. That's not black. That's, like, spray me with a sharpie and, like, call me, like, that's not black.

That's... That's... That's... She literally looked like she was black-faced. I'm not even gonna lie. She looked like she was black-faced. Yeah, that's... I didn't know how it was a verb, but it got it is.

Black-faced. Black-facing. But it's funny, too, because, like, what was I said? Yeah, I don't know. You guys keep going. Totally forgot my... The whole theory was, if you feel comfortable with it, and you feel that you are that you are that...

kind of color, like you feel like you want you're black, then you're black. Or, like, you want to be Asian. Yeah. Well, the comments on our videos are like, some of them people are kind of mad because are like, you'll never understand discrimination. I'm like, I don't know. If you're white and you go to a diner and blackface, they're not going to be too excited to serve you.

She understands a different kind of discrimination. She doesn't deserve like the one from back then. But then she's also making money off of it, too. You know, I mean, like, she got paid to do this. She got paid for more. She got paid for everything. Yeah, but there's only got three interviews. If she really making money, though, I think she spent more.

more money on those surgeries than making money. Well, she said she's modeled. She's got modeling gigs, but who's... Oh, wait. Only mauling gigs. She looks like she could model for, like, natural ice, like the fucking dark version, Natty Daddies and shit.

There's no way to advertise. She might she get more money in that, though, like a big beer company. He was like, Titch. Crush up. Tits. That'd be someone.

They're just sitting there with, they're like, what is the, or ad they're like, Tiz. Well, hopefully. Black everything out. And just like, don't have her thing. Like, yeah.

Like, what? Hopefully this interview will jump start her career. We're in my apartment. We'll listen to this lady in Berlin, Germany, I think. Or she said she was like a small town, which makes sense. She's in the black forest. Dude, imagine she was in the town and everyone did blackface. They all did the same thing.

Well, you were talking about. She said it was interesting, though, because she was talking about how, like, because there was like a level, because if you think about how a So guys dressed up like girls all the times. I get totally different. But I think in a country like that where you don't have the history of blackface, it's like that's the equivalency of like dressing up as a girl for Halloween. Yeah, like I'm sure people do, I think people do blackface in Germany all the time.

They do it in, you were trying to talk about it. Yeah, there's some festival in Denmark. Yeah, where they're Black Peter. It's so weird. This is like, it looks like I have a camel toe going on. It's just going like that. Wait, Black Peter? What's that?

Black Peter, that's part of the festival. That's where everyone, they call it. But to them, it's like, yeah, it's fun. It's like, Zuz, we have a good time. Yeah, and there's probably Black people there that are like, they're doing white face. I would go, by the way, I would say

I would go to a white menstrual show where black people just up like white people. That would be fucking, that would be funny. But do you think, dude, I guarantee you it's going to be, like, I guarantee this is going to happen more and more in the future. Like, I bet you white to black, you don't think so.

I think she's a one and only person. Even people in Thailand, like, all right, we fucked up on this lady. Let's not do this shit again. I want to talk to the doctor that did it. Yeah. No, she was a failed experiment. Yeah, we got to get an interview with the doctor someday.

Well, Rob's heard for taking that risk. That's a huge risk. That's, dude, she could have fucking died, bro. She could have. No, wait, what about that? What if, low-key, she is like a huge act. She didn't say this at all, so I'm just totally filling this in. But what if she has a lot of black abina friends that are, like, and then she's like, they're like, we don't want to be the experiment.

She's like, I will take one for the team. I am the leader. I will test out this experiment. And I'm like, because that's kind of. Kind of the courageous thing to do. See, I think this is, that's great for albino people, but I hope that when they do it on albino people, they don't end up like her. Like, they don't end up as a- Because that would be, yeah, that would be strange. She likes that, she's saying that, like, she wants to be darker.

I think she did it anymore. Yeah, but her skin does not look good. There's no darker. Like, your lips are not supposed to be dark just like it. You're supposed to be like some kind of peek in there or something? Yeah. She's not getting vitamin D. She's got to take vitamin D supplements.

You will do a lot of true. He's like, hey, you know, actually, you know, my friend's a scientist, and he says if you do blackface, you're supposed to take vitamin D, and it helps a lot out with that. I'm like, how far can it go? Bro, imagine, like, if she was, like, actually, like, she was on, like, a huge podcast or something like that. I'm pretty sure they were just roasted shit out of her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know. It'd probably be similar to this, because it's like, you kind of run out of things that even say. I was just shocked. Like, just like, exactly like that. Just like this sort of thing. thing it. Like, remember when Squiddler was just ugly shit and he fucking broke his face and then he got it? It was exactly like that. Yeah. It's like, what

the fuck am I looking at? Just so everybody knows. I found this outside of the FSU art department and this is in my house now, forever. It's handsome. That's how to Martina Big original. This is actually kind of similar to what she looks like. Yeah, but like, different color.

We'll probably have to cut this part out. That's actually a sweet picture, though. Yeah, that's great. Someone just had it and they were like, if you want this, you can take it. And I was like, you know how it is. You did the same job. Yeah. Wow.

The thing I wonder is, do you think that they're celebrities? There's got to be a celebrity. He's like, I got to you, Justin Bieber does not want to do that. Justin Bieber, not, he would. I love how her husband, like, laughed in the background. He said that. Her crew, his crew would be on with his black face. Yeah.

Also, his wife would definitely. Yeah, but, like, at his house, though? I don't know. You think he does it with Haley? Is that a day? It's her role play thing I don't think That'd be a really weird roleplay

God She's putting on like 30s jazz music Just getting like real fucked up No I don't think You know I can see doing it You know I could see doing it You know I can see doing it Kim Kardashian

Ocania West I can definitely see her doing Her doing black face Some kind of black face Yeah God making a big point out of it Yeah I could be a big political statement Behind like the scenes and everything

Like, she's, like, because she's already, like, that's not her skin color. Oh, yeah. Well, a lot of celebrities are, like, kind of like, like, Ariana Grande is. Yeah, she's got past Italian, but she's like, no, yeah, it's where my skin's so dark. I'm like, I watched Victorious. You did not look like that. You were a really pale. Yeah, I thought, I thought Grande was like, man, that's actually a real name.

Yeah, which is. Kind of hot. Which is hot, like a bigger. Yeah. Crande. Should we wrap it up? You know what I mean? I said we go for like five more minutes.

Let's go. I think we've had some solid fucking rips the last. This turned out fun. This has been one of the most. I'm shocked. I'm just shocked. Like the whole time interviewed, I'm just looking at the camera like, you're like, is this fucking for real? Like, what the fuck is that?

Because we thought about it for weeks. There's weeks. I was like, I wrote all these questions down and they just disappeared from my head when we started the podcast because I was like, where do I? First of it's one of those things. It's like, it's so hard to have a point of view on it because she's so different. And so like, because she's so nice and friendly. She's like, yeah, I don't see this problem.

Like, we all need to come to get off. That's what. That's surprising to me. Yeah, yeah. Well, did you think she was just going to be like super? She's like, no, I thought she was going to be more like more disagreeable. I thought she was. Disagree with everything we say.

Yeah. And I thought she was going to be like, like, you guys understand. Like, this is who I am. We do not understand. I do not please inform me some more. That's what I'm saying. She was like, she was like, like, again. that it's weird, you know, this is just

what I think is best. And, you know, I don't, I, I, I definitely, uh, was not expecting that, you know, I mean, I thought she was going to be a little more, I, I didn't think she's going to be as nice. She blew my mind. I don't know, she just, her English was a lot better than I thought it was going to be. Yeah,

that too, yeah. I didn't want to say that though. I'm like, very well-spoken. For a German woman. Not, not for, not for. No, she also looked like she was a dude, to be honest. With this, because you have plastic surgery. and I think plastic surgery is the same operations that like people transitioning will have either going from male to female male I didn't see her face that much if you have a facial difference

no no no she looked like a full-blown dude she she didn't like like a human we might have to get some of this happen I mean she looks like it's yeah because her face is kind of confusing I mean when she first pulled up I was like what the fuck and I kind of looked around because she doesn't look like a black person that's the thing Oh, yeah, she doesn't. She looked like a black person. On more, she looked like a black person. I think she went deeper.

Yeah. Well, she said when she went to Kenya and she was like, oh, they thought it was a normal black person. I'm like, really? No, they did. She looked around. With this bit. Do you think she looked around and she's like.

And all the plastic surgery and shit, like, they were like, this is normal. What do you think? That's not what people are like. First of all, I think Kenya is a very black place. Yeah, it is. I don't know. I don't know on the scale. Some places.

South Africa, there's a lot of like, I'm buying people. Yeah. I mean, but some places are like, like, like, other ones are, you know, like, in like South Sudan. Do you think she, like, looked around when you went to Kenya, though? That's what she decides. She's like, we can do better black people. She's like, I'm going to go a shade darker, 10 shades darker than this.

I don't know, man. I don't know how that really went down to. I just want to see, like, I just wanted to see her husband. I just wanted to see it. Look at it. Oh, he hopped on for like a second, but. Oh, we should ask. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I wouldn't see. I would be. I would see both their skins again and be like, yeah, that's not look good. I should have asked how his dick. turned out. He's like, he just grow a couple of inches. He's much longer now. What if what happened was he walked in on her watching porn with a black guy and he's like,

okay, I will have the operation. He's not sure too. I will do it. Dude, do you think other people have sex with her? No, she seemed really pretty monogamous. When I heard, I mean, she doesn't have a choice. She's like kind of locked. Yeah, right.

It's going to be like, yo, no. It's not like you're going to find somebody that's going to be like. Yeah, for her titty's like, on the table. Yeah. Yeah. It's too big. Amos was hitting my foot.

That was so funny. He's just hitting my foot. He's like, dude. Dude. I was like, I see just like a giant pair of tits on the screen.

And then it's just backed up and I'm like, yo, all right. You said she has some sense, but those are like fucking. Yes. There's some knockers.

It's funny because I had Amos on for perspective so we could have like a black perspective show. But it turns out it was also a skin tone perspective because you realize how dark her skin was.

Oh, this perspective of what people more black look like compared to somebody who. Like she was not. Also because you're funny, by the way. Yeah. Yeah, I wasn't just like, yeah, let me find black, but no, no.

Because I'm trying to get you on the podcast like months ago. Yeah, I know. We talked about it back then when quarantine became a huge thing. It's a couple people have asked and I'm like, who's going to, like, break down? You know what I mean? I know some people that are really funny. And we know some people that, like, ask about it. But who's going to break down and kind of lose it once they get in front of the microphone?

I think that's some people. I think you're not, you're not one of those people. Yeah, I was right. I mean, if we had to sit in a table. with us and her, I would just be fucking giggling. I would be fucking lying. I wouldn't take her serious. I laugh for a while.

Like, why as soon as you were. I was holding in like this. My hands were on my mouth and I was like, dude, there's a couple times where I'm looking at the screen in your mouth. Like, you're not even driving around the joke. Yeah, I was like, wait, what?

Like, especially saying, I'm like, I can't have processed that shit. You're fucking on my brain right now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's so funny too. Because like I had just a list of questions and all of them just flew around our brains.

You just froze that because I actually saw her. You're like, well, fuck. I didn't think she was like this. I thought she was how she was advertised on Mori. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's... Final conclusion, do you think she's racist? Yeah.

I don't think so. I still think she... I still think it because it's a weird kind of racism. It's like the, you know, it's like the... It's the liberal racism. It's not the... It's not the we hate black people. It's like we're pretending like, you know,

that fucking everybody's on this pedestal and that, you know, like, we, I don't know, I don't know, it's weird. It's a weird kind of racism. I'm the only person I've talked to who thinks she's not racist. I think she's racist. The way she described everything

during the interview, I was concerned, I was like, yeah, she's racist. Yeah. She wasn't trying to be, but like, you could have done all that and be white. Yeah, that's what it is. She becomes Jamie Kennedy. I think.

And then she was in. fired for a boob job by Pamela Anderson. And who the fuck she said? I missed the second one. She said two celebrities. And they have, like, her, her presence was nothing like Pamela Hamilton. And, like, her shit's, like, beyond above. Like, that shit was, like, I don't know.

Well, that's a whole different. Yeah. Yeah, that's a whole different. I thought like a magazine was like, I want this in my body. I want that in my body. Well, that's a serious question. I wish she answered it more. Did she get a, I literally got a booty job, too?

Like, an ass of them? I don't know. I feel like you got to even an outlet. You can't have the giant tits in the. That's the, that's a giveaway. Somebody's like, that's way too small of an ass for a black girl.

She is for sure white. I just said to like, yeah, are you in black face? She's white. Yeah, it was wild. I don't know.

I had one more thing I was gonna fucking, you guys keep talking. I was trying to think of what I would say. You're the host. This is your show. Yeah, I don't know, because I still,

I don't, Amis, do any, I don't, I think she grew up a weird advice but gee i don't know man i think i think it's race i think it's a it's a weird kind of race she doesn't hate black people yeah it's just but she idolizes them in a weird way you can't just grow like you can't just look at something and it's like well fuck this elephant is black let's go

let me just i don't get the elephant thing yeah i don't get that she could have something better than an elephant but her whole idea and her the reason she was black was because of a book of a fucking elephant right so that that's that's stupid i thought i just can't get over the commitment of her husband to become black. And he's diving black. He's like, fucking. He told the doctor Loki. He's like, I'm not really into this idea.

Can you just give a cat of hand? He was like, I don't want. He last minute, he was like, ooh. I just saw my wife turned out fucking off. He's looking at the paper. He's like, he's like 500 cc. He's like, I don't know if I could. Because he realized it would have been worse for him.

He would look disgusting. So he was like, all right. So if me and my wife ever divorce each other, I'm still a normal person. and she's just her whatever she's a sick ass he's not a pretty good tan i'm gonna pull a picture of him real quick yeah he looks like uh yeah he looks like samsosa yeah he does look like they met in the middle yeah yeah yeah imagine her and sami's also going to the same doctor in thailand they switch on the way his color yeah my favorite part is she's like she's like yeah my grandparents

they sing differently i'm like yeah because they're old white people like they're old white germans yeah yeah yeah they're born in 1920 that means that's in that man Oh my God Yeah This was kind of Kind of funny We're gonna kind of We're gonna kind of lot of shit out

Because You know what make her famous If she actually made Or a host roast I heard just getting fucking Just roasted by every comedian Yeah That would make her career

That would see how Thicker skin is Yeah I mean she's She's probably fine With her skin She's probably God you imagine the DM she gets

Like the death rats And emails Dude I'm sure it's You know People are doing that To people that Might have said

An off comment You know I mean They probably think she did the fucking whole switcher-o-o-o-ish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're probably not happy about it. No, no, not at all. But, like, she's, I, I, that's fucking confidence, though, in a way. She has great confidence.

She has confidence that's unmatched. I don't think, I would, I would think I would, I would just fucking, I would have been, I would have been committed with it for a second. I'd be like, no, this is all the joke. I'm not doing this shit for real. Yeah. She was, like, very committed with it. But in that past three years. Yeah.

Three years is not a long time, though. I mean, give it 10 to 12, like, what's she going to end up. I think she's going to kill herself with with I mean not kill herself not suicide I think so I think there's got to be some fucking there's got to be some side effects got to the boobs to the fucking everything that's not a lot it's not a lot she can't live forever with all that yeah I thought me did you guys you guys noticed the African stuff well that also might do you know did you notice the African stuff she had like artifact yeah I wouldn't ask you about that but I was like still like

stuck on her she's like I go on Indiana Jones adventures and black face because of the artifacts I have to scout it looked like it was like a Like a mask and then like a sculpture or something. You think Dan DeVito try to contact her? What is Trumpet Thunder? Is that... She is literally Miss Hawaiian Truppock Thunder. Miss Hawaiian Tropics.

Hawaiian Tropics like a modeling thing. Oh, I don't know if that is. That's a good joke, though. If that's a real thing. You never wrote it for weeks. Yeah, she's a funny one. Yeah. And also racist.

Yes. That we conclude that. Abdel, you know what? Fight with me in the DMs? I still, I still, see,

here's the thing, though. I still enjoyed her. I think everybody is racist in certain extent. I enjoyed listening to us off. She wasn't saying, she wasn't doing racist shit. It was just,

she was just racist. Yeah, yeah. I think we're, but I think she was okay because in Germany, she probably, everyone's like,

yeah, ah, gig, just like high-five her. But I'm saying, if she was in the United States, she would have probably, like, end up,

I don't want to say it, But, like, she would have some problems because... Yeah. I don't think it's getting tough enough in the United States. She, like, walks in, like, south-centers. Like, fuck, stop my process. Everyone's, like, putting a mic down. Like, yo, wait, what the fuck this lady's just that?

I don't know. I think people... She definitely has fans in America. Oh, no, no, there's pictures of her in, like, the Hollywood time, like, doing lots of fun stuff. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, I think people, like, people are so fucking weird in America. Yeah, which really puts in perspective her boobs because, like, the Hollywood side is huge. It looks small as fuck compared to the...

I think she think people are with her, but everyone's just making fun of her, not laughing with her. I mean, she talked about it. She has like a, did you say she had a Facebook group with like all these supporters? Yeah, I love you. Because it's like, I'm so, I'm so divided on this because I'm like, on paper, I'm like, this is really fucked up and really racist. But then I'm like, I'm here and I'm like, I'm also part of like you do it makes you happy. Right. You know what I mean?

Because I'm like, that makes you happy. And you're like, I'm not happy being white. She's like, listen, I, these fucking crackers. She's like, I look at them and they're not. Yeah, but you got to, if you're not happy being white, you got to deal with that. You don't just fucking paint yourself black and pretend to be a black person. So, like, but yeah, that's what I got to say about her. That's.

All right. So we have, you think it's racist? You think it's racist? Which I totally respect. I'm the only person. I think she, she's got a good heart. And, uh, I think it's insanely racially insensitive. But I don't know if she thinks, I don't know.

you can't say that with straight face you realize that right no no no I don't think she's racist I don't get quiet I think no I think she really thinks black people are superior to white people yeah which I really does

I think he really does yeah that's a rap I think we got enough of shit there I think we got enough of shit there