Morning Joe - Fbi Takes Over Minneapolis Ice Shooting Investigation

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This was an attack on federal law enforcement. This was an attack on law and order. This was an attack on the American people. The way that the media, by and large, has reported this story, has been an absolute disgrace. And it puts our law enforcement officers at risk every single day. Media analyst and vice president, J.D. Vance, blaming the victim and the media following Wednesday's deadly shooting by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. We're going to bring you a lot. report on the latest there as the FBI has now taken over the investigation completely freezing out state law enforcement. Also ahead, we'll go through President Trump's latest comments on Venezuela posting on social media about two hours ago. It comes ahead of his meeting later today with U.S. oil executives. Plus, we will break down yesterday's House vote on health care subsidies with several Republicans joining Democrats on a bill that now faces an uncertain future in the Senate. A lot going on on this Friday morning. Good morning. And welcome to Morning, Joe.
Starting point is 00:01:11 It is Friday, January 9th. Along with Willie and me, we have the co-host of our 9 a.m. hour staff writer at the Atlantic, Jonathan Lemire. MS. Now, Senior National Security Reporter David Road is with us and former Homeland Security Secretary under President Obama, Jay Johnson. It's good to have you all on board this morning. Let's get to the very latest, the FBI, now solely in charge of the investigation into Wednesday's deadly shooting of a woman at point blank range by an ICE agent in Minneapolis. It comes, despite federal officials initially agreeing to partner with the state's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, a unit created, after the killing of George Floyd,
Starting point is 00:01:55 that reviews use of force cases. The FBI has cut off the state's access to evidence, seen materials, and interviews. Meanwhile, Vice President J.D. Vance yesterday defended the officer's actions and blamed the victim yesterday during a briefing at the White House. What that headline leaves out
Starting point is 00:02:17 is the fact that that very ICE officer nearly had his life-ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his legs. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile? What that headline leaves out is that that woman was there
Starting point is 00:02:33 to interfere with a legitimate law enforcement operation in the United States of America. What that headline leaves out is that that woman is part of a broader left-wing network to attack, to docks, to assault, and to make it impossible for our ICE officers to do their job. She was trying to ram this guy with her car.
Starting point is 00:02:55 He shot back. He defended himself. He's already been seriously wounded in law enforcement operations before. And everybody who's been repeating the lie that this is some innocent woman who was out for a drive in Minneapolis. When a law enforcement officer shot at her, you should be ashamed of yourself. Department of Justice is going to investigate this. The Department of Homeland Security is already investigating this. But the simple fact is what you see is what you get in this case.
Starting point is 00:03:21 You have a woman who is trying to obstruct a legitimate law enforcement operation. Nobody debates that. You have a woman who aimed her car at a law enforcement officer and pressed on the accelerator. Nobody debates that. I can believe that her death is a tragedy while also recognizing that it's a tragedy of her own making and a tragedy of the far left who has marshaled an entire movement, a lunatic fringe against our law enforcement officers. Yeah, a couple of things here.
Starting point is 00:03:49 The vice president using his position and the podium to say things he just doesn't know anything about at all. And also to malign the victim, this woman who is dead, this mother. And then raising more questions, actually, about ICE. So if this guy is so sensitive and the victim of a trauma, what's he doing out in the field? It's just a question. Yeah, I had... I don't understand what's going on here. He's been through an incredible trauma.
Starting point is 00:04:22 He's injured in that trauma. He's out in the field. And that's the explanation. He's trigger-happy because he's traumatized? Great. The Hennepin County District Attorney's Office says it's exploring all options to ensure a state investigation can continue. The office also said that it believes it has the jurisdiction to bring charges against the ICE agent. I think there's a lot of different legal avenues here to be explored.
Starting point is 00:04:51 But let's pull back. It's really tough to hear administration officials saying what they're saying at this time. And in part, it's to create a reaction, I guess, but also to sway public opinion about ICE. But I want to focus on what happened in this altercation that left a woman dead. as a former head of Department of Homeland Security, Jay Johnson. What do you think happened here? Well, first of all, it's important to remember that the victim, her name is Renee Good, mother of three, who's dead today.
Starting point is 00:05:35 I've looked at this video now maybe a dozen times, including at least six on this show yesterday. You don't have to be a law enforcement expert. You don't have to be a former Secretary of Homeland Security. to know what happened, to see what happened. Let's assume that Renee Good was there in an effort to somehow obstruct the enforcement of immigration laws. She was approached by several ICE officers, agents armed in a very menacing, aggressive fashion. Looks like she panicked and tried to veer off to the right, flee the situation.
Starting point is 00:06:15 and she was shot lethally three times in the course of trying to flee. We know that the trajectory of her car was off to the right because after she was shot, it continued and plowed into that vehicle on the other side of the road there. And there is no law enforcement training that I know of that says that when you have someone who is trying to flee a criminal situation, lethal force is authorized to kill this person. And what I also see here that is problematic is so many of our nation's leaders are prejudging what happened here, attacking the victim. Before the investigation is concluded, actually Tom Holman is the only one who had it right, who said, I'm going to wait the results of the investigation. Tom Homan is a career law enforcement officer who used to work for me.
Starting point is 00:07:11 And, Meek, if I could, the common thread through all of these types of. of tragedies is lack of training and de-escalation. De-escalation. So that's, I think there's a lot of legitimate questions that you can raise, and you can raise questions, I think, making these unbelievable and cruel conclusions coming from the White House is one part of the story, what's happening, and what's happening with the rule of law. Now, if anyone's surprised that the president is blaming the victim and the vice president is blaming the victim, just remember January 6th, they pardoned criminals who desecrated on the Capitol and threatened the lives of our government, our lawmakers, our members of Congress. So here we are.
Starting point is 00:08:01 And this was a situation that was weeks, months, and inevitability. governors and mayors from especially Democratic-led states were concerned about this, but this was a situation that was intentionally created, one could argue. Back down to the granular, Jonathan Lemire, the questions that we can ask at this moment is, is it protocol to shoot at a moving vehicle at close range? Is it protocol to take the steps to move quickly toward a car and try and enter it? are there things that we can look at and then look at the laws and regulations for acting as an ICE officer and see if any of those protocols were broken through?
Starting point is 00:08:51 Yeah, I mean, we had some former law enforcement officials on our show yesterday, including a former acting head of ICE, who said that other officers moved, to walk up to the car and suddenly aggressively grabbed for the door handle, you know, was not necessary and seemed to trigger a lot of what we saw right after. clearly spooked the driver inside. We also, of course, and we should reiterate this, that we have video we looked at yesterday about how after she was shot, ICE agents prevented a neighbor who said he was a physician from going over to inspect. That's a huge one. So that's David Rode. We want to be here. I wanted to ask you about that caught a lot of attention
Starting point is 00:09:31 yesterday, and including from the vice president, was that the feds are going to run this investigation and are blocking state and local officials from access to, it seems like, evidence and the like. Talk to us about what you know about that decision. How unusual is it? Because certainly those in Minnesota were deeply alarmed. It's very unusual. And I think politically it's a mistake. It's going to cause more suspicion, more fear of a cover-up, more questions. And when you see law enforcement after any kind of tragedy at its best, It's these transparent press conferences, the killing of Charlie Kirk, the shooting at Brown University, where they're getting out and publicly saying what they know. And the point is to be as open as possible to try to get the public to trust law enforcement. If ICE wanted some public trust, you would want to be more transparent. At least that's, you know, you know better than IJ. But it's very unusual because every one of the instance I just mentioned, there's always local law enforcement. There were local officials in Utah who played a key role in finding Charlie Kirk's accused kill. And so this is just very strange.
Starting point is 00:10:35 The shooting in the school, the Catholic School Church in Minneapolis that happened several months ago. Again, it was a joint investigation. That just happens over and over again. But politically, this is a mistake. I hate in this tragic moment to mention also the Epstein files. Right. But this administration, this Justice Department, this FBI should know, trust me from them, hasn't worked very well politically. Absolutely not.
Starting point is 00:11:01 And again, I take it from part. the January 6 rioters to everything leading up to this moment, trust is on a minimum, Willie. Yeah, and the vice president suggested yesterday during that news briefing that this ICE agent would have immunity in this case because of the context of the shooting. Again, jumping to all kinds of conclusions before an investigation, even has begun and even suggesting that this woman is part of a, quote, broader left-wing network. He was pressed on that by a reporter and couldn't explain what he meant by that. He just assumed that she was part of something
Starting point is 00:11:34 and therefore, I guess, deserved to be shot in the face as she was driving away. Meanwhile, protests continue for a second day across the country where people voiced outrage over the shooting and called for ICE to leave their cities. Demonstrations taking place in Boston, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Cleveland. Communities also held vigils
Starting point is 00:11:52 to honor the life of the victim, Renee Nicole Good. The Trump administration deployed about 500 edition. agents to Minnesota, adding to the roughly 2,000 DHS personnel already on the ground. Governor Tim Walz of Minnesota has placed the National Guard on standby, ready to help police to keep those demonstrations peaceful, which they have been to this point. Joining us now live from Minneapolis, MS Now reporter Namdi Iganwu. Namdi, good morning.
Starting point is 00:12:23 Good morning, really. You know, a very active scene this morning outside of the street where the shooting, took place a couple days ago. As you can see, there's a big police presence here. One thing we've observed over the last two days is protesters had essentially made the street where the shooting took place a sanctuary. They created barricades, makeshift barricades using pieces of wood, chairs, even lime scooters to cordon off the street. And I'd had vigils there, demonstrators would frequently come. They were passing out pizza and coffee. People would come drive hours just to pay their respects and see where this shooting took place. Well,
Starting point is 00:13:02 That changed this morning. We saw dozens of city police arrive here and throw a lot of those materials into a dump truck that just left moments ago. What we were told is that there was at least one instance of emergency crews trying to access that street and they were denied by protesters. That's the fact that at least one protester acknowledged to us today when we asked about it. So there was what we were told, a legal obligation by the city to clear this route and make sure that it was accessible. But it comes as, like you mentioned, protests have continued overnight here. And these protesters, I have to tell you, are upset. Among the things they're upset about is the rust to judgment you all just referenced from the vice president. There's a lot of people upset that the state, that there's an attempt to sideline the state in this investigation.
Starting point is 00:13:49 And there's a lot of people upset about what we saw after that shooting on Wednesday when we saw ICE agents go to a local high school here. Even though the Department of Homeland Security have clarified that those agents didn't enter the school, but they made an arrest outside of the school. And the timing of that arrest coincided with when dismissal happened. So students were caught in the fray. Teachers were caught in the fray. We know at least one educator was arrested. And that resulted in classes being canceled at least until Monday. The effect that's had is we've seen a lot of people, a lot of young people, specifically at these demonstrations lately, including one high schooler.
Starting point is 00:14:25 I spoke to yesterday that I went to Roosevelt High School. I want to play for you what she told me about how what she saw that day inspired her to join protest. It's just disgusting and it's just so like dehumanizing to those people and like there are friends and like I go to school with like there's a huge Somali population at Roosevelt High School which is where I go and it's just terrifying to see like I know that those students were terrified when I showed up to our school yesterday and I. And I just think it's disgusting. Governor Walls today, Billy, has encouraged local officials, regardless of their political affiliation, to condemn any sort of immigration enforcement effort at ordinary schools, Willie. Nambi, I just want to be clear about those extraordinary images we're seeing there. Those ice agents and military fatigues arriving at the high school were there to apprehend students,
Starting point is 00:15:18 teachers, who were they after there? So, according to the Department of Homeland Security, they were actually trying to, Tapparend a U.S. citizen who they said took them on a five-mile chase that ended at the school. So they say that when they went to go approach that citizen at a time that happened to coincide with when dismissals were taking place, it led to the scene that you see now. Teachers getting involved, a student sort of getting involved caught in the fray, at least one instance of crowd control measures being used. Again, the department has emphasized that they typically do not try to enter schools.
Starting point is 00:15:54 they don't conduct rate at schools, but they have also said that if there is a citizen that flees to a school or an attempt to use a school to avert being detained, they will go forward and try to continue to detain that person, even if it is nearby a school. So again, they weren't actively chasing students or a teacher, but during this class, at least one educator ended up being arrested. And that's now reporter. Nambi, Ghan, we're reporting live from Minneapolis. Nambi, thanks so much. We appreciate it. Mika. Well, the editors of the National Review have a new piece entitled The Minnesota Tragedy, which reads in part, for its part, the Trump administration, hasn't been content to simply say that the ICE officer feared for his life and acted in self-defense. Instead, they have called the incident domestic terrorism and suggested Renee Good deliberately tried to run down the officer, which seems to be contradicted by the video evidence.
Starting point is 00:16:51 ICE's mission is an important one. It deserves a serious, factual defense, and shouldn't be a platform for Christy Knoem to constantly perform for the cameras. The Wall Street Journal editorial board, meanwhile, has a new piece titled The ICE Shooting in Minneapolis, which reads in part the heated way Mr. Trump has gone about his mass deportation policy and the equally heated way that the left has opposed it. made a violent collision inevitable. If Democrats are wise, they'll calm the furies and caution against obstructing ICE agents who have the legal right to enforce immigration law. As for Mr. Trump, violent episodes like this aren't going to help him or his party in November. His mass deportation policy is already unpopular and will become more so if there are more such violent incidents. He'd also be wise to calm the furies, but we say this knowing how unlikely that is.
Starting point is 00:17:58 So a couple of things here. You do see a growing effort that's amplified by Trump supporting TV hosts, which I had the displeasure of watching yesterday, blaming protesters. And I see this building now. There's this sort of attempt to sort of turn this around. This isn't the ICE agents. They're just people trying to do their job, which they are.
Starting point is 00:18:26 Being put in a terrible position by President Trump, his Department of Homeland Security, they are being put in a terrible position. They are armed. They are dressed like they're going to war. And being put in urban communities. And it's a surprise that people are scared, that people are using their rights of free speech, that people are videotaping what is happening to their friends, their neighbors, their workers who are being taken away often in violent ways, in frightening ways.
Starting point is 00:19:02 And I worry Jay Johnson that this is, again, Trump's talent of turning things. I mean, he was able to get enough Republicans to stand down on pardoning the right. rioters at January 6th. I mean, they're not even talking. Some Republicans act like it never happened to go, oh my gosh. You know, just forget about it. That happened already. Many of whom reportedly have committed crimes subsequent to January 6th. Mika, when I was Secretary of DHS, I used to tell ICE leadership, prioritize the bad guys. And this administration seemed to start off doing that. Prioritized the bad guys for enforcement. And when you're out on the streets, in urban areas like Minneapolis, use your common sense.
Starting point is 00:19:55 One notorious incident can derail the entire mission in a community like this. One unlawful shooting, one arrest of someone on a church steps showing up at a school, scaring the children at a school, can derail the entire mission. I also worry about the type of people that are being recruited now for ICE. The recruitment rhetoric is defend your culture. What does that mean? I think that's a dog whistle, basically, for let's go after the Great Replacement. If you're Mexican-American, for example, in South Texas,
Starting point is 00:20:35 interested in enforcing the law, defend your culture is not a message for you. If you're a Muslim American in Michigan or Minneapolis interested in enforcing the law, going into law enforcement, defend your culture is not a message for such person. that basically you need not apply. And so I do worry about the people we are recruiting for this very sensitive, delicate mission.
Starting point is 00:20:56 And again, tactics in de-escalation are so important, whether it's the ICE or New York City police or whatever. On the idea of de-escalation, Mr. Secretary, I'd argue that what the vice president did yesterday was escalate. You know, that rhetoric from the White House podium, and this is from JD Vance,
Starting point is 00:21:12 who's been a little less visible of late because of the focus on Venezuela, He's much of foreign isolation. There's been speculation about his standing right now. But he went front and center yesterday and defended this, said that the ICE agent should be going door to door, which is with new rhetoric from him yesterday as to what they'd be doing going forward.
Starting point is 00:21:31 And I think my question to you is, at a moment with Minneapolis in particular is a city that's been a powder cake for years now. But, you know, we're seeing incidents in other cities as well, significant protests. What are your fears that tensions are just so high right now another incident could happen, whether it's instigated by an ice agent or a protester? Hi.
Starting point is 00:21:52 My concern is high right now. The litmus test for our elected leaders in a moment like this is, are you amping it up in your rhetoric or are you trying to tamp it down? Are you trying, for example, Spencer Cox, governor of Utah after the assassination of Charlie Kirk there? Are you trying to calm people's fears down? Are you simply playing to your base and trying to amp it up? And I'm afraid there are too many in the latter category right now. Yeah, Willie. David Rode, we heard the vice president yesterday say time and time again that Renee Good rammed or attempted to ram or drove her car into this agent who ultimately shot and killed her.
Starting point is 00:22:31 We obviously don't see that in the available video that we've all watched now for almost 48 hours. As we said yesterday, we want the full context. We want to know what happened in the moments, the minutes, maybe the hours before that. Have you as a reporter seen any video? Have you heard any eyewitness account that supports the argument, which is core to this from what the administration is saying, that Renee Good used her car as a weapon, drove her car at the agent, therefore he was justified in self-defense. I, and I'm not as much of an excerpt as Jay on this. I have not seen evidence or videos that clearly showed what her intent was. I thought Jay's description of her panicking was very appropriate. And it's why, again, making so much of this investigation or as much of this investigation as possible, public is so key.
Starting point is 00:23:20 I hate to talk about this, but the autopsy, which shot killed her. There was apparently, you know, there's an initial shot. You could see it through the windshield there, but shots through the passenger side window. Yeah. Clearly the person firing through the passenger side window is not about to be hit by the car. So these are huge questions. And just more broadly, I just want to point out, President Trump and Stephen Miller have set a quota that these ICE agents are constantly pushed to meet.
Starting point is 00:23:47 This is not searching out the worst of the worst. They wanted to deport a million people. They've gotten hundreds of thousands instead, but there's enormous pressure on these ICE officers to just hunt down people in city after city and hit this quota. And that, again, that's not leading to fact-based, fair law enforcement operations, and it's just putting enormous pressure on these ICE officers. Now, there's definitely a lot of questions that need to be answered by an extended investigation that's now being held off by the state.
Starting point is 00:24:19 I think the state's going to push back and try and get in there, as they should. But those two shots through the side of the window will definitely be, it'll be very interesting to see which ones actually killed the victim in this case. also the first ice agent moving quickly toward the car might have caused the panic. Again, all questions. And the vice president has helped with the investigation in one way, pointing out that this shooter, the ice agent in this case, was apparently extremely sensitive, a victim of trauma. And so you wonder about not just the training, but the regulations about putting ice agents in the field who are suffering from trauma.
Starting point is 00:25:06 sounds like a very bad decision. Still ahead on morning, Joe, President Trump says he's canceled a second wave of attacks on Venezuela. We'll show you those new comments and what he's saying about the future of the South American country. Plus, Democratic Congressman Richie Torres joins us to preview new legislation that would ban lawmakers from betting on political prediction markets. This, after one mystery trader, made $400,000 placing a wager on Nicola. Majero's downfall. You're watching Morning Joe. We'll be right back.
Starting point is 00:25:54 Nearly one week now after the capture and arrest of Venezuela's former leader, President Trump this morning is touting the cooperation, as he calls it, between the United States and that South American country. The president's citing Venezuela's release of political prisoners as a sign the country is
Starting point is 00:26:10 seeking peace, adding that he, quote, canceled the previously expected second wave of attacks, which he says, quote, looks like like will not be needed. Meanwhile, President Trump telling Fox News last night, he will meet with Nobel Peace Prize winner and Venezuelan opposition leader Maria Corina Machado next week. Trump previously said it would be tough for Machado, who won the opposition primary two years ago before being barred from the general election to assume the role of leader because she does not have
Starting point is 00:26:40 what he called respect within the country. During last night's interview, the president also threatened land strikes on drug cartels inside of Mexico. We've knocked out 97% of the drugs coming in by water, and we are going to start now hitting land with regard to the cartels. The cartels are running Mexico. It's very, very sad to watch and see what's happened to that country, but the cartels are running,
Starting point is 00:27:08 and they're killing 250,000, 300,000 people in our country every single year, the drugs. It's horrible. We'll be running the oil. We're meeting tomorrow with all of the big oil executives. We're going to be right here in the White House. We're going to meet with the biggest oil people in the world. They're all coming here.
Starting point is 00:27:25 The top 14 companies are coming here. They're going to go in. They're going to rebuild the whole oil infrastructure. They're going to spend at least $100 billion. And it's an unbelievable oil that they have and an unbelievable quality of oil and amount of oil. So David Rode, you are writing about this. this this morning, this idea, this plan for the oil to have the American oil companies who the president will meet with today, the heads of those companies, as he said there in that interview,
Starting point is 00:27:54 they will spend a lot of money to go in to take out the oil. This, of course, is a multi-year project. And as you're reporting this morning, not all the oil companies are that excited about spending tens of billions of dollars to bring oil down to $50 a barrel. Yeah, this is a sort of extraordinary example of the President of the United States sort of telling private companies what to do. Venezuela does have the largest oil reserves in the world, but it's heavy crude. And over the last more than decade, the equipment to get it out of the ground has just weathered there and is in terrible shape. So right now, Venezuela provides only 1% of the world's oil supply, 1%. At best, if these companies go in and spend this money that the president is sort of telling them to do,
Starting point is 00:28:40 it will increase to 2%. That is not going to dramatically bring down energy prices worldwide. So the president's whole narrative here is essentially false. And I talked to oil experts about this, and they say it will take 10 years and at least $60 billion of investment to start producing enough oil that has a major impact beyond 2% of the global supply. And again, this is sort of just an extraordinary example
Starting point is 00:29:06 of a Republican president pressuring private company, to go in a country that, and actually one key thing for the companies is that it's not secure yet. In Iraq, where it took years to restore the oil industry there, there were U.S. troops on the ground. There's no security guarantees for there's companies. There's no elections. There's no stable government. So it's a huge risk for these companies. And again, the government telling private industry what to do. It's in what may be a very bad move for these companies economically. So Jay Johnson, I was about to ask you how this happens without troops on the ground, but why don't I pepper this question with a little reporting on Donald Trump's wide-ranging
Starting point is 00:29:52 interview with the New York Times. Trump was asked this week whether he felt there were any limits to his global powers. Trump told the group of reporters, quote, yeah, there's one thing. My own morality, my own mind. It's the only thing that can start. stop me. He added, I don't need international law, not looking to hurt people. When pressed further about whether his administration needed to abide by international law, Trump said, I do. But he made clear he would be the arbiter when such constraints applied to the United States. He said, quote, it depends what your definition of international law is. In that, we heard the president talking about the oil companies going into Venezuela and getting the oil, beautiful oil.
Starting point is 00:30:43 And I'm just wondering how that happens without troops on the ground and massive complications. Good question. Unless these oil companies plan to hire massive security firms to go in and protect what they need to do, Venezuela believes that they've nationalized the oil there. And so it's hard to imagine how a private company can just simply march in to this very large country and start exploring for oil, taking oil, if there's no popular will to do that in the country. By the way, the president's view of international law, that's the cynics view that basically those that have the biggest guns make the rules. And so I'm not sure the president fully understands international law. There was no real international legal basis for going into Venezuela in the first place without a UN Security
Starting point is 00:31:40 Council resolution. And so he's getting way out ahead of himself in this. I'd be interested to hear, David, what the CEOs of all these oil companies think are what they're planning to do. They haven't talked publicly at this point because I think they're afraid. The president has used leverage. He used it against universities. He used it against law firms. He can take away tax breaks, he can pressure them to do things. And just back to the big guns, having all of the ships present and all these troops cost taxpayers money. The American public is paid, whether it's troops on the ground or troops in the region,
Starting point is 00:32:18 taxpayers are funding this entire Trump administration effort in Venezuela. Mike Barnacle said he spoke to a former military official who said that just the operation itself costs anywhere to get Maduro, costs anywhere that one night from 500. million to a billion dollars. So this is not free to American tax base. It's cost, but also there's a political cost. Even some Republicans and even some of the Maga right who oppose, on principle, some of this international adventurism have gotten behind the president and said, oh, good, let's do Venezuela. Let's get rid of Maduro. But if suddenly there's going to be actual boots on the ground, a lengthy operation, that is going to be very different for him to
Starting point is 00:32:58 sell. I think you'll see more pushback. We did. We'll get into it a little later. Some Republicans in the Hill did defy. President Trump yesterday. On the war powers resolution, we'll talk about that in a moment. But, you know, I think there would be more and more willingness to do that. It's very hard to sell the American people, red state or blue, for a continued American military presence far from home like that. All right.
Starting point is 00:33:20 Former Homeland Security Secretary Jay Johnson and MS now senior national security reporter David Rode, thank you both very much for coming in this morning. And coming up, the latest from Capitol Hill on the fight to restore. health care subsidies for millions of Americans. Morning Joe is coming right back. The Senate has voted to advance a resolution designed to prevent further strikes in Venezuela without congressional authorizations. Five Republicans crossed the aisle to vote with Democrats, specifically Susan Collins of Maine.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Josh Holly of Missouri, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, Rand Paul of Kentucky, and Todd Young of Indiana. Now, the final tally, 52 to 47. President Trump harshly criticized those five Republicans on social media writing. They should never be elected to office again, and that their vote greatly hampers American self-defense and national security. Joining us now, MS now Senior Capitol Hill Reporter and the host of way too early, Ali Vitale,
Starting point is 00:34:42 as well as Democratic Congressman Richie Torres of New York. Ali, I'll just start with you. give us the background on this vote, those who voted for this. But also, I'm interested in some of the Republicans who voted against this. Yeah, I do think some interesting dynamics were teased out on the Hill yesterday, Mika, yes, on this war powers resolution vote, but then also when the House took up the ACA subsidy discharge petition that would reinstate the lapsed subsidies that we know expired at the end of the year. It's a long shot. Those are not back in effect yet. But I think the larger thread through Capitol Hill yesterday was all of these were results of Trump's own actions,
Starting point is 00:35:27 kind of forcing members of his own party to rebuke him quite publicly on a number of different issues. When you look at the War Powers resolution piece, you know, I had talked to Senator Tim Kane on Sunday night in the immediate aftermath of the Venezuela action to oust Maduro. And he said that this resolution, which he put up in very similar fashion at the end of last year, failed because Republicans privately told him they didn't think that the Trump administration had crossed any lines yet. He kind of wondered openly and optimistically if that might change vote totals now. He ended up being right. And I think it's really interesting when you look at the way some of these Republicans are explaining their votes, they were basically saying that Trump's comments to the New York
Starting point is 00:36:04 Times where he left open the possibility that this could be a protracted engagement on the ground in Venezuela. That made them feel compelled to sort of hem him in a little bit. And then, of course, when you bring in the fact that he's saying they should never be elected again. Susan Collins is one of those Republicans who voted in favor of this resolution. She is in a very contested battle to keep her Senate seat in Maine. It's a top target for Democrats on a map that is actually quite tough for them to flip some of these seats. And she basically openly wondered, okay, maybe he would rather work with Democratic Governor Janet Mills, who he has even less in common with politically. And so again, Trump's sort of forcing the issue on, that could eventually,
Starting point is 00:36:44 worked his own detriment. And Congressman, when I factor in the way that the House then voted on the ACA, 17 Republicans, and if I look at the list, many of them are in districts that Democrats are targeting to flip in the midterms, do they feel that Trump is putting them in this position where they have to openly buck their own leadership, yes, but then also buck the White House on an issue of health care where he really muddied the waters on any kind of a negotiation that they were trying to do? Is this the start of something, or do you think it's just moments in time and not indicative of a trend. Hard to know for sure, but what we do know is the authoritarianism of Trump is as much a function
Starting point is 00:37:18 of congressional capitulation from the Republicans as it is of Donald Trump himself. But I would give the credits to Democrats for forcing the hand of Republicans. I mean, the American people saw a clear contrast between the two parties on the issue of affordability. Every single House Democrat voted to lower cost for 22 million Americans, whereas nearly every Republican voted against it. And one of the ironies here is that the majority of those tax credits go to voters and constituents in red states that voted for Donald Trump. So Republicans and Donald Trump are effectively betraying their own voters. Congressman, good morning. I want to ask you about the story we've been talking about for the last
Starting point is 00:38:00 couple of days, updates this morning about the shooting by an ICE agent, the fatal shooting of Renee Good in Minneapolis about 48 hours ago. As this has gone on, and we heard from the Vice President of the United States yesterday saying that she effectively brought this on herself, the victim of this shooting, by being part of what he called a broader left-wing network, didn't provide any evidence that she's a part of some network like that. I'm just curious, first about the incident itself, what you see in that video, but also importantly about the response from this administration and the FBI kind of saying, we're not going to cooperate with state and local investigators on this. We've got it. I mean, for me, it's nothing short of a
Starting point is 00:38:43 scandal and it's a reminder that brutality is not a bug but a feature of Donald Trump's presidency. You know, Donald Trump and the vice president are blatantly lying to the American people, claiming that the shooting victim, Renee, was attempting to ram the police officer. The video clearly shows that she was driving away from the officer, not toward him. The officer was to the right of the vehicle. The wheels were turning to the right. the officer was to the left. And so they're just plainly lying about the basic facts regarding the shooting. For me, it was much closer to murder than it was to anything resembling self-defense.
Starting point is 00:39:26 And you have some back to Venezuela for a moment, Congressman, this legislation that you put out, which I think most people don't realize was out there. It's on these markets where people, anyone can bet effectively on political outcomes or in this case, the capture and ousting of Nicholas Maduro. Can you explain, first of all, the story that kind of prompted this, which is that somebody made a lot of money on the fact that he was ousted and what your legislation aims to achieve? One anonymous trader using a brand new account on Polly Market pocketed more than $400,000 betting on the fall of Nicholas Maduro.
Starting point is 00:40:06 And keep in mind, the bet was made hours before the actual event. and the fact the trader could have been a government insider. And so there's real concern that there are people within the government who are placing bets on their own decision making. You know, imagine for a moment if you were a member of the Trump administration and you placed a bet predicting a future event like the capture of Nicholas Maduro. If you're both a government insider and a participant in the prediction markets, you now have a perverse incentive to push for policies that personally benefit you. And that kind of
Starting point is 00:40:45 prediction market profiteering among public officials has no place in the ranks of the federal government. Democratic Congressman Richie Torres of New York, thank you very much. And MS now, Senior Capitol Hill reporter Ali Vitale, thank you as well. And still ahead on morning, Joe. Excitement in Miami with the you coming home trying for a national title. We'll bring the highlights from last night's massive win over Ole Miss. Morning Joe will be right back. Three receivers, blocks to the left. Beck is looking that way.
Starting point is 00:41:42 Miami quarterback Carson Beck, capping a 15-place, 75-yard drive with that scramble for the go-ahead touchdown with 18 seconds left, the game winner. And last night's college football playoff semifinal against six-seated Ole Miss. Great back-and-forth game. The best season in Rebels history ends. On a heave to the end zone that falls incomplete as time expires, they had a shot. The 10th seated hurricanes, a 31-27 win and a shot at a national title back on their home field at Hard Rock Stadium in Miami.
Starting point is 00:42:18 The Keynes will play for the championships against the winner of tonight's semifinal between No. 5 Oregon and top-seated Indiana. Jonathan Lemire, great back-and-forth game last night. It's official now. Miami is back after a long. long time. Those of us who grew up in the 90s, Miami was a powerhouse. They came back a little about a decade later, but now with their head coach Mario Cristobal, who played there in those glory days. He's got him back and playing on their home field for a national championship. The winner of that game tonight, Indiana, Oregon should be a great one, a rematch of an early season game where Indiana went to Eugene and won a close game. So another good one coming tonight,
Starting point is 00:42:56 we hope. Yeah, congrats to Miami. First of all, we should probably do a wellness check on like Michael Irvin, see how he's doing. But yeah, absolutely. After they were such a dominant program in the 80s and 90s, really fell in the dark days. They are back. Fantastic game. Congrats also to Ole Miss. I think a lot of people around the country were rooting for them,
Starting point is 00:43:11 after the way Lane Kiffin, their coach, abandoned them. Heads to LSU. I think people were hoping to kind of stick it to him a little bit. If they were to make the finals, they fell just short. It was a great game. And you're certainly right. Tonight we have not only just Indiana, Oregon, but a battle between the two best quarterbacks in this upcoming draft class,
Starting point is 00:43:30 we believe. More and Mendoza, believed by some, it'd be the first and second overall picks in April. I think the New York Jets are going to be watching. The Raiders have the first pick. Should be a shootout, I would think. And it's a great story either way. Oregon, Willie, has been so close these last few years, almost there reaching the pinnacle. In Indiana, of course, as we've been talking about all week long, the turnaround of that program has made the last two years truly remarkable. Just stunning. They've been at the bottom of the Big Ten forever, and now an undefeated number one. one seat and as you said Mendoza the likely number one pick in the draft should be fun tonight coming

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